It's like the writers have no idea how to handle race and racism. They don't bother properly writing the faunus because they assume that "They were oppressed" automatically makes them good characters. Not that we were even given the idea that there was oppression in the first place, outside of a history lecture.
I think I get it. It's not about putting characters on there that you hate. It's putting characters on there that are legitimately poorly written. You definitely like Ruby and Blake more than Jacques. But, you can't exactly say he is poorly written. He does a pretty good job of being what he's written to be. An unlikable rich asshole.
I think everyone did. It actually benefited all parties involved. She was tolerable and actually gave the character something that is desperately needed, humility, an actual human trait. Only to have her revert back into the same character she was in vol 3 and go through the same arc she had back then, plan, get too big for her britches, kill someone, then fail.
Mister.Scary I never understand the silly hate for Cinder in Volume 1-3. She's okay. Now in volume 5 is bad, bad, bad plot. At least in 6 they are doing the thing for volume 4 but best. But you get my point, why Cinder is bad in 1-3 and 4? She is only really bad in 5. ;-;
She should’ve aimed it at knocked out Ruby then. Then Weiss could block it with her body and boom you can still develop Jaune and make Cinder motives make sense
Three of the five on this list suffer from the same issue, their menace can be felt and they do make heavy impressions, but their motivations, past and their most recent actions cloud so much of what they've done that it's hard to balance things in the good for them. It's issues that has unevened the overall reception and while there is still room for things to change, it's a shame characters with decent to worthwhile introductions and presence has lost some of that luster in recent years. At least Blake has shown that characters that have fallen can rise up if given the right focus, story, growth and effort.
@ThatKaitoDan RWBY succeeds in creating mystery and intrigue, but fails to deliver on it with answers. Most of these answers are disappointingly disproportionate to the mystery of these characters' motivations or just more M Y S T E R Y . RWBY villains especially, look at Cinder. Just about 6 volumes in and we 1) still don't have a backstory/ motivation 2) No character development for her and 3) The narrative stakes weren't even raised after her tense confrontation with Pyrrha in v3 (Jaune facing Cinder was the dumbest thing in v5). All she is is M Y S T E R Y. She's supposed to leave an impact but she doesn't even compare to how she was back in v3 because at least in that she took down Beacon and Oz before getting rekted by Ruby.
Maybe red like roses 2 but not this life is mine. I'm not entirely sure why i don't like that song very much but I also don't know why every one seems to like that song either. Maybe it played during a forgettable moment?
Leo's fate: He has to hear that terrible line on loop until he dies. "Salem only uses people until they are no longer useful." Leo: PLEASE, MAKE IT STOP!!!!
Seriously, there are so many less awkward ways to word that. For example: "Salem keeps servants who are useful and discards those who are not." It wouldn't be a great line, but still.
theamazingmaymay123 I’d say only 3 Adam ospin and yang 1 Adam = Kyle ren in v 5 2 ospin no answers just more questions and a sense of paranoia from him taking over Oscar 3 yang I feel like yang being so but hurt about Blake is meaningless less if there’s no drama in the reunion and ruins yang because they took most of her puns and can su attitude wich I loved and made her my favorite character
Rokkfel How did Jaune grow? All he did was stupidly attack Cinder which should’ve ended badly for him and when Weiss was stabbed he saved her with his deus ex machina semblance. Jaune didn’t grow at all in Volume 5 and honestly how they treated him in the end made me hate his character more than like it because they derailed Cinder’s whole revenge plot against Ruby to pretend Jaune is the main character here screwing Ruby out of actually having meaningful focus and interaction.
@@tdfern1 generic as in a lot of their personalities are extremely cookie cutter lazy archetypes. Ice queen who warms up? Dark brooding emo loner with a mysterious past? Naive young idealist who sees the world in black and white and only cares about stopping the bad guys? These are 90% of what you need to know about the personalities of RWB and yet those are barely outlines of a personality. There's more fleshed out isekai harem characters.
When someone asked Monty's wife, which character she relates to the most she answered with Cinder. I think she described Cinder as Benevolent. Clearly Monty had created a backstory for her. If only the current writers had any idea of what to with what Monty left them maybe Cinder would have turned into a very interesting character.
I think one of the fired RWBY employees said that Monty had a book with everything he wanted in the show, but Miles and Kerry never used it. And when he said something, he was fired. That might not be true, but I heard it from someone.
RWBY should have longer seasons or longer episodes. A lot of RWBY's problems seem related to stuff cut for time so they should solve that. I doubt it would happen, but if cinder survived I'd actually love to see her story go similar to Scar's from Full metal alchemist brotherhood.
Salem I am pretty sure has a reason. She isnt like a bland villain either. She has personality. Adam is growing on me. Cinder only has a little bit originality. Fuck her.
@@shahzarfr She has a reason.. but we've known about her for at least 2 Volumes and we don't even know what her powers are. She just let's her henchmen do all the work and we don't even know what her motives are other than destroying the world or something generic like that.
Cinder could have had her moment of being a rival and enemy of team RWBY at the academy. Ruby could have taken more of an interest in Cinder and wanted to be her friend while Cinder could have taken interest in Ruby as a potential pawn or convert to her cause. A few episodes could have been dedicated to allowing this friendship to blossom into the poisonous rose it could have been making the assault against Beacon academy that much more devastating for Ruby knowing that a close friend was responsible for the attack. It would have made Ruby's attack against Cinder that much more devastating too knowing that Ruby, whom she was trying to groom into one of her subjects, was the one who hurt her so. Tell me that wouldn't have made their story THAT much more personal and vicious.
Yeah you think Cinder already Knew about Sliver Eyed Warriors that Salem happended To forget to tell Cinder about.. We all Know Salem lied to cinder. Because The Sliver eyes are only Anti Grimm.. They do not take out Maidens.
Eh, to be fair the silver eyes DID hurt cinder. I’d ASSUME so anyway seeing as she was so injured she could barely speak after her encounter with ruby, and I highly doubt ruby was did that all by hersel.... fuck it, I don’t even think the writers know what the silver eyes do!
In my opinion: Best 1. Emerald's 2. Weiss' 3. Neo's 4. Adam's 5. Pyrrha's Worst: 1. Sun's 2. Yang's 3. Ruby's (IT'S SUPER SPEED, NOT FLYING!) 4. Jaune's 5. Maria Calavera's Don't get me wrong, i LOVE RWBY but theres some stuff i dislike ;-;
12:15-12:30 LOLOLOL That whole scene with Jaune shouting at Cinder during the Battle of Haven is some of the best unintentional comedy ever. It's Miles' "teenage boy in the middle of his voice cracking" voice that just kills this moment of Jaune's rage. It makes him sound like he's some pathetic high school nerd crying after Cinder "Mean Girl" Fall stood him up on a date, instead of being face-to-face with the murderer who killed his partner.
Me personally Hazel deserves a spot as well his motivation for wanting to take down Ozpin is completely weak and hypocritical to the point that whenever he appeared on screen I'd cringe with the exception of when Weiss stabbed him and Blake kicked him I just find it ridiculous that his solution of avenging his belated sister is to work for the leader of what probably killed her plus him calling Ozpin a monster and blaming everyone's death on him despite the fact that he was the one that tried to kill Oscar and Nora and being so blindsided to that just irritates me I understand why he's mad at Ozpin but like Oscar said she made her choice and for Hazel to say that he chose death and try to kill him just shows how ignorant he is I'd honestly feel nothing for him if he died Love your list by the way and I love how Cinder's the thumbnail
God... Hazel was such a cool character before the ending of Volume 5, but they wrecked him just like Cinder. Here's this guy that we know is a bad guy, but he seems to have some degree of honor and isn't just flat out evil like the rest of the crew, plus he has some background with Ozpin... what could be his deal? Oh, his sister is dead, he says Ozpin killed her! Oh, wait... nevermind, she died on a training exercise at Beacon, clearly the headmaster killed her *insert giant eye roll*.
Thomas McCarthy-jones You know Hazel hating Ozpin for “killing” his sister but working for child murderers would’ve worked if he was just a guy who didn’t care or thought about anyone else and is just consumed by his grief and rage to the point he’s willing to kill anyone to get to Ozpin, if they had gone that route then it would’ve come across much better in my opinion, he’s a hypocrite but he just doesn’t care and want to kill Ozpin, instead they don’t acknowledge the hypocrisy at all which leads to him feeling very weak as a character.
or cut her eyes out? You know to make sure she couldn't use the silver eyes powers on her again. But clearly the silver eyes are going to be a desu ex machina for the show so we can't have that.
Honesty, Cinder was one of my favorite characters in the show. I didn't care that she just wanted power and to be feared, she was a very entertaining character to watch in both V2 and 3, whether she was plotting in the shadows or showing off her fighting prowess. Everything I loved about a villain and more. But then Volume 5 happened and turned her into a goddamn joke. Seriously, fuck that volume.
Actually, we do know a bit more about her and I liked how it was hinted: We can assume that she's in her early 20s (personality and the fact that she still blended in, despite being older), that she came from a wealthy house, was well trained in many disciplines, but then hit rock bottom. She's thus able to move both in high society and amongst thieves without feeling uncomfortable. We can also assume that something traumatic must have happened that she's rather be the villain in her own story than victim ever again. Lastly, she does seem to have an aversion against men. She also has a strong animosity towards Atlas and how she said, she was right about you could mean many things, but implies that she and Salem dislike Ozpin for similar reasons. We know all this just from a few sentences and scenes that amount to 20s at most. That's pretty impressive, actually.
I don't read fanfiction and all I've stated is pretty much what I can see from her actions. I can do my best to explain any of my assumptions, if you like.
Come to think of it, with the "Who are you again?" scene, did Cinder and Jaun even interact before then, apart from maybe briefly seeing eachother? Seems like a very legitimate question for her to be asking.
A well articulate person with good and constructive criticism ? Who says that Granny in the trailer is a queen and makes a "My man" joke with Cinder and Raven ? I stan. Followed, subscribed, a fan.
The thing about most of RWBY's characters is that they are all interesting from the moment they're introduced... but then the more time that's spent on them the worse they get. All of these characters could have been great but the writers didn't seem to have any plans for them, at least not long term. When you write a character you absolutely have to have their motivations, their story arcs, and their backstories all in mind before you even introduce them, even if the audience doesn't know any of that stuff from the start. Cinder should have died at the end of volume 3 IMO, her character was never good but what they ended up doing with her only to seemingly kill her off at the end of Volume 5 just makes her presence in Volumes 4 and 5 seem meaningless, she even got some "development" in Volume 4 and then she reset to the one dimensional bitch that she was in the first 3 volumes. Long rant over but I love this show but all of these characters are the definition of wasted potential.
I literally just thought of a way for the 8 or so White Fang members with at Adam at Haven work. MAKE THEM ELITE ASSASSINS!!! That would make so much more sense than just random foot soldiers. They could be like the League of Assassins of the White Fang. Just imagine them silently taking down the Mistral Police Force. That would have been so cool and intimidating.
Honestly, I thought Rey and Kylo were better characters in Last Jedi than in Force Awakens. Not saying the movie isn't flawed. But, it definitely succeeded in making me care about the protagonist and antagonist.
I hate hating the show. While I’m watching episodes in the moment I really don’t pay attention to any mistakes, or bad writing, it’s usually when I rewatch episodes and realize how shitty they are, or watching videos like yours. I don’t hate any of the characters, not the heroes, or villains, I love all their concepts, designs (not Adam’s) but when they’re badly written like they are, it’s.. hard to tolerate them, as much as I want to love them. Now whether they’re badly written or not depends. Take Jacque for example. He isn’t badly written because his character is written on how it’s supposed to be. He’s supposed to be a snarky rich asshole, and he is. Bad writing is them trying to give Ruby character development to make her seem more mature when, like you said, she still hasn’t changed from volume one. Not much, anyways.
Personally Ruby Rose is still one of my favorite characters. I've always loved her optimism and cute happy self. i honestly have to disagree with people who say she has had little to no character development. Watching Volume 1 and 2 Rwby, she seems like such a different person. She's still happy and optimistic, but I am seriously questioning her sanity. There are moments where she looks dangerously close to snapping or breaking down, but she's been staying strong for everyone else. She's always looking out for everyone like a good leader should, but no one ever asks if she's okay. Ruby is carrying a lot of emotional baggage on her shoulders. She watched two friends die in front of her, she was the one who arrived too late. Her team coming back together might help a bit, but I still feel meeting Salem could finally set off all that emotion she's been carrying. That might be what RoosterTeeth are going for.
No she's literally a basic and boring bitch. She's worse than Kairi from Kingdom Hearts. In fact the only people who tend to really love her are guys like you.. who write like 7 paragraphs about shit that doesn't really matter lol.
See I agree with you but like the character development still isn’t there, I think the only moment thst made me think that was when she was talking to Oscar and it almost looked like she was either in denial or trying to like stay sane
@@christianguerrero70 Shit that doesn't matter, to whom exactly? Just because you don't see Ruby's development doesn't mean it doesn't exist. She literally feels like a completely different character when she first started. If you remember, she started out not wanting anything to do with friends. Now she has four friends who she would die for in a heartbeat. If that doesn't count as character development to you, then what is? I ask you what to you, would count as character development to you?
@@Wildnose1337 That's your defense?.. her trait that was nipped by episode like 4?.. anything else?.. the only difference is her dumb voice and her knowledge of the plot😂😂😂.
This is before Unicorn of War had his character regression Arc post v6. back when he acknowledged the writing issues and character contradictions with Adams character and didn't excuse at all on: "You see abusers irl"---
Adam should've been written as Blake's mentor not some psychopath loser of an ex-boyfriend. He should've focus on attacking humans for Faunx kind. But the writer REALLY fucked him over so badly that it's not even funny. x.x Adam did not deserve this.
If I were to make my list id replace home with Bad Luck Charm and swap it with Red Like Roses 2. I really enjoy all of the RWBY music but home just seems a bit boring for me. I like slow songs too but Home in particular just doesn't sound amazing to me.
You know, maybe it's just me being a Devil May Cry fan, but to me it looks like RWBY tried three different times to give us a character reminiscent of Vergil from that series. We got Adam who kinda looks like Vergil, Cinder who kinda has his obsession with power, and Raven who kinda has the same family issues as him.
I love a great villains,. Adam was set up as great, badass and mysterious one. He has such a great hero/villain dynamic with Blake. However, I agree with your assessment. UGH! The writers really did him dirty. >< PS: Cinder is totally pointless BTW
I feel like killing Leo was a mistake. If they weren't going to give his death any serious ramifications, they could have just left him alive and let him be just as irrelevant as everyone else that isn't a regular.
Mine would be (Haven’t finished Vol. 6 btw) 5. The Dock fight (Vol. 1) 4. Yang v Mercury (Vol. 3) 3. Pyrrha v Cinder (Vol. 3) 2. Ruby v Neo and Torchwick (Vol. 3) 1. Qrow v Tyrion (Vol. 4) Raven v Cinder was pretty cool to watch even if the Haven battle as a whole was really dumb. Oh and Players and Pieces was an awesome battle even if I wouldn’t consider it a fight scene.
Thanks for having placed Raven and Adam on the list. Raven she's really boring, overpowered without development and kinda optionnal to the story. And Adam is probably the worst disapointment in the entire show. You forgot Qrow. Really share the qualities of her sister (as a less dramatic level)
I would honestly not say that volumes 4-5 blake was good. Her character suddenly did a full 180 and she was insulting and slapping sun around for no reason. She was pretty much just whining and sitting on her ass the whole time
I dont really have an issue with Blake and how shes been handled throughout the show. People misjudge her as a complete loner, but really its more just trust issues, for obviously understandable reasons now. She may have been serious, but she was never opposed to a bit of fun and Ruby as a leader is bound to bring some lighthearted fun out of any stick-in-the-mud, so the couple bits in V1/2 were fine. She grew more comfortable with her friends and therefore more confident, but after the fall of Beacon and Adam dismembering Yang, she was obviously and naturally going to regress on her old ways as she blamed herself. Back home however, between her parents consoling her and Sun's commentary on trusting her friends, Blake got out of her funk and they banded together to help save Mistral. I dont necessarily think shes the best in the show, but certainly not the worst. Frankly, I would have dedicated a spot for Hazel. Once again, an intriguing mysterious character all but ruined in execution once we found out how goddamned hypocritical he is
+Fireheart47 Its not really about misjudgement. She is not liked because she is a bitch, she is badly written and an unlikeable character at all. When we did not know about her much in Volumes 1-3, she was good, a down to earth character that knows about the darker side of fighting. She overgoes an arc for her personality and improves as a person. And then its all fucked up. She becomes abusive to her friends, selfish to the highest degree while pretending that SHE is the victim and some sort of saviour for what she did. That is without mentioning the reveal that she is basically a fucking princess yet complains about how bad things are. From a mysterious grounded character with issues, she turns into a whiny self-centered bitch whose complaints dont make sense and end up in her starting to generalize and manipulate people for her own ends (Something she is supposed to abhor!). Hazel has not been seen enough. Yea, hes bad, but Blake is worse, especially with the time that was given to her. She is one of the worst written characters in the show, even Ruby being underwritten is better than her.
+Fireheart47 Because i disagreed with you i am not going to change my mind? People have changed my mind before you know. What you are doing now is making an excuse to not respond properly because you cant.
Andrius Butikis No I’d be happy to, but going on a curse filled tirade shows your pretty set in your opinion, which is fine, but I disagree. For one, Blake is no princess, she’s the daughter of a civil rights leader. MLKs kids were not prince/princesses of black people. Ghira lived on the move while leading the White Fang, under attack by racist humans like we saw in the Adam short. They did not live a life of luxury until Ghira stepped down and settled as Menageries chieftain, aka when Blake left her family because she viewed them as cowardly. *She never had that life*.
+Fireheart47 Ghira is the leader of Menagerie. He is leading an entire state. While he was a civil rights leader he was also a leader of what can be considered a city state. Also, we do not know if Ghira lived on the move or not. We saw only one scene of them moving (May i remind you that they already wore Grimm masks and carried assault rifles too?) and get attacked. It is not an indication if this always happening. Not to mention that this only one part of this entire thing.
If you see it as a future video, how about a list of some characters you would like to see more of. I love your videos. You know how to prove a point and be funny at the same time. Can't wait for the next one!
I feel if they actually address Cinder’s past I think she’d be a less terrible villain. My head canon is that it like Cinderella story, with Salem being her fairy godmother.
I agree with most of your points... however, I do have a thing to point out. The world of RWBY created a world where the main four are only the main characters because they just so happen to be in the right place at the right time more often than most and will most likely continue to do so since they are in so deep. That being said, I’m not sure if the villain having specific attachments to the main cast is necessary. I feel like the point was that Pyrrha died for nothing. She wasn’t important and didn’t contribute. She wanted to be this destined hero, but died only achieving this sense of being a martyr and motivation for the RWBY and JNPR team, Jaune particularly. Sure, it would have been nice for RWBY to fight Cinder. A satisfying fight that would make sense, since she became the main threat after volume 1 until volume 4. However, there was no real narrative reason for Cinder to care about Team RWBY specifically except for Ruby herself. Of course that could set up the team fighting to protect RWBY, but Cinder beat a maiden without having maiden powers and then Ozpin with Maiden powers. The fight would have had to have been forced due to the differences in power levels. It is because of these obvious differences in destructive power that completely separates them. They don’t have the most reliable way to level up, considering they are always traveling and fighting Grimm in an uncontrolled environment like one of the official schools who managed to produce the ridiculous team CFVY in a year. At least I think they were a year above. They have been learning new tricks and skills, but Ruby’s speed hardly matters against the likes of Winter, Qrow, Tyrian, and many other far more experienced fighters. Even Emerald and Mercury are in an environment where they can be taught and honed by one of the world’s most dangerous people. Now that they have Ozpin, it will be far easier, but they weren’t ready in volume 5.
I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense. Of RWBY and JNPR, the most skilled fighter was obviously Pyrrah, and Cinder killed her. And she'd have only gotten stronger after further training from Salem and acclimating to her powers. Therefore, she was stopped not by the main cast, which would have probably been much worse for the story, having to explain such a large power increase, but a third party that was just another version of her, just with several more years worth of experience. Then, since there's obviously no way for the main cast to beat said third party through power, she's defeated through words and ideologies. In the end, regardless of the quality of the storytelling, I think this was the only logical end to this arc based on Cinder's power level. Pre-maiden Cinder vs Pyrrah, I feel, would be pretty much even based on their fight.
If this is ranked in power and only antagonists, I really don’t know what to say. The wiki also says that Cinder was from a life when she had nothing and was powerless. Makes sense that she would crave power. Unless the wiki is lying to me. She also had some developments in V6, so I don’t really see why people are hating her so much anyways. I hence rest my case lmao..
Since Volume 7 ended, ever thought about going back to this video and comparing it to your current thoughts on the characters? Kind of like a self commentary.
Even though I don't think Blake should be on this list, I'm _so_ glad Jaune isn't. You've been giving him and any scene or story arc centered on him a _lot_ of shit, so I was expecting to see him at #1 or #2. Glad I was wrong.
@DarkSonic180 Sooo, Jaune, the hilarious comic relief who then gets deconstructed and humanized and ultimately defeats his comic relief status to then play a role in some of the series' most emotional scenes should be on the list? Got it.
@DarkSonic180 You being annoyed at him getting too much screentime does not make him a bad character. I agree that Ruby barely had any development, but that doesn't make _Jaune_ a bad character, it makes _her_ a bad character!
@DarkSonic180 ...That's not what a bad character is. It might be a problem in the writing (even though I think giving Jaune focus and Ruby development were by no means mutually exclusive), but it does not make Jaune a bad character.
DarkSonic180 That doesn't make the least bit of sense. You resenting Jaune for getting more screentime than Ruby doesn't make him a bad character; at the very most it makes _Ruby_ a bad character because _she's_ the one who gets less screentime.
Volume 5 Blake really rubbed me the wrong way. Her speech telling her fellow Faunus that they're bad for wanting to revolt against the oppressors reminded me of some priviledged lib telling BLM protestors to tone it down a little.
Would you be willing to do a top 5 favorite and least favorite characters video? I’m just curious which characters you like the most and are excited to see develop
She's definitely not the best but I wouldn't call Cinder the worst character. Better to wait until her backstory is revealed before we can make that judgement or more scenes of her operating on her own. Same with Ruby and Salem...well we have backstory on Salem now anyway.
Ruby and Blake are actually two of my favorite characters; Blake because I actually think she’s really cool, and Ruby because, well, she’s really fun. Couldn’t agree more about Adam and Cinder though (My two most hated characters in the series).
11:06 I'm going to say this is because Miles wants the show to be JWBY. Seriously. Cinder never met Jaune aside from him running in the relic area, and they then have Cinder attack Weiss, Fking WEISS, instead of RUBY, THE GIRL SHE HAS A VENDETTA AGAINST WHO IS KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS RIGHT NEXT TO HER! Though, Cinder could've just been doing as Watts said.
yep almost everyone could see this list line up coming. I'm surprised you didn't bring up Hazel in the dishonorable mentions or on the list. I felt like in Volume 5 they fucked whatever build up they had in Volume 4 so having him on this list would be more fitting to at least be place on the dishonorable list. But yeah everyone else has a reason to be on this list though I can say for a lot of the characters that is more on the writers not knowing how to write characters than the actual characters themselves. Maybe these characters will get better now that Miles and Kerry are actually being forced to try but considering the shows track record I'm not going to hold my breath. Volume 6 trailer looks good but then again a trailer and the actual Volume can go in very different directions.
I think Leo could’ve been interesting and if he was written as a double agent and we saw him constantly struggling and flipping sides because he doesn’t want to betray his friends but doesn’t have the guts to stand up to Salem.
Don’t know if you knew this or not but this entire month there has been a RWBY Song Tournament hosted by RT Radio on Twitter where all RWBY songs go head to head. They’re now in the final four with them being This Will be the Day, I Burn, Red Like Roses Part 2, and This Life is Mine. I’m satisfied with this but a lot of good songs got kicked out far to early like Sacrifice.
i really really dislike blake, she had a gooood chance with sun, but nope, bumblebee am i right guys? smh smh, i don't wanna look at sun's face when the team goes to Vacuo to and he sees blake and yang kissing or smth
Honestly expected Jaune and Whitley to at least have honorable mentions. Not that I dislike Jaune or anything, but I know he isn't the favorite of very many people. I was also expecting Jacques and Team CRDL to be on the top 5. But, I guess it's all about how they are written. And Jacques and CRDL are written in the way they are supposed to be, a rich asshole and 1 dimensional bullies. They do that job pretty well.
I think it would be interesting if Thomas made a new list now that some of these characters seem to be making steps in the right direction. (Blake, Adam, and even Cinder according to his Vol. 7 review.)
So here is how I was thinking this video would go: >Be me >Fan of Jaune. I recognise his faults and hope he improves (both in the story and his character writing). >Everyone else intensely dislikes him, he ain’t everyone’s cup of tea, I can recognise that. >Have to hear all the time how “bad”he is. >See video >Expect to see him at the number 1 spot >pls no. >Wasn’t on the list >Be me now, Just shook as fuck In all seriousness though a very well thought out and reasoned list, great video! Keep it up! P.s I can’t help but laugh and cry during Jaune’s rant at Cinder, sue me it’s both sad and hilarious when she smacks him down
Haven’t started the video yet but I’m assuming that all the bad characters in this list are all the villains and side characters since that’s on every list in “bad/worst characters in RWBY”
0/5 Faunus in the best characters video
3/5 Faunus in the worst characters video
DiScRiMiNaTiOn
REEEEEEE!!!
Banned for racism
This might actally be the most we might see of *"fAuNUs dIScRimiNAtiOna"* in anything rwby related.
It's like the writers have no idea how to handle race and racism. They don't bother properly writing the faunus because they assume that "They were oppressed" automatically makes them good characters. Not that we were even given the idea that there was oppression in the first place, outside of a history lecture.
Sad isn't it :'(
I think I get it. It's not about putting characters on there that you hate. It's putting characters on there that are legitimately poorly written. You definitely like Ruby and Blake more than Jacques. But, you can't exactly say he is poorly written. He does a pretty good job of being what he's written to be. An unlikable rich asshole.
Yeah, exactly
Jaques as Weiss is escaping:
*"MOOOST UNOOORTHODOOOOOOOOOOX!!!"*
Is that a Nostalgia Critic reference?
@@thebeavpercabethftw9604
"Of course!"
I think I know what you're referencing. Did you like his Alice in Wonderland or Through the Looking Glass review better?
I liked Cinder better when she couldn't speak.
Lol
I think everyone did. It actually benefited all parties involved. She was tolerable and actually gave the character something that is desperately needed, humility, an actual human trait. Only to have her revert back into the same character she was in vol 3 and go through the same arc she had back then, plan, get too big for her britches, kill someone, then fail.
That one burns like...cinders
Mister.Scary
I never understand the silly hate for Cinder in Volume 1-3. She's okay. Now in volume 5 is bad, bad, bad plot. At least in 6 they are doing the thing for volume 4 but best.
But you get my point, why Cinder is bad in 1-3 and 4? She is only really bad in 5. ;-;
Cinder never got any real development and we still have explanation as to why she wants power
Cinder: I WANT REVENGE! "looks at Ruby Attacks Weiss, gets rekt by Raven" Some revenge Cinder
HEY! She has one eye!
I mean, you try to aim a fiery spear of death after losing depth perception 🤣😅
She might get another arm? I’m just guessing
She should’ve aimed it at knocked out Ruby then. Then Weiss could block it with her body and boom you can still develop Jaune and make Cinder motives make sense
Morgan Ritchie Yes but the whole reason Cinder changed The plan Salem laid out was for her revenge against Ruby... who she ignored completely...
The reason why she attacked Weiss was only because her aura was broken.
Three of the five on this list suffer from the same issue, their menace can be felt and they do make heavy impressions, but their motivations, past and their most recent actions cloud so much of what they've done that it's hard to balance things in the good for them. It's issues that has unevened the overall reception and while there is still room for things to change, it's a shame characters with decent to worthwhile introductions and presence has lost some of that luster in recent years.
At least Blake has shown that characters that have fallen can rise up if given the right focus, story, growth and effort.
@ThatKaitoDan RWBY succeeds in creating mystery and intrigue, but fails to deliver on it with answers. Most of these answers are disappointingly disproportionate to the mystery of these characters' motivations or just more M Y S T E R Y . RWBY villains especially, look at Cinder. Just about 6 volumes in and we 1) still don't have a backstory/ motivation 2) No character development for her and 3) The narrative stakes weren't even raised after her tense confrontation with Pyrrha in v3 (Jaune facing Cinder was the dumbest thing in v5). All she is is M Y S T E R Y.
She's supposed to leave an impact but she doesn't even compare to how she was back in v3 because at least in that she took down Beacon and Oz before getting rekted by Ruby.
Ruby's not badly written
She's barely written
Also Red like Roses II and This Life is Mine better be on that future list
LMAO!!! So true, no character development at all.
@James Schultz very well said word there.
Maybe red like roses 2 but not this life is mine. I'm not entirely sure why i don't like that song very much but I also don't know why every one seems to like that song either. Maybe it played during a forgettable moment?
TLIM was a defining moment for the Weiss series in the soundtrack. And Weiss vs lancers was one of V5's highlights, well one of its only...
Jinx Solaei I
Leo's fate: He has to hear that terrible line on loop until he dies.
"Salem only uses people until they are no longer useful."
Leo: PLEASE, MAKE IT STOP!!!!
*tHrRE iS nO bEaTInG sAlEM*
*tHEy'rE tHE oNeS tHAt mATtEr*
OvEr AnD OvEr aGaIn!
AaAaAaAaAaAaHhHhHhHhHhHhHhHh
Seriously, there are so many less awkward ways to word that.
For example: "Salem keeps servants who are useful and discards those who are not."
It wouldn't be a great line, but still.
Its destiny not fate
Honestly what I expected, Honestly, I know it’s been said before but...Volume 5 RUINED ALOT, and I mean ALOT of characters and stories.
theamazingmaymay123 I’d say only 3 Adam ospin and yang
1 Adam = Kyle ren in v 5
2 ospin no answers just more questions and a sense of paranoia from him taking over Oscar
3 yang I feel like yang being so but hurt about Blake is meaningless less if there’s no drama in the reunion and ruins yang because they took most of her puns and can su attitude wich I loved and made her my favorite character
It also made sime characters likeable or even more love example Jaune i mean look at how hes grown and qrow
My problem with volume 5 is thst it's so stretched out and slow
Rokkfel How did Jaune grow? All he did was stupidly attack Cinder which should’ve ended badly for him and when Weiss was stabbed he saved her with his deus ex machina semblance. Jaune didn’t grow at all in Volume 5 and honestly how they treated him in the end made me hate his character more than like it because they derailed Cinder’s whole revenge plot against Ruby to pretend Jaune is the main character here screwing Ruby out of actually having meaningful focus and interaction.
theamazingmaymay123
But they give the best stories and characters. ;-;
Weiss, Blake, """Yang""", Jaune.
All of the characters are great and have amazing potential, it’s the writing that’s a mess.
Y e s
Nope
A lot of the characters are boring and generic tbh
@@thedarklordx boring I get but generic how?
@@tdfern1 generic as in a lot of their personalities are extremely cookie cutter lazy archetypes. Ice queen who warms up? Dark brooding emo loner with a mysterious past? Naive young idealist who sees the world in black and white and only cares about stopping the bad guys?
These are 90% of what you need to know about the personalities of RWB and yet those are barely outlines of a personality. There's more fleshed out isekai harem characters.
When someone asked Monty's wife, which character she relates to the most she answered with Cinder. I think she described Cinder as Benevolent. Clearly Monty had created a backstory for her. If only the current writers had any idea of what to with what Monty left them maybe Cinder would have turned into a very interesting character.
Interesting
Bish, i just can't...Bish, it's a shame if writers don't know about Monty's backstory. BIITCH!!!...
I think one of the fired RWBY employees said that Monty had a book with everything he wanted in the show, but Miles and Kerry never used it. And when he said something, he was fired.
That might not be true, but I heard it from someone.
@@Skyguy-hi2rk Bitch!, are you wanna SLAY-ME!?
and i heard that monty wrote enough for like 7 or 8 seasons which they're using
RWBY should have longer seasons or longer episodes. A lot of RWBY's problems seem related to stuff cut for time so they should solve that.
I doubt it would happen, but if cinder survived I'd actually love to see her story go similar to Scar's from Full metal alchemist brotherhood.
More like Envy
I want Jaune to kill Cinder
Placing my bets on Adam, Cinder or Salem for #1.
Edit : Yep Cinder is #1 (I'm not surprised)
Salem I am pretty sure has a reason. She isnt like a bland villain either. She has personality. Adam is growing on me. Cinder only has a little bit originality. Fuck her.
Watts is ass too. Mad scientist bland villain
@@shahzarfr She has a reason.. but we've known about her for at least 2 Volumes and we don't even know what her powers are. She just let's her henchmen do all the work and we don't even know what her motives are other than destroying the world or something generic like that.
@@Parker_Lot we aren't supposed to at the start. Whats so fun with main villain battling right at the start?
Adam is easily written more inconsistently and currently way worse than Cinder.
“Leave my cat daughter alone she’s been through enough “ that killed me 😂
Cinder could have had her moment of being a rival and enemy of team RWBY at the academy. Ruby could have taken more of an interest in Cinder and wanted to be her friend while Cinder could have taken interest in Ruby as a potential pawn or convert to her cause. A few episodes could have been dedicated to allowing this friendship to blossom into the poisonous rose it could have been making the assault against Beacon academy that much more devastating for Ruby knowing that a close friend was responsible for the attack. It would have made Ruby's attack against Cinder that much more devastating too knowing that Ruby, whom she was trying to groom into one of her subjects, was the one who hurt her so. Tell me that wouldn't have made their story THAT much more personal and vicious.
I agree completely :)
Yeah you think Cinder already Knew about Sliver Eyed Warriors that Salem happended To forget to tell Cinder about.. We all Know Salem lied to cinder. Because The Sliver eyes are only Anti Grimm.. They do not take out Maidens.
Eh, to be fair the silver eyes DID hurt cinder. I’d ASSUME so anyway seeing as she was so injured she could barely speak after her encounter with ruby, and I highly doubt ruby was did that all by hersel.... fuck it, I don’t even think the writers know what the silver eyes do!
Do Best and Worst Semblances! If you haven't already that is.
I like to hear your reasons behind your placements.
Sun's seems kinda of bad
Ross The Moss Sun’s seems to be quite good. Good pressure and crowd control, but seems to take a lot of energy,
In my opinion:
Best
1. Emerald's
2. Weiss'
3. Neo's
4. Adam's
5. Pyrrha's
Worst:
1. Sun's
2. Yang's
3. Ruby's (IT'S SUPER SPEED, NOT FLYING!)
4. Jaune's
5. Maria Calavera's
Don't get me wrong, i LOVE RWBY but theres some stuff i dislike ;-;
Hold up Maria’s semblance is great
Late but:
Best:
1.Neo
2.Emerald
3.Cinder
4.The Schnee Semblance
5.Pyrrha
Worst:
1.Ironwood
2.Maria
3.Fox
4.Ravens
5.Qrow/Clover
12:15-12:30 LOLOLOL That whole scene with Jaune shouting at Cinder during the Battle of Haven is some of the best unintentional comedy ever. It's Miles' "teenage boy in the middle of his voice cracking" voice that just kills this moment of Jaune's rage. It makes him sound like he's some pathetic high school nerd crying after Cinder "Mean Girl" Fall stood him up on a date, instead of being face-to-face with the murderer who killed his partner.
Me personally Hazel deserves a spot as well his motivation for wanting to take down Ozpin is completely weak and hypocritical to the point that whenever he appeared on screen I'd cringe with the exception of when Weiss stabbed him and Blake kicked him I just find it ridiculous that his solution of avenging his belated sister is to work for the leader of what probably killed her plus him calling Ozpin a monster and blaming everyone's death on him despite the fact that he was the one that tried to kill Oscar and Nora and being so blindsided to that just irritates me I understand why he's mad at Ozpin but like Oscar said she made her choice and for Hazel to say that he chose death and try to kill him just shows how ignorant he is I'd honestly feel nothing for him if he died
Love your list by the way and I love how Cinder's the thumbnail
"Im mad coz Ozpin kills children in his war (Children that chose that path), To defeat him....
I WILL KILL CHILDREN!!!!!!!"
God... Hazel was such a cool character before the ending of Volume 5, but they wrecked him just like Cinder. Here's this guy that we know is a bad guy, but he seems to have some degree of honor and isn't just flat out evil like the rest of the crew, plus he has some background with Ozpin... what could be his deal? Oh, his sister is dead, he says Ozpin killed her! Oh, wait... nevermind, she died on a training exercise at Beacon, clearly the headmaster killed her *insert giant eye roll*.
"Imma work with the Salem, the person who WORKS WITH THE GRIMM"
Thomas McCarthy-jones You know Hazel hating Ozpin for “killing” his sister but working for child murderers would’ve worked if he was just a guy who didn’t care or thought about anyone else and is just consumed by his grief and rage to the point he’s willing to kill anyone to get to Ozpin, if they had gone that route then it would’ve come across much better in my opinion, he’s a hypocrite but he just doesn’t care and want to kill Ozpin, instead they don’t acknowledge the hypocrisy at all which leads to him feeling very weak as a character.
@@ryancarson6962 The thing Is..THATS THE POINT. He is a hypocrite. It shows how rage blinds you to common sense.
Anyone else think Cinder should've stabbed an unconscience Ruby instead of Weiss?
or cut her eyes out? You know to make sure she couldn't use the silver eyes powers on her again. But clearly the silver eyes are going to be a desu ex machina for the show so we can't have that.
WEISS WITH A SCARF
Someone who actually slightly cares about the weather
Polnareff is very real
Honesty, Cinder was one of my favorite characters in the show. I didn't care that she just wanted power and to be feared, she was a very entertaining character to watch in both V2 and 3, whether she was plotting in the shadows or showing off her fighting prowess. Everything I loved about a villain and more. But then Volume 5 happened and turned her into a goddamn joke.
Seriously, fuck that volume.
Onochie Nebedum We can all agree that Chibi Cinder is best Cinder
Actually, we do know a bit more about her and I liked how it was hinted:
We can assume that she's in her early 20s (personality and the fact that she still blended in, despite being older), that she came from a wealthy house, was well trained in many disciplines, but then hit rock bottom. She's thus able to move both in high society and amongst thieves without feeling uncomfortable. We can also assume that something traumatic must have happened that she's rather be the villain in her own story than victim ever again. Lastly, she does seem to have an aversion against men. She also has a strong animosity towards Atlas and how she said, she was right about you could mean many things, but implies that she and Salem dislike Ozpin for similar reasons.
We know all this just from a few sentences and scenes that amount to 20s at most. That's pretty impressive, actually.
+edi
Ummmm, we never got any of that information from anywhere. From which fanfiction did you lift that?
I don't read fanfiction and all I've stated is pretty much what I can see from her actions.
I can do my best to explain any of my assumptions, if you like.
+edi
By all means.
Blake vs. Adam at the fall of Haven “..I’m not running.” *runs away after v3*
Edit: Beacon* not Haven
Looks like Cinder... *equips sunglasses* just got in*cinder*ated.
Also, despite him not being in either top 5 lists, how do you feel about Ozpin?
Ah crape here we go again
I think Adam can be salvaged if they stop writing him like one of Romona Flowers' evil exes
Adam at the start was decent, until his personality got mostly transplanted to Illia because of LGBT pandering.
Albrecht von Stollen yep
Well this comment didn't age well
Come to think of it, with the "Who are you again?" scene, did Cinder and Jaun even interact before then, apart from maybe briefly seeing eachother?
Seems like a very legitimate question for her to be asking.
I think it was suppose to be.
A well articulate person with good and constructive criticism ? Who says that Granny in the trailer is a queen and makes a "My man" joke with Cinder and Raven ? I stan. Followed, subscribed, a fan.
Epic Theory: Unicorn of War is actually Salem
Spookmin What a mindblowing theory
The thing about most of RWBY's characters is that they are all interesting from the moment they're introduced... but then the more time that's spent on them the worse they get. All of these characters could have been great but the writers didn't seem to have any plans for them, at least not long term. When you write a character you absolutely have to have their motivations, their story arcs, and their backstories all in mind before you even introduce them, even if the audience doesn't know any of that stuff from the start. Cinder should have died at the end of volume 3 IMO, her character was never good but what they ended up doing with her only to seemingly kill her off at the end of Volume 5 just makes her presence in Volumes 4 and 5 seem meaningless, she even got some "development" in Volume 4 and then she reset to the one dimensional bitch that she was in the first 3 volumes. Long rant over but I love this show but all of these characters are the definition of wasted potential.
Yea, i mean, you summarized the entire show. The concept of everything is interesting. But then the execution falls flat on its face.
Plenty of shows and movies get away with making up character plot points on the spot.
I literally just thought of a way for the 8 or so White Fang members with at Adam at Haven work. MAKE THEM ELITE ASSASSINS!!! That would make so much more sense than just random foot soldiers. They could be like the League of Assassins of the White Fang. Just imagine them silently taking down the Mistral Police Force. That would have been so cool and intimidating.
Adam Taurus Is like Kylo Ren Same child Temper tantrums and Cowards.
At least Kylo is mostly internally consistent.
Believe it or not, but Last Jedi actually made me like Kylo. I'm ready for the arguments against that, but I stand by what I said.
You would have a point, but Kilo has not been beaten by an axe punch at the very least.
Honestly, I thought Rey and Kylo were better characters in Last Jedi than in Force Awakens. Not saying the movie isn't flawed. But, it definitely succeeded in making me care about the protagonist and antagonist.
Kylo is not a coward.
I hate hating the show. While I’m watching episodes in the moment I really don’t pay attention to any mistakes, or bad writing, it’s usually when I rewatch episodes and realize how shitty they are, or watching videos like yours. I don’t hate any of the characters, not the heroes, or villains, I love all their concepts, designs (not Adam’s) but when they’re badly written like they are, it’s.. hard to tolerate them, as much as I want to love them. Now whether they’re badly written or not depends. Take Jacque for example. He isn’t badly written because his character is written on how it’s supposed to be. He’s supposed to be a snarky rich asshole, and he is. Bad writing is them trying to give Ruby character development to make her seem more mature when, like you said, she still hasn’t changed from volume one. Not much, anyways.
Personally Ruby Rose is still one of my favorite characters. I've always loved her optimism and cute happy self.
i honestly have to disagree with people who say she has had little to no character development. Watching Volume 1 and 2 Rwby, she seems like such a different person. She's still happy and optimistic, but I am seriously questioning her sanity. There are moments where she looks dangerously close to snapping or breaking down, but she's been staying strong for everyone else. She's always looking out for everyone like a good leader should, but no one ever asks if she's okay.
Ruby is carrying a lot of emotional baggage on her shoulders. She watched two friends die in front of her, she was the one who arrived too late. Her team coming back together might help a bit, but I still feel meeting Salem could finally set off all that emotion she's been carrying. That might be what RoosterTeeth are going for.
No she's literally a basic and boring bitch. She's worse than Kairi from Kingdom Hearts. In fact the only people who tend to really love her are guys like you.. who write like 7 paragraphs about shit that doesn't really matter lol.
See I agree with you but like the character development still isn’t there, I think the only moment thst made me think that was when she was talking to Oscar and it almost looked like she was either in denial or trying to like stay sane
@@christianguerrero70 Shit that doesn't matter, to whom exactly? Just because you don't see Ruby's development doesn't mean it doesn't exist. She literally feels like a completely different character when she first started. If you remember, she started out not wanting anything to do with friends. Now she has four friends who she would die for in a heartbeat. If that doesn't count as character development to you, then what is? I ask you what to you, would count as character development to you?
@@Wildnose1337 That's your defense?.. her trait that was nipped by episode like 4?.. anything else?.. the only difference is her dumb voice and her knowledge of the plot😂😂😂.
@@christianguerrero70 Not my only defense, that was one of my many examples that Ruby has character development. Am I wrong?
I hate what they did to Adam. He had so much fucking potential to be a good antagonist and they ruined him. Truly a shame.
This is before Unicorn of War had his character regression Arc post v6. back when he acknowledged the writing issues and character contradictions with Adams character and didn't excuse at all on: "You see abusers irl"---
Adam should've been written as Blake's mentor not some psychopath loser of an ex-boyfriend. He should've focus on attacking humans for Faunx kind. But the writer REALLY fucked him over so badly that it's not even funny. x.x
Adam did not deserve this.
Anyone else hear "victory is in a sausage roll" at the begining?
You ruined the whole song for me haha thanks
@@ferryn6877 I do my best
Yum.
My Top 5 RWBY Songs:
5 Die
4 Divide
3 Red Like Roses 2
2 Home
1 This Life Is Mine
This life is mine is the best!!!!
Ikr
If I were to make my list id replace home with Bad Luck Charm and swap it with Red Like Roses 2. I really enjoy all of the RWBY music but home just seems a bit boring for me. I like slow songs too but Home in particular just doesn't sound amazing to me.
@@Ace-hs3ux I can understand that, I at first also disliked Home °~°
Mines
5. Shine
4. Dream come true
3. I’m the one
2. From Shadows
1. Gold
You know, maybe it's just me being a Devil May Cry fan, but to me it looks like RWBY tried three different times to give us a character reminiscent of Vergil from that series. We got Adam who kinda looks like Vergil, Cinder who kinda has his obsession with power, and Raven who kinda has the same family issues as him.
What is Adam hiding is those zippers?
Good character development
Imagine a fully developed tragic Cinderella character lashing out at the world for screwing her over.
I love a great villains,. Adam was set up as great, badass and mysterious one. He has such a great hero/villain dynamic with Blake. However, I agree with your assessment. UGH! The writers really did him dirty. >< PS: Cinder is totally pointless BTW
Did you know that Monty once wanted Adam to be Blakes Mentor instead of a crazy ex?
I feel like killing Leo was a mistake. If they weren't going to give his death any serious ramifications, they could have just left him alive and let him be just as irrelevant as everyone else that isn't a regular.
Im not ready, BUT IM READY! MY MONEY IS ON CINDER BEING IN THE TOP 3!!!
No she’s in top 1, I just know it.
I wished the Albain Brothers looked shady as fuck. But were actually good people who just spoke weirdly.
That would be funny.
Will you ever consider a top 5 list of the best fights?
Seconding this suggestion.
third
Forth
Fifth.
Mine would be (Haven’t finished Vol. 6 btw)
5. The Dock fight (Vol. 1)
4. Yang v Mercury (Vol. 3)
3. Pyrrha v Cinder (Vol. 3)
2. Ruby v Neo and Torchwick (Vol. 3)
1. Qrow v Tyrion (Vol. 4)
Raven v Cinder was pretty cool to watch even if the Haven battle as a whole was really dumb.
Oh and Players and Pieces was an awesome battle even if I wouldn’t consider it a fight scene.
So , the Branwen twins occupy no 5 spot on both the character lists.
Blake Belladonna: The only character not fucked up by volume 5
Bowser's reaction to Cinder Fall: Now that's a cruddy finale.
Adam was the only vilain that got shit done. At least until he got one hitted by blake, which was ridiculous. I liked his part in Vol 6 ep1 tbh
Why not top 10 best songs? One does not simply only pick five.
I really hope Raven gets some character development in future volumes
Thanks for having placed Raven and Adam on the list. Raven she's really boring, overpowered without development and kinda optionnal to the story. And Adam is probably the worst disapointment in the entire show.
You forgot Qrow. Really share the qualities of her sister (as a less dramatic level)
I can agree with Leo and Cinder the others have redeeming qualities.
I want character development for Ruby in Volume 6!
Ilikegreenday YOUR WISH IS GRANTED
I bet you're happy.
At 8:07 I always laughed at that shot wondering “what were they thinking when they made that.”
It's October. Where's my book, Thomas? WHERE'S MY BOOK?!
XD Thank you for the excitement, but uh sadly I had to delay again. Aiming for Spring 2019.
(Help)
I would honestly not say that volumes 4-5 blake was good. Her character suddenly did a full 180 and she was insulting and slapping sun around for no reason. She was pretty much just whining and sitting on her ass the whole time
I dont really have an issue with Blake and how shes been handled throughout the show. People misjudge her as a complete loner, but really its more just trust issues, for obviously understandable reasons now. She may have been serious, but she was never opposed to a bit of fun and Ruby as a leader is bound to bring some lighthearted fun out of any stick-in-the-mud, so the couple bits in V1/2 were fine. She grew more comfortable with her friends and therefore more confident, but after the fall of Beacon and Adam dismembering Yang, she was obviously and naturally going to regress on her old ways as she blamed herself. Back home however, between her parents consoling her and Sun's commentary on trusting her friends, Blake got out of her funk and they banded together to help save Mistral.
I dont necessarily think shes the best in the show, but certainly not the worst. Frankly, I would have dedicated a spot for Hazel. Once again, an intriguing mysterious character all but ruined in execution once we found out how goddamned hypocritical he is
+Fireheart47
Its not really about misjudgement. She is not liked because she is a bitch, she is badly written and an unlikeable character at all.
When we did not know about her much in Volumes 1-3, she was good, a down to earth character that knows about the darker side of fighting. She overgoes an arc for her personality and improves as a person. And then its all fucked up.
She becomes abusive to her friends, selfish to the highest degree while pretending that SHE is the victim and some sort of saviour for what she did. That is without mentioning the reveal that she is basically a fucking princess yet complains about how bad things are. From a mysterious grounded character with issues, she turns into a whiny self-centered bitch whose complaints dont make sense and end up in her starting to generalize and manipulate people for her own ends (Something she is supposed to abhor!).
Hazel has not been seen enough. Yea, hes bad, but Blake is worse, especially with the time that was given to her. She is one of the worst written characters in the show, even Ruby being underwritten is better than her.
Andrius Butikis See there’s point in debating with you, you aren’t going to change your mind.
+Fireheart47
Because i disagreed with you i am not going to change my mind? People have changed my mind before you know.
What you are doing now is making an excuse to not respond properly because you cant.
Andrius Butikis No I’d be happy to, but going on a curse filled tirade shows your pretty set in your opinion, which is fine, but I disagree.
For one, Blake is no princess, she’s the daughter of a civil rights leader. MLKs kids were not prince/princesses of black people.
Ghira lived on the move while leading the White Fang, under attack by racist humans like we saw in the Adam short. They did not live a life of luxury until Ghira stepped down and settled as Menageries chieftain, aka when Blake left her family because she viewed them as cowardly. *She never had that life*.
+Fireheart47
Ghira is the leader of Menagerie. He is leading an entire state. While he was a civil rights leader he was also a leader of what can be considered a city state. Also, we do not know if Ghira lived on the move or not. We saw only one scene of them moving (May i remind you that they already wore Grimm masks and carried assault rifles too?) and get attacked. It is not an indication if this always happening. Not to mention that this only one part of this entire thing.
Everyone deserves better except Jaune and Cinder
Ps. I didn't get notified when this video was upload
If you see it as a future video, how about a list of some characters you would like to see more of. I love your videos. You know how to prove a point and be funny at the same time. Can't wait for the next one!
I feel if they actually address Cinder’s past I think she’d be a less terrible villain. My head canon is that it like Cinderella story, with Salem being her fairy godmother.
I love Blake😔
Guess every body don’t agree with me
But I’m still a bit sad 😞
Ahhhh... whooo cares
But I do......
I too love blake
11:09 oh honey does volume 6 deliver
I agree with most of your points... however, I do have a thing to point out. The world of RWBY created a world where the main four are only the main characters because they just so happen to be in the right place at the right time more often than most and will most likely continue to do so since they are in so deep. That being said, I’m not sure if the villain having specific attachments to the main cast is necessary. I feel like the point was that Pyrrha died for nothing. She wasn’t important and didn’t contribute. She wanted to be this destined hero, but died only achieving this sense of being a martyr and motivation for the RWBY and JNPR team, Jaune particularly. Sure, it would have been nice for RWBY to fight Cinder. A satisfying fight that would make sense, since she became the main threat after volume 1 until volume 4. However, there was no real narrative reason for Cinder to care about Team RWBY specifically except for Ruby herself. Of course that could set up the team fighting to protect RWBY, but Cinder beat a maiden without having maiden powers and then Ozpin with Maiden powers. The fight would have had to have been forced due to the differences in power levels. It is because of these obvious differences in destructive power that completely separates them. They don’t have the most reliable way to level up, considering they are always traveling and fighting Grimm in an uncontrolled environment like one of the official schools who managed to produce the ridiculous team CFVY in a year. At least I think they were a year above. They have been learning new tricks and skills, but Ruby’s speed hardly matters against the likes of Winter, Qrow, Tyrian, and many other far more experienced fighters. Even Emerald and Mercury are in an environment where they can be taught and honed by one of the world’s most dangerous people. Now that they have Ozpin, it will be far easier, but they weren’t ready in volume 5.
I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense. Of RWBY and JNPR, the most skilled fighter was obviously Pyrrah, and Cinder killed her. And she'd have only gotten stronger after further training from Salem and acclimating to her powers.
Therefore, she was stopped not by the main cast, which would have probably been much worse for the story, having to explain such a large power increase, but a third party that was just another version of her, just with several more years worth of experience. Then, since there's obviously no way for the main cast to beat said third party through power, she's defeated through words and ideologies. In the end, regardless of the quality of the storytelling, I think this was the only logical end to this arc based on Cinder's power level.
Pre-maiden Cinder vs Pyrrah, I feel, would be pretty much even based on their fight.
I just know this I’ll be good besides I see cinder
she gets new arm again?
Or she comes back mostly corrupted as a grimm
If this is ranked in power and only antagonists, I really don’t know what to say. The wiki also says that Cinder was from a life when she had nothing and was powerless. Makes sense that she would crave power. Unless the wiki is lying to me. She also had some developments in V6, so I don’t really see why people are hating her so much anyways. I hence rest my case lmao..
This video was made before volume 6 aired.
And wiki stuff doesn't count because not everyone is going to read it lol.
Since Volume 7 ended, ever thought about going back to this video and comparing it to your current thoughts on the characters? Kind of like a self commentary.
Volume 7 was great
Cinder isnt as annoying and Blake is my favorite character
Even though I don't think Blake should be on this list, I'm _so_ glad Jaune isn't. You've been giving him and any scene or story arc centered on him a _lot_ of shit, so I was expecting to see him at #1 or #2. Glad I was wrong.
@DarkSonic180 Sooo, Jaune, the hilarious comic relief who then gets deconstructed and humanized and ultimately defeats his comic relief status to then play a role in some of the series' most emotional scenes should be on the list? Got it.
@DarkSonic180 You being annoyed at him getting too much screentime does not make him a bad character. I agree that Ruby barely had any development, but that doesn't make _Jaune_ a bad character, it makes _her_ a bad character!
@DarkSonic180 ...That's not what a bad character is. It might be a problem in the writing (even though I think giving Jaune focus and Ruby development were by no means mutually exclusive), but it does not make Jaune a bad character.
DarkSonic180 That doesn't make the least bit of sense. You resenting Jaune for getting more screentime than Ruby doesn't make him a bad character; at the very most it makes _Ruby_ a bad character because _she's_ the one who gets less screentime.
I loved Adams character and still held onto hope for his character, but the writers didn't do my boy justice.
Volume 5 Blake really rubbed me the wrong way. Her speech telling her fellow Faunus that they're bad for wanting to revolt against the oppressors reminded me of some priviledged lib telling BLM protestors to tone it down a little.
Would you be willing to do a top 5 favorite and least favorite characters video? I’m just curious which characters you like the most and are excited to see develop
I think my list goes:
5. Ruby
4. Jaune
3. Cinder
2. Sun
1. Adam
Why you hate RWBY
She's definitely not the best but I wouldn't call Cinder the worst character.
Better to wait until her backstory is revealed before we can make that judgement or more scenes of her operating on her own.
Same with Ruby and Salem...well we have backstory on Salem now anyway.
Ruby and Blake are actually two of my favorite characters; Blake because I actually think she’s really cool, and Ruby because, well, she’s really fun.
Couldn’t agree more about Adam and Cinder though (My two most hated characters in the series).
Cinder is my favourite piece of flat dry paper ever
I personally love raven, in my opinion she is the best "villain"
I like the idea of Adam but then they ruin the idea to be psycho ex
Cinder Is Number One Worst Because Of What She Has Done To Weiss And Pyrrah
FINALLY SOME ONE GETS IT
Cat daughter... that has a nice ring to it :).
I just want to say that I love your editing style it’s so fun
11:06 I'm going to say this is because Miles wants the show to be JWBY. Seriously. Cinder never met Jaune aside from him running in the relic area, and they then have Cinder attack Weiss, Fking WEISS, instead of RUBY, THE GIRL SHE HAS A VENDETTA AGAINST WHO IS KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS RIGHT NEXT TO HER!
Though, Cinder could've just been doing as Watts said.
yep almost everyone could see this list line up coming. I'm surprised you didn't bring up Hazel in the dishonorable mentions or on the list. I felt like in Volume 5 they fucked whatever build up they had in Volume 4 so having him on this list would be more fitting to at least be place on the dishonorable list. But yeah everyone else has a reason to be on this list though I can say for a lot of the characters that is more on the writers not knowing how to write characters than the actual characters themselves. Maybe these characters will get better now that Miles and Kerry are actually being forced to try but considering the shows track record I'm not going to hold my breath. Volume 6 trailer looks good but then again a trailer and the actual Volume can go in very different directions.
Why is Raven here? She is one of the characters that has GOOD writing, even though she's only important for like, half a volume.
Despite Cinder being in the thumbnail, I was asking myself "Who's gonna be number 1?"
Lol
That bit with the Raven and Cinder fight with the words imposed on top made me laugh SO HARD! XD
I wanted Jaune to low-key body Cinder
I think Leo could’ve been interesting and if he was written as a double agent and we saw him constantly struggling and flipping sides because he doesn’t want to betray his friends but doesn’t have the guts to stand up to Salem.
Don’t know if you knew this or not but this entire month there has been a RWBY Song Tournament hosted by RT Radio on Twitter where all RWBY songs go head to head. They’re now in the final four with them being This Will be the Day, I Burn, Red Like Roses Part 2, and This Life is Mine. I’m satisfied with this but a lot of good songs got kicked out far to early like Sacrifice.
Why y'all have to do my girl cinder like that
No one:
Raven: HeLlo BrOTheR
i really really dislike blake, she had a gooood chance with sun, but nope, bumblebee am i right guys? smh smh, i don't wanna look at sun's face when the team goes to Vacuo to and he sees blake and yang kissing or smth
Honestly expected Jaune and Whitley to at least have honorable mentions. Not that I dislike Jaune or anything, but I know he isn't the favorite of very many people. I was also expecting Jacques and Team CRDL to be on the top 5. But, I guess it's all about how they are written. And Jacques and CRDL are written in the way they are supposed to be, a rich asshole and 1 dimensional bullies. They do that job pretty well.
Looking back at some of the parts of this show, I'm seriously wondering why I love this show so much. I'm not even a huge fan of the music.
Season 5 ending fight for blake was bad. She came to stop him and then to his face says that that hes not important.
"SaLeM oNlY uSeS PeOpLe UnTiLl ThEy aRe nO lOnGeR UsEfUl"
First rule of rwby we don't talk about season 4 and 5
Here 5 and a half years after the vid came out, and I'm curious to know if this list has changed at all after volume 9.
I think it would be interesting if Thomas made a new list now that some of these characters seem to be making steps in the right direction. (Blake, Adam, and even Cinder according to his Vol. 7 review.)
So here is how I was thinking this video would go:
>Be me
>Fan of Jaune. I recognise his faults and hope he improves (both in the story and his character writing).
>Everyone else intensely dislikes him, he ain’t everyone’s cup of tea, I can recognise that.
>Have to hear all the time how “bad”he is.
>See video
>Expect to see him at the number 1 spot
>pls no.
>Wasn’t on the list
>Be me now, Just shook as fuck
In all seriousness though a very well thought out and reasoned list, great video! Keep it up!
P.s I can’t help but laugh and cry during Jaune’s rant at Cinder, sue me it’s both sad and hilarious when she smacks him down
Haven’t started the video yet but I’m assuming that all the bad characters in this list are all the villains and side characters since that’s on every list in “bad/worst characters in RWBY”