Drum Set Snare Drums Part 3- Metal Drums-
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Here is Part 3 of Drum Set Snare Drums. This video demonstrates the differences between modern and vintage metal drums (with a plastic Vistalite thrown in).
The drums demonstrated in this video are:
1. Sonor Horst Link HLD593 Cast Bronze Snare 14"x 3.5"
2. Yamaha David Garibaldi Brass Snare 14"x 3.5
3. Ludwig 1920's Brass Snare 14"x 5"
4. Leedy Chrome Over Brass (COB) Snare 14 x 5.5"
5. Gretsch COB 14"x 5.5" Snare
6. Slingerland Heavy Brass Snare 12"x 7"
7. GMS Bell Brass Snare 13"x 6"
8. Ludwig Supraphonic 1960's COB Snare 14" x 5"
9. Ludwig Supraphonic Steel Snare 14" x 5"
10. Ludwig Super Sensitive COB Snare 14" x 5"
11. Ludwig Acrolite Snare 14" x 5"
12. Ludwig Acrolite Black Galaxy Snare 14" x 5"
13. Ludwig Vistalite Snare 14"x 5"
Great videos! Besides all your excellent snare drums and your knowledge, what struck me most was your calm and nice way of delievering it. Please do that more often, more snares, more cymbals, more bass drums....
Thanks Tobias, I will do that. Stay safe.
Wow, excellent video as usual, great demo and the Yamaha piccolo is incredible. I live in Canada and the cheapest ludwig snares you can get at a pawn shop, marketplace or flee market are supralite 14" x 6.5" or 14" x 8" which is much less responsive, loud and ringy. Supraphonic are about 500$ for the chrome & alloy and 800$ for the chrome over brass. The market just sky rocketed those last few years!
Try to find a Slingerland Sound King feom the 60's or 70's.
Best cheap snare drum ever made.
@@rickdior Awesome! There's actually 2 of them nearby for 500$ each, not sure if it's worth that money though. You definitely have a goldmine with your snare collection Rick ;)
Very nice and informative video. I see the three videos with pop corns. Thank you very much for do this. Greetings from Chile!
LOVE LOVE LOVE the chrome over aluminum supras! IMHO you can't beat that short dry note you get with the old aluminum snares, best bang for your buck out there. Supra or Acro can't go wrong, they are the Estwing hammers of drums!
Absolutely! Love my ‘83 Acro.
It’s my only metal snare!
Second this!
Terrific video, rick! along w/MASTERFUL playing -just about most KNOWLEDGABLE person when comes to gear!!!
Very nice job very informative video and historical in a sense, I did see all three parts. Hey, no one's talking about how great the audio is on this video. And lastly, thank you for having the balls to say what some people would be afraid to say about some drums
I have five metal shell snare drums in my collection: Ludwig 5 x 14" Supersensitive, Ludwig 5 x 14" Black Galaxy Acrolite, Tama 6 1/2 x 14" brass, Rogers 5 x 14" COB Dynasonic, and a Ludwig Carl Palmer signature 3.7 x 14" brass. My favorite is the Carl Palmer Signature, followed closely by the Tama 6 1/2 x 14". I toned down the Tama a bit by putting on a Remo Fiberskyn batter head, wood batter hoop, and bronze snare wires. The Carl Palmer Signature snare has a very wide tuning range considering it's shallow depth, and the die cast hoops make for incredible rimshots. I too have a preference for wood shell snare drums but when I want a sharper crack I go for a metal shell drum. I really like that Leedy drum. Great video.
Awesome vids. My favourite site. Greatly appreciated, Ty! Learning so much invaluable info I could otherwise go lifetimes playing and never learn. I’ve Black Beauty Hammered P-70 super sensitive, Old $50. ebay Acro, love them.
Great video! Thank you for sharing these sounds and your experience! BTW 26:05 you can check whether it's steel using a magnet
Hi Rick. Thanks for these videos. I have spent the last 3 hours in pure joy in isolation. I am an avid snare collector and geek. I feel your passion and you have a great way and warm personality which make your videos so watchable. I love all your snares. I have 20. Mostly vintage Ludwig, Gretsch, Slingerlands and Rogers. Wood and metal. The 400 and 402 are my favourite metals. Nice that you mentioned Bonzo. He used a Vistalite kit with a 402 snare though. Always. Actually, did you know Steve Gadd used a Vistalite snare like yours on Stelly Dan's 'Josie' from the Aja album? Great work, dear man. I am looking forward to some more. So enjoyable. You are the best! Jem )
Hi Jem
Thanks for the info and for watching
goesjem the drummer on steely dan josie was actually jim keltner, but as for the snare. i did hear that it was a vistalite also.
Great content and playing. Thank you
The second snare may be chrome over aluminum....
Thanks Daniel, I appreciate that.
John Bonham used a Vistalite kit live quite often but not the snare. He used a 6.5 x 14 Ludwig Supraphonic 402 for his snare. Great video and a very enviable collection you have
You are correct, but I really love the sound of that vistalite snare. Thanks for watching
Great job!
In one of your snare drum videos, you mention that you prefer 5" depth for metal snares but 6.5" for wood. Why do you like a deeper depth for wood snares in jazz music?
I like a deeper sound for playing jazz most of the time. You need a wood drum to be a bit deeper than a metal drum to achieve this although head choice makes a huge difference.
@@rickdior Thanks, Rick. Why do you like the deeper sound for jazz? It seems like deeper shells were more common in the big band area. Shells got shallower for bop, and now they're all over the place. Do you have a particular rationale, or is it just sheer preference?
I like the way deeper wood drums sound with my older cymbals which are old K's and A's. I also like to keep the snare tension a bit looser than normal.
One of my favorite wood snares is an old WFL Ray McKinley drum. Very dark.
I also like copper snares for jazz. They are not too bright and those are great in a shallower depth. It just depends on the sound you like. There are no rules and don't let anyone tell you that there are.
Jim Keltner used a vistalite on Josie by Steely Dan!
Thanks for all good info.
What are the red squares that are on the Leedy and the black ones on the one Ludwig Supra. Just protection?
They keep the drum from marking up my first tom above the snare. I call them bumpers.
thanks for these videos rick, amazing! do you prefer wood or metal snares for small group jazz settings? any recommendations? thanks!
Hi
I usually use a wood snare for playing jazz but occasionally I will use a brass or COB ( chrome over brass) drum.
Thanks
Love the LUDWIG COB..👍🏿
Pity there were no bronze snares ..
Ringo actually used a Ludwig Jazz Festival..
Dove posso comprare il rullante di David caribaldi
I want the gms sound with snare
Mr. Dior are you sure it's chrome over steel? 26:02
Yes
I have a COB as well so its easy to tell the difference.
If you take the heads off and sand a very small spot of the chrome coating you can see if it is or its not brass. It also may be chrome over aluminum but its not brass.
Dove potrei trovare il rullante devid Garibaldi Yamaha
Le tambour n’est plus produit, mais vous pouvez les trouver sur le marché d’occasion de temps en temps.
The drum is no longer produced but you can find them on the used market every once in a while.
Hi. What do you think about the rubber gaskets under the lugs?
What drum are you talking about?
@@rickdior metal snare drums of course
@@rickdior or, can you count how many snares of you have rubber gaskets on? Thanks
hi Rick! whats your opinion on Dixon snares?? and on maple 3.5 piccolo snares?
Hi Francisco. I can't help you with that since I have not played on any Dixon Snares. I do have a few old Ludwig 3.5 piccolo snare drums and I love them.
@@rickdior Oh cool. I really want to get into snares but i dont know whit what to start... I was thinking buyin' a 14 3.5 maple snare because its small size but i was wondering that it might be less versatile than a 14x5.5
Also if i bought a 5.5, i dont know if a metal or a wooden will suit me better. I cannot test them because of the pandemic :/
A Ludwig Supraphonic is a good all round metal drum.
The Pearl Sensitone drums are a cheaper alternative.
Some of the wood Pork Pie drums are a great deal for the money.
@@rickdior thanks mate. U think metal resonates more tham wood? Or is more complicated than that?
What do you think about a 14 by 5 pearl phosphor bronze sensitone.
Hey Rick, I would love to do a lesson. I sent a text but didn’t hear back. Maybe I don’t have your correct number.
Hi Chris
I did not get your text. You may have an old #.
Email me at rickdior@gmail.com and we can get together.
Thanks
Rick
Love the sound of both, but I really love that Sonor, but I finally came across one for sale that’s not just beat to hell and you were very correct about expensive. It was priced at $1500, which might be worth it for some people, but I still am looking for my first snare upgrade, so that’s definitely a bit much for me and my budget.
I play a Pearl Decade Maple that I just expanded to a 24, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 and 14x5.5, so I really have a ton of choices with having a maple kit that can be tuned from low to high, which has allowed me to look at snares like the Pearl Free Floating Snares or the Tama SLP G-Maple or the one where the company uses a metal body with custom patina but combines it with wood and has the bearing edges all wood.
I remember that Buddy Rich loved to play a fiberglass snare made by Fibes. I was wondering if you have any views on it, and why aren't more fiberglass snares made today?
I have played various fiberglass snares and they always sound and feel little funny to me. The Vistalite Snare I play at the end of the video is similar in sound. I'm not sure why Buddy went back to his wood snares but I bet that had something to do with it.
There are companies that still make plexiglass, glass and fiberglass snares. I just don't think they sell very well for the reason I stated above.
Thanks
Rick
Thank you for the quick response!
Trick throw? Doesn't look like a trick. It's a Nickelworks I believe.
Yes it is