I feel pretty strongly that you don’t have to reveal that a card was previously graded and then resubmitted. My feeling is that if you felt strongly enough to crack a card, you believed the original grading was wrong, and the new slab with a higher grade confirms that.
First off, PSA should not grade an unlicensed custom card period. Doesn't matter if the auto is genuine or not. They don't even grade authentic cards that may be trimmed, yet they will grade a card someone made in the garage
1. Yes, a Topps-created problem made a bit worse by sellers not being clear... I regularly register my displeasure directly to eBay or other online sellers who do this... eBay could do more here... 2. Very interesting question: I think PSA would say that there is likely some hard to see, pretty major, flaw that Beckett failed to pick up... I plan on sending a few cards that received inexplicably low grades to TAG grading strictly for the data rich results that they give... the equivalent of sending to 'the lab' for deep analysis... then either send them back to PSA or SGC... 3. All of the problems that follow from the 'rare insert' craze make sense(why I don't bother)... PSA should have a term for custom cards on their label, if only to separate themselves from liability...
Because the numbers they are selling are too small for companies to spend a lot of time and money on. If they were selling thousands of each custom card then maybe it's worth the companies time and effort. But most of these counterfeiters sell handfuls and then move on to something else.
Personally I have a huge issue with PSA slabbing the custom art auto cards. I recently submitted 2 Reggie Jackson TTM autos for grading and was told one will not be slabbed no matter what. It's a 1970 topps story booklets so im not sure why they can't. I know they don't grade the booklets but I'm being told they won't even slab it as "trading card" authentic auto. It's reasons like this why 90%+ of my cards go to SGC. I simply just don't understand it.
Through The Years series cards are the manufacturer’s responsibility & these cards should never have been created. Irresponsible sellers are certainly going to take advantage of their “authenticity” but so is Topps since they designed them to supercharge their own profits.
@@paulbuker9596 So Grandma that knows nothing about cards decides to go on Ebay to buy her grandson something nice for his birthday (Mom said he likes those football cards), and it's her fault for being duped because she's not 'Mr Mint'? Ridiculous.
About regraded cards. I would not list the previous grades. If it’s currently in a slab from a reputable company. That is legit card in a legit holder. Anyone looking to crack and regrade is assuming the liability. As you know, that Arenado could easily be sent to PSA for a 3rd time and receive a 10.
The Through the Years, especially that last Trout one, is so deceiving! Reminds me of when the Beatles original drummer Peter Best released an album called, "Best of the Beatles" and many people bought the record thinking it was the Beatles greatest hits.
“Custom” cards should be labeled as “Non-licensed!” eBay and other selling platforms need to enforce this. . . But they don’t care. Same as all the “gambling” and “rip-offs” with “re-packs” where no one will ever get the cards being shown in the description!
1. Yes, its wrong not to clarify that this is a reprint and not a real auto/ patch 2. No, you dont need to disclose that a card was regraded. If you dont know grading is subjective, You shouldn't be buying cards 3. Im ok with it. Yhe buyer needs to do some research before spending big bucks.
I absolutely can't stand that Topps did that. What were they thinking? I agree that sellers should be very clear in their listings, and buyers should just be very cautious and aware that these exist. As far as the custom cards go, I don't like that people are having these autographs graded on the cards they have created. Those examples DO look fantastic, and those creators/sellers spent a lot of time and effort on them, but the fact that a "normal" PSA holder for a graded card and a graded autograph holder from PSA look SO similar, practically invites deception, in my opinion. Thanks Chris
"I'm selling this for as much as I can get." I suspect that is what the TTY sellers are saying. I used to by comics from some guy. Spent hundreds each week. Had an issue and approached him. He told me the same thing. That was the last time I spoke to him.
1 - I primarily blame Topps for the confusion surrounding these "Through The Years" cards. However, it is always incumbent upon the seller to describe exactly what they're offering. Sellers should make it abundantly clear these are non-autographed tribute cards, especially considering the potential for buyers to mistake the card for something else. 2 - Full disclosure is always best. I realize most people wouldn't think twice about this..."hey, it's an XYZ Gem Mint 10." However, think about how you'd feel if you bought the card and found out later it was deemed altered, etc. by ABC Grading Company. What's that saying about integrity and what you do when nobody is looking? In the long run, it's always better to do the right thing. Many a reputation has been built (or shattered) by seemingly little things like this. 3 - I have a serious issue with these so-called "custom cards." All of them. Period. They were created without permission from the owners of the intellectual properties, images, etc. The creators of the "custom cards" committed theft to make a profit. They're no better than counterfeiters.
Deceptive listings is one thing with custom cards. They technically disclose that it's custom, so while I might not like it, I'm not sure there is much that can be done. But I am pretty sure they can't use the NFL or team Logo's.
I'm sure this video series isn't easy to churn out quickly, so I appreciate the work you put in and I'm glad when they return. 1. Like a few other reprints that are hard to detect, it's a shame Topps made the cards. It's totally immoral to list without using 2021 Topps. The best way is to only list the 2021 Insert set info and not the reprint info for the real card. The gray area is to list with the 2021 info but also reference the wow factor of the real card, like it being autographed or containing a mem piece. 2. I'm sure there are buyers that would love to have the extra info if a card was previously graded or not. You might be saving them the task of cracking a slab from Grading Co. X to submit to Grading Co. Y. However, I think a card should be viewed however it is in its current state. Whether a card is graded or raw, that's the card's state and "story". In your examples, the card is at minimum graded and recognized as authentic by the grader. I'm sure it's more likely that sellers wouldn't disclose if a raw card had been rejected by a grading company. I suspect that's how I came to buy some of my raw vintage cards, only to find out later that they were considered to be min size, trimmed or colored by PSA! Ha, live and learn. 3. Wow, not much to say about these custom cards except that they seem highly deceptive, especially the patch auto cards. Yikes!
When I first started collecting as a kid, I remember the Topps "Turn Back the Clock" subsets. I was convinced it was the same thing as the real card, even going into Beckett and searching for the card in its actual year to find out how much my card was "worth." It didn't take long to realize what I had was really nothing special, but it sucks that people would prey on someone that might not realize what they are looking at. Way too many scumbags out there.
Transparency is always best, however, with regard to the graded cards, the grade given by the company should be sufficient. As far as the custom cards and reprint cards, this should be included in the description. I find being transparent in the hobby is the best policy. Happy new year to you and family and thank you for all the content you provided in 2023. HIT = Honesty Integrity Transparency remains your acronym.
We live in a society of devils advocates so no matter how transparent you are people will create an argument. Remember the boom of 2020/21 people being critical that buyers were ripping people off because they bought for X and months later prices went up. No logical responsibility for the opposite, the seller to reimburse the buyer if prices declined. Lots of illogical moralizing was happening, some of it still happening today in the sportscard / TCG bear market. The amount of blame going around for LCS selling products that then decline in value…
For #1, if Topps wanted to create insert sets to celebrate previous sets, I think that’s fine. The problem is the design. They could’ve made the previous card sort of a smaller thumbnail and woven it through a new design, maybe rotated it a bit, something to make it obvious. But the fact that they just take up 95% of the card’s real estate with a photo of the previous card was where they went wrong. In terms of buying and selling practices, I still think this is completely on the buyer. Many sellers are going to do what they can to give their listings an edge. And while I don’t agree with sellers being intentionally misleading, the state of the industry requires buyers, now more than ever, to be educated about something before spending a significant amount. The backside of the cards might also help, because that might reinforce it’s not the original. If a seller is not uploading the back of the card, that just further reinforces, they are trying to scam someone. For #2, I don’t think it’s necessary to call out any of the previous grades. And that’s not being deceptive - most grading companies use humans and “mis-grading” happens. It’s your prerogative to correct the situation, and if you choose to crack out a card and pay additional grading fees in order to get there, I don’t think you should be obligated to then tell the whole history of the card. Your goal is to make a profit - fairly. Not to tell an autobiography. For #3, it’s tricky because it’s a mix of real & fake. I honestly have more of a question. Where are these people getting the sticker autos (initially)? Aren’t those signed in sheets and sent back to manufacturing companies? Are they leaking out of companies? Are they peeling them off original (less expensive) cards because they think they will get more value with this method?
Exactly. The old "turn back the clock" cards had a slanted image. With how scuzzy Topps has become, I wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally made them more real looking to increase interest in the card.
1 - the way you laid out these awful Through the Years cards is spot on. Sellers know when they are being purposely deceptive. 2 - MANY cards are submitted to multiple grading companies. Sometimes it works in the seller’s favor and other times it doesn’t. PSA is so inconsistent - you can submit a card to them three times and get three different grades. I could not care less if a card was previously in a different slab, and I won’t be disclosing my grading trials and tribulations outside of my UA-cam channel. 3 - custom cards are confusing for many. Creating a card from nothing is counterfeiting
A card being made by an individual should not be immediately considered counterfeiting. They could be making them for their own personal interests or collections. Or they might be selling them as an honest seller of custom cards, and while I wouldn't be interested in most or all of them, I dont think that person would be doing anything nefarious. However, when they try to pass off a card as authentic or are misleading in listings or in the way that they attempt to sell the card, then they are indeed counterfeiting.
I only buy cards and never sell any. As a buyer, I would never care about a previous grade from another company. I only care what the grade is currently. The seller is under no obligation to provide this information. Frankly, I do not even what to know. Great content, thank you.
You NEED to start with the ACTUAL year of the card. I totally agree. I have bought a few cards that said “1971 xxxx xxxx” and then said “reprint” in the description. Should I have looked at this and scrutinized it closer? Absolutely. But, it was also extremely misleading imo. I would never list a card like that, so I am not expecting to be intentionally mislead. But, that’s on me I guess.
As a buyer, it's a learning lesson if you bought a Topps through the years or a custom card. Another example is using a picture of a lot of cards, but you're only receiving 1 card.
Your psa vs Beckett prove my point all along. Here you sent to psa twice with it came back lower, then you sent it to Beckett and received 9.5. My question is if these are suppose to be professional graders, how could the grades be so off? My second question is if psa are suppressing grades on purpose, can you take a class law suite out on them for the seller losing money for those who are in the hobby?
People should scour eBay and other auctions sites looking for undergraded cards and see who is buying them... my guess would be the graders or people linked to them .
You are good with the card being in an SGC holder. PSA has many new people grading cards and it's only their professional opinion that any card is or is not authentic.
1. Yes, a big moral problem for the reasons you stated. 2. No, I don't think regrades have to be disclosed. 3. This was a problem I was unaware of. I think custom cards should be disclosed in the title of the auction. I wish that PSA went back to the blue label for cards were only the autograph is authenticated and not the card. I think that would help here.
All I know is all these grading companies are making a killing being inconsistent and charging too much and the market is way down..Us(The Customers) send them way to much and the grading companies make all the money and most of us are lucky to break even..Honestly not sure why people don’t wake up and see this(maybe they do and just don’t care) but either way I probably have like 40 cards to send to PSA I’ve bought over the last few months but I Refuse to send to them at $19 per to get ridiculous inaccurate grades on some and they make $800 off me and I may break even..thinks are just outta whack right now..oh well just one dudes opinion 😀
I agree with you but it sounds like you would be willing to send those 40 cards in at $10/card? If you are against the profits and inconsistencies with PSA then why would you submit to them at any price?
Hate to say it but they are the only ones that hold any value..I used SGC maybe 3 years ago when the market was going crazy and they did fine but honestly cards in their holder just isn’t worth it unless it gets a 10..anything other than a 10 and you shouldn’t even grade it with them IMO(and they aren’t handing out 10’s all the time..a lot of 9.5’s and 9’s.I do have some RPA’s the thicker ones I should probably send to SGC because you know PSA obliterates those ..Idk I guess PSA provides the best value overall (money wise for return on investment) but their system is designed just to turn and burn out cards with no reguards for accurate grades that part is frustrating big time!
That PSA Beckett thing is why many of us think grading is a scam. 3 submissions and 3 different grades. Interested in your thoughts on Kurt’s Card Care. Does this legitimize alteration and will it hurt grading since they almost never can even tell the cards were altered? And does that lead to maybe authentic only being more prevalent since the grades are bogus? And lastly do think we could reverse the modern sentiment and older slabs become more wanted since they were pre Kurt’s Card Care and this more trustworthy? Thanks.
Upon a second viewing, I realized this is different from the last moral grey area series. So I have to ask by using the title of one of my favorite movies; "What About Bob?"
PSA (and any other grading company) shouldn't be slabbing any custom-made cards, even if it has an autograph on it. If it's been slabbed, people will think that it's a real card. I had assumed that they didn't do that, but card grading is just too bizarre for me so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by it.
That last one I'm kinda 50/50 on. As memorabilia collectors we're constantly buying autographs that are on "fake" products. We pay top dollar for autos on fake jerseys, helmets, bats, pucks, and many more things. I'm not sure that a fake card is really any different than a fake jersey, as long as the seller isn't stating that it's a real card. Bryce Young autographs on fake helmets are selling for over $200, so why not a fake card with an auto?
would not need to disclose prior grades. once your crack it, the card it exposed to elements and potential damage. it is in effect, not the same exact card that was previously graded in terms of time, place, manner, or condition. if your re-grade and it goes from a 9 to a 7, certainly you could not point back to the 9 and get a boost in value. so the inverse where the grade increases should follow the same logic. it is a gamble that involves time, money, and the potential for a decrease in grade
If it's in the holder....then that's what it is. Period. End of story unless.....you say otherwise....it's your card...it's your call. No harm. No foul.
Regarding the #2 question, I think it's absolutely fine to sell a Beckett, SGC, ect. Without including that PSA hates it for some reason in the description. Because it's listed for what it is. I would probably message the buyer and tell them, or ask if they are planning to crack it & submit elsewhere then if yes tell them, and offer a refund if they really wanted to resub to PSA only.
Indeed, the sellers should make it abundantly clear that the "through the years" cards are reprints. The Judge card that sold for $200 plus is not an "inception", it's a deception. And a seller shouldn't have to disclose if they had a card regraded. As a buyer, it doesn't matter to me either way if I like the card, grade, and price.
Hello BBCCID, for the first topic, I say that in both instances the card was considered authentic. The grade varied between PSA and BGS, but the card is authentic and that matters. There is no need to disclose previous grades or designations. For the second topic, an honest seller should use the word “reprint” in the eBay listing title. Anything less than this is dubious. Also, the buyer should research a card before bidding or buying. For the third topic, a seller of custom cards needs to use the phrase “custom card” in the eBay listing title. Again, anything less than this is dubious. As for custom cards themselves, some people enjoy collecting them for their artistic merit. This is fine. It is when an eBay seller tries to pass a custom card off as a licensed card that another agenda emerges that borders on intentional deception and fraud. Happy new year and thank you.
Speaking of through the years, it’s been a pleasure consuming most of your content for awhile now. Keep up the great work and look forward to more in 2024….’cause you can’t, you won’t, and don’t stop!
#1. I report Through the Year cards to eBay whenever I see a seller fraudulently trying to take advantage of buyers. The way to fix the issue is to have those types of sellers kicked off of selling platforms
1. I remember finding these for the first time and thinking, wow, I just hit something huge, like a buyback. Then when i looked on the back there was no authentication of the auto. Buyers beware. Anything can be sold on ebay for any price. I do agree people are being misleading when posting these. Topps is not in the clear either, as they could've made it more distinct that these are basically reprints celebrating cards from the past. 2. The history of grading a card is truly in the past. It's up to the individual to trust a grading company's opinion or not. It's not your responsibility to inform the buyer of grading company's mistakes. 3. In my opinion, psa should add something on the label indicating more clearly that this truly is a custom card, not just that they graded a sticker auto authentic. 4. Would love to hear your opinion on buyback autos.....and how graders should label them
#2. For sure gray area. I think it is similar to receiving a grade too high. No one is rushing to tell someone how they got a higher grade than they thought they would have but since we don’t bust out 10s and resubmit we never realize how many 10s are 9s and 8s. I think this is why some like the idea of TAG grading. You can look up why. I think this is a situation where people are expecting more from you than the grading company who isn’t willing to tell you why they gave the grade. If they did then you would know and you could pass on the info instead you have no idea why they gave a 6. So no I don’t think you are required to tell someone. To me the gray area is cracking slabs to begin with and resubmitting.
also, minisize grades are prevalent for psa- you can even resubmit and get them to actually grade those cards... seems like a lot to disclose every issue, even when psa is wrong a lot.
Thanks for making this video. A few months ago I almost bought a Mike Trout reprint of an RPA because it was listed as the original RPA, graded by PSA, and priced like it was the original.
I agree, Topps should have not made those. As far as the sticker, i feel PSA should not grade "stickers" that are made to resemble 1/1 cards. In my opinion, these are just ways people are looking to take advantage of someone who is uninformed.
Many times I have reported to Ebay listings that are inaccurate or misleading. Examples are saying a card is a PSA 10 when its not even graded and putting a players name and card image in a listing when you are buying a "mystery pack" to try and get this card. Ebay doesn't care. In your example REPRINT should be included in the title. I don't have a problem not disclosing that PSA graded a card lower because they are incredibly inconsistent with their grading. I don't like the custom cards that are a close facsimile to the original. Too much chance that someone will mistake it for the real thing. I don't mind the Project 2020 cards as they are way different than the original. The best point you made is that buyers have to be vigilant and research any card they purchase, Happy New Year and "Stay off my lawn, kid"!!
Great episode. Would love to know what you look for to determine Reprints vs actual cards . I was recently looking at a 1981 topps Larry Bird card and couldn’t tell the difference.
I think these custom cards with random pieces of material in them are not far off Panini with all of their "not associated" materials cards. Just because a "legitimate" company does it should not make it OK.
Through the Years - Sellers know exactly what they're doing. As for buyers, they should know better; buuuuut if someone has no clue and was buying it for a gift, I can see it happening. Graded Arenado - PSA messed up twice with the 5/6; no idea how/why they graded that card that when, as a novice, looking at it I don't see any major faults with the card. 5/6's are reserved for pretty semi-damaged cards I thought. Like a well rounded corner or two. i don't see that here. As to your question, whatever holder the card ultimately ends up in is its grade IMO. "Custom cards" - Fine as long as it's like the first one you showed, where it was clear what it is. Guys selling the Bryce Young/Brock Purdy "custom cards" are scammers because of how they presented the card on their listings. IMO of course.
If iys in the holder your good. It would be stupid to regrade it if your gonna state what the previous grade was. Dont lose any sleep over that my man. You're totally in the good
Of course if your a buyer would be nice to know Wgat psa did and then bgs or sgc but as a seller nobody is going to disclose that info it’s a grey are for sure appreciate you Chris happy new years🎉🎉
My personal opinion is that there’s no moral obligation to disclose the previous grade of a card if you crack it out and resubmit and it comes back with a better grade. You’re accurately presenting the card in its current graded form. If you sell it, and the buyer resells it a few years later, are they both to disclose that info as well? I think that would be absurd. Love the channel.
Through the years you were spot on. Anything pertaining the picture can be taken as misleading , the custom card I agree is okay if listed as such, the Kobe insert is wrong in my opinion. Definitely misleading. The final custom cards with real sticker autos should are misleading and wrong. You can made a custom card and authenticate the sticker auto perfectly fine in doing so but to put in the description Rookie , RC , Patch , a brand or 1/1 is totally wrong and misleading. Custom card with sticker auto cool and could see someone wanting one to have and display with a real auto on a cool looking card. When it comes to disclosing previous grading or history is not relevant whatsoever. You are perfectly honest and legitimate to list as graded/authenticated.
10:49 'well within their rights'? bro, there is NO WAY they took that picture and got authorization to use ANY of the branding. they are 100% NOT within their rights to produce this card and sell it. try to make a t-shirt with those logos on them and sell it....let me know how long it stays up before the certified cease and desist letter shows up in your mail. im shocked the NFL and card maker lawyers haven't gone after these guys yet.....especially if they know it was going for $1,500!!!
1st issue-The card is not a true patch card so the word “Patch” in description is deseptive. Most sellers probably put “RP” instead of reprint as your only allowed so many characters in your description. 2) No, you need not to disclose this. Even card grading companies are opinions of what grade a card is and we all know the crazy grades PSA sometimes gives to keep high pop counts low. 3) Recreating cards is illegal as can card companies pay a lot to use player likeness and team shields….I would even question PSA’s judgement in grading them as they must know they are not what they seem to be.
i think if you regrade the card then the past is the past but if you get a 5, crack and sell it raw without disclosing that fact i consider it unethical
Huge problem with custom art cards that use NFL, and/or pirated photos. The major brands pay photographers and the NFL for licensing. Making those "custom cards" to sell is illegal as it violates intellectual property rights of several people and organizations. Ebay needs to ban custom art cards that use pirated photos and unlicensed branding. It would be like selling a "custom purse" with "Louis Vuitton" printed on it. No sir! Custom art cards should be art created by the artist with no unlicensed logos, photos or branding.
Thank you - (1) Through the Years - I am 100% against all and any reprints as well as BS stamped "x years Anniversary" cards - (2) State Re-grade - not and issue for me and disclosing that someone's new or different "opinion" helps no body (3) Custom Cards - your time and money - do what you want - Grading companies need to put on labels that the cards are Unlicensed - ie, all unlicensed cards are customs . Happy New Year to you and yours!!!
#2 is really hard IMO. If anything, practicalities rather than principles of honesty make me think you should not disclose the prior grades. If it becomes expected for people to disclose prior lower grades, people will start to claim that their card used to be in a higher-grade holder and they gambled on a resubmit and lost. Maybe in a perfect world, where we could verify a card's full grading history, disclosure of prior grades could be ethically required. But as things stand now, I think it's a huge can of worms I'd rather not open.
I don’t think any listing should include the word auto if the card isn’t autographed. And I’m not so sure the custom art cards should be graded because they are actually illegal. If they had been made from cut out pieces from actual licensed cards they would be fine or even licensed cards that had been drawn onto, but you can’t print the NFL shield logo onto an item without a license nor can you use an unlicensed photo of a player or the team insignia.
The Nolan Arenado BGS 9.5 is just another example of paying big money for a higher grade is ridiculous in the hobby. If the companies aren’t consistent with grading, why is a PSA 10 sometimes 5x or 10x more than a PSA 9? It makes no sense, especially when most people couldn’t tell the difference if you put a PSA 9 and 10 next to each other and covered the grade. It really justifies the cliche ‘buy the card, not the grade.’ As for disclosing a card that was previously graded, most people just won’t do that in fear of hurting its value. I actually think you can disclose it as most people would care. I always hear this statement, “Once it’s slabbed, it’s legit.” Meaning the card could be trimmed, altered, or regraded multiple times. Once a person has that card in that particular slab with the grade, it’s legit in their eyes.
The “custom” or “ACEO” cards that use the card manufacturers’ set names and designs as well as the teams’ trademarked logos and photographers’ property/photos are 100% illegal if sold for profit. The fact that PSA authenticates the sig on the sticker does give it a pass either. It’s still illegal to produce and sell cards without securing proper licensing and paying for use of photos.
I don’t think you need to disclose… it’s like buying a house - you hire an inspector to take a look and they deem it is in good shape or not (grading company). The inspector you used when you originally bought your house may have a much different opinion than the new inspector that comes in when you’re ready to sell but you’re not required to tell every last detail (maybe the original inspector thinks an outdoor deck should be removed but the other thinks it’s in good shape). In the example disclosing someone’s opinion would only hurt the potential sale. Love your videos and enjoy the new year!!
1. Selling the TTY subset is fine as long as it’s listed in the same format as the Trout example you provided. It becomes morally questionable if the seller includes, “rookie” “auto” “patch” or even the original year of the card in the photo. 2. Good question, but I don’t think it’s necessary to disclose a previous grade. Once it’s safely in a slab from a reputable grading company, that should be sufficient. 3. I have to be honest, I’m not a fan of custom cards. I appreciate the art and effort that goes into some, but many fall short. And there’s the NIL aspect of it- technically I think it might be illegal for anyone to make AND sell a custom card if it contains the player name, team name and logo, or league name and logo. And yeah, then there are those examples you shared of the fake NT 1/1s- those are extremely shady.
Im curious about the Young in scenario 3 as he signed an exclusive deal with fanatics. Since fanatics doesn't have an nfl license yet (they do for the future) where did the sticker auto come from? Im not up on every product but i have yet to see his auto on any cards.
I agree that if a custom card has a legit Auto then that should be specified on the PSA label or whatever grading company that it's a custom card. Otherwise PSA or any other grading company should not authenticate an auto on custom cards
1. There are more than a few unscrupulous sellers on ebay and other platforms who do what they can to take advantage of the fact that there are a lot of people who dont fully read descriptions. 2. no need to disclose that card had been re-graded. sometimes graders get it wrong and sometimes may be worth selling a card raw vs. a lower grade. do you ask dealers if a card you are buying had been regraded? 3. PSA should be more clear in their labelling to identify that card is not licensed,
Feel like there are two perspectives on the re grade grey area. Collector perspective and seller perspective. Of course the seller isn’t going to want to say that a card used to be a 6 with one company and then they have it and trying to sell it as a better grade. To me this is okay as you said grades are subjective. I would say cracking and selling raw something that used to be a 7 and selling raw because it’s worth more like that and not disclosing that is a no no. From a collector point of view they are more so worried about the actual condition and just want honestly. Feel like it goes both ways with this grey area. But as a seller and collector I see nothing wrong with not disclosing a card that used to be a lower grade when it’s in a higher grade.
The last couple custom cards, I'm confused why PSA graded something that uses the NFL logo, team name(s)/logo & NFLPA logo but is unlicensed. I get the autograph is real and that's what they were asked to grade. However, it seems like a violation of their own policy to grade a card that is unlicensed by either the league or player association but still uses the logos of one or both especially since the autographs are stickers. Doesn't using the logos like that violate applicable law? Then doesn't that make the card itself counterfeit? That seems like something that grading companies need to address.
In most of those cases, I lean to the "Buyer Beware" side. I don't like the misleading listings, but people have been selling snake oil for centuries. Buyer beware. Educate yourself on what is valid. Always check to see if they accept returns before bidding on an iffy listing like that.
Topps should have never created the TTY cards, very confusing, but buyers should be aware and actually look at the card, especially when paying more than $100. Shouldn’t have to state that a card was graded something else by a different grading company. Whoever buys the card from you, may end up reselling as well. PSA should state that the cards are custom cards. And, people shouldn’t be able to sell card with players likeness and logos.
Topps has been doing those throwback cards for decades. Bowman too. We all knew they weren’t originals back in the day. Why they did it? Because no way kids were affording 51 Mantles and this gave us a chance at having one. Why is it a problem now? That’s on the buyer if they can’t tell it’s a reprint.
PSA wrong, Chris Sewell right. Other grading companies may not get the money at resale as PSA, but the grading legitimacy at other grading companies is getting more respect than PSA.
I feel pretty strongly that you don’t have to reveal that a card was previously graded and then resubmitted. My feeling is that if you felt strongly enough to crack a card, you believed the original grading was wrong, and the new slab with a higher grade confirms that.
Resubmitting a card is a gamble. You win some and you lose some. Don’t think it needs disclosure when selling.
Your channel is sneakily becoming one of the best in the hobby. Lots of effort into these uploads! 7k views in 10hrs!
Where have you been?
It would be nice if PSA, when dealing with custom cards, would put
UNLICENSED CARD
AUTHENTIC AUTO
on the label.
First off, PSA should not grade an unlicensed custom card period. Doesn't matter if the auto is genuine or not. They don't even grade authentic cards that may be trimmed, yet they will grade a card someone made in the garage
Very good video man. I get frustrated with all the people taking advantage of new people getting in. This should be talked about on all channels.
They say buy the card, not the grade. Modern is different though as it's all about the slab 99% of the time.
1. Yes, a Topps-created problem made a bit worse by sellers not being clear... I regularly register my displeasure directly to eBay or other online sellers who do this... eBay could do more here... 2. Very interesting question: I think PSA would say that there is likely some hard to see, pretty major, flaw that Beckett failed to pick up... I plan on sending a few cards that received inexplicably low grades to TAG grading strictly for the data rich results that they give... the equivalent of sending to 'the lab' for deep analysis... then either send them back to PSA or SGC... 3. All of the problems that follow from the 'rare insert' craze make sense(why I don't bother)... PSA should have a term for custom cards on their label, if only to separate themselves from liability...
How do those Custom Card makers get around the copyright violations they seem to have?
Because the numbers they are selling are too small for companies to spend a lot of time and money on. If they were selling thousands of each custom card then maybe it's worth the companies time and effort. But most of these counterfeiters sell handfuls and then move on to something else.
Personally I have a huge issue with PSA slabbing the custom art auto cards. I recently submitted 2 Reggie Jackson TTM autos for grading and was told one will not be slabbed no matter what. It's a 1970 topps story booklets so im not sure why they can't. I know they don't grade the booklets but I'm being told they won't even slab it as "trading card" authentic auto. It's reasons like this why 90%+ of my cards go to SGC. I simply just don't understand it.
whenever I run into athletes, I instantly whip out my roll of scotch tape and ask them to sign it lololol
Through The Years series cards are the manufacturer’s responsibility & these cards should never have been created. Irresponsible sellers are certainly going to take advantage of their “authenticity” but so is Topps since they designed them to supercharge their own profits.
If you don't know that these cards aren't actually Autographed then you should not be buying or selling cards to begin with. Ridiculous
Agree. Especially on an online platform. They should be required to have "reprint" clearly written somewhere on the front and back.
@@paulbuker9596 So Grandma that knows nothing about cards decides to go on Ebay to buy her grandson something nice for his birthday (Mom said he likes those football cards), and it's her fault for being duped because she's not 'Mr Mint'? Ridiculous.
@@barfyman-dm6zxShame on that grandma for being a sucker
1- buyer beware. Know what your buying. 2- no. If it’s slabbed, it’s slabbed. No need to disclose. 3- junk cards
About regraded cards. I would not list the previous grades. If it’s currently in a slab from a reputable company. That is legit card in a legit holder. Anyone looking to crack and regrade is assuming the liability. As you know, that Arenado could easily be sent to PSA for a 3rd time and receive a 10.
Bingo
The Through the Years, especially that last Trout one, is so deceiving! Reminds me of when the Beatles original drummer Peter Best released an album called, "Best of the Beatles" and many people bought the record thinking it was the Beatles greatest hits.
Those shady TTY sellers know exactly what they're doing, and as Henry Hill would say, it's "real greaseball sh*t."
It's a free country brother.
“Custom” cards should be labeled as “Non-licensed!” eBay and other selling platforms need to enforce this. . . But they don’t care. Same as all the “gambling” and “rip-offs” with “re-packs” where no one will ever get the cards being shown in the description!
The seller of the custom card is definitely trying to take advantage of buyers with the help of PSA to back up the great area scam
Looks like I need to get me a nice printer and get to work .
1. Yes, its wrong not to clarify that this is a reprint and not a real auto/ patch
2. No, you dont need to disclose that a card was regraded. If you dont know grading is subjective, You shouldn't be buying cards
3. Im ok with it. Yhe buyer needs to do some research before spending big bucks.
I absolutely can't stand that Topps did that. What were they thinking? I agree that sellers should be very clear in their listings, and buyers should just be very cautious and aware that these exist. As far as the custom cards go, I don't like that people are having these autographs graded on the cards they have created. Those examples DO look fantastic, and those creators/sellers spent a lot of time and effort on them, but the fact that a "normal" PSA holder for a graded card and a graded autograph holder from PSA look SO similar, practically invites deception, in my opinion. Thanks Chris
"I'm selling this for as much as I can get." I suspect that is what the TTY sellers are saying. I used to by comics from some guy. Spent hundreds each week. Had an issue and approached him. He told me the same thing. That was the last time I spoke to him.
1 - I primarily blame Topps for the confusion surrounding these "Through The Years" cards. However, it is always incumbent upon the seller to describe exactly what they're offering. Sellers should make it abundantly clear these are non-autographed tribute cards, especially considering the potential for buyers to mistake the card for something else.
2 - Full disclosure is always best. I realize most people wouldn't think twice about this..."hey, it's an XYZ Gem Mint 10." However, think about how you'd feel if you bought the card and found out later it was deemed altered, etc. by ABC Grading Company. What's that saying about integrity and what you do when nobody is looking? In the long run, it's always better to do the right thing. Many a reputation has been built (or shattered) by seemingly little things like this.
3 - I have a serious issue with these so-called "custom cards." All of them. Period. They were created without permission from the owners of the intellectual properties, images, etc. The creators of the "custom cards" committed theft to make a profit. They're no better than counterfeiters.
Deceptive listings is one thing with custom cards. They technically disclose that it's custom, so while I might not like it, I'm not sure there is much that can be done. But I am pretty sure they can't use the NFL or team Logo's.
I believe if the card is regraded then that’s the new grade. No need to mention any past grades it’s irrelevant
I'm sure this video series isn't easy to churn out quickly, so I appreciate the work you put in and I'm glad when they return.
1. Like a few other reprints that are hard to detect, it's a shame Topps made the cards. It's totally immoral to list without using 2021 Topps. The best way is to only list the 2021 Insert set info and not the reprint info for the real card. The gray area is to list with the 2021 info but also reference the wow factor of the real card, like it being autographed or containing a mem piece.
2. I'm sure there are buyers that would love to have the extra info if a card was previously graded or not. You might be saving them the task of cracking a slab from Grading Co. X to submit to Grading Co. Y. However, I think a card should be viewed however it is in its current state. Whether a card is graded or raw, that's the card's state and "story". In your examples, the card is at minimum graded and recognized as authentic by the grader. I'm sure it's more likely that sellers wouldn't disclose if a raw card had been rejected by a grading company. I suspect that's how I came to buy some of my raw vintage cards, only to find out later that they were considered to be min size, trimmed or colored by PSA! Ha, live and learn.
3. Wow, not much to say about these custom cards except that they seem highly deceptive, especially the patch auto cards. Yikes!
When I first started collecting as a kid, I remember the Topps "Turn Back the Clock" subsets. I was convinced it was the same thing as the real card, even going into Beckett and searching for the card in its actual year to find out how much my card was "worth." It didn't take long to realize what I had was really nothing special, but it sucks that people would prey on someone that might not realize what they are looking at. Way too many scumbags out there.
I think it's wrong the way the cards are listed. However the buyer could avoid being scammed with just a few minutes of research.
Grading companies need to be pressured to breakdown the reason for the given grade especially cause the great effect it has on the value of the card.
Transparency is always best, however, with regard to the graded cards, the grade given by the company should be sufficient. As far as the custom cards and reprint cards, this should be included in the description. I find being transparent in the hobby is the best policy. Happy new year to you and family and thank you for all the content you provided in 2023. HIT = Honesty Integrity Transparency remains your acronym.
We live in a society of devils advocates so no matter how transparent you are people will create an argument. Remember the boom of 2020/21 people being critical that buyers were ripping people off because they bought for X and months later prices went up. No logical responsibility for the opposite, the seller to reimburse the buyer if prices declined. Lots of illogical moralizing was happening, some of it still happening today in the sportscard / TCG bear market. The amount of blame going around for LCS selling products that then decline in value…
For #1, if Topps wanted to create insert sets to celebrate previous sets, I think that’s fine. The problem is the design. They could’ve made the previous card sort of a smaller thumbnail and woven it through a new design, maybe rotated it a bit, something to make it obvious. But the fact that they just take up 95% of the card’s real estate with a photo of the previous card was where they went wrong. In terms of buying and selling practices, I still think this is completely on the buyer. Many sellers are going to do what they can to give their listings an edge. And while I don’t agree with sellers being intentionally misleading, the state of the industry requires buyers, now more than ever, to be educated about something before spending a significant amount. The backside of the cards might also help, because that might reinforce it’s not the original. If a seller is not uploading the back of the card, that just further reinforces, they are trying to scam someone.
For #2, I don’t think it’s necessary to call out any of the previous grades. And that’s not being deceptive - most grading companies use humans and “mis-grading” happens. It’s your prerogative to correct the situation, and if you choose to crack out a card and pay additional grading fees in order to get there, I don’t think you should be obligated to then tell the whole history of the card. Your goal is to make a profit - fairly. Not to tell an autobiography.
For #3, it’s tricky because it’s a mix of real & fake. I honestly have more of a question. Where are these people getting the sticker autos (initially)? Aren’t those signed in sheets and sent back to manufacturing companies? Are they leaking out of companies? Are they peeling them off original (less expensive) cards because they think they will get more value with this method?
Exactly. The old "turn back the clock" cards had a slanted image. With how scuzzy Topps has become, I wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally made them more real looking to increase interest in the card.
1 - the way you laid out these awful Through the Years cards is spot on. Sellers know when they are being purposely deceptive.
2 - MANY cards are submitted to multiple grading companies. Sometimes it works in the seller’s favor and other times it doesn’t. PSA is so inconsistent - you can submit a card to them three times and get three different grades. I could not care less if a card was previously in a different slab, and I won’t be disclosing my grading trials and tribulations outside of my UA-cam channel.
3 - custom cards are confusing for many. Creating a card from nothing is counterfeiting
A card being made by an individual should not be immediately considered counterfeiting. They could be making them for their own personal interests or collections. Or they might be selling them as an honest seller of custom cards, and while I wouldn't be interested in most or all of them, I dont think that person would be doing anything nefarious. However, when they try to pass off a card as authentic or are misleading in listings or in the way that they attempt to sell the card, then they are indeed counterfeiting.
I only buy cards and never sell any. As a buyer, I would never care about a previous grade from another company. I only care what the grade is currently. The seller is under no obligation to provide this information. Frankly, I do not even what to know. Great content, thank you.
You NEED to start with the ACTUAL year of the card. I totally agree. I have bought a few cards that said “1971 xxxx xxxx” and then said “reprint” in the description. Should I have looked at this and scrutinized it closer? Absolutely. But, it was also extremely misleading imo. I would never list a card like that, so I am not expecting to be intentionally mislead. But, that’s on me I guess.
As a buyer, it's a learning lesson if you bought a Topps through the years or a custom card. Another example is using a picture of a lot of cards, but you're only receiving 1 card.
Your psa vs Beckett prove my point all along. Here you sent to psa twice with it came back lower, then you sent it to Beckett and received 9.5. My question is if these are suppose to be professional graders, how could the grades be so off? My second question is if psa are suppressing grades on purpose, can you take a class law suite out on them for the seller losing money for those who are in the hobby?
People should scour eBay and other auctions sites looking for undergraded cards and see who is buying them... my guess would be the graders or people linked to them .
You are good with the card being in an SGC holder. PSA has many new people grading cards and it's only their professional opinion that any card is or is not authentic.
1. Yes, a big moral problem for the reasons you stated.
2. No, I don't think regrades have to be disclosed.
3. This was a problem I was unaware of. I think custom cards should be disclosed in the title of the auction. I wish that PSA went back to the blue label for cards were only the autograph is authenticated and not the card. I think that would help here.
All I know is all these grading companies are making a killing being inconsistent and charging too much and the market is way down..Us(The Customers) send them way to much and the grading companies make all the money and most of us are lucky to break even..Honestly not sure why people don’t wake up and see this(maybe they do and just don’t care) but either way I probably have like 40 cards to send to PSA I’ve bought over the last few months but I Refuse to send to them at $19 per to get ridiculous inaccurate grades on some and they make $800 off me and I may break even..thinks are just outta whack right now..oh well just one dudes opinion 😀
I agree with you but it sounds like you would be willing to send those 40 cards in at $10/card? If you are against the profits and inconsistencies with PSA then why would you submit to them at any price?
Hate to say it but they are the only ones that hold any value..I used SGC maybe 3 years ago when the market was going crazy and they did fine but honestly cards in their holder just isn’t worth it unless it gets a 10..anything other than a 10 and you shouldn’t even grade it with them IMO(and they aren’t handing out 10’s all the time..a lot of 9.5’s and 9’s.I do have some RPA’s the thicker ones I should probably send to SGC because you know PSA obliterates those ..Idk I guess PSA provides the best value overall (money wise for return on investment) but their system is designed just to turn and burn out cards with no reguards for accurate grades that part is frustrating big time!
That Arenado example casts a lot of shade on the grading game.
The grade depends on the day and grader. Only makes sense if you had the name of the grader to share.
That's crazy psa is so far off on grading now
That PSA Beckett thing is why many of us think grading is a scam. 3 submissions and 3 different grades. Interested in your thoughts on Kurt’s Card Care. Does this legitimize alteration and will it hurt grading since they almost never can even tell the cards were altered? And does that lead to maybe authentic only being more prevalent since the grades are bogus? And lastly do think we could reverse the modern sentiment and older slabs become more wanted since they were pre Kurt’s Card Care and this more trustworthy? Thanks.
Upon a second viewing, I realized this is different from the last moral grey area series. So I have to ask by using the title of one of my favorite movies; "What About Bob?"
Haha! :)
Notice on the TTY cards, where the seller is located. That should also red flag buyers to pay a bit more attention to the listing.
PSA (and any other grading company) shouldn't be slabbing any custom-made cards, even if it has an autograph on it. If it's been slabbed, people will think that it's a real card. I had assumed that they didn't do that, but card grading is just too bizarre for me so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by it.
I was always told Beckett was a harder company to receive top grades from, so good for you!! Basically WTF is PSA doing over there!!!
That last one I'm kinda 50/50 on. As memorabilia collectors we're constantly buying autographs that are on "fake" products. We pay top dollar for autos on fake jerseys, helmets, bats, pucks, and many more things. I'm not sure that a fake card is really any different than a fake jersey, as long as the seller isn't stating that it's a real card.
Bryce Young autographs on fake helmets are selling for over $200, so why not a fake card with an auto?
would not need to disclose prior grades. once your crack it, the card it exposed to elements and potential damage. it is in effect, not the same exact card that was previously graded in terms of time, place, manner, or condition. if your re-grade and it goes from a 9 to a 7, certainly you could not point back to the 9 and get a boost in value. so the inverse where the grade increases should follow the same logic. it is a gamble that involves time, money, and the potential for a decrease in grade
If it's in the holder....then that's what it is. Period. End of story unless.....you say otherwise....it's your card...it's your call. No harm. No foul.
Regarding the #2 question, I think it's absolutely fine to sell a Beckett, SGC, ect. Without including that PSA hates it for some reason in the description. Because it's listed for what it is.
I would probably message the buyer and tell them, or ask if they are planning to crack it & submit elsewhere then if yes tell them, and offer a refund if they really wanted to resub to PSA only.
Indeed, the sellers should make it abundantly clear that the "through the years" cards are reprints. The Judge card that sold for $200 plus is not an "inception", it's a deception. And a seller shouldn't have to disclose if they had a card regraded. As a buyer, it doesn't matter to me either way if I like the card, grade, and price.
Hello BBCCID, for the first topic, I say that in both instances the card was considered authentic. The grade varied between PSA and BGS, but the card is authentic and that matters. There is no need to disclose previous grades or designations. For the second topic, an honest seller should use the word “reprint” in the eBay listing title. Anything less than this is dubious. Also, the buyer should research a card before bidding or buying. For the third topic, a seller of custom cards needs to use the phrase “custom card” in the eBay listing title. Again, anything less than this is dubious. As for custom cards themselves, some people enjoy collecting them for their artistic merit. This is fine. It is when an eBay seller tries to pass a custom card off as a licensed card that another agenda emerges that borders on intentional deception and fraud. Happy new year and thank you.
Speaking of through the years, it’s been a pleasure consuming most of your content for awhile now.
Keep up the great work and look forward to more in 2024….’cause you can’t, you won’t, and don’t stop!
#1. I report Through the Year cards to eBay whenever I see a seller fraudulently trying to take advantage of buyers. The way to fix the issue is to have those types of sellers kicked off of selling platforms
1. I remember finding these for the first time and thinking, wow, I just hit something huge, like a buyback. Then when i looked on the back there was no authentication of the auto. Buyers beware. Anything can be sold on ebay for any price. I do agree people are being misleading when posting these. Topps is not in the clear either, as they could've made it more distinct that these are basically reprints celebrating cards from the past.
2. The history of grading a card is truly in the past. It's up to the individual to trust a grading company's opinion or not. It's not your responsibility to inform the buyer of grading company's mistakes.
3. In my opinion, psa should add something on the label indicating more clearly that this truly is a custom card, not just that they graded a sticker auto authentic.
4. Would love to hear your opinion on buyback autos.....and how graders should label them
#2. For sure gray area. I think it is similar to receiving a grade too high. No one is rushing to tell someone how they got a higher grade than they thought they would have but since we don’t bust out 10s and resubmit we never realize how many 10s are 9s and 8s. I think this is why some like the idea of TAG grading. You can look up why. I think this is a situation where people are expecting more from you than the grading company who isn’t willing to tell you why they gave the grade. If they did then you would know and you could pass on the info instead you have no idea why they gave a 6. So no I don’t think you are required to tell someone.
To me the gray area is cracking slabs to begin with and resubmitting.
also, minisize grades are prevalent for psa- you can even resubmit and get them to actually grade those cards... seems like a lot to disclose every issue, even when psa is wrong a lot.
Thanks for making this video. A few months ago I almost bought a Mike Trout reprint of an RPA because it was listed as the original RPA, graded by PSA, and priced like it was the original.
I agree, Topps should have not made those. As far as the sticker, i feel PSA should not grade "stickers" that are made to resemble 1/1 cards. In my opinion, these are just ways people are looking to take advantage of someone who is uninformed.
With the custom cards...I feel it's on the buyer. Listing looked legit
Many times I have reported to Ebay listings that are inaccurate or misleading. Examples are saying a card is a PSA 10 when its not even graded and putting a players name and card image in a listing when you are buying a "mystery pack" to try and get this card. Ebay doesn't care. In your example REPRINT should be included in the title. I don't have a problem not disclosing that PSA graded a card lower because they are incredibly inconsistent with their grading. I don't like the custom cards that are a close facsimile to the original. Too much chance that someone will mistake it for the real thing. I don't mind the Project 2020 cards as they are way different than the original. The best point you made is that buyers have to be vigilant and research any card they purchase, Happy New Year and "Stay off my lawn, kid"!!
Great episode. Would love to know what you look for to determine Reprints vs actual cards . I was recently looking at a 1981 topps Larry Bird card and couldn’t tell the difference.
I think these custom cards with random pieces of material in them are not far off Panini with all of their "not associated" materials cards. Just because a "legitimate" company does it should not make it OK.
Through the Years - Sellers know exactly what they're doing. As for buyers, they should know better; buuuuut if someone has no clue and was buying it for a gift, I can see it happening.
Graded Arenado - PSA messed up twice with the 5/6; no idea how/why they graded that card that when, as a novice, looking at it I don't see any major faults with the card. 5/6's are reserved for pretty semi-damaged cards I thought. Like a well rounded corner or two. i don't see that here. As to your question, whatever holder the card ultimately ends up in is its grade IMO.
"Custom cards" - Fine as long as it's like the first one you showed, where it was clear what it is. Guys selling the Bryce Young/Brock Purdy "custom cards" are scammers because of how they presented the card on their listings. IMO of course.
If iys in the holder your good. It would be stupid to regrade it if your gonna state what the previous grade was. Dont lose any sleep over that my man. You're totally in the good
Of course if your a buyer would be nice to know Wgat psa did and then bgs or sgc but as a seller nobody is going to disclose that info it’s a grey are for sure appreciate you Chris happy new years🎉🎉
My personal opinion is that there’s no moral obligation to disclose the previous grade of a card if you crack it out and resubmit and it comes back with a better grade. You’re accurately presenting the card in its current graded form. If you sell it, and the buyer resells it a few years later, are they both to disclose that info as well? I think that would be absurd.
Love the channel.
Through the years you were spot on. Anything pertaining the picture can be taken as misleading , the custom card I agree is okay if listed as such, the Kobe insert is wrong in my opinion. Definitely misleading. The final custom cards with real sticker autos should are misleading and wrong. You can made a custom card and authenticate the sticker auto perfectly fine in doing so but to put in the description Rookie , RC , Patch , a brand or 1/1 is totally wrong and misleading. Custom card with sticker auto cool and could see someone wanting one to have and display with a real auto on a cool looking card. When it comes to disclosing previous grading or history is not relevant whatsoever. You are perfectly honest and legitimate to list as graded/authenticated.
Hi Chris, I think PSA needs to do something about those sticker auto's on those custom cards. Maybe put Custom on their label. Thanks for the video.
Feed back is good .Have a great "2024" C.S.
10:49 'well within their rights'?
bro, there is NO WAY they took that picture and got authorization to use ANY of the branding. they are 100% NOT within their rights to produce this card and sell it.
try to make a t-shirt with those logos on them and sell it....let me know how long it stays up before the certified cease and desist letter shows up in your mail. im shocked the NFL and card maker lawyers haven't gone after these guys yet.....especially if they know it was going for $1,500!!!
Yeah someone at Topps should have stopped those Through the Years cards from ever seeing the light of day
1st issue-The card is not a true patch card so the word “Patch” in description is deseptive. Most sellers probably put “RP” instead of reprint as your only allowed so many characters in your description.
2) No, you need not to disclose this. Even card grading companies are opinions of what grade a card is and we all know the crazy grades PSA sometimes gives to keep high pop counts low.
3) Recreating cards is illegal as can card companies pay a lot to use player likeness and team shields….I would even question PSA’s judgement in grading them as they must know they are not what they seem to be.
i think if you regrade the card then the past is the past but if you get a 5, crack and sell it raw without disclosing that fact i consider it unethical
Huge problem with custom art cards that use NFL, and/or pirated photos. The major brands pay photographers and the NFL for licensing. Making those "custom cards" to sell is illegal as it violates intellectual property rights of several people and organizations. Ebay needs to ban custom art cards that use pirated photos and unlicensed branding. It would be like selling a "custom purse" with "Louis Vuitton" printed on it. No sir! Custom art cards should be art created by the artist with no unlicensed logos, photos or branding.
Thank you - (1) Through the Years - I am 100% against all and any reprints as well as BS stamped "x years Anniversary" cards - (2) State Re-grade - not and issue for me and disclosing that someone's new or different "opinion" helps no body (3) Custom Cards - your time and money - do what you want - Grading companies need to put on labels that the cards are Unlicensed - ie, all unlicensed cards are customs . Happy New Year to you and yours!!!
When it comes to the PSA graded cards. Thats really on PSA for making a confusing lable that confuses customers.
When you post 4:05 RP would indicate “rookie patch” if someone is just looking at the picture.
#2 is really hard IMO. If anything, practicalities rather than principles of honesty make me think you should not disclose the prior grades. If it becomes expected for people to disclose prior lower grades, people will start to claim that their card used to be in a higher-grade holder and they gambled on a resubmit and lost. Maybe in a perfect world, where we could verify a card's full grading history, disclosure of prior grades could be ethically required. But as things stand now, I think it's a huge can of worms I'd rather not open.
Glad you're trying to help collector's from the crooks. Business is booming for some still.😂
I don't think that regrades need to be disclosed but that last segment was very deceptive!
I don’t think any listing should include the word auto if the card isn’t autographed. And I’m not so sure the custom art cards should be graded because they are actually illegal. If they had been made from cut out pieces from actual licensed cards they would be fine or even licensed cards that had been drawn onto, but you can’t print the NFL shield logo onto an item without a license nor can you use an unlicensed photo of a player or the team insignia.
The Nolan Arenado BGS 9.5 is just another example of paying big money for a higher grade is ridiculous in the hobby. If the companies aren’t consistent with grading, why is a PSA 10 sometimes 5x or 10x more than a PSA 9? It makes no sense, especially when most people couldn’t tell the difference if you put a PSA 9 and 10 next to each other and covered the grade. It really justifies the cliche ‘buy the card, not the grade.’
As for disclosing a card that was previously graded, most people just won’t do that in fear of hurting its value. I actually think you can disclose it as most people would care. I always hear this statement, “Once it’s slabbed, it’s legit.” Meaning the card could be trimmed, altered, or regraded multiple times. Once a person has that card in that particular slab with the grade, it’s legit in their eyes.
The “custom” or “ACEO” cards that use the card manufacturers’ set names and designs as well as the teams’ trademarked logos and photographers’ property/photos are 100% illegal if sold for profit. The fact that PSA authenticates the sig on the sticker does give it a pass either. It’s still illegal to produce and sell cards without securing proper licensing and paying for use of photos.
Love the work you put into the hobby. Is there any new videos of your big buys really enjoyed watching he older ones
I do have one of those I will be sharing soon
The regrade doesn't matter. Whatever the current grade is is sufficient but the passing off tty cards and customs as anything but what they are is not
I don’t think you need to disclose… it’s like buying a house - you hire an inspector to take a look and they deem it is in good shape or not (grading company). The inspector you used when you originally bought your house may have a much different opinion than the new inspector that comes in when you’re ready to sell but you’re not required to tell every last detail (maybe the original inspector thinks an outdoor deck should be removed but the other thinks it’s in good shape). In the example disclosing someone’s opinion would only hurt the potential sale.
Love your videos and enjoy the new year!!
1. Selling the TTY subset is fine as long as it’s listed in the same format as the Trout example you provided. It becomes morally questionable if the seller includes, “rookie” “auto” “patch” or even the original year of the card in the photo.
2. Good question, but I don’t think it’s necessary to disclose a previous grade. Once it’s safely in a slab from a reputable grading company, that should be sufficient.
3. I have to be honest, I’m not a fan of custom cards. I appreciate the art and effort that goes into some, but many fall short. And there’s the NIL aspect of it- technically I think it might be illegal for anyone to make AND sell a custom card if it contains the player name, team name and logo, or league name and logo. And yeah, then there are those examples you shared of the fake NT 1/1s- those are extremely shady.
Im curious about the Young in scenario 3 as he signed an exclusive deal with fanatics. Since fanatics doesn't have an nfl license yet (they do for the future) where did the sticker auto come from? Im not up on every product but i have yet to see his auto on any cards.
I agree that if a custom card has a legit Auto then that should be specified on the PSA label or whatever grading company that it's a custom card. Otherwise PSA or any other grading company should not authenticate an auto on custom cards
1. There are more than a few unscrupulous sellers on ebay and other platforms who do what they can to take advantage of the fact that there are a lot of people who dont fully read descriptions.
2. no need to disclose that card had been re-graded. sometimes graders get it wrong and sometimes may be worth selling a card raw vs. a lower grade. do you ask dealers if a card you are buying had been regraded?
3. PSA should be more clear in their labelling to identify that card is not licensed,
Feel like there are two perspectives on the re grade grey area. Collector perspective and seller perspective. Of course the seller isn’t going to want to say that a card used to be a 6 with one company and then they have it and trying to sell it as a better grade. To me this is okay as you said grades are subjective. I would say cracking and selling raw something that used to be a 7 and selling raw because it’s worth more like that and not disclosing that is a no no. From a collector point of view they are more so worried about the actual condition and just want honestly. Feel like it goes both ways with this grey area. But as a seller and collector I see nothing wrong with not disclosing a card that used to be a lower grade when it’s in a higher grade.
All truth told there are many many buyers that don't know what their doing on eBay!
The NFL Logo Purdy is unlicensed garbage, the use of the Niners name as well. So its not ok to make that card. PSA needs to fix that issue.
Current grade is the grade, no need to muddy the water with prior grades.
Grading is an opinion, but PSA does follow their own guide. You read the descriptions, and the pictures show that your card is a 9 or 10 period.
Custom cards are fine, it's art and as long as it is disclosed it's good to sell for whatever you value your time.
The last couple custom cards, I'm confused why PSA graded something that uses the NFL logo, team name(s)/logo & NFLPA logo but is unlicensed. I get the autograph is real and that's what they were asked to grade. However, it seems like a violation of their own policy to grade a card that is unlicensed by either the league or player association but still uses the logos of one or both especially since the autographs are stickers. Doesn't using the logos like that violate applicable law? Then doesn't that make the card itself counterfeit? That seems like something that grading companies need to address.
100% agree!!! also PSA should upcharge them for making a rare 1/1 RC
10:05 Dude, this is what you’re paying for with the main companies these days too. Sticker autos, patches from mall jerseys.
In most of those cases, I lean to the "Buyer Beware" side. I don't like the misleading listings, but people have been selling snake oil for centuries. Buyer beware. Educate yourself on what is valid. Always check to see if they accept returns before bidding on an iffy listing like that.
Topps should have never created the TTY cards, very confusing, but buyers should be aware and actually look at the card, especially when paying more than $100. Shouldn’t have to state that a card was graded something else by a different grading company. Whoever buys the card from you, may end up reselling as well. PSA should state that the cards are custom cards. And, people shouldn’t be able to sell card with players likeness and logos.
Topps has been doing those throwback cards for decades. Bowman too. We all knew they weren’t originals back in the day. Why they did it? Because no way kids were affording 51 Mantles and this gave us a chance at having one. Why is it a problem now? That’s on the buyer if they can’t tell it’s a reprint.
PSA wrong, Chris Sewell right. Other grading companies may not get the money at resale as PSA, but the grading legitimacy at other grading companies is getting more respect than PSA.