I really like this horse and his rider. The horse is balanced and has an even cadence all throughout the pattern. The rider does a lovely job of communicating and her cues are subtle. I like the way the horse is truly jogging and loping as well. The only thing I would like to see different is an easier, more suttle back.
Totally agree .. I made some comments to another video NYATT Congress Western Pleasure 2016. These were appalling examples of the way horses are trained to artificially move ... This horse is a beautiful moving animal, and should be (maybe a tad slower) the way all WP horses should* move.
This horse was very aware of where she was going during her lead changes. I disagree that her slight bend into the change was bad thing. I also agree the details have changed so much since the '70's. The reins being so loose they look like double dutch ropes and the near trotting in back at a lope. No wonder these horse get problems in their stifles. It probably does as much damage over time as big lick horses on their joints.
so when she says zero thats bad correct? I have not done much patterns, but assuming thats bad. So if my thinking is correct then why was her first lope transition and going over the log a second time zero? I cant see what made it too bad.
A zero means it wasn't bad but it didn't deserve a point. A zero is basically average, not good or bad. The judge zeroed the lope over the log because the mare was slightly long, vs. meeting it in stride and not having to adjust afterward.
I like western riding more than English because in western you want the horse to be in a relaxed position, with their head down- as they are naturally. In English, I feel as if they are pulling on the horse’s mouth and head more. As well as how in western you ideally trust your horse and don’t need contact constantly.
I agree. I hate how English riders always talk about “trusting your horse” but the second they can’t feel the horse’s mouth both the horse and rider become messes. Also the whole “head down is bad” argument. Literally zero basis, my horse has her head down because of her sloped shoulders and relaxation, not because I force it with draw reins (not even what they do…). I hate seeing show jumpers say “my horse is so well trained!!” when they can barely get them to stop after going over a 1.5’ crossrail. And I hate dressage riders that say “my horse is so bombproof,” ok, let’s put a bouquet of flowers that are red instead of purple on the ground and watch your horse lose their marbles at it. In my experience, western horses are more pleasant and easy to work with and enjoy. English horses are far too high strung and nutso, but with proper work they can be comfortable
there seems to be some misunderstanding concerning contact here. contact means that the horse is on the aids and it has very little to do with the reins itself. even on a long rein, you should be able to feel the horses mouth. in english riding the rider is in no way supposed to hold the horses head in any positition- self carriage is literally the goal. horse shows are terrible no matter where you look unless its small local shows, whether its dressage riders using hyperflexion or reining.. and of course, you ought to have less "in your hand" with a curb bit than a snaffle. even western riders who ride in a snaffle have their reins relatively short. many modern warmbloods are very high in blood especially show jumpers which most riders including most competitive riders cant handle. its not uncommon for them to lose all brakes once they start a course
@@lilik6945 actually, you should never feel a properly soft horse’s mouth. A well trained horse will get off the bit so fast that they’ll hold it but not pull it.
@@tw_neo708 im confused with what youre saying here. feeling the mouth is very different from having weight on the reins, soft feel is a principle taught is western riding as well. what do you mean by get off the bit? "on the bit" means attentive to the rein aids and in frame, why would you want your horse off the bit?
@@lilik6945 yes, I agree feeling the mouth is different. But with a well trained western horse, you should never even feel the mouth. Most of the English horses I’ve ridden are super hard mouthed. By on the bit I mean in frame and correct but fighting against it. There’s a reason the only times western riders wear gloves is when it’s cold and when roping.
From my experience and knowledge in the field, horses like to be ridden and otherwise worked as long as you’re not pushing them to do more than is comfortable. Horses need mental stimulation in order to be healthy. As well as exercise. Working your horse provides benefits for both of you. Aside from that, it’s amazing for bonding with your horse. The relationship between a horse and rider is incredible. As with many domestic animals, I’ve also noticed that horses want to feel important.
I don't think you are wrong that horses would prefer to not be ridden. The original intent of western pleasure was to simulate the teamwork between horse and rider while at work or while traveling somewhere. Covering ground with minimal effort and plenty of endurance; ready to chase cattle, speed up, etc. Without making it obvious what the rider is communicating. Both moving as one. It has gone from beauty pageant/popularity show/ and stressful demonstration of ones wealth.
I really like this horse and his rider. The horse is balanced and has an even cadence all throughout the pattern. The rider does a lovely job of communicating and her cues are subtle. I like the way the horse is truly jogging and loping as well. The only thing I would like to see different is an easier, more suttle back.
much better looking than the current standard for Western Pleasure horses. This horse actually has some life to it!! Nice to see :)
Totally agree .. I made some comments to another video NYATT Congress Western Pleasure 2016. These were appalling examples of the way horses are trained to artificially move ... This horse is a beautiful moving animal, and should be (maybe a tad slower) the way all WP horses should* move.
Not very forward. Rather stilted. Took me by surprise when the judge said nice forward ride. That lope had like 6 beats.
This horse was very aware of where she was going during her lead changes. I disagree that her slight bend into the change was bad thing. I also agree the details have changed so much since the '70's. The reins being so loose they look like double dutch ropes and the near trotting in back at a lope. No wonder these horse get problems in their stifles. It probably does as much damage over time as big lick horses on their joints.
These two are a great pair! They are slow enough but are still forward and natural looking! I definitely enjoy it!
you can call this ride a lot of things but “forward” is not one of them X)
@@just4540 it’s forward for wp lol
@@just4540 this is forward, have you even seen this sport? They move like that, plus that mare is a good horse.
Wow, awesome. So much has changed in 7 years and not for the good. She is doing a real jog and a real lope. Beautiful job!
Right now I didn't want to show Western Pleasure this year and this is the way for me to practice and listen to so I know what to do at my show
so when she says zero thats bad correct? I have not done much patterns, but assuming thats bad. So if my thinking is correct then why was her first lope transition and going over the log a second time zero? I cant see what made it too bad.
A zero means it wasn't bad but it didn't deserve a point. A zero is basically average, not good or bad. The judge zeroed the lope over the log because the mare was slightly long, vs. meeting it in stride and not having to adjust afterward.
Who is the rider? Name of the horse?
Deanna Green Blazinmytroublesaway
I like western riding more than English because in western you want the horse to be in a relaxed position, with their head down- as they are naturally. In English, I feel as if they are pulling on the horse’s mouth and head more. As well as how in western you ideally trust your horse and don’t need contact constantly.
I agree. I hate how English riders always talk about “trusting your horse” but the second they can’t feel the horse’s mouth both the horse and rider become messes. Also the whole “head down is bad” argument. Literally zero basis, my horse has her head down because of her sloped shoulders and relaxation, not because I force it with draw reins (not even what they do…). I hate seeing show jumpers say “my horse is so well trained!!” when they can barely get them to stop after going over a 1.5’ crossrail. And I hate dressage riders that say “my horse is so bombproof,” ok, let’s put a bouquet of flowers that are red instead of purple on the ground and watch your horse lose their marbles at it. In my experience, western horses are more pleasant and easy to work with and enjoy. English horses are far too high strung and nutso, but with proper work they can be comfortable
there seems to be some misunderstanding concerning contact here. contact means that the horse is on the aids and it has very little to do with the reins itself. even on a long rein, you should be able to feel the horses mouth. in english riding the rider is in no way supposed to hold the horses head in any positition- self carriage is literally the goal. horse shows are terrible no matter where you look unless its small local shows, whether its dressage riders using hyperflexion or reining.. and of course, you ought to have less "in your hand" with a curb bit than a snaffle. even western riders who ride in a snaffle have their reins relatively short. many modern warmbloods are very high in blood especially show jumpers which most riders including most competitive riders cant handle. its not uncommon for them to lose all brakes once they start a course
@@lilik6945 actually, you should never feel a properly soft horse’s mouth. A well trained horse will get off the bit so fast that they’ll hold it but not pull it.
@@tw_neo708 im confused with what youre saying here. feeling the mouth is very different from having weight on the reins, soft feel is a principle taught is western riding as well. what do you mean by get off the bit? "on the bit" means attentive to the rein aids and in frame, why would you want your horse off the bit?
@@lilik6945 yes, I agree feeling the mouth is different. But with a well trained western horse, you should never even feel the mouth. Most of the English horses I’ve ridden are super hard mouthed. By on the bit I mean in frame and correct but fighting against it. There’s a reason the only times western riders wear gloves is when it’s cold and when roping.
No freaking way that is my aunt and her horse i’m pretty sure
the lope looks lovely, looks as if the rider is gently floating
omg i ride english this looks soooo weirdddddd.
the patience of the horse to retain his livlyness
No horse loves to do that they want to be in a heard or in pasture not be riden
From my experience and knowledge in the field, horses like to be ridden and otherwise worked as long as you’re not pushing them to do more than is comfortable.
Horses need mental stimulation in order to be healthy. As well as exercise. Working your horse provides benefits for both of you. Aside from that, it’s amazing for bonding with your horse. The relationship between a horse and rider is incredible. As with many domestic animals, I’ve also noticed that horses want to feel important.
I don't think you are wrong that horses would prefer to not be ridden. The original intent of western pleasure was to simulate the teamwork between horse and rider while at work or while traveling somewhere. Covering ground with minimal effort and plenty of endurance; ready to chase cattle, speed up, etc. Without making it obvious what the rider is communicating. Both moving as one. It has gone from beauty pageant/popularity show/ and stressful demonstration of ones wealth.