That's crazy I just got finished watching another video of a Dark Horse on the dyno and it only put down 408 hp I knew that didn't seem right when I saw it I figured about 430hp that's inspiring what's a few mods going to be very impressive love with the team at Ford is doing keep up the good work
Every Dyno is different tho. I'm sure u know that but elevation, temp, humidity, if your lady is on her rag, and make of the dyno will make different numbers.
Stock GT350s pulled 455-465, my stock 2018 GT PP2 pulled 431 so this is right about where it should be. Screen shows SAE 5 smoothing so no cheating on the dyno here. Good job.
@@chucktaylor9190 I saw that article regarding the GT350. The Voodoo produced 526 horsepower at the crank. I'm confused how it could product horsepower ratings between 500 to 468 RWH horsepower from different pulls. Maybe the guys making the Dark Horse pulls have an explanation. I believe it has something to do with the speed limiter or a different type of Dyno used back in 2018.
Yeah because Steeda’s Darkhorse was a 10speed and did the pull in 5th instead of 7th due to the speed limiter. That makes a big difference. Also Manuals put down more power period.
Still beat the 2016 narrowbody challenger 392 I had. Was 414whp stock with th 8spd auto. I really want a darkhorse, but I already have too many V8s in my garage (four) and really need something that’s fuel efficient before oil reaches $300 a barrel.
Crazy that car puts down a good 100 horsepower more to the wheels than my gen 1 coyote 2012 GT does and that car ran a 12.90 stock with an MT82. Such a great engine the coyote platform turned out to be. I expected it to outperform the 3v be a good engine but it's really gone above and beyond my expectations.
Would be interesting to know ambient temp and humidity during testing. People are going to compare dyno runs from different places, because thats what they do. A mid summer dyno run in WI will most likely be different than a dyno run in FL or Texas ... most of the time. Last week it was hot everywhere it seemed.
The dynojet has a weather station that measures all that and corrects the readings to be accurate no matter what the conditions. That’s what you see the SAE in upper right corner of the graph.
@MiddletonMotorsports even if air density and temp are acounded for the car will run more timing if the shop was say 40 cooler. Like your shop in the fall. There's no correction factor for timing retard.
I'm a huge Mustang enthusiast . I have been checking out a few other channels that got the Mustang Dark Horse and views are just not there. Nothing against MM they are amazing. I just think the Dark Horse is not that big of a deal, we as Mustang owners expected so much more out of Ford. If you just go back a few years and see how popular reviews were for the Shelby GT500 Now that was a total redesign and quite the impressive Mustang, so was Shelby GT350 and MACH 1, if we are talking about specialty Mustangs . Ford has that ECU on lock down and I don't see in the future ford is going to make it any easier to tune or modify Mustang/Vehicles that might change, but that depends on the EPA. I do think the Mustang Cobra variant will be the Mustang to get. Great video though 👍
For the price they want for this car I just dont get all the hype over it. Its basically a gt with a few things done to it. I'm a big ford guy m, but the car seem pretty lame for the price
Thy Dyno is in and it basically has the same horsepower as a 2018 and up Mustang . Wow you get 2 Samsung tablets inside the dash and you can sit there and toural you're Mustang on the screen. It is going to be really funny when a 2018 Mustang GT pulls up Next to a dark horse with a few add on's and a tune 😅 Bye Bye
I see gt350s doing 460-470 usually. I mean it's 26 hp less so...which is disappointing considering gt350 came 8 years ago. These are hugely disappointing and very overrated and overpriced I can't beleive people even consider them guess some people just want the "newest" mustang regardless how shit and overpriced it is lol
@@midnight347peak horsepower is a useless number when you're comparing 2 completely different engines. The 5.2 flat plane crank in the 350 doesn't have the low end torque the 5.0 has. That engine was built for road course racing and turning insanely high RPM to get out of corners and down straights quicker. From what I've seen motor trend got a 12.5 1/4 mile out of the dark horse at the Charlotte roval...which may not even be a prepped surface like at a real drag strip. That's basically the same 1/4 mile time as the gt350 and the dark horse is 250 pounds heavier. All things being fair a 24 dark horse would most likely beat a gt350 by a couple tenths on an actual drag strip with a prepped surface. The selling point of the DH is getting the tremec 6 speed. And yes, it's expensive but we're also not living in 2018 prices anymore. Everything has gotten a lot more expensive. Is it worth getting a DH for 65k over a regular GT for maybe 48k? If you have the money, the tremec 6 speed makes it worth the price. The 20 horsepower increase not so much.
@@ryanwinkelman1781Stock Gt350s have gone 11.8. That TREMEC trans ain’t that much stronger than a mt82. Throw some boosted power and they both on borrowed time. With the TREMEC going out first in some cases.
That's awesome. I ordered a DH Premium with all options, including Carbon Fiber Wheels. Just playing the waiting game now. Looks like sometime in late December or early January after speaking to Ford last Friday. Dealership really don't have answers yet. To busy with day to day operations of dealership.
We used track mode. The drag mode definitely shifts harder on the autos and is definitely faster accelerating. We might have to do a mythbuster video on the modes.
@MiddletonMotorsports that would be a good video , there's definitely a difference, sport-plus stops around 6600 RPM with my car and drag mode goes to 7400, the draggy has my car going three tenths quicker in about 2 or 3 mph also... if you care to look at the videos that I have, I removed almost all of them when the vanvoris Brothers got popped by the police with videos of them and their dragy
My 18 GT with the mt82 made 440whp and 409wtq with just a tune installed by the previous owner... Recently deleted the resonator and replaced it with an x-pipe
That 440STD that your car made would be 420SAE. Not to mention this car has a few hundred miles. It will dyno 450SAE with a few thousand miles. It will pick up a few degrees of timing in the cooler fall temps good for another 15-20 whp SAE. We will see many of these things dynoing 460+ SAE, in the fall.
What year is your Mach 1? Mine is a 22 and on the 22s and up they installed a hydrocarbon trap in the CAI. If you remove that that's 18 extra WHP. I recently got a 93 tune and I'm right at 440 now
16 more HP than the GT, honestly I like it but I don’t think it should cost 20k more interior looks damn near identical, exterior is alright just don’t see why people spend 20k more for it when they can get a fully optioned GT
Well it is a track version of the base GT, it's noticeably different exterior wise and in has increased performance overall, there is that difference. If we look at all the special track versions of the cars vs the regular base models like the 350 vs 350R or the GT500 vs GT CFTP, they all cost well above 15 - 18k when you add ONLY those track specs options, other options included increase the price of course. This is not 20k over a base GT, more in line with the 15k - 18k pricing as a base GT Fastback is 41,495 and a Dark Horse is 59,270. This puts it about 17k increase. None of these track pack specs increased the horsepower btw, it simply added more aggressive aerodynamic features and beefed up or increased certain attributes that helped performance overall like the Dark Horse option does. It generally is not that different at all from before where a fully optioned GT350 or GT500 would cost the more or less the price of a track pack specked car with no other options or maybe a few.
I had a maual 6 speed 2012 GT back in the day with 3.73 rear gears, dynoed 422.9 whp factory bone stock becuse it was litterally less than 3 weeks old. This was in july heat of 96° done in 1:1 trans gear. To verify those numbers we used another identical car with 6 speed and 3.73 gears which made much lower nunbers in back to back testing. Also, those same two cars on the street, my car would pull at least 2.5 cars on the other identical equiped car every time.
Thats weird and interesting how 2 different factory engine vehicles can make such different power levels being identical engines, Luck of the draw i guess. I would be upset if i and some other guy left the dealership at the same time after buying two identical cars, then to do a quick 2nd to 4th pull and him be walking away from me.
Ford has typically underrated their cars since they were sued over the Cobra Mustang they released around 2000 that was OVER-rated from the factory and produced notably less HP than advertised. They learned a valuable lesson.
had a 2017 (gen 2) mustang gt that made 450whp and 410wtq with full bolt on + e85. crazy this makes almost the same stock. fbo this thing should make around 500whp (unicorn)
Looks like she makes power a little longer vs the previous gen...500 rpmish with the current state of tune...I'd love to see it spun to 8k...it kinda looks like the gt350
I know the truck is different but the f150 gen 4 coyote has less aggressive cams gen 3 made more power in the higher range. Tuners already know that boss makes less power than gt manifold due to power falling off earlier on gen 4. Lol stupid cylinder deactivation as well
@jhoe1upGuy come guy lol Mustang has different firing order/cams, different heads and obviously the mustang manifold. The truck also makes lower end torque. This is why it's designed different. Probably tuning as well for longevity is not pushed. Gen 3 trucks can Rev to 8k stock can handle 1000hp so
Wonder how much is left on the table by ford in the form of exhaust & tune? Those are some good numbers. Might be pretty optimized from factory? Thoughts? Speculations?
Honestly wasnt suprised it was underated Ford has been that eay on my old 03 Terminator it was a 6 spd and was underated gota love the help from ford on insurance lol
I LOOOVE those new Mustangs. It would be nice to have that new engine, but frankly, I am more about nice looks than raw power. So the 6 would be ok with me. But if I had the money, yeah I would go with that one, just NOT in WHITE. Also, 440hp. Really seems low for that engine. Ford must be releasing them very conservatively. The mod community will have that over 700 with just a few bolt ons I bet.
Ford really is adamant about 11 percent drivetrain loss. GT350 dyno around 470 rwhp claimed 526 hp. This dynoed around 444 rwhp claimed 500. GT500s stock dyno around 670 rwhp. Claimed 760 hp.
That's nuts. I'm really curious what my 2014 C63 would pull on a dyno. Factory numbers are 451hp and 443 foot pounds and that has the 7spd dual clutch auto trans. Where are you guys located?
I honestly wouldn't bother with aftermarket cold air intakes as I can't imagine much restriction. I would just pull the carbon traps and get some low restriction race filters from pmas.
headers pick up 10whp untuned. coyote engine needs vct tweaks "increased overlap" to get the full 17-18whp from the headers. Also need access to adjust o2 transport delays to stabilize fuel trim oscillation (im a tuner). Headers are not worth the hassle unless the ecu tunable.
i built a fully loaded six speed (no recaros) GT and it came out to 59.5k. ended up finding a DH allocation for msrp 2 weeks later. got the handling pack and the recaros and it came out 67k. to me it was a no brainer to get the tremec and all the other goodies with DH for not that much more. plus itll hold its value better down the line
This is a little detail, but I’ve always wondered if their gonna put a speed limiter, why make it 155mph, and not 160mph? Since the speedometer goes to 160mph?
Manual transmission cars typically make more power than automatic transmission vehicles! But this is mine boggling because that’s more than 500 hp at the flywheel
Funny how in 2016 when they changed the Camaro they said it looked like the 2015 mustang. This is a adaptation of that car so it’s weird how they say the mustang copied anything
Seems like the Automatic are getting less hp at the wheels and they are also auto is much heavier transmission. I think for stick shift is the way to go for a dark horse. just dont' race a dark horse with an auto ya might lose :P (just dyno race them instead)
An FBO E85 Gen 1 will get real close to these numbers. With cams getting you closer to 500rwhp. They can be had for mid Teens to maybe the early 20ish range.
@RJ-vg3yu: I went to a seminar by Ford engineers by invitation only: they stated that the ECU/ECM encryption has been provided to Whipple, RTR & Ford Performance inc. So it will take about a year for rest of tuners to secure the data to unlock the encryption.
@gordydexter2615 it's not just that they can see if it's been tampered with and flag it even return it to stock remotely. Only "Ford approved" tunes which are gonna suck compared to real tunes. I don't think it's gonna be figured out like people are assuming. I don't think it'll ever be fully ironed out tuning wise like we're used to up till now.
Charge $20+ thousand for 10-15 more hp over a GT and an SS 1LE.. And less torque than the LT motors.. Its just not worth $70k bucks.. My buddies SS 1LE made 424hp and 428tq last weekend on the dyno before the cam & intake.. His car was $48k.. and has a better transmission. I left Ford and went Camaro too.. Love my ZL1, and glad I grabbed one of the last ones they are gonna make.. Same price as a Dark Horse with forged internals, a blower, and 150 more hp and a bunch more torque.. Sad Chevy is done with them, but Ford is taking advantage of the fact of no more Dodge and Chevy competition and over charging customers for not much performance..
A Dark Horse option costs 17k, and that will land the pricing about 59k not at all 70k or as you said a 20k+ option. It's also 14-20 more hp depending if you didn't have the Performance exhaust option on the base. Either way it's making more hp for a lower price and performing better overall than most of the cars mentioned since they pass 70k and the Dark Horse would require more options added on to reach close to 70k, or you can mod it with the extra cash and beat them all the same. Generally this is good money being spent considering this is cheaper than a 350R which is pretty much comparable to this car in performance overall and the DH should be able to beat it even if down a little on power. All past Ford Mustang trims had a track spec option that would cost about 15-18k like the GT350R or the GT500 CFTP. Both simply added certain parts that helped increase the overall performance without any hp increase itself. This car is cheaper than both and ads a little more hp, more aerodynamic components and better overall performance parts to help it on the track as it's made for.
@raionshishi8290 this thing isn't even touching a gt350 or R. It's down 30 horsepower with a shorter powerband and weighs 270 lbs more. The DH is literally a heavier mach 1 you ain't touching these for 59k, no option DH I seen start in the 65k range, gotta love dealer theft smh.
@@johnflanagan6231 Well the Mach 1 is a little faster than the GT350R, so like I said, it should be capable of either beating it or be comparable in times, also, like I said, it's cheaper, so it being a little slower would not be a big deal at all. Also dealer mark ups exist on any car, so it's still gonna be cheaper since the base price is lower. The point I am making is the pricing matches the performance.
@raionshishi8290 every test except for a track comparison. 1/4 mile gt350 11.7 at 120mph DH 12.5 at 115mph. The dark horse actually brakes better but ever other metric it got slaughtered. The mach 1 was a wash since it beat the 350 on one track while the gt350 beat it on others. The price doesn't match.. I would even bet a 24 gt with performance package will run with a DH just not for long without the coolers
@@johnflanagan6231 The DH is capable of low 12 high and slightly possible high 11, also how exactly does the price not match if it's cheaper ? If it's not faster but is cheaper than that makes sense, it still hangs with them which is kinda the point. I also heavily doubt a PP could hang and like you said it won't for long either if it did at the start, which completely nulls that since a track car is made to keep going consistently around a track and fast.
It's basically a tweaked s550. It looks alot like a 15-17 s550 the shape of the headlights I don't think it looks bad it just doesn't look enough diff from an s550 for an "all new" mustang imo. The locked down ecu and tablets on the dash seal the deal for me I'd rather have an older stang that can be modified. These are overpriced and overrated.
Now these numbers are looking good! Thanks gents great vid phew 😅
Thanks for watching. We enjoy watching your content. 👍🏻
Not for the price but hey to each their own!
I live a half mile from Middleton Motorsports and I can hear that beast on the dyno from my house.
That's crazy I just got finished watching another video of a Dark Horse on the dyno and it only put down 408 hp I knew that didn't seem right when I saw it I figured about 430hp that's inspiring what's a few mods going to be very impressive love with the team at Ford is doing keep up the good work
We were happy with these results. Thanks for watching
Every Dyno is different tho. I'm sure u know that but elevation, temp, humidity, if your lady is on her rag, and make of the dyno will make different numbers.
@markweymouth6368 If it was Steeda, that car was a 10R80, so that would explain some of the difference.
I would add that the 5 liter displacement is capable of up to 500 hp NA. See the video why coyotes make so much power compared to the LS.
That seems more in line than other DH we’ve seen on dyno great job!
Car looks and sounds amazing! Can't wait to see one in person! Love the yote platform! Loves RPM's and boost!
Great Video Middleton Motorsports Team. Great to see these new vehicles tested!
Stock GT350s pulled 455-465, my stock 2018 GT PP2 pulled 431 so this is right about where it should be. Screen shows SAE 5 smoothing so no cheating on the dyno here. Good job.
👍🏻 SAE is the only way to compare with any accuracy
431 stock? Like absolutely stock? I have a 2020 gt pp1 bone stock besides resonator delete and mine to the wheel was low 400’s
It’s whp not crank hp… so delete your comment you sound foolish
Wow 440+ can’t wait ti take it for a spin!
Can’t wait for the driving review
MotorTrend dyno 2019 GT30 was 494 hp and 382 lb-ft at the wheels.
@@chucktaylor9190Sorry. But what's a GT30?
My Bad, GT350 lol@@DWH300
@@chucktaylor9190 I saw that article regarding the GT350. The Voodoo produced 526 horsepower at the crank. I'm confused how it could product horsepower ratings between 500 to 468 RWH horsepower from different pulls. Maybe the guys making the Dark Horse pulls have an explanation. I believe it has something to do with the speed limiter or a different type of Dyno used back in 2018.
Finally some true numbers
Exactly
Picked up new DH today. Premium auto 10speed but no handling pkg. Thanks for the info. Great video.
Congrats on the new car. Enjoy it!
Congrats man, fantastic choice with the auto!
315 gears is due to meeting EPA standards I'm sure. Chevy guy here, but good job ford on keeping the V8 alive ! 👍
Looks good in white, good choice on the manual 💪🏽
So much fun to drive
Wow this is why this car is my dream car😮 amazing job guys at being the first
Love the way it looks in white!
Thanks guys!
Thanks for watching. Glad you liked it
Alright Guys! Great video! Whats up with Steeda only making 408?
87 octane, SMH... should be using 93...
Good question! They mentioned their dyno has been known for low numbers? Ours seems to be accurate to what the ratings are.
It's because of the 10r80 speed limiter and having to dyno in gear that's not 1:1 if that explanation is to be believed....
@@konjiki240sx Middleton Motorsports got the same power (408) out of an automatic stock mustang GT. The darkhorse has 20 more HP at the crank.
10r80, 87 octane, 5th gear = lower numbers.
This is exactly what my 2012 boss 302 makes. I have intake, mild cam, and full exhaust though, impressive this is stock and making that!
440whp… smashed steedas 408
Yeah because Steeda’s Darkhorse was a 10speed and did the pull in 5th instead of 7th due to the speed limiter. That makes a big difference. Also Manuals put down more power period.
We matched the 408hp with our base auto. Maybe their dyno isn’t calibrated or just reads lower. Manual is nice for numbers for sure
@@Mike_OMaraNot only that but every dyno gonna read different
Still beat the 2016 narrowbody challenger 392 I had. Was 414whp stock with th 8spd auto.
I really want a darkhorse, but I already have too many V8s in my garage (four) and really need something that’s fuel efficient before oil reaches $300 a barrel.
@@Mike_OMaraI like driveing manuals so I like hearing that 👍
First Dyno Dark Horse I’ve seen! Great work!!
Full send
Crazy that car puts down a good 100 horsepower more to the wheels than my gen 1 coyote 2012 GT does and that car ran a 12.90 stock with an MT82. Such a great engine the coyote platform turned out to be. I expected it to outperform the 3v be a good engine but it's really gone above and beyond my expectations.
My 2012 ran a 12.6 with just a handheld tune and a k&n drop in and street tires
And that car was 500 lbs lighter. So 1/2 second right there.
It's $70k+. It should make 200 more HP
Would be interesting to know ambient temp and humidity during testing. People are going to compare dyno runs from different places, because thats what they do. A mid summer dyno run in WI will most likely be different than a dyno run in FL or Texas ... most of the time. Last week it was hot everywhere it seemed.
The dynojet has a weather station that measures all that and corrects the readings to be accurate no matter what the conditions. That’s what you see the SAE in upper right corner of the graph.
@MiddletonMotorsports even if air density and temp are acounded for the car will run more timing if the shop was say 40 cooler. Like your shop in the fall. There's no correction factor for timing retard.
I'm a huge Mustang enthusiast . I have been checking out a few other channels that got the Mustang Dark Horse and views are just not there. Nothing against MM they are amazing. I just think the Dark Horse is not that big of a deal, we as Mustang owners expected so much more out of Ford. If you just go back a few years and see how popular reviews were for the Shelby GT500 Now that was a total redesign and quite the impressive Mustang, so was Shelby GT350 and MACH 1, if we are talking about specialty Mustangs . Ford has that ECU on lock down and I don't see in the future ford is going to make it any easier to tune or modify Mustang/Vehicles that might change, but that depends on the EPA. I do think the Mustang Cobra variant will be the Mustang to get. Great video though 👍
Lol, the Darkhorse isn't a big thing anymore because of the GTD. This car was definitely buzzing when it first dropped.
For the price they want for this car I just dont get all the hype over it. Its basically a gt with a few things done to it. I'm a big ford guy m, but the car seem pretty lame for the price
Thy Dyno is in and it basically has the same horsepower as a 2018 and up Mustang .
Wow you get 2 Samsung tablets inside the dash and you can sit there and toural you're Mustang on the screen. It is going to be really funny when a 2018 Mustang GT pulls up Next to a dark horse with a few add on's and a tune 😅 Bye Bye
the mach 1 wasn not good the s550 mach 1
Glad to see the dark horse pulls strong. Looks like it’s closer to gt350 power than first thought
I see gt350s doing 460-470 usually. I mean it's 26 hp less so...which is disappointing considering gt350 came 8 years ago. These are hugely disappointing and very overrated and overpriced I can't beleive people even consider them guess some people just want the "newest" mustang regardless how shit and overpriced it is lol
Lots more torque down low and you feel it over the gt350. We’ll have to compare to 350 on same dyno
@@midnight347peak horsepower is a useless number when you're comparing 2 completely different engines. The 5.2 flat plane crank in the 350 doesn't have the low end torque the 5.0 has. That engine was built for road course racing and turning insanely high RPM to get out of corners and down straights quicker. From what I've seen motor trend got a 12.5 1/4 mile out of the dark horse at the Charlotte roval...which may not even be a prepped surface like at a real drag strip. That's basically the same 1/4 mile time as the gt350 and the dark horse is 250 pounds heavier. All things being fair a 24 dark horse would most likely beat a gt350 by a couple tenths on an actual drag strip with a prepped surface. The selling point of the DH is getting the tremec 6 speed. And yes, it's expensive but we're also not living in 2018 prices anymore. Everything has gotten a lot more expensive. Is it worth getting a DH for 65k over a regular GT for maybe 48k? If you have the money, the tremec 6 speed makes it worth the price. The 20 horsepower increase not so much.
@@ryanwinkelman1781Stock Gt350s have gone 11.8. That TREMEC trans ain’t that much stronger than a mt82. Throw some boosted power and they both on borrowed time. With the TREMEC going out first in some cases.
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Awesome videos. I subscribed
That's awesome. I ordered a DH Premium with all options, including Carbon Fiber Wheels. Just playing the waiting game now. Looks like sometime in late December or early January after speaking to Ford last Friday. Dealership really don't have answers yet. To busy with day to day operations of dealership.
If you ever have questions about the process let us know. We operate out of Middleton Ford so we can help with those questions.
@@MiddletonMotorsports I may bring it by sometime
Well that's because it's a 6 speed they way it should be👍
Intakes, headers and flex tune that beast!
Can’t wait
Good video ,what mode did you use? I am a believer that the drag mode makes more power... according to my draggy it does also.
We used track mode. The drag mode definitely shifts harder on the autos and is definitely faster accelerating. We might have to do a mythbuster video on the modes.
@MiddletonMotorsports that would be a good video , there's definitely a difference, sport-plus stops around 6600 RPM with my car and drag mode goes to 7400, the draggy has my car going three tenths quicker in about 2 or 3 mph also... if you care to look at the videos that I have, I removed almost all of them when the vanvoris Brothers got popped by the police with videos of them and their dragy
My 18 GT with the mt82 made 440whp and 409wtq with just a tune installed by the previous owner... Recently deleted the resonator and replaced it with an x-pipe
That 440STD that your car made would be 420SAE. Not to mention this car has a few hundred miles. It will dyno 450SAE with a few thousand miles. It will pick up a few degrees of timing in the cooler fall temps good for another 15-20 whp SAE. We will see many of these things dynoing 460+ SAE, in the fall.
@@jpscharged it was sae, I dynoed right after a stock scat charger and a bone stock mt82 21 gt that made 425whp and 423whp respectively
440 whp is about 520 hp thats pretty pretty nice for a stock also 389 wheel torque is about 448 engine torque
Outstanding! Such a sweet car! Great video, You guys really know your stuff! 💪🏻🔥💯💯
Thanks for watching
It checks out.
I get to ride in my salesman’s dark horse the day it comes in and I’m also waiting on my dark horse to be built glad to see the dyno finally 🔥🔥
Thanks for watching. Are you going Manual or auto
@@MiddletonMotorsports auto😂 I have the Mach one right now but those dyno numbers hurt me haha
What year is your Mach 1? Mine is a 22 and on the 22s and up they installed a hydrocarbon trap in the CAI. If you remove that that's 18 extra WHP. I recently got a 93 tune and I'm right at 440 now
@@wesd2845 I have a 22 I took the filter out and put on a full 3inch exhaust the dark horse numbers just about made me rethink my dh order
the manual 2024 mustangs have a limiter about 250rpm before redline, supposedly the speed limiter on the dark horse is 168mph
I dunno if it’s worth it to move away from a 19’ S550 😭. I just want foxbody gauges 🥴🤣🤣 I wish they had an update for the S550 digital dash.
Are the rear rotors sparking a little on finale pull ….maybe ABS like he said ???????
Great run! I am hoping that the "code" can be broken & the cpu can be revised.
I need that side graphic on mine
We can help with that!
New badge. New records 🇦🇺
I like the white on that car as well it looks stunning
Thanks for watching!
16 more HP than the GT, honestly I like it but I don’t think it should cost 20k more interior looks damn near identical, exterior is alright just don’t see why people spend 20k more for it when they can get a fully optioned GT
Well it is a track version of the base GT, it's noticeably different exterior wise and in has increased performance overall, there is that difference. If we look at all the special track versions of the cars vs the regular base models like the 350 vs 350R or the GT500 vs GT CFTP, they all cost well above 15 - 18k when you add ONLY those track specs options, other options included increase the price of course. This is not 20k over a base GT, more in line with the 15k - 18k pricing as a base GT Fastback is 41,495 and a Dark Horse is 59,270. This puts it about 17k increase. None of these track pack specs increased the horsepower btw, it simply added more aggressive aerodynamic features and beefed up or increased certain attributes that helped performance overall like the Dark Horse option does. It generally is not that different at all from before where a fully optioned GT350 or GT500 would cost the more or less the price of a track pack specked car with no other options or maybe a few.
Forgetting the Tremec transmission
You can blame the UAW wanting more money.
Throttle house literally showed how much faster the dark horse is compared to the pp GT around a track
440whp and almost 400 torque that’s VERY good
I see that on cars with half the engine size.
Great video great car guys 🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟
Thank you! 👍
I had a maual 6 speed 2012 GT back in the day with 3.73 rear gears, dynoed 422.9 whp factory bone stock becuse it was litterally less than 3 weeks old. This was in july heat of 96° done in 1:1 trans gear.
To verify those numbers we used another identical car with 6 speed and 3.73 gears which made much lower nunbers in back to back testing. Also, those same two cars on the street, my car would pull at least 2.5 cars on the other identical equiped car every time.
Thats weird and interesting how 2 different factory engine vehicles can make such different power levels being identical engines, Luck of the draw i guess. I would be upset if i and some other guy left the dealership at the same time after buying two identical cars, then to do a quick 2nd to 4th pull and him be walking away from me.
Ford has typically underrated their cars since they were sued over the Cobra Mustang they released around 2000 that was OVER-rated from the factory and produced notably less HP than advertised. They learned a valuable lesson.
I dont like the new mustang looks, but it is the last survivor, so i´ll embrace it and love it...
Ford technology!
Wow, 444.47 hp, that's pretty impressive for a new Mustang that is not broken in yet
First dark horse dyno out there!! Thanks MM team 💯💯💨
Steeda just narrowly snatched that title about an hour ago. Lol
@@craiglamb9029 I think that was an auto though. First manual at least here maybe.
First manual!!
#Manual FtW
had a 2017 (gen 2) mustang gt that made 450whp and 410wtq with full bolt on + e85. crazy this makes almost the same stock. fbo this thing should make around 500whp (unicorn)
Take out the carbon traps in the intake tubes and dyno it again... And also see if it throws codes?
We can test that out for sure. Stay tuned
@@MiddletonMotorsports Awesome!
Nice! First one I’ve seen!
Thank you..
You should do the exhaust on that thing.
Looks like she makes power a little longer vs the previous gen...500 rpmish with the current state of tune...I'd love to see it spun to 8k...it kinda looks like the gt350
Just more torque down low which is noticeable while driving. Thanks for watching
I know the truck is different but the f150 gen 4 coyote has less aggressive cams gen 3 made more power in the higher range. Tuners already know that boss makes less power than gt manifold due to power falling off earlier on gen 4. Lol stupid cylinder deactivation as well
@MiddletonMotorsports correct?
@@justingill5256gen 3 truck vs car yote, 395hp vs 460hp there must be more missing from the truck motor as thats a big power drop.
@jhoe1upGuy come guy lol Mustang has different firing order/cams, different heads and obviously the mustang manifold. The truck also makes lower end torque. This is why it's designed different. Probably tuning as well for longevity is not pushed. Gen 3 trucks can Rev to 8k stock can handle 1000hp so
Wonder how much is left on the table by ford in the form of exhaust & tune? Those are some good numbers. Might be pretty optimized from factory? Thoughts? Speculations?
Hard to guess but the dual intakes has potential for sure. Also looking at the exhaust there’s good possibilities there too
You guys rock!
Honestly wasnt suprised it was underated Ford has been that eay on my old 03 Terminator it was a 6 spd and was underated gota love the help from ford on insurance lol
I LOOOVE those new Mustangs. It would be nice to have that new engine, but frankly, I am more about nice looks than raw power. So the 6 would be ok with me. But if I had the money, yeah I would go with that one, just NOT in WHITE. Also, 440hp. Really seems low for that engine. Ford must be releasing them very conservatively. The mod community will have that over 700 with just a few bolt ons I bet.
Ford really is adamant about 11 percent drivetrain loss. GT350 dyno around 470 rwhp claimed 526 hp. This dynoed around 444 rwhp claimed 500. GT500s stock dyno around 670 rwhp. Claimed 760 hp.
That's nuts. I'm really curious what my 2014 C63 would pull on a dyno. Factory numbers are 451hp and 443 foot pounds and that has the 7spd dual clutch auto trans. Where are you guys located?
Middleton Wisconsin
I honestly wouldn't bother with aftermarket cold air intakes as I can't imagine much restriction. I would just pull the carbon traps and get some low restriction race filters from pmas.
Should have taken both intake air filters out and see if it picks up
We first wanted to test it in its stock form. We will see down the line what we can do with it
Love to see what it will do with long tube headers and free flowing exhaust (and a tube of course)
headers pick up 10whp untuned. coyote engine needs vct tweaks "increased overlap" to get the full 17-18whp from the headers. Also need access to adjust o2 transport delays to stabilize fuel trim oscillation (im a tuner). Headers are not worth the hassle unless the ecu tunable.
Good luck cracking the ECU. Ford themselves even said this car would be a lot more difficult to tune and build
I trying to decide should I get a fully equipped GT or DH. Life is so hard 😂when making decisions.
Darkhorse
i built a fully loaded six speed (no recaros) GT and it came out to 59.5k. ended up finding a DH allocation for msrp 2 weeks later. got the handling pack and the recaros and it came out 67k. to me it was a no brainer to get the tremec and all the other goodies with DH for not that much more. plus itll hold its value better down the line
Actually second dark horse, just watched Steeda do one. Im thinking 410hp. Steeda did 408hp on black one!
First manual the Steeda one is auto
They lie
This is a little detail, but I’ve always wondered if their gonna put a speed limiter, why make it 155mph, and not 160mph? Since the speedometer goes to 160mph?
Road America here I come
Nice
Mustang owner ❤️🇺🇸
I like my 2006 S197 Mustang GT body over the new ones. Plus my Saleen supercharger with speedlab super shaker hood. 425 rwhp & 420 torque for $16K
Did u guys go beyond the breakin period before u dynoed
Yes
Is also abide by ford’s 11 percent drive train so my 240sx 2 liter turbo that dynoed 456 rwhp 11 years ago? In my mind it makes 512 hp. 😊
It would be nice to see it dynoed in 4th just to see how the power rolls off the higher it revs
Manual transmission cars typically make more power than automatic transmission vehicles! But this is mine boggling because that’s more than 500 hp at the flywheel
@@erichaley6776they don’t make more, they just loose less trough the transmission
Love it!
Thanks!!
Please in the driving review go over the ride quality and the way the car feels on day to day driving
Will do. Definitely smoother than the gt500s. We will have the driving review done by end of week.
Nice Looking Camaro !!!
Is it worth it ?
Will the automatic match that power to the wheel on the dark horse in your opinion?
Auto will take a little more power. Typically about 2% more than a manual.
Auto will dyno less more driveline loss
@@midnight347 Most likely the car would make 430 hp with the auto
If it wasn't for the headlights and reading the title, I would've thought it was a Camaro from that side view .
Funny how in 2016 when they changed the Camaro they said it looked like the 2015 mustang. This is a adaptation of that car so it’s weird how they say the mustang copied anything
So cat delete and e85 on a gen 3 makes more than stock dark horse and is lighter got it
But does it look this badass though dark horse ftw
@@Jimmyxsxlol not so bad ass spending 70k when a base 2018 gt walks you
@@DikeLover strap a whipple s/c on this bad boy and problem solved.
Does it redline at 7300 instead of 7500? Numbers look in line with 500hp.
7300 is what it stops at but we seem to be at the limiter
Crazy that the most powerful n/a modern muscle car is also the one with the smallest V8 displacement
Can you find out why it has mafs and map what’s the point
Dyno happy af
Is this the handling package?
Yes
Seems like the Automatic are getting less hp at the wheels and they are also auto is much heavier transmission. I think for stick shift is the way to go for a dark horse. just dont' race a dark horse with an auto ya might lose :P (just dyno race them instead)
how confident are you that you think someone will be able to turn of speed limiters and unlock the ecu in time
Depends on what you consider in time. My guess is a year or two. We’ll see
@@MiddletonMotorsports i’d be ok with that i hope that’s the case because i wanna be able to put down 800whp without any limiters and break 200mph
That mf is beautiful... I have a descent job but family prevents me from owning something like this... Maybe one day 😥
An FBO E85 Gen 1 will get real close to these numbers. With cams getting you closer to 500rwhp. They can be had for mid Teens to maybe the early 20ish range.
Hmmmm... the front it resembles the Camaro front end slightly, ..the LT models
Can you put 26inch tires to give it more gear
we just wanted to test it in its stock form at this time. see how it compared to Ford's ratings. We will play with it more in the future.
Is ford going to allow tuning with this ecu?
Not sure it’s going to be a minute. We’re hoping to see a venture with Whipple where it’s warrantied and tuned. We’ll see how it plays out
@RJ-vg3yu: I went to a seminar by Ford engineers by invitation only: they stated that the ECU/ECM encryption has been provided to Whipple, RTR & Ford Performance inc. So it will take about a year for rest of tuners to secure the data to unlock the encryption.
@gordydexter2615 it's not just that they can see if it's been tampered with and flag it even return it to stock remotely. Only "Ford approved" tunes which are gonna suck compared to real tunes. I don't think it's gonna be figured out like people are assuming. I don't think it'll ever be fully ironed out tuning wise like we're used to up till now.
Everyone is doing “the first dark horse dyno“ now 😂
Reminds me of a 90's Japanese car.
With my calculations its pushing 520 to 530 crank power
Definitely got some steam under the hood.
We’re excited about this one
Edit guy "just put worlds first and they'll come"
Charge $20+ thousand for 10-15 more hp over a GT and an SS 1LE.. And less torque than the LT motors.. Its just not worth $70k bucks.. My buddies SS 1LE made 424hp and 428tq last weekend on the dyno before the cam & intake.. His car was $48k.. and has a better transmission. I left Ford and went Camaro too.. Love my ZL1, and glad I grabbed one of the last ones they are gonna make.. Same price as a Dark Horse with forged internals, a blower, and 150 more hp and a bunch more torque.. Sad Chevy is done with them, but Ford is taking advantage of the fact of no more Dodge and Chevy competition and over charging customers for not much performance..
A Dark Horse option costs 17k, and that will land the pricing about 59k not at all 70k or as you said a 20k+ option. It's also 14-20 more hp depending if you didn't have the Performance exhaust option on the base. Either way it's making more hp for a lower price and performing better overall than most of the cars mentioned since they pass 70k and the Dark Horse would require more options added on to reach close to 70k, or you can mod it with the extra cash and beat them all the same. Generally this is good money being spent considering this is cheaper than a 350R which is pretty much comparable to this car in performance overall and the DH should be able to beat it even if down a little on power. All past Ford Mustang trims had a track spec option that would cost about 15-18k like the GT350R or the GT500 CFTP. Both simply added certain parts that helped increase the overall performance without any hp increase itself. This car is cheaper than both and ads a little more hp, more aerodynamic components and better overall performance parts to help it on the track as it's made for.
@raionshishi8290 this thing isn't even touching a gt350 or R. It's down 30 horsepower with a shorter powerband and weighs 270 lbs more. The DH is literally a heavier mach 1 you ain't touching these for 59k, no option DH I seen start in the 65k range, gotta love dealer theft smh.
@@johnflanagan6231 Well the Mach 1 is a little faster than the GT350R, so like I said, it should be capable of either beating it or be comparable in times, also, like I said, it's cheaper, so it being a little slower would not be a big deal at all. Also dealer mark ups exist on any car, so it's still gonna be cheaper since the base price is lower. The point I am making is the pricing matches the performance.
@raionshishi8290 every test except for a track comparison. 1/4 mile gt350 11.7 at 120mph DH 12.5 at 115mph. The dark horse actually brakes better but ever other metric it got slaughtered. The mach 1 was a wash since it beat the 350 on one track while the gt350 beat it on others. The price doesn't match.. I would even bet a 24 gt with performance package will run with a DH just not for long without the coolers
@@johnflanagan6231 The DH is capable of low 12 high and slightly possible high 11, also how exactly does the price not match if it's cheaper ? If it's not faster but is cheaper than that makes sense, it still hangs with them which is kinda the point. I also heavily doubt a PP could hang and like you said it won't for long either if it did at the start, which completely nulls that since a track car is made to keep going consistently around a track and fast.
Love the technology in this new generation, but the Mustaro styling is disappointing. S550 was a much better looking car.
It's basically a tweaked s550. It looks alot like a 15-17 s550 the shape of the headlights I don't think it looks bad it just doesn't look enough diff from an s550 for an "all new" mustang imo. The locked down ecu and tablets on the dash seal the deal for me I'd rather have an older stang that can be modified. These are overpriced and overrated.
Ahh I see, seems Steeda's Dyno is a little different
They were running an auto and seemed to have some issues with fuel etc. we did an auto do and had similar results