I Took the Cerakote Training!
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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Anyone who's current on firearms knows about Cerakote. This thin-film ceramic coating has become prolific across factory and custom firearms: it's become the industry standard. Due to huge demand, many Cerakote applicators are backed up for months which has created an opportunity for new shops to enter the market. And that's where Cerakote's training program comes in. I just took the training, joined the program, and will share my experiences with you in this video.
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I am in the process of starting my own Gunsmith business, and have thought a lot about this product, and training thank you for this video, like to see more.
Good deal, more coming.
Same. Cerakoting is sadly trademarked so you cant advertise without taking the class. Im trying to save up between buying tools. Do you know if they accept GI Bills?
Remember a good gun smith who has there shit together will recommend a Glock 9mm as a defensive hand gun not a 1911. 😅🤪
@@Je3perscre3pers That's not how trademarks work.
If you are selling their product you can use the trademarked name, it's called fair use. If you tried to associate yourself or your business in some kind of partnership with Cerakote without their express permission or tried to misrepresent them in someway then you could get into a minor legal quibble. Advertising that you apply a specific product is not not a trademark violation. As long as you are indeed buying and using their product and not spraying a counterfeit product. Now printed logo's and banners with copywrited logos is a different story and they can control who and how they are used.
@@Firstamongstslowbois that's because the 1911 is an offensive gun :D :P
I Cerakoted a Kidd 22 barrel as part of a 10/22 build for myself so I just picked up the cheaper spray gun and a $40 toaster oven from Wally World to bake the parts pre and post. I also picked up a hopper media blaster that was cheap and it did the job ok. On a calm day I sprayed it outside but I used a respirator and goggles cause that stuff has a potent smell and wouldn’t want any of it in my eyes or lungs. Sprayed it and had the ratio wrong the first time. Went back and read the instructions again and figured out what I had done because the finish was not drying up. Mixed another batch with an extra drop of hardener and sprayed again and all was good. Had to use coat hangers cut up and bent all crazy to support the barrel in the tiny oven with one end crammed in the back upper corner and the other in the bottom front corner to fit which I worked out on the pre bake. Turned out great and have a few smaller projects to do now.
Yawn
So, I'm in no way a professional, I picked up my lph-80, a blast cabinet, and sonic cleaner so I could clean up and repaint an mp5 that was a little beat up. It came out so nice, I opted to paint a few more, my Beretta and Stribog. I showed a buddy of mine, and now has me doing a walther p22 for his wife, which is the first project that's not mine. The only requirement, she wants it Prison Pink, but ive been given free range to paint it however i want. Anyhow, thank you for the info on your experience at the workshop. It's been something I've been kicking around for quite a while, and you've convinced me to book myself a spot in the next few months. Thank you.
Just returned last week from Branson Cerakotes 3 day training and I can tell you this shop is first class! Excellent training. I also have my deposit in for the NIC training later this year/first of next year with Roman Arms in San Antonio. Super excited about this stuff...FFL application was just sent off this week as well..100% in with Cerakote
I'm doing this right now too. I have my class in Oct. Fingers crossed for both of us the FFL goes smoothly.
@@MR-oy4fc ATF charged my card this week so looks like application for FFL is on track. Hopefully couple more months and I’ll get license.
That multicam looked top notch. It came out really good. Looked like it was done from the factory (in a good way)
My personal experience with both coating is when I was the gunsmith for a major (at the time) maker of safari grand rifles. Initially the rifles were done in Cerakote on all the metal parts. I found that Cerakote had average wear characteristics. It's actual thickness had to be considered in the assembly and fitting of parts. I carefully evaluated rifles which were very actively used in both the US and Africa and returned to us basically for refinishing. I changed the coating from Cerakote to KG GunKote. There was a significant difference. KG Gunkote had much less effect on part fitment and was more durable in practice. Another significant factor was that I could use KG Gunkote on highly engraved rifles and achieve a coating that did NOT affect the clarity of the engraving and had all the appearance of a fine rust blue. I have no financial interest in either company. In another instance, I fitted a match 1911 pattern pistol to minimum tolerances and test fired it. It was then given to a certified Cerakote company with the specific instruction that the pistol was fitted tightly and the coating should be applied with that in mind. When the finished parts were returned, the slide could NOT be assembled on the frame. Practically all of the Ceracote had to be removed from the frame rails and slide for the pistol to function. Having said all this BOTH products have their place and I would suggest that one should carefully evaluate any product and make their choice accordingly.
We just purchased a booth from Rohner and I have a class at NIC/Cerakote in a couple months. Excited to see you talk about the class I will be attending.
Congrats Joseph- that sounds amazing! Can you share a link for the booth you purchased?
I will send you an email. Be on the lookout for a MkMachining email from Tony
Joseph, would you mind shooting me the information on the booth also .... Tks
It’s the Open face booth, but with the optional Filtered door. It’s in their current product pamphlet.
I have been cerakoting for a few years and I love it! I would love to see more content related to cerakote
More to come!
@@Ultimatereloader Sounds good, I look forward to it! Someday, I hope to be able to have a nice machine shop like yours. I've been eyeballing those Precision Matthews machines for a long time, and I actually found your channel because of your PM videos when you got them and were setting them up! Thanks for your hard work to present re-loading content as well. I'm a new re-loader, but have been getting some good results from my rifle!
Congrats to you Gavin. Wish you all the best with this adventure.
Was trained at NIC as well a couple years back. I agree having the expert one on one training was great learned so much. Cerakote is starting to take over a lot of what I do in the shop. The fun for some is experimenting with the new FX series and with different base coats how it changes the end result in color.
I believe learning how to Cerakote properly would be an awesome skill to have. Especially with a love for firearms but there’s so much you could do besides guns with this skill.
Interested and intrigued, never had any first hand experience and thought it was kind of a gimmick when I first heard of it. Once I finally did some reasearch on it I realized how renowned it is!
FWIW, my experience is that cerekote and DLC look great when new but they aren’t durable against metal on metal wear. Nitride is insane durable - even more so than stainless steel, so consider that as an offering when you finish your custom actions and barrels
I can show lots of pics to prove this point
I would love to see how to do multicam. Tricks for hanging and baking would be cool to. To me finishing a project in an esthetically pleasing way makes all the difference in the world to the satisfaction I get from a project.
That is awesome Gavin and congrats, one day I would love to take their training class as well. I have used Cerakote for sometime now in both the H series and C series with fantastic results. I hope you have as much fun with it as I have.
I’ve got a starter kit but haven’t sprayed anything yet. I’ve been collecting parts to build my own oven It’s been a slow process and my space is extremely limited. Hopefully a move is in my not too distant future so I can have the space to set up a proper coating shop. In the meantime I’ve been practicing my stencil and layering techniques on random metal objects and some of my own firearms with rattle cans with pretty good result. When the time comes, they will be disassembled, blasted and Cerakoted.
I had no idea there are air cured options. THANK YOU for mentioning that.
Awesome .... thanks for sharing your experience with us 😉👊👍🇺🇸
You bet, I'm still pumped up from the experience a week later!
As usual Gavin, you knocked it out of the park w/the Cerakote video..I don't want to do it, but I luv to watch/listen/& learn..I have also talked w/the owner in OR and he sent me to a good "coater" in my area, plus gave me options other than Cerakote for AR.s/pistols..keep up the great work I luv ya man, and I'm going to donate to your business..Jim
Yes, I am very interested in doing Cerakote. Doing as much research as I can. Thanks for this video. Your projects look great.
Thank you, and have fun on your Cerakote journey!
I would love to investigate a number of different coating processes. Cerakote is at the top of that list!
I’m from Australia. I just started doing cerakoting at home… it’s been an interesting process. Cant wait to learn and see what you create
Used micro slick on a 70’s Beretta AL2 shotgun internal parts and so far it held up. Most parts were stainless but it looks great!
I don't know much about painting but watched a ton of car paint videos, There were definitely different processes for painting plastics than metal, looks like Cerakote paint is like a powder coating since it needs an oven for curing. This was my first video on this, so thanks!
I have several firearms in various stages of being fully disassembled, cleaned, repaired and reassembled. One, a 1915 Savage Model 30 20 gauge, has been completely re-assembled because it has too much surface damage to the internals to bother doing much more (a 2mm x 1mm x .5mm piece of metal broke off and was kept inside by a lot of "gak" for about 50 years). Anyway, a couple of them are great candidates for the process and I am considering the Cerakote C. I have a Maverick 88 that I chose the cheap Brownell's product on because I don't want the coating to cost more than the firearm. I did end up with a couple pounds of flat black powder coat by Cerakote's sister company for free because we were testing it at work and decided not to use it because of price.
Ive used Durakote on several projects, tired of waiting months and paying $$$ for sometning I can do at home, so I'm about to dive into Cerakote myself. (Firearms and automotive/vintage travel trailer restoration).
Good deal, sounds like a natural fit for what you want to do!
i'm just enjoying new things that people are learning and sharing the excitement
I have just got into applying cerakote myself. It's been a huge learning curve but I'm starting to hone in on applying solid colors. Still trying to figure out how to get into tight areas better but it has been fun. I would appreciate a video with tips and tricks from someone actually trained in applying it. I would love to do the training but it is way out if my budget.
For the tighter areas, I use a 0.5 mm air brush.
when you get a blast cabinet either build it yourself or make sure you can find one that will work for long action barreled bolt guns as most commercial cabinets are usually not made for long items or else they would be done outside with regular sand blasting equipment, this is why I say build it yourself, that way you can get a good gun that has replaceable STANDARD nozzles. I use the BORON CARBIDE nozzle and it last a long time. Also make sure your oven is capable of holding the same long action bolt guns with muzzle brakes installed as they look much better coated and baked all as one as it keeps the timing correct if needed and the seam blends away. I also use .035 mig wire to rack as it is less obtrusive and doesn't really block the spray anywhere. It is all about practice and getting your system down even if it is different than they taught you but works for you.
Yep I have shot close to two gallon of H series. all learned on the fly. had to build an oven. but the projects come out great.
That ar15 came out super nice ! Good job on that one
yes i am currently planning on coating my ruger precision rifle. which showing signs of wear and tear form hunting and poor gun ricks in vehicles. i have a shop with good area to work and some of the items needed but not all. still undecided on the coating choice. looking to learn more about the choices of products advantages and there application. keep up the good videos.
I started off along time ago with rattle cans off of Amazon. Everything with those turned out really nice. I really wanted to get more into the hobby. Went out and bought myself a paint gun and some H series. So far, I have done an AR 15, pistol, a Glock slide, a steel coffee cup, and a Tumblr. I started off with the coffee cup in the Tumblr. Getting the air pressure and material ratio down has been tricky. So far so good. None of the Firearms have been multi coats, but I am thinking about doing one or two coming up soon. I actually have a slide baking in the oven right now for a friend.
Cool project. Looking forward to you doing this.
I’ve thought about getting into cerakote. Was on edge about trying to get trained.
I did many nice pieces and learned from UA-cam . Eastwood blasting cabinet works great also. Cerakote is just awesome
Always enjoy your videos . I know you will do excellent coating videos .
Inspired me, I just applied !
Would be lit if he sold some of his custom builds, I would love a custom build 223
Always wanted to work for myself never knew what I wanted to do but if figured it out I love firearms and off road vehicles Iv painted for multiple jobs and Iv worked in a chrome shop and learned a bit about electroplating so I feel strong about getting started doing finishes start off as sort of a hobby feeling out cerakote and powder coating and practicing on some of my stuff and feel it out then give it a run on some buddies stuff and just see where it goes
I am definitely interested in Cerakote. I’m in the process of getting setup as and FFL and providing gunsmith work here in CT. Cerakote is one of those technologies that I want to be able to offer. I had not idea of the process but figured it would be a decent investment.
I’m looking forward to all the details you provide, including what goes into get your shop setup.
Awesome stuff!. Been researching lately diy ovens and ways to dip my toes into doing some at home cerakote work. Look forward to this series. Cheers
really cool I would love to see more on this!
Zeppelin, perfect road tripping.
If you live somewhere with high humidity all year round, Cerakote is such a life saver.
I just started out with the "C" series due to not having the space for an oven for larger parts. So far, I have done an 80% unfinished AR lower and a Gerber knife. Both turned out really well considering neither were blasted or heated. The only downside that I can see is that the C series takes 5 days to cure.
Great video man! New subscriber!
I just had a new barrel and action cerakoted. Looks amazing.
Definitely interested in more on the topic.
Sounds like your getting ready to go to Habor Freight !
I've had an interest in expanding my current business to include Cerakoting for some time now. I own a small construction company and we are accustomed to coatings application using multiple techniques, including airless sprayers, so this fits right in! Definitely would love to see more on this topic from you, Gavin. I'm confident with your attention to detail it will be a very informative and entertaining series.
I have a question, do I need an FFL to Cerakote firearms?
Thanks Gavin, keep up the outstanding work!
Congratulations and on a Rifle I have it on has been great.
That was awesome..... been thinking of trying it some day.
I am in the process of refinishing a bolt rifle. C-110 on the bolt and inside of the receiver.
Can you please let us know how it goes? I'm very interested in your results.
Definitely interested in the cerakote process of your shop..mostly your set up..
Gavin, Congratz on the training. From watching your video, with training, and getting your shop set up for coating, its sure sounds like several thousands of dollars, lots of overhead. What is the average price to refinish an AR15 or standard bolt action? I have used Moly Resin, this was years ago, so I understand what goes into refinishing, labor intensive! I have interest in the Cerakote process, might be my retirement hobby coming soon. Keep up the good work, enjoy learning from your vids!
Before starting my career in LE I painted high end cars for 7 years. As a hobby I have been applying Cerakote and Gunkote for over 15 years. Once I retire, I might get into the business. It's pretty simple to work with if you have a prior background. I just wish they were more helpful to the average consumer who isn't certified.
I’m building an oven with my welding machine using big old propane tank. Going to sand blast it and install a heating element with a thermometer to experiment on the temperature settings. I’m using a simple small portable buildings from Home Depot for the disassembly and cleaning. Going to explore the inflatable paint booths for cars to do the painting temporarily until I can buy another shop to dry the components. I am curious about how much the training cost to get certified in this. I am also going to try brownells coating and wheeler engineering coating to see how it holds up against cerakote. I’m not doing this a business but more of a hobby.
Trying to build my own equipment. Building the blast cabinet right now
Hey Gavin that looks amazing..yes I'm interested in cerakoting...Will love to do my own things instead of paying to have it done
Really interested in Cerakote and how it is applied. SEMPER FI
It’s way expensive, plus hotel, travel etc. they would have more attendees at lower prices. They should provide free training, that would increase sales.
Would love to see you teach the process and some more advanced things. I've always been interested in it but can't afford the trip or fees, really can't justify the cost plus the equipment setup yet. With the quality of your videos I think you could do a much better job than the other channels.
Love the white city area. Used to live there. All my in house cerakote is all c caries. I'm cheap like that haha, but the projects come out amazing
Yes very interested! I’ve done a little basic stuff. It is a job but had nice results
You were here????? should’ve stayed til Sunday could’ve went shooting lol awesome stuff
i have a used gun that has rust issues that i want to get cerakoted. thanks gavin.
I have tried to start a Cerakote business very expensive. Product cost is high. A lot of work for very little profit. But a fun expensive hobby. Every candy dispenser I own has been Cerakoted.
Once I got a blast cabinet, the paint just goes on like glass, I made the mistake of only putting one (cote) on my first upper, my second upper and handguard looked totally professional. Made my PSA not look like a PSA.
Great video - it has confirmed that I do not have the patience for this type of work 🤣
I have been duracoating my rifles for years. I love doing it and creating new and fun designs. It not only makes my rifles look great, but it protects them as well.
I do a lot of airbrushing and I've been thinking about getting into cerakoting , i think that would be a good thing to have under my belt , what's the price for the class tho ?
I wonder what I they used on my turbochargers. I went with this brand in black. This is a very cool process I’m pretty interested in learning myself🤔
Looking forward to the Cerakote videos! How much does the class cost? I’d like to take it as well.
Would like to know if cerakote is more rust resistant than a marine labeled shot gun ? Awesome videos
How long did you have to wait before your training class? I’m wondering if there’s a large waitlist and when would be a good time for me to sign up?
I've done some "art projects" using Durocoat, but it just doesn't hold up like cerakote. Great video, I wish you luck!
Definitely interested in Cerakote
@@1newme425 LOL, I am also starting up my business and looking at what the ROI is for the cost of the class and travel. Plus the set-up costs.
I’m weighting the differences between Cerakote (have t decided what type but probably H) and Wright Armory’s NT7+. The Cerakote is significantly less expensive but I was wondering the corrosion protection differences and the H series lubricity on comparison. This is for a slide & barrel for a Sig P365.
Great job Gavin! I’d LOVE to get into this line of work. I’ve done some of it before and really enjoyed it. What was the cost of the training ?
No I’m not doing ceramide but I want to do the class and set up a shop
This is very interesting to me as I have been sending all my projects out for paint or anodizing. Would be nice to do it all in house.
Interested in the progressive press shootout. Looking to nab one and start reloading but have been waiting on that video to help me decide which would be most worth my $
Thanks! We are working hard on it, just got the last press in the shop this last week!
25 year body man/painter, gunsmith 28 years, went back to school at 55 to be a machinist, offered a full time gunsmith position and going to Cerakote training this summer. Looks like you and I are similar people lol.
Welcome to the applicators
How cerakote and reloading fill up your brain lol.
I don’t see more videos of you doing Cerakote and other work. I can’t seem to find anymore. Did this not take off?
Check the 224V Boyd’s story, plus the Cerakote shop your, plus the two 7MM PRC builds- all have Cerakoting in them!
“Fortunately for me, I’m only a 9 hour drive away”… Everyone in the UK: 🤯
MY FAVORITE COLOR IS GREEN TOO 😁
In the meantime, is normal folks (non UA-camr’s) have to wait over a year and a half to take the applicator certification. I wonder why
I was lucky, they had a last-minute cancellation :)
dang G.....that paint job is sexy! I think I go a stiffee! Black Dog my fav Zep. Can't find my blue bird....Oh yeah
wonder how cerakote would do on a car or motorcycle
I have been applying cerakote for a bit now. I haven’t made it to the west coast to attend the training. I used to work at a body shop also. Eventually I will get my gunsmithing shop up and running but I am a bit hesitant with it right now due to the current administration.
Yep, that was a very professional setup, they even had invisible breathing protection😳
With the amount of air movement with that setup, you don't really even smell it
When I sprayed my parts I wore an Organic Vapor Cartridge Respirator(outside no less) and skin/eye protection. Gavin should know better having worked in a body shop. You can tell when mixing it is some nasty stuff and you don't want to be breathing the fine mist/vapors. The SDS clearly states that..
@@Ultimatereloader mate, I’m an old fart, brought up in an era when OH & S meant only having 11 beers at the end of the day instead f the full 12, and well I’ve a few issues, like hearing loss, melanoma and the like, and I just look at healthy young fellas like yourself exposing yourselves to things that have life altering and limiting consequences and find a need to tell you to protect yourself. Don’t do it for yourself, do it for your kids, do your best to be there to see your grandkids, and not be an arthritic, half deaf, spluttering old fool like me.
They may have had forced air flow and used an electrostatic charge, like powdercoating. Yes, it can be possible to work without PPE if the jobs are small and the "spray booth" is set up properly.
@@lyfandethno matter how well setup they are, you’re still going to be sucking toxins into your lungs, and the effect is cumulative
Rapco !
I'd love to see you get interested in carbonitriding/nitrocarburizing. Can you cerokote over such metal treatments?
Can anyone learn to do it even if they have no prior experience with any kind of art, painting or design?
I considered Cerakoting, but the investment is just too hefty. Proper equipment and space is needed to be done properly.
what was the make and model number of everything you used?
Im certified in rattle can
Only time I had it done the guy screwed it up and argued with me. Never touched it since then