Just in case you’ve come back to watch older videos - Chance For Glory ended up seeing Standard play after this was made, and would not qualify anymore due to that.
Chance for Glory is a monster of a win-con in Boros commanders (like Aurelia the Warleader) who give you extra rounds of combat. I know some commander decks that can get three or four rounds of combat off on a single turn. Now double that...
Wouldn't chance for glory also work in decks such as anything with platinum angel or gideon of the trials type of effects where the you lose clause is simply dismissed (and just saved your platinum angel)
@@robspear03 It's only narrow when not coupled with other effects. Playing it by itself is usually a bad idea without lethal BUT having a trigger counter (There's currently three in standard meaning you can hose a control match up by simply negating the "You lose effect" at the end step while keeping a board of indestructible creatures)
"Time stream Navigator wouldn't be broken as a repeatable activated ability" Sure, let's just make a one card infinite turn combo. Are you saying that Ascend is enough of a requirement for that?
There is an infinite Combo with it: Planar Bridge, Timestream Navigator and something that gives haste, for example Samut. Then you take your Extra Turn, search it up again and do it as often as you Need to win if you have 12 or more mana
So would I because my Boros aggro deck has surprise killed my opponent in so many games with this card on the stack. It bitchslaps control when they try to boardwipe after they've taken a bunch of damage already. It is a mainboard, currently, in my Feather aggro deck and brother it wins games. About 15-20% of the time according to my last 10 games on Arena.
@@joshuaking7470 I actually ran a copy in my Boros deck for the final Ravnica event on MTGArena. Won me quite a few games just by giving me the extra turn I need to close out the game. Being 3 mana is really no joke honestly.
Chance for glory was a part of lich's mastery combo decks. If you had lich's mastery out, you could ignore the lose the game clause and get a 3 mana instant speed timewalk.
@@nicholas8739 I think the big thing you should consider is so? A 1/1 that wins you the game still wins you the game. And a 1/1 is about as easy to remove as a 2/2 or a 3/3, with most damage spells doing 3 damage. But again it doesn't matter as they would only have 1 turn to answer it before it wins the game. For 2 mana, worst case you trade 1/1. No the tucking clause for the navigator is essential, not including it would be a massive mistake and it's not even close
@@ashra8281 I'm not saying the tucking clause isn't essential...I'm just saying that it's very easy to remove when it requires ascend and another turn to activate. Altogether, it's easy to respond to. Not tucking would be a problem, but it wouldn't necessarily make it outstanding.
@Nicholas Stockero Yes, it absolutely would make it broken if it was a one card combo. Hermit Druid is banned in legacy and that is a two drop that is just as easy to remove. And while Hermit Druid is a lot better than a non-tucking Timestream Navigator, that would still leave it absolutely broken for standard.
I will contend, Chance for glory has won me about 3/4 of the games I've used it in. Combined with heroic reinforcements I don't think Chance deserved to be on this list.
Didn’t Chance for Glory actually make a few waves not long after it first came out in Gideon decks ? It was actually somewhat playable in red white decks that could get the “you can’t lose” clause. While it wasn’t top tier it was definitely playable.
@@robspear03 I mean, painter's servant is also bad outside of combo. It's a powerful, but specific effect. That just makes it a powerful but limited card. Not a bad card.
@@PocketHealer21 I also have these set up in a deck that was originally built around golem foundry, but now runs scepter to try and win with darksteel reactor. I run a similar setup in vorel the hull clad for edh.
I had a friend who ran both Luz Cannon and Magistrate's Scepter in a Kurkesh Scrap deck, if he could tutor up a Contagion Clasp or Engine, it was basically a formality before he trashed the board or took infinite turns. V spicy
Temporal Extortion definitely has increased value in Commander games. With long games and multiple opponents, the cost and downsides are somewhat mitigated. In the early game it can give you an edge when people don’t want to lose 15 or 20 life, and in the late game it can help you close gaps. Not a huge bump, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
Agreed. Casting it on turn 4-5 to basically help you ramp/draw a bit extra early is great, nobody is gonna take 20 that early in the game, especially when you aren't gonna win with it
Chance for Glory is pretty good in standard Boros/Naya hero/aggro, combined with Heroic Reinforcement it's a legit strategy, not meta but definitely not garbage ^^
Because ugin's nexus can proc on sac and its an artifact. Copy it, let one die to legemdary rule, sac the other, bam 2 turns. Can even pull it back with the new karn
Gonti's Aether Heart I feel like is one of those cards that for me embodies that disclaimer at the top of the video, that some of these cards have homes in EDH. In my Tawnos and Urza decks, because there's so many ways to both reduce artifact mana cost and create and copy artifacts, I can reliably drop GAH and have it fire off on the same turn, as well as recurring it back with Karn the Great Creator, but it's definitely very dependent on the way the deck has been built so I can understand why it's on this list.
@@brettbrooks2495 Maybe. I interpreted it as just a slip of the tongue. I too would mentally lump them together as counterspells and timewalks are both very heavily blue effects. from there its easy to just run my fingers along the old mental book shelf and grab the wrong one by mistake.
I think chance for glory is actually a very cool card. There are lots of times, especially in Commander, that you can garauntee a win for yourself with one turn. You can also get around "losing the game" Lich Mastery decks love this card. I think in time this card will show it's power. It's cheap enough to combine with sweep, and you can play stuff like seize the day on your extra turn. You can even use Sundail of the infinite to avoid losing if you fuck up. Situational, but it's very easy to control the situations the card is good, it's in colors that have no other access to this effect, and it's dirt cheap.
I mean, you could use a qualifier here. "Worst in limited" or "worst in Legacy" or something like that would probably be more accurate for many of these here.
my Boros Scepter Control would like to disagree on your statement about Chance for Glory; the card is busted in the deck that plays all the effects that say "you don't lose the game"
Once again: You have to build around the card for it to be good. If a card necessitates a build-around to be effective, or in the case of CfG to NOT DIE, it is not a good card. You can argue all you want, but it doesnt change the text box. You either have an enchantment in play or a 4/4 artifact creature or a 1cmc white instant that says "i cant lose the game". Now, with that extra turn, have you assemble yet another combo? A board of lethal attackers? Thats a dedication of one or more card slots that could have just been a Nexus, Temporal Trespass or Part the Waterveil. If it requires moving parts, its not efficient. Fun? Sure. But dont confuse "fun" with good.
@@robspear03 "Scepter Control" means it's playing Isochron Scepter, which it can use to lock the opponent in a loop of Chance for Glory, Final Fortune, Angel's Grace, Sundial of the Infinite and Gideon emblems.
Chantal Beck The argument that a card isn’t good if you need to build around it, is terrible. Here are a few cards you need to build around, tell me if they’re good or not; -Death’s Shadow -Tarmogoyf -Lantern of Insight -Grapeshot -Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis -Arclight Phoenix -Karn, the Great Creator -Vengevine -Bridge from Below -Living End -Thalia’s Lieutenant -The Tron lands -Mox Opal -Splinter Twin -Protean Hulk -Amulet of Vigor -Ad Nauseam -Summoner’s Pact -Candelabra of Tawnos -Scapeshift -Devoted Druid -Delver of Secrets I’ll leave it there. Clearly there are a lot of cards that are good despite requiring you to build around them. Also a lot of these cards have quite an underwhelming effect when compared with an extra turn. Sometimes cheap effects can be worth the required building around, especially when there are a lot of ways to synergize with the cards you are using to build around.
Top 10 worst Time Walk effects 1. Time Walk At least I can play these other cards on the list. But with Time Walk, I have to pay 17491$ to get this stupid card and even then i still can't play it bcoz it's banned. Now THOSE are some serious hoops to get through, LUL
So, here are the stats according to EDHREC: 1. Search the City 3/125170 0% 2. Wormfang Manta 35/125170 0% 3. Magosi, the Waterveil 604/125170 0% 4. Stitch in time 1008/56285 2% 5. Magistrate's Scepter 801/244452 0% 6. Gonti's Aether Heart 803/244452 0% 7. Timestream Navigator 1099/125170 1% 8. Chance for Glory 391/50603 1% 9. Second Chance 140/125170 0% 10. Temporal Extortion 1001/123923 1% (The second column is the decks that DO play the card over the decks that COULD play the card.) Timestream Navigator and Chance for Glory score far better than Second Chance. In fact, Chance for Glory is played in conjunction with Sunforger to get infinite turns, and just last weak I lost to an Inalla deck because: it played the Navigator, then got an extra turn with the token, then got another extra turn with the original and, by the time they had finished, got yet another turn with a timewalk effect they've drawn meanwhile. I've conceded on the spot. Magistrate's Scepter and Gonti's Aether Heart are a tie, but I know the Scepter can go infinite with stuff like Contagion Engine and some untapper, while I don't know any combo with the Heart. Surprisingly, Stitch in Time scores quite high and I think it's because it fits quite well in any Zndrsplt & Okaun deck.
Magistrate's Scepter and the Timestream are both fairly broken if you build around them the Scepter as you pointed out is rather broken as hell. Me being an big fan of commutative upkeep (since its a time counter) learned early on the tricks of the trade with removing and adding counters.
Stitch in time is amazing! I made an is set storm deck that could use this izzet color enchant to give sorceries/ instants storm and return sells from graveyard and chained like 12 turns from it
I agree that time stream navigator is a very fragile creature and fragile combo, but it is in blue, the control color... Depending on who your playing against, they may over think the situation and trip over themself. Like, one time I told the table my time stream navigator combo takes 14 mana to go off. They for whatever reason let the navigator live, then let me get to 14 mana, then held nothing up when it came to my turn... The only other blue player had just blown his last card in hand countering a different game winning spell which wasn't going to win yet. So I explained the combo to them, told them there was nothing they could do, and told them sooner or later, I'd draw the win condition I needed, and we should move on to the next game. Then there was this other time a guy teferi's protection himself to not die to targeted effects, but still lost due to me taking infinite turns with the navigator and global effects. I stopped playing that deck afterwards...
@@robspear03 I'm not saying they're especially powerful, I'm just saying they're relevant in EDH. If you've never seen them played, maybe it's because you don't play EDH enough. By the way they're more played then Second Chance or Gonti's AEther Heart, for instance.
Magistrate’s Scepter was pretty terrifying in at least Arena Standard when WAR came out. It’s rotating out soon, thankfully, but with all the proliferate we got I’m not sure that it’s gone forever.
Feel like Chance for Glory is getting a raw deal here, it's not good, but it's a better card than Temporal Extortion. If you can skip the extra turn or not lose at the end of the extra turn, all your creatures are indestructible. Not until end of turn, until the end of the game.
Key phrase here: "If x happens, then its good." If you cannot play a "time walk" effect without necessitating a combo to not kill yourself, the card is bad.
Speaking on edh. 10: Add with Wound Reflection, or similar effect. In commander, it's usually 10 life or more.. 9: Veldaken Orrery, any form of flash. If run with black, can use a card like ad naseum prior. 8: Use ANY card that says you can't lose the game, once end step ends, the effect fizzles out completely and your creatures are still indestructible. 7: Is kind of crap, but can make uncounterable and give haste. 4: Use American quarters after 1980, it's nearer 70% due to alloy layering. Near 80-90 if the 2000 state series.
Timestream Navigator is actaully a win con in my Inalla commander deck, but you have stated in several videos that commander is a format where a lot more cards can find a home. You can slap down the creature and immediately take an extra turn thanks to Inalla's eminence ability making a token copy of it with haste. Add a Crystal Shard to this interaction to keep putting the original copy of the card back into your hand, and you now have the ability to take infinite turns.
Magistrates scepter is a Time Walk factory if you run it in a charge counter deck. really, that's the only playable synergy or you're using a paper-weight paper weight
Temporal Extortion is best thought of as a 4CMC halving HP card moreso than it is a timewalk card. In terms of utility the HP halving could be impactful particularly in multiplayer.
Chance for glory was the main wincon combo for rainbow lich/lich's mastery decks, while they were never top tier competitive lists, it wasn't not a pushover at all and had numerous ways to infinitely loop CFG with mirari conjecture. One of the most unique decks in recent memory. So, it at least had a home in niche but strong deck as a strong wincon, that's way mpre than some of the others can say.
Chance for Glory is AMAZING when you can Stifle the end of turn lose effect or otherwise skip it. (like with Sundial of the infinite) That's permanent indestructible on your whole board AND an extra turn for 3 mana. Especially in EDH that seems worth the risk of them disrupting it and killing you.
Stitch In Time loves Commander where it has the time and space to get copied like mad. The most I ever had on the stack was 6, thanks Djinn Illuminatus! Nowadays I tend to use Swarm Intelligence/flipped Primal Amulet/Pyromancer's Goggles for it.
Repeatable time stream navigator would not be okay. Also how did chance for glory make the list over final fortune? Glory costs one more and needs white, but it also gives your creatures indestructible and besides that is the same as final fortune.
Well.....no temporal extortion is pretty good. I run it in my brown leafs deck and being able to half your opponent's life to edge your board state into lethal territory or taking an extra turn to develop a board is ussualy a win win in any situation. And let's say worse case scenario you drop it on your 4th turn then your opponent picks extra turn instead of half you still get an extra land, card draw, and any upkeep effects. It's literally never a losing situation. Even if your opponent is at a low life like 4 and they take the half that puts them in rang for any kind of minor instant damage spells or effect. Or if your both are at a peak board state that 2 damage can mean the diffrence.
Also something interesting about stitch in time is that the coin flip is part of it resolving meaning it’s kind of an interesting dilemma for your opponent of whether they want to counter something that either does nothing or is one of the most powerful effects in magic
Chance for glory has some really cool effects with trigger stifling and anti-loss cards because of how cheap it is. Edit: magistrates septer is really busted in dice-factory decks. I’ll put a list that abuses here.
Magistrate's Scepter is really good if you're running a proliferate deck or any of the pseudo-proliferate mechanics. 8 mana to get a repeatable timewalk without paying any mana after the initial investment beyond what a proliferate deck is already doing.
Congrats on the massive jump in subscribers! I would would like to see a 10 best of cards what were good in their standard format. Excluding anything that is currently banned and/or restricted in any format.
the reprint of magistrates scepter makes a lot of sense if you consider that war of the spark was build with a ton of spells and creatures that can proliferate. So once you have the first counter on it, you can get the others for free, effectively getting you a timewalk for 7 mana you can use multiple times. I tried playing around with it for a while. I could not get it to give me infinite turns consistently enough to make it worthwhile for a combo deck, but it gave me quite a few extra turns and wins.
Magistrate's Scepter in conjunction with Evolution Sage is amazing! Even if you have to spend 7 mana to get the first turn, you're not gonna have to spend anymore mana to get it to enough counters to take multiple extra turns if you play cards like Boundless Realms or scapeshift then you're gonna be able to take atleast 5 extra turns. It's a staple in my Bolas deck where I abuse omniscience and Inexorable Tide to abuse the proliferate ability.
I played a guy who used chance for glory, then used that one artifact which instantly ends the turn in the second main of his second turn, so he basically got an extra turn for 3 mana.
I have a deck in the current standard based around the Magistrates Scepter, it’s a heavy Simic proliferate deck that fairly smoothly gets me infinite turns by around turn 10, at which point I’m able to consistently proliferate 3 times every turn to both buff my creatures and add charge counters to it, it’s one of my favorite decks to play
Chantal Beck I have been told to remove it from my charge conuter comander deck because it goes infinet too easily. The card is kinda busted in the right deck.
Stitch in Time is actually my win-con in my thousand year storm burn deck. It storms off with cheap cantrips and then casts stitch in time several times in a row to ensure extra turns. It's the best extra turn spell for me in this case because less mana = more spells casted before it
would've been awesome to see some math on search for the city. What's the chance that within X turns, you actually see enough cards to get 5(!!!!) cards with a specific name
magistrate's scepter is ok now with proliferate and reclamation. i ran a simic deck with it for a while and it worked alright. wasn't consistent, but it did work. the key was that you never used the scepter at 3 charges, but rather 4. that way you only had to do the first 4 mana tap once, and you'd use karn's bastion, reclamation sage, flux channeler, courage in crisis, contentious plan, that 2 mana proliferate elf. again, it required too many moving parts to ever be consistent, but proliferate has made the card much more useful.
Great List, I had no idea Second Chance was even a card. Magistrate Scepter though does have a very powerful spot in a very specific Commander deck: Tawnos. Aside from the obvious synergy of taking two extra turns, you also run basically everything good that cares about charges counters like Lux Cannon, Riptide Replicator, the relevant shrines, even Titan Forge and Conversion Chamber (all which also work great with Tawons), mix in the good proliferate cards like Contagion Engine, Inexorable tide, Flux Channeler, Energy Chamber, Coretapper, plus Sword of Truth & Justice and it's super easy to go infinite.
I won a game of commander last night off the back of Timestream Navigator (my commander is Azami, Lady of Scrolls) I do agree with your assessment of having to jump through a lot of hoops to get it to work, but it feels good when she sets sail! (For the bottom of the library)
that Magistrate's Scepter looks like a few keys would work well with it, and if you combo it with the right lands and creatures you can get the 12 mana per turn, EVERY turn. Sol Ring, Everflowing Chalice just a few examples alongside the Urza lands. Maybe even mix in a little Darksteel for repeated attacks? Cuz yeah an extra turn means another chance to attack and then use the Scepter all over again and against Darksteel your opponent will run out of creatures to wall you with eventually right? Also Wormfang Manta with Torpor Orb and Conjurer's closet LOL
I mean, I know you said "some of these see play in Commander" but they're still bad, but I think the commander utility of some of these is being underestimated. Like, I run Timestream Navigator in my Inalla deck. It's really funny because then she's just an (expensive, I admit) time walk with another one on board waiting to go off. Or Magosi. In my Teferi superfriends deck there are definitely times when I'm sitting on a bunch of counterspells or an activated Teferi ult and some mana, and am okay with the idea of letting my opponent take another go to bank a turn.
In terms of commander, Search the City also definitely gets #1 cause you need 5 basic lands and then ways to enable 5 land drops in a single turn just to get your extra turn. I also think it's kinda funny how exiling 2 lands will almost always disable this card. I was thinking something like shadowborn apostles being a niche but then what if you hit 2 swamps
I've only played MTGA so I just learned about Magosi, but it does seem to have potential for me, in instant decks. The main issue is that you also skip your untap phase; but the key is that you can play the skip ability at instant speed. Picture the following: I kept most of my mana untapped to counter some stuff from the opponent and/or destroy some stuff they played or something with instants in my hand. They didn't play anything worth my mana, so I have a bunch of unspent mana that's about to go to waste, and all my spells are instants. I'll just activate the ability on my opponent's end step, skip my upcoming turn, and since I still have mana from the fact I didn't do anything last turn, I still have the ability to counter or play other instants during your turn. And now I have an extra turn for free that I can use later on when I have the ability to do something with it. It's not broken, but it does seem quite useful for instant decks as an extra threat and another way to make use of mana you keep to respond to situations with instants.
I've run several of these in EDH. Chance for Glory in Aurelia, Timestream Navigator in a few (it clones well) and Stitch in Time in my Melek deck. Of those, Chance for Glory was actually consistently a game-winner for me, as my Boros deck has lots of creatures that created more creatures on attack, so getting two turns in a row would often be enough to seal the deal on multiple opponents. I would usually play it sorcery speed before playing my own board wipe to clear out blockers. Stitch in time admittedly isn't super strong, but I cut my better extra turn cards as they made my Melek Deck unpleasant to play against. With all the copying, Stitch in Time still usually nets me about one turn per play though, but it is decidedly outclassed by other Time Walks, and wouldn't be in the deck if it wasn't Izzet flavored. Timestream Navigator usually is pretty janky though...
Can someone explain why Chance for Glory (1RW) is bad, while Final Fortune (RR) is number four on this channel's Best Time Walks list? They have pretty similar effects: Time walk, then lose at the end of the extra turn. And Chance for Glory adds indestructible. Someone please explain the logic.
@genius11433 Probably because Final Fortune and the other two cards (Last Chance and Warrior’s Oath) have “grand prix points” behind them because they’ve been used in the past to good effect because Time Walk is just a strong effect in nearly every circumstance. I agree with you though, all three of these RR lose-walks should have been in this list if Chance for Glory is also in the list.
I was thinking Wormfang Manta might be good with a card that flickers until the next end step like Roon of the Hidden Realm, flickering it on the end step so you always end the turn with the take the extra turn trigger to take infinite turns, at the price that if someone kills the wormfang then you're basically skipping a future turn for each turn you took. But it turns out, that's not how skipping turns work. It doesn't remove your next turn from the turn order the moment the trigger resolves, it sticks around and waits until your next turn actually happens and removes it then
Magosi sounds interesting. Skip an early when the opponent has little to no board, and you get to take an extra turn whenever it's more convenient (turns in which you will have much more mana than the turn you skipped). That can be a bomb in the right conditions. If you draw it late, it's just a land that enters tapped, a slight downside.
Stitch In Time is really good if you utilize it with some of the cards or creatures with the rebound mechanic it came out with in that block. A 3 mana Extra turn card with no downside for losing the coin toss+ a few cards with rebound as a mechanic make it very viable in home brew games if you like long drawn out duels like me and your decks take some time to set up.
I think Wormfang Manta is better then you make it out to be because that downside becomes negated by Torpor orb and Hushwing Gryf. And if you can play anything that allows you to kill this, and another that revives it,, you can basically take infinite turned
I play a slightly modified list from Ali Aintrazi--Dinos Wearing Helmets (ua-cam.com/video/Nw41NTOX4qg/v-deo.html ), and that runs the Navigator/Helm of the Host combo package, and let me tell you, counting to 15 mana is so much more fun when you aren't reaching for the stock Emrakul. Btw, the slight modification I made was -1 tapland, -1 basic (to make it an even 6 each of Island and Forest); +2 Evolving wilds, and I couldn't be happier. You haven't lived until you've chained Tatyova into Evolving Wilds into Evolving Wilds into double Grow from the Ashes, bringing your life total from on-the-ropes single digits to a healthy 20 or 30, with a commanding board presence to back it up. God, I love this deck.
Proliferate and charge counter shenanigans could make Magistrate's Scepter fun. I didn't know about this card, and now I'm wanna build a fun counters deck in which it would slip in nicely.
I'm late again, this time it was because I was too busy taking an extra turn with the cards on this list! I was building my segway into my video topic. Top 10 vintage cards (minus power 9)!
I had a deck back in the day I top 8'd a few tourneys with Timestream navigator. It was a U/W control style deck except it ran Gideon of the trials and Helm of the host. While also running anointed processions and many of the embalm creatures. I could make Gideon a creature to helm him and make more Gideons, or combo off with Timestream to win the game. Having a emblemed Gideon plus the navigator combo meant i couldn't lose to deck out, and many times it would come down to simply smashing through with too many Gideons, locking red out of the game with them, or slamming the helm down on a lyra and going the face beat plan. I wish I had been able to play the deck more in it's era. I just didn't have the funds to make those trips to bigger tournaments. I got top 8 in three different Pptq's
I don't agree with Timestream Navigator. Yes, it's fragile, but There was the Teferi that created tokens with it's plus and searched every turn with his ult. Then again I've also made a deck around magistrate's scepter that jank-viable.
I run a casual deck with Gonti's Aetherheart in it and generally if my opponent is alive by the time I can actually play it, the extra turn I get out of a 3 mana artifact that pays for it's own energy cost with cast and ETB triggers, it's pretty cheap for what is effectively an I win button at that point.
Magistrate’s Scepter can be good in EDH with a Proliferate deck. The initial investment is 7 mana - 3 to cast, 4 to ‘seed’ - but as long as you have at least one counter seeded and a good Proliferate engine, infinite turns is possible with it.
I use a deck with phyrexian mana artifacts that makes me pay any amount of life to boost their attack. During the upkeep I can choose to chain the life pay before the Enchantment activates and pay a ton of life, and getting an extra turn out of it seems like a cool pay-off. I shall try it
Magistrate's Scepter is actually quite good in EDH though and I don't feel like it deserves a place on this list. Very easy to use it in combination with untap artifacts and proliferation artifacts to take infinite extra turns.
My favourite time walk story: artifact edh deck decided to go off, played expropriate, and got 4 turns due to ugins nexus. His response was to sacrifice it, but one of the opponents flashed in a clone to copy it. He wasted 15 mana to get nothing. He scooped soon after.
I think this is the first worst of list ever that I have thought to myself "I have played half of these cards." Chance for glory is a wonderful linchpin in rainbow lich. Timestream Navigator is a two card combo with Ajani, Valiant Protector (the aether revolt planeswalker deck one). Granted it was fragile and you could only run Timestream for creatures, but you were playing a control deck around it anyways. It was actually pretty viable in Rivals of Ixalan standard. and fun fact, Megosi, the waterveil goes infinite with two chronomantic escapes. not amazing, but my cousin used to play it in a UW modern turbofog deck.
Majority of his top 10s are based on EDH statistics drawn from deck submission. Your subjectively driven comment does not change the text box on these cards. They are bad.
I made a wormfang manta combo deck torpor orb or the clones wormfang manta and eldrazi displacer for inf turns it worked a few times but super inconsistent
I'd say Magistrate's Scepter can be pretty good in a dedicated proliferate deck. Even though it looks below curve, it compensates by not destroying or exiling itself, so you can go infinite with it fairly easily compared to other Time Walks.
I don’t really disagree with its place on this list, but I personally use second chance in an edh deck for its potential to infinitely combo off of form of the dragon and things like mistveil plains after enduring ideal, so it does have some.. very niche use. It’s one of the more flimsy wincons in the deck, but it’s fun, it works, and the deck generally needs a few ways to win so it isn’t screwed if just one wincon is out of reach
Nope, if you win the game with it most time you had won it without it And often it gives you card disadvantage because it is on your hand without any use
The card has a special place in Magic it can be strong played it in limited had some great risky wins throught it. And i saw some Decks in Standart who used it to great effect, but Most of the time it is just a win harder card
@@redstonepro5412 yeah ofc, but atleast wanted to make a point for the card. Which is a wonderful word play, as a card in german it translates into smth. like: "Betting everything on one card" and that is more alligned with the gameplay of the card
Chance for Glory is a three cost "double the damage you have on the board" if you play it alone. Plus, you're playing Boros. You should have enough removal between white and red to blow through for lethal in two turns.
Honestly now that Archfiend of Despair is a card, Temporal Extortion now reads "your opponent may choose to either give you an extra turn, or lose the game at the end of your turn"
Magistrates scepter is op in a proliferate deck because if you are proliferating 3 times each turn then you get infinite extra turns if you play it right (you will run out of dice before you run out of cards)
Just in case you’ve come back to watch older videos - Chance For Glory ended up seeing Standard play after this was made, and would not qualify anymore due to that.
"You're one of the worst time walks I've heard of."
"Ah, but you have heard of me."
Chance for Glory is a monster of a win-con in Boros commanders (like Aurelia the Warleader) who give you extra rounds of combat. I know some commander decks that can get three or four rounds of combat off on a single turn. Now double that...
Wouldn't chance for glory also work in decks such as anything with platinum angel or gideon of the trials type of effects where the you lose clause is simply dismissed (and just saved your platinum angel)
@@davidmitchell621 Yes. "Don't" overrules "do".
Chance for glory also has the advantage of being an instant, meaning sunforger can tutor it.
Aurelia's Fury is a good alt
also theres thst item that simply ends your turn so no end step, basically all your permanents become indestructible forever
I know people have said it a million times already, but Chance for Glory does not belong here at all
Its too narrow.
@@robspear03 It's only narrow when not coupled with other effects. Playing it by itself is usually a bad idea without lethal BUT having a trigger counter (There's currently three in standard meaning you can hose a control match up by simply negating the "You lose effect" at the end step while keeping a board of indestructible creatures)
It's too metal to be on this list. You're about to lose with no way to possibly win? Slam down chance for glory. Go out swinging.
"Time stream Navigator wouldn't be broken as a repeatable activated ability"
Sure, let's just make a one card infinite turn combo. Are you saying that Ascend is enough of a requirement for that?
Yea I was thinking that too like what the hecc. I thought he was smarter than that.
Manta (#2) is a part of 3 card infinite turns with Lazav, so...
There is an infinite Combo with it: Planar Bridge, Timestream Navigator and something that gives haste, for example Samut. Then you take your Extra Turn, search it up again and do it as often as you Need to win if you have 12 or more mana
Luigi 2.0 or you just use wizards commander and return nav in you're hand.
In my Inalla deck, Timestream Navigator goes infinite with Deadeye Navigator or Conjurer's Closet thanks to the token copy.
Chance for glory is bad? Rainbow lich would like a word with you.
Exactly what I was going to say, Rainbow lich was quite good at abusing the low mana cost extra turns.
Rainbow Lich FTW!
So would I because my Boros aggro deck has surprise killed my opponent in so many games with this card on the stack. It bitchslaps control when they try to boardwipe after they've taken a bunch of damage already. It is a mainboard, currently, in my Feather aggro deck and brother it wins games. About 15-20% of the time according to my last 10 games on Arena.
It won an SCG Classic. I know that's not one of the tournaments looked at here, but it's got more going for it than the ones before it on the list.
@@joshuaking7470 I actually ran a copy in my Boros deck for the final Ravnica event on MTGArena. Won me quite a few games just by giving me the extra turn I need to close out the game. Being 3 mana is really no joke honestly.
Chance for glory was a part of lich's mastery combo decks. If you had lich's mastery out, you could ignore the lose the game clause and get a 3 mana instant speed timewalk.
I've lost against that on Arena. It hurt...
"If you play a garbage tier 6 mana enchantment a mediocre timewalk in two different colors becomes slightly more playable"
No.
@@Trisket it was briefly a thing in grn standard. But ya, both those cards suck and time has only proven that.
Chance for glory is a great card, & I don't know why it's on his list.
It wasn't a great deck but it was for a Time. I think that's disqualifying. But then I also don't know what card 11 would have been
To be fair, if timestream navigator didn't tuck itself you would just get infinite turns the moment you untapped with it.
You could go infinite in standard with ajani
I think the big thing you should consider is that it's a 1/1.
@@nicholas8739 I think the big thing you should consider is so?
A 1/1 that wins you the game still wins you the game.
And a 1/1 is about as easy to remove as a 2/2 or a 3/3, with most damage spells doing 3 damage.
But again it doesn't matter as they would only have 1 turn to answer it before it wins the game. For 2 mana, worst case you trade 1/1.
No the tucking clause for the navigator is essential, not including it would be a massive mistake and it's not even close
@@ashra8281 I'm not saying the tucking clause isn't essential...I'm just saying that it's very easy to remove when it requires ascend and another turn to activate. Altogether, it's easy to respond to. Not tucking would be a problem, but it wouldn't necessarily make it outstanding.
@Nicholas Stockero
Yes, it absolutely would make it broken if it was a one card combo. Hermit Druid is banned in legacy and that is a two drop that is just as easy to remove. And while Hermit Druid is a lot better than a non-tucking Timestream Navigator, that would still leave it absolutely broken for standard.
I will contend, Chance for glory has won me about 3/4 of the games I've used it in. Combined with heroic reinforcements I don't think Chance deserved to be on this list.
And how often it was strandet on you hand and gave you card disadvantage
And how many games you won that you had lost without it ?
I usually pick up 1 to 2 wins out of 10 due to it myself. It shuts down board wipes in control right when those decks usually need them.
Didn’t Chance for Glory actually make a few waves not long after it first came out in Gideon decks ? It was actually somewhat playable in red white decks that could get the “you can’t lose” clause. While it wasn’t top tier it was definitely playable.
Also 5c Lich which, while not fantastic, was a popular deck for a while.
Its too narrow. It requires a combo or an alpha strike to be relevant.
Its not good.
@@robspear03 I mean, painter's servant is also bad outside of combo. It's a powerful, but specific effect. That just makes it a powerful but limited card. Not a bad card.
better title:
MTG Top 10: fair time walks
I had a friend who thought you got an extra turn from every card in search the city.... we had to get a judge to convence him otherwise
Why would he ever think that? The basis for reference on all rulings for all cards is " The card does what it says it does"
@@fraampusdagry9024 Because reading comprehension is a big wall for some people.
I mean we have all played against someone like this who doesn't complitely understand how a card works and tries to do some jank shit.
@@Tinskap oh yeah. I've been that guy before. i just thought it was a funny story
@@Tinskap time walk did originally say “opponent loses next turn.” Many people though they just lost the game then.
Magistrate's Scepter gives you can extra turn instantly with a coretapper. (Or infinite turns with 3 coretappers)
I have that setup along with Lux Cannon for the "Fire my lazor!!" deck
@@PocketHealer21 I also have these set up in a deck that was originally built around golem foundry, but now runs scepter to try and win with darksteel reactor. I run a similar setup in vorel the hull clad for edh.
I had a friend who ran both Luz Cannon and Magistrate's Scepter in a Kurkesh Scrap deck, if he could tutor up a Contagion Clasp or Engine, it was basically a formality before he trashed the board or took infinite turns. V spicy
Scepter goes infinite with Vorel with very little effort.
Magistrate's Scepter + Karn's Bastion + Wilderness Reclamation.
Temporal Extortion definitely has increased value in Commander games. With long games and multiple opponents, the cost and downsides are somewhat mitigated. In the early game it can give you an edge when people don’t want to lose 15 or 20 life, and in the late game it can help you close gaps. Not a huge bump, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
Agreed. Casting it on turn 4-5 to basically help you ramp/draw a bit extra early is great, nobody is gonna take 20 that early in the game, especially when you aren't gonna win with it
With Archfiend of Despair, it basically becomes a 4 mana timewalk, unless a player has odd value of life to go down to 1
Chance for Glory is pretty good in standard Boros/Naya hero/aggro, combined with Heroic Reinforcement it's a legit strategy, not meta but definitely not garbage ^^
I’m calling ugin’s nexus number 1
Edit: why was nexus on worst mythic rares but not here 😂
Arthur van den Bergh I actually run ugins nexus to great effect in darreti scrap savant
jacob esplin oeh yeah that seems nasty
nexus is bad even in derreti. it exiles itself so it can't be reused
Because ugin's nexus can proc on sac and its an artifact.
Copy it, let one die to legemdary rule, sac the other, bam 2 turns.
Can even pull it back with the new karn
Also terrifyingly enough, Ugin's Nexus saw some experimental play.
Gonti's Aether Heart I feel like is one of those cards that for me embodies that disclaimer at the top of the video, that some of these cards have homes in EDH. In my Tawnos and Urza decks, because there's so many ways to both reduce artifact mana cost and create and copy artifacts, I can reliably drop GAH and have it fire off on the same turn, as well as recurring it back with Karn the Great Creator, but it's definitely very dependent on the way the deck has been built so I can understand why it's on this list.
you called number 8 a counterspell :O
Cause it can technically keep your opponent from destroying your creatures that turn
@@brettbrooks2495 Maybe. I interpreted it as just a slip of the tongue. I too would mentally lump them together as counterspells and timewalks are both very heavily blue effects. from there its easy to just run my fingers along the old mental book shelf and grab the wrong one by mistake.
I think chance for glory is actually a very cool card. There are lots of times, especially in Commander, that you can garauntee a win for yourself with one turn.
You can also get around "losing the game" Lich Mastery decks love this card.
I think in time this card will show it's power. It's cheap enough to combine with sweep, and you can play stuff like seize the day on your extra turn. You can even use Sundail of the infinite to avoid losing if you fuck up.
Situational, but it's very easy to control the situations the card is good, it's in colors that have no other access to this effect, and it's dirt cheap.
I mean, you could use a qualifier here. "Worst in limited" or "worst in Legacy" or something like that would probably be more accurate for many of these here.
my Boros Scepter Control would like to disagree on your statement about Chance for Glory; the card is busted in the deck that plays all the effects that say "you don't lose the game"
Once again: You have to build around the card for it to be good.
If a card necessitates a build-around to be effective, or in the case of CfG to NOT DIE, it is not a good card.
You can argue all you want, but it doesnt change the text box. You either have an enchantment in play or a 4/4 artifact creature or a 1cmc white instant that says "i cant lose the game". Now, with that extra turn, have you assemble yet another combo? A board of lethal attackers? Thats a dedication of one or more card slots that could have just been a Nexus, Temporal Trespass or Part the Waterveil.
If it requires moving parts, its not efficient. Fun? Sure. But dont confuse "fun" with good.
@@robspear03 "Scepter Control" means it's playing Isochron Scepter, which it can use to lock the opponent in a loop of Chance for Glory, Final Fortune, Angel's Grace, Sundial of the Infinite and Gideon emblems.
Chantal Beck The argument that a card isn’t good if you need to build around it, is terrible.
Here are a few cards you need to build around, tell me if they’re good or not;
-Death’s Shadow
-Tarmogoyf
-Lantern of Insight
-Grapeshot
-Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis
-Arclight Phoenix
-Karn, the Great Creator
-Vengevine
-Bridge from Below
-Living End
-Thalia’s Lieutenant
-The Tron lands
-Mox Opal
-Splinter Twin
-Protean Hulk
-Amulet of Vigor
-Ad Nauseam
-Summoner’s Pact
-Candelabra of Tawnos
-Scapeshift
-Devoted Druid
-Delver of Secrets
I’ll leave it there. Clearly there are a lot of cards that are good despite requiring you to build around them. Also a lot of these cards have quite an underwhelming effect when compared with an extra turn. Sometimes cheap effects can be worth the required building around, especially when there are a lot of ways to synergize with the cards you are using to build around.
Top 10 worst Time Walk effects
1. Time Walk
At least I can play these other cards on the list. But with Time Walk, I have to pay 17491$ to get this stupid card and even then i still can't play it bcoz it's banned. Now THOSE are some serious hoops to get through, LUL
So true hahaha
Insert the meme here
But.....
Its not banned in Vintage.
Thats nice, but when am I ever gonna get into a vintage match with anyone, my best wincon i own is mfkin' Demon of Catastrophes
So, here are the stats according to EDHREC:
1. Search the City 3/125170 0%
2. Wormfang Manta 35/125170 0%
3. Magosi, the Waterveil 604/125170 0%
4. Stitch in time 1008/56285 2%
5. Magistrate's Scepter 801/244452 0%
6. Gonti's Aether Heart 803/244452 0%
7. Timestream Navigator 1099/125170 1%
8. Chance for Glory 391/50603 1%
9. Second Chance 140/125170 0%
10. Temporal Extortion 1001/123923 1%
(The second column is the decks that DO play the card over the decks that COULD play the card.)
Timestream Navigator and Chance for Glory score far better than Second Chance.
In fact, Chance for Glory is played in conjunction with Sunforger to get infinite turns, and just last weak I lost to an Inalla deck because: it played the Navigator, then got an extra turn with the token, then got another extra turn with the original and, by the time they had finished, got yet another turn with a timewalk effect they've drawn meanwhile. I've conceded on the spot.
Magistrate's Scepter and Gonti's Aether Heart are a tie, but I know the Scepter can go infinite with stuff like Contagion Engine and some untapper, while I don't know any combo with the Heart.
Surprisingly, Stitch in Time scores quite high and I think it's because it fits quite well in any Zndrsplt & Okaun deck.
Magistrate's Scepter and the Timestream are both fairly broken if you build around them the Scepter as you pointed out is rather broken as hell. Me being an big fan of commutative upkeep (since its a time counter) learned early on the tricks of the trade with removing and adding counters.
Gonti can be played and resolved easily in Jhoira. It also almost guarantees victory.
Stitch in time is amazing! I made an is set storm deck that could use this izzet color enchant to give sorceries/ instants storm and return sells from graveyard and chained like 12 turns from it
I agree that time stream navigator is a very fragile creature and fragile combo, but it is in blue, the control color... Depending on who your playing against, they may over think the situation and trip over themself.
Like, one time I told the table my time stream navigator combo takes 14 mana to go off. They for whatever reason let the navigator live, then let me get to 14 mana, then held nothing up when it came to my turn... The only other blue player had just blown his last card in hand countering a different game winning spell which wasn't going to win yet. So I explained the combo to them, told them there was nothing they could do, and told them sooner or later, I'd draw the win condition I needed, and we should move on to the next game. Then there was this other time a guy teferi's protection himself to not die to targeted effects, but still lost due to me taking infinite turns with the navigator and global effects.
I stopped playing that deck afterwards...
Wow... Stupid playgroup if they let this happen
There are way better combos for infinite turns
Fun fact, magistrates scepter is made broken with power conduits and coretappers.
Add Contagion Clasp, Karn's Bastion, Atraxa, etc... it's easily broken in EDH.
Or even isocron with a dramatic reversal a sol ring and one other rock infinite colorless and infinite turns
Pithing needle, krosan grip, force of nature, naturalize, null rod...
Zero fucks given.
Chance for Glory, Timestream Navigator and Magistrate's Scepter are relevant in EDH. They should be at least lower in the list.
Ive never seen ONE opponent use the scepter or cast CfG in EDH.
One is too slow, the other is too narrow.
They are where they belong on the list.
@@robspear03 I'm not saying they're especially powerful, I'm just saying they're relevant in EDH. If you've never seen them played, maybe it's because you don't play EDH enough. By the way they're more played then Second Chance or Gonti's AEther Heart, for instance.
Magistrate’s Scepter was pretty terrifying in at least Arena Standard when WAR came out. It’s rotating out soon, thankfully, but with all the proliferate we got I’m not sure that it’s gone forever.
Feel like Chance for Glory is getting a raw deal here, it's not good, but it's a better card than Temporal Extortion. If you can skip the extra turn or not lose at the end of the extra turn, all your creatures are indestructible. Not until end of turn, until the end of the game.
Indestructible Platinum Angel is pretty good.
Key phrase here: "If x happens, then its good."
If you cannot play a "time walk" effect without necessitating a combo to not kill yourself, the card is bad.
@@robspear03 It's not a good card, but it doesn't belong on this list.
@Chantal_Beck Then explain why Final Fortune, Last Chance, and Warrior’s Oath didn’t make it on the list.
Speaking on edh.
10: Add with Wound Reflection, or similar effect. In commander, it's usually 10 life or more..
9: Veldaken Orrery, any form of flash. If run with black, can use a card like ad naseum prior.
8: Use ANY card that says you can't lose the game, once end step ends, the effect fizzles out completely and your creatures are still indestructible.
7: Is kind of crap, but can make uncounterable and give haste.
4: Use American quarters after 1980, it's nearer 70% due to alloy layering. Near 80-90 if the 2000 state series.
I like how timewalk has become so iconic that it is now how people indicate taking extra turns
Timestream Navigator is actaully a win con in my Inalla commander deck, but you have stated in several videos that commander is a format where a lot more cards can find a home. You can slap down the creature and immediately take an extra turn thanks to Inalla's eminence ability making a token copy of it with haste. Add a Crystal Shard to this interaction to keep putting the original copy of the card back into your hand, and you now have the ability to take infinite turns.
Magistrates scepter is a Time Walk factory if you run it in a charge counter deck. really, that's the only playable synergy or you're using a paper-weight paper weight
Temporal Extortion is best thought of as a 4CMC halving HP card moreso than it is a timewalk card. In terms of utility the HP halving could be impactful particularly in multiplayer.
Chance for glory was the main wincon combo for rainbow lich/lich's mastery decks, while they were never top tier competitive lists, it wasn't not a pushover at all and had numerous ways to infinitely loop CFG with mirari conjecture. One of the most unique decks in recent memory.
So, it at least had a home in niche but strong deck as a strong wincon, that's way mpre than some of the others can say.
"Yeah I know, Krark's Thumb is a card. Good luck with that." the delivery on that line was magnificent
Flip decks use it already, It’s worth it.
Chance for glory was played a lot in lichess mastery decks
And liches mastery decks are pretty bad
Which means it was built around in order to work.
Thats a combo.
So, according to the text box on CfG...its a bad card.
@@robspear03 but there are way better things to build around
Chance for Glory is AMAZING when you can Stifle the end of turn lose effect or otherwise skip it. (like with Sundial of the infinite) That's permanent indestructible on your whole board AND an extra turn for 3 mana. Especially in EDH that seems worth the risk of them disrupting it and killing you.
Noice
and number 4, Stitch in Time, won me a game the other day when I doubled it with Insidious Will, and managed to win one of my two coin flips.
Stitch In Time loves Commander where it has the time and space to get copied like mad. The most I ever had on the stack was 6, thanks Djinn Illuminatus! Nowadays I tend to use Swarm Intelligence/flipped Primal Amulet/Pyromancer's Goggles for it.
@@twizzicles23 Thousand Year Storm is one of my favorites, works like gangbusters.
I forgot search the city was an extra turn card. Totally glossed over that when I first read it
Repeatable time stream navigator would not be okay. Also how did chance for glory make the list over final fortune? Glory costs one more and needs white, but it also gives your creatures indestructible and besides that is the same as final fortune.
Well.....no temporal extortion is pretty good. I run it in my brown leafs deck and being able to half your opponent's life to edge your board state into lethal territory or taking an extra turn to develop a board is ussualy a win win in any situation.
And let's say worse case scenario you drop it on your 4th turn then your opponent picks extra turn instead of half you still get an extra land, card draw, and any upkeep effects. It's literally never a losing situation.
Even if your opponent is at a low life like 4 and they take the half that puts them in rang for any kind of minor instant damage spells or effect. Or if your both are at a peak board state that 2 damage can mean the diffrence.
Chance for Glory, Timestream Navigator & the Scepter are not bad cards, definitely janky cards, but not bad at all. The three of them have combos.
Combos, but not standalone.
You just answered the question as to why they made the list.
Love your show! Keep it up, I look forward to your top tens every week!
Also something interesting about stitch in time is that the coin flip is part of it resolving meaning it’s kind of an interesting dilemma for your opponent of whether they want to counter something that either does nothing or is one of the most powerful effects in magic
Just remand it. Problem solved.
You play Magistrate's Scepter in a proliferate deck. DUH
Chance for glory has some really cool effects with trigger stifling and anti-loss cards because of how cheap it is.
Edit: magistrates septer is really busted in dice-factory decks. I’ll put a list that abuses here.
Magistrate's Scepter is really good if you're running a proliferate deck or any of the pseudo-proliferate mechanics. 8 mana to get a repeatable timewalk without paying any mana after the initial investment beyond what a proliferate deck is already doing.
Started playing magosi. One of the single best cards in a hard control shell. Instants / flash. Never been dead.
funny that you put magistrates scepter in there, i actually have it in a vorel deck and its a crucial piece for one of my infinite combos in it
Congrats on the massive jump in subscribers!
I would would like to see a 10 best of cards what were good in their standard format. Excluding anything that is currently banned and/or restricted in any format.
the reprint of magistrates scepter makes a lot of sense if you consider that war of the spark was build with a ton of spells and creatures that can proliferate. So once you have the first counter on it, you can get the others for free, effectively getting you a timewalk for 7 mana you can use multiple times. I tried playing around with it for a while. I could not get it to give me infinite turns consistently enough to make it worthwhile for a combo deck, but it gave me quite a few extra turns and wins.
Magistrate's Scepter in conjunction with Evolution Sage is amazing! Even if you have to spend 7 mana to get the first turn, you're not gonna have to spend anymore mana to get it to enough counters to take multiple extra turns if you play cards like Boundless Realms or scapeshift then you're gonna be able to take atleast 5 extra turns. It's a staple in my Bolas deck where I abuse omniscience and Inexorable Tide to abuse the proliferate ability.
I played a guy who used chance for glory, then used that one artifact which instantly ends the turn in the second main of his second turn, so he basically got an extra turn for 3 mana.
I digg the pirate wizard 👍 She’s probably a distant relative of the Prodigal Sorcerer.
I have a deck in the current standard based around the Magistrates Scepter, it’s a heavy Simic proliferate deck that fairly smoothly gets me infinite turns by around turn 10, at which point I’m able to consistently proliferate 3 times every turn to both buff my creatures and add charge counters to it, it’s one of my favorite decks to play
Magistrate’s Scepter goes infi soooooooo easily with any ways to put charge counters and proliferate, it is sweet!
Energy Chambers work GREAT with this card!
Coretapper, Rings of Brighthearth
Once again: It requires alot of variables and alot of moving parts to use efficiently.
Chantal Beck I have been told to remove it from my charge conuter comander deck because it goes infinet too easily. The card is kinda busted in the right deck.
Stitch in Time is actually my win-con in my thousand year storm burn deck. It storms off with cheap cantrips and then casts stitch in time several times in a row to ensure extra turns. It's the best extra turn spell for me in this case because less mana = more spells casted before it
would've been awesome to see some math on search for the city. What's the chance that within X turns, you actually see enough cards to get 5(!!!!) cards with a specific name
Chance for Glory made it into Mythic Championship (5 I guess), combined with Embercleave as Überfinisher
magistrate's scepter is ok now with proliferate and reclamation. i ran a simic deck with it for a while and it worked alright. wasn't consistent, but it did work. the key was that you never used the scepter at 3 charges, but rather 4. that way you only had to do the first 4 mana tap once, and you'd use karn's bastion, reclamation sage, flux channeler, courage in crisis, contentious plan, that 2 mana proliferate elf. again, it required too many moving parts to ever be consistent, but proliferate has made the card much more useful.
Great List, I had no idea Second Chance was even a card. Magistrate Scepter though does have a very powerful spot in a very specific Commander deck: Tawnos. Aside from the obvious synergy of taking two extra turns, you also run basically everything good that cares about charges counters like Lux Cannon, Riptide Replicator, the relevant shrines, even Titan Forge and Conversion Chamber (all which also work great with Tawons), mix in the good proliferate cards like Contagion Engine, Inexorable tide, Flux Channeler, Energy Chamber, Coretapper, plus Sword of Truth & Justice and it's super easy to go infinite.
And dont forget nick cage (marsil) with it an untap eff and ventifact bottle (although mindslaver lock is easier to achieve)
Magistrate's Scepter looks like something JLK could use proficiently, knowing his history of pulling shenanigans on every commander game he plays
I won a game of commander last night off the back of Timestream Navigator (my commander is Azami, Lady of Scrolls) I do agree with your assessment of having to jump through a lot of hoops to get it to work, but it feels good when she sets sail! (For the bottom of the library)
Yo chance for glory has won me so many games ngl
that Magistrate's Scepter looks like a few keys would work well with it, and if you combo it with the right lands and creatures you can get the 12 mana per turn, EVERY turn. Sol Ring, Everflowing Chalice just a few examples alongside the Urza lands. Maybe even mix in a little Darksteel for repeated attacks? Cuz yeah an extra turn means another chance to attack and then use the Scepter all over again and against Darksteel your opponent will run out of creatures to wall you with eventually right?
Also Wormfang Manta with Torpor Orb and Conjurer's closet LOL
I mean, I know you said "some of these see play in Commander" but they're still bad, but I think the commander utility of some of these is being underestimated. Like, I run Timestream Navigator in my Inalla deck. It's really funny because then she's just an (expensive, I admit) time walk with another one on board waiting to go off. Or Magosi. In my Teferi superfriends deck there are definitely times when I'm sitting on a bunch of counterspells or an activated Teferi ult and some mana, and am okay with the idea of letting my opponent take another go to bank a turn.
In terms of commander, Search the City also definitely gets #1 cause you need 5 basic lands and then ways to enable 5 land drops in a single turn just to get your extra turn. I also think it's kinda funny how exiling 2 lands will almost always disable this card. I was thinking something like shadowborn apostles being a niche but then what if you hit 2 swamps
I've only played MTGA so I just learned about Magosi, but it does seem to have potential for me, in instant decks. The main issue is that you also skip your untap phase; but the key is that you can play the skip ability at instant speed.
Picture the following: I kept most of my mana untapped to counter some stuff from the opponent and/or destroy some stuff they played or something with instants in my hand. They didn't play anything worth my mana, so I have a bunch of unspent mana that's about to go to waste, and all my spells are instants. I'll just activate the ability on my opponent's end step, skip my upcoming turn, and since I still have mana from the fact I didn't do anything last turn, I still have the ability to counter or play other instants during your turn. And now I have an extra turn for free that I can use later on when I have the ability to do something with it.
It's not broken, but it does seem quite useful for instant decks as an extra threat and another way to make use of mana you keep to respond to situations with instants.
Search the city could be fun with one of these cards that you can have many of in your deck. Still bad, but fun
I've run several of these in EDH. Chance for Glory in Aurelia, Timestream Navigator in a few (it clones well) and Stitch in Time in my Melek deck.
Of those, Chance for Glory was actually consistently a game-winner for me, as my Boros deck has lots of creatures that created more creatures on attack, so getting two turns in a row would often be enough to seal the deal on multiple opponents. I would usually play it sorcery speed before playing my own board wipe to clear out blockers.
Stitch in time admittedly isn't super strong, but I cut my better extra turn cards as they made my Melek Deck unpleasant to play against. With all the copying, Stitch in Time still usually nets me about one turn per play though, but it is decidedly outclassed by other Time Walks, and wouldn't be in the deck if it wasn't Izzet flavored.
Timestream Navigator usually is pretty janky though...
Gonti's Aether Heart was pretty sweet for infinite energy creation and then taking an extra turn to finish game off.
Can someone explain why Chance for Glory (1RW) is bad, while Final Fortune (RR) is number four on this channel's Best Time Walks list? They have pretty similar effects: Time walk, then lose at the end of the extra turn. And Chance for Glory adds indestructible. Someone please explain the logic.
@genius11433 Probably because Final Fortune and the other two cards (Last Chance and Warrior’s Oath) have “grand prix points” behind them because they’ve been used in the past to good effect because Time Walk is just a strong effect in nearly every circumstance. I agree with you though, all three of these RR lose-walks should have been in this list if Chance for Glory is also in the list.
I was thinking Wormfang Manta might be good with a card that flickers until the next end step like Roon of the Hidden Realm, flickering it on the end step so you always end the turn with the take the extra turn trigger to take infinite turns, at the price that if someone kills the wormfang then you're basically skipping a future turn for each turn you took.
But it turns out, that's not how skipping turns work. It doesn't remove your next turn from the turn order the moment the trigger resolves, it sticks around and waits until your next turn actually happens and removes it then
Magistrate's sceptre and proliforate in standard is a hidden gem Tbh
Karn+spyglass dont give no fucks.
Second chance could be pretty nice with Bolas citadel, since you can lower your own life to 5 if you need.
Magosi sounds interesting. Skip an early when the opponent has little to no board, and you get to take an extra turn whenever it's more convenient (turns in which you will have much more mana than the turn you skipped). That can be a bomb in the right conditions. If you draw it late, it's just a land that enters tapped, a slight downside.
Stitch In Time is really good if you utilize it with some of the cards or creatures with the rebound mechanic it came out with in that block. A 3 mana Extra turn card with no downside for losing the coin toss+ a few cards with rebound as a mechanic make it very viable in home brew games if you like long drawn out duels like me and your decks take some time to set up.
I think Wormfang Manta is better then you make it out to be because that downside becomes negated by Torpor orb and Hushwing Gryf. And if you can play anything that allows you to kill this, and another that revives it,, you can basically take infinite turned
Or a blink effect like eldrazi displacer which yes I made a combo deck around it a year or two ago it worked occasionally but super inconsistent
Man, there's a lot more time walks than I thought there were. I've never heard of most of these
I play a slightly modified list from Ali Aintrazi--Dinos Wearing Helmets (ua-cam.com/video/Nw41NTOX4qg/v-deo.html ), and that runs the Navigator/Helm of the Host combo package, and let me tell you, counting to 15 mana is so much more fun when you aren't reaching for the stock Emrakul.
Btw, the slight modification I made was -1 tapland, -1 basic (to make it an even 6 each of Island and Forest); +2 Evolving wilds, and I couldn't be happier. You haven't lived until you've chained Tatyova into Evolving Wilds into Evolving Wilds into double Grow from the Ashes, bringing your life total from on-the-ropes single digits to a healthy 20 or 30, with a commanding board presence to back it up. God, I love this deck.
Proliferate and charge counter shenanigans could make Magistrate's Scepter fun. I didn't know about this card, and now I'm wanna build a fun counters deck in which it would slip in nicely.
I'm late again, this time it was because I was too busy taking an extra turn with the cards on this list! I was building my segway into my video topic.
Top 10 vintage cards (minus power 9)!
I had a deck back in the day I top 8'd a few tourneys with Timestream navigator. It was a U/W control style deck except it ran Gideon of the trials and Helm of the host. While also running anointed processions and many of the embalm creatures. I could make Gideon a creature to helm him and make more Gideons, or combo off with Timestream to win the game. Having a emblemed Gideon plus the navigator combo meant i couldn't lose to deck out, and many times it would come down to simply smashing through with too many Gideons, locking red out of the game with them, or slamming the helm down on a lyra and going the face beat plan. I wish I had been able to play the deck more in it's era. I just didn't have the funds to make those trips to bigger tournaments. I got top 8 in three different Pptq's
I don't agree with Timestream Navigator. Yes, it's fragile, but There was the Teferi that created tokens with it's plus and searched every turn with his ult. Then again I've also made a deck around magistrate's scepter that jank-viable.
I run a casual deck with Gonti's Aetherheart in it and generally if my opponent is alive by the time I can actually play it, the extra turn I get out of a 3 mana artifact that pays for it's own energy cost with cast and ETB triggers, it's pretty cheap for what is effectively an I win button at that point.
Magistrate’s Scepter can be good in EDH with a Proliferate deck. The initial investment is 7 mana - 3 to cast, 4 to ‘seed’ - but as long as you have at least one counter seeded and a good Proliferate engine, infinite turns is possible with it.
I use a deck with phyrexian mana artifacts that makes me pay any amount of life to boost their attack.
During the upkeep I can choose to chain the life pay before the Enchantment activates and pay a ton of life, and getting an extra turn out of it seems like a cool pay-off. I shall try it
Timestream Navigator + Progenitor Mimic is one of my all time favorite combos (basically once it triggers, your opponent never gets another turn)
Magistrate's scepter was fire before paradox engine got banned in commander
Magistrate's Scepter is actually quite good in EDH though and I don't feel like it deserves a place on this list. Very easy to use it in combination with untap artifacts and proliferation artifacts to take infinite extra turns.
Did you not listen to his explanation of the rating system
My favourite time walk story: artifact edh deck decided to go off, played expropriate, and got 4 turns due to ugins nexus. His response was to sacrifice it, but one of the opponents flashed in a clone to copy it. He wasted 15 mana to get nothing.
He scooped soon after.
I think this is the first worst of list ever that I have thought to myself "I have played half of these cards." Chance for glory is a wonderful linchpin in rainbow lich. Timestream Navigator is a two card combo with Ajani, Valiant Protector (the aether revolt planeswalker deck one). Granted it was fragile and you could only run Timestream for creatures, but you were playing a control deck around it anyways. It was actually pretty viable in Rivals of Ixalan standard. and fun fact, Megosi, the waterveil goes infinite with two chronomantic escapes. not amazing, but my cousin used to play it in a UW modern turbofog deck.
I like to consider the top 10 best time walks to be the top 10 worst time walks -.-
Chance for glory + platinum angel could do something tbh
Oh man, somebody doesn't play commander
Majority of his top 10s are based on EDH statistics drawn from deck submission.
Your subjectively driven comment does not change the text box on these cards.
They are bad.
So do play Wormfang Manta with Torpor Orb, but not with Yarok, the Desecrated. Okay I'll try to keep that straight
I made a wormfang manta combo deck torpor orb or the clones wormfang manta and eldrazi displacer for inf turns it worked a few times but super inconsistent
I'd say Magistrate's Scepter can be pretty good in a dedicated proliferate deck. Even though it looks below curve, it compensates by not destroying or exiling itself, so you can go infinite with it fairly easily compared to other Time Walks.
I don’t really disagree with its place on this list, but I personally use second chance in an edh deck for its potential to infinitely combo off of form of the dragon and things like mistveil plains after enduring ideal, so it does have some.. very niche use. It’s one of the more flimsy wincons in the deck, but it’s fun, it works, and the deck generally needs a few ways to win so it isn’t screwed if just one wincon is out of reach
Chance for glory is great way underrated
Nope, if you win the game with it most time you had won it without it
And often it gives you card disadvantage because it is on your hand without any use
The card has a special place in Magic it can be strong played it in limited had some great risky wins throught it.
And i saw some Decks in Standart who used it to great effect, but Most of the time it is just a win harder card
@@zulfyby thats the point, other cards are more usefull
@@zulfyby thats the point, other cards are more useful and more often useful
@@redstonepro5412 yeah ofc, but atleast wanted to make a point for the card.
Which is a wonderful word play, as a card in german it translates into smth. like: "Betting everything on one card" and that is more alligned with the gameplay of the card
Chance for Glory is a three cost "double the damage you have on the board" if you play it alone.
Plus, you're playing Boros. You should have enough removal between white and red to blow through for lethal in two turns.
Honestly now that Archfiend of Despair is a card, Temporal Extortion now reads "your opponent may choose to either give you an extra turn, or lose the game at the end of your turn"
Magistrates scepter is op in a proliferate deck because if you are proliferating 3 times each turn then you get infinite extra turns if you play it right (you will run out of dice before you run out of cards)