I dunno....an academic sending his graduate students to do dangerous field work so he can publish groundbreaking research might be the most believable part of Star Wars
I would like you to imagine being a Rakatan on Varl when your force powers (And the 80-90% of your tech that relies on it) stop working. Suddenly you have these ampibious snake-slugs made of pure muscle coming at you, alongside their cousins: Sentient Rhinos with little arms to use guns.
If Legends had continued, I really would have been interested in seeing more fallout from the collapse of the Treaty of Vontor. Specifically as it pertains to what's left of the Hutt power base.
And how absolutely BRUTALIZED they were by the Vong. In Canon, with the Hutt Council being murdered by Jaba, the Treaty of Vontor is dissolved in 4 aby so we might see
I would have wanted the continuity to, well, continue so to tie up loose ends like the ultimate fates of folk like Zayne Carrick. These extra lore bits will stay secondary, if not left ambiguous.
Agree as for 25,000m give or take that treaty had been the bedrock of hutt power, indenturing several subject races to serve them in many different capacities. So with its collaspe and couples with the kicking they got off the vong, suspect that hutt power and controlled space is going to shrink radically down to a few controlled star systems around nal hutta, if legends had continued after fate novel series..
5:10 What kind of fission bombs were the hutts using that kept a world irradiated for 25 millennia? Because even the dirtiest bomb we can think of, a cobalt salted nuke, will only be threatening to life for around 130+ years. Most nuclear blast dissipate to safe levels within a week.
@@CoreysDatapad Seems fair enough. Though it's just strange a world with just a little radiation can be not only lifeless but abandoned for that long. Someone should try to recolonize them.
@@mill2712, not completely related, but I actually made up an alternate post-Endor timeline where an independent Tionese republic tried to do exactly that.
You should definitely do a video on Xim someday. The Despotica is such a gold mine of obscure lore to be discussed at length. From the historical events, to the dramatizations of Xim's life, to Xim's connections to the GenoHaradan, to his fearsome War Robots. But perhaps the strangest footnote is the War Robot ZIMM, who survived to the modern era and claimed to be a mind-upload of the infamous Despot.
Yo could we get a follow up maybe about the Kajidic system and how it actually worked? Cause besides the Treaty of Vontor, it seems like a bunch of physically incapable slugs relying on armies of (by nature) violent and treacherous mercenaries to not kill and rob them in a mass mutiny. But… they clearly have something in place to avoid it. But are they a Paper Tiger? Slave armies with exploder chips can only do so much. Once they’re allies dip they’re done
The Hutts are _not_ a physically incapable race; they're devastating physical combatants, for whatever that's worth in a galaxy full of blasters and force adepts (though Hutts can make use of those, too.) They're big, but a young, fit Hutt is stronger and tougher than any of those 'tough' bipeds like Trandoshans or Wookies. Plus, Hutts are known for being smart, quick on their mental feet, and strong willed. Part of the problem is small sample size, with more than a dash of the inmates running the asylum. That is, George only ever showed us Jabba, and he's what Hutts aspire to, not a typical example, but every time some fanfic writer (even those employed by Lucasfilm to create new _Star Wars_ media) decides they need a mob boss they thoughtlessly cast Jabba in the role, so we keep seeing one decadent mob boss Hutt after another.
Great video, I'd like to see more about the Tionese. Whole worlds being lost is a cool concept and something that happens in real life with cities, I just watched a video about a lost Welsh Kingdom
I've actually tried to create a whole lore for the Tionese in an alternate post-Endor timeline. Basically, after the Empire, and then the Zsinj Empire collapsed, the Tionese used that opportunity to rebel, using reactivated Separatist-era battle droids armies and fleets to drive out Imperial forces, priates, and other criminal scum, before declaring independence as their own republic, the Republic of Tion. After this, Tion would annex all the former Tionese sectors, and create a Tionese vassal state in the old Warrior's Trace known as the Salin Confederation, based on Jabiim. In the years after the Galactic Civil War, Tion would go on to become one of the most powerful states in the Outer Rim, building up the 2nd largest military - the Tionese Defense Forces (TDF), that was only rivaled by the New Republic Defense Forces (NRDF) - and establishing economic and military ties with many former Separatist worlds, such as Serenno and Mustafar. They even made a (somewhat tenous) peace with the New Republic and established trade with them. But Tion's biggest endeavor would be the so-called Kiriium Reclamation Initiative, which - as the name suggests - was about terraforming and colonizing the Ash Worlds/Kiriium Reaches, so that they (along with the Salin Confederation) could eventually be incorporated in Tion proper, just like the Thanium Worlds had been. Can you tell I spent way too much time thinking about this?
I would love to see more about the pre and early Republic period. I read the Han Solo adventure collection that is one of the earliest EU publications (1979 -1980) and they introduce XIm, Tion and also the Corporate Sector with some rich but mostly overlooked lore.
The Hutts depending on the era were the 2nd or 3rd strongest power in the galaxy. Warrior conquerors and genocidaires without pity for 10,000 years. Lords of the underworld for 15,000. Possessed of both the patience of beings who live a thousand years, and the utter lack of moral scruple with the pragmatism to run empires. They deserve the fearsome reputation they have IU.
if you want to understand how mindblowingly over-powered both factions were, there was a story that takes place during the Yuzzan Vong war where the Vong attemp to take a desert planet that was a former factory world of Xim the Despot, the New Republic garrison managed to activate and repair a 1000 ancient battledroids from the ancient and abandoned factories dotted around the planet prior to the battle and the final result of the land battle was 90% of the land army of the Vong was wiped out before the garisson and the ancient battledroids were destroyed!
This doesn’t even get into the Hutt cataclysm and the brutality of that as well - have you ever considered doing an episode on the Despotica by per chance? There is quite a lot of interesting stuff that didn’t make it into the essential guide to warfare broadly that also would be interesting to highlight
5:30 "named this way because star wars has like 5 different families" Everybody memes on Rey Skywalker/Palpatine but Star Wars was doing that long, long before the Sequels. Regardless of Legends or Disney Canon, it's still kind of dumb to just have like 10 families in which the entirety of galactic politics revolves around.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yes. They chose her name (1) as an Indiana Jones joke and (2) because "Antilles" is a ridiculously common last name in-universe. For example, the Corellian Wedge Antilles is not related to the Alderaanian Raymus Antilles beyond both being human.
Empires and Republics rise and fall all the time in this franchise's history, yet somehow the Hutts have managed to stick around pretty much as they are without any real setbacks 🤔
I wouldn't say that those who could challenge the Hutts are few. There have been several powers that held enough strength and resources to not only contest the Hutts, but crush them had they been so inclined. The Hutts'success has far more to do with expertly playing all sides politically and economically. Yes, they have the potential for military might, but it's specifically because they didn't compete militarily with most of the major galactic powers that they remained intact for so long. The Galactic Empire could have absolutely crushed the Hutts, there was just no need to do so with the Hutts largely cooperating and paying the Empire. Similarly the New Republic had the military and economy to conquer the Hutts but their own charters and policies prevented that ever being considered. The same can be said for the Republic and Confederacy. The Vong did conquer Hutt space completely devoting only a fraction of their attention to it.
"The biggest military power" being able to beat them fits within the definition of "few", and at the times they did change their soft power to hard power, people took notice, and were suitably worried about them. That's part of why they were able to survive the entirety of galactic history as a relatively independent power. The Empire *could* destroy them, but it wouldn't be simple, and that's a very short period of galactic history. The point being, thinking of them as a small regional power is inaccurate, especially when looking at the context of tens of thousands of years of galactic history, and not simply the last 50 years of it.
@CoreysDatapad what's so hard? Hutts unlike rebellion don't have any real plot armour besides them being icons of crime for star wars. But it's problematic enough for Disney I could see them ditching hutts for some more family friendly or just new original version of them. Take out the hutts, replace them with any other cartel or crime structure from star wars, and you won't lose anything unlike with rebellion which is essential for continuation of republic. Send Vader after them, the worlds where hutts are too entrenched can be simply blown up with a death star or bombarded into dust with star destroyers. Still don't see issue.
For all their criminality and greed, that defines them in original trilogy era of star wars, back right at the dorn of star wars history, they did had some bite to them, militarily speaking, even if it was a horrendously terrible bite to it, such as use of terror tactics, that explained how it became a local galactic power in the days of the old republic.
All the more reason to covertly pacify their ranks and populations in the Hutt side of things, this fearmongering topic. 2:23: Man, I miss Dogfights-era History Channel.
I know this has nothing to do with the video, but I cannot get over how it is called “Xer’s Empire” while “Xe/xim/xer” is sometimes used as a neopronoun. It’s like naming somewhere “His empire”
Well Xer's Empire was there before neopronouns. And Naming somewhere his empire at least by the inhabitants of said empire isnt as weired as it sounds. Because if a ruler has lived for long enought there may be people that lived only under the same lets say monarch for decades. Maybe even their entire life. Since the monarch hasnt changed for a long time his than can be used as a stand in for the monarch.
It's definitely more widely used now, but Xe as a pronoun probably predates both Xer (2005) and Xim (1980). The names were probably chosen because they sound like standard sci Fi baddies, but it is a funny coincidence.
@@CoreysDatapad Interesting I thought the Material was older. Plus in my mother language the pronouns arent that important generally in the languge so for me neo pronouns are a completly new thing plus pretty unimportant in day to day life.
I dunno....an academic sending his graduate students to do dangerous field work so he can publish groundbreaking research might be the most believable part of Star Wars
Well said.
"Did you ever read the thesis of Darth Plagueis the Wise...?"
I just KNOW that Corey was making the ships for EAW and was thinking “jesus christ… this stuff is nuts. I can make a video about this.”
I love that datapad videos are good companion videos when playing EAWx.
I would like you to imagine being a Rakatan on Varl when your force powers (And the 80-90% of your tech that relies on it) stop working. Suddenly you have these ampibious snake-slugs made of pure muscle coming at you, alongside their cousins: Sentient Rhinos with little arms to use guns.
If Legends had continued, I really would have been interested in seeing more fallout from the collapse of the Treaty of Vontor. Specifically as it pertains to what's left of the Hutt power base.
And how absolutely BRUTALIZED they were by the Vong. In Canon, with the Hutt Council being murdered by Jaba, the Treaty of Vontor is dissolved in 4 aby so we might see
I would have wanted the continuity to, well, continue so to tie up loose ends like the ultimate fates of folk like Zayne Carrick. These extra lore bits will stay secondary, if not left ambiguous.
Agree as for 25,000m give or take that treaty had been the bedrock of hutt power, indenturing several subject races to serve them in many different capacities. So with its collaspe and couples with the kicking they got off the vong, suspect that hutt power and controlled space is going to shrink radically down to a few controlled star systems around nal hutta, if legends had continued after fate novel series..
There is an important world not pictured on the map of Xim's Empire. Settled about 600 years earlier, and in between Lianna and Belderone. Ossus.
There's a few other important worlds (some more directly relevant to the period) but it was getting fairly cramped.
5:10
What kind of fission bombs were the hutts using that kept a world irradiated for 25 millennia?
Because even the dirtiest bomb we can think of, a cobalt salted nuke, will only be threatening to life for around 130+ years. Most nuclear blast dissipate to safe levels within a week.
The kind of bombs made in a universe where an area only has maps existing of itself within that area. The kind with wizards.
@@CoreysDatapad
Seems fair enough.
Though it's just strange a world with just a little radiation can be not only lifeless but abandoned for that long. Someone should try to recolonize them.
@@mill2712, not completely related, but I actually made up an alternate post-Endor timeline where an independent Tionese republic tried to do exactly that.
You should definitely do a video on Xim someday. The Despotica is such a gold mine of obscure lore to be discussed at length. From the historical events, to the dramatizations of Xim's life, to Xim's connections to the GenoHaradan, to his fearsome War Robots. But perhaps the strangest footnote is the War Robot ZIMM, who survived to the modern era and claimed to be a mind-upload of the infamous Despot.
"...named that way becaues Star Wars has about 5 different familes,..." Man I consistently love your content. xD
Yo could we get a follow up maybe about the Kajidic system and how it actually worked? Cause besides the Treaty of Vontor, it seems like a bunch of physically incapable slugs relying on armies of (by nature) violent and treacherous mercenaries to not kill and rob them in a mass mutiny. But… they clearly have something in place to avoid it.
But are they a Paper Tiger? Slave armies with exploder chips can only do so much. Once they’re allies dip they’re done
The Hutts are _not_ a physically incapable race; they're devastating physical combatants, for whatever that's worth in a galaxy full of blasters and force adepts (though Hutts can make use of those, too.) They're big, but a young, fit Hutt is stronger and tougher than any of those 'tough' bipeds like Trandoshans or Wookies. Plus, Hutts are known for being smart, quick on their mental feet, and strong willed.
Part of the problem is small sample size, with more than a dash of the inmates running the asylum. That is, George only ever showed us Jabba, and he's what Hutts aspire to, not a typical example, but every time some fanfic writer (even those employed by Lucasfilm to create new _Star Wars_ media) decides they need a mob boss they thoughtlessly cast Jabba in the role, so we keep seeing one decadent mob boss Hutt after another.
@@boobah5643 I’m going to be real, if 12 Klatooinian slaves had pikes 8 feet long, they could surround a hutt and kill him like it was nothing
@@Theology.101 Not if it was a Shell Hutt
Great video, I'd like to see more about the Tionese. Whole worlds being lost is a cool concept and something that happens in real life with cities, I just watched a video about a lost Welsh Kingdom
I've actually tried to create a whole lore for the Tionese in an alternate post-Endor timeline. Basically, after the Empire, and then the Zsinj Empire collapsed, the Tionese used that opportunity to rebel, using reactivated Separatist-era battle droids armies and fleets to drive out Imperial forces, priates, and other criminal scum, before declaring independence as their own republic, the Republic of Tion. After this, Tion would annex all the former Tionese sectors, and create a Tionese vassal state in the old Warrior's Trace known as the Salin Confederation, based on Jabiim. In the years after the Galactic Civil War, Tion would go on to become one of the most powerful states in the Outer Rim, building up the 2nd largest military - the Tionese Defense Forces (TDF), that was only rivaled by the New Republic Defense Forces (NRDF) - and establishing economic and military ties with many former Separatist worlds, such as Serenno and Mustafar. They even made a (somewhat tenous) peace with the New Republic and established trade with them. But Tion's biggest endeavor would be the so-called Kiriium Reclamation Initiative, which - as the name suggests - was about terraforming and colonizing the Ash Worlds/Kiriium Reaches, so that they (along with the Salin Confederation) could eventually be incorporated in Tion proper, just like the Thanium Worlds had been. Can you tell I spent way too much time thinking about this?
The maps in this are so sick. Great work. Your effort shows.
Those slugs don't just kill people, they make sure they are not remembered.
All the more reason to give them such a karmic genocide, these bloody disgusting Hutts.
I would love to see more about the pre and early Republic period. I read the Han Solo adventure collection that is one of the earliest EU publications (1979 -1980) and they introduce XIm, Tion and also the Corporate Sector with some rich but mostly overlooked lore.
I like these simple lore video's
I mean most forms of fission would be pretty light radiation wise after 25k usually.
Either way, nuclear war in any form is not a favored kind of warfare in my eyes. Way too primitive and, yes, disgusting compared to Base Delta Zeroes.
Great video, I would love a video about the tionese and xim
What happened to the Hutts after the Yuuzhan
Vong invasion?
I really wish their had been some books on some of these ancient characters like Xim tbh.
The Hutts depending on the era were the 2nd or 3rd strongest power in the galaxy. Warrior conquerors and genocidaires without pity for 10,000 years.
Lords of the underworld for 15,000.
Possessed of both the patience of beings who live a thousand years, and the utter lack of moral scruple with the pragmatism to run empires. They deserve the fearsome reputation they have IU.
I love the cardinal directions in space! lol Another great Datapad vid.
“Astigone” is a really funny name to me… it’s just the name Antigone but with “Astro” appended on.
if you want to understand how mindblowingly over-powered both factions were, there was a story that takes place during the Yuzzan Vong war where the Vong attemp to take a desert planet that was a former factory world of Xim the Despot, the New Republic garrison managed to activate and repair a 1000 ancient battledroids from the ancient and abandoned factories dotted around the planet prior to the battle and the final result of the land battle was 90% of the land army of the Vong was wiped out before the garisson and the ancient battledroids were destroyed!
This doesn’t even get into the Hutt cataclysm and the brutality of that as well - have you ever considered doing an episode on the Despotica by per chance? There is quite a lot of interesting stuff that didn’t make it into the essential guide to warfare broadly that also would be interesting to highlight
Antilles is coreillian for "smith".
Or, going by the archaeologist, "Jones". 😉
5:30 "named this way because star wars has like 5 different families"
Everybody memes on Rey Skywalker/Palpatine but Star Wars was doing that long, long before the Sequels. Regardless of Legends or Disney Canon, it's still kind of dumb to just have like 10 families in which the entirety of galactic politics revolves around.
Isn't Antilles the equivalent of "Smith" of this universe?
@@michaelandreipalon359 I don't know, it could be, but that just feels almost like a cop-out.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yes. They chose her name (1) as an Indiana Jones joke and (2) because "Antilles" is a ridiculously common last name in-universe. For example, the Corellian Wedge Antilles is not related to the Alderaanian Raymus Antilles beyond both being human.
Empires and Republics rise and fall all the time in this franchise's history, yet somehow the Hutts have managed to stick around pretty much as they are without any real setbacks 🤔
I wouldn't say that those who could challenge the Hutts are few. There have been several powers that held enough strength and resources to not only contest the Hutts, but crush them had they been so inclined.
The Hutts'success has far more to do with expertly playing all sides politically and economically. Yes, they have the potential for military might, but it's specifically because they didn't compete militarily with most of the major galactic powers that they remained intact for so long.
The Galactic Empire could have absolutely crushed the Hutts, there was just no need to do so with the Hutts largely cooperating and paying the Empire. Similarly the New Republic had the military and economy to conquer the Hutts but their own charters and policies prevented that ever being considered. The same can be said for the Republic and Confederacy. The Vong did conquer Hutt space completely devoting only a fraction of their attention to it.
"The biggest military power" being able to beat them fits within the definition of "few", and at the times they did change their soft power to hard power, people took notice, and were suitably worried about them. That's part of why they were able to survive the entirety of galactic history as a relatively independent power. The Empire *could* destroy them, but it wouldn't be simple, and that's a very short period of galactic history. The point being, thinking of them as a small regional power is inaccurate, especially when looking at the context of tens of thousands of years of galactic history, and not simply the last 50 years of it.
@CoreysDatapad what's so hard? Hutts unlike rebellion don't have any real plot armour besides them being icons of crime for star wars. But it's problematic enough for Disney I could see them ditching hutts for some more family friendly or just new original version of them. Take out the hutts, replace them with any other cartel or crime structure from star wars, and you won't lose anything unlike with rebellion which is essential for continuation of republic. Send Vader after them, the worlds where hutts are too entrenched can be simply blown up with a death star or bombarded into dust with star destroyers. Still don't see issue.
For all their criminality and greed, that defines them in original trilogy era of star wars, back right at the dorn of star wars history, they did had some bite to them, militarily speaking, even if it was a horrendously terrible bite to it, such as use of terror tactics, that explained how it became a local galactic power in the days of the old republic.
Amazing video, Corey! As aways. Can I ask you what app have you used to create the interactive maps?
They're animations made in Blender
Very hungry caterpillar ain't got shit...
Xim! Xim! Xim! Xim! Xim! I love Xim!
All the more reason to covertly pacify their ranks and populations in the Hutt side of things, this fearmongering topic.
2:23: Man, I miss Dogfights-era History Channel.
Can anyone explain to me how a giant slug would become the leader of a cartel in the first place?
Because they're made of muscle, smart, and hard to kill.
Could Hutts Wield Something Like A Great Lightsaber Or Lightclub?
I know this has nothing to do with the video, but I cannot get over how it is called “Xer’s Empire” while “Xe/xim/xer” is sometimes used as a neopronoun. It’s like naming somewhere “His empire”
Well Xer's Empire was there before neopronouns. And Naming somewhere his empire at least by the inhabitants of said empire isnt as weired as it sounds. Because if a ruler has lived for long enought there may be people that lived only under the same lets say monarch for decades. Maybe even their entire life. Since the monarch hasnt changed for a long time his than can be used as a stand in for the monarch.
It's definitely more widely used now, but Xe as a pronoun probably predates both Xer (2005) and Xim (1980). The names were probably chosen because they sound like standard sci Fi baddies, but it is a funny coincidence.
@@CoreysDatapad Interesting I thought the Material was older. Plus in my mother language the pronouns arent that important generally in the languge so for me neo pronouns are a completly new thing plus pretty unimportant in day to day life.
Corey. There is no audio. 😅
Turn on your speakers.
This bug occasionally happens, don't worry. One should just exit the video and then resume it so to remedy.
I highly appreciate the History channel bashing.
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I really hate sexualization in Star Wars.
What does that have to do with the video?