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  • Canada has a really interesting ritual oath for engineering graduates known as "The Iron Ring Ceremony," which has been around since 1925. During the ceremony, new engineers recite a pledge that was surprisingly written by author Rudyard Kipling. During the ceremony, the graduates are presented with an iron ring to be worn on the little finger of their working hand to remind them of their ethical obligations.
    I think the concept of professional oaths would be really interesting for other fields, like social media content creators, if anyone wants to take a stab at what exactly that oath should entail.... ‪@hankschannel‬

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  • @samandom8772
    @samandom8772 7 місяців тому +13658

    "what's that on your hand?"
    "Oh, that's just my enginee-ring"

    • @lemagicbaguette1917
      @lemagicbaguette1917 7 місяців тому +395

      Take my like and leave.

    • @pablokorona
      @pablokorona 7 місяців тому +153

      I will never be able to unsee this.

    • @TheDragonMaster-TDM
      @TheDragonMaster-TDM 7 місяців тому +98

      That’s it, to the stratosphere with you

    • @Amadis691
      @Amadis691 7 місяців тому +52

      That guilty pleasure when I laughed...

    • @jovan-noble-guy749
      @jovan-noble-guy749 7 місяців тому +14

      It is weird seeing these Shorts comments on desktop (which I am on r.n.).

  • @kaselier1116
    @kaselier1116 8 місяців тому +20808

    Hank and John are absolutely the correct people to write such an oath.

    • @kashmirandal6282
      @kashmirandal6282 8 місяців тому +192

      You are absolutely the correct person to write such a comment.
      Edit: Chain Fail 😭

    • @TheRealMirCat
      @TheRealMirCat 8 місяців тому +87

      Really? Because when one of his videos gets called out for being wildly inaccurate, he just deletes it without a word or correction.

    • @just_a_normal_nut
      @just_a_normal_nut 8 місяців тому +115

      @@TheRealMirCatwhen has that happened? Which video(s)?

    • @TheRealMirCat
      @TheRealMirCat 8 місяців тому +79

      @@just_a_normal_nut Off the top of my head? SciShow did a video on Damascus Steel. There was a huge response on how every single 'fact' in the video was wrong. Then poof. Like it never happened. Not even a footnote in their podcast.

    • @CybernerdShua
      @CybernerdShua 8 місяців тому +96

      ​@@TheRealMirCatThat's sci show. Sci show likes to do that

  • @bingo8408
    @bingo8408 7 місяців тому +2776

    Hank would ABSOLUTELY write such an oath

    • @TheToneBender
      @TheToneBender 6 місяців тому +84

      I'd be surprised if he hasn't already got a first draft

    • @fbgmroadrunner456
      @fbgmroadrunner456 6 місяців тому +29

      Don’t let this just fade away as a good joke you wrote once. Our society actually really needs this.

    • @wiggletonthewise2141
      @wiggletonthewise2141 3 місяці тому +11

      He would put in a mandatory minimum of tuberculosis awareness content all content creators have to make, and I would love it

    • @bernier42
      @bernier42 Місяць тому +1

      Not only would Hank write it, a huge number of content creators would choose to follow it.

    • @Trixter9000
      @Trixter9000 Місяць тому

      ​@@TheToneBender I'd be surprised if he didn't have a draft like 7 years ago.

  • @Vifnis
    @Vifnis 6 місяців тому +338

    people at Lockheed Martin
    and Raytheon: *visably sweating*

    • @toxic_narcissist
      @toxic_narcissist 25 днів тому +9

      Ah yes, because defending your country is extremely unethical

    • @Cirkaethebest
      @Cirkaethebest 25 днів тому

      ​@@toxic_narcissist ah yes because creating weapons of mass destruction and bombing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and funding other countries to do the same is "protecting your country"

    • @bikramgill07
      @bikramgill07 24 дні тому +42

      @@toxic_narcissistyou have a weird definition of defense.

    • @l2_linksklix
      @l2_linksklix 9 днів тому +8

      ​@@bikramgill07the gau 8 is definetly just for defense purposes, thats why its so fuckinh strong

    • @thobinski2917
      @thobinski2917 8 днів тому

      @@toxic_narcissistLockheed Martin and Raytheon would obviously never sell their weapons to a country with questionable motives like Saudi Arabia.
      Oh wait.

  • @semihezen9541
    @semihezen9541 8 місяців тому +6722

    You should add that they wear this ring made from the metals from Quebec bridge incident. They wear it in their writing hand so metal brushes the surface and reminds the engineer of their oath

    • @AlbertKamut
      @AlbertKamut 8 місяців тому +371

      Is it still made using metals from the bridge? I thought it was symbolic now given the metal may eventually run out.

    • @semihezen9541
      @semihezen9541 8 місяців тому +472

      @@AlbertKamut I don't know i am Turkish but perhaps a several ton bridge can make enough rings for century

    • @pututunik8748
      @pututunik8748 8 місяців тому +364

      ​@@AlbertKamuti heard that they already used any metal that came from accidents caused by engineering issue

    • @merelha5930
      @merelha5930 8 місяців тому +172

      ​@@pututunik8748it's kind of poetic in a bit of a messed up way

    • @natkat_creates
      @natkat_creates 7 місяців тому +273

      They went through the bridge metal pretty quickly, they’re all stainless steel now. Rings are retired though, so a new grad may get an old ring.

  • @ArheIy
    @ArheIy 7 місяців тому +2743

    *Weapons engineers:*
    - Wow, guys, isn't that the whole point?

    • @OptimusPhillip
      @OptimusPhillip 7 місяців тому +291

      That is a big question mark in the realm of engineering ethics. Some engineers believe that making weapons goes against the first canon of engineering ethics, "prioritize human life above all else" and tend to avoid those jobs, others see it as a necessary compromise to save more lives in the long run, and have no issues taking defense contracts.

    • @Crux___
      @Crux___ 7 місяців тому +136

      “Shoulda brought more gun, son”
      -Engineer TF2

    • @Panzermeister36
      @Panzermeister36 7 місяців тому +100

      I'm Canadian engineer, took this oath at the ceremony, and now I work for the Department of Defence. 😅

    • @Aztec218
      @Aztec218 7 місяців тому +75

      Some engineers design weapons, others design targets.

    • @ambercolie1200
      @ambercolie1200 7 місяців тому +19

      Only for single use items, like grenades. Anything reusable should be designed to keep the customer safe.

  • @kirbyismygod8825
    @kirbyismygod8825 5 днів тому +3

    The last bit gets more and more needed as we move further into the year

  • @Funghios
    @Funghios 2 місяці тому +35

    "I'm engi-nearing my fucking limit"

  • @smeeglestheringbearer
    @smeeglestheringbearer 7 місяців тому +626

    For engineers that graduate in certain universities in Canada, they give you the option of getting a either a stainless steel ring or an iron ring (which is what they were originally made from) hence why its called the Iron Ring Ceremony. The iron ring is said to be made from the iron remains of the collapsed bridge since it collapsed twice and is supposed to be a reminder of the responsibilities you have as an engineer. If you mess up a lot of people may die. It's unlikely that the iron rings given are still made of the iron from the bridge but considering only a handful of universities even give you the option of getting an iron ring over the stainless steel one, it might very well be the same iron. (I know all of this cause I'm studying engineering in Toronto. Not gonna specify which one for personal safety and what not)

    • @lysanamcmillan7972
      @lysanamcmillan7972 7 місяців тому +15

      I bet it's a few shavings in otherwise unconnected iron. That way it'll last for a very long time.

    • @slayersentience666
      @slayersentience666 7 місяців тому +14

      I'm pretty sure they never actually made them from the bridges, but the idea and sentiment originated there. It's a cool story/myth we perpetuate to carry the meaning I believe. (Studying engineering in Montreal)

    • @rancorusia
      @rancorusia 7 місяців тому +4

      @@lysanamcmillan7972 the rings get passed down, its pretty interesting

    • @thatguybrad4575
      @thatguybrad4575 7 місяців тому +8

      I actually lost my ring in Montréal, and had to get a replacement. My replacement ring was an Iron Ring (at least that is what I was told), handed down from someone, who retired from the profession. The new ring turned my skin green, lol. I never wear it 😂

    • @roth4916
      @roth4916 7 місяців тому

      queens

  • @jessicaclark1245
    @jessicaclark1245 8 місяців тому +2820

    We have this in the US too. It's called the Order of the Engineer and you wear the ring on the pinky of your dominant hand

    • @_magnify
      @_magnify  8 місяців тому +580

      I found a lot of clips from engineering schools in the US, but I don't think they allow the Canadian version to be filmed, so I'm not sure how similar they are.

    • @OrangeDuster
      @OrangeDuster 8 місяців тому +74

      Oh sick. My dad went to uni in Canada and became an engineer there and I was feeling kinda sad that I wouldn’t get the ring if I went to an American school which I really want to. Thanks!

    • @raeandringa7260
      @raeandringa7260 8 місяців тому +5

      This sounds amazing but tbh I can't even tell if it's a joke 😂

    • @tenkaramadowaseru
      @tenkaramadowaseru 7 місяців тому +1

      may the father of understanding guide us

    • @jonathanrovenstine3330
      @jonathanrovenstine3330 7 місяців тому +27

      I did not do this when I graduated. Hasn't stopped me from engineering ethically, though, I can assure you!

  • @no1bandfan
    @no1bandfan 7 місяців тому +61

    If only journalists, politicians and technology companies would take this oath.

    • @arnkriegbaum
      @arnkriegbaum 7 місяців тому +3

      politicians: funny thought

    • @DigiVixen
      @DigiVixen 6 місяців тому +1

      Yes!

    • @safebox36
      @safebox36 6 місяців тому +3

      Journalists actually do have an oath of sorts, it's called the Journalist's Creed.
      Some newspapers require it to be sworn by their employees, but a lot of journalists swear it on their own anyway.
      Of course, editors will get in the way and change details of the article to fit the company's leaning and policies.

    • @safebox36
      @safebox36 6 місяців тому +4

      Politicians already take oaths, that's what "being sworn in" is.
      It just extends as far as the law is concerned, and doesn't touch in ethical stuff.
      So it's more a promise to not embezzle or commit treason or whatever.

    • @safebox36
      @safebox36 6 місяців тому +2

      Tech companies barely exist in law.
      There's a lot of stuff we can do, that governments don't even recognise us as doing despite it being so open and blatant.
      I'm not happy about it, but alas...

  • @cobalticsea5037
    @cobalticsea5037 7 місяців тому +3

    Lockheed Martin at the ceremony:
    Its free real estate

  • @electricerger
    @electricerger 7 місяців тому +1479

    Just for some additional context, the oath itself is a relatively minor part. The real oath comes when you get your license. The PEng regulators are the ones who require you to obey certain ethical expectations and put the public interest first.

    • @1One2Three5Eight13
      @1One2Three5Eight13 7 місяців тому +27

      I've actually met a few engineers who stopped wearing their iron rings because they wanted to emphasize the importance of the PEng rather than the obligation.

    • @mrmrmaples
      @mrmrmaples 7 місяців тому

      are most engineers licensed?

    • @voxhominem
      @voxhominem 7 місяців тому +14

      @@mrmrmaplesall engineers are licensed. You have to be licensed by the province your want to work in to have a job

    • @1One2Three5Eight13
      @1One2Three5Eight13 7 місяців тому +19

      @@mrmrmaples In Canada, engineering is a protected term like "nurse" or something, so you can't call yourself an engineer without being licensed. So technically the answer to your question is yes. More generally, there are a lot of things (like building designs) that still require an engineer to approve, and engineers have to stamp and sign the drawings. By law that requires a licensed engineer. However, a lot of engineering graduates these days don't bother getting licensed, as "engineering" covers more and more fields, and the legal framework these days has moved away from needing an engineer's approval. So something newer (software, a lot of electronics, green buildings, etc), especially if there's no significant public safety aspect, doesn't require a license. And as it's a fair bit of bother to get, and even businesses that need engineers' approval will sometimes outsource that to another company for liability reasons, a lot of graduates don't bother. Unless you need the title to get people to take you seriously. I do know a couple of people for whom that was incentive.

    • @jenniferpearce1052
      @jenniferpearce1052 7 місяців тому +5

      ​@@mrmrmaplesIn the US, there are two professional exams in the process to becoming an engineer. The first, the Fundamentals of Engineering test, is commonly taken in the last couple of years of an undergraduate degree. When you may take it varies by state. Once it's passed, the person is an "engineer-in-training". They then need to gain work experience (usually 4 years but a master's degree can be counted as some of the time) and pass the Professional Engineering Exam. While gaining experience, they work under a licensed engineer who takes "responsible charge" of work done by the EIT. After this experience and the exam, the person becomes a licenced Professional Engineer, or PE. Even licensed engineers have their work checked by someone else, because engineers are still humans.

  • @kanch3488
    @kanch3488 8 місяців тому +2181

    I think it’s time we petition Hank Green to write the content creator oath 😂😂😂 I think some people need one

    • @Jackred94
      @Jackred94 8 місяців тому +16

      Yes

    • @duccc
      @duccc 8 місяців тому +10

      Some?

    • @erraticonteuse
      @erraticonteuse 7 місяців тому +25

      ​@@duccc Some...rton

    • @jokig
      @jokig 7 місяців тому +5

      ​@@erraticonteusei don't think a more perfect pun could have been made

    • @marcolopez7057
      @marcolopez7057 7 місяців тому

      @@erraticonteusethis is 4D UA-cam, I’m glad someone else had Hbomberguy in mind

  • @isaiahrogge
    @isaiahrogge 7 місяців тому +1

    I’m a jr in biomedical engineering and man I’m so excited for the iron ring. It’s a symbol of the culmination of all your hard work

  • @Jothaxify
    @Jothaxify 7 місяців тому +10

    Wow Hank Green (and John Green) is absolutely the rudyard kipling of content creators what a solid gold take

  • @catw461
    @catw461 7 місяців тому +548

    The ring goes on the pinkie so that it slides across the page as you sign your name, reminding you of your oath when you sign off on a design/analysis. A lot of us schools do this as well. I got a ring when I graduated with my bs in engineering.

    • @dengar96
      @dengar96 2 місяці тому +9

      I didn't get a cool ring what the heck

    • @BabyGirl-cw6uj
      @BabyGirl-cw6uj 2 місяці тому +31

      Bullshit in engineering?

    • @porkypine602
      @porkypine602 2 місяці тому +1

      They let us pick the finger I’ve never heard about the pinky thing before maybe it’s regional

    • @chrisharmata1797
      @chrisharmata1797 2 місяці тому +4

      The U.S. schools have been slowly adopting it from Canada

    • @JamesJamersonIsAGod
      @JamesJamersonIsAGod Місяць тому +1

      @@chrisharmata1797we did it almost 20 years ago in the US yeah.

  • @johndododoe1411
    @johndododoe1411 8 місяців тому +288

    And that ring was traditionally made from the remains of a failed bridge for extra symbolic impact .

    • @_magnify
      @_magnify  8 місяців тому +41

      🤯 didn’t realize that!

    • @5minus4equalsUNITY
      @5minus4equalsUNITY 8 місяців тому +16

      yeah my dad has one that allegedly is made from the iron from the quebec bridge itself

    • @p-aranger9174
      @p-aranger9174 8 місяців тому +11

      That's a myth. They are made of stainless steel and the bridge would have been made of normal steel. The myth is somewhat logical from a why not make it super obvious what the meaning of it is and where it came from. But in reality, bridge steel isn't good ring steel.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 8 місяців тому +5

      @@p-aranger9174 That's a minor engineering/metallurgy problem, especially when it no longer needs structural strength .

    • @Nosettknowsit
      @Nosettknowsit 7 місяців тому +4

      No, that's a myth, they never used the metal from the bridge

  • @Impossible_Fishy
    @Impossible_Fishy 7 місяців тому +1

    I actually stumbled upon this a few months ago. I was looking to maybe get a ring, I’ve always been very plain. But being an engineer apprentice I saw the iron ring ceremony and it got me going down the rabbit hole. Kinda makes me wish I studied in canda lol

  • @rocketgirl3366
    @rocketgirl3366 7 місяців тому

    We have it in the US too, I'm a member of the Order of Engineers, and it's a Stainless Steel ring on the dominant hand's pinky finger (so that the ring always sits on the blueprint as you write on it). It symbolizes the strength and precision of the trade. There's a ceremony after graduation where the head of our University link makes us swear an Oath (the Oath of the Engineer) and we get to don the ring through another giant ring.

  • @BraveRhythm
    @BraveRhythm 8 місяців тому +361

    Some colleges in the USA also do this oath or a similar oath. I got a pinky ring and signed an oath like this one at the University of Toledo. It was during the graduation ceremony from the Engineering College.

    • @dominick9961
      @dominick9961 8 місяців тому +12

      Yep, I have one as a biomedical engineer, and it's called the "Order of the Engineer" here in the USA. Also, we use stainless steel instead of iron.

    • @johnholtgreive5301
      @johnholtgreive5301 8 місяців тому +3

      I think at one point the Canadian order’s rings were made from the actual iron from the collapsed bridge

    • @PaigeWeso
      @PaigeWeso 8 місяців тому

      It’s cool to see a UT Engineer online, we probably crossed paths before

    • @BraveRhythm
      @BraveRhythm 8 місяців тому

      @@PaigeWeso well that all depends on what years you were at UT.

    • @Friedegger
      @Friedegger 7 місяців тому

      Have you acted in accordance with the oath ever since?

  • @KN-oc7cu
    @KN-oc7cu 7 місяців тому +39

    Fun fact, we wear the ring on the pinky of our dominant hand to remind us as we draft documents and it clinks on the table. I took "the oath of the engineer" when i graduated school here in the states, though it was optional. The ring also cost us like 15 bucks. Its basically the same thing, based on the canadian one, but also includes something about not abusing the resources of the planet.
    Another fun fact, while mine was steel and rounded already, traditionally it was made of iron because its slightly softer and will round out the edges over time.

  • @tjthill
    @tjthill 7 місяців тому

    Love your content in general but this one just hit it out of the park.

  • @AtrusOranis
    @AtrusOranis 7 місяців тому

    Engineers in the US have a similar thing called the Order of the Engineer.
    As well, Professional Engineers (PE) are bound to ethical practices to maintain their PE licenses, even if they dont take the Kipling oath. To get a PE, you have to take your Engineer-in-Training licence (by taking a test), and work under the supervision of another PE for at least 4 years (it's longer if you don't have a degree from an ABET accredited college).
    In return, you get a special seal, which is necessary for pretty much any government work.
    That said, not every person with an engineering degree is a PE, and it's not necessarily required for private sector work.

  • @safaiaryu12
    @safaiaryu12 8 місяців тому +227

    Hank Green would totally do that. And it would be awesome.

    • @yveslafrance2806
      @yveslafrance2806 7 місяців тому

      Don’t you forget it

    • @duckymomo7935
      @duckymomo7935 7 місяців тому +3

      It would not be awesome
      He’s not even qualified for that

    • @safaiaryu12
      @safaiaryu12 7 місяців тому +2

      @@duckymomo7935 ... how is he not qualified to write a pledge for influencers to do no harm? That's literally his whole shtick.

    • @rowboat10
      @rowboat10 7 місяців тому

      it would be so awesome
      it would be so cool

    • @spudsbuchlaw
      @spudsbuchlaw 7 місяців тому

      ​@@duckymomo7935Who would be more qualified than him?

  • @masonkiel
    @masonkiel 7 місяців тому +440

    I’m a mechanical engineer in the U.S. and we also wear this ring on our right pinky finger. It’s both as a recognition of our engineering status, but also a reminder of our duty to serve the public.
    The topic of ethics and the trust we hold in institutions is very interesting, and extends to the medical, law, engineering, etc. realms; I was required to take courses about these topics. Essentially, the powers at be only have the powers they do if the public remains to trust them with it.

    • @bloozism
      @bloozism 7 місяців тому +8

      My father is in his mid 60s and wears his engineering ring more often than his marriage ring 😮

    • @Menon9767
      @Menon9767 2 місяці тому

      So people working at Lockheed and co just throws that stuff away?

    • @masonkiel
      @masonkiel 2 місяці тому +1

      @@jadencm4862 no, it’s called the Order of the Engineer-it is to engineers what the Hippocratic oath is doctors.

    • @masonkiel
      @masonkiel 2 місяці тому

      @@Menon9767 it depends on perspective and intention. Developing defense systems for your country is an honorable way to protect that which you love. Developing defense systems because a company will pay you a lot because all they actually want is to profit off war and death is not as honorable. The point of the ring is to remind you (the engineer) of the true intentions and results of your work.

    • @Menon9767
      @Menon9767 2 місяці тому

      @@masonkiel yeah I get the point, though there is not a single weapons manufacturer that doesn't fuel war somewhere in the world. Especially not in the US

  • @andrewcrone1200
    @andrewcrone1200 7 місяців тому

    This ceremony is also done in Buffalo, NY. Pretty fascinating to hear that it started in Canada

  • @robertcampomizzi7988
    @robertcampomizzi7988 23 дні тому

    My dad took this oath and as he was passing away and couldn't communicate, I read this oath to him. I knew how much it meant to him, and he was grateful that I knew what it meant to him.... i could see it on his face, undoubtedly.

  • @kerryjlynch1
    @kerryjlynch1 8 місяців тому +48

    This was a part of my engineering education & licensing in the US. It's very important. Over the course of 40+ years working, I saw engineers ignore the code, I had managers ask me to ignore it, and saw constructors short-cut designs. If you're an engineer, protect yourself & the public with design margin & construction inspection.

    • @truckerdave8465
      @truckerdave8465 7 місяців тому +2

      My dad worked for a major chemical plant, mostly in the US but also many other places. He socialized in concrete foundations. My mom said he didn’t move up much in the company because he refused to listen to such requests.

    • @TheIgle
      @TheIgle 7 місяців тому +1

      Can't speak for other states but the Texas board of engineers have an anonymous reporting structure in place and can (and have) revoked peoples licensure. Texas had an incident with a school that is the intro to every ethic's course that we have to take each year.

    • @richardbonnette490
      @richardbonnette490 7 місяців тому

      Tofu dreg projects in China are some of the best examples I have seen of engineering fails at catastrophic levels. Their diverse environment doesn't help, to be fair, but half the "engineering" is done by hired construction companies that can't help but cut costs for short-term profit gains.

    • @daltonbruce2053
      @daltonbruce2053 7 місяців тому

      The magic of the NSPE code of ethics right?

  • @patrick3234
    @patrick3234 7 місяців тому +25

    My sister is an architectural engineer in California. I attended her “Order of the Engineers” ceremony where I learned this story you’ve shared. I was also told that the original rings were created from the steel of the Quebec bridge that collapsed!

  • @delusionalmerg1323
    @delusionalmerg1323 7 місяців тому +1

    thank god i don’t have to take the oath

  • @giacomoromano8842
    @giacomoromano8842 7 місяців тому

    There is something still powerful about oaths, the knowledge that you are expected to uphold something greater than you, while also knowing that you will be held accountable if you fail to keep up to the standard that it's expected together with the huge responsibility in your hand.

  • @theoriginaltoast420
    @theoriginaltoast420 7 місяців тому +55

    I am so here for the Hank Green Oath of Good Content Creation.

    • @tandava-089
      @tandava-089 Місяць тому

      Hank Green is a leftist, and he supports communists and post/trans-humanist 'progressives'.
      Not a guy to be taking morality tips from

  • @moogsonthemoon
    @moogsonthemoon 8 місяців тому +25

    Oh hey!! My professor did the same thing for my graduating class in the US. Our rings were made out of rebar from a faulty bridge. Ours were made to be pinky rings for your dominant hand so that every time you sign off on something the ring hits the contract and reminds you of your oath.

  • @2186kmr
    @2186kmr 2 місяці тому +1

    Hank would do a great job writing one!!!☝️

  • @johnmeyers1943
    @johnmeyers1943 7 місяців тому

    Hank green is one of my favorite day drinkers of all time.

  • @DavidPumpernickel
    @DavidPumpernickel 7 місяців тому +159

    After seeing HBomberGuy's new video, I think a content-creator-oath written by Hank Green is a fantastic idea

    • @bloozism
      @bloozism 7 місяців тому +1

      Except engineers are actually important

    • @landonsss8114
      @landonsss8114 7 місяців тому

      @@bloozism the largest source of independent video creators that has more sway than modern tv isnt important...

  • @sammerritt730
    @sammerritt730 7 місяців тому +37

    Rudyard Kipling also wrote the standard inscription on WW1 commonwealth war graves

    • @TheFuelInjected
      @TheFuelInjected 7 місяців тому +4

      He's also the reason that Medicine Hat didn't change its name to Gastown. He wrote a letter in opposition to the proposal that was published in the local newspapers and dissuaded residents from changing the name. He also was known for his fanous quote describing the area as "having all hell for a basement" in reference to the local gas fields, influencing local culture and later Big Sugars' song All Hell For a Basement.

  • @Sereniea
    @Sereniea 6 місяців тому

    Hank and John totally could write that oath and i think it would benefit society at a larger scale than most would actually think in the long term. It doesn't even have to be a huge ceremony requirement exclusivity thing, it could be very chill. More like a oath to yourself and community kinda vibe

  • @Swevill
    @Swevill 2 місяці тому

    We have a similar thing in the US! It’s called the order of the engineer. The difference is in the US it’s an obligation rather than an oath. I did mine and got my ring and I proudly wear it everyday!

  • @montgomerymontgomery
    @montgomerymontgomery 7 місяців тому +71

    Just to add, I’m pretty sure the point of the ring is that anytime you’re drafting the design of a project the ring drags across the paper to remind you of your responsibility

    • @caroline10081
      @caroline10081 7 місяців тому +1

      But everything is digital nowadays. Would be surprised to see paper in a modern office

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 місяців тому +2

      That’s why it’s worn on the little finger of your dominant hand.

    • @Dread_2137
      @Dread_2137 7 місяців тому +4

      @@caroline10081 the ability to draw technical drawings on paper is required anyway. My professor once planned an entire project on a piece of paper they gave him in a restaurant.
      You won't always have a laptop on hand, and sometimes projects are random bursts of inspiration.

    • @51gunner
      @51gunner 7 місяців тому +4

      @@caroline10081 Pretty much every senior engineer I've worked with has had:
      - Stacks of review copies of drawings from current project(s)
      - Printed out versions of various codes
      - Rolled up D-size prints of previous projects, gathering dust
      Plus various sketch pads, sticky notes, and so on.
      If there's a real paperless office out there, I've never seen it.

  • @fancifuldevices
    @fancifuldevices 7 місяців тому +17

    Avoiding professional jealousy is an awesome one to include

  • @professormancaptain4210
    @professormancaptain4210 7 місяців тому

    Such an ideally fitting comparison. Kipling has said and written some profoundly astounding things

  • @Yarkoonian
    @Yarkoonian 7 місяців тому

    Hymn to breaking strain is one of my favorite poems.

  • @Toverneger
    @Toverneger 8 місяців тому +37

    "In Canada" *Holds up maquette of bridge in London*

    • @SniperOnSunday
      @SniperOnSunday 7 місяців тому

      Not just a bridge in London, THE London Bridge

    • @Eliza-xd5ck
      @Eliza-xd5ck 7 місяців тому +5

      Nope, Tower Bridge

    • @Toverneger
      @Toverneger 7 місяців тому +1

      @@SniperOnSunday No, it's Tower Bridge, not London Bridge

    • @martindinner3621
      @martindinner3621 7 місяців тому

      ​@SniperOnSunday yeah, that's not London bridge.
      Also, London Bridge has been in Arizona since 1968. Lake Havasu to be specific.

    • @Toverneger
      @Toverneger 7 місяців тому

      @@martindinner3621 That's the fake London Bridge though. The real London Bridge is in London (shocking, I know)

  • @cononsberg6919
    @cononsberg6919 8 місяців тому +41

    Interesting to see this as I am currently going though my Engineering degree in Canada, meaning hopefully one day I'll be in that ceremony, swearing that oath, and wearing my iron ring too!

    • @Panzermeister36
      @Panzermeister36 7 місяців тому

      I graduated during COVID so I had a virtual ceremony, paid the free, and they never mailed me the ring. Fuckers.

    • @mincedpear
      @mincedpear 7 місяців тому +2

      Good luck with your university career!
      And the ceremony is pretty unique, especially being off limits to any non-ringed people (including guests), you certainly feel a sense of pride. The only funny part of the process is that you might have to give a mandatory “donation” for the ring 😂

  • @loganl7547
    @loganl7547 Місяць тому

    +1 for Hank Green writing a content creator ethics oath.

  • @harz632
    @harz632 9 днів тому

    In Germany another location we use is "where the pepper grows" in sentences like "Du kannst bleiben wo der Pfeffer wächst" "You can stay where the pepper grows" something you say when you dont want to see someone.
    And originally pepper grew in India and Sri Lanka

  • @coolbrotherf127
    @coolbrotherf127 7 місяців тому +39

    Having the Green Brothers write the content creators oath would be awesome.

  • @RussCucina
    @RussCucina 8 місяців тому +6

    Love your videos. A small correction on your item about doctors. White Coat Ceremonies are a newer tradition, are at the start of medical education years before you become a doctor, and don't involve an oath. The Hippocratic Oath or one of its modern descendants like the Yale Physicians' Oath is taken at the graduation ceremony, when you actually become a doctor. It also doesn't use the words "Do No Harm", although "nonmaleficence" is one of the pillars of medical ethics.

  • @whatsreal7506
    @whatsreal7506 6 місяців тому

    As an old engineer not from Canada: this is something that seems appropriate and cool.

  • @tru8637
    @tru8637 7 місяців тому

    "Upon Honour and Cold Iron, God helping me, I purpose to abide"
    That goes pretty hard

  • @OptimusPhillip
    @OptimusPhillip 7 місяців тому +331

    To clarify: we don't swear an oath in the United States, but there is a strict code of engineering ethics, and the first rule is to hold human life above all things.
    EDIT: For those asking, yes. The defense industry is generally not considered a violation of engineering ethics codes (there is actually more than one, every engineers' association has their own code). Individual interpretations of those codes may disagree, though. But when you build a car that consistently explodes during rear-end collisions, or launch a space shuttle when you should know it's too cold for the systems to work properly, people _will_ get on your case for neglecting your duty to preserve human life.

    • @CoryMck
      @CoryMck 7 місяців тому +24

      The code is as binding as a pinky swear. Lockheed Martin Still exists

    • @speerie736
      @speerie736 7 місяців тому +9

      *Procceds to build houses with cheap materials and inflated prices to enrich real estate companies.

    • @Dread_2137
      @Dread_2137 7 місяців тому +1

      Isn't that part already in like, you know, building regulations? Building code? Whatever you call it in english.

    • @dnsbrules_01
      @dnsbrules_01 7 місяців тому

      Robot engineering in a nutshell

    • @UserofYoutubeMobile
      @UserofYoutubeMobile 7 місяців тому

      ​@@speerie736 Exactly

  • @mr.pavone9719
    @mr.pavone9719 7 місяців тому +28

    Y'all need to ask Hank to write that agreement. UA-cam seriously needs it.

  • @polaristheprotoss6
    @polaristheprotoss6 7 місяців тому

    I heard about this while cashiering from a Quebecois engineer, and he showed me the imprint of where the ring would go, very cool stuff!

  • @ryanm7832
    @ryanm7832 7 місяців тому +7

    I love that he recognizes Hank, and I couldn't agree more with that choice of designer for a content creator's code of ethics.

  • @gmsp123
    @gmsp123 8 місяців тому +22

    Oh wow, I didn't think I'd see a short as it's released. And I'd love seeing that practice in every profession.

  • @ameknight8875
    @ameknight8875 7 місяців тому +5

    Ayyy glad to see a video about this! Graduated BCIT as an aerospace engineer about 4 years ago- While I'm not allowed to wear the ring to work, I do have it hanging on my rear view mirror and recite the oath any time I'm frustrated about work. The words "Integrity, Tolerance, Respect, Fair Dealing" are engraved into it thanks to my late father.

  • @m4rt_
    @m4rt_ 7 місяців тому

    getting Hank and John to do that would be amazing. They would be the best people for the job too.

  • @boonelockyer630
    @boonelockyer630 6 місяців тому

    There is also a Order of Engineers here in the US, it is closely linked to Canada's and the only major differences are that our rings are Stainless Steel and the Oath is not mandatory.
    I take great pride in my Oath

  • @azraelsblade
    @azraelsblade 7 місяців тому +4

    In Germany, doctors used to have to belong to fencing clubs and upon graduation would receive a ceremonial slash across their cheek called a Schmiß that would be the equivalent of the iron ring for engineers.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 місяців тому +2

      That was German academics in general, from what I’ve read.

  • @romxxii
    @romxxii 7 місяців тому +6

    It'll be "I promise not to become the main character of a 4 hour HBomberguy deepdive"

  • @DS-rd8ud
    @DS-rd8ud 7 місяців тому

    All the Engineering and Science fields should require this.

  • @Mineturtle1738
    @Mineturtle1738 2 місяці тому

    Fun fact an iron ring on someone’s dominate hand is a good way to tell if someone is an engineer. And this happens in some American schools as well.
    I’m currently studying Mech E and i learned that in my intro to engineering class.

  • @jonadams773
    @jonadams773 8 місяців тому +39

    We need these oaths at alot of jobs and people willing to uphpld them❤

  • @Rat_64
    @Rat_64 8 місяців тому +77

    Okay yeah no please ask Hank to write an oath, it’d be really funny and you know he’d do it or give us a really fun fact about oaths

    • @safaiaryu12
      @safaiaryu12 8 місяців тому +1

      Probably both!

    • @duckymomo7935
      @duckymomo7935 7 місяців тому

      He’s not qualified for that

    • @Rat_64
      @Rat_64 7 місяців тому

      @@duckymomo7935 who is qualified?

  • @LeakyTrees
    @LeakyTrees 2 місяці тому

    Someone contact Hank, this is a golden idea

  • @Segen_Bell
    @Segen_Bell 7 місяців тому

    That's a good idea. John is also a writer and we can have the two of them write an oath for so many other fields aswell.

  • @truckerdave8465
    @truckerdave8465 7 місяців тому +5

    I wish I could ask my dad about this. He worked in both the US and Canada. He passed in March. This is interesting to learn!

  • @thomasdye6424
    @thomasdye6424 8 місяців тому +4

    Kipling was a big fan of engineers. Many of his works deal with building and design. I can see why he was asked to write the oath.

  • @Excel-erate-
    @Excel-erate- 2 місяці тому +1

    "I promise to do no harm, but to cause many inconveniences to those who have to repair my machines"

  • @mineduck3050
    @mineduck3050 7 місяців тому

    The honor involved in the white coat ceromony, although now corrupted by industry, is a tear inducing symbol of humanitys potential greatness.

  • @molf9a
    @molf9a 8 місяців тому +49

    Can we please make this happen?

  • @dsalazarm
    @dsalazarm 8 місяців тому +39

    he has tried to unionize the UA-camrs like 3 times

  • @grawlixTV
    @grawlixTV 7 місяців тому

    A) Hank totally would
    B) I think one of the most interesting things I’ve heard about the enginee-rings is that they’re put on your dominant hand so that they always clink against stuff you grab and they’re designed to be a liiiittle uncomfortable so that you always have the oath on your mind, NOW, that might not actually be true, it’s, like, third hand knowledge but it sounds rad lol

  • @enraikow6109
    @enraikow6109 7 днів тому +1

    There actually is a concrete method / ritual to safeguard engineers from doing harm or general incompetence in places outside of Canada where the oath is not a ritual. This thing is quite universal and rightfully so as it has worked almost all the time where the cases when it doesn't is really the fault of human nature.
    It's called money and getting paid.
    If the engineers didn't do well enough, they're not going to eat enough.
    If they are incompetent, no one is going to hire them.
    This is why countless amounts of engineering projects may succeed outside of Canada.
    Just like Doctors, the oath doesn't really mean anything to those who's nature forbids themselves to have it mean anything.

  • @conormckenna7796
    @conormckenna7796 8 місяців тому +15

    Imagine you tske this oath then immediately go work for raytheon

    • @_magnify
      @_magnify  8 місяців тому +4

      😅

    • @digitaljanus
      @digitaljanus 8 місяців тому +3

      "The missiles go up. Where they come down, that's not my department."
      -Tom Lehrer, "Werner Von Braun"

    • @ambercolie1200
      @ambercolie1200 7 місяців тому

      Raytheon oath: "I solemnly swear to not blow up the customer."

    • @homieinthesky8919
      @homieinthesky8919 7 місяців тому

      The oath doesnt prohibit working in weapons or defense

    • @deerhawk7788
      @deerhawk7788 7 місяців тому +1

      The oath is about the things you design not failing from cut corners or you doing things against the law for a customer. Nothing in it prohibits working in weapon producing companies.

  • @colinharter4094
    @colinharter4094 7 місяців тому +22

    I've never seen a more astounding case of "it was a different era" than asking Rudyard Kipling to write a pledge of ethics.

  • @Sam-mh4mc
    @Sam-mh4mc 29 днів тому

    This is absolutely necessary 🙏 engineers are so overlooked coz there are so many who choose that path and go jobless but it’s so important to value them. Every profession Infact

  • @LoLo1k2k3k
    @LoLo1k2k3k 7 місяців тому

    I learned about this in my business ethics class this semester!! Never thought I’d hear about it again so soon lmao

  • @tigerkitten8352
    @tigerkitten8352 7 місяців тому +7

    I think Hank and John would write the best ethical content creation oath.

  • @A_Person9228
    @A_Person9228 7 місяців тому +4

    The Canadian rings are made of collapsed bridges and everyone jokes that they’re the most expensive rings you’ll ever see because you have to go to university for 4+ years to get one

    • @derkaderkajihadderka
      @derkaderkajihadderka 7 місяців тому

      I once explained the ring and that joke to a business student and they immediately said "so if I sell them at half cost I can make a fortune?". Half way through my degree I did not find that funny haha

  • @Colonelmustang11
    @Colonelmustang11 7 місяців тому

    This also in America it’s called the order of the engineer, My college only required it for Mechanical and Mecatronic Engineers, although I didn’t go to the civil graduation ceremony so maybe they do as well. We wear stainless steel ring on the pinky of the working hand. If a surgeon messes up 1 person dies if an engineer messes up and the plan crashes 600 people could die. If you have any questions let me know.

  • @Captaincombine
    @Captaincombine 7 місяців тому

    I’m from Canada and my physics teacher in school wore this ring, he initially studied engineering and then physics later.

  • @sethbigboy324
    @sethbigboy324 7 місяців тому +10

    How are we supposed to hire lockheed martin engineers if they have to abide by an ethical oath?

    • @ambercolie1200
      @ambercolie1200 7 місяців тому

      They subcontract.

    • @deerhawk7788
      @deerhawk7788 7 місяців тому

      The oath is not for working only in "ethical" engineering fields but in any engineering position to not cut corners, break laws for a customer or company, or fail to design to code.

    • @sethbigboy324
      @sethbigboy324 7 місяців тому

      @@deerhawk7788 🤓

  • @Lockmart556
    @Lockmart556 8 місяців тому +5

    I sold my moral compass to work at Lockheed Martin for 90k a year

  • @tyreecefranklin3288
    @tyreecefranklin3288 23 дні тому

    That’s only if you are member of a society called the Order of the Engineer, Ive heard that a lot of Canadian schools require it and in Canada, the rings are actually made from Iron from the Quebec bridge. In the US, few schools even discuss it. I was lucky enough to have a professor who was a member of the order so most of our class joined. Also in the US, the ring is stainless steel or titanium if you have sensitive skin

  • @juliar.9811
    @juliar.9811 7 місяців тому

    In the states it’s optional but a lot of people still take the oath. The original rings were made from the stainless steel of the collapsed bridge. If you have the ring in Canada you can also get free drinks in most bars!

  • @smol-one
    @smol-one 8 місяців тому +7

    Honestly, that would be an exceedingly Hank Green thing to do. To the point, that I'm surprised he hasnt done it already.

  • @josiefortune2688
    @josiefortune2688 7 місяців тому +4

    I'm in America. My college does this too. In fact, a lot of our engineering classes have constant reminders of how to use this knowledge in an ethical manner. Even my freshman classes they told us not to continue if we only care about the money.

    • @Dread_2137
      @Dread_2137 7 місяців тому +1

      I'm surprised that you have to be reminded of this, in Europe we simply follow the construction law/building regulations/building code (whatever you call it in english).

    • @koiledPythonRain
      @koiledPythonRain 7 місяців тому

      ​@@Dread_2137This. It is weird that there is an oath. Just follow safety regulations?

  • @zach7821
    @zach7821 7 місяців тому

    Honestly having hank green make an ethical oath for content creators is a good idea and i would trust it from him

  • @wildflashback1979
    @wildflashback1979 5 місяців тому

    My uncles an engineer in Toronto. Still wars his ring. It’s easy to forget just how much trust we put in engineers daily

  • @gabagool...not_italian...
    @gabagool...not_italian... 7 місяців тому +6

    And then they see the paycheck from Raytheon and throw out the ring XD

    • @deerhawk7788
      @deerhawk7788 7 місяців тому +1

      Nothing in the oath prohibits making weapons as long as they make them safely for users and don't cut corners

  • @hellfiregaming9401
    @hellfiregaming9401 9 днів тому +1

    As someone in the US who us considering going into engineering, I will be fully taking advantage of not being bound to an oath, and will be many robots to take over the world

  • @jacobbaer785
    @jacobbaer785 7 місяців тому +1

    While that sort of "secret ceremony" for engineers doesn't really exist in the us;
    When getting their Professional Licence, engineers are required to agree to and understand a detailed Code of Ethics. Also the comprehensive exam that is part of the process includes a section on Ethics.

  • @sambauer7138
    @sambauer7138 8 днів тому

    @hankschannel you absolutely need to get on this

  • @iceeee1245
    @iceeee1245 7 місяців тому

    John is like the BEST person to do that

  • @extremejanal6446
    @extremejanal6446 6 місяців тому

    IT and technology needs something like this.

  • @TrainMaster04
    @TrainMaster04 26 днів тому

    As a Mechanical Engineering student at Texas Tech I actually have some input on this. Engineers do have codes of ethics that are required to be followed in order for each engineer to be accepted into their respective field. However, each engineering department is different. For instance, ME has a fairly large code of ethics whereas the Chemical Engineers have a broad and small code of ethics. We may not make a big deal about our code of ethics but we do have them.

  • @clapclapscream
    @clapclapscream 7 місяців тому

    You make a good point, we need a ethical code for content creators