UPDATE: According to a breaking, exclusive report from euronews, Azerbaijani government sources confirmed that a Russian surface-to-air missile caused the Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash in Aktau. According to the sources, the missile was fired during drone air activity above Grozny, and the shrapnel hit the passengers and cabin crew as it exploded next to the aircraft mid-flight.
Turbines do explode and also make similar patterns when the pepper the body. Probably wait for actual evidence, surface to air missiles are easily tracked, and no real news source is making these claims.
Ok but then why would russia shoot down their own plane, and it was supposed to enter Russia, so the pilots had authorisation from the ground control They would not have taken off it they didnt have authorisation
Its pretty straight forward what happened. There was incoming drones from ukraine in the area. Russian air defense crews made a mistake and hit the plane with a pantsir sam. The shrapnel damage to the tail section is consistent with the damage a pantsir sam would do.
I also saw a documentary saying that you have the highest survival rate in the tale of an aircraft. And you also have the opportunity of off boarding first through the rear doors.
@@hollywoodslym sounds about right, since most crash would be a nose dive. The most dangerous seats would be the ones in the middle and directly behind the cockpit.
@@_Just_Another_Guy you can clearly see the tail section has shrapnel damage. Footage from inside the plane also shows puncher holes in the cabin. Seconds before the crash you can also see that none of the flaps, slats or spoilers were deployed. Tie that in with flight pattern, it points to all control systems having failed from from the shrapnel projectiles hit them. Birds and weather cannot lead to all control systems failing for the pilots to lose control like that. This is an open & shut case because the evidence is clear as day.
The fact that it crashed with the flaps up, with no visible movement of the flight controls and obvious phugoid oscillations caught on video points to a total loss of hydraulic power, probably from the numerous shrapnel wounds peppering the aircraft.
- GPS Jamming near Grozny - Pilots divert course away from Grozny even though it's way closer than Kazakhstan, and not beyond a few hundred km of water - Apparent Phugoid motion before the crash - Strange wavey course over the Caspian Sea - Passengers report an explosion outside the craft - Apparent shrapnel damage on the rear fuselage and stabilizers We all know what happened here. The russians mistook this thing for a drone, and decided to shoot it down.
Yeah you know, because the Russians, with the best SAM systems in the world, mistook a passenger plane with transponders for being a drone. What a leap in logic there.
@@pandibbarman I bet you believe anything you're told. I bet you think the Russians have been sinking their own merchant ships over the past week, despite the saboteur explosions. I'm a bit more suspicious of Ukrainian intelligence that has stated that they are carrying out this campaign, while having a history of such terrorist attacks since NATO took over in 2014.
The pilots fought really hard and did an incredible job despite the tragedy. To see the plane rapidly increasing and decreasing in altitude like that but they still managed to decrease speed and keep the aircraft somewhat level to land it in such a manner that half of the plan and dozens survived is incredible.
"It was on December 25th that an Azerbaijan Airlines Embraer E190 crashed while attempting to make an emergency landing after losing its pitch and yaw ability due to an accidental surface to air missle strike." fixed that for you
That was no accident. That is what we call "criminal negligence." Not an accident. The Russians always know what they are doing and why. They just do an extremely crappy job of it.
@mrgregsir007 I agree with you if the Russians actually did it. Why are Ukrainian drones operating in this area and from where have they been launched. The missile was likely Russian made (or Iranian clone) but the origin of manufacture ≠ shooter.
@iceman9678 they were targeting the airport in Chechnya where the plane was going. The Russians just shoot at everything. They had scramble gps etc. So no radar or atc type data.
In Aviation, i think 2024 starts with a 💥 and ends with a 💥. The fact that the tail section of the E190 was not completely destroyed was incredible but it would tell the investigators an important clue. Glad that some passengers and crew survive this tragedy.
@911HRW dude... The news loves reporting on accusations against Russia...and no one is making the accusations yet.. azerbaijan is clearly in the American axis, so won't be shy with their findings.
@@GrimYak which tells you what?. Maybe it isn't a Sam... And just an turbine blowing the hell up.a million pieces turning at an ungodly speed also looks like this when it falls apart
Stop the "could have been" and nonsense. At this point there is no reasonable doubt that the Russians shot down the aircraft. Here are the facts: 1. The rudder, elevator and rear end of the aircraft show absolutely typical AA shrapnel damage: Smaller entry holes with inward-bent edges, larger exit holes with ragged edges that aren't bent inwards on the other side. 2. Footage from inside the aircraft before the crash shows damage on the rear end of a fuel tank, damage that cannot possibly be caused by bird strike or an engine explosion. The damage can only have been caused by a strike from behind or below. Furthermore, it shows suspicious fragments on the floor that could very well be shrapnel. 3. Footage from inside and outside before the crash show no smoke from the engines, which excludes an engine explosion or a bird getting sucked into one of the engines. 4. Footage from outside before the crash shows no damage on the nose or front edges of the wings that would be typical of bird strikes. 5. The up-and-down movements of the aircraft in its approach clearly indicate that it was hard to control due to the damaged elevator and rudder, not GPS jamming or spoofing (pilots are well capable of making a controlled visual approach without the help of GPS and/or ILS as long as the avionics work properly, so that hypothesis is clearly made-up bullshit). You can clearly see that the pilots are fighting to prevent the aircraft from stalling. 6. There was an ongoing drone attack at Grosny when the aircraft attempted to land there, and there is precedent for incompetent Russian AA soldiers shooting down civilian as well as friendly military aircraft. The Russians failed to close the concerned airspace, which renders an accidental attack on a civilian aircraft very plausible and probable. 7. Despite the fact that Grosny would have been the closest airport when the aircraft's problems occurred, they flew across the entire Caspian Sea with a broken rudder and elevator. This is completely against regulations and only makes sense if either the Russians sent them out hoping they would crash into the sea and leave no evidence of their attack, or the pilots decided it was more dangerous to attempt an emergency landing in Grosny than in Aktau because the Russians might fire at them again. Conclusion: This aircraft was shot down beyond reasonable doubt, and the only AA in range were Russian. Another heinous crime against humanity committed by the fascist empire of Russia. This conclusion also corroborates with the first assessments by international avionics and military experts. Anyone who seriously doubts it is highly suspicious of willingly supporting a classical fake Russian propaganda narrative.
Your lack of aviation knowledge is on display. 1. This could be AA shrapnel, we shall see - it isn't sufficient damage to be from a larger air defense system such as the BUK, maybe a MANPAD. 2. That isn't the fuel tank, it's the flap fairing. It can be damaged by an uncontained engine failure. 3. Engines don't smoke if they had an uncontained failure (in fact, unless they're actively on fire a jet engine will not smoke), you can find videos of other aircraft in similar situations from a sudden internal explosion in the engine. 4. Birds can hit anywhere on a plane, there was also no nose damage to the aircraft that famously crashed into the Hudson River after it struck a large number of birds. The bird strike information was based on a radio call from the crew, and they may be mistaken or they may have actually hit birds - we shall see. 5. I don't think anyone is claiming the movements of the aircraft are from GPS spoofing/jamming. It's clearing a loss of pitch control. This does not remove the fact that GPS spoofing/jamming was occurring in the region around Grozny. 6. Have we seen any evidence of this drone attack? I've looked everywhere for it and found no information on it whatsoever, except as it relates to this accident as posted by UA-cam "experts". 7. Grozny airport was reporting low visibility and fog at the time of the aircraft's arrival, the report indicates the crew initially planned to divert to Makhachkala. The possible accident occurred during the approach or low altitude phase of flight during the missed approach or diversion. I don't think anyone has any information on when the crew initially signaled a problem and many just assume they were at cruise altitude. Your conclusion, while possibly correct, is neither base don facts nor any practical knowledge of aviation, please cite the "experts" stating this an infallible truth - and no, UA-camrs speculating off two to four still images for those sweet sweet views would not constitute "experts". When people say "anyone that disagrees with me is a Russian propagandist" they only feed the narrative the Russians want, that they're the last bastion of critical thinking and reasonable thought.
The 190 suffered rudder and tail damage, namely to the vertical wing cintrol .. the Pilot mentioned he was having problems controlling the 190,s behaviour in the air. This 190 was definitely the victim of a Russian defence missile attack, the pepper hole damage is the classic proof!!!! It seems thus is collateral damage from the Ukrainian, Russian war!! Good to see Azerbaijan agree their 190 was attacked by Russia... And not the first time ? My sincere condolences to the Government and Azerbaijan Airlines and the families who have lost their loved ones in thus terrible attack on a commercial aircraft. Actions ALWAYS have Consequences in life, i pray that Russia will do the rught thing and own full responsibility for this unprevoked attack. We are all praying with you Azerbaijan 🙏🙏🙏🙏 God bless you and give you strength in these terrible times Amen. 🙏☹️☹️☹️☹️🇬🇧🇬🇧
These pilots are my Heroes today... Controling a plane with important tail damage is a science,an art,and require tons of experience,cold blood,and saving 29 lives in these conditions is the result of all of that .... R.I.P. You are now flying with the angels.Respect.😢
Heroes of My Azerbaijan: Igor Kshnyakin - Aircraft Commander Alexander Kalyaninov - Aircraft Co-Pilot Hokuma Aliyeva - Crew Member Eternal memory! May Allah grant them mercy!
Taken down by an SAM the multiple holes are the give away,. The Russians use a class of SAM that gets close to the target and explodes causing hundreds to thousands of shot gun like ball bearings to scatter around punching through solid objects in the path of them moving. The hole pattern is identical to such systems used.
As it's supposedly a "bird strike" they must have picked them into the tail section with their beaks before returning to the wing section striking those engines. Impressive birds these Pantsirs.
I do agree with not jumping to conclusions, however, shrapnel holes entering the airframe from outside as indicated by the direction the metal is bent around those holes is incriminating. The appearance is similar to photos of the reconstructed MH117 airframe. Pootlerstan does have a history of being irresponsible. Let us see what the investigation finds.
@daledavies2334 Despite circumstantial evidence, we must not forget current situation, political bias and exposed several high profile false flag operations. Who is the beneficiary of this crime?
look to me...shrapnel damage to all the control surfaces which would have caused them to loose all hydraulic fluid, sadly this type of aircraft relies on hydraulics, without it the pilots wouldnt have been able to move the ailerons or vertical stabiliser, by the looks of the flight track and the occilations i would imagine the pilots were trying to use differential thrust of the engines in an effort to steer the aircraft. devastating RIP
RIP to all peolpe who died in this crash. Its incredible how the pilots keept the plane so long in air without flightcontrols or a little bit controls and the thrustlevers. That reminds me on UAL232 and JAL123.
Surprised this channel didn't analyze the data. Another aviation channel did explaining the flight behavior was that of hydraulic failure. Then showed video evidence of what looks to be anti-aircraft damage to tail.
This was a 3 minute report, not a detailed analysis of all the data, and they did give credence to the possibility that the plane was shot down. At least they didn't sugarcoat it and try to deny the evidence.
If you're surprised that a three and a half minute video didn't do an in-depth analysis of data, you're world is going to be rocked to the core when you find out that the easter bunny isn't real. Buckle up for that one.
Nothing has to do with birds, but the question is the possibilities of these damages happened by the explosion on the ground and all the debris after the ground contact !???
It appears that the turbine engine was damaged and shattered into pieces. According to the footage, the engine failure was caused by a bird. Don't make unreasonable accusations. Even Russia knows that they would not target civilians, let alone commercial aircraft.
Funny how the engines appeared to be working and producing thrust. Nothing in footage shows engine failure caused by a bird. Russia has more than once shot down civilian airliners believing them to be something else. Your trolling is weak.
I was surprised that people were walking out of the wreckage... No way a sam operator can mistake a medium aircraft for a drone on radar.. likely drunk
@@Hjtrne Considering the speed of airliners, that would have to be a very fast, thus capable drone. That's not impossible, but I at least wouldn't expect it. I would rather expect a false identification and subsequent shoot down.
Some E-jets have crashed, but none ever were due to a failure caused by the aircraft construction, in all honest, its insane that this 190 survived the missile
Tail sections shows signs of a possible proximity fused shrapnel damage, Russia responding quickly post crash, and area of event in close proximity to current war all puts doubt to bird strike as the cause. GPS jamming is a serious issue especially at night, but by day the pilot still has visual and radio connection and can revert to training and fly without gps so the GPS as a cause is unlikely. It all comes back full circle to examine the remains of the plane and I am sure the tail with visible damage will be the center of investigation. It comes down to how Azerbaijan is going to proceed and if they will decide to continue to play ball with russia and cover it all up.
Even at night, losing the GPS isn't an issue. The plane is equipped with IRS. And you still have some VOR and TACAN to correct the deviation accumulated on the IRS. When I use to fly as a CC, we always get GPS jamming over the east of Turkey, Syria and Iraq. We could be withtout GPS for up to one hour.
@@jiggythibs I agree with you, And my position on the matter is more on the proximity fused weapon that disabled or partially disabled the tail section. I should have rephrased the comment because I was not trying to mean it could have been the issue just was poorly phrased to mirror my ridicule of the russians for trying to use it as the reason. I should have said GPS jamming is a serious issue but not enough to be an instant struggle of life or death scenario.
Blame the auto mode on the air defense system not being able to identify a civilian aircraft. And AZAL, why would you actually operate scheduled civil flights into a region subject to such drone and defense activities ?
Uhuh, if the news says the Kazakhstan passenger plane was hit by Russian missile, Russia will be held accountable for this . Karma is on the way to Russia
At this point I think they should give Russian military personnel binoculars and glasses cause they can't differentiate between a passenger plane and drone
Civilian airplanes like this E190 are very common in the USA and elsewhere. They are not hardened and as such are very susceptible to any missile strike. Maybe some lesser weapons system was used. The whole plane had shrapnel over it; AMD get close to damage incoming missiles.
I do not understand why the Azerbaijan Airlines Embraer E190 airplane was at the Russian city of Grozny in the first place because it was closed, as RT reported. If I were the pilot, I would not go to a closed airport. An Azerbaijan Airlines passenger plane that crashed in Kazakhstan this week had to be diverted away from the Russian city of Grozny because the airport there was temporarily closed due to Ukrainian drone attacks, Dmitry Yadrov, the head of Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency, has said. Poor weather conditions also contributed to problems on the ground, he added.
The Caspian Sea region needs to be off-limits to aerial attacks. There's far too many neutral countries and flights in the region. Ukraine conducted multiple kamikaze drone strikes in Chechnya in December 2024 alone. If Ukraine wants to target Russia with aerial attacks in the neighborhood, then it should restrict itself to the Northwest Caucasus alone.
Russia have no trouble attacking the border of Ukraine with Poland and Romania. If Russia want it to stop, get out of Ukraine, or, at least learn a simple skill such as differentiating a drone from a massive airliner(by comparison), and then learn how to properly close aerospace instead of pretending everything is fine. There is only one to blame, Russia and Russia alone.
Russia's aviation watchdog said Friday that an Azerbaijan Airlines plane which crashed in Kazakhstan on Wednesday had decided to reroute from its original destination in Chechnya amid dense fog and a local alert over Ukrainian drones.
damadge to the tail and wings? 🤔🤔 seems more like a shoot down to me, than a brid strike. RIP to those lost in this crash, those pilots did everything they could to keep that plane flying to try and do an emergency landing
UPDATE: According to a breaking, exclusive report from euronews, Azerbaijani government sources confirmed that a Russian surface-to-air missile caused the Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash in Aktau. According to the sources, the missile was fired during drone air activity above Grozny, and the shrapnel hit the passengers and cabin crew as it exploded next to the aircraft mid-flight.
@@SimpleFlyingNews Will Azerbaijan sanction Russia for this act or....?
@@_Just_Another_Guy why would u sanction Russia when the air defense was activated to counter drone?
@@Rtv2038 Because a commercial passenger airline isn't a drone?
@@SimpleFlyingNews Putin will answer for this.
@@Rtv2038You might want to book a flight to Russia, many many times over, just to increase your chances.
😉
It’s no doubt that these pilots are heroes, it’s amazing that so many managed to survive.
That is so true
I have a feeling if biden wasn't in charge, this wouldn't have happened 🤔
@@martinsmith0168Sure kid whatever your told to believe by a con man who bankrupted 3 casino’s
@@martinsmith0168goddamn people died do you have to start with this
@@martinsmith0168 shut up american
Rip to the hero pilots. They put up a good fight and saved a lot of people. Legends of the sky
>GPS jamming and spoofing
>shrapnel damages at the aircraft's tail section
Yup, definitely a bird strike.
Yep, and at 30,000 feet.
ukrainian mech suicide birds
Turbines do explode and also make similar patterns when the pepper the body. Probably wait for actual evidence, surface to air missiles are easily tracked, and no real news source is making these claims.
Russia confirmed minutes ago that the survivors are suicidal 😂😂😂😂
Ok but then why would russia shoot down their own plane, and it was supposed to enter Russia, so the pilots had authorisation from the ground control
They would not have taken off it they didnt have authorisation
that was some pretty explosive metal pack of birds
Some wolverine pigeons
Jesus 💯 😂
It is a strike but not a bird . more like a bear strike .
A flock of Woodpeckers...OK..METALpeckers..
Notice the bullet-like holes on the fuselage, as well as inside the cabin before the crash (from survivor’s video)
Its pretty straight forward what happened. There was incoming drones from ukraine in the area. Russian air defense crews made a mistake and hit the plane with a pantsir sam. The shrapnel damage to the tail section is consistent with the damage a pantsir sam would do.
engine blade containment failure
@@demoncloud6147 Of course! 🤪
Those must have been really solid birds.
I like how Russian news was immediately like "it waz a flock of birds, guyz".
Facepalm.
I suspect russian trolls are trying to push at least 10 different and false accounts of what happened.
Shot by russian air defence system. And yes, again and again.
Surprising the tail section survived the impact
I seen a video some years back saying that’s the spot that has the highest chance of survival during a plane crash
I also saw a documentary saying that you have the highest survival rate in the tale of an aircraft. And you also have the opportunity of off boarding first through the rear doors.
Typically the tail usually stays intact
@@NoteRedOSC why surprising? You never hear of an airplane reversing into a mountain
@@hollywoodslym sounds about right, since most crash would be a nose dive. The most dangerous seats would be the ones in the middle and directly behind the cockpit.
It was shot down
Can you at least verify this with a credible source? All other news outlets are saying that the pilots lost control and the engines froze.
@@_Just_Another_Guyyeah Ivan
@_Just_Another_Guyyes investigation found out the fuselage was damaged by bullet holes.
The plane had reached an altitude of at least 30,000 ft. Birds typically do not fly that high. Some can, but they typically fly much, much lower.
@@_Just_Another_Guy you can clearly see the tail section has shrapnel damage. Footage from inside the plane also shows puncher holes in the cabin. Seconds before the crash you can also see that none of the flaps, slats or spoilers were deployed. Tie that in with flight pattern, it points to all control systems having failed from from the shrapnel projectiles hit them. Birds and weather cannot lead to all control systems failing for the pilots to lose control like that. This is an open & shut case because the evidence is clear as day.
The fact that it crashed with the flaps up, with no visible movement of the flight controls and obvious phugoid oscillations caught on video points to a total loss of hydraulic power, probably from the numerous shrapnel wounds peppering the aircraft.
- GPS Jamming near Grozny
- Pilots divert course away from Grozny even though it's way closer than Kazakhstan, and not beyond a few hundred km of water
- Apparent Phugoid motion before the crash
- Strange wavey course over the Caspian Sea
- Passengers report an explosion outside the craft
- Apparent shrapnel damage on the rear fuselage and stabilizers
We all know what happened here. The russians mistook this thing for a drone, and decided to shoot it down.
Yeah you know, because the Russians, with the best SAM systems in the world, mistook a passenger plane with transponders for being a drone. What a leap in logic there.
@@V_for_Vovin Russians don't care
U are literally a fool in the making kid just a few days ago USA literally shot down their own fa18 by mistaking it as an enemy aircraft@@V_for_Vovin
@@V_for_VovinYeah best sam systems and still mistook a airline for a drone that is literally shameful
@@pandibbarman I bet you believe anything you're told. I bet you think the Russians have been sinking their own merchant ships over the past week, despite the saboteur explosions. I'm a bit more suspicious of Ukrainian intelligence that has stated that they are carrying out this campaign, while having a history of such terrorist attacks since NATO took over in 2014.
Rest in peace dear Pilot Martyrs, bizim şehitler! 🇦🇿🇹🇷💔🙏
Looks like they had some compromised controls, Ia assume the tail damage also includes hydraulic lines and electrical wiring
No manual control apart from undercart release, no flaps. Looks like total loss of hydraulics.
The pilots fought really hard and did an incredible job despite the tragedy. To see the plane rapidly increasing and decreasing in altitude like that but they still managed to decrease speed and keep the aircraft somewhat level to land it in such a manner that half of the plan and dozens survived is incredible.
Embraer 190 an incredible and such well built plane...
"It was on December 25th that an Azerbaijan Airlines Embraer E190 crashed while attempting to make an emergency landing after losing its pitch and yaw ability due to an accidental surface to air missle strike." fixed that for you
you sure it was accidental?
Surface to air missiles are easily tracked. And no legitimate media is making such a claim
That was no accident. That is what we call "criminal negligence." Not an accident. The Russians always know what they are doing and why. They just do an extremely crappy job of it.
@mrgregsir007 I agree with you if the Russians actually did it. Why are Ukrainian drones operating in this area and from where have they been launched. The missile was likely Russian made (or Iranian clone) but the origin of manufacture ≠ shooter.
@iceman9678 they were targeting the airport in Chechnya where the plane was going. The Russians just shoot at everything. They had scramble gps etc. So no radar or atc type data.
In Aviation, i think 2024 starts with a 💥 and ends with a 💥. The fact that the tail section of the E190 was not completely destroyed was incredible but it would tell the investigators an important clue. Glad that some passengers and crew survive this tragedy.
That's true and it's sad about 2024 😢
@@AviationHandling 2025.....
Yeah
Still didn't end unfortunately. Today a South Korean plane crashed due to a landing gear problem. 😢
The tail section is usually the part that will have survivors if any part at all.
The birds pecked such holes, just like from the striking elements of the air defense
Azerbaijan Airlines is one of my fav airlines, so tragic
If that's a joke...
@@JakeLewis-gl9sw Why should it be a joke?
One of the best airlines. They fly safe, even at their last moment they try to save people's lifes in situations like this :(
Awful incident. Those poor people.
Clearly shrapnel holes.
Except no legitimate news source is making this claim...
@@AnarchyEnsuesoh wow, news not reporting something. Who’d have thought
@911HRW dude... The news loves reporting on accusations against Russia...and no one is making the accusations yet..
azerbaijan is clearly in the American axis, so won't be shy with their findings.
@@AnarchyEnsues no, media is being very careful here. they wont point fingers.
@@GrimYak which tells you what?. Maybe it isn't a Sam... And just an turbine blowing the hell up.a million pieces turning at an ungodly speed also looks like this when it falls apart
Hmm, GPS jamming and spoofing. Birds. Weather. Attacks by Russian forces. A lot of confusion, nothing good.
the jamming was due to drone attack and the plane was shot down by muscovy air defence same as MH17 in 2014, nothing confusing.
@@MuscovitesNightmareI am glad you have the best knowledge what happened to that plane 😂😂😂😂😂 investigating from the basement 😂😂😂😂
@@BigLubowski57vuruldu ama tabi kapatacaklar olayı
@@MuscovitesNightmare if it was shot down by the same air defence, the plane would of disintegrated mid-air the same as mh17.
@@BigLubowski57 no one asked you, degenerate troll
Stop the "could have been" and nonsense. At this point there is no reasonable doubt that the Russians shot down the aircraft. Here are the facts:
1. The rudder, elevator and rear end of the aircraft show absolutely typical AA shrapnel damage: Smaller entry holes with inward-bent edges, larger exit holes with ragged edges that aren't bent inwards on the other side.
2. Footage from inside the aircraft before the crash shows damage on the rear end of a fuel tank, damage that cannot possibly be caused by bird strike or an engine explosion. The damage can only have been caused by a strike from behind or below. Furthermore, it shows suspicious fragments on the floor that could very well be shrapnel.
3. Footage from inside and outside before the crash show no smoke from the engines, which excludes an engine explosion or a bird getting sucked into one of the engines.
4. Footage from outside before the crash shows no damage on the nose or front edges of the wings that would be typical of bird strikes.
5. The up-and-down movements of the aircraft in its approach clearly indicate that it was hard to control due to the damaged elevator and rudder, not GPS jamming or spoofing (pilots are well capable of making a controlled visual approach without the help of GPS and/or ILS as long as the avionics work properly, so that hypothesis is clearly made-up bullshit). You can clearly see that the pilots are fighting to prevent the aircraft from stalling.
6. There was an ongoing drone attack at Grosny when the aircraft attempted to land there, and there is precedent for incompetent Russian AA soldiers shooting down civilian as well as friendly military aircraft. The Russians failed to close the concerned airspace, which renders an accidental attack on a civilian aircraft very plausible and probable.
7. Despite the fact that Grosny would have been the closest airport when the aircraft's problems occurred, they flew across the entire Caspian Sea with a broken rudder and elevator. This is completely against regulations and only makes sense if either the Russians sent them out hoping they would crash into the sea and leave no evidence of their attack, or the pilots decided it was more dangerous to attempt an emergency landing in Grosny than in Aktau because the Russians might fire at them again.
Conclusion: This aircraft was shot down beyond reasonable doubt, and the only AA in range were Russian. Another heinous crime against humanity committed by the fascist empire of Russia. This conclusion also corroborates with the first assessments by international avionics and military experts. Anyone who seriously doubts it is highly suspicious of willingly supporting a classical fake Russian propaganda narrative.
U wrote a lot u HAVE A LOT OF PROOF ngl
it was weather that caused it do divert
Finally, someone with a brain.
@@atriggeredsjw8532 I think you missed the short bus.
Your lack of aviation knowledge is on display.
1. This could be AA shrapnel, we shall see - it isn't sufficient damage to be from a larger air defense system such as the BUK, maybe a MANPAD.
2. That isn't the fuel tank, it's the flap fairing. It can be damaged by an uncontained engine failure.
3. Engines don't smoke if they had an uncontained failure (in fact, unless they're actively on fire a jet engine will not smoke), you can find videos of other aircraft in similar situations from a sudden internal explosion in the engine.
4. Birds can hit anywhere on a plane, there was also no nose damage to the aircraft that famously crashed into the Hudson River after it struck a large number of birds. The bird strike information was based on a radio call from the crew, and they may be mistaken or they may have actually hit birds - we shall see.
5. I don't think anyone is claiming the movements of the aircraft are from GPS spoofing/jamming. It's clearing a loss of pitch control. This does not remove the fact that GPS spoofing/jamming was occurring in the region around Grozny.
6. Have we seen any evidence of this drone attack? I've looked everywhere for it and found no information on it whatsoever, except as it relates to this accident as posted by UA-cam "experts".
7. Grozny airport was reporting low visibility and fog at the time of the aircraft's arrival, the report indicates the crew initially planned to divert to Makhachkala. The possible accident occurred during the approach or low altitude phase of flight during the missed approach or diversion. I don't think anyone has any information on when the crew initially signaled a problem and many just assume they were at cruise altitude.
Your conclusion, while possibly correct, is neither base don facts nor any practical knowledge of aviation, please cite the "experts" stating this an infallible truth - and no, UA-camrs speculating off two to four still images for those sweet sweet views would not constitute "experts". When people say "anyone that disagrees with me is a Russian propagandist" they only feed the narrative the Russians want, that they're the last bastion of critical thinking and reasonable thought.
Not a bird strike.. a missile fragments strike
The Pilots Are Heroes. They Saved Lives. If this is indeed a military accident? it's tragic. War Sucks
Thank you RuZZians.
God rest the souls of the victims and brings solace to their families
AMEN 🙏🏻💙
Russians again ?????
Probably not
Definitely Russia again, SAM system, due to shrapnel seen on the outside
Hmmmm...
you sure that's not some manipulation? I don't trust any media.
And frankly doubt if we ever find out what's really happening.
Yup, shrapnel holes in the tail.
Why would Russia shoot down their own plane?
And + there is way to little shrapnel to be a missile
The 190 suffered rudder and tail damage, namely to the vertical wing cintrol .. the Pilot mentioned he was having problems controlling the 190,s behaviour in the air.
This 190 was definitely the victim of a Russian defence missile attack, the pepper hole damage is the classic proof!!!!
It seems thus is collateral damage from the Ukrainian, Russian war!!
Good to see Azerbaijan agree their 190 was attacked by Russia... And not the first time ?
My sincere condolences to the Government and Azerbaijan Airlines and the families who have lost their loved ones in thus terrible attack on a commercial aircraft.
Actions ALWAYS have Consequences in life, i pray that Russia will do the rught thing and own full responsibility for this unprevoked attack.
We are all praying with you Azerbaijan 🙏🙏🙏🙏
God bless you and give you strength in these terrible times Amen. 🙏☹️☹️☹️☹️🇬🇧🇬🇧
These pilots are my Heroes today...
Controling a plane with important tail damage is a science,an art,and require tons of experience,cold blood,and saving 29 lives in these conditions is the result of all of that ....
R.I.P.
You are now flying with the angels.Respect.😢
Heroes of My Azerbaijan:
Igor Kshnyakin - Aircraft Commander
Alexander Kalyaninov - Aircraft Co-Pilot
Hokuma Aliyeva - Crew Member
Eternal memory! May Allah grant them mercy!
Igor, are you sure that's an Ukrainian drone?
Igor: Fire and forget!
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stop those jokes.
can you not at least show respect for victims?
Your sub is breaking new limits,now flight level -400!
Sarcasm is no joke.
😂
Taken down by an SAM the multiple holes are the give away,. The Russians use a class of SAM that gets close to the target and explodes causing hundreds to thousands of shot gun like ball bearings to scatter around punching through solid objects in the path of them moving. The hole pattern is identical to such systems used.
yup, they did it again. 🐻
Mh17 flashbacks...
There’s no reason to say quote unquote whatsoever.
does anybody know why there were many golf ball and tennis ball size holes on the port side wing and fuselage?
As it's supposedly a "bird strike" they must have picked them into the tail section with their beaks before returning to the wing section striking those engines.
Impressive birds these Pantsirs.
Maybe because that's where the missile exploded.
Condolences to the affected famiies
Oh it got hit by a bird. An SA-6.
I would prefer not to speculate until a preliminary report is published. Condolences with those who died. RIP 💐
I do agree with not jumping to conclusions, however, shrapnel holes entering the airframe from outside as indicated by the direction the metal is bent around those holes is incriminating. The appearance is similar to photos of the reconstructed MH117 airframe. Pootlerstan does have a history of being irresponsible. Let us see what the investigation finds.
@daledavies2334 Despite circumstantial evidence, we must not forget current situation, political bias and exposed several high profile false flag operations. Who is the beneficiary of this crime?
Probably a case of mistaken identity. Thinking the Embrear aircraft was a drone.
before anyone starts saying russia is rubbish,ever heard of iran 655?
"Were those 20-mm or 40-mm birds?"
look to me...shrapnel damage to all the control surfaces which would have caused them to loose all hydraulic fluid, sadly this type of aircraft relies on hydraulics, without it the pilots wouldnt have been able to move the ailerons or vertical stabiliser, by the looks of the flight track and the occilations i would imagine the pilots were trying to use differential thrust of the engines in an effort to steer the aircraft. devastating RIP
>best sam system in the world
>couldn't recognize civilian aircraft
What happened?
There is a big difference between a plane and a drone
RIP to all peolpe who died in this crash. Its incredible how the pilots keept the plane so long in air without flightcontrols or a little bit controls and the thrustlevers. That reminds me on UAL232 and JAL123.
Are you guys working on a video about the stowaway on the United 787 from O'Hare to Maui?
So unfortunate😔
Surprised this channel didn't analyze the data. Another aviation channel did explaining the flight behavior was that of hydraulic failure. Then showed video evidence of what looks to be anti-aircraft damage to tail.
This was a 3 minute report, not a detailed analysis of all the data, and they did give credence to the possibility that the plane was shot down. At least they didn't sugarcoat it and try to deny the evidence.
If you're surprised that a three and a half minute video didn't do an in-depth analysis of data, you're world is going to be rocked to the core when you find out that the easter bunny isn't real. Buckle up for that one.
Nothing has to do with birds, but the question is the possibilities of these damages happened by the explosion on the ground and all the debris after the ground contact !???
Which type of ground contact can pierce through whole plane sections?
No people would ever survive plane crashes if that would be true.
It appears that the turbine engine was damaged and shattered into pieces. According to the footage, the engine failure was caused by a bird. Don't make unreasonable accusations. Even Russia knows that they would not target civilians, let alone commercial aircraft.
Hey Joey those birds over where you live in russia have very strong beaks
Funny how the engines appeared to be working and producing thrust.
Nothing in footage shows engine failure caused by a bird.
Russia has more than once shot down civilian airliners believing them to be something else.
Your trolling is weak.
@@jimbobeire its a russian bot what do you expect?
RIP😢😢😢
Funny. I don’t remember seeing shrapnel fragment punctures on Captain sully’s A320. And I’ve seen it in the museum up close. What a “bird” strike.
You've done it again Russia.
MH17 and now this??
They also shot down a korean boeing 747 over kamtjatka during soviet era
When will airlines learn not to fly over active warzones?
Thanks biden.
u boris
LMAO, Russki.
@@thecomedypilot5894
@@victorchen9170Grozny is far away from a War zone. When Will Russia learn to close airspace properly?
Bird strike mmm,… so, it was a bird who launched the missile… gotcha!
For the plane tail to be full of dirt and be upsidedown means it touched ground before to locate it ended at, yet theres no land scar of the touch
I was surprised that people were walking out of the wreckage...
No way a sam operator can mistake a medium aircraft for a drone on radar.. likely drunk
The missile could have turned away from its intended target, happens with seeker missiles.
You're grasping at straws, Boris. Nice try.
@@jantjarks7946
@@jantjarks7946 Or the targetted drone could have been close to the aircraft when it was hit.
@@Hjtrne Considering the speed of airliners, that would have to be a very fast, thus capable drone. That's not impossible, but I at least wouldn't expect it.
I would rather expect a false identification and subsequent shoot down.
Remembering Malaysia Airlines flight 17. Boeing 777. 😢
does anyone have the flight's passenger list handy?
May All rest in peace, condolences to all the families
Wild, I think this might be the first ever E190 to crash. I'm not even sure any mainline commercial Embraer has had a crash.
Henan Airlines Flight 8387: Pilot error though, so still not Embraers fault. They do have a great operational history.
Some E-jets have crashed, but none ever were due to a failure caused by the aircraft construction, in all honest, its insane that this 190 survived the missile
My sincere condolences to the victims families ♥️🙏🏻
Plane crashes with severe shrapnel damage
Russia: Birdstrike! look it's a birdstrike! Birdstrike I tell you!
Heartfelt condolences to the vi ctim's families.😢😢😢
0:58 dont tell me what this looks like
Tail sections shows signs of a possible proximity fused shrapnel damage, Russia responding quickly post crash, and area of event in close proximity to current war all puts doubt to bird strike as the cause. GPS jamming is a serious issue especially at night, but by day the pilot still has visual and radio connection and can revert to training and fly without gps so the GPS as a cause is unlikely. It all comes back full circle to examine the remains of the plane and I am sure the tail with visible damage will be the center of investigation. It comes down to how Azerbaijan is going to proceed and if they will decide to continue to play ball with russia and cover it all up.
Even at night, losing the GPS isn't an issue. The plane is equipped with IRS. And you still have some VOR and TACAN to correct the deviation accumulated on the IRS.
When I use to fly as a CC, we always get GPS jamming over the east of Turkey, Syria and Iraq.
We could be withtout GPS for up to one hour.
@@jiggythibs I agree with you, And my position on the matter is more on the proximity fused weapon that disabled or partially disabled the tail section. I should have rephrased the comment because I was not trying to mean it could have been the issue just was poorly phrased to mirror my ridicule of the russians for trying to use it as the reason. I should have said GPS jamming is a serious issue but not enough to be an instant struggle of life or death scenario.
Blame the auto mode on the air defense system not being able to identify a civilian aircraft.
And AZAL, why would you actually operate scheduled civil flights into a region subject to such drone and defense activities ?
Uhuh, if the news says the Kazakhstan passenger plane was hit by Russian missile, Russia will be held accountable for this . Karma is on the way to Russia
Azerbaijani side claims and knows that palne is shot down
Were there any survivors in the front I wonder.
If it was a Boeing, itd have crashed at the first impact
Revisit the story of Ukraine Airlines flight 752. You'll see how that 737-800 crashed after being shot down in Iran.
@@angelorobel12mind sending a link? Now I am genuinely curious to know as I assumed It had the same fate of MH17
The day after Christmas 🎄 turned into a massive airplane crash in Kazakhstan.
"Potin, what have you done?"
At this point I think they should give Russian military personnel binoculars and glasses cause they can't differentiate between a passenger plane and drone
I’m sure most of the survivors were seated in the rear section of the plane!
If this Azerbaijan E190 was shot down, do any of you think this is similar to Ukraine Airlines flight 752 when a 737 was shot down in Iran in 2020?
When you try to fly on Christmas:
Was there anyone onboard Putin didn't like?
The world.
Civilian airplanes like this E190 are very common in the USA and elsewhere. They are not hardened and as such are very susceptible to any missile strike. Maybe some lesser weapons system was used. The whole plane had shrapnel over it; AMD get close to damage incoming missiles.
The E190 is very well built, the altitude were the missile impacted is only compatible with the Pantsir, no small missile at all.
@@thelongsongfemboyedition7939 Many ABMs have specs similar to the Pantsir. How can you be sure its a Pantsir?
I do not understand why the Azerbaijan Airlines Embraer E190 airplane was at the Russian city of Grozny in the first place because it was closed, as RT reported. If I were the pilot, I would not go to a closed airport.
An Azerbaijan Airlines passenger plane that crashed in Kazakhstan this week had to be diverted away from the Russian city of Grozny because the airport there was temporarily closed due to Ukrainian drone attacks, Dmitry Yadrov, the head of Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency, has said. Poor weather conditions also contributed to problems on the ground, he added.
Triste pelo acontecimento, feliz por ter sobreviventes, que é um milagre.
My dad almost died
Was he on the plane.
So tragic on Christmas Day
You right comrade
The Caspian Sea region needs to be off-limits to aerial attacks. There's far too many neutral countries and flights in the region. Ukraine conducted multiple kamikaze drone strikes in Chechnya in December 2024 alone.
If Ukraine wants to target Russia with aerial attacks in the neighborhood, then it should restrict itself to the Northwest Caucasus alone.
Russia have no trouble attacking the border of Ukraine with Poland and Romania.
If Russia want it to stop, get out of Ukraine, or, at least learn a simple skill such as differentiating a drone from a massive airliner(by comparison), and then learn how to properly close aerospace instead of pretending everything is fine.
There is only one to blame, Russia and Russia alone.
New age of trade and cooperation
Embrear save.
Very aggressive birds
It seems like no lessons were learnt from KAL007 or MH17
A month ago ( 25 NOV 2024 ) swift air 737 crashed
Embraer E-190 Very Strong
Screw that!!!
Russia's aviation watchdog said Friday that an Azerbaijan Airlines plane which crashed in Kazakhstan on Wednesday had decided to reroute from its original destination in Chechnya amid dense fog and a local alert over Ukrainian drones.
Dont send the black boxes to anywhere in Russia.
damadge to the tail and wings? 🤔🤔 seems more like a shoot down to me, than a brid strike. RIP to those lost in this crash, those pilots did everything they could to keep that plane flying to try and do an emergency landing
FOI ABATIDO !
Uh huh, and Russia also blew up the NordStream pipelines...right.
u boris