Eru Iluvatar Origins - The Destroyer And Creator Of The Tolkien Universe, The God Entity - Explored

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  • @soulreaver1983
    @soulreaver1983 2 роки тому +65

    Another fantastic video many thanks your channel is absolutely outstanding 😎👍👍👍👍

    • @briandeluca4318
      @briandeluca4318 2 роки тому +2

      No one knows what he really looks like but he is the creator and the end.

    • @soulreaver1983
      @soulreaver1983 2 роки тому +1

      @@briandeluca4318 😎👍

    • @zazzenfuk
      @zazzenfuk 2 роки тому +1

      clickbait

    • @MMAtiasUFC2
      @MMAtiasUFC2 9 місяців тому

      where is the guy from the thumbnail standing on, my dude?

  • @oceanberserker
    @oceanberserker 2 роки тому +531

    Just curious. If we're talking about the analog for God in the Tolkienverse, why does the picture in the video thumbnail look like freakin' Cthulhu?

  • @Looshmal
    @Looshmal 2 роки тому +165

    4:37 the Numenorians killed when Eru reshaped Arda weren’t “innocent”. They had turned to Morgoth worship under Al-Farazan, guided by Sauron.
    The Faithful Numenorian’s left with High King Elendil and were specifically saved by Eru.

    • @Looshmal
      @Looshmal 2 роки тому +13

      @Morgan Allen It doesn’t say anything about 5 year olds getting killed, so you can as easily imagine Elendil, Isildur and the other Faithful taking them… or not. As to those that might’ve “gone along to get along” , well tough noogies. By going along with evil, you’re taking the side of evil and deserve condemnation, vis-à-vis the Vichy French in WW 2.
      However the case may be that there were innocents on Numenor when Eru reshaped Arda and that is in line with a Judeo-Christian view of God.
      Big God Theology Time: If Eru created all then it is within His Divine Right to take Life when it aligns with His plan. Think of all the Canaanite children and those that went along with the rulers of Jericho and the other cities razed by Joshua’s army or the Philistines by David. These were sanctioned by God for a purpose and we cannot hold Him to blame because we aren’t Him. We are the creatures, He is the Creator, that is the order of things. Eru operates along the same lines.
      It’s a hard thing to wrap your heart around without becoming bitter and despondent, but that’s the struggle of Catholicism; learning that obedience and surrender is the first principle to master.
      Hope this helps!

    • @ryanlaurie8733
      @ryanlaurie8733 2 роки тому +10

      A small correction, the last king of Numenor was Ar-Pharazôn. Al-Farazan seems to be an island near Saudi Arabia lol

    • @Looshmal
      @Looshmal 2 роки тому

      @@ryanlaurie8733 ua-cam.com/video/Hrm-rPSCIBw/v-deo.html

    • @eminentbishop1325
      @eminentbishop1325 2 роки тому +4

      @@Looshmal and they're wrong. Nothing is above questioning. Especially the creator

    • @TitusCastiglione1503
      @TitusCastiglione1503 2 роки тому +2

      @@eminentbishop1325 why?

  • @logicplague
    @logicplague 2 роки тому +38

    "Innocent" is a strong word to throw around Numenor at that time, they were literally performing human sacrifices to Morgoth.

  • @robinriebsomer4607
    @robinriebsomer4607 2 роки тому +121

    Frodo did NOT destroy the one ring. He was overcome by its corruption and refused to do so. The ironic truth is that Gollum destroyed it by taking it by force from Frodo when he had given an oath to defend the "Master of the Ring who at that time was Frodo. And so the ring turned on Gollum and as a result destroyed itself. As Gandalf says "Oft evil will mars evil will." The Silmarillion mostly covers the First Age, NOT the second.

    • @terraincognitagaming
      @terraincognitagaming 2 роки тому +3

      but Silmarillion does cover second age..
      And Gollum didnt defend Frodo now lmfao

    • @erikwaag6438
      @erikwaag6438 2 роки тому +9

      @@terraincognitagaming Gollum swears an oath, and breaking it had consequences.
      "You swore a promise by what you call the Precious. Remember that! It will hold you to it; but it will seek a way to twist it to your own undoing. Already you are being twisted. You revealed yourself to me just now, foolishly. Give it back to Sméagol you said. Do not say that again! Do not let that thought grow in you! You will never get it back. But the desire of it may betray you to a bitter end. You will never get it back. In the last need, Sméagol, I should put on the Precious; and the Precious mastered you long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or to cast yourself into the fire. And such would be my command. So have a care, Sméagol!'"

    • @wezzy9437
      @wezzy9437 2 роки тому +4

      Actually Eru destroyed the one ring because he caused Gollum to trip and fall into the fires of Mount doom.

    • @pebbleoverpond
      @pebbleoverpond 2 роки тому +7

      Sam was the true hero in the story

    • @StopFear
      @StopFear 2 роки тому +1

      Yea, ok, Tolkien's books are still ridiculous and his cosmology stupid.

  • @DrunkJester
    @DrunkJester 2 роки тому +37

    About Eru's intervention in things he might not really need to intervene as he said to Melkor during the discord of the song now this isn't verbatim he said " Even what you do to disrupt and change will work towards my goals in the end" .

    • @cockycookie1
      @cockycookie1 2 роки тому +7

      Honestly, shit like that would make me want to rebel as well.

    • @remilenoir1271
      @remilenoir1271 2 роки тому +2

      @@cockycookie1 By the point he said that, you would've already rebelled anyway.

    • @redjirachi1
      @redjirachi1 Рік тому +3

      That's just the Problem of Evil with extra steps!

  • @therongjr
    @therongjr 2 роки тому +37

    "The Silmarillion" mostly chronicles the First Age, and the Years of the Lamps and Years of the Trees before it. The Second Age is only addressed in the two short chapters after the Quenta Silmarillion proper.

    • @Ingolenuru
      @Ingolenuru 2 роки тому +4

      Thank you. So many inaccuracies and fallacies in this video.

    • @ZakhadWOW
      @ZakhadWOW 2 роки тому

      and those last 2 books are the only material the new series is apparently authorized to use, being given a tiny bit of leeway to introduce us to the First age wlven wars and the glimpse of Valinor

    • @JoshTheHoffman
      @JoshTheHoffman 2 роки тому

      @@ZakhadWOW Yes amazon only bought the rights to the fellowship, The two towers, The return of the king, The Hobbit and the Appendices which from what I gather are like not very important foot notes.

    • @AngmarCosplay
      @AngmarCosplay 2 роки тому

      Came here for this

    • @SWOTHDRA
      @SWOTHDRA 2 місяці тому

      The lamps is before the trees.....

  • @jamiewillis7093
    @jamiewillis7093 2 роки тому +84

    Every time I see a video discussing the history of the world Tolkien created my head has never been able to successfully wrap around fact that one man created all this, as some one who wants to get into writing comics (I understand comics and novels are totally different but they share a lot of similarities when creating stories) and honestly Tolkien’s lore intimidates the heck out of me and is honestly a major reason why it’s taken many years to even consider getting into Comics because next to Tolkien I just felt inadequate, to add context my dream is to be the Tolkien of comics, infact a love child of Tolkien and frank herbert is what I’m going for (I know I know that’s ambitious as hell will probably crash and burn in my attempt but atleast then I can say I’ve tried I guess

    • @SolNaciente13
      @SolNaciente13 2 роки тому +6

      DO YOVR THING. DO YOV. BE VNIQVE. NEUER STOP LEARNING AND APPLYING WHATEUER YOV MASTER. 😌

    • @thegametroll6264
      @thegametroll6264 2 роки тому +3

      I too would like to do the same thing. It is INTIMIDATING but it's rewarding knowing you do what you like. What terrifies me is accidentally taking after someone else's work but with the vivid imagination I have I don't think I will have a problem with that.

    • @nickbriggs8059
      @nickbriggs8059 2 роки тому +7

      Don’t let the fire of your dreams die! I mean in all fairness your comparing yourself to one of the most successful fantasy authors to ever live! Don’t put that much pressure on yourself. But I do understand what you mean. Just for fun I like to fabricate fictional worlds along w languages and geographies religions and every aspect of a society and I get the same inadequate feeling you seem to get when you look at Previous works from others. But don’t give up at all. I’d read something you wrote. Just for the simple fact I love reading and taking an adventure into someone else’s mind.

    • @roddo1955
      @roddo1955 2 роки тому +7

      Just do it. Tolkien was inspired by catholicism and European myths. You are inspired in turn by Tolkien so why stop yourself. Do what you love! Surely you don't think that you need to reach the same success as Tolkien in order to write what you have in your mind. Just do it. And just a word of advice; do it. But tell nobody. When it comes to creativity you cannot be swayed by outside influences and opinions; you have your own doubts to tackle, as it is.

    • @jameskirk3
      @jameskirk3 2 роки тому +7

      Don't forget, we have the benefit of viewing his works as having been complete. It started about 1910, and wasn't done until 60+ years later, and he wrote his entire life.
      The thing to do is to just get it written down. Many fantasy series have more content, but they didn't exist before Tolkiens, at least not outside of our world.

  • @brotheralaric7177
    @brotheralaric7177 2 роки тому +17

    I guess if we compare D&D actual version and Tolkien unvierse, Eru Illuvatar would be comparable to Ao, an Overgod, who rarely intervene and let the other gods deals with the universe

  • @lm7338
    @lm7338 2 роки тому +10

    6:15
    Ainulindalë
    AYE-NU-LINDA-LE
    When a word in Quenya has a vowel with a diaresis it means that vowel must be pronounced.
    Another example is Aulë, AU-LE not "Owl".

  • @themightypen1530
    @themightypen1530 2 роки тому +7

    If you read carefully it is indeed The Ring that is the cause of Gollum's demise. The Ring curses Gollum and it tells him (through Frodo, yet not in his voice) that if Gollum should ever touch it again that he will be cast in to the fire himself. Frodo doesn't destroy The Ring, Gollum doesn't, neither even does Eru (although obviously it was part of his plan), in the end the end The Ring destroys itself.

    • @StopFear
      @StopFear 2 роки тому

      So, the ring committed suicide? Why did it waste all this time existing just to jump into the lava?

    • @JoshTheHoffman
      @JoshTheHoffman 2 роки тому

      @@StopFear Homie the ring doesn't have legs not like it could have jumped out of his hands. Gollum swore on the ring to do what Frodo said and if he betrayed that word the Ring would curse him and doom him. He betrayed his word the curse killed him he was just coincidentally took the ring with him. Also the Ring caused the death of many many people and created the Nazgul. I wouldn't say it wasted what time it did have.

    • @zo5679
      @zo5679 2 роки тому +2

      @@JoshTheHoffman imagine if the ring having leg. The book/show would be called the leg of the ring 😂😂😂

    • @JoshTheHoffman
      @JoshTheHoffman 2 роки тому

      @@zo5679 That is funny right there.
      Sam: "Throw it into the fire! Destroy it!"
      Frodo: *Strokes its thigh* "No it's mine" 🤣🤣

    • @seekingabsolution1907
      @seekingabsolution1907 2 роки тому

      You're referring to the curse pronounced by Frodo upon Gollum that he should be cast into the fires if he touch him again?

  • @Ali-bu6lo
    @Ali-bu6lo 2 роки тому +14

    Silmarillion mostly accounts the events of the first age and before, there are small parts about the second age.
    i think Numenoureans were far from innocent. The majority were Morgath worshipers and participated in human sacrifice of those faithful among them to Eru.
    Amazon doesn't have the rights to the Silmarillion, the Book of the lost tales or anything beyond the LoTR trilogy and the Hobbit, the only material they have from the second age is the appendices of Return of the King.

    • @JudoMateo
      @JudoMateo 2 роки тому +4

      Numenoreans had a long tradition of being faithful, virtuous people until the end when Anatar corrupted the minds of the proud among them.
      The ones drowned as you stated weren’t innocent. I’d guess by the thumbnail, and this mischaracterization the writer has a personal beef with the Biblical God.

    • @robertblume2951
      @robertblume2951 2 роки тому +1

      They don't have the rights to LoTR or the Hobbit either.

  • @matthewmckinney5387
    @matthewmckinney5387 2 роки тому +10

    The orc saying his master serves the one is meant to be an insult to the elves. It means that his master, sauron, serves morgoth, who has since the children of iluvatar woke tried to convince them that he was the one trie god. Thats what that scene in the hobbit was about

  • @Adamant1993
    @Adamant1993 2 роки тому +3

    Personally, I think the reason Aru can directly interfere with the Tolkien Universe. The Abrahamic God gifted the creatures of the Earth with Freewill, and so he had revoked his privilege of direct influence. As far as I know, freewill wasn't one of Aru's gifts, leaving Aru the option to interfere directly if needed. If you ask me, Aru has more forethought than God did.

  • @jensphiliphohmann1876
    @jensphiliphohmann1876 Рік тому +1

    05:25
    _...Mordor where Frodo ultimately destroys the infamous ring._
    He doesn't. He came there to do so but he fails, much like Ilsidur did some 3000 years earlier. He even puts the ring on his finger, drawing Sauron's attention and prompting him to command
    the Nazgûl to Mt. Doom. The one guy who actually saves the situation is Gollum who bits Frodo's finger off and celebrates the regain of his prrreccciousss so hard that he tumbles right into Mt. Doom's lava, accidentally destroying the ring in that very process.

  • @JoaoMariaNunes
    @JoaoMariaNunes 2 роки тому +13

    Melkor only was called by Morgoth after stealing the Silmarils from Faenor

    • @SWOTHDRA
      @SWOTHDRA 2 місяці тому +1

      Feanor came up with that word, indeed

  • @Hoogalindo
    @Hoogalindo 2 роки тому +2

    Comparing Eru to Cthulhu is disgusting. The sheer fucking disrespect for Tolkien.

  • @LoboGuara5bruxaria
    @LoboGuara5bruxaria 2 роки тому +3

    Did not expected VS Debate terminology being discussed on a video that mostly talks about the nature of Eru Illuvittar and it's importance in the narrative of the Legendarium, but such discussion nonetheless brings home close a very important point about Eru and Power levels.
    Eru has no power level, as he far exceeds such concepts!

  • @raurmanproductions3438
    @raurmanproductions3438 10 місяців тому +1

    That orc in the beggining is not talking about Eru. He is referring to Sauron and it's pretty damn obvious if you're following the movie.

  • @sirellyn
    @sirellyn 2 роки тому +16

    Giving the writing team at amazon ANY credit for even semi decent story telling is beyond generous. I wouldn't even let these hacks touch a rewrite of the valley girl movie Heathers.

  • @aceofspadez131
    @aceofspadez131 2 роки тому +10

    It is said that eru already knew of yavannas discord and had already created the ents to protect the trees and he simply revealed it to her to quell her troubles
    Also whats with the thumbnail eru is not cthulhu lol

  • @gandalf4751
    @gandalf4751 Рік тому +1

    😍😍😍😍😍😍 the lord of the rings

  • @justinwillingale2086
    @justinwillingale2086 2 роки тому +5

    Gandalf does exist during The Rings of Power's timeline under the name Olórin) of the second age. He goes by the name Gandalf in the third age.

    • @dowogenesthedog7186
      @dowogenesthedog7186 2 роки тому +1

      No he doesn't.
      He moves to Middle Earth in the 3rd Age. He was called Olorin before that.

    • @justinwillingale2086
      @justinwillingale2086 2 роки тому

      @@dowogenesthedog7186 so you are saying the producers won’t try and do that

    • @justinwillingale2086
      @justinwillingale2086 2 роки тому

      @@dowogenesthedog7186 they are going to tie him into this timeline somehow

  • @hunterthewerewolf
    @hunterthewerewolf 2 роки тому +4

    If the stranger from the comet is Iluvatar I foresee massive riots of Tolkien fans and Amazon buildings being set alight like the Uruks and Dunlendings did to the villages of Rohan.

  • @ImTheMan0fSteel
    @ImTheMan0fSteel 2 роки тому +3

    You tricked me with the cuthulu pic.
    I honestly thought you were talking about a different character or some new lore...
    Thanks.

  • @cobaltprime9467
    @cobaltprime9467 Рік тому +2

    Ah yes, the allegory for the Christian God is best visualized by Cthulhu. What?

  • @avernvrey7422
    @avernvrey7422 2 роки тому +6

    It was from Eru's mind that Melkor came, and he approved of Melkor's discord enough to say it had, "its uttermost source in me." Calling Melkor "...mine instrument in devising of things more wonderful..." Eru clearly approved of chaos in his creation, at least enough to allow it. He may have even created Ungoliant as an embodiment of the timeless void that surrounded him. It kind of feels like Eru is some last hold out in this universe, surrounded by the void and alone, but with a hint that the void is in him and that he's responsible for the state of things.

    • @music79075
      @music79075 2 роки тому +3

      Melkor was not created evil though.
      Melkor was created as accord with his other kin. However as each had their own personalities Melkor had curiosity more than others and so he went to the timeless void, apart from Erus song, and dwelt there for a time. In this separation from his purpose and Erus will and song Melkor grew ambitious and sought to create a song as beautiful as Erus.
      Returning Melkor sung his own song and some Ainur started singing in tune with him. For a time the songs competed until Eru smiled and sung a new song and most Ainur sung with him and Melkor raged even harder.
      At last many of the Ainur stopped singing and Melkor grew in power. Then Eru defeated him with a third song and even though he couldn't defeat it Melkor nonetheless opposed it.
      Eru then publicly rebuked Melkor, saying that all music finds its source in himself, and thus Melkor could not create his own song or truly alter the Themes of Ilúvatar. Thus, though Melkor opposed Eru to his last breath, he only furthered the cause of Ilúvatar in new and wondrous ways. Melkor was shamed and angered by this judgement, but hid his feelings. When Eru showed the Ainur the product of their music, Eä, Melkor was one of those who begged to enter Arda, pretending to be willing to cultivate it and guide it for Ilúvatar's glory. He actually wished to dominate Arda and its creatures, especially the Children of Ilúvatar.
      Basically Melkor went into discord with Eru out of willful isolation and then tried to seize ultimate power but because Evil is dependent upon Good like a scab on a wound Melkor can never compete with the body for supremacy.

    • @lotus-fe7ek
      @lotus-fe7ek 2 роки тому +2

      Think of it like this. How can you be the creator of an infinite existence if the duality of light and dark did not exist? Eru is pure light but existence must have balance and its own will to create. Godliness is beyond human thought and the simplistic way that we project our behaviors and beliefs onto it is folly. Existence cannot be infinite if infity did not contain all that is or ever could be

    • @seekingabsolution1907
      @seekingabsolution1907 2 роки тому +1

      Melkor became discordant from long times searching the endless void for the flame imperishable. Eru and the void were the only things around at the time, distance in the void allowed melkor to become different and discordant so, to some extent evil was born from the contrast between Eru and the void.

    • @music79075
      @music79075 2 роки тому

      @@lotus-fe7ek Eru created a limited existence though. Eru himself is an unlimited existence. Melkor left the limited existence and found the difference between the limited and unlimited and he wanted to become unlimited and became conceited and ambitious

    • @pyropulseIXXI
      @pyropulseIXXI 2 роки тому +2

      @@lotus-fe7ek Duality isn't a thing. Darkness is an absence of light. So obviously light can exist without darkness, because that is the very essence of Light. The most high god has no darkness, nor evil nor death, or any such nonsense, in him. Evil is absence of good; death is absence of life. You confuse privations for dualistic opposites
      Existence does not need 'balance.' You are so foolish that you think a chair needs to be balanced by the non-existence of chairs. That is your 'dualism.'

  • @Lasershadow
    @Lasershadow 2 роки тому +15

    I doubt the Stranger is Eru Iluvatar. The Stranger is very likely to be Gandalf. His appearance and interaction with the Hobbits would explain his love and fascination with them. Plus this show is taking certain liberties with the canon already at the start. So instead of appearing by boat from the Undying Lands he comes to be among the Hobbits when he first arrives in Middle Earth.

    • @ithikussssukihti406
      @ithikussssukihti406 2 роки тому +3

      Gandalf doesn't show up until the 3rd age, knowing his mission to advise the leaders of men in the fight against the servant of Morgoth. At least within the writings, they couuuld be mixing it up that much for a curve ball though.

    • @alexchism5192
      @alexchism5192 2 роки тому +12

      @@ithikussssukihti406 you are absolutely right, that said Amazon has already taken it upon themselves to shit all over the lore so it wouldn't surprise me at all if it's Gandalf just because of how little they actually care.

    • @pelicanosanguinario8532
      @pelicanosanguinario8532 2 роки тому +1

      Is Tom Bombadil. No doubt

    • @karlaldridge4848
      @karlaldridge4848 2 роки тому +2

      @@pelicanosanguinario8532
      Tom is older than the first raindrop or sunrise.
      It can’t be him.

    • @pelicanosanguinario8532
      @pelicanosanguinario8532 2 роки тому +3

      @@karlaldridge4848 yeah, but it's Amazon they are more than capable to do it. And... I think it would be very funny

  • @johnlynch575
    @johnlynch575 2 роки тому +1

    5:28 Correction= Gollum destroyed it by accident, Frodo, was slipping...in his conviction to destroy it. Fortunately, Gollum was on hand to bite his finger off, and dance off the cliff in victory, ultimately ending both his precious's and his existence. He died in a river of lava with a smile on his face, but at least He had His Precious.

  • @flowtrotters12230
    @flowtrotters12230 2 роки тому +1

    Eru the petty god🙄🙄
    always interferring😂😂

  • @lordschnitzel7961
    @lordschnitzel7961 2 роки тому +8

    Please. Make a Video about Ancalagon the Black. The biggest and strongest of Tolkiens Dragons by far. He makes Smaug Look like a tiny Bat.

    • @adamplentl5588
      @adamplentl5588 2 роки тому

      There's just not a lot to make a video about.

    • @lordschnitzel7961
      @lordschnitzel7961 2 роки тому +2

      @@adamplentl5588 it is. Out of all the Dragons of Middle earth, he has the 3rd biggest Lore

    • @adamplentl5588
      @adamplentl5588 2 роки тому +1

      @@lordschnitzel7961 he's only mentioned 3 times in all of Tolkien's writing.

    • @adamplentl5588
      @adamplentl5588 2 роки тому +2

      @@lordschnitzel7961 literally less than 50 words was ever written about Ancalagon.

    • @lordschnitzel7961
      @lordschnitzel7961 2 роки тому +1

      @@adamplentl5588 Well. He literally was Morgoths biggest weapon. And the way he finally was taken out was just epic. He was the Alpha Dragon. A Dragon with the Power that rivals gods. Even the Maiar were kinda scared.

  • @paulmajano
    @paulmajano 2 роки тому +10

    Ah so it’s Amazon Prime the destroyer got it 🤣

  • @hosstyle4926
    @hosstyle4926 2 роки тому +5

    Great video. No one cares what the “Rings of power” come up with.

  • @dlseller
    @dlseller 4 місяці тому +1

    Tolkien created his world based on his love of language and myth. It was much better before his christian conscience compelled him to inject monotheistic bullshit into a story that was better without it. The story never needed a magic sky daddy. If you need a creation myth, here's what really happened. The Ainulindalë is a lie that the Valar told the elves. In the beginning there was just the Mother of All, Ungoliant. Some believe that there were other dark gods with her but she devoured them all and took the Flame Imperishable for herself. With it, she gave birth to entire worlds and then devoured them. She gave birth to countless children and devoured them all, save one. She name him Eru, the one, because he was the only one she didn't eat. Eru eventually defeated his mother and took the Secret Fire from her. With it he created the Ainur. Eventually he followed in his mother's footsteps and started to devour his offspring. The Ainur learned how to make music, something Eru didn't understand. With music they defeated him and took the secret fire. They used the secret fire to create Arda and then entered into it. When Eru followed them into Arda to get revenge and to take back the secret fire they renamed him Melkor. Eru is Melkor, you fools. It's obvious when you take off your childish Sunday school glasses and look at what's really in the story. The Secret fire is a finite yet renewable energy source. It is fueled by hope. This is why the Valar seek to inspire hope in humanity. It's a power source. You are a battery. It's sad that our ultimate destiny is to be a power source for the Valar but if Melkor comes back then we will be a meal.

  • @Buelford
    @Buelford 2 роки тому +26

    The rings of power should be ignored and we should all pretend like it doesn't exist. How dare they destroy such an amazing lore with such bad writing.

    • @oceanberserker
      @oceanberserker 2 роки тому +2

      AGREED!

    • @mauriciocrispimsanchesesil6480
      @mauriciocrispimsanchesesil6480 2 роки тому +4

      But the lore was destroyed? Is still there in the books... The original material

    • @oceanberserker
      @oceanberserker 2 роки тому +7

      @@mauriciocrispimsanchesesil6480 Not in the most literal sense, no. But remember that visual media is the primary source where people get their information from. And for those who've never read the books or even seen any of the movies, the dreck that Amazon is attempting to peddle to the masses will likely be most people's first exposure to Tolkien's works and it's so bad you can only call it Tolkien in name only. And BARELY at that.

    • @devinmedina5986
      @devinmedina5986 2 роки тому +3

      Nah

    • @Buelford
      @Buelford 2 роки тому +1

      @@oceanberserker precisely

  • @Marcustheseer
    @Marcustheseer 2 роки тому +2

    very wel put together i love the story.

  • @rossdiggle
    @rossdiggle 2 роки тому +4

    Who says eru didn't create the eagles? They were the thought of manwe and yavanna during the music, not created afterwards on area like the ents and dwarves

  • @edwardcobb9677
    @edwardcobb9677 2 роки тому +7

    Why is this Goddamn Cthulhu monstrosity on a thumbnail summarizing the most pure and powerful being in the Tolkien Legendarium?

    • @p-leif630
      @p-leif630 2 роки тому +1

      Click bait it worked but I would have loved a darker undertone

    • @johnathanmartin1504
      @johnathanmartin1504 2 роки тому

      I don't see how a being that considers death a gift could be considered pure.

    • @edwardcobb9677
      @edwardcobb9677 2 роки тому +2

      @@johnathanmartin1504 I guess that depends on how you see things, because it most definitely is in many instances.

    • @imaloser5689
      @imaloser5689 2 роки тому +4

      @@johnathanmartin1504 Because they have a soul that persists.

    • @andrewadams8601
      @andrewadams8601 2 роки тому +4

      @@johnathanmartin1504 Spoken like a true Numenorian

  • @seekingabsolution1907
    @seekingabsolution1907 2 роки тому

    4:42 "innocent" is a pretty heroic assumption given they'd fallen to brutal tyranny, oppression, and imperialism of foreign lands (this is where the black numenoreans come from, they're the numenorean equivalent of american colonists and they all worship Sauron) and human sacrifice to Morgoth, whilst the faithful were explicitly spared and went on to found Gondor and Arnor. Few people would have shed a tear if, in the middle of the 1800's at the height of its imperial depravity, an asteroid had Annihilated the Island of Great Britain from existence and the only thing that survived was the levelers and the British Communist Party.

  • @XAE.A12
    @XAE.A12 2 роки тому +1

    Morgoth and Sauron legit chucked a Frankenstein on all middle earth

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram Рік тому

    Of course when the orc referred to "the One" he wasn't talking about Eru. He was talking about either Sauron or Melkor (at times Sauron identified Melkor as the most powerful entity in the universe). My bet is that by the time of The Hobbit Sauron was taking that role onto himself, but... I'm unsure.

  • @pebbleoverpond
    @pebbleoverpond 2 роки тому +1

    The men of Numenor worshiped Eru on the high place on Menel Tarma in the early part of the kingdom in Tolkien's Simarillion.

  • @jonathonfrazier6622
    @jonathonfrazier6622 2 роки тому +1

    Eh while they didn't know much, Men in the North West seemed to have a vague concept of an all powerful monotheistic god. Sam wise cried out " God help us" whilst in Mordor.

  • @1977rodi
    @1977rodi 2 роки тому

    Excellent work. Love this video! Congratutions and thanks for your dedication!

  • @IntentionalGains
    @IntentionalGains 2 роки тому

    I'll never watch the Rings of Power until an uncorrupted Morgoth free version comes about.

  • @sdtqwe4ty7742
    @sdtqwe4ty7742 2 роки тому +1

    Wouldn't Gandalf simply drifted to undying lands and make preparations once more to enter into middle earth(e.g. get a weak human like body is all I know. Saurman is a Maier like Gandalf equal in at least some class of power and yet became White only after Eru's interference. It's described that he went through an experience so supposedly he's stronger in some regard. )? Obviously he doesn't have time to take a boat ride to say the least so he was 'resurrected'.
    21:00 took the undying lands beyond the circles of the earth? There are plenty of lore videos that talk about humans reaching the undying lands by boat and even having the valiar step in and blow their sails.

  • @n0tfunnyHaHa
    @n0tfunnyHaHa 2 роки тому +1

    So if can do anything, can their god create an object that god can't lift even though supposedly can do anything?

    • @damianpollman926
      @damianpollman926 2 роки тому +1

      Can Eru Illuvitar microwave a burrito so hot even he cannot eat it?

  • @michaelm7006
    @michaelm7006 2 роки тому

    Nice and robotic my favorite

  • @wellonable
    @wellonable 2 роки тому

    Numenor is directly inspired by and more closely related to platos account of Atlantis, rather than the noah story, tolkien said this himself

  • @johnkamadeva4747
    @johnkamadeva4747 2 роки тому +1

    The Video - Eru Illuvatar’s Origins
    but the Thumbnail - Chtulhu
    Me - WTF bruh? 😂

  • @PACR66
    @PACR66 2 роки тому

    17:54 When the orc mentions "The One" I always thought he refered The One Ring, or rather The Master of The One Ring.

  • @Roihclem871
    @Roihclem871 8 днів тому

    3:15 tolkein was predicting jesuses coming in the 6th age as middle Earth is earth

  • @wbrennan2253
    @wbrennan2253 2 роки тому

    I will have to find the reference. I seem to recalls that translated to Quenya, Numenor becomes Atalanta. A heck of a build up to a pun. Sindarin?

  • @graytree315
    @graytree315 2 роки тому +7

    Promoting Rings of power which are a perversion of Tolkien's work whilst talking about ultimate creator and good in said work is truly the hight which i thought we couldn't reach. But here we are.
    If someone desecrates the grave and work of a person you cared about and respected, you shouldn't, under any excuse, endorse the person who did it. It boggels my mind that anyone can justify it in their own head.

  • @leonardogoulart3245
    @leonardogoulart3245 2 роки тому +10

    I always found strange that tolkien's world doesn't have any church or temple, despite Tolkien being religious himself and his characters knowing for a fact about the existence of Eru and the Valar.

    • @Marcustheseer
      @Marcustheseer 2 роки тому +6

      he always thought that temples and churches are to much for the ego it externalizes the god inside to much,all of the creatures of tolkiens world have something of eru inside otherwize they couldnt not exist eru is the only beeing with limitless energie to create,even the valor have to create through eru.

    • @roddo1955
      @roddo1955 2 роки тому +2

      There is a named temple on Meneltarma.

    • @ryancruz1876
      @ryancruz1876 Рік тому

      Why is that strange?

  • @NebMunb
    @NebMunb 2 роки тому +1

    The stranger is Glorfindel reborn and sent to by the Valar to fight Sauron in the TA

  • @waltonsmith7210
    @waltonsmith7210 2 роки тому

    "slayed by Durin's Bane." The word you meant to say was "slain."

  • @vidarr5713
    @vidarr5713 2 роки тому

    Calling the Numenorians innocent isn't accurate (except for Elendil and the Faithful). They worshiped Morgoth and practiced human sacrifice, so I'd say they had it coming.

  • @theocox2839
    @theocox2839 2 роки тому +2

    In finnish mythology there is a god named ilumatar.

  • @oldchannel_MoM
    @oldchannel_MoM 2 роки тому

    This is an almost perfect video except that the Rings of Power is mentioned. It has nothing to do with anything Tolkien wrote, Amazon simply stole the name of Tolkien along with a few canon names and desecrated the Legendarium.

  • @dervish108
    @dervish108 2 роки тому +1

    I feel that Tolkien was similar to Mister Rogers in that he didn’t want to openly preach his faith but wanted his creative works to reflect what he believed were the best qualities that his faith had to offer.

    • @dontchewglass
      @dontchewglass 2 роки тому +1

      That's what I'm hoping to do in some regard. I don't want to write a Christian story, but I also want to be true to my own perspective in my writing

  • @davoid0716
    @davoid0716 2 роки тому

    wish you were the writer of Rings of Power

  • @TomisaLami
    @TomisaLami 2 роки тому +1

    What do you mean by God like? if he created the universe that's enough qualification to actually be a God.

    • @doubleplusdanny
      @doubleplusdanny 2 роки тому

      When ‘like’ is used it is saying two things are similar - the god of the Christians and the creator of Arda.

    • @TomisaLami
      @TomisaLami 2 роки тому

      @@doubleplusdanny wow now that is some ignorant white western ethnocentric thinking. There are literally and I mean literally literally and not figuratively but literally thousands and thousands more gods than just the Christian God. Christianity is such a young religion that if anything the god of Christianity is more similar to other gods than the other way around.

    • @ryancruz1876
      @ryancruz1876 Рік тому

      @@doubleplusdannyEru Ilúvatar is literally the God of Catholicism by Tolkien’s own words.

  • @ShadowWizard123
    @ShadowWizard123 2 роки тому

    Petition to add LOTR to the Chthulu Mythos asap

  • @johnnycage112
    @johnnycage112 2 роки тому +2

    God!

  • @The-Sentinel
    @The-Sentinel 2 роки тому

    Great video but there are several sections that repeat itself 2 or 3 times...

  • @beevang219
    @beevang219 Рік тому

    Immortality
    Transcendence
    Creating life
    Omnipotence
    Omniscience
    Omniprescence

  • @MMAtiasUFC2
    @MMAtiasUFC2 9 місяців тому

    where is the guy from the thumbnail standing on, my dude?

  • @JICanizares
    @JICanizares 2 роки тому

    Pronunciation sidenote re Ainulindalë and Aulë- the ë (with diaeresis) indicates the articulation of the vowel e and is not silent

  • @robertjv
    @robertjv 2 роки тому

    It was physics to blame for Gollums tripping

  • @MrC-55
    @MrC-55 2 роки тому

    Frodo does not destroy the ring. He failed in his mission..Tolkien’s own words. It was Gollum falling into Mount Doom slipping on Frodo’s blood.

  • @KellyVergara
    @KellyVergara 2 роки тому

    What was with the clip at the beginning where the orc says he serves the one? He was talking about sauron, not eru.

  • @michaele8347
    @michaele8347 3 місяці тому

    Take a breath every now and then sir

  • @bbob288
    @bbob288 2 роки тому

    It draws a lot more similarities with Hinduism: Eru is Brahman (the singular vibration OM) and the valar and other gods are all the other gods of Hinduism
    In LOTR it even says they sing (vibration) the universe into creation yet all this is contained within Eru. This is the same as Hinduism, non of this is in Christianity. Although if you go deeper into Christianity you find that it is very similar to Hinduism (angles with harps, vibration, god as singular one...)
    Hinduism is the older one.
    I’m sure Tolkien being a scholar knew all this

    • @forwardtsender8573
      @forwardtsender8573 2 роки тому

      And I doubt he thought much of it. No evidence AFAIK of any significant Hindu influences in Tolkien's life.

  • @richmondlandersenfells2238
    @richmondlandersenfells2238 Місяць тому

    I don't think Numenor was innocent at all at some point! 💀

  • @khartog01
    @khartog01 2 роки тому

    Was that a foul beast one shotting an eagle? Are the eagles so weak to be killed so easily?

  • @rcredmon
    @rcredmon 2 роки тому

    This video is the music of the redundant speech. How many times can you repeat yourself to make the video longer?

  • @Phoenix-King-ozai
    @Phoenix-King-ozai 2 роки тому

    Screw Eru
    Hail Melkor !
    Lord of the Dark, God of the Void, Granter of Power and Freedom

  • @universalflamethrower6342
    @universalflamethrower6342 2 роки тому

    Numenor was not innocent their transgressions were many, human sacrifice and seeking eternal life are mortal sins. Numenor uses themes of biblical stories Atlantis, Egypt, Babel and the Ancient Israelites, all transgressed all were judged. It is no allegory, it is the mechanics of the moral world of the Bible which is used, the Old Gods also fit into this because the Old Gods also fit into the Bible. Tolkien knew the backstory of the Bible as he knew the backstory of earth. LOTR works because Tolkien adheres to these backstories. Even the incarnation is present in the Legendarium 11:16.

  • @CookedAF2
    @CookedAF2 2 роки тому

    One who would stand in defense of heaven may he himself not rebel against heaven.

  • @rexmagi4606
    @rexmagi4606 2 роки тому +1

    When God sang the Beetles and created the Universe.

  • @barrycardiss4043
    @barrycardiss4043 2 роки тому

    How can someone so knowledgeable and eloquent not be angry or pulling your hair out over Amazon butchering Tolkien's legacy ??

  • @DS-er4ng
    @DS-er4ng 2 роки тому

    "The One" by the orc in the Hobbit movies refers to Morgoth, not Eru.

  • @shotarokaneda7525
    @shotarokaneda7525 2 роки тому

    The concept of a creator who I all powerful is not only western. You can find it in most cultures. Although most western scholars study even African religion from a western perspective. I have never in my 33 years alive met a white man who understood a single African religion, ever ever...I'll apologize if you even name one. From the billions that have been alive. Actually their greatest feat as far as I'm concerned...

  • @xjaysonzx
    @xjaysonzx 2 роки тому +1

    He's not God-like, He is God.

    • @djjdjdbdjsj5353
      @djjdjdbdjsj5353 2 роки тому

      Did he create the void beyond Eä?

    • @xjaysonzx
      @xjaysonzx 2 роки тому

      @@djjdjdbdjsj5353 Yes.

    • @djjdjdbdjsj5353
      @djjdjdbdjsj5353 2 роки тому

      @@xjaysonzx Is there any evidence?
      Also do you think that Eru exists beyond the timeless halls and the non-existence which melkor was sent to?

    • @xjaysonzx
      @xjaysonzx 2 роки тому

      @@djjdjdbdjsj5353 He oversees all, including the realm of nothingness where Morgoth was sent to. He oversees, but is not there.

    • @djjdjdbdjsj5353
      @djjdjdbdjsj5353 2 роки тому

      @@xjaysonzx Did he create it? Does he have power over it? Can he destroy it?

  • @someguyfromsomewhere
    @someguyfromsomewhere 2 роки тому

    Are the elves in the universe also called Eldar like in warhammer 40k? Or am I hearing it wrong? It sounds like Eldar. Or maybe he's saying elder

  • @himerosTheGod
    @himerosTheGod 2 роки тому

    A brilliant man however still a man of his times.

    • @doubleplusdanny
      @doubleplusdanny 2 роки тому

      Would you expect him to be a man from another time?

  • @Boxman-GG
    @Boxman-GG 2 роки тому

    We should refer to him as the prime deity that sounds better they use terms like high elf’s to describe more then one but since the one god is one he shouldn’t have the same sir title

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram Рік тому

    Thee's a lot of information here, and much good content. But as I listen to it, it sounds like numerous separate "paragraphs" that were written independently of one another and then just slammed together. There's no real "narrative unity." And also the style of presentation is... well, I'm not sure how to phrase it. It's just a firehose of words, with no varying cadence for emphasis on some things above others and so on. it's "monotonous." This made it hard to pick out what your main points where and what was supporting material for those points. I've listened to a lot of Tolkien related content the last few days, and some of the others do seem to be superior in these ways I've just described. On the other hand, your *topic* here was something I hadn't heard anyone else talk about - an elaboration of the *nature of Eru* - that's a very interesting subject, so thank you for covering it.

  • @Master_Blackthorne
    @Master_Blackthorne 2 роки тому +2

    Pronounced "TOL-keen," not "kin."

  • @vilhelmthomsen1941
    @vilhelmthomsen1941 2 роки тому

    You say: not part of the original plan(/song). As I read it, Melkors discord is "part of the plan". He is not an outsider coming from elsewhere, he is a top class arsehole trying to destroy (the others Valars work), but he ends up measuring cold, heat, depths and hights - he is NOT a creator, he is part of life (the song). Middle Earth was never ment to be Utopia.

  • @raydavison4288
    @raydavison4288 2 роки тому

    💖

  • @cbriangilbert1978
    @cbriangilbert1978 2 роки тому

    I still don't get it...if Eru is "The One" and such a badass why doesn't he just handle the issues in Middle earth himself? Snap his fingers or some shit?

  • @michaelransom5841
    @michaelransom5841 2 роки тому +1

    wait.... scientists in a lab literally created matter from nothing this last spring... so are humans god now???

    • @chrishumpert608
      @chrishumpert608 2 роки тому +1

      I'm sure they didn't

    • @jamesk1868
      @jamesk1868 2 роки тому

      I don't even have to look into what you said and know they definitely did not lol

    • @michaelransom5841
      @michaelransom5841 2 роки тому +1

      @@jamesk1868 A theory first proposed nearly 70 years ago by Julian Schwinger, one of the founders of quantum field theory, stated that if you apply a massive enough electrical field to a region of space that is completely empty, that space’s quantum field will seize some of this electrical energy and create particle-antiparticle pairs from nothingness.
      Back in January, University of Manchester scientists were working on the conduction of “valence electrons,” essentially trying to get all classes of electrons to join the flow by tinkering with graphene. Although this was not the goal of the experiment, in the process of conducting this research, the strength of the electric fields they created were sufficiently strong that it crossed this threshold and enabled the spontaneous creation of particle-antiparticle pairs from nothing at all.
      This proved that Schwinger's hypothesis was correct, and that creating matter from nothing is indeed possible.

    • @michaelransom5841
      @michaelransom5841 2 роки тому +1

      @@chrishumpert608 A theory first proposed nearly 70 years ago by Julian Schwinger, one of the founders of quantum field theory, stated that if you apply a massive enough electrical field to a region of space that is completely empty, that space’s quantum field will seize some of this electrical energy and create particle-antiparticle pairs from nothingness.
      Back in January, University of Manchester scientists were working on the conduction of “valence electrons,” essentially trying to get all classes of electrons to join the flow by tinkering with graphene. Although this was not the goal of the experiment, in the process of conducting this research, the strength of the electric fields they created were sufficiently strong that it crossed this threshold and enabled the spontaneous creation of particle-antiparticle pairs from nothing at all.
      This proved that Schwinger's hypothesis was correct, and that creating matter from nothing is indeed possible.

  • @camotophat
    @camotophat 2 роки тому

    People were extremely religious for centuries. Christianity in just about every form, was accepted in the western world. Tolkien introducing Catholic ideals and symbolism into his fantasy text was not as big a deal as this video is trying so hard to convince us it was.
    Its only been in the last 15 years or so that the western world has given up on said Christianity.

  • @CookedAF2
    @CookedAF2 2 роки тому

    You're 100% wrong morgoth did not have the power to create life more goth did not have the power to love only the power to corrupt and twist and make evil.

  • @Ingolenuru
    @Ingolenuru 2 роки тому

    Completely zero chance that the man from the sky is Eru. Tom Bombadil or one of the Istari are the only realistic options for him. The show is obviously not true to Tolkien's work but bringing Eru out of the timeless halls is so ludicrous that there would be no point to watching the series except as a fresh work by an author unknown.

  • @JoaoMariaNunes
    @JoaoMariaNunes 2 роки тому +6

    if you read the Silmarilion, the new rings of power won't make any sense...

    • @TRivan-kx2bi
      @TRivan-kx2bi 2 роки тому +2

      If you read the Hobbit, LOTR, Unfinished Tales, and the History of Middle-earth then Rings of Girl Power won't make any sense.

    • @ryancruz1876
      @ryancruz1876 Рік тому

      So? 🥴
      The show never once claims to be an adaptation of The Silmarillion.

    • @JoaoMariaNunes
      @JoaoMariaNunes Рік тому

      @@ryancruz1876 the ROP story line is all messed up and Galadriel is more evil than Sauron itself, if they wanted to make their own thing why using Tolkien legendarium, it only proves they are lazy and talentless...

  • @user-Demis15
    @user-Demis15 2 роки тому +2

    Fantastic 😊🥇

  • @MineKynoMine
    @MineKynoMine 2 роки тому

    What's with the text to speech?