Born in 1972, I grew up and still live in Namibia, Africa. Growing up we had them all, from a series 1 (Which was still doing daily work on the farm until we sold her about 4 years ago) all the way through to the Defender Puma. On the farm we still have a Series IIa in daily use. I have a Defender Puma 2.4L, but my all-time favorite, and still my daily driver, is my 1996 TDi300. It has about 400 000KM on the clock. She starts first time every time. Obviously with a puff of black smoke. So, I'm bias, emotionally connected, but both the TDi300 and the TD5 sounds like a Landy should sound. For those of you who have Landies, remember to always wave at other Landies and to those who does not have one, sorry.
Ask a LR non franchise workshop , if you are a normal civillian customer , they will say a td5 is a good car ( good for buisiness ) , if you are in the trade as a dealer , they will tend to tell you to shy away , because a td5 is not a reliable engine choice , tdi 200 / tdi 300 are a far more reliable choice , that said , the PUMA 2.4 is a good motor , just watch your oil levels , its British . The Puma 2.2 , the latter version is more reliable , even though devoid of real engine compression . In my honest opinion , the BMW based td5 is the least trusted , having run Defenders up and down Africa for years . Of course a mechanic will tell a non trade person , its a good car , he will make his profit out of you
@colinhoward74 My father in law has had his Td5 for around 12 years now. Hauled an 8 ton caterpillar a few times when it's rated for 4.5 ton, I believe. Pushed hundreds of kilometers of roads through farmlands with his trailer, huge trees being pushed. Camped in the most isolated areas, pulled his fiat tractor out of weird places. He makes his own firewood on a regular basis and fills the huge trailer to the brim (like 4 tons every weekend). A shit ton more I can't even think of. He's put on 300k km on the beast. The only mods he's done is a large water tank that's always full, a larger diesel tank, and air suspension in the back The only two issues he's had in the time of owning the vehicle are AC constantly leaking and a MAF sensor failure.
Pros of the 300 tdi. A completely mechanical engine that can be mechanically upgraded to 2.8, bulletproof engine, easy maintenance, parts available all over the world. Cons - slow engine, terrible cooling temperature sensor (needs to install a madman or something similar) That's a win to me ahahaha
Td5 FTW! It’s even better if you own a Nanocom to remap it and to troubleshoot electrical issues. Cheers from a Land Rover Enthusiast American living in England! 🇺🇸🏴
The fuel economy for what is basically a brick is amazing for both of these. But that over 30mpg... oh yes! It makes it the perfect backroads cruiser. I tend to stay off highways now anyways, enjoying the slower, but more fun to drive back roads. Sure, it takes more time, but it tends to have the better scenery and as I said, a LOT more fun to drive. Cheers!
Added a bigger inter cooler and a single baffle stainless exhaust to my 300tdi and had it tuned as far as a mechanical turbo can be and it goes really well. Maybe not as quick as a td5 but very respectable. I would agree it is easy to maintain and parts are generally cheap. However lets face it if someone offered you a Defender and it may be a tdi or a TD5 I’d be happy to take either.
In Australia, we also got the Isuzu 3.9 4BD1T which kills both engines, especially in terms of carrying or pulling any serious loads. Fully mechanical which trumps the Td5. Best engine ever put in a Defender from factory. BMW M57 conversion is probably the best all round engine.
yes the 4bd1t is by far the best engine in a landrover but those models where never called a defender. they where a county, or 110 or was it 130? aswell as the army perentie
@@NewtonInDaHouseYo it is a truck engine, all about the torque delivery, literally from idle. I have owned Rover V8s, 300Tdi and Td5 and the Isuzu beats them all, especially for heavily ladened, off-road work. The following is worth a watch: ua-cam.com/video/GHG91FpOQ9k/v-deo.html
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Fair play, that 300Tdi is as clean as a whistle under acceleration. We’ve owned several Tdis (and a Td5) here in the U.K. and the Tdis were all real smokers. Great video, nice to see U.K. Defenders going on to a second life in the US 👍🏻
Depending on the year of your Tdi’s they might of had egr valves fitted. Certainly on the later ones. And like with every engine with egr smoke is compulsory unless you’re prepared to clean/buy new every two year. Good for the environment though so the boffins tell us! 🤥🙄
Hi folks. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
The Tdi IP can be tweaked to give it a bit more go which will bring the MPG down to the TD5. Myself I would always go for the Tdi. I have had mine for near on 18 years (100k) and I love it. No issues at all and so easy to work on. In the UK rust is always an issue with both.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
I keep hearing this "The good thing about a 300tdi is that it's all mechanical" stuff but the truth is that if you can fix a 300tdi it's just as likely you can fix a TD5. Sure, there ARE things that can go wrong with a TD5 which you won't be able to fix but, y'know, the same applies to a 300tdi. I've had 2.25 petrol Land Rovers, 2.5 diesels, 300tdis and TD5s and, given the choice, I'd take a TD5 every time. It is, IMO, the best engine LR ever put in a vehicle. Realistically, you can forget about all the "weak points" of the TD5 (warping exhaust manifolds, head gasket problems, injector loom problems etc) because they're all fixable and the 300tdi has comparable flaws of it's own. The ONLY real deal-breaker about the TD5 is that the injectors can be damaged by bad fuel. It's a modern engine, it has has high-performaance injectors and bad fuel will kill them within a few hundred miles whereas a 300tdi is a more crude engine so it'll continue to plod along even if the injectors are shot to hell. If I was planning on driving around sketchy bits of Africa for months, I'd pick a 300tdi. In countries where the fuel is good quality, the TD5 leaves the 300tdi for dead every time.
@@DoctorBrodski Yep, the TD5 is a proper electronically controlled engine but the electronics have never been a weak point of the engine. It certainly DOES have electrical issues such as, for example, the (in)famous problem with oil getting into the injector harness and causing poor running, but they're all well-known things that are usually easy to diagnose and cheap to repair - similar to maintaining a 300tdi engine but you'll be tinkering with electrical stuff instead of mechanical stuff. It's very rare for a TD5 to suffer a serious electronic fault that can't be diagnosed and repaired with a bit of googling and watching a couple of youtube videos. ... and now I've said that, I guess I can expect my ECU to snuff it soon. 😖
Both can be easily tuned for more power and torque, Td5 can make silly bhp, Td5 nicer to drive, tdi easier to work on. The tdi will also work after a nuke has detonated and run on 50/50 cooking oil .... Not sure a drag race was much of a test, 30-50 in 4th might have shown more. 👍
I daily drive a td5 110 truck cab here in the uk, plenty of aftermarket parts available nowadays mines 250hp with a switch to change over to a 180hp economy map, 300tdi though a very good engine could never make the power a td5 can and yes im a landrover mechanic believe me i know what they are both like the army made the right choice choosing to stay with the 300 but the td5 was designed as multi fuel injection, ran mine on 50/50 vegetable oil loved it but it smelled like a chip shop😂, supposedly they could run on a kerosene mix but honestly the killer of a td5 is lack of maintenance just give them good fuel turn the power up and its smiles all day long
@@dieselpower8308 You forgot that the Td5 sounds nicer as well! I daily drive an ex army 110 fitted with a 300tdi, boost pin and ring give it a bit more shove, I'd love an OM606 Mercedes transplant with mechanical pump but I'm happy with the 300 for now.
I had a 300tdi for years, and I loved it. I've had my current Td5 for years.. and I love it more. Smoother, more powerful, easy to work on and if you look after it trouble-free. .
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
@@julienchahine7601 The gearbox is much smoother when it has warmed up, that's for sure. But if it's a bit notchy, I would use MTF-94 Fully Synthetic Gear Oil and some LIQUI MOLY Gear-Oil Additive. It's what I use. Combined with a slickshift the gearbox drives like a new car.
Having owned all variants of the Defender engine, i can hear that the TD5 has a straight through exhaust with only the rear box fitted and the centre box and CAT removed, this will give it more acceleration and gives that great Turbo whistle that you here on the video. Check also if its had a stage 1 or 2 tune as lots have had this., personally i prefer the standard tune from factory, still lots of power and better for the engine, i do have the EGR deleted too. As for setting off in higher gears my TD5 will easily set move off in 3rd and even higher if you feather the clutch as you did on the tdi so about the same in bottom end torque.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
They've been compared many-a-time in the past. Comments posted were usually......... ''Td5 for power and noise'' ''Tdi for simplicity a.k.a fix with a spanner and hammer'' Personally, I would have the 5 pot over the 4 and some Td5 engines DO get converted into older Land Rover's believe it or not 🙂 200/300Tdi's will always be legends though 🤜🤛
i own a '00 td5 (120k km), td5 are much easier to tune (with a ecu ramap there is an easy 30hp gain), personally with a rebuilded and modified original turbo, large intercooler, straight pipe, filter and a proper tune it is eays to reach close to 200hp (crank). the 300 tdi is good too but probably a modified fuel pump is needed too.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
with a boost pin and ring and tweaked pump id say economys probably similar, the td5s clearly been remapped and fucked with so kinda an unfair test, also bin that steering wheel its cheap pvc plastic and easily bendable good video overall however, pop the ecu apart of the td5 it should be socketed or atleast resolderd if its had a chip fitted.
Yeah a bit unfair. But even stock vs. stock, the Td5 would win. And tweaked Vs. Tweaked, the Td5 would definitely win. And also, can’t blame me for the steering wheel, that was installed by someone on your side of the pond. Lol
The TD5 has definitely had a decat and it’s definitely had a stage 1 looking at that pick up Although it would still beat the 300 tdi stock but not by a huge margin based on its 1:4 gears
I’ve an 02 disco Td5 still with cat an not mapped, but still I can’t believe how well she pulls! I know disco transfer boxes are higher geared so you don’t keep changing gears unlike my old 300 defender. Brilliant comparison though well done you 👍
Having being a Land Rover mechanic and worked on both these engines/cars I would take the 300tdi, as long as the timing belt modification has been carried out. You got the odd rear water pump gasket and exhaust manifold gasket leaks ( both which can be replaced in 2 hours) the tdi will run for ever. The td5 which had an over complicated injection system (injectors inside the cylinder head) engine harness/ecu failures and head gaskets going, all of which took hours/days to fix. Yes the td5 was faster, (a 90 pick up with a td5 was quicker than the old 3.9 v8) but you could get a 300tdi up to 25mph in low range going from 1st through to 3rd gear without touching the throttle.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Ok first off I want to make this clear, both engines are good in their own individual way, and its ok to compare them against one another when they are both stock. However as soon as you start to tinker with a TD5, it becomes an entirely different beast to a 300TDi, and you just proved it. That TD5 you have, has had a Stage 1 Remap/(chip) at the very least, of that I am damn sure. Its the Turbo wind up sound plus the smokey exhaust (BTW a smokey exhaust is not really what you want to see after a correct tune). I work on Defenders here in Australia (mostly TD5's but have done the odd 300TDi and Puma) and just from the sound that the TD5's making I can tell it has a center replacement exhaust pipe fitted and a chipped ECU (since its a 10P motor). So no surprise as to the results you obtained from your Apple to Mango comparison. From the fuel consumption to the acceleration plus the engine note, that TD5 aint stock.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Hello folks. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
I have a td5 with 60.ooo miles from new I have done a lot of work on it she always does 30 mpg but I am a bit easier on the gas pedal I can get 33 mpg not bad has it’s got Alive stage 3 tune
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
200/300 tdi are awesome engines. Fuel economy is fantastic, reliability, nice low end torque for a small engine and more than enough for a defender that age. But if you mod the car with better suspension, brakes, wheels, tyres…a td5 wil be a more powerful and smoother engine….and you can tume it up to 165 hp aprox(phase1) with no other mods, 180aprox adding bigger intercooler and few other cheap things(phase 2) or even go over 200 hp. I don’t know about phase 3. But with 1 and 2 the td5 is still really reliable. My disco 2 td5 is now more than 300000 kms. I drive as if it was stolen every single day. It revs up to 4000-4250 too many times…and still going strong. It leaks oil everywhere(as land rovers do😂) except for the engine. No oil consumption at all. Phase 1 + tumed up wastegate for more turbo pressure, so around 165-170 hp. Tyres spin in dry if I start strong and it smokes only over around 4000rpm. And not a lot. Over 3500 it looks like it breathes more or better and it pushes even a bit more… Only thing is it will never ever give the low end torque of a big engine. But as low gear is really short even with 32”-33”’s or even if you give it a longer gear at the transfer for H gears for the road, it goes really well. I must add the abs and tc in the discovery 2 are Awesome. With lockers it climbs safer and smoother, but the tc works fantastic until lockers are installed. A shame they didn’t add it to the defender. Both tdi and td5 are awesome engines anyway. Both defes would be in my garage no doubt along with any 70 and 80 series toyota and a good gr/gq nissan patrol… Great video. Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
Hi. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Drag race; first gear is pointless. Start in 2nd. Td5 started in gear, tdi in neutral. And anyway, nobody cares about Landrover drag races. All about practicality and useability. And fixability.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
@@sarahdell4042 Sorry, that is not true. The Rover V8 has much more power than td5 and this power in every rpm range, very good fuel economy and perfect exhaust emission 3,9i with catalyst. Constant service, an good Oil and it is an complete trouble free long life engine.
Apart from the coil packs chucking it and the inlet manifold gasket leaking coolant the 3.9 was the best of the v8 Buick the 3.5 was under powered and the 4.6 that was in the range rovers melted as they had been bored out too much.
Born in 1972, I grew up and still live in Namibia, Africa. Growing up we had them all, from a series 1 (Which was still doing daily work on the farm until we sold her about 4 years ago) all the way through to the Defender Puma. On the farm we still have a Series IIa in daily use. I have a Defender Puma 2.4L, but my all-time favorite, and still my daily driver, is my 1996 TDi300. It has about 400 000KM on the clock. She starts first time every time. Obviously with a puff of black smoke. So, I'm bias, emotionally connected, but both the TDi300 and the TD5 sounds like a Landy should sound. For those of you who have Landies, remember to always wave at other Landies and to those who does not have one, sorry.
I have a 1996 Tdi 300 too!! is my pride, i enjoy it every time i ride it
I'm saving up for a td5
Ask a LR non franchise workshop , if you are a normal civillian customer , they will say a td5 is a good car ( good for buisiness ) , if you are in the trade as a dealer , they will tend to tell you to shy away , because a td5 is not a reliable engine choice , tdi 200 / tdi 300 are a far more reliable choice , that said , the PUMA 2.4 is a good motor , just watch your oil levels , its British . The Puma 2.2 , the latter version is more reliable , even though devoid of real engine compression . In my honest opinion , the BMW based td5 is the least trusted , having run Defenders up and down Africa for years . Of course a mechanic will tell a non trade person , its a good car , he will make his profit out of you
@colinhoward74 My father in law has had his Td5 for around 12 years now. Hauled an 8 ton caterpillar a few times when it's rated for 4.5 ton, I believe. Pushed hundreds of kilometers of roads through farmlands with his trailer, huge trees being pushed. Camped in the most isolated areas, pulled his fiat tractor out of weird places. He makes his own firewood on a regular basis and fills the huge trailer to the brim (like 4 tons every weekend). A shit ton more I can't even think of. He's put on 300k km on the beast. The only mods he's done is a large water tank that's always full, a larger diesel tank, and air suspension in the back
The only two issues he's had in the time of owning the vehicle are AC constantly leaking and a MAF sensor failure.
We traveled around England and Wales for about 8 weeks. That Land Rover folks wave at each other is a myth: no other Defenders waved at us.
Can't beat the sound of a TD5 🤌
Pros of the 300 tdi. A completely mechanical engine that can be mechanically upgraded to 2.8, bulletproof engine, easy maintenance, parts available all over the world.
Cons - slow engine, terrible cooling temperature sensor (needs to install a madman or something similar)
That's a win to me ahahaha
Td5 FTW! It’s even better if you own a Nanocom to remap it and to troubleshoot electrical issues.
Cheers from a Land Rover Enthusiast American living in England! 🇺🇸🏴
I was so pumped to get it here 👍
The fuel economy for what is basically a brick is amazing for both of these. But that over 30mpg... oh yes! It makes it the perfect backroads cruiser. I tend to stay off highways now anyways, enjoying the slower, but more fun to drive back roads. Sure, it takes more time, but it tends to have the better scenery and as I said, a LOT more fun to drive. Cheers!
Sounds like zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance📕
Added a bigger inter cooler and a single baffle stainless exhaust to my 300tdi and had it tuned as far as a mechanical turbo can be and it goes really well. Maybe not as quick as a td5 but very respectable. I would agree it is easy to maintain and parts are generally cheap. However lets face it if someone offered you a Defender and it may be a tdi or a TD5 I’d be happy to take either.
In Australia, we also got the Isuzu 3.9 4BD1T which kills both engines, especially in terms of carrying or pulling any serious loads. Fully mechanical which trumps the Td5.
Best engine ever put in a Defender from factory.
BMW M57 conversion is probably the best all round engine.
I’d rather walk.
yes the 4bd1t is by far the best engine in a landrover but those models where never called a defender. they where a county, or 110 or was it 130? aswell as the army perentie
@@izaacbanks3337 correct, they were only in the 'County 110' and the ADF Perentie.
„… 1988 models had 83 kW (113 PS; 111 hp) at 3200 rpm 270 N⋅m (200 lb⋅ft) at 1900 rpm.“ doesn’t sound very impressive on paper, though.
@@NewtonInDaHouseYo it is a truck engine, all about the torque delivery, literally from idle. I have owned Rover V8s, 300Tdi and Td5 and the Isuzu beats them all, especially for heavily ladened, off-road work. The following is worth a watch: ua-cam.com/video/GHG91FpOQ9k/v-deo.html
TD5 + Nanocum for UE, towing and medium trip in North Africa Trip (Marocco). For long trip or Africa country, 300 and 200 TDI without hesitation.
Absolutely no reason why a td5 can’t do the whole of Africa
TD5 defender for me any day of the week. I use mine as daily driver.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Part of the weight difference is the tree sliders on the td5. They weigh a lot.
Always loved the sound of the TD5.
Fair play, that 300Tdi is as clean as a whistle under acceleration. We’ve owned several Tdis (and a Td5) here in the U.K. and the Tdis were all real smokers. Great video, nice to see U.K. Defenders going on to a second life in the US 👍🏻
I did the timing belt and set the injection pump back to the correct position. So thanks for that. Did my best to make it run properly.
Depending on the year of your Tdi’s they might of had egr valves fitted. Certainly on the later ones. And like with every engine with egr smoke is compulsory unless you’re prepared to clean/buy new every two year. Good for the environment though so the boffins tell us! 🤥🙄
@@johnbooth4740 I took mine off as it was oiling up the intake. Mine doesn't smoke so it's OK.
What would you recommend between 300tdi and td5?
Hi folks. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
The thing I like about the TD5 is the centrifugal oil filter!
Yup. Have yet to change one on my own. One day soon!
@@powerstanceimportexport5154don’t over tighten- it’s aluminium and the threads like to rip out.
5Nm only 👍
The Tdi IP can be tweaked to give it a bit more go which will bring the MPG down to the TD5. Myself I would always go for the Tdi. I have had mine for near on 18 years (100k) and I love it. No issues at all and so easy to work on. In the UK rust is always an issue with both.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Nicely done! Thanks for your videos.
I keep hearing this "The good thing about a 300tdi is that it's all mechanical" stuff but the truth is that if you can fix a 300tdi it's just as likely you can fix a TD5.
Sure, there ARE things that can go wrong with a TD5 which you won't be able to fix but, y'know, the same applies to a 300tdi.
I've had 2.25 petrol Land Rovers, 2.5 diesels, 300tdis and TD5s and, given the choice, I'd take a TD5 every time.
It is, IMO, the best engine LR ever put in a vehicle.
Realistically, you can forget about all the "weak points" of the TD5 (warping exhaust manifolds, head gasket problems, injector loom problems etc) because they're all fixable and the 300tdi has comparable flaws of it's own.
The ONLY real deal-breaker about the TD5 is that the injectors can be damaged by bad fuel.
It's a modern engine, it has has high-performaance injectors and bad fuel will kill them within a few hundred miles whereas a 300tdi is a more crude engine so it'll continue to plod along even if the injectors are shot to hell.
If I was planning on driving around sketchy bits of Africa for months, I'd pick a 300tdi.
In countries where the fuel is good quality, the TD5 leaves the 300tdi for dead every time.
Very good points. Thanks!
Would you like to see a properly tuned 300 tdi with stock turbo smoke a 170bhp td5?
Also good luck with the block of a td5.
Doesn't the TD5 also feature electronics, being a modern engine? We know how much fun they can be when they get old and glitchy.
@@DoctorBrodski Yep, the TD5 is a proper electronically controlled engine but the electronics have never been a weak point of the engine.
It certainly DOES have electrical issues such as, for example, the (in)famous problem with oil getting into the injector harness and causing poor running, but they're all well-known things that are usually easy to diagnose and cheap to repair - similar to maintaining a 300tdi engine but you'll be tinkering with electrical stuff instead of mechanical stuff.
It's very rare for a TD5 to suffer a serious electronic fault that can't be diagnosed and repaired with a bit of googling and watching a couple of youtube videos.
... and now I've said that, I guess I can expect my ECU to snuff it soon. 😖
Maintenance is everything, look after your Defender and it will look after you.
Fit a boost pin and boost ring to the 300tdi...then repeat..
Hey…What does that do?
damn those sound awesome!!
Both can be easily tuned for more power and torque, Td5 can make silly bhp, Td5 nicer to drive, tdi easier to work on. The tdi will also work after a nuke has detonated and run on 50/50 cooking oil .... Not sure a drag race was much of a test, 30-50 in 4th might have shown more. 👍
Iv never seen a td5 make silly power to be honest there junk try getting one over 200hp and reliable.....stick an m57 into a defender
@@siancarroll3801 250 is easy and reliable
@@siancarroll3801yes, smooth and powerful
I daily drive a td5 110 truck cab here in the uk, plenty of aftermarket parts available nowadays mines 250hp with a switch to change over to a 180hp economy map, 300tdi though a very good engine could never make the power a td5 can and yes im a landrover mechanic believe me i know what they are both like the army made the right choice choosing to stay with the 300 but the td5 was designed as multi fuel injection, ran mine on 50/50 vegetable oil loved it but it smelled like a chip shop😂, supposedly they could run on a kerosene mix but honestly the killer of a td5 is lack of maintenance just give them good fuel turn the power up and its smiles all day long
@@dieselpower8308 You forgot that the Td5 sounds nicer as well! I daily drive an ex army 110 fitted with a 300tdi, boost pin and ring give it a bit more shove, I'd love an OM606 Mercedes transplant with mechanical pump but I'm happy with the 300 for now.
TD5 has a cool 5 cylinder sound … even for a diesel!
Not even a raptor sounds like that td5🤌🏽😍. It looks like the sound of a REO military truck
I see that new mic!! 🎤 Great video!
It definitely helps. Thanks!
My standard td5 consistently returns 32mpg on road and 28 off road. Something not quite right with that one only doing 28mpg on road.
I had a 300tdi for years, and I loved it. I've had my current Td5 for years.. and I love it more. Smoother, more powerful, easy to work on and if you look after it trouble-free.
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Exactly what I want to hear.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
@@julienchahine7601 The gearbox is much smoother when it has warmed up, that's for sure. But if it's a bit notchy, I would use MTF-94 Fully Synthetic Gear Oil and some LIQUI MOLY Gear-Oil Additive. It's what I use. Combined with a slickshift the gearbox drives like a new car.
Having owned all variants of the Defender engine, i can hear that the TD5 has a straight through exhaust with only the rear box fitted and the centre box and CAT removed, this will give it more acceleration and gives that great Turbo whistle that you here on the video. Check also if its had a stage 1 or 2 tune as lots have had this., personally i prefer the standard tune from factory, still lots of power and better for the engine, i do have the EGR deleted too. As for setting off in higher gears my TD5 will easily set move off in 3rd and even higher if you feather the clutch as you did on the tdi so about the same in bottom end torque.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
They've been compared many-a-time in the past. Comments posted were usually.........
''Td5 for power and noise''
''Tdi for simplicity a.k.a fix with a spanner and hammer''
Personally, I would have the 5 pot over the 4 and some Td5 engines DO get converted into older Land Rover's believe it or not 🙂
200/300Tdi's will always be legends though 🤜🤛
What does a decent 300tdi go for in the US these days?
Thanks for the video
Straight pipe , sounds savage.
What is the age of the td5 I was told that all td5 are to young to send to America
I actually had a 1998 Td5 disco and defender. But most of them started in 1999. So just now eligible this year.
I think personally the tdi has more low down bottom end grunt but other that that performance wise the td5 is better
i own a '00 td5 (120k km), td5 are much easier to tune (with a ecu ramap there is an easy 30hp gain), personally with a rebuilded and modified original turbo, large intercooler, straight pipe, filter and a proper tune it is eays to reach close to 200hp (crank). the 300 tdi is good too but probably a modified fuel pump is needed too.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
I really thought the td5 would be move efficient on fuel
with a boost pin and ring and tweaked pump id say economys probably similar, the td5s clearly been remapped and fucked with so kinda an unfair test, also bin that steering wheel its cheap pvc plastic and easily bendable good video overall however, pop the ecu apart of the td5 it should be socketed or atleast resolderd if its had a chip fitted.
Yeah a bit unfair. But even stock vs. stock, the Td5 would win. And tweaked Vs. Tweaked, the Td5 would definitely win. And also, can’t blame me for the steering wheel, that was installed by someone on your side of the pond. Lol
Later td5s are remaped from obd port no nead to go into ecu
The TD5 has definitely had a decat and it’s definitely had a stage 1 looking at that pick up
Although it would still beat the 300 tdi stock but not by a huge margin based on its 1:4 gears
Right, I know it wasn’t really fair. Mainly I just wanted to show how much quicker the Td5 was with very little modification.
I’ve an 02 disco Td5 still with cat an not mapped, but still I can’t believe how well she pulls! I know disco transfer boxes are higher geared so you don’t keep changing gears unlike my old 300 defender. Brilliant comparison though well done you 👍
Thought TDI 300 was 3.0 litre??
Nope. 2.5L 4 cylinder, just like the 200Tdi and the 2.5 na and turbo.
7:31 one careful owner from new
The owner:
ADDING AN OVERDRIVE, OR A ROAMERDRIVE WILL INCREASE YOU TDI CONSUMPTION QUITE A WEE BIT.
Having being a Land Rover mechanic and worked on both these engines/cars I would take the 300tdi, as long as the timing belt modification has been carried out. You got the odd rear water pump gasket and exhaust manifold gasket leaks ( both which can be replaced in 2 hours) the tdi will run for ever.
The td5 which had an over complicated injection system (injectors inside the cylinder head) engine harness/ecu failures and head gaskets going, all of which took hours/days to fix.
Yes the td5 was faster, (a 90 pick up with a td5 was quicker than the old 3.9 v8) but you could get a 300tdi up to 25mph in low range going from 1st through to 3rd gear without touching the throttle.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Ok first off I want to make this clear, both engines are good in their own individual way, and its ok to compare them against one another when they are both stock. However as soon as you start to tinker with a TD5, it becomes an entirely different beast to a 300TDi, and you just proved it. That TD5 you have, has had a Stage 1 Remap/(chip) at the very least, of that I am damn sure. Its the Turbo wind up sound plus the smokey exhaust (BTW a smokey exhaust is not really what you want to see after a correct tune). I work on Defenders here in Australia (mostly TD5's but have done the odd 300TDi and Puma) and just from the sound that the TD5's making I can tell it has a center replacement exhaust pipe fitted and a chipped ECU (since its a 10P motor). So no surprise as to the results you obtained from your Apple to Mango comparison. From the fuel consumption to the acceleration plus the engine note, that TD5 aint stock.
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Had all 3, Td5 by far best, apart from really heavy clutch- you should also try the Ford Puma engined one…
I’d love to. Can’t get those into the states yet. But I don’t know why I haven’t even thought of that whenever I’m in the UK. On my list!
Hello folks. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Map the TD5, remove the cat & centre muffler and it’ll run and sound even better.
I have a td5 with 60.ooo miles from new I have done a lot of work on it she always does 30 mpg but I am a bit easier on the gas pedal I can get 33 mpg not bad has it’s got Alive stage 3 tune
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
200/300 tdi are awesome engines. Fuel economy is fantastic, reliability, nice low end torque for a small engine and more than enough for a defender that age.
But if you mod the car with better suspension, brakes, wheels, tyres…a td5 wil be a more powerful and smoother engine….and you can tume it up to 165 hp aprox(phase1) with no other mods, 180aprox adding bigger intercooler and few other cheap things(phase 2) or even go over 200 hp. I don’t know about phase 3. But with 1 and 2 the td5 is still really reliable.
My disco 2 td5 is now more than 300000 kms. I drive as if it was stolen every single day. It revs up to 4000-4250 too many times…and still going strong.
It leaks oil everywhere(as land rovers do😂) except for the engine. No oil consumption at all. Phase 1 + tumed up wastegate for more turbo pressure, so around 165-170 hp. Tyres spin in dry if I start strong and it smokes only over around 4000rpm. And not a lot.
Over 3500 it looks like it breathes more or better and it pushes even a bit more…
Only thing is it will never ever give the low end torque of a big engine. But as low gear is really short even with 32”-33”’s or even if you give it a longer gear at the transfer for H gears for the road, it goes really well.
I must add the abs and tc in the discovery 2 are Awesome. With lockers it climbs safer and smoother, but the tc works fantastic until lockers are installed.
A shame they didn’t add it to the defender.
Both tdi and td5 are awesome engines anyway. Both defes would be in my garage no doubt along with any 70 and 80 series toyota and a good gr/gq nissan patrol…
Great video. Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
Put a boost pin in the 300 Tdi
What does the boost pin do?
Hmmm, food for thought
I have a TD5, was looking forward to this but you lost me when you thought it has a timing belt… bad preparation sorry.
Hi. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
tthe 300tdi is much better towing vehicle
Drag race; first gear is pointless. Start in 2nd.
Td5 started in gear, tdi in neutral.
And anyway, nobody cares about Landrover drag races.
All about practicality and useability.
And fixability.
I care about Land Rover drag races. And I’m kind of a big deal.
Fish in small ponds?
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
Stock even the TD5 is a slug. Just woeful acceleration. I know its a good offroader but most people have to drive it on road most of the time😂
300tdi is a school of mechanics
I have a 2006 TD5 110 for sale. Great power but I prefer my Right Hand Drive 110. Im willing to sell this LHD 110. Asking $17000usd.
I’d love to buy it. Unfortunately it’s too new to bring into the states. 25 years old or older for us Americans. But it is eligible for Canada!
Hello. Greetings from Paris ! I own a defender 90 Td5 as a second car. Never been able to high rev it and up shift quickly like a Golf or a sport car. The gearbox doesn’t like it and blocks or grind the agressive up shift. Especially 1 to 2d, 2 to 3d. If I up shift slowly on low revs, everything is smooth. How in the video the up shift is so quick on high rpm ? Many thx for your feedbacks. Merci ! Julien
My retuned Td5 easily does 32.6 per gallon
Like my 300tdi- but it’s so slow 😂
They are everywhere in Australia, even the army used them. They will literally go anywhere
300Tdi tuning: Boost ring, boost pin, open diesel pump and voila. Funny to ‘learn’ diesel tuning from a yank lol
Oh nice. I’d like to learn more myself about 300tdi tuning.
Rover V8 is the best engine for an Defender …
Terrible fuel economy, no power, and spotty reliability
@@sarahdell4042 Sorry, that is not true. The Rover V8 has much more power than td5 and this power in every rpm range, very good fuel economy and perfect exhaust emission 3,9i with catalyst. Constant service, an good Oil and it is an complete trouble free long life engine.
Apart from the coil packs chucking it and the inlet manifold gasket leaking coolant the 3.9 was the best of the v8 Buick the 3.5 was under powered and the 4.6 that was in the range rovers melted as they had been bored out too much.
@@stuartharvie1469 Ask for example RPI or JE Developments for your V8 Problems…
3.9 or 4.6 ? Which one will last longer ?@@simontemplar4093
300tdi all day long
Both have thier issues lol
Motorised wheelbarrows!🙄