excellent breakdown as always. i love how these are structured by traits and each trait grade is backed up by multiple examples on tape, sometimes filmheads tend to zone in on a particular strength or weakness, which skews the overall perception of a player and gives way to sensationalism. this is how fair and level-headed analysis should be done
An honest Caleb breakdown. Great job Joe. A lot of guess work here on how he projects for anyone breaking him down because everything is out of structure, nothing looks NFL. Keep these breakdowns coming!
He’s always out of structure bc he IS afraid of getting hit. He’s going to have a very rough transition to NFL. Finally seeing an honest take. He is nothing special but worse is his mental wiring which I think he struggles with adversity, seeks to control too much, and gets easily frustrated when things don’t go his way. I question his ability to learn quickly enough in an NFL system. He has a huge amount of natural talent, but his traits in personality which are apparent in things that people slough off ( no agent, nail painting vulgar words, crying in moms arms) show not only a remarkable lack of maturity, but a scary portrayal of a bust like Manziel. Bears aren’t taking Caleb. Seems like Lincoln Riley and Kliff babied and coddled him. It perplexes me they had such a horrible team, with seemingly good players not wanting to play on the team with him. He has a way of hogging the spotlight, while pretending to want to stay in the background. Why was he allowed to get away with not talking to media , as if he owned USC. His dad wanton ownership in an NFL team, is someone who brought him up as a likely spoiled brat. I think Caleb thinks he’s a lot better than he actually is, especially bragging about being able to do everything Mahomes can do. Bears stick with Justin. Far more humble, far stronger, more courage, handles adversity without complaining, faster and bigger than Caleb, and not afraid to take hits. Leader in the locker room, which I doubt Caleb will be capable of that innately.
@@specialist-in-tech completely agree. But it’s all relative, the ball does explode out of his hand, have you seen the Jayden Daniel’s tape? It’s comically bad. Half his drop backs he bails on clean pockets.
Man some people are just slow are offensive line wasn't that bad lol when healthy teven Jenkins is a top 5 gaurd Darnell White we drafted number 11 overall right takle is going to be a star Braxton Jones is a good left tackle not elite but good enough so right guard an center are my only issues I think we up graded from last year from the center position we signed a center that pff ranks higher at the center position then what we had plus we got stud weapons on the out side dj Moore keenan allen plus Cole kmet that had over 700 yards an can block up front plus we have Roshant johnson that's a good blocker for a running back to help out with max protection so even it it's not perfect up front we have other ways to help the qb out
@@AnthonyvegaVegabruh they’ll say our offensive line is awful then show tape of Justin taking an eternity to get rid of the ball. You need a good offensive line in order to take too long to get rid of the ball
@@TheSuperkeithg About that, as someone who can remove fandom from their ability to analyze (I'm a huge Russ fan, but if he can't regain his ability to scramble in the pocket to gain a vantage point from where he can see the field then I don't want him to embarrass himself on the field ever again), you're wrong about Fields. If he never did this in college ua-cam.com/video/5JO1PsupF_U/v-deo.html then you have to figure out where he started doing it & why. About week 5 of '22 Fields spasmodically stopped himself throwing to a Wide-Open Receiver for the First Time. I _know_ it was the first time because it was _so_ out of character that Eberflus had to wave-chop his hand like an angry father for weeks afterwards to shut down any questions about this because Fields did this at least two more times in that game he first did this in, each time unnaturally. & the Bears didn't take him into concussion protocol. This was a dead giveaway, & even Fields haters at the time knew it because the excuse they made was "the Bears _had to do this_ to simplify the offense for Fields." *How* is having to wait until you can read a jersey #, remembering if it belongs to a receiver you can throw to or not on This Play simpler than throwing to whichever receiver is open? The problem we have from this point on is we can never know when Fields is holding onto the ball because he doesn't see the receiver, is trying to remember which one he's not supposed to throw to or is this close to having a total breakdown because his own HC is overtly sabotaging him & not the fans, his teammates etc. will give him Any Support? He called them out on this publicly, twice! & no one said anything. Not only that, the press didn't even respond to the fact that no one on the team responded. Can you _imagine? Remember when Mac Jones was caught seeking outside help from the Pats? If Bill responded by Saying Nothing then we'd all know immediately that Jones was gone. We'd _KNOW_ this without a doubt. So Fields' own team owner, HC & GM all gave him the signs that they were moving on from him Multiple Times & openly sabotaged him In Games. Fans have a tendency to change the narratives & mentally move on but I remember how this played out in the time it happened. Like most new HCs & GMs Poles & 'Flus wanted Fields gone _because_ he was from the old régime or for whatever reason. But they weren't *subtle* about it.
Even before I watch the video- which I'm excited to watch, let me give you my take on why I am underwhelmed by Caleb Williams. Let's start with the fact that Lincoln Riley is not the "quarterback whisperer." Riley had some interesting schemes when he went to Oklahoma that worked. But he never taught the fundamentals of mechanics and leadership to any of his "award winning quarterbacks." I'll reveal I am an Oklahoma alum, but set that aside. Baker Mayfield was "fully formed" when Riley arrived. Riley didn't take him under his wing. Kyler Murray was in the same quarterback room as Mayfield and benefited from film study and schematics but he was an original talent on his own. And Jalen Hurts? His time at Alabama gave him the fundamentals to lead an offense. All he needed to do was improve his passing skills. We couldn't tell much about Williams in his freshman year because Riley was off interviewing with Southern Cal. We thought he was good, had good potential and we were looking at bright days ahead until Riley snuck out of town before the break of dawn. I watched every Southern Cal game that was available both years Williams was at So Cal. I didn't see any development in discipline in utilizing the pocket or in developing complex timing routes. What I saw was a quarterback that either didn't see his "reads," didn't like them, or wasn't confident to deliver the ball in tight windows. I saw a quarterback that was quick to pull the ball down and begin to scramble pell-mell without any rhyme or reason. The passing play suddenly became street ball where he was waving receivers open down the field or he was tucking and running instead of forcing the defense to defend against the pass. The thought went through my head that "this kid is going to get eaten up in the NFL" without the discipline to stay in the drive concept on a fresh set of downs. Whether he started at his own 20 or his opponents' 40 yard line, Williams was erratic and undisciplined. Without question he wasn't coached properly and I was not surprised to see the Trojans crater in 2023. Lincoln Riley, for all his bally-hoo, is not a seasoned head coach. Bob Stoops, the man he replaced, was the CEO of the Sooners. He only won 191 games against 48 losses. Riley will never coach that many Division I games. We should be glad he was exposed as a fraud in college football. Had he been hired to coach an NFL team he would be roadkill. Every NFL team should be wary of Williams. He's a raw talent; the skills are there to develop but he definitely is a "project" to learn the pro game. I laughed my butt off when I heard he wanted a percentage of the Bears' ownership in his rookie contract. The kid has had too much money, too many slaps on the back and too many hours admiring himself in the mirror. Is he still teachable? Good question.
I think Caleb will be a handful for anyone who risks taking him. It’s questionable that he’s even coachable at this juncture. Will he be willing to play in structure. The hype surrounding him makes it a super high risk for any nfl team that drafts him, bc fan expectations will be off the charts. Then the coaches will be blamed, or other players, or whatever if expectations aren’t met. You almost can’t even risk sitting the guy behind someone for even part of year, bc he’s been made out by these sports media pundits to be the next coming of Mahomes. I wouldn’t touch the guy with a 10 foot pole, if I were a GM. I hope poles doesn’t get pushed into taking him, and they will listen to reviews like Merrill hoges, etc. the only way the bears and poles are true to their word with field is if they get a real offensive line put together, and add two top notch receivers, and Waldron coaches him up and does some play calling that emphasizes his skills. They’ve come all this way with fields and to just drop him for the next shiney toy seems like a total waste. Watch videos from Adam mason, and Chase Daniels on Fields. He has made progress each year despite having a horrible offensive line, and really only two decent receiving options finally in his 3rd year. He should really be graded as a 2nd year Qb with the coaching changes and the disaster that poles inherited. Many many talented players around the league have said you keep and build around Justin. That’s on both sides of the ball. They know he’s gotten a raw deal, and a team known for bad QB choices, but they’ve never had the organizational structure to develop QBs. All the coaches they hired this off season on offense is the first time they’ve ever put that kind of coaching team together to potentially build that. It would be cool to see that take off next season with a big step by Justin and the offense with the right players added to the mix. They have most of what they need on defense. Now it’s time to spend big on offense. DJ moore was a good, but small start last season. As was extending Cole kmet. But it’s the o line that stunk up the joint. Poles should know better. He’s got to use these picks and salary cap wisely this off season. Not get caught up in the hype of Caleb or any of these QBs.
I agree with you 100! NFL gonna be rude awakening 4 him...he doesnt have it mentally to thrive in nfl...his teammates not gonna like him and all his antics
BUST!! He never had to read defenses...90% of the time he faced poor defenses where his WR way more talented than the db covering...he throws into huge windows or 50-50 balls where his wr have huge adv...he melted down after losing...he looked avg everytime he faced real D...he is immature and his dad is nitemare...nfl locker rooms not gonna like him at all
I’ll admit I’m more an NFL guy and only really pay attention to college for draft purposes, but Williams has been a topic since last year so he’s been on my mind. From what I’ve seen I just can’t shake that unless you sit this guy for 2 years minimum and just recraft him, he’s a massive bust waiting to happen. There’s a real chance he might even refuse to be part of the draft because let’s be real no team is taking his “I want part ownership” demand seriously In short he’s a project at best, a straw QB at worst. Now I could be 100% wrong and this guy has a HOF career, but from what we’ve seen from what you as usual helped me see in detail, he just does not have what it takes yet to play NFL calibre football.
Love the “part owner” bit, lol 😂 These guys need to realize the team, the brand, is the product. It isn’t the player. Yeah, they have talent, but there’s tons of talent and people will watch their team. If every player in the NFL disappeared, in a year’s time, there will be a whole new NFL worth of players and the fans will show up. I’ve been watching forever and Montana retired, Marino retired, Elway, Favre, Manning, Brees, Brady…. The game goes on. Williams isn’t owning anything
He is definitely talented (and has the tools), but I don’t like his attitude and ego. Is he going to be able to handle adversity if things don’t go his way?? I don’t know. Maybe he will get into the NFL and prove me wrong, but I’ve just got this gut feeling he will end up busting. I’m not an expert, and I don’t pretend to be. Just my opinion.
Great film breakdown! Also a bears fan here. Have you done one of these or mahones from his Texas tech days? I’m wondering how similar he was to this? Or was he special? Or was he like this and it took the right coaching staff (Andy Reid) to make him successful? Might be a good video idea.
I didn't grade QBs this intensely back then. I liked Mahomes a lot in the draft, but I do think it's been crucial to his reputation that he plays in Andy Reid's brilliant offense
Another Bears fan here and I'm afraid that drafting Williams is gonna set the Bears back years. He still seems to be a smaller, slower version of the qb that we just gave away to the Steelers, Justin Fields. If they didn't like Justin despite the chaotic franchise, why draft someone with a similar game? I'm not a Drake Maye fan but at least he's a different type of qb. Caleb just seems like Justin-lite.
What are your thoughts on Caleb's style for the Bears? It seems to me like the staff there wanted Fields to be a traditional passer, they spent most of his time there shoe-horning him into a traditional role, and now they are going to draft a playmaker? I don't think anything shown in this video for Caleb is a good fit for the Bears coaching staff.
Caleb is a lot like Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson, so he *can* run Waldron's McVay Offense. That being said, I don't think it's his best fit, nor do I think he's the best option for them. I'd strongly prefer Drake Maye in that system. JJ McCarthy might be a better option, too. Caleb isn't the best QB in this draft, nor is he the best fit, but he's still good.
Atrocious college football defenses made Bryce Young a 1st overall pick smh. Caleb Williams padded his stats and highlights vs horrific defenses that are nothing like the NFL
@@Ballin-97 he has top 10 potential. He has no one good on his roster. If you swapped cj and Bryce young Career you would be saying the same thing about cj
I appreciate that you take strong stances and don't "hedge" much. Might come off abrasive sometimes, but it's far better than so much of the wishy-washy discussion that passes for "analysis" nowadays. Your content makes me even more pissed that the Giants couldn't get the trade-up done for Maye. Good stuff man
I am admittedly a Caleb Williams (and Bears) fan but I couldn't disagree with you more on the play at the 20:05 mark. It might be Cover-2 but it's inverted and the Corner is the other half field defender. The corner not only has a running start to play the seam better but he knows the LB is running up the seam and is gonna force Caleb to put touch on that ball in order to layer it in between the 2nd and 3rd level of the defense giving him -- the corner -- time to make a play on the ball. Not to mention you don't know how this play is taught by Lincoln Riley so saying he was wrong in looking at the WR on the top of the screen on Caleb's part is conjecture and should be qualified as such. I'm watching your video because I think it's important to collect different opinions but let's not put the onus on the QB to meet unrealistic expectations.
1st of all, I really appreciate your engagement with the actual analysis. It's awesome to be able to talk ball with someone rather than defend myself against casual fans spewing voodoo rhetoric instead of sticking to the film. 2. Regardless of how the cover 2 manifests itself, under no circumstances should any play ever call for a QB to look at a short curl as his 1st read when facing press coverage. Much less when you have a slot post and a streak. If it's split coverage, the post is read 1. If it's man or cover 3, the streak is the first look. Either way, Caleb was wrong, causing him to miss 2 wide open receivers. His consequent hesitation then led to a bad sack.
My point is that while he may be wrong, its important to qualify conclusions like this that you don't know with 100% certainty how he was taught to read out this particular play. And the way the C2 manifests itself is important, not necessarily to where he takes his eyes, but I disagree that he "misses" two open WRs. I don't think the post is open because the outside corner has leverage on the seam. This isn't throwing a ball while the safety's momentum is carrying him away from the receiver in question. The whole reason you play C2 invert like this is to bracket the seam route. Regardless, and I understand you are higher Maye than Williams, but the tone of your respective videos on the two makes me question the objectivity. The negativity in regards to Williams feels overt. It comes across as two campaign ads, one strictly in favor of Maye and the other in opposition of Williams. @@pbfg
Well when one QB doesn't play a single good game in 2023 and the other is literally the best college QB I've ever seen... the tone is gonna be pretty drastically different. Especially considering the vastly disparate hype around each player. And frankly, I can say with 100% certainty that the curl should never have been the first read. What happens after that can be argued, but the short curl vs press coverage with split safeties is never the move.
Have you watched drake Mayes tape. Watch the bad games. Yikes. Accuracy is all of the place, he panics with the rush. Look at Jayden Daniels. His numbers and his film just wows you. Yea the arm I know. You can get stronger, and his dual threat is crazy good
@@aubrey44 I don't know why sam gets the brutal wrap that he gets. Yea he's 1:1 TD to turnover ratio but he still gives you damn near 4k yards. Just needs a lil more time to marinate
I'm VERY impressed with your analysis of film! You would hope NFL types are seeing this as well. Foe Chicago's sake, I hope they don't fall for the media hype and draft this guy. I also have serious concerns about his personality - seams quite immature and making demands instead of being humble. I'm sure you saw the movie Draft Day. He could be the next Bo Callahan, dropping in the draft due to premadonna-like attitude, refusing to throw at the Combine and take medicals with everyone else. I think you're onto something here.
Caleb’s biggest hurdle imo is that the expectations on him are simply too lofty. There are only two athletes who have possessed the mental wherewithal to be even better than the hype, not to mention meet the hype or even accomplish average feats: Lebron James and Tiger Woods. So, going by history, yeah, I’d take the under on the kid as well. We’ve seen how coming in under the radar has helped other relatively elite prospects like Mahomes, Cj stroud etc.
@@pbfgI’d love to see that breakdown because I was never high in Fields. I supported him because he was my QB but I never saw consistent placement, spiral or timing with the ball. I would tell people look at how slow the ball spins out of his hand and how many wobble in the air and people would say I’m crazy. Loved Lawrence but said he can’t play off schedule which has proven true in the league and unfortunately you have to have that now which is one of the main reasons I like Caleb. Been on him since his freshman year but this past year he showed a lot of bad habits. Think he fell into his own hype and wanted to be everything instead of just playing ball like 2022.
@@pbfg i have all there games of film. I swear it feels like you’re just blatantly ignoring shit. Vtech, pitt, Virginia, Miami. Horrendous downfield accuracy. Duke game, WRs slowing down. His pocket presence isn’t nowhere near advanced as Caleb. It’s ok to like Maye but this shit is fully of blatant lies.
You're not being harsh man... the league is just scared shitless of Mahomes and they want the next best thing coz they sure ain't getting him... ever =)) Chiefs fan here :P
Yeah let’s just do what we’ve done over and over again and draft a new qb. Haven’t we learned enough from Mitch? How are we so unlucky and Green Bay is so lucky? It’s almost like we suck ass at developing QBs. We finally find one that’s improving and you think we need to just start over again with our development team and management?
I liked Drake Maye more first for his height and size. But after watching more Caleb film and not being as bias I like him better. If I’m not mistaken I don’t think any of Williams o linemen or WRs will be drafted #1 hell maybe not even #2 or drafted at all. Also his defense was bad. I feel like fields being around all those good/great guys in college hide how mediocre he is as a passer. Hell Williams has 3k+ more yards passing than fields had in college with only 3 more games played.
Williams is MUCH better than Fields, but Williams also had MUCH better receivers & RBs than Maye. Neither USC nor UNC will have many OLmen drafted, but USC has 2 or 3 NFL WRs while UNC only had 1, and he was suspended for like 6 games.
@@pbfg thanks for the reply bro I’m so exited for April 25th to see what the Bears do. It’s a tough one I watched some of maye low lights (bad plays) last night, and they were pretty bad. But all QBs mess up, can’t wait to see what the future holds!
If you see all this then of course Poles sees it. He keeps Justin. Do not worry. The NFL guys are too fast for his game. They will destroy him. Manziel 2.0😅😅 Thanks for this.
Mate appreciate the take but you lost me at Will Levis and then to top it off with essentially “I rated cj stroud a little lower than should have” for the greatest rookie qb season ever….cmon now 😅😅😅😅😅
Pressure to sack rate is a really good stat. But a stat is just a shortcut. That's why I graded over 1000 snafus of Maye & Williams. 1.5% of Maye's dropbacks ended with a sack which I blamed on the QB. 3.9% of Williams' dropbacks ended with a sack which I blame on the QB. That's a gigantic difference.
@@pbfg I think Lincoln Riley held Caleb back, the oline was atrocious and asked Caleb to hunt down big plays, instead of moving the chains, similar to Texas tech had with Mahomes, but Caleb has consistency in his mechanics. QB1 for me
Gee, if he is overrated why does EVERY TEAM WANT HIM, and some are willing to trade unheard of compensation to get him?? Must be because you know more than them???
@@pbfgI hear you but your comments would suggest you’d take Maye over cj stroud. I find that to be an interesting take and I do think given how confident you are in it, you should be willing to make a statement that should he have anything but cj stroud’s season, your analytical skills might not be as great as imagined.
Yup, _SOME_ of them are near misses. But he has some flat-out throws that would 100% be INTs in the NFL on tape here ua-cam.com/video/5JO1PsupF_U/v-deo.html & _that_ is a *highlight reel!* Obviously the opposing D gave up on the play. But that doesn't explain the amount of times he's way off-target when not even being pressured. Funny thing about that tape. If you count the amount of times ball-placement _possibly_ causes the receiver to get tackled immediately, the other QB has all of two total such throws. Caleb has 10+ terrible throws off by inches or miles here on his highlight reel. The other QB matches or surpasses him everywhere else too, can fling the ball 50+ air yards at weird arm angles & on the run. This proves he is _not_ the Best QB Prospect Ever. This is a great case of someone in media saying something like that then media running with it. Fields is _clearly_ a better QB on that tape. I'm liking these because you're going with what You See regardless of hype. But don't get mad at my comments about Drake Maye. I don't have a list of his best & worst games, but he has enough rookie bad throws that I'm wondering how you haven't seen them. It doesn't necessarily matter though. Men's minds & bodies only finally _really start_ working together somewhere around their 23rd birthday. Peyton Manning's rookie season is the only example we have of this change coming on mid-season. Around week 11 he stops throwing INTs in a panic under pressure à la Zach Wilson & can finally repress his panic instinct long enough to Get The Job Done. Well? How old is Maye? This also might be what saved Purdy. His ability to focus in games is tremendous & I'm betting it wasn't consistent in college. So, food for thought.
Caleb Williams ball placement is on a level with Aaron Rodgers though. Williams only issue is size. He has everything else. Size matters which is why I give the nod to Drake but to call him the best QB you have ever scouted is CRAZY. Simply crazy. Drake is good and has a lot of growing up to do before he is even ranked better than Sam Howell. The best place for Maye would be a team who could sit him for 2 seasons behind a old QB like Jimmy G or Cousins . He gets put on an NFL roster that sucks and is forced to start day one I worry about his projection. The best you ever scouted.... I said things that blunt before the 2023 season about Maye and he was good through 23' but not as good as I expected.
0 elite throws versus Utah in 2022???? 1 versus ND??? That’s wild. You have some weird bias going on broseph. The fact that you highlighted CJ stroud as having red flags for character is hilarious. Not as funny as Sam Howell being a HOF talent. Yikes
The amount of slander in this comment is remarkable. 1. Where did I say Stroud had red flags for character? 2. When did I say Howell was a HoF talent? 3. Which throws did YOU think should've been elite in those two games? You're an unserious person, as evidenced by the 4 frantic comments in a 2 min span.
you are scouting this season and judging him off just that you are making mistakes . Caleb Williams is not overrated. Drake Maye is a great prospect but to say he has looked better than Williams is super uninformed. Drake Maye is my favorite QB in the class but to call what Caleb has done in college overrated you are sounding silly . Caleb has carried his teams . Drake did not at any point of his career carry his team like Williams.
It doesn't sound like you watched the video. I explained in the first 3 minutes that I watched 11 games - 6 from 2023, and 5 from 2022. And Maye clearly carried his teams at UNC. They could not move the ball without him in their bowl game. USC scored at will without Caleb.
excellent breakdown as always. i love how these are structured by traits and each trait grade is backed up by multiple examples on tape, sometimes filmheads tend to zone in on a particular strength or weakness, which skews the overall perception of a player and gives way to sensationalism. this is how fair and level-headed analysis should be done
An honest Caleb breakdown. Great job Joe. A lot of guess work here on how he projects for anyone breaking him down because everything is out of structure, nothing looks NFL. Keep these breakdowns coming!
He’s always out of structure bc he IS afraid of getting hit. He’s going to have a very rough transition to NFL. Finally seeing an honest take. He is nothing special but worse is his mental wiring which I think he struggles with adversity, seeks to control too much, and gets easily frustrated when things don’t go his way. I question his ability to learn quickly enough in an NFL system. He has a huge amount of natural talent, but his traits in personality which are apparent in things that people slough off ( no agent, nail painting vulgar words, crying in moms arms) show not only a remarkable lack of maturity, but a scary portrayal of a bust like Manziel. Bears aren’t taking Caleb. Seems like Lincoln Riley and Kliff babied and coddled him. It perplexes me they had such a horrible team, with seemingly good players not wanting to play on the team with him. He has a way of hogging the spotlight, while pretending to want to stay in the background. Why was he allowed to get away with not talking to media , as if he owned USC. His dad wanton ownership in an NFL team, is someone who brought him up as a likely spoiled brat. I think Caleb thinks he’s a lot better than he actually is, especially bragging about being able to do everything Mahomes can do. Bears stick with Justin. Far more humble, far stronger, more courage, handles adversity without complaining, faster and bigger than Caleb, and not afraid to take hits. Leader in the locker room, which I doubt Caleb will be capable of that innately.
@@specialist-in-tech completely agree. But it’s all relative, the ball does explode out of his hand, have you seen the Jayden Daniel’s tape? It’s comically bad. Half his drop backs he bails on clean pockets.
@@specialist-in-techCaleb Williams is a Chicago Bear 🐻
@@specialist-in-tech Caleb Just don't look ready right now Chicago need him to grow up fast 2024 playoffs.
prolly!
I respect your willingness to fight consensus
I seen the same thing Bro… in the NFL everything happens faster and with the Bears o-line this can be a disaster waiting to happen. Great video!
Man some people are just slow are offensive line wasn't that bad lol when healthy teven Jenkins is a top 5 gaurd Darnell White we drafted number 11 overall right takle is going to be a star Braxton Jones is a good left tackle not elite but good enough so right guard an center are my only issues I think we up graded from last year from the center position we signed a center that pff ranks higher at the center position then what we had plus we got stud weapons on the out side dj Moore keenan allen plus Cole kmet that had over 700 yards an can block up front plus we have Roshant johnson that's a good blocker for a running back to help out with max protection so even it it's not perfect up front we have other ways to help the qb out
@@AnthonyvegaVega Haha i agree the oline keeps getting blamed but they were really solid last year
@@AnthonyvegaVegabruh they’ll say our offensive line is awful then show tape of Justin taking an eternity to get rid of the ball. You need a good offensive line in order to take too long to get rid of the ball
@@TheSuperkeithg About that, as someone who can remove fandom from their ability to analyze (I'm a huge Russ fan, but if he can't regain his ability to scramble in the pocket to gain a vantage point from where he can see the field then I don't want him to embarrass himself on the field ever again), you're wrong about Fields.
If he never did this in college ua-cam.com/video/5JO1PsupF_U/v-deo.html then you have to figure out where he started doing it & why. About week 5 of '22 Fields spasmodically stopped himself throwing to a Wide-Open Receiver for the First Time. I _know_ it was the first time because it was _so_ out of character that Eberflus had to wave-chop his hand like an angry father for weeks afterwards to shut down any questions about this because Fields did this at least two more times in that game he first did this in, each time unnaturally.
& the Bears didn't take him into concussion protocol.
This was a dead giveaway, & even Fields haters at the time knew it because the excuse they made was "the Bears _had to do this_ to simplify the offense for Fields." *How* is having to wait until you can read a jersey #, remembering if it belongs to a receiver you can throw to or not on This Play simpler than throwing to whichever receiver is open?
The problem we have from this point on is we can never know when Fields is holding onto the ball because he doesn't see the receiver, is trying to remember which one he's not supposed to throw to or is this close to having a total breakdown because his own HC is overtly sabotaging him & not the fans, his teammates etc. will give him Any Support? He called them out on this publicly, twice! & no one said anything. Not only that, the press didn't even respond to the fact that no one on the team responded.
Can you _imagine? Remember when Mac Jones was caught seeking outside help from the Pats? If Bill responded by Saying Nothing then we'd all know immediately that Jones was gone. We'd _KNOW_ this without a doubt.
So Fields' own team owner, HC & GM all gave him the signs that they were moving on from him Multiple Times & openly sabotaged him In Games. Fans have a tendency to change the narratives & mentally move on but I remember how this played out in the time it happened. Like most new HCs & GMs Poles & 'Flus wanted Fields gone _because_ he was from the old régime or for whatever reason. But they weren't *subtle* about it.
This is the same guy that has Will Levis over CJ Stroud… Enough said. No need to watch any more of your videos.😂😂😂😂😂
This is gonna age so poorly for you
Even before I watch the video- which I'm excited to watch, let me give you my take on why I am underwhelmed by Caleb Williams. Let's start with the fact that Lincoln Riley is not the "quarterback whisperer." Riley had some interesting schemes when he went to Oklahoma that worked. But he never taught the fundamentals of mechanics and leadership to any of his "award winning quarterbacks."
I'll reveal I am an Oklahoma alum, but set that aside. Baker Mayfield was "fully formed" when Riley arrived. Riley didn't take him under his wing. Kyler Murray was in the same quarterback room as Mayfield and benefited from film study and schematics but he was an original talent on his own. And Jalen Hurts? His time at Alabama gave him the fundamentals to lead an offense. All he needed to do was improve his passing skills.
We couldn't tell much about Williams in his freshman year because Riley was off interviewing with Southern Cal. We thought he was good, had good potential and we were looking at bright days ahead until Riley snuck out of town before the break of dawn.
I watched every Southern Cal game that was available both years Williams was at So Cal. I didn't see any development in discipline in utilizing the pocket or in developing complex timing routes. What I saw was a quarterback that either didn't see his "reads," didn't like them, or wasn't confident to deliver the ball in tight windows.
I saw a quarterback that was quick to pull the ball down and begin to scramble pell-mell without any rhyme or reason. The passing play suddenly became street ball where he was waving receivers open down the field or he was tucking and running instead of forcing the defense to defend against the pass.
The thought went through my head that "this kid is going to get eaten up in the NFL" without the discipline to stay in the drive concept on a fresh set of downs. Whether he started at his own 20 or his opponents' 40 yard line, Williams was erratic and undisciplined.
Without question he wasn't coached properly and I was not surprised to see the Trojans crater in 2023. Lincoln Riley, for all his bally-hoo, is not a seasoned head coach.
Bob Stoops, the man he replaced, was the CEO of the Sooners. He only won 191 games against 48 losses. Riley will never coach that many Division I games. We should be glad he was exposed as a fraud in college football. Had he been hired to coach an NFL team he would be roadkill.
Every NFL team should be wary of Williams. He's a raw talent; the skills are there to develop but he definitely is a "project" to learn the pro game. I laughed my butt off when I heard he wanted a percentage of the Bears' ownership in his rookie contract. The kid has had too much money, too many slaps on the back and too many hours admiring himself in the mirror. Is he still teachable? Good question.
I think Caleb will be a handful for anyone who risks taking him. It’s questionable that he’s even coachable at this juncture. Will he be willing to play in structure. The hype surrounding him makes it a super high risk for any nfl team that drafts him, bc fan expectations will be off the charts. Then the coaches will be blamed, or other players, or whatever if expectations aren’t met. You almost can’t even risk sitting the guy behind someone for even part of year, bc he’s been made out by these sports media pundits to be the next coming of Mahomes. I wouldn’t touch the guy with a 10 foot pole, if I were a GM. I hope poles doesn’t get pushed into taking him, and they will listen to reviews like Merrill hoges, etc. the only way the bears and poles are true to their word with field is if they get a real offensive line put together, and add two top notch receivers, and Waldron coaches him up and does some play calling that emphasizes his skills. They’ve come all this way with fields and to just drop him for the next shiney toy seems like a total waste. Watch videos from Adam mason, and Chase Daniels on Fields. He has made progress each year despite having a horrible offensive line, and really only two decent receiving options finally in his 3rd year. He should really be graded as a 2nd year Qb with the coaching changes and the disaster that poles inherited. Many many talented players around the league have said you keep and build around Justin. That’s on both sides of the ball. They know he’s gotten a raw deal, and a team known for bad QB choices, but they’ve never had the organizational structure to develop QBs. All the coaches they hired this off season on offense is the first time they’ve ever put that kind of coaching team together to potentially build that. It would be cool to see that take off next season with a big step by Justin and the offense with the right players added to the mix. They have most of what they need on defense. Now it’s time to spend big on offense. DJ moore was a good, but small start last season. As was extending Cole kmet. But it’s the o line that stunk up the joint. Poles should know better. He’s got to use these picks and salary cap wisely this off season. Not get caught up in the hype of Caleb or any of these QBs.
I agree with you 100! NFL gonna be rude awakening 4 him...he doesnt have it mentally to thrive in nfl...his teammates not gonna like him and all his antics
16 is Tahj Washington and yes he is good, especially YAC.
Thr man is always open 🤷♂️
BUST!! He never had to read defenses...90% of the time he faced poor defenses where his WR way more talented than the db covering...he throws into huge windows or 50-50 balls where his wr have huge adv...he melted down after losing...he looked avg everytime he faced real D...he is immature and his dad is nitemare...nfl locker rooms not gonna like him at all
I’ll admit I’m more an NFL guy and only really pay attention to college for draft purposes, but Williams has been a topic since last year so he’s been on my mind. From what I’ve seen I just can’t shake that unless you sit this guy for 2 years minimum and just recraft him, he’s a massive bust waiting to happen. There’s a real chance he might even refuse to be part of the draft because let’s be real no team is taking his “I want part ownership” demand seriously
In short he’s a project at best, a straw QB at worst. Now I could be 100% wrong and this guy has a HOF career, but from what we’ve seen from what you as usual helped me see in detail, he just does not have what it takes yet to play NFL calibre football.
Preach!! 100!!
Love the “part owner” bit, lol 😂
These guys need to realize the team, the brand, is the product. It isn’t the player. Yeah, they have talent, but there’s tons of talent and people will watch their team.
If every player in the NFL disappeared, in a year’s time, there will be a whole new NFL worth of players and the fans will show up.
I’ve been watching forever and Montana retired, Marino retired, Elway, Favre, Manning, Brees, Brady…. The game goes on. Williams isn’t owning anything
He is definitely talented (and has the tools), but I don’t like his attitude and ego. Is he going to be able to handle adversity if things don’t go his way?? I don’t know. Maybe he will get into the NFL and prove me wrong, but I’ve just got this gut feeling he will end up busting.
I’m not an expert, and I don’t pretend to be. Just my opinion.
I don’t know who you are but I just Subscribed. Great video don’t see this from the bigger sports networks
Thanks!
I agree 100%! This guy has done his homework and his opinion isn't just media fluff like we always get. Fantastic job!
Great film breakdown! Also a bears fan here. Have you done one of these or mahones from his Texas tech days? I’m wondering how similar he was to this? Or was he special? Or was he like this and it took the right coaching staff (Andy Reid) to make him successful? Might be a good video idea.
I didn't grade QBs this intensely back then. I liked Mahomes a lot in the draft, but I do think it's been crucial to his reputation that he plays in Andy Reid's brilliant offense
Another Bears fan here and I'm afraid that drafting Williams is gonna set the Bears back years. He still seems to be a smaller, slower version of the qb that we just gave away to the Steelers, Justin Fields. If they didn't like Justin despite the chaotic franchise, why draft someone with a similar game? I'm not a Drake Maye fan but at least he's a different type of qb. Caleb just seems like Justin-lite.
He shares almost nothing in common with Fields
Chicago bear lifer and I 100%agree that Caleb is overrated, however I think jj is underrated and we should snag him
I would rather have Caleb than JJ, bit I think Maye clears both
What are your thoughts on Caleb's style for the Bears? It seems to me like the staff there wanted Fields to be a traditional passer, they spent most of his time there shoe-horning him into a traditional role, and now they are going to draft a playmaker? I don't think anything shown in this video for Caleb is a good fit for the Bears coaching staff.
Caleb is a lot like Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson, so he *can* run Waldron's McVay Offense.
That being said, I don't think it's his best fit, nor do I think he's the best option for them. I'd strongly prefer Drake Maye in that system. JJ McCarthy might be a better option, too.
Caleb isn't the best QB in this draft, nor is he the best fit, but he's still good.
Atrocious college football defenses made Bryce Young a 1st overall pick smh. Caleb Williams padded his stats and highlights vs horrific defenses that are nothing like the NFL
I don't think Caleb is nearly as bad as Bryce Young, but his stats are certainly inflated. That's why I never look at stats. Just film.
Bryce got no help
@@ADSeason25 Bryce ain’t got much starting nfl qb talent
@@Ballin-97 he has top 10 potential. He has no one good on his roster. If you swapped cj and Bryce young Career you would be saying the same thing about cj
@@ADSeason25 i don’t think other teams would trade more than a 3rd round pick for Young right now
I appreciate that you take strong stances and don't "hedge" much. Might come off abrasive sometimes, but it's far better than so much of the wishy-washy discussion that passes for "analysis" nowadays. Your content makes me even more pissed that the Giants couldn't get the trade-up done for Maye. Good stuff man
Thanks!
I am admittedly a Caleb Williams (and Bears) fan but I couldn't disagree with you more on the play at the 20:05 mark. It might be Cover-2 but it's inverted and the Corner is the other half field defender. The corner not only has a running start to play the seam better but he knows the LB is running up the seam and is gonna force Caleb to put touch on that ball in order to layer it in between the 2nd and 3rd level of the defense giving him -- the corner -- time to make a play on the ball. Not to mention you don't know how this play is taught by Lincoln Riley so saying he was wrong in looking at the WR on the top of the screen on Caleb's part is conjecture and should be qualified as such. I'm watching your video because I think it's important to collect different opinions but let's not put the onus on the QB to meet unrealistic expectations.
1st of all, I really appreciate your engagement with the actual analysis. It's awesome to be able to talk ball with someone rather than defend myself against casual fans spewing voodoo rhetoric instead of sticking to the film.
2. Regardless of how the cover 2 manifests itself, under no circumstances should any play ever call for a QB to look at a short curl as his 1st read when facing press coverage. Much less when you have a slot post and a streak. If it's split coverage, the post is read 1. If it's man or cover 3, the streak is the first look. Either way, Caleb was wrong, causing him to miss 2 wide open receivers. His consequent hesitation then led to a bad sack.
My point is that while he may be wrong, its important to qualify conclusions like this that you don't know with 100% certainty how he was taught to read out this particular play. And the way the C2 manifests itself is important, not necessarily to where he takes his eyes, but I disagree that he "misses" two open WRs. I don't think the post is open because the outside corner has leverage on the seam. This isn't throwing a ball while the safety's momentum is carrying him away from the receiver in question. The whole reason you play C2 invert like this is to bracket the seam route. Regardless, and I understand you are higher Maye than Williams, but the tone of your respective videos on the two makes me question the objectivity. The negativity in regards to Williams feels overt. It comes across as two campaign ads, one strictly in favor of Maye and the other in opposition of Williams. @@pbfg
Well when one QB doesn't play a single good game in 2023 and the other is literally the best college QB I've ever seen... the tone is gonna be pretty drastically different.
Especially considering the vastly disparate hype around each player.
And frankly, I can say with 100% certainty that the curl should never have been the first read. What happens after that can be argued, but the short curl vs press coverage with split safeties is never the move.
Love watching these
Have you watched drake Mayes tape. Watch the bad games. Yikes. Accuracy is all of the place, he panics with the rush. Look at Jayden Daniels. His numbers and his film just wows you. Yea the arm I know. You can get stronger, and his dual threat is crazy good
I did a video on Drake Maye last week - after studying 11 games (over 500 snaps) he's the best QB I've ever evaluated. And it isn't close.
@@aubrey44 I don't know why sam gets the brutal wrap that he gets. Yea he's 1:1 TD to turnover ratio but he still gives you damn near 4k yards. Just needs a lil more time to marinate
I'm VERY impressed with your analysis of film! You would hope NFL types are seeing this as well. Foe Chicago's sake, I hope they don't fall for the media hype and draft this guy. I also have serious concerns about his personality - seams quite immature and making demands instead of being humble. I'm sure you saw the movie Draft Day. He could be the next Bo Callahan, dropping in the draft due to premadonna-like attitude, refusing to throw at the Combine and take medicals with everyone else. I think you're onto something here.
Thank you for the support!!
I'd be SHOCKED if he isn't the first pick. I just don't think he should be. I think he should be the 2nd or 3rd pick 😅
Drake Maye will go #1
I wouldn't bet on it, my man
Great point about crying with his mom instead of being a leader….. didn’t even think about it.
A lot of his bad tendencies seem to be coachable
Really appreciate your analytical mind for football,I would love a breakdown on jayden daniels as well
This weekend!
Good evaluation! Williams is guessing not reading.
Precisely
Bears will not draft him, bc Poles will sense the character issues. If they draft anyone, it will be Drake maye.
Character issues based on false narratives and click bait headlines lol. Meanwhile Fields cant handle seeing bears related stuff on Instagram 😂
So right. Poles ain't no nanny. Redskins getting The Caren
Where do you get access to the All 22 film?
Caddy's cutups on patreon
Let the Bears deal with him..He'll be a Cancer in the locker room
I don’t agree with all that. I think Caleb is a good prospect!
Caleb’s biggest hurdle imo is that the expectations on him are simply too lofty. There are only two athletes who have possessed the mental wherewithal to be even better than the hype, not to mention meet the hype or even accomplish average feats: Lebron James and Tiger Woods. So, going by history, yeah, I’d take the under on the kid as well. We’ve seen how coming in under the radar has helped other relatively elite prospects like Mahomes, Cj stroud etc.
Great video
I enjoyed this thoroughly
Awesome, thank you!
Hey, have you dealt with veritone at all?
Never heard of it
@@pbfg they’ve sent me a copyright claim for posting all 22 pac 12 film, wanted to see if you had any issues with them
Where did you have Fields graded?
2.0
4th round pick
@@pbfgI’d love to see that breakdown because I was never high in Fields. I supported him because he was my QB but I never saw consistent placement, spiral or timing with the ball. I would tell people look at how slow the ball spins out of his hand and how many wobble in the air and people would say I’m crazy. Loved Lawrence but said he can’t play off schedule which has proven true in the league and unfortunately you have to have that now which is one of the main reasons I like Caleb. Been on him since his freshman year but this past year he showed a lot of bad habits. Think he fell into his own hype and wanted to be everything instead of just playing ball like 2022.
All you did with Maye is ignore his flaws tho lmao. The amount of deep balls Maye threw 10 yards out of bounds or left 5 yards short was ridiculous
I think you're patently full of ficking shit
@@pbfg i have all there games of film. I swear it feels like you’re just blatantly ignoring shit. Vtech, pitt, Virginia, Miami. Horrendous downfield accuracy. Duke game, WRs slowing down. His pocket presence isn’t nowhere near advanced as Caleb. It’s ok to like Maye but this shit is fully of blatant lies.
@@pbfg Umm, I've seen this too. It exists. If it didn't, people would have a hard time explaining why he isn't projected to be #1.
You're not being harsh man... the league is just scared shitless of Mahomes and they want the next best thing coz they sure ain't getting him... ever =)) Chiefs fan here :P
Do you think we need to replace Fields?
100%
No
Yeah let’s just do what we’ve done over and over again and draft a new qb. Haven’t we learned enough from Mitch? How are we so unlucky and Green Bay is so lucky? It’s almost like we suck ass at developing QBs. We finally find one that’s improving and you think we need to just start over again with our development team and management?
@@UA-camremovesallmycomments What exactly did Fields improve on from year 2 to 3?
Dude is over rated for sure. Bears would be smarter to trade that pick back. And keep fields.
I'd much rather have Williams than Fields. I'd just much rather have Maye than Williams.
I liked Drake Maye more first for his height and size. But after watching more Caleb film and not being as bias I like him better.
If I’m not mistaken I don’t think any of Williams o linemen or WRs will be drafted #1 hell maybe not even #2 or drafted at all. Also his defense was bad.
I feel like fields being around all those good/great guys in college hide how mediocre he is as a passer.
Hell Williams has 3k+ more yards passing than fields had in college with only 3 more games played.
Williams is MUCH better than Fields, but Williams also had MUCH better receivers & RBs than Maye.
Neither USC nor UNC will have many OLmen drafted, but USC has 2 or 3 NFL WRs while UNC only had 1, and he was suspended for like 6 games.
@@pbfg thanks for the reply bro I’m so exited for April 25th to see what the Bears do. It’s a tough one I watched some of maye low lights (bad plays) last night, and they were pretty bad. But all QBs mess up, can’t wait to see what the future holds!
It's definitely an exciting time to root for a Chicago sports team!
Thank you for the excellent analysis. I'm new to following football, you break things down in a way that increases my knowledge.
I appreciate that! Welcome aboard
I want the Bears to draft Marvin Harrison Jr. Drake Maye is probably my 15th top prospect.
Then you should not bet on football games.
My thing is Caleb is he Just don't look ready right now We need playoffs 2024
What exactly does that mean? Why doesn't he look ready?
This is what I was seeing from him. All my friends think he’s amazing which he’s really good but I’ve been calling him “JC Penny Mahomes”😂.
And what about just keeping fields?
That'd be a decade-ruining mistake, and has almost no chance of happening.
Did Stroud showcasing more arm talent make you change your mind on him a bit?
A little! I bumped him up to a 2.4
I still think Caleb & Maye are better though
If you see all this then of course Poles sees it. He keeps Justin. Do not worry. The NFL guys are too fast for his game. They will destroy him. Manziel 2.0😅😅
Thanks for this.
I promise you that Fields is done in Chicago
Mate appreciate the take but you lost me at Will Levis and then to top it off with essentially “I rated cj stroud a little lower than should have” for the greatest rookie qb season ever….cmon now 😅😅😅😅😅
Ok. Bye.
Drake Maye has similar pressure to sack rating to Caleb yet u gave Maye B+, i sense a little bias or you need to go back and review again.
Pressure to sack rate is a really good stat. But a stat is just a shortcut. That's why I graded over 1000 snafus of Maye & Williams.
1.5% of Maye's dropbacks ended with a sack which I blamed on the QB.
3.9% of Williams' dropbacks ended with a sack which I blame on the QB.
That's a gigantic difference.
@@pbfg I think Lincoln Riley held Caleb back, the oline was atrocious and asked Caleb to hunt down big plays, instead of moving the chains, similar to Texas tech had with Mahomes, but Caleb has consistency in his mechanics. QB1 for me
@@BiggoSuaveunc line was also terribke
Ive been saying this idk what people are seeing that Im not but hes basic
Basic?
Gee, if he is overrated why does EVERY TEAM WANT HIM, and some are willing to trade unheard of compensation to get him?? Must be because you know more than them???
Chiefs don't.
Well, they were all CERTAIN Zach Wilson and/or Mac Jones were elite prospects...
Niners don’t 😂
@@CharlieRogers50huh?
@@pbfgI hear you but your comments would suggest you’d take Maye over cj stroud. I find that to be an interesting take and I do think given how confident you are in it, you should be willing to make a statement that should he have anything but cj stroud’s season, your analytical skills might not be as great as imagined.
Yup, _SOME_ of them are near misses. But he has some flat-out throws that would 100% be INTs in the NFL on tape here ua-cam.com/video/5JO1PsupF_U/v-deo.html & _that_ is a *highlight reel!* Obviously the opposing D gave up on the play. But that doesn't explain the amount of times he's way off-target when not even being pressured. Funny thing about that tape. If you count the amount of times ball-placement _possibly_ causes the receiver to get tackled immediately, the other QB has all of two total such throws.
Caleb has 10+ terrible throws off by inches or miles here on his highlight reel. The other QB matches or surpasses him everywhere else too, can fling the ball 50+ air yards at weird arm angles & on the run. This proves he is _not_ the Best QB Prospect Ever.
This is a great case of someone in media saying something like that then media running with it. Fields is _clearly_ a better QB on that tape. I'm liking these because you're going with what You See regardless of hype. But don't get mad at my comments about Drake Maye. I don't have a list of his best & worst games, but he has enough rookie bad throws that I'm wondering how you haven't seen them.
It doesn't necessarily matter though. Men's minds & bodies only finally _really start_ working together somewhere around their 23rd birthday. Peyton Manning's rookie season is the only example we have of this change coming on mid-season. Around week 11 he stops throwing INTs in a panic under pressure à la Zach Wilson & can finally repress his panic instinct long enough to Get The Job Done.
Well? How old is Maye? This also might be what saved Purdy. His ability to focus in games is tremendous & I'm betting it wasn't consistent in college. So, food for thought.
This is not gona age well
Wanna bet
Every one of your videos is going to age horrendously… Bro, you are really bad at this
You should bet on football games then, cause my dumb ass is great at it
Nothing special. Waaay overrated.
Plenty of special traits!
Just not special enough to be a special propsect. Still, a very good one.
Drake may lol so funny . He missed so many easy throws . He has accuracy issues
Why do you think that?
Caleb Williams ball placement is on a level with Aaron Rodgers though. Williams only issue is size. He has everything else. Size matters which is why I give the nod to Drake but to call him the best QB you have ever scouted is CRAZY. Simply crazy. Drake is good and has a lot of growing up to do before he is even ranked better than Sam Howell. The best place for Maye would be a team who could sit him for 2 seasons behind a old QB like Jimmy G or Cousins . He gets put on an NFL roster that sucks and is forced to start day one I worry about his projection. The best you ever scouted.... I said things that blunt before the 2023 season about Maye and he was good through 23' but not as good as I expected.
Don't agree. Thanks for watching.
0 elite throws versus Utah in 2022???? 1 versus ND??? That’s wild. You have some weird bias going on broseph.
The fact that you highlighted CJ stroud as having red flags for character is hilarious.
Not as funny as Sam Howell being a HOF talent. Yikes
The amount of slander in this comment is remarkable.
1. Where did I say Stroud had red flags for character?
2. When did I say Howell was a HoF talent?
3. Which throws did YOU think should've been elite in those two games?
You're an unserious person, as evidenced by the 4 frantic comments in a 2 min span.
you are scouting this season and judging him off just that you are making mistakes . Caleb Williams is not overrated. Drake Maye is a great prospect but to say he has looked better than Williams is super uninformed. Drake Maye is my favorite QB in the class but to call what Caleb has done in college overrated you are sounding silly . Caleb has carried his teams . Drake did not at any point of his career carry his team like Williams.
It doesn't sound like you watched the video. I explained in the first 3 minutes that I watched 11 games - 6 from 2023, and 5 from 2022.
And Maye clearly carried his teams at UNC. They could not move the ball without him in their bowl game. USC scored at will without Caleb.
YOU DONT HAVE ANY BALL KNOWLEDGE
Then why do I keep winning all my bets?