Television - The Full Ork Loft Tapes, 1974
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- 00:00 "Double Exposure"
03:18 "Eat the Light" rehearsals
17:01 Unknown fragment, full band
17:30 Verlaine solo
18:56 "Venus" rehearsals
32:48 warming up
34:20 "Double Exposure"
37:45 Change Your Channels
45:30 Blues in "C" (Walking)
49:48 High Heeled Wheels
54:11 Venus
58:00 Unknown, full band
1:01:09 What I Heard
Per the original description on the bootleg:
Ork lot rehearsals from 1974. Television emerging from whatever it was that shaped the way they made music and launching themselves into the unknown. It's a very voyeuristic act to view these recordings. A guilty pleasure. We weren't meant to watch them, so it would be unfair to comment negatively on the performance quality but it is obvious that Richard Hell had much further to go as a musician than the others. But I guess that wasn't the point. When you look at the photos, you would think this was Hell's band; when you hear the music, you know it's not.
There are several things in these recordings that are well worth hearing. It's the sound of people inventing a style, a new musical vocabulary. Frantic scrubbing guitar scrapes and flurries, reaching for ways to say things that, maybe, haven't been said before, or hadn't been said in a way that was powerful enough, or plain enough. The beginnings of Tom Verlaine's desire to twist the noise of the electric guitar into new shapes. "We don't have to do that, we can do... this!"
Here's the look and the sound that would influence more people than will probably ever admit it. The exciting noise that runs through these recordings would soon turn up, for example, in the U.K. I'd bet that the fledgling Talking Heads were also standing close by around this time, taking notes.
You can listen as Tom Verlaine and Richard Lloyd learn how to play guitar together, and that means together in the kinship sense of the word. You get the sound of a band doing things on their own terms and either you like it or you don't. Though a little rough; no home should be without these tapes.
"l was living downtown in Chinatown with this guy, Terry Ork, who worked for Andy Warhol... I had been playing guitar fora number of years. I never played with anybody. I wasn't the kind of guy who ran around playing with everyone on the planet. So, one day Teny says, "l know another guy who does what you do" and I said, "What do I do?" He said, "Well, you play guitar." So I went down to see Verlaine play. So Tom played these three songs. Instantly, watching this fellow, I just knew something was going to happen. Richard Hell was his manager, and we convinced him to learn the bass. In came Ficca, who had been a drummer in some blues band from Chicago. Terry offered us rehearsal space in his loft, and even offered to buy us the necessary equipment. It was an offer Tom couldn't refuse. So we started the group. We called ourselves GooGoo for three weeks, then we all went our separate ways to find a name. Richard Hell came up with Television. Tom liked it because TV was his initials. We were more like the Sex Pistols back then, in a way..."
- Richard Lloyd
When Tom yells at Lloyd for "sleeping" all day and then "sleeping" in the studio and Lloyd says "I'm not sleeping, I'm listening," well, I have to wonder if that was already a euphemism.
Richard loyd and Tom Verlaine were a killer guitar duo, so angular and quirky. Love this , so interesting!
Farewell, Tom. Thank you for the beautiful music!
He's missed
Richard Hell’s daughter went to sleep-away arts camp with my daughter. When I saw him striding around on Parents Visiting Day I almost fainted.
Did you talk to him? I’m reading his book right now, and he referenced these tapes.
Richard and Tom looked liked models back in the day wow I'm impressed
I bet Hell is fun to talk to.
@@peterzang Yes probably more so now that he's an eminence grise
@@leahflower9924 yes, they were dreamy.
RIP Tom
I just found this,,,will be back
You have to thank the Gods of Music hat someone had the presence of mind to film this back then, especially when one considers how expensive 'real' film was then! Thanks for posting this Tele treasure!
Damn, these last 48 years passed so quickly! Anyway we all know how this ended up. The nagging was well worth it. Every time you listen to MM all in a row, catching the vibe and following the narrative, you can't help thinking ''Ask me for an album as demolishing as this and i honestly can't tell you one right now!!...
i'm fuckin mesmerized, this recording is priceless
Farewell tom. Part of my heart is gone.
1974 !!!!!!!❤
Richard Lloyd was so young there, he looks like one of The Marbles!
so happy to see my boys from Delaware at the start of it all ...greeting from Delaware !!
historical footage - you just blew my mind, had no idea anything this early (or long!) existed... the sound isn't terrible either. thanks for posting!
Thank you for posting! 30:39 piqued my interest... it's funny seeing this footage, and realizing that only 2 years later in late '76 Marquee Moon is recorded. It seems to me like proof that serious, unambiguous practice is what gets you to great heights.
I really dig both the Richard Hell- and Fred Smith- eras of the band... If you haven't read Hell's memoir, a used copy will be the best $8 you ever spend.
Gotta get the Lloyd book too!
@@lawrencefeldman7744 whats it called?
@@crunkboy Everything is combustible
@@michaelgraham9774 thanks
Thank you Tom.
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these guys are cool as hell
Tom in ripped shirt and not Richard Hell, do we have to rewrite the history books?
My first thought too!
They were all like 7 feet tall and skinny that's why their punk look worked so well
No.....it was Richard's
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According to Lloyd's account, Hell ripped Verlaine's shirt before he played a solo show (the first time Lloyd saw him play).
Oh SHIT! This is like the holy grail of independent music, Television that far back. Thank you for uploading this great history. Now, is there a way to get a copy of this?
I wish I could infinitely like this!
The first generation of television had a wonderful dichotomy of contrasting aesthetics. Once Richard Hell left they became a lot more professional and a bit less interesting although still real good
they became lees interesting? why? You mean less interesting for you... The battles between lloyd and verlaine in the guitar is what make this band interesting as no one more... and in the "hell era" it was not still developed. It's much more interesting than a proto-punk version of james dean... at least for me.
@@aprendizdebrujo100 Marquee Moon is too serious and full of itself. It's still good but in my opinion would have been better if Tom Verlaine could have relaxed a little kept a little more of the grunge pop they started out with.
@@steveshattah it's your opinion. respectable but not definitive.
Richard “one finger” Hell!
RIP Tom.
This is both a time machine and a voyeuristic device. Incredibly fascinating.
Thank you.
This is amazing!
Nice
It feels to me like they were mixing the Yardbirds with the velvet underground in this rehearsal, kind of building up their own sound,
But they sounded terrible, so bad is awesome.
The opening guitar riffs to the second song here sound like they're channeling the Byrds.
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Wow! Ahead / behind a head of my time.!!.. 74 I was 9. No biggie!
OK, can someone take this and unmix the audio using the software they used for the new Beatles "Revolver" super deluxe to isolate the instruments, so the audio can be remixed and restored? I would love to hear that!
It will just be over Sanitized and plastic. Not as they intended. These remasterings and remixes are fun but never forget we are hearing the epiphany of a moment in time and that will be gone. U win some and u lose some more
@@yoyoyo1096 It doesn't have to be oversanitized. Consider the Who "Live at Leeds" - that isn't sanitized. Now imagine the same show recorded by a fan on a consumer cassette recorder. What the band played on their instruments and the sound coming out of their amps is the same for both, the only difference being that the album came from a multitrack recording through better mics and instrument separation, so we get a more faithful reproduction of what you would have heard if you were standing there. For these Television bootlegs, I am not suggesting someone go in and edit stuff with Pro Tools or whatever to fix notes with autotune, no way. What would serve these recordings and keep the band's spirit and intention intact, would be to simply restore the full audio fidelity to sound as close to being there as possible, that's all.
@@AppleOno you have a point. I can't deny the truth in what u say. My point is enjoy the moment yours is why stop there. So I stand corrected. And it's a good and worthy discussion room evolving right here right now. Just like 'spose those songcreating rooms television evolved in. Total respect to yr beautiful thoughts @AppleOno
@@yoyoyo1096 No worries! In the case of a group like Television, a lot of us were just too young to see the original band live (and now with the passing of Tom Verlaine [RIP] those who never saw them never will). All we have are these recordings. But I totally agree that we should enjoy music while it's happening! Unfortunately, people don't live forever and bands break up and change.
Anyway, it's refreshing to have a discussion where we can respectfully find common ground, thank you for being cool! I hope that the rest of the world will learn to take this approach when solving our differences. Take care!
@@AppleOno afore ye go, tarry a while longer if y'will Apple. Since I actually saw them just the once as a 16yr old @Hammersmith odeon and that was the 1st gig I ever went to by anyone. I had gone with my brother to see the support act Blondie since I had just got the first lp by them. They were completely terrible although I reckon television had effed their sound system up on purpose. Harry was a little pissed and she had lined up bottles to drink on stage. Television completely blew them away just after. Great introduction to the band although it was a little bit suss that the sound was fine for them (poor Debbie and pals). The interaction not just between lloyd and verlaine was near psychic for all of them and the slickness of ficca and smith was a wondrous rhythm machine. As a unit though they were simply spellbinding. I've seen a lot of brilliant stage acts since eg joy division wire and the fall but the only act to ever reprise that tension and sheer mastery of live sound since was the farndon honeymanscott pretenders incarnation at the Colosseum. With the Banshees at the nashville a brilliant third. So my first gig ever was the best ever.
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they sounded quite syd barret style then
Too me too
'What I Heard' w/Richard Lloyd sings is the last song.
Does anybody have any idea who filmed this, and when it was filmed in 1974?
Television if they were a noise rock/no wave band
I believe the song at 45:30 is a version of Fats Domino's "Walking To New Orleans."
Does anyone know who filmed this? It wasn't Terry....
It’s always been a mystery
@ 15:45. Who is that sitting on amp ? Is that Lloyd?
Late answer but the guy sure looks like how RL looked in pics from around this time
Venus..
38:01
Calling Charlie Miller and Christpher Hazard!
This is the Type of Very Important Artifact that could benefit from A.I. Otherwise A.I is a Sick Joke. Remember when Television was the "New" Thing? It's Was and always Has been Shit, except for a small percentage of things, like this.
yeah I remember they sucked first for quite a while couldn't play shit so they got compared as the Grateful Dead of Punk
They did get called "The Grateful Dead of punk", but not because they couldn't play. It was because they were the jam band of punk, known for playing longer, extended, and intricate guitar passages between Verlaine and Lloyd. A few years later all the best known punk bands were doing two minute long songs.
@@danielstoddart Exactly -- and their subject matter leaned toward mystical when it wasn't character-driven.
Unlistenable quality. Thanks anyway.
Hell would sing every song better than Verlaine
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