Ski helmets are technically supposed to break upon impact to soften the blow of the crash. Even the manufacturer will say it can only withstand one crash before replacing.
They seem really similar to most downhill bike helmets too, thin outer shell with some sort of foam inner that absorbs impact but only supposed to take one hit. Makes for a lightweight helmet but they do say very clearly that even if it appears undamaged from the outside it is to be thrown away after one hit since the inner won't provide the same protection more than once.
not exactly so. It's about slowing down the bat as much as possible while speeding up your head as slowly as possible. Also spread the impact to a larger area of your head. High acceleration is what kills you. So you want your head to comfortably accelerate up to bat speed so the "impact" is nonexistant.
Especially if it cracks open like an egg. That is why you actually want to use porcelain bowls instead of healmets. I always use them and as you have probably figured out by now my head works as good as any could ever!
@@shydead1392 a porcelain bowl would split open even easier; actually. It's mass could take up a bit of the impact energy but it'll do nothing for buffering the force. Also it's useless as a helmet for use in crashing. It stops external light objects.
I hadn’t gone skiing for years, then I finally went again and the first run I knocked myself out and apparently slid a few hundred metres on my back. The following day I grabbed a helmet, which I then near broke off my head when I crashed head first in to a rock. Definitely worth wearing them, as I will be again from here on out.
@@xenonram Incorrect. Think of how a car will deform around the occupants in an accident in order to dissipate the energy and increase the deceleration time. A helmet serves a similar purpose. Once it has been involved in a collision its protective properties have been degraded and so warrant a replacement. You wouldn't carry on driving your car after an accident after all.
Did you miss how the 300 USD helmet results in /LESS/ trauma. A better helmet can be the difference between being able to throw it out after a trauma or asking your care-home worker to do it for you.
Having getting knocked out after hitting a patch of ice and slamming into a light pole (which was thankfully padded) I'm not sure if getting smacked by a bat would be better or worse
@@startedtech Oh ok, sorry not tryna be a dick. So when the moment of impact came, did you feel the hit? Or was it like an instant KO and you felt nothing?
What do you choose to be used around your head: Option A: Actual screws & metal hardware Option B: Hot.. *interrupted* Option B, I choose option B! Smth tells me I should minimize the number of metal screws pointing my head.
You guys are doing God's work. My work closed with Covid so for right now breaking my back at a shipping warehouse. When I get home from work at 4am, I'm not looking to heat up a healthy meal and watch Smarter Every Day I kick off my boots and watch you guys lick things that you just cut in half with insanely expensive equipment, all while trying to beat my previous record for finishing a whole tube of Pringles in one sitting
I was hit by a drunk driver doing 45mph while i was cycling. My Giro helmet saved my life. It cracked from the top down to the front and down the left side. That helmet is why I'm alive.
that and you didn't have any internal organs rupture from the impact. thats what killed a freind of mine several years ago. he was riding his motorcycle to work got hit going through a intersection and died from internal bleeding but had no brain damage due to helmet. helmets are great but they don't guarantee ur survival
ski helmets are supposed to break on impact so your head doesn't absorb the brunt of the force. So if you noticed on the first hit with the bat, the watermelon wasn't damaged at all. with the other cheaper helmet, it transferred all the force to the watermelon, i.e. would have been the human head. That green helmet did its job 100%.
I'm annoyed that you guys didn't bother to come up with a swinging weight system to hit the helmets with consistency. Sure, it's still not a comprehensive test with a sample size of one but at least the results would have meant something! It would have been so quick to set up and made the video far more interesting.
as my uncle can attest to the more expensive the helmet the better. he went head over heels into a tree head first, split his helmet in two and the company sent him a brand new one as a replacement
You should realize that the expensive one is designed to be bent to reduce the shock. It’s like how Tesla design its cars for perfect crash tests. It keeps bending until it reaches the body in front of the passengers. So having the less expensive helmet could cause brain damage.
It looked like the $30 helmet was non-MIPS. MIPS is the standard in concussion protection. You can get a helmet with MIPS for $40, you don’t need to spend $300.
I always thought the general consensus in the community was that past a certain point, which is actually quite a low price, you're not paying for less weight, not more protection. I'd be interested to see a ~$80-100 vs. a $300+ helmet. I know the upper end of rock climbing helmets look decidedly weaker than the cheap models, but they weigh far less.
As far as I know all helmets are made to be a one time use. If you get hit on the head you’re supposed to get a new helmet and just throw out the old one so most helmets reflect that.
Yup,these guys haven't a clue ,even the cheap helmet easily has enough foam to save your life hitting a tree or the floor ,nobody is gonna hit you with a bat while skiing i hope 😉 😀, throw away and always buy new for a fresh accident.
you may think this ironic but their (what, like 500 grand?) piece of equipment is NOT easy to program in 5th axis. the controls are very archaic and outdated. Seems to be a trend with industrial things. Not user friendly.
That $300 helmet also looks like it has Mips in it, it’s the yellow layer. Mips is a technology that allows the helmet to have a great degree of motion when the helmet impacts, this mitigates neck injuries.
You should have tried a racing helme t that has the shell also over the ears. both of these have pretty much the same chance of saving you the smith just feels better
Not sure I agree with this, if the metric is protection it isn't clear that the higher priced helmet is better. I'm sure the more expensive one is comfier and easier to live with though which probably makes it worth the extra.
The 300 compressed more so it can absorb more impact, if you got into a car accident would you want the car to stay ridged or compress and absorb the impact
7 Time Formula 1 World Champion - Michael Schumacher suffered a horrible skiing head strike injury back in 2014. He's still in a coma, even to this day :(
I know we’re not looking for perfection here but I think the results would’ve been a little more accurate if you put the melons in the helmets and dropped them from the same height. Anyway, maybe you could try something with motorcycle helmets and the guillotine. Try putting those foam mannequin heads in them.
You failed to mention that the 300$ helmet also has MIPS technology which is a separate company from Smith that is in that inner neon green layer. It helps to reduce rotational impact which causes a lot of brain damage.
Hey 2 years ago you did a video on the air duster cans and the cab shot in the wall but you never made a vid to see what that would do to sum so yaw should do that
It’s obvious the more you spend the more you get. The helmet acts like the crumple zone in a car, the helmet will get destroyed but hopefully you head will survive. Thanks for the review.
I will say this.ore expensive gear generally does protect you better. You gotta keep in mind it's to help protect you against falling AND the elements. Ya don't have to go big when buying a helmet but don't go overwhelmingly cheap. Make sure the helmet is snug but tight.
i don't think that's necessarily true. the material in the helmet dampens the impact but not bounce. Similar to the car engine bay design. You want the maximum amount of energy converted into heat like a blub of cley instead of acting like a spring.
I had a skiing accident when I was in middle school. I went to the top of the mountain with some friends and otw down I didn't care much for skiing properly and I just wanted to go fast so I pretty much gunned it down the mountain. It was epic, I was getting airtime over bumps and having a great time until some douchebag turned in front of me and kicked up a ton of snow in my face. It got in my eyes, so now I was flying down the mountain unable to see anything and at some point I hit a woman. The woman was okay thankfully but I woke up on the ground with blood on my gloves and I couldn't breathe because I had the wind knocked out of me. My ski poles were bent and had been fling pretty far from me and they ended up taking me down in a stretcher. I think I messed something up inside because I had a pain in my gut for the next few weeks. It was fun af tho
I would think a similar mindset applies to motorcycle helmets. It might be expensive but I'd rather have an expensive helmet and a headache vs a cheap helmet and brain leaks.
Hey, just out of curiosity, what is the nozzle for the jet made from? Surely you'd have to replace the nozzle every so often because the hole would get bigger over time? Thanks! Great vid!
They’ve talked about this before on one of their videos about the water jet itself. I don’t remember specifics, but they do have to change out the nozzle fairly regularly
@@B0Oty if they use the garnet abrasuve it cuts down the usable time on the nozzle drastically. Almost by a factor of 10. It goes from 100 hours of use to about 10 (thats an example, i dont know exactly but thats what i remember.)
Water jet channel. Where the experiments are random and the results are not understood
You get the thrills of science while still living happily in ignorance
Ski helmets are technically supposed to break upon impact to soften the blow of the crash. Even the manufacturer will say it can only withstand one crash before replacing.
Many quality ski helmets are built with multi impact foam technology.
@@cameratool how much do you trust that
@@llab3903 My wallet trusts that, and my wallet gets the final say
They seem really similar to most downhill bike helmets too, thin outer shell with some sort of foam inner that absorbs impact but only supposed to take one hit. Makes for a lightweight helmet but they do say very clearly that even if it appears undamaged from the outside it is to be thrown away after one hit since the inner won't provide the same protection more than once.
According to all the motorcycle gear stores, "A dropped helmet is a bought helmet."
the highlight is always seeing Craig in the background, doing real work...
why the flag bud?
More helmet damage = less head damage
not exactly so. It's about slowing down the bat as much as possible while speeding up your head as slowly as possible. Also spread the impact to a larger area of your head. High acceleration is what kills you. So you want your head to comfortably accelerate up to bat speed so the "impact" is nonexistant.
Especially if it cracks open like an egg. That is why you actually want to use porcelain bowls instead of healmets. I always use them and as you have probably figured out by now my head works as good as any could ever!
@@shydead1392 a porcelain bowl would split open even easier; actually. It's mass could take up a bit of the impact energy but it'll do nothing for buffering the force. Also it's useless as a helmet for use in crashing. It stops external light objects.
Not exactly.
The green one was better, because in fact, the hexagon, is the bestagon.
Sodium Chloride I just watch that video. Haha great reference
It's like a cult.
also, the 300 bucks helmet has mips technology which makes it safer for angled impacts than the cheap one
If that helmet didn't have all those vents it wouldn't need MIPS. FIS RH 2013 approved helmets have smooth exteriors for a reason.
...the cheap one also had vents. Most all consumer-level ski and bike helmets have vents. So yeah, the MIPS makes it safer
You can buy helmets with MIPS that are under $100
I hadn’t gone skiing for years, then I finally went again and the first run I knocked myself out and apparently slid a few hundred metres on my back.
The following day I grabbed a helmet, which I then near broke off my head when I crashed head first in to a rock.
Definitely worth wearing them, as I will be again from here on out.
Maybe you should rethink that whole "skiing" idea...
@@blacklupus that’s why they make helmets! 🤣
@@blacklupus what I was thinking
@@Arsopu as a last resort. You’re not expected to hit your head
@@llab3903 I didn’t expect to haha
So if the helmet cracks its actually better cause it means it did its job and didn't crack your skull
8:38
Is nobody gonna talk about how the expensive one will ram a screw in your skull if you hit the wrong spot?
After a crash your helmet will stay attached to your head permanently. Good design.
if you hit something your head so hard that the screw would ram into your head, you're more than likely dead before the screw touches you.
Yeah I have the expensive helmet and that sharp screw kind of worries me
"Heads up at all times" That sounds like legit good advice for working on a ski slope.
A solid tungsten helmet would be unscathed too. Cars have crumple zones to absorb impact.
pure tungsten is fragile. like ceramic, it's very hard but impact will shatter it.
That ol saying.. if it cracks the foam, it cracks the dome. Lol
5:20 generally if something rhymes it makes the statement true.
The $30 helmet is fine. Even if you have a $300 helmet, you're supposed to throw it out after a trauma. NO helmet is supposed to be reused.
That is only true for motorcycle helmets. Imagine having to replace a football helmet everything's it has an impact. Lol
@@xenonram Incorrect. Think of how a car will deform around the occupants in an accident in order to dissipate the energy and increase the deceleration time. A helmet serves a similar purpose.
Once it has been involved in a collision its protective properties have been degraded and so warrant a replacement. You wouldn't carry on driving your car after an accident after all.
@@_IHateHandles_ hey man if it runs it runs. Aint got time for a damn tow
Did you miss how the 300 USD helmet results in /LESS/ trauma. A better helmet can be the difference between being able to throw it out after a trauma or asking your care-home worker to do it for you.
Everyone, they used a freaking melon...
“I feel like Rafiki”
Rumors are that the red line Rafiki drew on Simba's head was the mark where to hit it...
Having getting knocked out after hitting a patch of ice and slamming into a light pole (which was thankfully padded) I'm not sure if getting smacked by a bat would be better or worse
What is it like getting knocked out?
@@xwechamp Uh
next thing you know you just wake up with medics around you and your head hurts
@@startedtech Oh ok, sorry not tryna be a dick. So when the moment of impact came, did you feel the hit? Or was it like an instant KO and you felt nothing?
@@xwechamp ive fainted before and if getting k.oed is the same then its instant lights out for you
@@jaydee2824 Oh shit, thanks for letting me know man. Just curious about it, because I’ve never experienced anything like it.
Honeycomb in that ornientation seems like it would direct the force straight into your head instead of spreading it out. Weird
It dampens the impact because the honeycombs collapse and absorb the energy
What do you choose to be used around your head:
Option A: Actual screws & metal hardware
Option B: Hot.. *interrupted*
Option B, I choose option B! Smth tells me I should minimize the number of metal screws pointing my head.
You guys are doing God's work. My work closed with Covid so for right now breaking my back at a shipping warehouse.
When I get home from work at 4am, I'm not looking to heat up a healthy meal and watch Smarter Every Day
I kick off my boots and watch you guys lick things that you just cut in half with insanely expensive equipment, all while trying to beat my previous record for finishing a whole tube of Pringles in one sitting
I was hit by a drunk driver doing 45mph while i was cycling. My Giro helmet saved my life. It cracked from the top down to the front and down the left side. That helmet is why I'm alive.
that and you didn't have any internal organs rupture from the impact. thats what killed a freind of mine several years ago. he was riding his motorcycle to work got hit going through a intersection and died from internal bleeding but had no brain damage due to helmet. helmets are great but they don't guarantee ur survival
In the event of a head indury I would think you want the helmet to break and obsorb the impact.
Sonny Bono, skis, horses and hittin' some trees
I stumbled across this channel to watch shit get cut in half with a waterjet but was presented so much more, love the channel
Thank you guys for the escape from reality!!! Every video helps!!!
“Heads up at all times” was a nice bow to put at the end ✌️ don’t be mean guys
The compression is what saves you from a tbi.
ski helmets are supposed to break on impact so your head doesn't absorb the brunt of the force. So if you noticed on the first hit with the bat, the watermelon wasn't damaged at all. with the other cheaper helmet, it transferred all the force to the watermelon, i.e. would have been the human head. That green helmet did its job 100%.
Also the MIPs system in the $300 helmet reduces strain on the neck if you crash!
It prevents / lowers the chance of concussions.
Mitchell getting hit is how he gets a raise
I'm annoyed that you guys didn't bother to come up with a swinging weight system to hit the helmets with consistency. Sure, it's still not a comprehensive test with a sample size of one but at least the results would have meant something! It would have been so quick to set up and made the video far more interesting.
I want to know if a helmet is safer or more dangerous if it is covered with resin
Do you guys have any info on what happened to Westshop?
They moved to another state
@@frumbo7394 Yes but considering they were friends with these guys, they may know why they haven't uploaded a video in months.
I was wondering the same, also I am interested in what happened to the snowcat!
as my uncle can attest to the more expensive the helmet the better. he went head over heels into a tree head first, split his helmet in two and the company sent him a brand new one as a replacement
What if the bat had struck where the screw was?
free lobotomy.
Heck 1 of those snowboarding deaths just happend to a guy I work with.
You should realize that the expensive one is designed to be bent to reduce the shock. It’s like how Tesla design its cars for perfect crash tests. It keeps bending until it reaches the body in front of the passengers. So having the less expensive helmet could cause brain damage.
Where are you guys? that mountain range is gorgeous!
According to the channel description, they’re in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Those are the Wasatch mountains in Salt Lake City!
It looked like the $30 helmet was non-MIPS. MIPS is the standard in concussion protection. You can get a helmet with MIPS for $40, you don’t need to spend $300.
Idea: Clean your tank. Throughly. And then swim in it
This channel is legendary
You should glue the two halves together, shave Mitchell’s head then hot glue the new helmet to his head to test its strength
Break the foam break the dome my new life moto
What's going on with Westshop? It's been almost 9 months since you've posted.
Awesome water JET
Good to know! Thank you so much!
This is why I wear a $600 Carbon fiber FULL FACE mountain bike helmet!
I always thought the general consensus in the community was that past a certain point, which is actually quite a low price, you're not paying for less weight, not more protection. I'd be interested to see a ~$80-100 vs. a $300+ helmet. I know the upper end of rock climbing helmets look decidedly weaker than the cheap models, but they weigh far less.
Merry Christmas waterjet boys
remember sweat in the snow turns to ice vents are good
The compression is by design it takes longer for the force to translate to your head its the mips technology in the helmet
Gosh such a cute one grey jacket 😊
As far as I know all helmets are made to be a one time use. If you get hit on the head you’re supposed to get a new helmet and just throw out the old one so most helmets reflect that.
Yup,these guys haven't a clue ,even the cheap helmet easily has enough foam to save your life hitting a tree or the floor ,nobody is gonna hit you with a bat while skiing i hope 😉 😀, throw away and always buy new for a fresh accident.
No one is talking about the amazing mountain view
They have a 5 axis water jet.....
C'mon guys..... use it and follow the contour of the helmet.
you may think this ironic but their (what, like 500 grand?) piece of equipment is NOT easy to program in 5th axis. the controls are very archaic and outdated. Seems to be a trend with industrial things. Not user friendly.
That $300 helmet also looks like it has Mips in it, it’s the yellow layer. Mips is a technology that allows the helmet to have a great degree of motion when the helmet impacts, this mitigates neck injuries.
The dialog is hilarious 🤣 funny numbered bros
Fun vid, thanks. Think the multiple layers on the expensive helmet for protection from rotational forces?
You should have tried a racing helme t that has the shell also over the ears. both of these have pretty much the same chance of saving you the smith just feels better
I love watching you ❤
Not sure I agree with this, if the metric is protection it isn't clear that the higher priced helmet is better.
I'm sure the more expensive one is comfier and easier to live with though which probably makes it worth the extra.
The 300 compressed more so it can absorb more impact, if you got into a car accident would you want the car to stay ridged or compress and absorb the impact
Honeycomb, more like Honeyfoam.
Ha.
Got ‘em!
These dudes look like the cousins of the UA-camrs of the channel "TheStraightPipes"
7 Time Formula 1 World Champion - Michael Schumacher suffered a horrible skiing head strike injury back in 2014. He's still in a coma, even to this day :(
Not to be 'that guy', but it was 2013 and he's in a vegetative state. The coma was medically induced and only lasted for 6 months.
you should have used an fis race helmet, they offer alot more protection at that lower price point
You guys should see if you can get through tungsten with the 60,000 psi water jet
I looked it up it’s really a 300$ helmet 🪖
Subscribed, y’all are funny 😆
I know we’re not looking for perfection here but I think the results would’ve been a little more accurate if you put the melons in the helmets and dropped them from the same height. Anyway, maybe you could try something with motorcycle helmets and the guillotine. Try putting those foam mannequin heads in them.
Mitchell is the highlight
Try putting graphene under the waterjet
this was cool and informative, thank you.
8:39 Looks like if you took a really hard hit just right your head would be screwed!
Ther's nothing Better than a Bike's HELMET
“Head sweater” 😂😅
Ski helmets are only designed to take one blow
People will still argue wearing a helmet
You failed to mention that the 300$ helmet also has MIPS technology which is a separate company from Smith that is in that inner neon green layer. It helps to reduce rotational impact which causes a lot of brain damage.
You guys have a nice view outside of the shop🏔
Hey 2 years ago you did a video on the air duster cans and the cab shot in the wall but you never made a vid to see what that would do to sum so yaw should do that
Why did you need to go through the helmet twice with the water-jet?
It’s obvious the more you spend the more you get. The helmet acts like the crumple zone in a car, the helmet will get destroyed but hopefully you head will survive. Thanks for the review.
Awesome video great demonstration🔥
Missed an opportunity to call it honeyfoam.
I will say this.ore expensive gear generally does protect you better. You gotta keep in mind it's to help protect you against falling AND the elements. Ya don't have to go big when buying a helmet but don't go overwhelmingly cheap. Make sure the helmet is snug but tight.
I feel like comfort is definitely something to consider
yes
i don't think that's necessarily true. the material in the helmet dampens the impact but not bounce. Similar to the car engine bay design. You want the maximum amount of energy converted into heat like a blub of cley instead of acting like a spring.
The better the compression the better the protection.
can a water jet cut oobleck???
I so wish I worked at the produce dept you guys shopped at
Can we get a "bro 1" t-shirt with a silhouette of one of those "bros" in the design?
can you test the outdoor master mips helmet and cut it open?
I had a skiing accident when I was in middle school. I went to the top of the mountain with some friends and otw down I didn't care much for skiing properly and I just wanted to go fast so I pretty much gunned it down the mountain. It was epic, I was getting airtime over bumps and having a great time until some douchebag turned in front of me and kicked up a ton of snow in my face. It got in my eyes, so now I was flying down the mountain unable to see anything and at some point I hit a woman. The woman was okay thankfully but I woke up on the ground with blood on my gloves and I couldn't breathe because I had the wind knocked out of me. My ski poles were bent and had been fling pretty far from me and they ended up taking me down in a stretcher. I think I messed something up inside because I had a pain in my gut for the next few weeks. It was fun af tho
I would think a similar mindset applies to motorcycle helmets. It might be expensive but I'd rather have an expensive helmet and a headache vs a cheap helmet and brain leaks.
It was better to drop them from the same height, because, you know, you rather hit your head on the ground than get hit by a bat while skiing xD
Hey, just out of curiosity, what is the nozzle for the jet made from? Surely you'd have to replace the nozzle every so often because the hole would get bigger over time? Thanks! Great vid!
They’ve talked about this before on one of their videos about the water jet itself. I don’t remember specifics, but they do have to change out the nozzle fairly regularly
@@ryanthomas5962 ahh thank you. I had suspected so. If anyone has any further details, I'd love to hear them!
@@B0Oty if they use the garnet abrasuve it cuts down the usable time on the nozzle drastically. Almost by a factor of 10. It goes from 100 hours of use to about 10 (thats an example, i dont know exactly but thats what i remember.)
@@julymorris6367 wow that's pretty crazy. Cheers for sharing that!
How does Mitchell know what head taste like
Any helmet ⛑️ is better than none
Who can picture the exact scene from lion King... I feel like rafiki... hilarious
Weird Al yankovic has really taken a career change