At our school the kids are doing better than kids in mainstream schools. We have the data to prove that. I only wish all my kids could have gone to charter schools. They would have been better off.
Special needs children need special needs school. I'm not saying all. There are kids that are special that are abls to thrive in "normal, schools but depemdent special needs children need more attention and need more time.
@@julz9378 example please. I've already witnessed a school that blends children with disabilities but not cognitive ones but they still need someone to drive their electric wheelchairs from classroom to classroom. I bet with the whole school closures from covid, it is better for them cause they dont have to roam around the hallways and elevators and they get to class on time which helps all the other students
maybe some charter schools aren't as good as others. I know the ones my kids go to are. teachers there have to have the same accreditation as public schools. and FYI the public school totally told me my boys would never learn anymore than they had at that point. There's your big lie. I believe in charter schools. my kids have done so much better at charter school than at public ones. Lets just agree to diagree.
look at the public schools districts and try to find out (public information) where the money is going. Youll find out that a single administrator of many at main office is making executive salary for no work. Look at how many assistants to the superintendent there are. find out how many supervisors or managers there are doing the same exact work, with long long breaks and other perks. Look at the unions as well and youll know that money assigned to public schools is not been used accordingly.
From these comments it seems that Charter Schools have one crucial element that Public Schools lack - they can screen their incoming members. Public Schools have no screening process to get it (which is what makes them like Prison). Does this mean that Charter School students generally behave better than Public School students? Is there a charter school where the students are as bad as those at Strawberry Mansion? ua-cam.com/video/I9gT_Nc41s4/v-deo.html Is there a charter school where the students are as bad as those at the Chicago Vocational Services Academy? ua-cam.com/video/kWfuDLVwawM/v-deo.html As an aspiring teacher, I see lots of job openings for Charter Schools.
maybe some charter schools aren't as good as others. I know the ones my kids go to are. teachers there have to have the same accreditation as public schools. and FYI the public school totally told me my boys would never learn anymore than they had at that point. There's your big lie. I believe in charter schools. my kids have done so much better at charter school than at public ones. Lets just agree to diagree.
The charter school by my house disrespects others property. One of their dumb kids left death threats on a friend's door. Their highschool also received an F rating, and it's taught by a bunch of moms with no teaching experience/experience with the disabled.
As the description below the video says, there are some bad charter schools. But defending the concept of school choice doesn't mean you have to defend every single school -- any more than believing in restaurant choice means you have to defend every single restaurant. And sometimes, parents enroll kids in a bad charter school for a very easy to understand reason -- the traditional public school is actually worse.
Thats charter schools for you. They never make any reports or suspend any kids and then they get to tout their "clean" record around like they're actually making a difference
A lot of the information here is presented as all encompassing with no gray areas. There are wonderful public schools all across the country and horrible charter schools and vice versa. When they say “public schools” the connotation is inner city schools full of crimes and poverty. A lot of public schools are in high achieving suburbs, but we always tend to focus on the bad inner city schools. That has nothing to do with public vs charter but more to do with environment/culture. A lot of parents are lazy and not proactive with their children’s education, especially in the inner city. Then it creates a chain affect. Nobody wants to be there, good teachers don’t want to work there, etc.
were i live public education is not valued by the gov. the gov. has let our 2 public schools practically fall apart. The amount of kids that go to college after graduation if 30% in the public school system. The curriculum is outdated, there has been several controversy involving some of the teachers, no to mention a sex scandal, it's overall deplorable. My niece started going to a new charter school that opened and now she actually enjoys getting an education she's learning things from her actual teachers not just on her own anymore and she's being exposed to other things that just werent at her other school llike art and music. To anyone that looks down on someone that chooses to send their child to a charter school to give them a better education and more opportunity because their politics causes them to disagree, you must not have your intentions centered around the children. Children should have a decent education in decent facilities with good teachers. if the state cant provide that with their public school, then people are going to find a better option. I would never tell my child, tough it out because we need to support our public school even if its being neglected because of my political beliefs. I live in a rural part of Louisiana were we have some of the worst public schools systems in the country, thank god for charter schools because now I know my little niece is going to have a chance in life. I just dont understand how people could be against that.
What a load of baloney from these guys. Charters are nonprofit, but their governing board can subcontract the management of the school to a for-profit EMO. This effectively turns them into for-profit organizations. Are all charters out for money? no, there are some (few, actually) honest, high-achieving charters, but exemplars, by definition are the exception, and they are not representative of the larger and low achieving experience of charter schooling. These are not myths, they are facts. Stop denying the evidence!
Sergio Martinez Someone here should stop denying the evidence; the question is who. Evidence like this: www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/education/79733-stanfords-credo-philly-charter-schools-especially-beneficial-for-low-income-minorities Evidence like the parents of the 67,000 children in Philadelphia charter schools today. Evidence like the parents of another 40,000 children on Philadelphia charter school waiting lists. "Low achieving experience of charter schooling"? Know much about the Philly district schools, the ones that are not selective admission? Know any parents clamoring to get their kids into those schools? We've heard enough from tenured teacher crowd with guaranteed jobs for life who'll say anything to trash the charters. Your only hope is to stop the growth of charter school seats. Why? Because there's no sense trying to convince parents to keep their kids in dysfunctional district schools. You've essentially conceded what we all already know -- given the chance those parents will flee the "neighborhood" schools in a nanosecond. That's why your only play is a moratorium on the growth of the charter options.
Wow, I cannot believe how shamelessly these people try to lie to the public. As a public teacher, I have witnessed first hand how charter school have over the years taken nothing but our best students while turning their backs on the neediest population: Students with iep's and English language learners. Of course they don't want these students in their school so that people like these can fill their mouths and say "Want to see our data so that you can prove for yourself how well we're doing?" Over the past few years, I have gotten a few students that came from charter schools. These students scored at the lowest on state tests. How did they end up back in public schools? Could it be that these students were counceled out? If they're so great, why not turn these kids' scores around. I have had over the last 4 years students who are newly arrived to this country, have iep' or simply very low performing. I have convinced many of the parents to apply for various charter schools. The story was always the same. They didn't have room or they don't have the necessary accommodations for these students. Sometimes that parents would show me an essay prompt that the parents themselves had to compose. An essay that only parents with higher education could complete. Talk about filtering out unwanted "guests." Do me a favor, teach the same populations that we teach, open your doors to all students, then you can stake your claim. Stop lying to the public.
Perhaps if the districts school teachers weren't tenured, they would be able to fire teachers who didn't understand the difference between counseled and "counceled." If Philadelphia simply became like New Orleans, 100% charter schools, your cry for an even playing field would be fulfilled, and the claim that charter schools cherry pick the best students would be impossible to argue. Then, presumably, we'd both be happy.
Another couple of idiots who have tasted the kool aid. Won't even waste my time talking to ignorants as yourselves. Unless you've walked in our shoes you really have no idea what the hell you're talking about, hence the term "ignorant."
Joe Al By "our shoes," not really sure who you mean. Families of the 67,000 Philadelphia kids who've already voluntarily chosen charter schools? No, I don't think you mean them. Families of the 40,000 kids on charter school waiting lists? No, I don't think you mean them either. I think by "our," you probably just mean the group of other unionized teachers who also want guaranteed jobs for life, regardless of whether parents like the job you're all doing -- or would rather flee to charter schools if they had the chance.
40,000? You must be on crack if you think that even if charter schools had room for all those students they would take them with open arms. Only a fraction of those students will actually meet their criteria. I have 5 students in my class who are probably in need of an evaluation, have very short retention and obviously are very low performing. Do you actually think, in your ignorant little mind that if these students are part of those so called "40,000+" students, they would have a chance in hell in getting into these charter schools over those that are on grade level? Wake up, they don't WANT these students. They don't want students that are low performing or behavioral unstable. They don't want English Language Learners. These students would bring their scores down. I'm not against charter schools. If they can teach let them teach. But teach all students not just the preferred few. You think you're advocating for all kids? If you really want to advocate for all children then educate yourself about the entry applications these students are required to complete and then speak to me. My school has 40 percent of students with iep's. Do you really if charter schools wanted them they wouldn't have taken quite a few of them already? I swear some people just like talking out of their ass without really knowing what the hell they're talking about. This video is just propaganda to try to hide the truth. They're lying to you and like an idiot your taking it all in. Do you actually think they would come and tell you, "Oh yeah, we have very strict applications. We need to make sure that our students are approaching or are on grade level, that their parents have some education and that they're involved." You're an idiot.
Joe Al Here's the flaw in the charter hating argument that you proffer: You guys always claim the charters won't want these kids, or won't want those kids... and yet in almost every major city, the charter segment continues to grow and grow. It's now almost half the kids in Washington DC (44%); are all those kids elites? More than half the enrollment in Detroit is charters. Just geniuses? And now 100% of public school students in New Orleans go to charter schools. Have they banished all special needs kids from the city? Is that your argument? So if Philadelphia charter enrollment went to 100%, just like New Orleans, would you be finally happy, freed of your concerns about charters cherry-picking? Or would you still oppose charters, because for you, it's really just about protecting jobs in the district and the argument of "they don't want these students" is simply sophistry to support that?
I don't really understand the concept of charter schools. In the suburbs of America, the public schools work fine. Why couldn't the public schools work fine in the inner city? I tell you why. Because schools are a reflection of the people that attend them. It is NOT the schools that are making the children wild and crazy. It is the actually people that attend them that makes the school crazy. Why couldn't the same kids who transferred to charter schools just sit in class, shut their mouths, listened to the teacher and behave themselves when they were in public schools? Public schools aren't inherently bad. It's just that the people (i.e. the parents) in the inner cities are once again doing what they always do when something isn't working--they blame the institution instead of blaming themselves for being failures as parents. How come when they put their child in charter schools, they all of a sudden want to do the right thing--like visit their teacher, check their homework, etc. Why didn't they do these things while their child went to public school. For decades, public school teachers have been screaming from the rooftops to get parents more involved, but instead the parents just sit on their ass and blame teachers or schools for their problems. Charter schools isn't a growth out of the failure of the public school system. It is a result of the failure of parents to be actively involved in their children's lives when they were attending public schools. I'm sure areas where parents are involve don't have charter schools popping up all over the place. Their public schools seem to be doing just fine.
teachers in public schools need to stop treating kids like it's their fault because the teacher was bullied by a certain race or wasn't popular enough to hang out with the cool kids. Public school teachers are more lazy and more racists than ever... fuck a teacher who cry' s about their pay! That's the life you chose dumb Ass. What happened when teachers used to say, I want to make a difference in a child's life???
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CHARTER SCHOOLS? WORK MORE HOURS FOR LESS MONE, TEACHERS HAVE NOT UNION, NOT RIGHTS, RAINS OF BS FROM THE BOSSES AND PARENTS.
Glad to see charter schools are helping so much. Thank you!
At our school the kids are doing better than kids in mainstream schools. We have the data to prove that. I only wish all my kids could have gone to charter schools. They would have been better off.
belgium has one of the best schools in the world; belgium has a voucher system, enough said
Special needs children need special needs school. I'm not saying all. There are kids that are special that are abls to thrive in "normal, schools but depemdent special needs children need more attention and need more time.
the parents of 'special needs' children need to get slapped in the face
not always…
@@julz9378 example please. I've already witnessed a school that blends children with disabilities but not cognitive ones but they still need someone to drive their electric wheelchairs from classroom to classroom. I bet with the whole school closures from covid, it is better for them cause they dont have to roam around the hallways and elevators and they get to class on time which helps all the other students
maybe some charter schools aren't as good as others. I know the ones my kids go to are. teachers there have to have the same accreditation as public schools. and FYI the public school totally told me my boys would never learn anymore than they had at that point. There's your big lie. I believe in charter schools. my kids have done so much better at charter school than at public ones. Lets just agree to diagree.
Trying to research both sides with an open mind. Thank you for making this video.
Me too, lol!
look at the public schools districts and try to find out (public information) where the money is going. Youll find out that a single administrator of many at main office is making executive salary for no work. Look at how many assistants to the superintendent there are. find out how many supervisors or managers there are doing the same exact work, with long long breaks and other perks. Look at the unions as well and youll know that money assigned to public schools is not been used accordingly.
Just count all the Mercedes and Beamers in a school parking lot. They all belong to administrators feeding at the trough.
From these comments it seems that Charter Schools have one crucial element that Public Schools lack - they can screen their incoming members. Public Schools have no screening process to get it (which is what makes them like Prison).
Does this mean that Charter School students generally behave better than Public School students? Is there a charter school where the students are as bad as those at Strawberry Mansion?
ua-cam.com/video/I9gT_Nc41s4/v-deo.html
Is there a charter school where the students are as bad as those at the Chicago Vocational Services Academy?
ua-cam.com/video/kWfuDLVwawM/v-deo.html
As an aspiring teacher, I see lots of job openings for Charter Schools.
So parents have a choice???
maybe some charter schools aren't as good as others. I know the ones my kids go to are. teachers there have to have the same accreditation as public schools. and FYI the public school totally told me my boys would never learn anymore than they had at that point. There's your big lie. I believe in charter schools. my kids have done so much better at charter school than at public ones. Lets just agree to diagree.
The charter school by my house disrespects others property. One of their dumb kids left death threats on a friend's door. Their highschool also received an F rating, and it's taught by a bunch of moms with no teaching experience/experience with the disabled.
As the description below the video says, there are some bad charter schools. But defending the concept of school choice doesn't mean you have to defend every single school -- any more than believing in restaurant choice means you have to defend every single restaurant. And sometimes, parents enroll kids in a bad charter school for a very easy to understand reason -- the traditional public school is actually worse.
Thats charter schools for you. They never make any reports or suspend any kids and then they get to tout their "clean" record around like they're actually making a difference
So one incidence implicates all? Shall we do the same with crappy public schools. There are good and bad in both.
But who pays the district
In no other realm have unions hurt this country more than education. They must be dismantled for the sake of our children and our future.
A lot of the information here is presented as all encompassing with no gray areas. There are wonderful public schools all across the country and horrible charter schools and vice versa. When they say “public schools” the connotation is inner city schools full of crimes and poverty. A lot of public schools are in high achieving suburbs, but we always tend to focus on the bad inner city schools. That has nothing to do with public vs charter but more to do with environment/culture. A lot of parents are lazy and not proactive with their children’s education, especially in the inner city. Then it creates a chain affect. Nobody wants to be there, good teachers don’t want to work there, etc.
on #2: Is that rebuttal a common trend or a rare exception? This didn't get addressed very well IMHO.
School district where I live has a superintend, two principals. Total number of students:400. Very top heavy.
were i live public education is not valued by the gov. the gov. has let our 2 public schools practically fall apart. The amount of kids that go to college after graduation if 30% in the public school system. The curriculum is outdated, there has been several controversy involving some of the teachers, no to mention a sex scandal, it's overall deplorable. My niece started going to a new charter school that opened and now she actually enjoys getting an education she's learning things from her actual teachers not just on her own anymore and she's being exposed to other things that just werent at her other school llike art and music. To anyone that looks down on someone that chooses to send their child to a charter school to give them a better education and more opportunity because their politics causes them to disagree, you must not have your intentions centered around the children. Children should have a decent education in decent facilities with good teachers. if the state cant provide that with their public school, then people are going to find a better option. I would never tell my child, tough it out because we need to support our public school even if its being neglected because of my political beliefs. I live in a rural part of Louisiana were we have some of the worst public schools systems in the country, thank god for charter schools because now I know my little niece is going to have a chance in life. I just dont understand how people could be against that.
where?
Well done.
Great video. I highly recommend Thomas Sowell's "Charter Schools and Their Enemies"
keep doing a good job
Thank you!
wow really did you even read his name it said the troll god woooooow halrious
XxBLAZERHUNTER
Let me guess....
Based on your grammar and spelling, I'm guessing you're a tenured teacher in Philadelphia.
first im not a teacher second you can tell by my name and profile picture third why am i wasting my life on you
XxBLAZERHUNTER I'll admit, you've convinced me regarding the "wasting" your life. That part does seem inarguable.
What a load of baloney from these guys. Charters are nonprofit, but their governing board can subcontract the management of the school to a for-profit EMO. This effectively turns them into for-profit organizations. Are all charters out for money? no, there are some (few, actually) honest, high-achieving charters, but exemplars, by definition are the exception, and they are not representative of the larger and low achieving experience of charter schooling. These are not myths, they are facts. Stop denying the evidence!
Sergio Martinez Someone here should stop denying the evidence; the question is who.
Evidence like this:
www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/education/79733-stanfords-credo-philly-charter-schools-especially-beneficial-for-low-income-minorities
Evidence like the parents of the 67,000 children in Philadelphia charter schools today.
Evidence like the parents of another 40,000 children on Philadelphia charter school waiting lists.
"Low achieving experience of charter schooling"? Know much about the Philly district schools, the ones that are not selective admission? Know any parents clamoring to get their kids into those schools?
We've heard enough from tenured teacher crowd with guaranteed jobs for life who'll say anything to trash the charters. Your only hope is to stop the growth of charter school seats. Why? Because there's no sense trying to convince parents to keep their kids in dysfunctional district schools. You've essentially conceded what we all already know -- given the chance those parents will flee the "neighborhood" schools in a nanosecond. That's why your only play is a moratorium on the growth of the charter options.
Well said Sergio!! Spot on!!
Wow, I cannot believe how shamelessly these people try to lie to the public. As a public teacher, I have witnessed first hand how charter school have over the years taken nothing but our best students while turning their backs on the neediest population: Students with iep's and English language learners. Of course they don't want these students in their school so that people like these can fill their mouths and say "Want to see our data so that you can prove for yourself how well we're doing?" Over the past few years, I have gotten a few students that came from charter schools. These students scored at the lowest on state tests. How did they end up back in public schools? Could it be that these students were counceled out? If they're so great, why not turn these kids' scores around. I have had over the last 4 years students who are newly arrived to this country, have iep' or simply very low performing. I have convinced many of the parents to apply for various charter schools. The story was always the same. They didn't have room or they don't have the necessary accommodations for these students. Sometimes that parents would show me an essay prompt that the parents themselves had to compose. An essay that only parents with higher education could complete. Talk about filtering out unwanted "guests." Do me a favor, teach the same populations that we teach, open your doors to all students, then you can stake your claim. Stop lying to the public.
Perhaps if the districts school teachers weren't tenured, they would be able to fire teachers who didn't understand the difference between counseled and "counceled."
If Philadelphia simply became like New Orleans, 100% charter schools, your cry for an even playing field would be fulfilled, and the claim that charter schools cherry pick the best students would be impossible to argue. Then, presumably, we'd both be happy.
Another couple of idiots who have tasted the kool aid. Won't even waste my time talking to ignorants as yourselves. Unless you've walked in our shoes you really have no idea what the hell you're talking about, hence the term "ignorant."
Joe Al
By "our shoes," not really sure who you mean. Families of the 67,000 Philadelphia kids who've already voluntarily chosen charter schools? No, I don't think you mean them. Families of the 40,000 kids on charter school waiting lists? No, I don't think you mean them either.
I think by "our," you probably just mean the group of other unionized teachers who also want guaranteed jobs for life, regardless of whether parents like the job you're all doing -- or would rather flee to charter schools if they had the chance.
40,000? You must be on crack if you think that even if charter schools had room for all those students they would take them with open arms. Only a fraction of those students will actually meet their criteria. I have 5 students in my class who are probably in need of an evaluation, have very short retention and obviously are very low performing. Do you actually think, in your ignorant little mind that if these students are part of those so called "40,000+" students, they would have a chance in hell in getting into these charter schools over those that are on grade level? Wake up, they don't WANT these students. They don't want students that are low performing or behavioral unstable. They don't want English Language Learners. These students would bring their scores down. I'm not against charter schools. If they can teach let them teach. But teach all students not just the preferred few. You think you're advocating for all kids? If you really want to advocate for all children then educate yourself about the entry applications these students are required to complete and then speak to me. My school has 40 percent of students with iep's. Do you really if charter schools wanted them they wouldn't have taken quite a few of them already? I swear some people just like talking out of their ass without really knowing what the hell they're talking about. This video is just propaganda to try to hide the truth. They're lying to you and like an idiot your taking it all in. Do you actually think they would come and tell you, "Oh yeah, we have very strict applications. We need to make sure that our students are approaching or are on grade level, that their parents have some education and that they're involved." You're an idiot.
Joe Al
Here's the flaw in the charter hating argument that you proffer: You guys always claim the charters won't want these kids, or won't want those kids... and yet in almost every major city, the charter segment continues to grow and grow. It's now almost half the kids in Washington DC (44%); are all those kids elites? More than half the enrollment in Detroit is charters. Just geniuses?
And now 100% of public school students in New Orleans go to charter schools. Have they banished all special needs kids from the city? Is that your argument?
So if Philadelphia charter enrollment went to 100%, just like New Orleans, would you be finally happy, freed of your concerns about charters cherry-picking? Or would you still oppose charters, because for you, it's really just about protecting jobs in the district and the argument of "they don't want these students" is simply sophistry to support that?
I don't really understand the concept of charter schools. In the suburbs of America, the public schools work fine. Why couldn't the public schools work fine in the inner city? I tell you why. Because schools are a reflection of the people that attend them. It is NOT the schools that are making the children wild and crazy. It is the actually people that attend them that makes the school crazy. Why couldn't the same kids who transferred to charter schools just sit in class, shut their mouths, listened to the teacher and behave themselves when they were in public schools? Public schools aren't inherently bad. It's just that the people (i.e. the parents) in the inner cities are once again doing what they always do when something isn't working--they blame the institution instead of blaming themselves for being failures as parents. How come when they put their child in charter schools, they all of a sudden want to do the right thing--like visit their teacher, check their homework, etc. Why didn't they do these things while their child went to public school. For decades, public school teachers have been screaming from the rooftops to get parents more involved, but instead the parents just sit on their ass and blame teachers or schools for their problems. Charter schools isn't a growth out of the failure of the public school system. It is a result of the failure of parents to be actively involved in their children's lives when they were attending public schools. I'm sure areas where parents are involve don't have charter schools popping up all over the place. Their public schools seem to be doing just fine.
teachers in public schools need to stop treating kids like it's their fault because the teacher was bullied by a certain race or wasn't popular enough to hang out with the cool kids. Public school teachers are more lazy and more racists than ever... fuck a teacher who cry' s about their pay! That's the life you chose dumb Ass. What happened when teachers used to say, I want to make a difference in a child's life???