I attempt 18% CLIMBS on a VINTAGE 8-speed..
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This ride is the TOUR OF GERMANY 2021 route from Nurnberg! And it was a special one because I got a very very OLD-VINTAGE-STEEL bike from a local bike shop ( Eddy would attack) to go for my training ride! With only 8 gears in the back and big rings in the front, these ''HERO'' gears made it quite hard for me to ride up those 18% climbs!! So how is it to ride a 30 year old steel bike for 120km with LOTS of climbing??!!!
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Did you ever ride a VINTAGE bike!? Let me know what you think of it!!
Geweldig! Ik rij op een Koga Miyata uit 1988.
Yep, 7 speed and ‘flippers’ on the downtube to shift…
I bought one four years ago, it wasn't ride ready and i had to accept that the former owner "screwed me over". I put it on a sideboard in my living room and really like it. Was tempted to sell it while corona was pushing the prices of used bikes higher and higher but i will never find a painting or something else i will enjoy looking at like that.
After witnessing you suffer i certainly wont fix and ride it in the near future.
I still do ride one - 1996 Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra SPX with all aluminium Campagnolo 10-speed gruppo (smallest gear 39-25). Not as fast or comfortable as my newer carbon bike, but still rides like a charme. Its 1992 predecessor even had Suntour Superbe Pro 7-speed downtube shifters.
You're always welcome to come and ride my pristine Union Wagtmans from the 1970's!
You don't need to worry about breaking a vintage bike, you need to worry about the vintage bike breaking you.
Well said
I climbed Mt. Evans in Colorado (14,265ft / 4350m) from Idaho Springs on my 21st birthday in 1988 on a Motobecane Team Champion using a 43 x 21. Let's just say I did a lot of standing climbing. Luckily still have intact knee cartilage.
Sounds terrible haha
Serotta is a famous frame builder from Saratoga, NY. They built the 7 Eleven and Coors Light team frames. The also built the frames that were badge Huffy back in the 1980's and the Pinarello badge frame ridden to gold at the Atlanta Olympics. Ben Serotta also created a sloping geometry, half titanium and carbon fiber frame with carbon seat stays that attached to the titanium chain stays via needle bearings to absorb road shock. Overall, Serotta was one of the most innovative and legendary US and overall frame builders in the late 1980's and '90's.
Cool info, thanks!👍
They were bought out but now the brand is back to building high end titanium bikes. I don't know if Ben Serotta is still there, though.
Wow, such lovely people, love the shop too. Back in the late 70s (yes I'm pretty old) we were still using 6 speed , close ratio block; bikes were Columbus or Reynolds tubing, down tube, no index shifters . Always tubulars for racing , good silk ones for important races, cheap ones for club racing. It wasn't unusual to hear at least one blow out at every club race and flat tyres were the norm!
I love all the modern technology of today that has made cycling so enjoyable. Another enjoyable video as usual, thank you.
Stories of back in the days are so cool!🤙
I started cycling a few months ago on a steel touring bike I got for free. I’ve upgraded since, but can’t beat the amazing feeling of riding steel with wide tires. Was bliss.
Hey, greetings from NÜRNBERG. I sent you to to the bike shop, if you remember ;) Nice video.
Thanks for that!🤙
@@jasperverkuijl Next time I join you ✌
Just love to see people with fire and passion for what they do. That means Olly from the bike shop and of course yourself Jasper.
I remember 52 /42 and 13 /25 on my campag equipped ti Raleigh bike back in the early 80s!. Very hard up steep climbs, and down tube shifters, non indexed!.
Friction shifters! Can do 12 speed if needed lol.
Funny passing on people at those speeds on a vintage bike, you’re an absolute beast!
Saying goes it’s not the bike it’s who is on it
@RollinRat this is europe, they all drive manuals
You definitely make that bike live breathe and jump again. Beautiful country roads to boot insane bike shop and passionate owners!
🙏🙏🤙
When I started riding seriously that old vintage bike was state of the art. Surprised to see a Serotta frame over in Germany!
They are rare to find!
a Ben Serotta with Campagnolo was the Bike of my wet dreams back then!!!
I used a 52-42 and 13-21 back in the day. I made it up the hills ok but the frame would flex on me when I got out of the saddle and it would pull on the shifter cables and "automatically" shift. We had friction shifters back then. It would always shift into a harder gear which I almost never wanted.
Hahaha that's crazy to hear actually 😆
Honestly, not that old. A Serotta with Campy Ergo shifters was a dream bike
lol it’s old we are just getting old too
campy had 10-speed back in 2001. the 8-speed is just awful but had the bragging rights back then.
It feels like only yesterday when i was riding a steel framed 8 speed which was my first proper road bike i got Christmas 1995. It was a Peugeot.
I sometimes ride a steel 1980 Motobecane with a 2X6 (52/42, 13-23) gear system (downtube shifters, of course). I also ride an alloy 2000 Allez with 53/39 chain rings and an 11-21 "corncob" 9-speed cassette. I'm a couple of weeks short of 64 years old. These are the gear ranges pros rode for decades. It's all in one's strength and fitness.
I had a Serotta bike just like that. Had Campy Super Record 8spd. Loved it
Hey Jasper! I was smiling during the lenght of the entire video! I'm in my 20ies and started cycling last year in october on an old VanTuyl steel bike. my easiest gear is a 38-26 so especially in the beginning I was struggling up every climb I encountered in the Eiffel. Your videos are very inspiring and actually I am happy to see what difference it makes to ride an old bike like me :)
Keep up the good work!
Cool man! Thanks for sharing!🤙
This reminds me of the old road bike i bought last thursday. The lowest gear is 42:26 on mine. Downtube shifters and bad brakes compared to the hydraulic disc brakes on my modern hybrid bike. But its fun to ride. So yea i joined the road bike gang.
Me and my 42 -18 here 😳😳😳💀💀💀
I feel the pain. I still have my late 80s hand-built Raleigh, Reynolds 531 frame, 52-42 front x6 rear. First of the Shimano 105 SIS indexed gears. The changers are on the downtube to add to the fun. I still take it out now and again, but when I do I miss my Obrea’s Ultegra Di2. And of course the power I had back than to go up Ditchling Beacon on the old bike. Thank goodness for progress. Another great post!
Cheers!
On vintage bikes, if I were to still own this bike, it would be vintage now. 1994 Colnago Master Light w/Campy Record. WordPerfect team paint scheme. Such an amazing bike for its time. Would still be a great ride I’m sure. Probably very similar in feel to the Serotta frame you were on..
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When I first started racing in US, I used a Serotta Colorado LT frameset. It was similar to the frames the 7-Eleven pro cycling team was using at the time.
Going to Eddy Would Attack when I arrive in Nurnberg. Ollie is a legend
Please say hi and tell him you saw my video, he is such a cool guy
Ollie is an awesome lad!! Great vid again Jasper!!! Cant wait for more of your vids!! Ride safe
Jasper you are the man! Love this series and it's great to see you enjoying yourself on those magnificent rides around Europe :)
Thanks,!
thanks im not bad hehe
Yes first time just bought vintage Bridgestone Roadman last October 1, 2022 japan surplus thank YOU for sharing your interesting video I love old school😊🚴♀
I used to race a steel mid-80s Nishiki Olympic 12 with huge gears and DT shifters back in the day, and recently rebuilt a steel '80s Lotus with 52/43 and 13/28 and have taken it out on a few challening climbs with some vintage bike geek friends and have raced in a local alley cat race a few times. I get dropped at the big climb but come steaming back to the lantern rouge mashing the 52/28 on the downhill. Kicks my butt every time, but I love the feel of steel compared to my aluminum 27-speed.
Try carbon next!;)
Beautiful bike. You are strong 💪.
Even though this may have not been the fastest bike, it is a very interesting video to watch. I like the idea of just discovering a new place by showing up at a local bike shop that has some unique bikes, and people to talk about the place and their passions. That Wilier cromovelato is something very special and I'm sure your Serotta was a very smooth ride too. You gave this independent bike shop a very nice shout out on your channel and I'll hope you'll do more like this in the future in the different cities your flying takes you.
Jazeker, Gazelle AB 42/52 voor en 13 /24 achter totdat we in de Vogezen de coll du Platzerwasel op moesten dat werd dus lopen. Later was het klimverzet 39/52 voor en 13/26 of 28 achter de mooie jaren 80.
Mijn leeftijd was toen midden 30. Nu als zestiger heb ik de opkomst van de look klikpedalen en geïndexeerd schakelen meegemaakt en daarna Shimano schakelen met de remgepen.
Nu rij ik op een Van Nicholas di2 10 speed dat dan weer wel.
Haha 52/39 13/26 "klimverzet" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 times changed!!
still riding my 1983 Trek 510 from school days. Been doing 240-280km a week on it this summer. It's updated with DT Swiss wheels and fairly new Dura Ace derailleur, etc, similar to your Serotta. I don't plan on racing Cory or Justin in LA, so it's fast enough. :)
Sweet 🎂
I'm waiting till they come to Europe to race them again hahaha
@@jasperverkuijl they're doing great development work here. Need more/better sponsorship. Note: when you get your left seat back to SoCal, I've got a cessna to haul bikes around.
To my surprise you got a Serotta. Last week I bought two Serottas, one a CSI very similar to the one you rented, and the other a titanium road bike. I know exactly what you mean re the gearing: mine is the same Campagnolo 42/23 lowest gearing. You, my friend, are an animal to ride that gearing on steep hills. Today I ordered a 39 chainring, and a 13-28 cassette to make it livable. Serotta = great bikes!
Very nice!
i sold this bikes in the 90`s great stuff serotta`s
If you kept it it might be worth a fortune?
Hey Jasper , nice to see the Wilier Triestina.. had a similar one in 1985 till 1990 .. regret giving it away.. a very responsive machine
Very cool bikeshop and really nice people too!
Now that's a cool bike shop and people 👌🏻🤙🏻👌🏻 Jasper you killed it on that vintage bike 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻 I would have struggled on my Kuota Kryon with it 50-34 and 11-34 cassette on those climbs 😜
Hahaha
How can you not ride a freaking Serotta anyway but good!?
Hahaha
What a beautiful vintage bicycle!😊
I clicked on this because I personally on a Serotta CSI which was their top of the line steel lugged frame from 1997. I have ridden many 10,000 ft climbing days and many 200 milers on it. I ride it in spirited group rides and never have any issue keeping in the wheels - it’s my legs that do me in eventually not the bike 😂
Awesome
I just love the hand crafted workmanship of steel bikes! Love the feel of the steel on the road too. The ride is so compliant.
@RollinRat Wow.
@RollinRat Carbon over rated. I had a Krestrel Carbon frame crack on me after 36 miles!!
@RollinRat My Kestrel cracked by where the seatpost goes into the frame. R/A cycles let me trade it in for another bike. There was a Colnago Masterlight hanging from the ceiling. I pointed to it and said, "how about that one?" He said, "good choice." 32 years later and it still rides like a dream!
Yes. Bridgestone bikes from the US mid 80s. Triple butted 4130 Chromoly. Bridgestone Mile 112, Bridgestone Radac, and Bridgestone 450.
Great video. Wonderful shop, great bunch of guys
Yeah awesome place to visit 👌
They sealed the deal for me to visit by greeting me with coffee. I could definitely hang out in a shop like that all day. Cycling is life!!
I’m going there again soon!! Looking forward to it already.
Shimano wears out, campag wears in :)
Great dude, great bike, fantastic surroundings.
That bike went up in value since you rode it buddy!
Hahahaha
I love how you say Nürnberch, just like the locals :D
The nice thing about a steel frame is that it can be "spread" by a competent frame builder to accomodate a wider axle. Back in the 80's, we did this when Suntour came out with the "Ultra 6", then "Ultra 7" clusters (the Ultra-7 worked on a frame designed for 6-speed cluster) -- it may not seem like it but those were revolutionary compared to the pior Regina 5-speed clusters found on high-end bikes. About the same time, Sedis came out with a $6 chain that put the expensive $30 Regina chainis to shame. Old Campagnolo derailleurs were limited to 24-tooth cogs.
Pretty awesome how technology develops 🤙🏻
If that frame already accepts a 8 speed, it'll accept a 10 without further spreading.
I'm currently building up a Serotta Colorado CRL frameset which I bought for $10 (~1993). All newer components. I expect this frame to suck compared to newer bikes, just like the countless older bikes I've owned, but it'll be fun to check it out.
Its so fun to ride these old bikes!
oh, one other thing -- back when that bike was built, there was great debate about the power efficiency versus cadence and gearing. We didn't have the same intrumentation we do now and many road racers used quite tall gears (you considered yourself a badass if you ran a 'straight-block" and were able to get up your climbs. It was Lance Armstrong who kicked the door in with respect to much lower gearing to get optimum power in the pro peleton on climbs -- I belive he actually used a tripple crankset on one pro race. 42/52 was the standard chainring configuration since the smallest rear cog was 12 teeth since the cassette hub had not yet been invented. (shimano was able to squeeze an 11 cog back then).
blablabla you still cant beat merxck, dont worry about it
ps triples existed before he was born, dont lie on the internet
@@bishplis7226 where's the lie? do you know of anybody else who used a tripple in the pro peloton before LA? who else started riding lower gears at high cadence in that era? That would be interesting..instead of simply bloviating.
@@bishplis7226 blabla: Who said anything about Merckx? Who's worried about anything?
Not vintage, but love my 6 year old stainless Waterford 😁
nice & warm people.
I still regularly ride my 35 yr old 7spd bike. It has downtube shifters and is 12kg ready to ride.
There is definitely no chance to use a bail out gear on the hills, so you have to just grin, grind and bear it.
When i ride my carbon bike which is 5kg lighter i feel like superman 😁💪
Hahaha fun!!👍
My hybrid bike i use for everything has 27 Gears and weighs like 17-18 kilos. So even the old road bike i bought for cheap is light to me. Also a 2x7 xD
But this is even better cos mine is not a hand selector shifter. Shifter's on the frame
niice route and nice bike 🤙🏼🤙🏼 from the philippines ride safe
Funnily enough the bike you've ridden is still available in the shop! Maybe you should go back and give it another go? :D
Really!!? Awesome bike!!
One of my n+1 bikes is a 1985 Schwinn Tempo that has 10 speed compact gearing. 34x32 is my climbing gear. It’s a smooth ride.
Awesome 👍
I have started my adventure with cycling on steel bike Hurricane (Made in Poland by Romet) with six gear by Czech Favorit derailleur, manual gear changing without indexing.
Sounds historic haha
That’s a big ride no matter what bike you’re on. I keep one or two vintage bikes in my collection just for fun. But they are solely for riding around town with the family. I tired a big ride on one of my vintage bikes once… once.
Hahaha. How did they do that back in the days?🤣
This is the same type of bike i have that am gonna be using for my 150km training ride tomorrow . I don't have money to buy a better bike. I just manage what i got. Wish me luck guys
Again, what a great vid! Super interesting and so much funny! Thank you for this great stuff! Among other bikes i ride a steel Corratec La Strada with 2x7. Riding is different, but fine!
Great video maybe better off writing Nuremberg in brackets next to Nürnberg mate for the international viewers
Don't forget too, the Old Heros had to use downtube shifters.
30.5 kmh average in a hilly region on a vintage steel bike 😱💪👌
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Omg that saddle!! Love it!! Turbomatic 2 !!!! Love!!
Turbooooooo
I'm also cycling in the Dolomites next month! Doing the passo Pordoi amongst other things. Would be cool to see you.
That tarmac looks immaculate - very little like that in my neck of the woods. Need to visit Germany...
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I used to use those saddles,very nice.
Those old steel road bikes are like finely crafted jewelry
Absolutely
Awesome bike 💯🌞
I use Panasonic PR3000 1993 with 7 Gears Shimano RX100 and i love it 🚴🏻
That canyon looked like it would be easier to ride.
You meet some super nice people on your travels keep up the great content 👍🏻
I cannot imagine how strong the old head Tour cyclists were riding steel frames, with small gears, up grades like that… #badasses 🍻
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@@aykutt5630 🤣🤣🤣
The color scheme on that bike is totally awesome!
Yeah it is!!!🔥
Nice, respect jasper. Mooie rit!
Insane how quick you did that 🤙
I love my old vintage steel race bikes , lol 😂 they will put hair on your chest.
Hahaha
I rode a 30 yr.old 8 speed till this year. Same saddle as that bike.
I also have a vintage road bike bottom tube with just 7 gears. It great on flats ,but the hills huh .
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Magnifique vélo bravo 👏👏👍🚴🏻♂️🇫🇷
Apart from the gearing, how would you compare your experience of riding a steel bike to a carbon bike? Do you think you are at a significant disadvantage aero-wise? The weight is easily quantifiable so this is clear (either it is lighter or heavier). Do you find any advantages compared to riding a carbon bike?
I think I talked about this at the end of the video right?👍
LOVE Serotta!
Why are many people so obsessed by being fast???
I live in a very hilly area in wrst ireland. Have a Belgian 1977 Bertin. Lightweight steel. Upgraded with new classic looking wheels. Changed the chainring to 44-32 And a 8 speed freewheel 34-12. Downtime shifters. Absolutely no problem climbing steep hills and I do average 350 km/ week. Vittoria Corsa 700 x 23 tyres
That’s what competition is about right
@@jasperverkuijl tja, elk zijn goesting Dan maar zeker
Great video Jasper.
Love the video! You should consider riding a fixed gear (brakeless) for one of your videos. Going downhill on a 49/15 is pretty wild.
No thanks 🤣
Best one yet! Mooie fiets.
love your vids
Love it how you spell "Nürnberg" the dutch way! Like "Nünbech"
Doingy bear in pronunciation 🤣
Hah! That's the same frame as my primary road bike. With the original Shimano 600 group, you can run a 53-39 crank and a 12-28 cassette. Still takes some mashing, but it's modern enough!
Did that bike run a 600 Tricolore group (judging by its vintage) originally? I would have expected that Campagnolo group to be the stock setup.
The 28 did work but was officially not supported.
@@Stoney3K Yep, it's a Tricolore group, appears to have been an option based on a catalog someone uploaded on thepaceline
Yes, my frame is still my grandfatheres frame, its components are modern, but the frame is cromoly 1980 trek cut from a 30inch wheels to 700c.
Hey jasper, can you make a video how you got that life? I really want to live like that racing for a living and youre an inspiration. Can you make a video about it thank you
What do you think I do for a living? Racing?🤣🤣🤣 Worry mate you got a wrong impression. Just scroll through my videos and watch more. You'll find out more about my life
Awesome Vid, Love your content
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Super shop and bikes.
Vintage bikes🤦♂️I own one. Hills are a nightmare. Definitely need to upgrade it.
Hey man!! Amazing video!! I love cycling and I moved to Nuremberg a couple months ago so I'll definitely pay a visit to Eddy's shop! Would it be a chance of you sharing the route you did? Komoot or Strava? Thanks a lot for the amazing video, energy and motivation!!
Route is in video description!🤙
3:46 should have asked for the Canyon TT bike
Jasper, great video. Especially like the tour of the shop and the story behind your adventures. One question: do you bring power pedals with you to mount them on a rental bike to have your power output or how do you train with power on rental bikes?
Yes pedals 🤙🤙
Hey Jasper! Nice seeing you on German roads.
To your power numbers. Sweet spot between 330 and 360 is huge. Would you mind sharing your training plan?
Thanks!
You have to know his weight in order understand those numbers.
I have a video about my training plan of last summer. Check it out.
Did you ever ride a vintage bike? Well of course, but back then they were new. I still have the bike I raced 30 years ago and quite a few more besides. One still with downtube shifters, the rest with modern drivetrains and wheels. So yes, every day these bikes are used the way they were intended to be used. With the close gears and vintage gearing, gears hardly changed at, legs do all the work. Want to go faster? Push harder. None of this change the gears all the time like now.
Hahaha. Well, technology evolves, bikes get faster.
Just like cars. Or do you think we should go back to the T-ford?😜
Nevertheless it’s awesome to ride a vintage bike 👍🏻👍🏻
@@jasperverkuijl looking at the top 4 times for winners of Paris Roubaix for example - and for sure bike is just one factor Post in this case a legend of course:
1 Greg Van Avermaet 2017 45.204475
2 Peter Post 1964 45.129855
3 Fabian Cancellara 2013 44.190421
4 Mathew Hayman 2016 43.906598
But for me its not about racing now its just for recreation. So its one of the the old Ferrari's or the new one. ;)
I like the old ones mostly but sometimes I might also reach for the new one. But not that often.
I've competed on these bikes with 42-21 as my easiest climbing gear during the 90's. Now, I suffer to rock a 35-30 as a fat old dude.
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I'm sure the start of that video he's walking down Frauentormauer aka the red light district!
😆 in my Spandex bibs!!🤛
Hi Jasper, what kind of shoes are you wearing? Really cool video as always!
Couple year old Shimanos