This is the WORST case of WAXOYL We've Ever Seen || Mahker Weekly EP112
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- This is the WORST case of WAXOYL We've Ever Seen || Mahker Weekly EP112
In this episode:
00:00 Intro
00:40 Custom Exhaust & Tank for Chevy LX3 V8 Defender 90
04:53 We've never seen this much WaxOyl on a Chassis 💀
08:02 Unimog Truck Bed rejoins the body
10:00 M57 to MT82 Adapter Plate - Precision Dowels
12:00 LX3 Exhaust Progress
13:43 How bad is this 40 YEAR OLD Chassis?
17:26 Plans for this Series 2 Defender! & Outro
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:40 Custom Exhaust & Tank for Chevy LX3 V8 Defender 90
04:53 We've never seen this much WaxOyl on a Chassis 💀
08:02 Unimog Truck Bed rejoins the body
10:00 M57 to MT82 Adapter Plate - Precision Dowels
12:00 LX3 Exhaust Progress
13:43 How bad is this 40 YEAR OLD Chassis?
17:26 Plans for this Series 2 Defender! & Outro
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Products like waxoil are both good and terrible. All too often people don't put them on new vehicles where rust is already present. The wax oil won't stop this rust which will creep. If the part isn't rusty then it does have value. The same applies to bituminous undersealers. I have just been laboriously scraping this off cleaning and neutralising surface rust and epoxy coating. I prefer epoxy because if there is a subsequent problem you will find it. Box sections are always a problem. And if you drive your vehicle into salt water it's terminal.
Thanks for that explanation much appreciated and I agree it’s just not a mechanics best friend either.
"I've never seen this much oil on a chassis"...
And I've never seen this much chassis on a 80's Landrover !!
For an early 110 that chassis is very nice. The waxoyl might not be pretty, but it seems to have done its job. 👍
I'd say wax oil is a good product. It's 40 years old and still steel. 😅
Waxolyed my 2002 discovery and was in great condition even after 18 years.
Bought my Ford Mondeo 20 years ago this year and Waxoyled it soon as I got it. Still looks like new underneath.
It's the filler that's the problem not the waxoyl.
I love the smell of waxoyl more than those dangly things that hang on the mirror that make the vehicle smell like a tart's handbag!
Waxoil is good stuff, this video proves it
I wish someone had waxoiled my 1976 Peugeot when it was new. Maybe if they had I wouldn't now be cutting rust out of it and welding new steel in.
The Waxoyl seems to have worked pretty well.
It certainly did its job
Wax oil is still the best option for a chassis,tried and tested it works. Sorry its not nice for you but it is still by far the best option.
Looks like it did a great job, especially considering how it was prepped before being put on. Disgusting at this stage, obvs.
really ,,,, 40 years ago it was an option , today it causes more grief than it prevents ,,,
Don't really get the hating of Waxoyl. The only reason youre able to work on it is because of the Waxoyl! Without it it would be in someonex garden, as garden furniture, following a short round trip via China!
@hotrodchris805 fair point!
@@hotrodchris805 waxols formula has changed , about ten years ago , now it causes more issues than it solves , time has moved on and waxol does not cut it any more ,, look at it this way , they dont use waxol on helicopters ,, enough said.
the land rover at the end is a 1976 series 3, not a series 2. the series 2 became a series 2A and that was replaced in late 1971 by the series 3
I stand corrected it was at the end of a long day day I’m trying my best Dave.
Yeah I thought the same thing!,
You are only a pup Dave. I am old enough to remember the excitement of getting in my late mothers brand new 1971 Series Three Station Wagon. I was small and it was huge and smelled amazing. Kind of loved them ever since. @@wearemahker
I'm not sure why you title this video as 'WORST case of WAXOYL', looks to me it did a good job in stopping the underside rusting away!
Flip back up the comments, we’ve explained this a few times. Our job was to remove it and replace it with our dry underbody treatment. It was the worst we’ve ever had to remove. It was so thick. We’ve never said it did a bad job. We just don’t like the stuff, it’s messy and gets everywhere and if applied late, it locks the rust in
Just amazing work guys! Love the craftsmanship on that exhaust!
Thank you for making these videos, I really appreciate them.
Thank you for watching them. We’d be nothing without our subscribers
We used to cut through the load bay floor to repair the chassis in those hard to get at areas. Much quicker than trying to do a body off job.
Got to admit I am in agreement with quite a few comments in saying that waxoil is actually a pretty good rust preventer . It might not look the best especially if there hasn't been a lot of preparation but it is easy to apply and reapply when needed . There is definitely alternatives , lanolin based are supposed to be good , or something like dinitrol , remember though that to pay for a quality prep and coating is likely to be way over £1000 .
Looking forward to seeing how that Series 2 or 3 at the end turns out. Sounds like it will be a nice unit.
I have an '88 Merc 207d motorhome, only one of 6 left on the road. Only reason why it hasn't turned to dust like all the others is because someone Waxoyled the chassis from new. Still took about 2wks work rebuilding the front bulk head, but she's still existing and re Waxoyled.
Impressive stuff, thanks for posting.
Thank you 🙏
“Sump rusting through” 😂. Looked like light surface rust to me 👍
I just keep my chassis moderately clean, and oily. Oil based paint, kept
oiled semi regularly, sprayed with thin, water displacing oils. (Series 2a)
I'm not into waxoyl, or anything that laminates, causing capillary action.
Rust kills LandRovers. My first one nearly broke in half. since then I have had six LandRovers and WaxOyled them all, I even have an attachment on a long plastic pipe so
I can treat the full length of the chassis internally. It also means thar nuts and bolts can be remoned for maintenance and prevents galvanic corrosion. If you hate WaxOyl so
much please recommend an alternative way of stopping the rot short of rebuilding the whole thing onto a galvanised chassis. Cheers.
We’ve been talking about our body treatment in the last few vlogs but will get Dave to make a separate video on is as it’s been requested a lot
So that's why you were slagging off the excellent
Waxoyl, you have your own product.🤣🤣
@nudebaboon4874 no, not our own product at all. We do offer a full Chris protection service though. One that actually dries and doesn’t leave a sticky mess all under your vehicle which gets on everything every time you work on the vehicle. Flick back a few episodes and Bruno shows you what we do
Absolutely Mint 👌👌👌👌👌
Fantastic video, keep up the good work! If I may ask what ratios do you guys run in your transfer boxes for all the different engines? I recently drove a 300tdi defender with a discovery transfer box but I didn't really like the ratios, first gear was too tall. I am thinking of putting the ashcroft special 1.301 ratio in my 300tdi for better road speed. Also do you fit the V8 fifth gear ratios in your 200tdi/300tdi builds sometimes? Does it make a difference? It is between the 1.301 ratio and the V8 5th gear ratio for me. Thank you.
I'd recommend leave everything as standard as possible. Any ratio longer than the original 1.41 will be too long for the in my opinion already quite tall first gear.
Yes, a longer fifth gear would be nice on longer trips with not too much load over mostly flat terrain. However, towing, fully loaded or in the hills it will be very long and make the engine work unnecessary hard. The original gearing is there for a reason. My experience is, the more people change/modify, the more likely something does not go as planned.
Dave, when you weld the defender bodies what filler rods are you using. Aluminium or an alloy ? Kind regards loving the channel
Surely now is the time for a new chassis on the 40 year old car. Was it only a few years ago I saw peeps saying they would swap out your crusty one for a new galv' version and give you change out of £4.5k.
Throw shade on the waxoil all ya want but theres hardly any rust where it is.
We just don’t like to work on vehicles plastered in the sticky stuff
Question for Dave's next Q&A session.
R380 vs MT85 when mated to the M57. Can the R380 handle the torque of the M57? Are they and advantages of staying with the R380 over the MT85 (cost: new gearbox, propshafts etc).
If you were to stay with a stock bmw 184 Bhp I’d say you’d get away with Keeping the R380. But personally we love the mt82 💪
Love these cars , I just hope you make them more reliable than Land Rover does - allegedly!
Seems to me that the waxoil has done a cracking job.
Imagine if it didn't have the Waxoil?
It wouldn’t even be here I don’t think
So that grit blaster is a 'total loss' system (would have like to seen it at work) where you then have to hoover up the mess it leaves behind (and possibly sieve and reuse some of it?) ? How much grit does it use in say 15 mins ? Probably a bin full in 15 mins ?
Good questions. We’re gonna make a film where Bruno shows the whole underbody treatment process. We’ll make sure he answers this but yes, we reuse the blast
Hi guys. I believe very early landy body work was made from Burmabrite alloy. Not used today. Anyone reading this could they shed some light on the subject. Thanks Dave
You are correct Dave, it was Birmabright, an aluminium magnesium alloy, from the Birmingham area. Originating from 1929.
Err that last vehicle, if original, is a 1976 series IIa - not II. Headlights in the wings and a heavier bearing (same bearing as series III) in the first motion shaft of the gearbox.
Yeah we made a mistake, you’re right. It was a long day when we filmed this
Wasn't that "R" registered land rover at the end, a series 3 rather than a series 2? It had the series 3 front and was right for the year, 1976-77.
It is. We made a mistake at the end of a long day
Excuse my limited knowledge guys, but you said series 2, I thought series 2 and 2A had headlights in the centre near the grille, I thought they went into the wings on latter series 2A’s and series 3?
Kind regards
Tony
Yes, looks like a series 3, dashboard, grille, headlights and the late reg would suggest series 3.
The chap expertly welding the exhaust looks to be using TIG, but only using one hand? Would love a little more info.
He’s merging the pipes with no filler rod
None of this would have happened if they galvanised the chassis in the first place.!
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Is Fred four tips bonkers a "ONE THE POLAR BEAR MISSED" kind of chap ?
I used waxoyl under classic motorbike mudguards. 1970s bikes liked to rusty big this was good. A free years later there was no waxoyl on the bike. It had literally dried up and fallen off. How would that work inside a chassis cavity? It simply wouldn’t do anything of value. In my opinion it’s snake oil.
Series 3 grill, bonnet and front guards?
Whole interior too - must be a 3.!
Nothing wrong with Waxoyl, brilliant product!
just found your page and saw a landy on there so i had to click on is it all landrovers you do if so i will be back thanks for the video
We’re mostly modifying Land Rover defenders yes, so welcome! Enjoy the videos, there are lots of episodes for you to watch
thank you so much for taking the time to answer me we love landrovers but only have freelanders as that where my wife started out and she has had hers 23 years and its a 1998 1800 model we had the head gasket done but properly like head skimmed and the 3 ply gasket put on and touch wood it has been ok since mine is a td4 thats my second one i have to have autos and my left knee is not good even after a new one and we are down in Stoke so not far away
@@wearemahker
That series 2 at the end has a series 3 facelift - complete with nasty plastic grill! Or it's a series 3 with all original bits??
It’s a 3. Mistake whilst shooting at the end of a long day
@@wearemahker Yeah, went back and checked the dash!
Came for the Waxoil - stayed for the MOG - subbed!
Welcome to the journey
@@wearemahker Ha ha, played with the green oval back in the 80's - used to be able to pick up Ford v6's and Rover v8's for peanuts - we shoehorned them into everything. You could get surplus Lightweights and old Rang-Rovers as payment for towing them away!
No need for that music ! , thank you.
Which music?
“Im Dave for those that don’t know me.” ………and those that know me my name is……????😂😂😂
Still Dave.
Given how much you guys seem to despise wax oil, what would you recommend instead
If you flick back a few videos, our Bruno shows you our complete understanding of body treatment
@@wearemahker i only heard him say: sandblasting, rust converter (didn't hear which brand you recommend?) and a topcoat of the brand Kent (also didn't say which paint?). Can you give the names of the products you are using?
In my opinion on top of that an extra layer of a waxoil doesn't hurt, except for the looks.
@@jensvandeun3869 Hi Dave here sorry I’m not prepared to disclose my businesses recipe if you’d like your chassis treated please book in with me or you can buy a DIY kit from me thanks Dave.
I've stripped a 130 and a 110 chassis of waxoil, nasty job, I've usually been a big fan and there's no doubt that cavity wax certainly prevents corrosion from the inside, however, we see lorry's on the road every day, they cover millions of miles in all weather's and don't have their chassis covered with Waxoil, they're painted with decent quality chassis paint. Usually they have a lot of ancillary components painted at the same time, engine, box, air tanks, lines etc are all painted, a lot of commercials are done in the same way, I'd think it would look decent on a Defender.
2 points Dave, is that a 40 year old Defender or a pre Defender Land Rover 110? And is that a series 2 as it looks like it has a series 3 dash, grille and door hinges, it's also a late reg for an S2 or S2A. 👍
Its a pre Defender 110 and the car at the end is indeed an S3 not an S2!
If waxoyl is bad, what replacement product is good?
If you flick back a few vlogs, we talk about the underbody treatment that we do
But we’ll shoot a video soon where we just show this for you
Waxoyl is in no way bad stuff!
@nudebaboon4874 it does the job if applied before the rust has started. But we see too many examples of people who’ve smashed it on and it seals the rust in making it rust even more underneath. There’s so many better ways to protect your chassis that doesn’t leave a sticky mess underneath and gets on your clothes every time you work on it
I can’t get my head wrapped around how much these LRs rust.
My 67 Nissan Patrol has two small rust spots on the back panel of the body, while the chassis is rock solid with only surface rust.
I live in Western Canada where it doesn’t rain as much as in the UK, but I am shocked at the condition of these Land Rover chassis, comparatively speaking.
Granted, my Patrol has long been removed from daily driver duties but still.
What gives?
All the salt they spread in winter - permanent damp and with the LandRovers the mix of alloy/steel is metal homicide!
@dancarter482 this ☝️☝️
@@dancarter482 salt here too. Must be the mix of metals you mentioned.
@@ReduxGarage Could be down to poor quality metals too - I know Ford had a bad batch in mid 80's and Italian & Jap stuff all disintegrated overnight from 70's on.
I used waxoil on my escort rs nearly 30 yrs ago and removed some of it and underneath it was like new
Land rover a breeding ground for tin worm
Bit confused by the title... Are you saying that using a rust preventing wax is a 'bad' idea?
I'm a Fluid Film guy, because that's all that's easily available locally (I'm in Norway) and yes, it's messy, yes it's sticky, gunky stuff and yes, it's a pain when you need to do any work, you get lathered in it, but...
On the upside, I know that my car has a fair shot at lasting a while. Without it I'd be lucky to get 15 years out of it before the tinworm eats it all up...
Yes, I think we’re acknowledging that It! has done a good job, but I recommendation would be alternative treatments as early on in the ownership of the vehicle as possible
exhaust is sweet ,,, or it should be with all that sugar.
Waxoyl one of the best products ever 👍
Said no one ever 😂
@@wearemahkeryou obviously haven't read most of the other comments.😂
Still steel tho.
The subscribers and views are moving in the right direction here. Stick with it Dave its coming together.
Waxoyl - the bodgers friend IME, hides a multitude of sins and easy to slop on. Not a fan either unless its the clear type within box sections and cavities - ideally when the car is new.
Oh don’t worry we’re not going anywhere
Only brandnew material can be treated with Waxoil, allthough I do prefer Lineoil, as it’s moleculair structure fits with the structure of metal. Older material will rust faster when treated with any other than Lineoil.
The folks who complain about oil coatings while working on a 40 year old car (me included) are working on a 40 year old car. Otherwise this car would have been made into brake drums 20 years ago.
Strange title for a video showing a product that has clearly done it's job.
It was the worst we’ve ever had to remove. So that’s the correct title, no?
@@wearemahker Well- when I see "the worst" I think bad. It clearly wasn't bad.
@@steveworth544 steve next time we will invite you over for your expert opinion 👍
@steveworth544 it was! It was terrible to remove, the worst we’ve ever had to do.
@@wearemahker I have restored several cars and bikes in my 66 years and have just restored a Citroen DS- doing everything myself and I find your sarcasm is a bit childish. Don't bother re waxoyling it- just fit a new chassis in 15 years time.
Watched 3 minutes then turned off.......... What awful background noise (music?) just leave it out.
What were you watching/listening on? Phone/laptop/tv so we can investigate (Chris)
This would be much more informative and easier to watch without all the plinky plonky noises accompanying it. It is not a hollywood production nor is it a drama of any kind. The noises are distracting and unnecessary in this type of video. Secondly I am assuming the owner of this vehicle does not intend to take it off road other than perhaps a lane or grassy field. If he does he will find the twin tailpipes of that very nice exhaust will be below the mud levels on steep uphills and will rapidly become clogged up. Also there is probably not enough clearance between it and the rear axle where extreme alternate articulation occurs unless both axles are to be fitted with a lifted suspension.
Thanks for the feedback. Really gutting to hear such harsh criticism of our production. I work really hard to make these videos as entertaining as possible (Chris the videographer and editor)
++@@wearemahker++ Well I am sorry if you are upset by my comments. Sorry but I still cannot see what benefit this sort of music, or indeed any sort of music, adds to what ought to be a technically informative production. As a Land Rover owner myself, an ancient 90 in fact, I had hoped to view your video and learn something new and informative. Instead I was annoyed and distracted and, I am sorry to say, forced to cut short my viewing of your work.
I think you underestimate how thick my skin is. We’ve built a channel of 35000 subscribers who love our videos. If you want to watch technical videos we’re not the channel for you.
But if you ever make your own channel send me a link. I’d be delighted to give your content advice that you didn’t ask for. (Chris the videographer)
++@@wearemahker++ Well once again I apologise for any offence I might have caused, thick skin notwithstanding. However I find it hard to believe that, having the number of subscribers you claim, you have not encountered criticism of one kind or another before. I would suggest that every single site on YT whatever the content or genre, yes, even those of a purely technical nature, receive posts of a negative, even adverse nature at one time or another whether or not they asked for it. Some indeed almost continuously. That is, put simply, the nature of the internet. You suggest your channel is probably not for me; in return may I suggest YT is probably not the place for a channel such as yours, unless of course your entire 35000 subscribers are all simpering acolytes bowing in awe of your spannering, which I very much doubt.
If mahker say is bad, I say it's bad
This one knows👆👆 😎
Nowt!😂😂
Who spends mega amounts on engine and exhaust, and slaps it into a manky chassis? Mong
It’s our engine mock up chassis 🤣🤣
dreadful appalling awefull background noise, articulate English, I think not
I’m sorry it’s not to your taste
Oh and please correct your spelling of Awful maybe we’re not all perfect after all ☝️
lol. Comments on articulate use of English and can’t spell Awful. 😂
@@ChrisDaviesPhotography what’s the world coming to 🙃😂
Not a very good product. Sorry, that is rubbish.
Can we get that in English please ?
@@wearemahker what are you having trouble with?
I reckon my Defender might give that 110 a run for its money in the thickness of Waxoyl stakes, MoD loved the stuff and trowelled it on in an attempt to prevent the Salisbury Plain tin worms 🪱 £3.5k sounds like a bargain to get back looking like new…! ❤ Mahker
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MoD used "Underseal" that's like tar - even worse than Kaxoil because capillary action allows moisture to creep in and rot them from within - got the same problem with my '98 Merc bus.
@@dancarter482 MOD use Dinatrol on later vehicles Inc Land Rovers.