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Canada's Secret Engineering Ritual
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2023
- Canada has a really interesting ritual oath for engineering graduates known as "The Iron Ring Ceremony," which has been around since 1925. During the ceremony, new engineers recite a pledge that was surprisingly written by author Rudyard Kipling. During the ceremony, the graduates are presented with an iron ring to be worn on the little finger of their working hand to remind them of their ethical obligations.
I think the concept of professional oaths would be really interesting for other fields, like social media content creators, if anyone wants to take a stab at what exactly that oath should entail.... @hankschannel
"what's that on your hand?"
"Oh, that's just my enginee-ring"
Take my like and leave.
I will never be able to unsee this.
That’s it, to the stratosphere with you
That guilty pleasure when I laughed...
It is weird seeing these Shorts comments on desktop (which I am on r.n.).
Hank and John are absolutely the correct people to write such an oath.
You are absolutely the correct person to write such a comment.
Edit: Chain Fail 😭
Really? Because when one of his videos gets called out for being wildly inaccurate, he just deletes it without a word or correction.
@@TheRealMirCatwhen has that happened? Which video(s)?
@@just_a_normal_nut Off the top of my head? SciShow did a video on Damascus Steel. There was a huge response on how every single 'fact' in the video was wrong. Then poof. Like it never happened. Not even a footnote in their podcast.
@@TheRealMirCatThat's sci show. Sci show likes to do that
Hank would ABSOLUTELY write such an oath
I'd be surprised if he hasn't already got a first draft
Don’t let this just fade away as a good joke you wrote once. Our society actually really needs this.
He would put in a mandatory minimum of tuberculosis awareness content all content creators have to make, and I would love it
Not only would Hank write it, a huge number of content creators would choose to follow it.
@@TheToneBender I'd be surprised if he didn't have a draft like 7 years ago.
people at Lockheed Martin
and Raytheon: *visably sweating*
Ah yes, because defending your country is extremely unethical
@@toxic_narcissist ah yes because creating weapons of mass destruction and bombing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and funding other countries to do the same is "protecting your country"
@@toxic_narcissistyou have a weird definition of defense.
@@bikramgill07the gau 8 is definetly just for defense purposes, thats why its so fuckinh strong
@@toxic_narcissistLockheed Martin and Raytheon would obviously never sell their weapons to a country with questionable motives like Saudi Arabia.
Oh wait.
You should add that they wear this ring made from the metals from Quebec bridge incident. They wear it in their writing hand so metal brushes the surface and reminds the engineer of their oath
Is it still made using metals from the bridge? I thought it was symbolic now given the metal may eventually run out.
@@AlbertKamut I don't know i am Turkish but perhaps a several ton bridge can make enough rings for century
@@AlbertKamuti heard that they already used any metal that came from accidents caused by engineering issue
@@pututunik8748it's kind of poetic in a bit of a messed up way
They went through the bridge metal pretty quickly, they’re all stainless steel now. Rings are retired though, so a new grad may get an old ring.
*Weapons engineers:*
- Wow, guys, isn't that the whole point?
That is a big question mark in the realm of engineering ethics. Some engineers believe that making weapons goes against the first canon of engineering ethics, "prioritize human life above all else" and tend to avoid those jobs, others see it as a necessary compromise to save more lives in the long run, and have no issues taking defense contracts.
“Shoulda brought more gun, son”
-Engineer TF2
I'm Canadian engineer, took this oath at the ceremony, and now I work for the Department of Defence. 😅
Some engineers design weapons, others design targets.
Only for single use items, like grenades. Anything reusable should be designed to keep the customer safe.
The last bit gets more and more needed as we move further into the year
"I'm engi-nearing my fucking limit"
potis
@@elsegundomejoryoyo spencer here
@@UnclenoseI love you
For engineers that graduate in certain universities in Canada, they give you the option of getting a either a stainless steel ring or an iron ring (which is what they were originally made from) hence why its called the Iron Ring Ceremony. The iron ring is said to be made from the iron remains of the collapsed bridge since it collapsed twice and is supposed to be a reminder of the responsibilities you have as an engineer. If you mess up a lot of people may die. It's unlikely that the iron rings given are still made of the iron from the bridge but considering only a handful of universities even give you the option of getting an iron ring over the stainless steel one, it might very well be the same iron. (I know all of this cause I'm studying engineering in Toronto. Not gonna specify which one for personal safety and what not)
I bet it's a few shavings in otherwise unconnected iron. That way it'll last for a very long time.
I'm pretty sure they never actually made them from the bridges, but the idea and sentiment originated there. It's a cool story/myth we perpetuate to carry the meaning I believe. (Studying engineering in Montreal)
@@lysanamcmillan7972 the rings get passed down, its pretty interesting
I actually lost my ring in Montréal, and had to get a replacement. My replacement ring was an Iron Ring (at least that is what I was told), handed down from someone, who retired from the profession. The new ring turned my skin green, lol. I never wear it 😂
queens
We have this in the US too. It's called the Order of the Engineer and you wear the ring on the pinky of your dominant hand
I found a lot of clips from engineering schools in the US, but I don't think they allow the Canadian version to be filmed, so I'm not sure how similar they are.
Oh sick. My dad went to uni in Canada and became an engineer there and I was feeling kinda sad that I wouldn’t get the ring if I went to an American school which I really want to. Thanks!
This sounds amazing but tbh I can't even tell if it's a joke 😂
may the father of understanding guide us
I did not do this when I graduated. Hasn't stopped me from engineering ethically, though, I can assure you!
If only journalists, politicians and technology companies would take this oath.
politicians: funny thought
Yes!
Journalists actually do have an oath of sorts, it's called the Journalist's Creed.
Some newspapers require it to be sworn by their employees, but a lot of journalists swear it on their own anyway.
Of course, editors will get in the way and change details of the article to fit the company's leaning and policies.
Politicians already take oaths, that's what "being sworn in" is.
It just extends as far as the law is concerned, and doesn't touch in ethical stuff.
So it's more a promise to not embezzle or commit treason or whatever.
Tech companies barely exist in law.
There's a lot of stuff we can do, that governments don't even recognise us as doing despite it being so open and blatant.
I'm not happy about it, but alas...
Lockheed Martin at the ceremony:
Its free real estate
Just for some additional context, the oath itself is a relatively minor part. The real oath comes when you get your license. The PEng regulators are the ones who require you to obey certain ethical expectations and put the public interest first.
I've actually met a few engineers who stopped wearing their iron rings because they wanted to emphasize the importance of the PEng rather than the obligation.
are most engineers licensed?
@@mrmrmaplesall engineers are licensed. You have to be licensed by the province your want to work in to have a job
@@mrmrmaples In Canada, engineering is a protected term like "nurse" or something, so you can't call yourself an engineer without being licensed. So technically the answer to your question is yes. More generally, there are a lot of things (like building designs) that still require an engineer to approve, and engineers have to stamp and sign the drawings. By law that requires a licensed engineer. However, a lot of engineering graduates these days don't bother getting licensed, as "engineering" covers more and more fields, and the legal framework these days has moved away from needing an engineer's approval. So something newer (software, a lot of electronics, green buildings, etc), especially if there's no significant public safety aspect, doesn't require a license. And as it's a fair bit of bother to get, and even businesses that need engineers' approval will sometimes outsource that to another company for liability reasons, a lot of graduates don't bother. Unless you need the title to get people to take you seriously. I do know a couple of people for whom that was incentive.
@@mrmrmaplesIn the US, there are two professional exams in the process to becoming an engineer. The first, the Fundamentals of Engineering test, is commonly taken in the last couple of years of an undergraduate degree. When you may take it varies by state. Once it's passed, the person is an "engineer-in-training". They then need to gain work experience (usually 4 years but a master's degree can be counted as some of the time) and pass the Professional Engineering Exam. While gaining experience, they work under a licensed engineer who takes "responsible charge" of work done by the EIT. After this experience and the exam, the person becomes a licenced Professional Engineer, or PE. Even licensed engineers have their work checked by someone else, because engineers are still humans.
I think it’s time we petition Hank Green to write the content creator oath 😂😂😂 I think some people need one
Yes
Some?
@@duccc Some...rton
@@erraticonteusei don't think a more perfect pun could have been made
@@erraticonteusethis is 4D UA-cam, I’m glad someone else had Hbomberguy in mind
I’m a jr in biomedical engineering and man I’m so excited for the iron ring. It’s a symbol of the culmination of all your hard work
Wow Hank Green (and John Green) is absolutely the rudyard kipling of content creators what a solid gold take
The ring goes on the pinkie so that it slides across the page as you sign your name, reminding you of your oath when you sign off on a design/analysis. A lot of us schools do this as well. I got a ring when I graduated with my bs in engineering.
I didn't get a cool ring what the heck
Bullshit in engineering?
They let us pick the finger I’ve never heard about the pinky thing before maybe it’s regional
The U.S. schools have been slowly adopting it from Canada
@@chrisharmata1797we did it almost 20 years ago in the US yeah.
And that ring was traditionally made from the remains of a failed bridge for extra symbolic impact .
🤯 didn’t realize that!
yeah my dad has one that allegedly is made from the iron from the quebec bridge itself
That's a myth. They are made of stainless steel and the bridge would have been made of normal steel. The myth is somewhat logical from a why not make it super obvious what the meaning of it is and where it came from. But in reality, bridge steel isn't good ring steel.
@@p-aranger9174 That's a minor engineering/metallurgy problem, especially when it no longer needs structural strength .
No, that's a myth, they never used the metal from the bridge
I actually stumbled upon this a few months ago. I was looking to maybe get a ring, I’ve always been very plain. But being an engineer apprentice I saw the iron ring ceremony and it got me going down the rabbit hole. Kinda makes me wish I studied in canda lol
We have it in the US too, I'm a member of the Order of Engineers, and it's a Stainless Steel ring on the dominant hand's pinky finger (so that the ring always sits on the blueprint as you write on it). It symbolizes the strength and precision of the trade. There's a ceremony after graduation where the head of our University link makes us swear an Oath (the Oath of the Engineer) and we get to don the ring through another giant ring.
Some colleges in the USA also do this oath or a similar oath. I got a pinky ring and signed an oath like this one at the University of Toledo. It was during the graduation ceremony from the Engineering College.
Yep, I have one as a biomedical engineer, and it's called the "Order of the Engineer" here in the USA. Also, we use stainless steel instead of iron.
I think at one point the Canadian order’s rings were made from the actual iron from the collapsed bridge
It’s cool to see a UT Engineer online, we probably crossed paths before
@@PaigeWeso well that all depends on what years you were at UT.
Have you acted in accordance with the oath ever since?
Fun fact, we wear the ring on the pinky of our dominant hand to remind us as we draft documents and it clinks on the table. I took "the oath of the engineer" when i graduated school here in the states, though it was optional. The ring also cost us like 15 bucks. Its basically the same thing, based on the canadian one, but also includes something about not abusing the resources of the planet.
Another fun fact, while mine was steel and rounded already, traditionally it was made of iron because its slightly softer and will round out the edges over time.
Love your content in general but this one just hit it out of the park.
Engineers in the US have a similar thing called the Order of the Engineer.
As well, Professional Engineers (PE) are bound to ethical practices to maintain their PE licenses, even if they dont take the Kipling oath. To get a PE, you have to take your Engineer-in-Training licence (by taking a test), and work under the supervision of another PE for at least 4 years (it's longer if you don't have a degree from an ABET accredited college).
In return, you get a special seal, which is necessary for pretty much any government work.
That said, not every person with an engineering degree is a PE, and it's not necessarily required for private sector work.
Hank Green would totally do that. And it would be awesome.
Don’t you forget it
It would not be awesome
He’s not even qualified for that
@@duckymomo7935 ... how is he not qualified to write a pledge for influencers to do no harm? That's literally his whole shtick.
it would be so awesome
it would be so cool
@@duckymomo7935Who would be more qualified than him?
I’m a mechanical engineer in the U.S. and we also wear this ring on our right pinky finger. It’s both as a recognition of our engineering status, but also a reminder of our duty to serve the public.
The topic of ethics and the trust we hold in institutions is very interesting, and extends to the medical, law, engineering, etc. realms; I was required to take courses about these topics. Essentially, the powers at be only have the powers they do if the public remains to trust them with it.
My father is in his mid 60s and wears his engineering ring more often than his marriage ring 😮
So people working at Lockheed and co just throws that stuff away?
@@jadencm4862 no, it’s called the Order of the Engineer-it is to engineers what the Hippocratic oath is doctors.
@@Menon9767 it depends on perspective and intention. Developing defense systems for your country is an honorable way to protect that which you love. Developing defense systems because a company will pay you a lot because all they actually want is to profit off war and death is not as honorable. The point of the ring is to remind you (the engineer) of the true intentions and results of your work.
@@masonkiel yeah I get the point, though there is not a single weapons manufacturer that doesn't fuel war somewhere in the world. Especially not in the US
This ceremony is also done in Buffalo, NY. Pretty fascinating to hear that it started in Canada
My dad took this oath and as he was passing away and couldn't communicate, I read this oath to him. I knew how much it meant to him, and he was grateful that I knew what it meant to him.... i could see it on his face, undoubtedly.
This was a part of my engineering education & licensing in the US. It's very important. Over the course of 40+ years working, I saw engineers ignore the code, I had managers ask me to ignore it, and saw constructors short-cut designs. If you're an engineer, protect yourself & the public with design margin & construction inspection.
My dad worked for a major chemical plant, mostly in the US but also many other places. He socialized in concrete foundations. My mom said he didn’t move up much in the company because he refused to listen to such requests.
Can't speak for other states but the Texas board of engineers have an anonymous reporting structure in place and can (and have) revoked peoples licensure. Texas had an incident with a school that is the intro to every ethic's course that we have to take each year.
Tofu dreg projects in China are some of the best examples I have seen of engineering fails at catastrophic levels. Their diverse environment doesn't help, to be fair, but half the "engineering" is done by hired construction companies that can't help but cut costs for short-term profit gains.
The magic of the NSPE code of ethics right?
My sister is an architectural engineer in California. I attended her “Order of the Engineers” ceremony where I learned this story you’ve shared. I was also told that the original rings were created from the steel of the Quebec bridge that collapsed!
thank god i don’t have to take the oath
There is something still powerful about oaths, the knowledge that you are expected to uphold something greater than you, while also knowing that you will be held accountable if you fail to keep up to the standard that it's expected together with the huge responsibility in your hand.
I am so here for the Hank Green Oath of Good Content Creation.
Hank Green is a leftist, and he supports communists and post/trans-humanist 'progressives'.
Not a guy to be taking morality tips from
Oh hey!! My professor did the same thing for my graduating class in the US. Our rings were made out of rebar from a faulty bridge. Ours were made to be pinky rings for your dominant hand so that every time you sign off on something the ring hits the contract and reminds you of your oath.
Hank would do a great job writing one!!!☝️
Hank green is one of my favorite day drinkers of all time.
After seeing HBomberGuy's new video, I think a content-creator-oath written by Hank Green is a fantastic idea
Except engineers are actually important
@@bloozism the largest source of independent video creators that has more sway than modern tv isnt important...
Rudyard Kipling also wrote the standard inscription on WW1 commonwealth war graves
He's also the reason that Medicine Hat didn't change its name to Gastown. He wrote a letter in opposition to the proposal that was published in the local newspapers and dissuaded residents from changing the name. He also was known for his fanous quote describing the area as "having all hell for a basement" in reference to the local gas fields, influencing local culture and later Big Sugars' song All Hell For a Basement.
Hank and John totally could write that oath and i think it would benefit society at a larger scale than most would actually think in the long term. It doesn't even have to be a huge ceremony requirement exclusivity thing, it could be very chill. More like a oath to yourself and community kinda vibe
We have a similar thing in the US! It’s called the order of the engineer. The difference is in the US it’s an obligation rather than an oath. I did mine and got my ring and I proudly wear it everyday!
Just to add, I’m pretty sure the point of the ring is that anytime you’re drafting the design of a project the ring drags across the paper to remind you of your responsibility
But everything is digital nowadays. Would be surprised to see paper in a modern office
That’s why it’s worn on the little finger of your dominant hand.
@@caroline10081 the ability to draw technical drawings on paper is required anyway. My professor once planned an entire project on a piece of paper they gave him in a restaurant.
You won't always have a laptop on hand, and sometimes projects are random bursts of inspiration.
@@caroline10081 Pretty much every senior engineer I've worked with has had:
- Stacks of review copies of drawings from current project(s)
- Printed out versions of various codes
- Rolled up D-size prints of previous projects, gathering dust
Plus various sketch pads, sticky notes, and so on.
If there's a real paperless office out there, I've never seen it.
Avoiding professional jealousy is an awesome one to include
Such an ideally fitting comparison. Kipling has said and written some profoundly astounding things
Hymn to breaking strain is one of my favorite poems.
"In Canada" *Holds up maquette of bridge in London*
Not just a bridge in London, THE London Bridge
Nope, Tower Bridge
@@SniperOnSunday No, it's Tower Bridge, not London Bridge
@SniperOnSunday yeah, that's not London bridge.
Also, London Bridge has been in Arizona since 1968. Lake Havasu to be specific.
@@martindinner3621 That's the fake London Bridge though. The real London Bridge is in London (shocking, I know)
Interesting to see this as I am currently going though my Engineering degree in Canada, meaning hopefully one day I'll be in that ceremony, swearing that oath, and wearing my iron ring too!
I graduated during COVID so I had a virtual ceremony, paid the free, and they never mailed me the ring. Fuckers.
Good luck with your university career!
And the ceremony is pretty unique, especially being off limits to any non-ringed people (including guests), you certainly feel a sense of pride. The only funny part of the process is that you might have to give a mandatory “donation” for the ring 😂
+1 for Hank Green writing a content creator ethics oath.
In Germany another location we use is "where the pepper grows" in sentences like "Du kannst bleiben wo der Pfeffer wächst" "You can stay where the pepper grows" something you say when you dont want to see someone.
And originally pepper grew in India and Sri Lanka
Having the Green Brothers write the content creators oath would be awesome.
Absolutely not
Love your videos. A small correction on your item about doctors. White Coat Ceremonies are a newer tradition, are at the start of medical education years before you become a doctor, and don't involve an oath. The Hippocratic Oath or one of its modern descendants like the Yale Physicians' Oath is taken at the graduation ceremony, when you actually become a doctor. It also doesn't use the words "Do No Harm", although "nonmaleficence" is one of the pillars of medical ethics.
As an old engineer not from Canada: this is something that seems appropriate and cool.
"Upon Honour and Cold Iron, God helping me, I purpose to abide"
That goes pretty hard
To clarify: we don't swear an oath in the United States, but there is a strict code of engineering ethics, and the first rule is to hold human life above all things.
EDIT: For those asking, yes. The defense industry is generally not considered a violation of engineering ethics codes (there is actually more than one, every engineers' association has their own code). Individual interpretations of those codes may disagree, though. But when you build a car that consistently explodes during rear-end collisions, or launch a space shuttle when you should know it's too cold for the systems to work properly, people _will_ get on your case for neglecting your duty to preserve human life.
The code is as binding as a pinky swear. Lockheed Martin Still exists
*Procceds to build houses with cheap materials and inflated prices to enrich real estate companies.
Isn't that part already in like, you know, building regulations? Building code? Whatever you call it in english.
Robot engineering in a nutshell
@@speerie736 Exactly
Y'all need to ask Hank to write that agreement. UA-cam seriously needs it.
I heard about this while cashiering from a Quebecois engineer, and he showed me the imprint of where the ring would go, very cool stuff!
I love that he recognizes Hank, and I couldn't agree more with that choice of designer for a content creator's code of ethics.
Oh wow, I didn't think I'd see a short as it's released. And I'd love seeing that practice in every profession.
Ayyy glad to see a video about this! Graduated BCIT as an aerospace engineer about 4 years ago- While I'm not allowed to wear the ring to work, I do have it hanging on my rear view mirror and recite the oath any time I'm frustrated about work. The words "Integrity, Tolerance, Respect, Fair Dealing" are engraved into it thanks to my late father.
getting Hank and John to do that would be amazing. They would be the best people for the job too.
There is also a Order of Engineers here in the US, it is closely linked to Canada's and the only major differences are that our rings are Stainless Steel and the Oath is not mandatory.
I take great pride in my Oath
In Germany, doctors used to have to belong to fencing clubs and upon graduation would receive a ceremonial slash across their cheek called a Schmiß that would be the equivalent of the iron ring for engineers.
That was German academics in general, from what I’ve read.
It'll be "I promise not to become the main character of a 4 hour HBomberguy deepdive"
All the Engineering and Science fields should require this.
Fun fact an iron ring on someone’s dominate hand is a good way to tell if someone is an engineer. And this happens in some American schools as well.
I’m currently studying Mech E and i learned that in my intro to engineering class.
We need these oaths at alot of jobs and people willing to uphpld them❤
Okay yeah no please ask Hank to write an oath, it’d be really funny and you know he’d do it or give us a really fun fact about oaths
Probably both!
He’s not qualified for that
@@duckymomo7935 who is qualified?
Someone contact Hank, this is a golden idea
That's a good idea. John is also a writer and we can have the two of them write an oath for so many other fields aswell.
I wish I could ask my dad about this. He worked in both the US and Canada. He passed in March. This is interesting to learn!
Kipling was a big fan of engineers. Many of his works deal with building and design. I can see why he was asked to write the oath.
"I promise to do no harm, but to cause many inconveniences to those who have to repair my machines"
The honor involved in the white coat ceromony, although now corrupted by industry, is a tear inducing symbol of humanitys potential greatness.
Can we please make this happen?
It already exists
he has tried to unionize the UA-camrs like 3 times
A) Hank totally would
B) I think one of the most interesting things I’ve heard about the enginee-rings is that they’re put on your dominant hand so that they always clink against stuff you grab and they’re designed to be a liiiittle uncomfortable so that you always have the oath on your mind, NOW, that might not actually be true, it’s, like, third hand knowledge but it sounds rad lol
There actually is a concrete method / ritual to safeguard engineers from doing harm or general incompetence in places outside of Canada where the oath is not a ritual. This thing is quite universal and rightfully so as it has worked almost all the time where the cases when it doesn't is really the fault of human nature.
It's called money and getting paid.
If the engineers didn't do well enough, they're not going to eat enough.
If they are incompetent, no one is going to hire them.
This is why countless amounts of engineering projects may succeed outside of Canada.
Just like Doctors, the oath doesn't really mean anything to those who's nature forbids themselves to have it mean anything.
Imagine you tske this oath then immediately go work for raytheon
😅
"The missiles go up. Where they come down, that's not my department."
-Tom Lehrer, "Werner Von Braun"
Raytheon oath: "I solemnly swear to not blow up the customer."
The oath doesnt prohibit working in weapons or defense
The oath is about the things you design not failing from cut corners or you doing things against the law for a customer. Nothing in it prohibits working in weapon producing companies.
I've never seen a more astounding case of "it was a different era" than asking Rudyard Kipling to write a pledge of ethics.
This is absolutely necessary 🙏 engineers are so overlooked coz there are so many who choose that path and go jobless but it’s so important to value them. Every profession Infact
I learned about this in my business ethics class this semester!! Never thought I’d hear about it again so soon lmao
I think Hank and John would write the best ethical content creation oath.
The Canadian rings are made of collapsed bridges and everyone jokes that they’re the most expensive rings you’ll ever see because you have to go to university for 4+ years to get one
I once explained the ring and that joke to a business student and they immediately said "so if I sell them at half cost I can make a fortune?". Half way through my degree I did not find that funny haha
This also in America it’s called the order of the engineer, My college only required it for Mechanical and Mecatronic Engineers, although I didn’t go to the civil graduation ceremony so maybe they do as well. We wear stainless steel ring on the pinky of the working hand. If a surgeon messes up 1 person dies if an engineer messes up and the plan crashes 600 people could die. If you have any questions let me know.
I’m from Canada and my physics teacher in school wore this ring, he initially studied engineering and then physics later.
How are we supposed to hire lockheed martin engineers if they have to abide by an ethical oath?
They subcontract.
The oath is not for working only in "ethical" engineering fields but in any engineering position to not cut corners, break laws for a customer or company, or fail to design to code.
@@deerhawk7788 🤓
I sold my moral compass to work at Lockheed Martin for 90k a year
That’s only if you are member of a society called the Order of the Engineer, Ive heard that a lot of Canadian schools require it and in Canada, the rings are actually made from Iron from the Quebec bridge. In the US, few schools even discuss it. I was lucky enough to have a professor who was a member of the order so most of our class joined. Also in the US, the ring is stainless steel or titanium if you have sensitive skin
In the states it’s optional but a lot of people still take the oath. The original rings were made from the stainless steel of the collapsed bridge. If you have the ring in Canada you can also get free drinks in most bars!
Honestly, that would be an exceedingly Hank Green thing to do. To the point, that I'm surprised he hasnt done it already.
I'm in America. My college does this too. In fact, a lot of our engineering classes have constant reminders of how to use this knowledge in an ethical manner. Even my freshman classes they told us not to continue if we only care about the money.
I'm surprised that you have to be reminded of this, in Europe we simply follow the construction law/building regulations/building code (whatever you call it in english).
@@Dread_2137This. It is weird that there is an oath. Just follow safety regulations?
Honestly having hank green make an ethical oath for content creators is a good idea and i would trust it from him
My uncles an engineer in Toronto. Still wars his ring. It’s easy to forget just how much trust we put in engineers daily
And then they see the paycheck from Raytheon and throw out the ring XD
Nothing in the oath prohibits making weapons as long as they make them safely for users and don't cut corners
As someone in the US who us considering going into engineering, I will be fully taking advantage of not being bound to an oath, and will be many robots to take over the world
While that sort of "secret ceremony" for engineers doesn't really exist in the us;
When getting their Professional Licence, engineers are required to agree to and understand a detailed Code of Ethics. Also the comprehensive exam that is part of the process includes a section on Ethics.
@hankschannel you absolutely need to get on this
John is like the BEST person to do that
IT and technology needs something like this.
As a Mechanical Engineering student at Texas Tech I actually have some input on this. Engineers do have codes of ethics that are required to be followed in order for each engineer to be accepted into their respective field. However, each engineering department is different. For instance, ME has a fairly large code of ethics whereas the Chemical Engineers have a broad and small code of ethics. We may not make a big deal about our code of ethics but we do have them.
You make a good point, we need a ethical code for content creators