Lithium mine pits electric cars against sacred Indigenous land
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- As the United States turns to electric vehicles, solar and wind for its clean energy transition, the demand for lithium - used in rechargeable batteries - is on the rise.
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In a remote corner of the Nevada desert sits Thacker Pass, the site of a planned lithium mine that would make a major contribution to domestic supply of the mineral. But the project faces opposition from members of nearby Indigenous communities, who say the area holds spiritual, cultural and historical importance and would be irreversibly damaged by large-scale mining activity
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#Lithium #Nevada #GreenTech #LithiumMining #ClimateChange
At what point do we collectively decide cars just aren't the future, electric or otherwise?
In cities, we can use mass transit (trains/ buses/ trolleys) that operate off overhead wires.
We also need more livable cities. 80% live in cities.
So, yeah, in the majority of cases, personal vehicles are a bad solution.
spoken like a true city dweller
@@imperatorvespasian3125 oddly enough I wouldn't call where I live a city, loads of farms about. Walk about 3 or 4 kilometres in about any direction, and you'll be near and around a farm fence.
But I'll concede there are special cases where cars are necessary, but they should hardly be as prevalent as the are.
@@grmpEqweer Do you have sources that state that overhead transit are the future of cities? Just curious
..or at least privately owned cars.
Support for our Paiute and Shoshone siblings from Chile!
We are currently writing our new democratic, new Constitution and we won't allow Lithium extractivists that damage our nature in our land.
!Viva Chile!
you lost once to colonizers and now you make noise and rely on their sympathies and guilt to further your agenda. how so very pitiful.
@@alexanderphilip1809 i mean if you don’t like dealing with the native population every colonizer can go back to wherever it is they came from including those in USA, New Zealand, Australia
@@alexanderphilip1809 I don't understand if you're aiming to me or to the Paiute and Shoshone communities, but it's just like the user above me said, if you don't like that Native Peoples all over the world are reclaiming their/our rights, too late mate, now you must deal with it, unless you're from a place that was never an invasor nor invaded.
I am one of the men fighting the mine. Come and stand with us. Those of you that assume we are a dead race. Go pray for understanding. We will be heard! We will not go down silent. Look out for me. Remember my name. Gary McKinney.
There is no such thing as clean green energy this is always a dark side to all forms of energy.
Is there a perfect form of energy? No. Perfectly shouldn't stop you. You shouldn't be looking for the perfectly clean solution. You need to look for the best option out of all the options out of there. Electric cars are damage the environment MUCH LESS than gas cars. Period. So which option are you going to take? The best option available, the worst option available, or no option (no transportaiton except horse and carriage).
So Oil is in increasing limited supply, but not Lithium, Cobalt and Copper, that requires intensive mining? Battery technology still has to evolve drastically, to ensure a truly "Eco friendly" and "Sustainable" switch to electric cars.
Buy s bicycle oil kills
@@ricardo_AbonadoThen go burn all your cloths, never use electricity, always grow your own food 100%, always walk anywhere you go and live the rest of your ignorant life without ever stepping into any house building etc etc......
THIS MUST BE SHOWN ON THE WORLD NEWS CONSTANTLY ‼️
4.6 million gallons of fresh clean drinking water a day will be drawn from the Quinn River and the aquifer to develop this lithium pit so the rich can drive a tesla. As the drought in the southwest worsens, what is more important??
No, you're 100% wrong. as usual. Please educate yourself.
We found the SPICE…
Bend the knee
It sucks that your land will be uprooted for lithium. Consider the steel, copper or aluminum you use in your home. That ore had to be excavated from somewhere.
There should be no question about this. Their land! Respect it!
May the great spirit be with you and your ancestors and your ancestral land 🙏🌎🙏
Which great spirit?
@@ClassicAudiobooksWithJohn whiskey, probably
Greed greed power control
This is it.
Even greed and power will sabotage the movement for a cleaner world
Imagine how the people of Africa feel when the US come to the continent and mine resources without remorse
@@ejbh3160 Both are, but the US has its greedy tentacles everywhere in the world
They should stop electing politicians who sells their country to foreign mining companies , ohh wait , Africa too needs money to feed its people
China taking over Africa land
Who told you that 😂😂😂😂😂 Magnis energy is doing it. Building housing for the community and creating jobs mining graphite .Tanzania.
I can't imagine going through life being so very ignorant, like you.
This makes the R&D on batteries made from sodium, or lithium extracted from seawater, all the more important.
For me hydrogen is a cleaner solution
Find areas away from tribal land would be my solution to looking for lithium in America.
That's only 21 percent of Lithium. Sooner or later, we'll have to push into those reserves.
I feel that Knot too‼️😭
Because the US hasn’t already done enough to the original natives of this land. The fall, of the US, is going to be brutal. They should be given, land back, not further desecration. Brutal!!!! Enough chances to turn this around were given, treaty after treaty broken.
There is free energy available for everyone.
Yes. Solar power. Wind power. Tidal power. Gravity battery storage.
@@toyotaprius79 Tesla
The real free energy has been kept from us
@@toyotaprius79 the real free energy has been kept hidden from us.Dig deeply
@@toyotaprius79 _Solar power. Wind power. Tidal power. Gravity battery storage._
A vehicle will still require a battery to be charged from these sources.
They can make synthetic diamonds but they can't lab grow batteries.
Most batteries are printed
Guessing that you are not a chemist.
Xenia - So why don't you get into the lab and make it happen ?
@@stevejette2329 lol
Indigenous peoples, at least, deserve big royalties for the mining of their home lands.
Thank you for posting this!
We need to go back to horses and mules!!!
We need degrowth, not electric cars. We need public luxuries like free green public transport and more leisure time to enjoy with our family. The demand for individual private electric cars keeping us commuting to our unnecessarily draining jobs - it's not sustainable for people or planet.
Oh and solidarity with indigenous peoples, always.
Please come back down to the real world and stop dreaming of things that are only possible in fairytale Greta Thunderbrat land.
Spot on. Well said.
well said, same thinking here holly
@@hellonwheels7813 It's not fantasy, this is how almost the entirety of Europe looks where they bike to work and use public transportation. You clearly don't know the world outside of your American glasses
And yes. The irony of my energy consumption to make these comments is not lost on me.
Cornwall has lithium
Yes, you're right. Cornwall's old flooded mineral mines are saturated in brine
Wonderful
We fight on!! Protect Peehee Mu’huh! Solidarity with Ukrainian people protecting their lands too!!! We gotta do what we gotta do, always have✊🏽
Thank you my brother for being here and fighting to protect Peehee Mu'huh! You are a true fighter for the Water and the Land. I know of you and I'll be following you on this journey too. I am an ally in this fight with you and the Peehee Mu'huh. I don't have any money and I can no longer travel due to mobility issues now but I can pass on these videos to the people I know and love and hope they will listen with their hearts and do what they can do to help too.
I do sense there is a lot of grey in this topic and also making it clear that it’s not black and white also it does effect people both ways.
I saw a Lummi flag flying in the background. Representing👍LAND BACK!
feeling protective of Steve 😅 I felt she was a bit nervous trying too hard . just a wee bit intimidated?
But they’ve just discovered over 1B in lithium in Maine, where mining is outlawed… why isn’t anyone trying to extract that? Or are they just waiting for an opportunity??
The class Between Climate Activist and Social Justice Activist. I'll get Popcorn
This video convinced me to invest in the Thacker Pass mine. Thank you. A figurative gold mine AND a controversy to boost the media around it? Sign me UP!
Who bothered you ?
You people have the right to say no to these multiple billionaire s that's. You're land you fight what is your 🙏😎
Sorry but this is a Trolley Problem. Who should we pull the Switch for? The World as it suffers from Climate or some Native Americans?
Thanks
Lithium is massively abundant everywhere
Legit
#landback
Stop scarring the land."I stand with the American Indians.
Solidarity, that's great. But how will you power your car, bus etc with no batteries?
@@ejbh3160 Stop reproducing yourselves, first step. Use a BIKE. If you need to travel far away for an emergency, you are forgiven. If you're traveling for pleasure, PLAN AHEAD.
Yes I stand with these people too
Nothing is genuine any more.
Anymore?
Your Soul
My comment is genuine
Miyutake oyasin
Weve only one earth.
💙
Why don't they come to Pitcher Oklahoma it's a ghost town and has alot of the lithium and other things in pitcher and a couple of surrounding towns there in Oklahoma.
If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
protect thacker pass
4:13
Give up some money and make the deal
Solar cars?
ditch the cobalt & lithium... let's just use Vibranium
Be very wary of the conflation between a hallmark for cleaner solutions (EVs) and indigenous land rights. The problem is the inherent actions of capital against indigenous peoples who are left exploited and disposed for their land. Indigenous peoples have a right abd a voice to their land, not the forces of keeping commodity market prices healthy.
Clearly, the corporation element, the free market element, the profit motive can be omitted to create a conflict of interests in the public.
One should examine of Bolivia's socialist government (pre 2019 coup) enshrined all of its resources to the land and people of Bolivia. They were building their own Lithium "mines" where the Bolivian government can determine its own price for lithium-sodium carbonate and their own Electric vehicle programe .
That protected Bolivian recourses from free market commodity exploitation from the US and Canada - hence the astro-turf far right coup.
No its not.
Your intelligent keep digging
Lithium is "oil" dyed green...
@@LIGHTWORKER-po9di Not the brightest bulb , are you?
@@Ji_hadJoe that's what commoditisation in this capitalist system does.
Is there any petition to ban this
@@ejbh3160 Yes, one with Greenpeace in my country
Just call Musk....
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Contaminate the lithium without destroying or damaging the land and the land will be safe.
I’ve never seen this coverage in the US
mine away, these aren't environmentalists but opportunists.
Cry me a river.
lol if they want to go environmental just use horses
can't wait to see this project breaking ground!! 🔋⚡♻
$LAC $200+
Local resident of the area. It’s funny to have the tribes say protect the environment. The Shoshone reservation in the area is a wasteland of trash with zero regard for the environment. Guess they didn’t want to show that….
Lithium does not require destructive means like this video suggests. Please learn more
Exactly!
I mean how else do people get minerals for you to have the way of life that America has provided you. Cars, A/C, plumbing, electricity. You can romanticize the old times all you want but in that era y’all were fighting and killing each other and the euros came and protected and provided for you. Ya there are trade offs, but if you really wanted to live that old life you could and would.
Why some of the Native Americans looks like East Asians ? Are they related ?
How did your ancestors use this Thacker pass area when it was Lake Bonneville? This was a lovely enjoyable inland ocean teaming with fish and wildlife back in the day... The lake bed should have been left alone by native humans.. Native humans should never have tread on the bones and shells of the receding lake. At what point does someone decide that they can lay claim to land use? What gives the people today any voice?.. its amazing that we suppose we are somehow important in all of this. Do you suppose that the planet is somehow being anything more than indifferent to human existance or protest?
Whatever you believe. It needs to be protected not protested.
Water Is Life homie...✊🏽
Supercapacitors are the awnser.
They don't require lithium as they can be made from graphene which is simply carbon.
As an added bonus the geopolitics of securing lithium supplies is removed.
You aren’t aware by now, that destroying lands are done on purpose?
@@ImsHippieNatureWomanChildofYah The demand for faster charging for EV's will drive the competitiveness of supercapacitors over lithium based storage technology.
If you are fine with having range of maybe 2 minutes.
@@jakx2ob _Energy storage leap could slash electric car charging times_
_Development of new material for supercapacitors has potential to raise range to that of petrol cars_
Guardian 26 Feb 2018
@@Ji_hadJoe ah ok. that would be pretty cool even if doesn't live up to the hype. Getting rid of tantalum alone would be pretty nice.
Sick and tried of all the crapola being flung around about how all this land is somehow "sacred". Fact is 99% of the time its not sacred at all. It's empty sagebrush land that no native Americans even live close by, let alone have even walked on or looked at. Then there's all the sudden, well, its not really sacred when they want to build a Indian casino.....
It's flat useless land just mine it.
Most of the Lithium is used on Goths, not batteries.
Not - Sorry, what is a 'Goth" ?
Move out of the way!
Buy from aUstralia
acting is low bar need you to stop lieing
Libs eating libs
Thanks biden
Sacred land because there was a battle / massacre here....
*Belgium coughs*
Based geralt
If one grain of soil is moved we lose, our planet loses. Lets save the planet. lets dig holes in it.
Disingenuous video in that it focuses on EVs. In reality since their invention in 1992 the world has produced hundreds of billions of lithium batteries. Cell phones ALONE account for at least 12 billion. Add cameras, pads, laptops, speakers, hearing aids, lawnmowers, children's toys, drones, airplanes etc . Where was the outrage as 99.9% of these batteries ended up in landfills and incinerators? EVs have opened the door to mass recovery of the chemicals in the batteries. Many companies have started down the path of 100% recovery and reuse. To pretend we could stop this process is delusional and dishonest. What's truly needed is dialogue, education, negotiations to minimize damages to humans and the environment in which they live. We're now 8 billion humans. Civilization has been wildly successful. We now have the tools and know how to address some of the harm. How about we focus on that and dump grievance pushing journalism?
The difference is scale. Both grid-scale batteries and EV batteries use orders of magnitude more lithium than anything else - an average phone has a battery capable of storing ~10Wh of energy, whereas a high-end electric car, like a Tesla Model S P100D, for instance, has a 100,000Wh battery. Thus, your 12,000,000,000 phone batteries would equate to around 1,200,000 electric cars; enough for less than 0.5% of Americans to own an electric car, or 0.015% of the world's population.
Civilization has been wildly successful? How can you say that when our civilization is literally threatening extinction of ourselves, our precious civilization, and many other species too? Dump grievance pushing journalism? Dump boot lickers and colonial supremacists. Time to make some leavers out of the nonbelievers, before they destroy the natural world.
The spice must flow. We're not going to torpedo our economy because some random patch of desert scrubland suddenly became "sacred" out of nowhere. Now they have a sacred mine I guess.
Every square inch of this earth is indigenous, one group of people are never more important than another .so we either stop digging everywhere or learn to live with it
10000000%
It is not indigenous people’s land. Clearly it was purchased by the mine company. These people need to get coordinated and and keep some records where they bury their “sacred “ ancestors.
The need to have a reliable source of lithium to support US energy needs overrides "sacred".
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The billion dollar question is why do we need to get away from fossil fuels in order to make lithium batteries they have to use Fossil fuels to do it, it doesn't make sense.
Major lithium mine essential to electrification vs sage bundles and prayers
I'm a progressive, I'm also an ESG investor and I do my due diligence. Lithium batteries offset their carbon footprint and go on to produce free green energy for decades after. And EVs end ice vehicles and minimize fossil fuels which is really killing mother earth. And now that more money is flowing into the space we have new clean and sustainable lithium extraction tech (DLE)! We also now have economically and environmental ways to recycle lithium batteries. But we still don't have enough lithium available. So we will need lithium mining and new discoveries and new materials to compete with lithium batteries storage especially. But Lithium demand is here to stay.
Why indigenous people are entitled to own large trunk of land for free while the rest of American wage slaves are forced to pay high gas prices and rent? That's acceptable?
Pick one the oil pipeline or lithium. Stop whining
You know peoples sacred lands can wait. The sacred lands are being destroyed by global warning. We need this metal.
Im sorry native people but I disagree. If this was for Gold mining then i would 100% side with the native people... but we need to get rid of fossel fuels! Think about the kids in 3rd world countries mining lithium in life threatening situations.. I feel that us removing lithium from the desert (mostly open unoccupied space anyways) is much less an issue as long as there are strict rules about putting the dirt back so there are no huge pits left over after the deposits are removed. Its the lesser of two evils and needs to be done. The native people need to make sacrifices for the betterment of our world and to keep us from having slaves in 3rd world countries mining lithium..
So you want to keep the Native Americans as the US personal slaves? Like the old times?
We are starting to change things in our third world countries. There's no Cold War anymore, so you can't come again with your Condor Plans and your coups. We and the Native Peoples have the right of self determination.
Didn’t these same people support the standing rock protests against the pipeline. So only certain tribal lands are worth saving
Haven’t they sacrificed enough already?
Trump should be jailed for dismantling the EPA and allowing disasters like this to be approved and causing Flint Michigan resident to still have no clean water!!!
Sacred schmacred. Lol at those crying over a massacre from 1865. The hardships of your ancestors are not yours to claim as your own.
Where would you be today if all your ancestors were killed 100 years ago? If I stole your car, would you not want it prepaid or returned? However if I cut your head off, then that makes it okay and I owe nothing?
Had to be a Karen who says this kinda thing.
TITLE SHOULD SAY: USA ABOUT TO INVADE CHILE TO PROTECT NATIVE INDIAN LANDS FULL OF LITHIUM AND INSTALL DEMOCRACY LOL
Been out there hundreds of times,never seen any Indians out there
Like a protection camp with some Indians is going to save the land. Not happening. Lithium here we come! Hahaha. What happened to Cleveland? 😃😃😃😃😃