Secret History of Codex Imperial Agents | Building Warhammer Armies
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Codex: Imperial Agents brings together the Inquisition with the oddjobs, henchmen, and zealots of the Imperium - and there are 22 Codexes worth of history in its pages!
In this episode of Building Warhammer Armies I explore the origins of the Imperial Agents - the imperial assassins of the Officio Assassinorum, the Sisters of Battle of the Adepta Sororitas, the Grey Knights, the Deathwatch, the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, the Ordos Malleus, Hereticus, and Xenos of the Inquisition. From their beginnings in Rogue Trader to their Codexes and boardgames through the many editions of Warhammer 40k!
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I'm pretty sure Obi-wan Sherlock Clouseau is, at least partly, alluding to some forgotten 1970's scifi film who's name escapes me right now!
It was Doctor Who!
That old space opera movie with the biplanes, yeah my mom is a fan of that one.
Obiwan, that is a name that I have not heard in a long time.
Last time I was this early I was questioned by Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clouseau.
Fairly certain that Obiwan Sherlock closeau is a reference to basil the great mouse detective
Honestly, I think that the success of Dan Abnett's novels and their influence shouldn't be dismissed.
Also the Dark Heresy rpg.
Very true
Love that game, and may have finally found a group to play again! I have the Apostasy Gambit adventure trilogy for first edition. 🥰
Also Sandy Mitchell's Ciaphas Cain series with Amberley Veil's footnotes giving us a great look at an Inquisitor's mindset between investigations.
Obiwan Sherlock Clouseau is a reference to Babylon 5, Miss Marple and Bergerac unless I'm mistaken.
"Miss Marple and Bergerac" is one of the most underrated episodes of B5's (admittedly troubled) final season. Glad I'm not the only one to spot it!
Zoot Zoot!
@@KristovMarsI thought it was “Jessica Fletcher and Lovejoy” in season 5? Or was that the prequel and the spin off movie?
Obi-Wan Sherlock Clouseau is CLEARLY a reference the coming of age film The Karate Kid. It's plain as day, how can anyone NOT see it?
Well, I guess that means I'm starting Eisenhorn again. Great video as always Jordan!
We're losing Eisenhorn in the book apparently. Which is blasphemous. The reason the book exists in the first place is because of that character.
Obviously a lot of ground to cover so totally understandable to miss them, but just a shout out for the Rogue Traders who seem to have been largely sidelined in modern 40k after having the first game named after them! It’ll be nice to see them finally appear in a ‘proper’ codex.
I probably should have covered them a little, but I'm quite tempted to give those roguish devils an entire video at some point!
I don’t know what Obiwan Sherlock Clouseau is a reference to, but I like the John William’s jazz composition on played on a violin that he has as a theme tune.
Dada dada dada da
Little known fact there Jordan but Obi-wan Sherlock Clouseau is actually an anagram of 'Bio clues wane on warlock's house', it presumably refers to the work of an inquisitor investigating the roof of a chaos-tainted dwelling while evidence is fresh. Glad I could sort that out
Obi-wan Sherlock Clouseau is obviously a reference to the Pink Panther….brand insulation foam.
I always used to say Adeptus Arr-be-teys - but I think I like Adeptus Arr-bites better!
I enjoyed your Conrad piece !!
Deathwatch: Overkill also was a major player in bringing back the Genestealer Hybrids back into 40k after almost 2 decades of being missing from the game, having been dropped during 2nd edition's run.
I wonder if he means old Ben Sherlock Clouseau?
I think you should have mentioned the very first proper Inquisition army from Rogue Trader, the Ordo Malleus army list of 1988 Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness, the inner chamber of the Inquisition, the Daemonhunters.
The Ordo Sicarius of Inquisitor Jaeger was also the first ever another Ordo to be mentioned in 1997 2nd Edition Codex: Assassins before the 3rd Edition would introduce the Ordo Hereticus and Ordo Xenos ultimately, essentially making Codex: Assassins an Inquisition supplement as they were linked to the Ordo Sicarius ever since the Wars of Vindication.
You're dead right, that's a massive oversight on my part!
What could you fit into that army? Anything it lacked?
Another brilliant video, but what we all want to know is how cold was that coffee by the time you remembered to drink it?
Oh! Obi-wan Sherlock Clouseau I think derives elements from Star Trek, the detective fiction of Rex Stout, and Leslie Nielsen's classic Police Squad! series.
Seriously though, fascinating sort of hodge-podge army, I'm not sure I've met anyone who regularly fields such. Sounds like fun though!
There were also rpgs about both the inquisition in Dark Heresy, and the Rogue Traders!
Very good point!
It should be noted than in 3rd Edition, before the release of the Witch Hunters codex, there were rules in Chapter Approved 2001 to play a standalone Sister army with a small handful of ministorum units and a smaller version of the Faith rules.
I always thought imperial agents in their various edition was a bunch of advisors and hangers-on. Anything from attaching an ecclesiarchy preacher with a laspistol and power field to an iggy squad to an independent superhuman assassin with viral munition.
The old Assassins codex suggested that a third, allied player play the assassin and given a separate goal. It was also a pretty small book.
Great overview, love how wild RT 40k was. I hope the new codex brings back a little of the mystery and craziness
Great vid!
Almost 20k subs, hope things are improving !
Edit: I remember back in 2nd ed the assassins where printed in WD, due to the infancy of the of the internet, the rules for the calidus assassin was basically folk lore
I remember just after the rules were printed in WD a friend and I decided to settle the age-old Ultramarines Vs Blood Angels debate and had a massive 3000pt battle where one of us had to defend a large tower building (in fact the Ghostbusters tower). Rather than a set number of turns we just decided to fight to the last man standing, and at the end of this battle there was literally just my Callidus and his Vindicare fighting on top of the building. Somehow his Vindicare won as well, although while he'd been largely sat taking pot shots across the board I had materialised further down the building as a random squad member and murdered my way up there to get to him.
@@sonicwingnut yasss! The appear as your opponents model was crazy
On 2nd Ed My Eversor assassin could win games almost single-handedly
I've always wanted to try the Inquisitor game and when I first heard about Inq28 I was expecting something similar to the Warhammer Armies Project but I was disappointed to find that there were no (un)official rules. Maybe the originally game rules were so bad they were completely unsalvageabe, which would not be surprising, it was a GW game after all haha
Great video! Thanks for sharing!
I want to believe the Alienhunters codex is out there. Maybe this new 10th edition book can get my enthusiasm up for 10th edition. I have plenty of Guardsmen ready to receive orders from the Ordo Xenos.
I've been playing Sisters of Battle since late 2nd edition, and no I still haven't forgiven Matt Ward.
Oh… Do you mean “OLD BEN” Sherlock-Clouseau? That crazy old hermit detective?
I was really deep into 40k around the time codex Daemonhunters and codex Witchhunters came out. I was very disappointed that they never released codex Alienhunters back then...
Another brilliant video! Loved the grapes comparison :D
Cheers Hugh, I couldn't resist that one!
Ratty skaven boy Ratty Rat Rats. Amazing
Super interesting stuff! As mostly an 1:st :ed Epic Space Marines player, way back when, me and my buddies made some homebrew Inquisitors rules, with detachments of inquisitors, henchmen, Grey Knights, Rogue traders, Arbites, and sanctioned psychers.. to be slotted in or allied with either Space Marines or Imperial Guard. Mostly done by kitbashing space marines, eldar, guard and squats. They did really well against Chaos and Tyranids. Works as expected :D
Codex: Witch Hunters was my introduction to this hobby! 🥺A friend got it for me on my 17th birthday, given how often I played as Sisters of Battle against them in Dawn of War: Soulstorm. 💜 I remember being on a charter bus to a marching band gig, listening to Del tha Funkee Homosapien on my Walkman and eating sunflower seeds while diving deep into the codex. I was *very* into The X-Files at the time, so everything about assassins and conspiracies was just as exciting as learning more about the Adepta Sororitas! So, your X-Files reference here was appreciated. :P
It's because of that codex that I started my first army in the Fall of '09. It was fifth edition and I committed to collecting the still metal Sisters of Battle. Being a trans femme egg, I went with the least accessible 40k army to at least express my latent femininity in the fields of battle. I actually got that White Dwarf codex for 5th edition, too! It was across *two* issues, which I was lucky to find at a Games Workshop within a mall. So happy to have plastic Sisters now... but there's a long way to go before I have a complete army! Can't wait to unleash the flames of the Order of the Ebon Chalice upon the Emperor's adversaries. 🥰
I'll never forgive GW for saying it's pronounced "ar-bee-tees"
Thanks as usual Jordan!
I only started in 40k with 2nd Ed, but there was definitely stuff about Grey Knights in Dark Millennium, there were rules for a squad of Grey Knight Terminators… can’t speak for Rogue Trader…
You're quite right - that was a big oversight on my part!
What did the 2nd ed grey knights do?
@@SusCalvin they were only available as a 5 man terminator squad, who kind of counted as one psyker, but their psychic mastery level dropped as they lost squad members… I don’t remember seeing them on the battlefield much.
@@julianwarren7770 I know the psyker rules were different in 2nd ed. Psychic power cards and that. Haven't looked them up in detail.
Wizards in Fantasy at the time would have a wizardry level, from 1-4, for how much oomph they could toss out.
@@SusCalvin It’s a LONG time since I played or even read 2nd Ed stuff. It was essentially like you say about Warhammer Fantasy. I seem to remember you drew your power cards at random rather than choosing them…
Adeptus R.B.T's
I still think the special scale for Inquisitor was a mistake. You could not use your regular models and there wasn't many to get.
Wasn’t Obi-Wan Sherlock Clueso an 80’s Tennis player or something?
No, that was the half eldar Ultramarine Librarian
@@mariusdragoe2888 I know…
Oh well, 24th time's the charm?
You're right, Jordan, that Coteaz model really is almost unbeatable! Almost!
I say "Are-bye-tease".
I too pronounced Arbites wrong for years. Turns out it's pronounced R-bee-teez. 😅
Gav Thorpe's voice is so low it sounds like he's using a voice changer to hide his identity. 😂
There is one “Imperial Agent” related question I have been asking, but never gotten an answer to. The is a Adepta Sororita unit called the Seraphim. Now if one were to take either a preacher or a missionary, equip it with a jump pack, then attach it to a seraphim squad, would that figure be a “Deputy Seraph?”
Specialy selected marines like grapes? Death Watch or deathly grapes? 😅
Considering the well-known crossover between wargamers and history nerds, it's unsurprising that we see so many of the factions, themes, and characters are based on (or lifted wholesale from) historical events and works of myth and legend from the classical and ancient world.
What is surprising is Jordan's total ignorance of one of the most well-known classics of the western canon - Homer's Odyssey. I'd forgive being unaware of some of its minor supporting characters, but with the central role played by Odysseus' right-hand man and lover Obiwan Sherlock Clouseau throughout the work, it really makes me wonder about the British education system.
Read a book!
Ugh.
game uses Latin words but lets read them in English because fuck it, that's why. very murican of you
There's plenty I've been mistaken about, but I'm happy to pronounce words in a made up setting in any way that sounds best to me. Especially when the language they're from isn't latin. Inspired by certainly, but per Rick Priestley in Rogue Trader its actually a new language called Tech!
Latin is a dead language, which means nobody knows how it's actually pronounced. Criticizing somebody because they are pronouncing latin wrong just demonstrates how little you know about latin.
@@JimCarr it means that it's not clear how it was normally pronounced but it should be pronounced closer than other Latin languages like Italian or Spanish rather than English, which is Anglosaxon
And that Arbites pronunciation was pretty bad IMO
You think that Jordan, with an accent like that, is from the USA? I don't think I'll be getting opinions on pronunciation from you, pal.
@@Kroeghe I said it was a 'murican attitude, I don't know what's the UK version of that