Thank you CP- what a treat!! I loved seeing these all-women teams and the winning team was terrific: fast on the buzzer, good breadth of knowledge, and nice collaboration.
Me too. Love all-men teams, preferably all native Brits. The sex of the contestants is so very important to me, as is their race. Gotta have the right priorities.
Denyer’s reaction to her team member’s answer is rather odd. “I haven’t heard of a species called the windhover” - so she knows all of the bird species? Odder still because Macleod had already proven by that time to be a solid quizzer.
Denyer needs to put a bit more faith in her team, she doesn't have a lot of confidence in some of their answers. They are a good team, with a broad range of knowledge.
19:24 *TRACEY MacLEOD:* I think it's Gerard Manley Hopkins’ “The Windhover.” *CARLA DENYER:* What's the bird of prey? *LIZ JAMES:* Kestrel? *MacLEOD:* Windhover. *DENYER:* Is that the species? I have not heard of it. *MacLEOD:* That's what it's called in the poem. *DENYER:* I've never heard of a species called the windhover. … *AMOL RAJAN:* The poem is indeed “The Windhover.” ~~~~ Sheesh, just because _you_ haven’t heard of it, Carla, doesn’t mean it’s not the right answer.
Denyer does this a couple of times through the episode where she's never heard of the answer or is skeptical but doesn't actually have a better suggestion. I got more and more annoyed each time this happened. You have no clue what it could be, so just go with what your team is telling you! (This is different from the first question about the cellulose fabric where she clearly knew what the answer was but couldn't recall it). MacLeod is incredible. Looking forward to seeing her again.
@@vantilate “ You have no clue what it could be, so just go with what your team is telling you!” That was my thought, also. To paraphrase, you've never heard of a windhover-while MacLeod obviously has-so you're going to be resistant about it? It's nuts.
Really liking Durham. Everyone knows something, there’s good communication and decision making, and they cheer each other on. Looking forward to seeing their progress 👏
It's always impressive to see people who have kept learning after university. When I graduated I could not believe how many people I met in the workplace, also graduates, who never read nor increased their general knowledge.
Working class doesn't have the time luxury and privilege to accumulate facts quizzing is elitist and mainly pursued by the upper class who have all the time and no pressure in life
@@tejassuresh8221 Plenty of middle and upper-middle class workers have pressures in life. Not the same pressures as the working class but it's ridiculous to assume that these careers do not entail pressure. None of these, based on their occupations, seem to be higher than slightly upper middle class. I'm sure they've all faced plenty of pressure in their careers. And--you're acting as if "elitist" pursuits are pointless. Every class of individuals need their entertainment and this an absolutely harmless one, even fun and enriching. Really don't understand your negativity or point of view here.
Thanks yes, very much, I listen to UC each night, i go back years there are so many great episodes, it's just brilliant to learn something useful. Appreciate you keeping us up to date xxx merry Christmas to you x
@@peterhind9401 What's patronizing about it? In the history of all graduates from these universities, I'm sure there are more than eight women as eligible for this as the male graduates from these universities. It isn't like they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for the purpose of inclusion. So they chose to go with a certain demographic--that's certainly a choice by broadcasters, but one that doesn't take away from these women's achievements or capability. I'm sure these women don't feel patronized. They know they've earned the right to be there and I'm sure they've enjoyed the opportunity.
Why is it that if it's an all male team, they're picking contestants on merit, but when its an all female team, they're picking them based on their gender? Shocking that you've seen the performance that Durham just put in and you reckon they were only picked because they're women and not for their ability... @dertyp1769
@@sarahbosley1164 its insanely unlikely considering the usual make-up of teams. The majority have been 3:1 Men:Women. And im pretty sure that stat already overrepresents women, since i think the teams are mandated to have one on the team. Otherwise full men teams should be way more common, and i havent seen one, but i havent been watching for long. Happy to be proven wrong though. And i obviously think cheering for a gender is pretty lame anyways.
That was an utter delight! What a fab team!! Lovely to watch. So sorry for the losers - they didn't have a leg to stand on. Thanks for this CP - wishing you and yours a lovely old Christmas!
Thank you so much Cosmic. I live in the US now and can watch this here (local time) as though I was there watching in real time. I logged on this evening wishing for the festive feast of these, and there it was. Thanks again.
He kinda massacred that too, stressing on the wrong consonant. Also, anyone listening to his pronunciation of CV Raman without a context would be left wondering whom he was talking about.
I bet a number of home viewers screamed "oranges" at the mention of Jeanette Winterson's name. I know I did. A canny bit of misdirection from the question writers.
WOW... this was so good and so bad at the same time. O.O, [Can we agree that Smith Galer is like a child in delight? xD], as always someone somewhere is always shouting an answer: Here: SODIUM!!!! (but that's because I'm a veterinarian), also Down's syndrome (also just because I have a cousin with the condition), also also... NUCLEUS!!! I mean, it was painful to hear N-U-C and they not getting it. xD (And this also, just because I like astronomy). =)
We need more participation from women, minorities and indigenous groups in quizzing for too long quizzing has not been a diverse enterprise in almost all the countries
Horror captain in Denyer - overly confident with unnecessary filler reactions and emotions. Not a captain whom the team would love to play for. Read the other 3's body language
Oh gosh, Amol, please please think about something else to say than the ridiculous spiel that the losers lost because of bad luck and not having momentum. It’s clear as day that they simply lost because they are the weaker team. If they had lost by 5 to 20 points, perhaps it’s down to bad luck. But when a team lost by a landslide, this just could not be the case. When he keeps repeating the same nonsensical spiel week after week, it comes across as lazy and disingenuous.
It is becoming increasingly and distressingly clear to me that when people start gabbbing on about "wokery," it is because they see everything through their own obsessive racial lens. They are, in other words, racists, plain and simple.
I have to ask if the questions in this programme are subtlety white, middle class, Christian centric. I don't think the points disparity can be explained otherwise . 2 teams of equal quality and renown such as these ?
They all grew up in the UK, had an English/British education - probably one of the best levellers. The rest is up to curiosity. Also, many of the questions are related to the professions of the contestants. Sour grapes to suggest that the questions were stacked against one team because of ethnicity.
One team chose to select their team from women graduates (about 50% of the graduate pool), the other chose to select their team from women graduates of non-European ethnic origin (obviously a far smaller pool of graduates). What you just saw is meritocracy in action. If you intentionally have quotas and limit yourselves, you will lose out in a competitive environment.
Having heard them, do you honestly think so? Of the starter questions it seems to me that only the music/culture question might be. You cannot think of any other explanation, maybe simply a gulf in knowledge and quizzing ability?
@@barbarak2836were there any this season even? And not picking based on gender probably makes completly male teams much more common than full female teams, looking at the usual distribution for at least this seasons teams at least.
If anything that doesn't contain at least one white anglo-saxon male is "box-ticking" in your eyes, then I suggest you need to examine your own prejudices and think about the world as it is, and, perhaps, the world as it ought to be. Your defensiveness comes across as weakness to me.
"The quest for good is a marathon and not a sprint; it is measured over years, not fleeting moments; over failures and missteps and, of course, successes." Yomi Adegoke, Slay In Your Lane: The Black Girl Bible Oh dear oh dear. Thankfully we have sane Voices in this modern world who have passed but are still as relevant as ever... "No man's really any good till he knows how bad he is, or might be; till he's realised exactly how much right he has to all this snobbery, and sneering, and talking about 'criminals,' as if they were apes in a forest ten thousand miles away; till he's got rid of all the dirty self-deception of talking about low types and deficient skulls; till he's squeezed out of his soul the last drop of the oil of the Pharisees; till his only hope is somehow or other to have captured one criminal, and kept him safe and sane under his own hat." G.K. Chesterton, The Complete Father Brown
Mcleod's range of knowledge was amazing. Amol being her former editor, that must have been one incredible newsroom.
@@Zoomo2697 I think you're referring to Denyer, the original comment is talking about Mcleod
Do you know what nassim taleb says about journalists
Thank you CP- what a treat!! I loved seeing these all-women teams and the winning team was terrific: fast on the buzzer, good breadth of knowledge, and nice collaboration.
Me too. Love all-men teams, preferably all native Brits. The sex of the contestants is so very important to me, as is their race. Gotta have the right priorities.
Denyer’s reaction to her team member’s answer is rather odd. “I haven’t heard of a species called the windhover” - so she knows all of the bird species? Odder still because Macleod had already proven by that time to be a solid quizzer.
Thanks, Cosmic P!
I LOVE the Christmas shows! The questions are so much easier that I end up feeling very smug! LOL!
MacLeod is brilliant. Why would her captain question her on the name of the bird? Tsk. Tsk.
I feel so smug since I scored more points than Warwick! Usually can't answer most of the usual UC questions, so I love the Christmas episodes!
The questions are easier for the Christmas specials. But yes well done.
Denyer needs to put a bit more faith in her team, she doesn't have a lot of confidence in some of their answers. They are a good team, with a broad range of knowledge.
19:24 *TRACEY MacLEOD:* I think it's Gerard Manley Hopkins’ “The Windhover.”
*CARLA DENYER:* What's the bird of prey?
*LIZ JAMES:* Kestrel?
*MacLEOD:* Windhover.
*DENYER:* Is that the species? I have not heard of it.
*MacLEOD:* That's what it's called in the poem.
*DENYER:* I've never heard of a species called the windhover.
…
*AMOL RAJAN:* The poem is indeed “The Windhover.”
~~~~
Sheesh, just because _you_ haven’t heard of it, Carla, doesn’t mean it’s not the right answer.
Indeed. I wanted someone to say that's what it does. But at least they didn't talk themselves out of it.
I figured someone would've commented on this. I really felt for MacLeod there. Overall her and Smith Galer were fantastic.
Tracey MacLeod was spectacular!
Denyer does this a couple of times through the episode where she's never heard of the answer or is skeptical but doesn't actually have a better suggestion. I got more and more annoyed each time this happened. You have no clue what it could be, so just go with what your team is telling you! (This is different from the first question about the cellulose fabric where she clearly knew what the answer was but couldn't recall it).
MacLeod is incredible. Looking forward to seeing her again.
@@vantilate “ You have no clue what it could be, so just go with what your team is telling you!”
That was my thought, also. To paraphrase, you've never heard of a windhover-while MacLeod obviously has-so you're going to be resistant about it? It's nuts.
Really liking Durham. Everyone knows something, there’s good communication and decision making, and they cheer each other on. Looking forward to seeing their progress 👏
It's always impressive to see people who have kept learning after university. When I graduated I could not believe how many people I met in the workplace, also graduates, who never read nor increased their general knowledge.
Working class doesn't have the time luxury and privilege to accumulate facts quizzing is elitist and mainly pursued by the upper class who have all the time and no pressure in life
@@tejassuresh8221 Plenty of middle and upper-middle class workers have pressures in life. Not the same pressures as the working class but it's ridiculous to assume that these careers do not entail pressure. None of these, based on their occupations, seem to be higher than slightly upper middle class. I'm sure they've all faced plenty of pressure in their careers. And--you're acting as if "elitist" pursuits are pointless. Every class of individuals need their entertainment and this an absolutely harmless one, even fun and enriching. Really don't understand your negativity or point of view here.
@@talisa222 you can't compare the pressures of a playwright with that of a coal mine worker
These upper class jobs are mostly unproductive its the working class that works productive jobs and feeds the country
Thanks for posting - Durham was brilliant Just loved it.
Thanks yes, very much, I listen to UC each night, i go back years there are so many great episodes, it's just brilliant to learn something useful. Appreciate you keeping us up to date xxx merry Christmas to you x
Thank you, Cosmic Pumpkin! Is this the first UC with an all-woman panel?! It's brilliant to behold.
Why exactly is it 'brilliant to behold' two sets of all- women teams? It seems to me to be excessively 'patronising'.
@@peterhind9401 What's patronizing about it? In the history of all graduates from these universities, I'm sure there are more than eight women as eligible for this as the male graduates from these universities. It isn't like they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for the purpose of inclusion. So they chose to go with a certain demographic--that's certainly a choice by broadcasters, but one that doesn't take away from these women's achievements or capability. I'm sure these women don't feel patronized. They know they've earned the right to be there and I'm sure they've enjoyed the opportunity.
Meh, pretty lame to pick contestants based on gender.
Why is it that if it's an all male team, they're picking contestants on merit, but when its an all female team, they're picking them based on their gender? Shocking that you've seen the performance that Durham just put in and you reckon they were only picked because they're women and not for their ability... @dertyp1769
@@sarahbosley1164 its insanely unlikely considering the usual make-up of teams. The majority have been 3:1 Men:Women.
And im pretty sure that stat already overrepresents women, since i think the teams are mandated to have one on the team. Otherwise full men teams should be way more common, and i havent seen one, but i havent been watching for long.
Happy to be proven wrong though.
And i obviously think cheering for a gender is pretty lame anyways.
Thank you, Cosmic Pumpkin!! Happy holidays and happy Christmas if you celebrate.
Tracey MacLeod is so awesome! Great episode. Merry Christmas to all who celebrate.
Love Christmas UC, what a pleasant surprise to have a rare all-women lineup! Wishing everyone a lovely festive season
Macleod and Denyer might never speak again
Thanks so much, CosmicPumpkin!
Damn Denyer is really good even though it feels the questions are easier in these episodes
That was a wonderful episode... thanks CP. Happy holidays and happy Christmas.
Thanks CosmicPumpkin from India . Love watching these. Denyer needs to keep McLeod happy if they want to win, rubbed her quite a bit in this one.
Thank you and Happy Christmas!
That was an utter delight! What a fab team!! Lovely to watch. So sorry for the losers - they didn't have a leg to stand on. Thanks for this CP - wishing you and yours a lovely old Christmas!
Wasn't expecting this, thank you so much!
Thank you so much Cosmic. I live in the US now and can watch this here (local time) as though I was there watching in real time. I logged on this evening wishing for the festive feast of these, and there it was. Thanks again.
Is there a quizzing show like university challenge in America
5:14 a rare moment of Amol pronouncing a word from an Indian language correctly 😂
He kinda massacred that too, stressing on the wrong consonant. Also, anyone listening to his pronunciation of CV Raman without a context would be left wondering whom he was talking about.
Cocteau Twins mentioned!!
Not by any of the contestants though... a bit surprising given some of their ages.
@@PhatInAHat Not really. I love the Cocteaus but they are nowhere near mainstream
Only took me a second to answer... well perhaps a few, wonder if Liz watches?
Dominating win by a fairly well distributed team
MacLeod deserves to be on any quiz team. Very impressive
I bet a number of home viewers screamed "oranges" at the mention of Jeanette Winterson's name. I know I did. A canny bit of misdirection from the question writers.
Christmas episodes certainly make me feel very clever, I even knew answer that both teams didn't. Thank you CP.
Team Woke v Team Menopause….Merry Christmas
These questions are meant to be easier than the ones in the regular University Challenge episodes, right?...
Happy holidays Cosmic Pumpkin!
13:54 a shame thqt no one knew the answer but glad to hear more of the song
WOW... this was so good and so bad at the same time. O.O, [Can we agree that Smith Galer is like a child in delight? xD], as always someone somewhere is always shouting an answer:
Here: SODIUM!!!! (but that's because I'm a veterinarian), also Down's syndrome (also just because I have a cousin with the condition), also also... NUCLEUS!!! I mean, it was painful to hear N-U-C and they not getting it. xD (And this also, just because I like astronomy). =)
I knew more of the answers that the standard competition😁
I'm so excited for this years Christmas University Challenge! 5 episodes in one week! Just amazing
Bit worried about teams being super slow (like they were in Paxman's time); hope this is faster! Comments looking good!
I wish I could develop 1% of the eloquence, articulation, and speakig skills that Denyer has.
Awesome merry Christmas cosmic pumpkin thank you 🎉❤
We need more participation from women, minorities and indigenous groups in quizzing for too long quizzing has not been a diverse enterprise in almost all the countries
No we don't! We just want smart people
Why? Since when did participation in a quiz show become dependent on one's identity?
Done, Durham was like a pro, wow
Wow do I wish he had said "no, youre crazy" to the Gaslight answer.
Merry Christmas 🎄
Wasabi?? Khalid LOOOL
Cosmic Pumpkin comes through again!🏆
COCTEAU TWINS
Horror captain in Denyer - overly confident with unnecessary filler reactions and emotions. Not a captain whom the team would love to play for. Read the other 3's body language
Doesn’t Warwick allow Wasps in?
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All women … almost no women when undergraduates … um …. ?
Oh gosh, Amol, please please think about something else to say than the ridiculous spiel that the losers lost because of bad luck and not having momentum. It’s clear as day that they simply lost because they are the weaker team. If they had lost by 5 to 20 points, perhaps it’s down to bad luck. But when a team lost by a landslide, this just could not be the case. When he keeps repeating the same nonsensical spiel week after week, it comes across as lazy and disingenuous.
Rajan is a moron of the permanent kind.
The English team destroys the woke team. Not a single English name on the Warwick team. As the English would say "well done".
Why so much anger on diversity all humans deserve a chance
It is becoming increasingly and distressingly clear to me that when people start gabbbing on about "wokery," it is because they see everything through their own obsessive racial lens. They are, in other words, racists, plain and simple.
How sad you are. BTW Smith Galer is half-Italian.
I have to ask if the questions in this programme are subtlety white, middle class, Christian centric. I don't think the points disparity can be explained otherwise . 2 teams of equal quality and renown such as these ?
They all grew up in the UK, had an English/British education - probably one of the best levellers. The rest is up to curiosity. Also, many of the questions are related to the professions of the contestants. Sour grapes to suggest that the questions were stacked against one team because of ethnicity.
One team chose to select their team from women graduates (about 50% of the graduate pool), the other chose to select their team from women graduates of non-European ethnic origin (obviously a far smaller pool of graduates).
What you just saw is meritocracy in action. If you intentionally have quotas and limit yourselves, you will lose out in a competitive environment.
Most questions in the indian quizzing scene is brahmin centric so not surprising
@@tejassuresh8221 that's a broad sweeping statement with no basis or proof. Present analysis/data if you have.
Having heard them, do you honestly think so? Of the starter questions it seems to me that only the music/culture question might be. You cannot think of any other explanation, maybe simply a gulf in knowledge and quizzing ability?
Why only women
What about all the teams that are only men? No one seems to question that.
Do you honestly think the Warwick team was the product of a meritocratic selection process?
@@barbarak2836were there any this season even?
And not picking based on gender probably makes completly male teams much more common than full female teams, looking at the usual distribution for at least this seasons teams at least.
@@barbarak2836men seem to do better at quizzes. Prove me wrong
More box ticking bollox
Kinda like your comment you mean?
Misogynist. Tick!
One could draw the conclusion from the final score that limiting your talent pool causes you to lose and lose badly in a competitive environment.
If anything that doesn't contain at least one white anglo-saxon male is "box-ticking" in your eyes, then I suggest you need to examine your own prejudices and think about the world as it is, and, perhaps, the world as it ought to be. Your defensiveness comes across as weakness to me.
You could have had at least one man
Not when one team comprises a bunch of l_s_i_n_
How come there are no men in these teams?
"The quest for good is a marathon and not a sprint; it is measured over years, not fleeting moments; over failures and missteps and, of course, successes."
Yomi Adegoke, Slay In Your Lane: The Black Girl Bible
Oh dear oh dear.
Thankfully we have sane Voices in this modern world who have passed but are still as relevant as ever...
"No man's really any good till he knows how bad he is, or might be; till he's realised exactly how much right he has to all this snobbery, and sneering, and talking about 'criminals,' as if they were apes in a forest ten thousand miles away; till he's got rid of all the dirty self-deception of talking about low types and deficient skulls; till he's squeezed out of his soul the last drop of the oil of the Pharisees; till his only hope is somehow or other to have captured one criminal, and kept him safe and sane under his own hat."
G.K. Chesterton, The Complete Father Brown
Not knowing The Cocteau Twins should be an automatic 50 point deduction 😮😢
Yeah, amazing band. Just a little too obscure
me again and... YES