I wish there was a fineokay for every role teaching me as effectively as you do. I’m not even a solo main but I feel like I play that role the most effectively just because I watch your videos so ofyen
Animosity has to be my favorite "starter" by far. After playing around with it a bit, I can at least say building toxic blade with it is a must. Toxic has flat pen for both damage types so it works with the Animosity passive even on warriors! And every other stat on toxic just works so well with animosity!
If the solo laner has manekins they can solo blue and hit 3 on the second wave, this allows the jungler to solo speed>back harpie>mid harpies(skipping the small harpies camp) and you get both to mid harpies by the time the enemy jungler is on blue buff. Obviously this won't be viable after they nerf manekins scepter but I feel like it's more optimal pathing for the jungler to confirm that neutral mid farm.
I like getting tainted steel later as my antiheal item later on. It either gives you the most antiheal of any single item when upgraded, or adds heal-steal on top of it, which can be just as useful in different ways. This obviously means a boots or item rush build will be required, but it is certainly a decent item if you are a more ability focused character, and your support either already built you know they are going into an aura. Obviously, if you were a more basic attack focused character, then toxic blade would make more sense than it, but you should get the idea.
I'm a big fan of using Bumbas Hammer, yes it removes any semblance of early game bullying and reduces your lane clear potential by a lot, but what it does do is let's you invade their jungle and clear your own at really fast speeds to compensate and if you can hold out until level 20 I was able to turn characters like Tsuku and Osiris into unkillable monsters in the late game Bonus build, solo Nu Wa with Bumbas Hammer, lifesteal boots, Chronos Pendant, Rod of Tahuti, Lonos Mask and any counter item you need (usually a defense or health item) as long as you're not getting hard focused by rotations and the game doesn't end early you can top damage even with reduced damage due to the sheer out of bots and stuns you're able to throw out in a team fight
Going axe feels like just giving up any form of early pressure. You can't outtrade or outclear the other items and this season seems so reliant on hyperfarming that the lack of damage on the item slows you down.
Thanks Fine, been playing with Cthu+Warriors and Manakins+Bellona and both have felt great :D Side note, he did the Matt Mercer "sigil" thing lol Critters? Anyone?
Constantly torn between stacking bluestone with crusher for insane lane pressure and taking warding seagull so I can stack mitigations and actually be a tank late
I hope we get more tank starter items in solo maybe 2 extra with a diffrent passive from warriors axe so you can have a variaty in builds. we have 3 squishy dmg items in solo in manikin, death toll and blue stone which is nice already. But it would suck to build warriors axe everytime like we did with warriors blessing.
Warding sigil is very strong in non-conquest game modes. Build it with oni hunters and spirit robe and you have an unhealthy amount of percent mitigations. I did 67k mitigated in 19 minutes for an arena. It's a lot of magical defense but the percent mitigations is what you're after. So if any of you are playing non-conquest you should try it.
What is your opinion on starting manakin on Sylvanus in the solo lane? His area attack, which lets him apply the burn to multiple enemies at once, lets him clear camps and the wave very quickly at levels 1-5, which lets you bully your opponent under their tower and take all the farm from the jungle, totem (manakin can obliterate totem early on), and scorpion. I've even managed to get kills at level 2 against cu chulainn and other top solo gods just by out clearing the wave, rooting with the 1 and letting my surviving minions wail on them.
Everyone should be aware that once things settle down, starts may shift to some degree, likely revolving around blue. Reason being that Bellona with manikins can solo invade your blue the entire time you do speed and backs. Yes, even through the invader's curse. So jungle and solo starts are subject to change revolving around things like that. If you see the enemy solo pick Bellona, it should be assumed that she's going to invade you and go place your free ward on your own blue just in case she does. There's plenty of time to get back to clear speed, so don't worry about missing it. If she does and you're able to catch her, she's 100% dead via invader's curse. If she doesn't, worst case scenario is you're down a free ward that will be back up by the time the enemy jungler even thinks about looking at you. So you really lose nothing. If she does get your blue, you may never see it again because manikins gives her A LOT of pressure and you aren't going to out clear her with pretty much any god at this point.
not the case, sentinels embrace is ABSURD. Every support can go embrace with full aura build andpridwen relic dagger, give allies 60+ of both prots, sylvanus yemoja and are can give 100+ of both prots. Tanks feel worse vs pen but trust me, when you're fighting carries who are giga tanky from being by the support, you'll know
With Terra getting Cleave on her autos while a stone is up (2 or 3) you can start with her 3 and use it to block minions at base to make enemy solo lose minions and xp. Manikins plus the cleave give her plenty of clear for lvl 1/2. I've been having a ton of success with this so far.
What you think of the War Flags, fineO? I feel like Spartan Flag is good on solo, the radius is huge, and you have it always active. As solo, you get lv17 before everyone, and that Flag can help your team dominate the transition to late game. Of course, starting it isn't a good idea, so you would have to go that boots start, or maybe round shield
@@kieranpearson5096 how so? It's not avoidable, the power boost is if your allies stand in the radius, the enemy has no control over it except if they back out. If you dove, this is good for your jungler with you. Or you can turn around and hit their frontline for your dps teammates to better deal with the enemy diver.
i do have one suggestion, manikins on terra is pretty strong. Her auto attack cleave works with it and you can clear archers at level 1 with just 3 autos or so
I’ve been using tainted steel in mid mostly and it’s been really nice. I’ve been going up against a lot of Anubis and Ra in mid so it’s been working out nicely. If the enemy team has two or more healers, early tainted steel is worth it IMO.
In solo i like going whichever starter item i think would be good on the god im playing, then go tier 1 sledge, then go boots, then finish sledge, then go off of the enemy team because i feel like sledge is really good
FO, idk if you have tested dominance and exe or not yet. But they go beyond the 40% cap right now. You can build berskerers, serrated edge, dominance, exe and all of that pen stacks up. It's absolutely nutty. Add a frostbound and qins or something and it is honestly terrifying.
I've been doing Ah Puch solo a lot recently and I don't feel bad about going Sands of Time because I tend to build health items and The Alternate Timeline's stats are pretty decent for a hybrid solo.
I've been on a puch solo grind for a hot minute, and I feel like shroud is nutty, you can 1 the wave and pick up bodies and get full mana and 100 ish health back
I think most guardians and mages like Zk or Hades have to build Warriors Axe because Vampiric upgraded version is kinda meeh. The sustain is nice, but its just that, sustain and dmg, and you cant even stack lifesteal constantly because you dont have low cds on these gods (I think its an item exclusive for He bo lmao). The only god in solo I like Vampiric with is Artio since it provides her with so much hp/mana sustain and you can spam the lifesteal of the upgraded version since you have so many abilities to proc it. About Tainted steel, I do like it just with Cerb, its so abusive honestly. Having that item with Cerb you have 40% antiheal bc of Cerb's passive + that starter, and also gives you power and prots from both sources, I don't think that is possible to outtrade Cerb with that item. Also I like the upgraded version of it, tainted Amulet, making him to have his passive from healing him 50% to 100+50= 150%. And about animosity, I find it so risky. If the enemy has a starter item, specially an agressive one like bluestone or manikin and you dont have starter because youre waiting for animosity I think they will abuse you so much and you will probably be out of the game for so long and maybe you lose the game before you get animosity, idk. Btw, Warrior's Axe and its upgrade version still have true dmg.
I feel like Manikins and Deaths toll is pretty much carry for osiris. They both require auto attacks and manikins foes more damage but deaths toll gives more lifesteal due to how much health you have. Soooooo they are more or less almost the same for osiris.
Personally I know I’m a nobody but what I think is people are gonna catch on and good players will just ward the path to blue to see if you try to go for blue that way after you insta clear speed and you’re on your way to exps you’ll see the person trying to go for it and punish it that’s just my 2 cents
no point when you can get level 3 from the 2nd wave if you just do normal start that Fineo has stated. Invading will only delay both of you and your opponent's level 2.
Khesora not necessarily because if people don’t know and you do the start you get their blue and you’re and have almost the same amount of experience while also hitting wave while they don’t hit 2 cause they don’t get blue but it’s a risk start overall and would only do it if you see their comp has slower clear speed imo giving you less room for error but also with the warding the pathing that’s just stops it completely and think that if it happens enough that’s what should be a response to that but that the same time the casual player so behind on what’s “good” that we will see how it would turn out only 3 days of season 8 I’m sure wonky stuff will happen
Hey Alec! I was wondering how you felt about warbanner on serqet solo and building similar to, I believe it was, season 5 guardians blessing start on serqet solo. Thanks for all the s8 content!
Isnt blue stone also a problem going into a starter like manakin scepter or warriors axe that the flat damage reduction kinda mitigates a good portion of the blue stone damage? I thought i heard someone say that blue stone works different from last time where it does its damage in 4 ticks instead of 2. So manakin mitagates 12 and warriors 8 of whatever is left after base protections.
I’ve found that bluestone boots gaia makes you unkillable and unboxable. You will sacrafice some prots late so you can keep it or sell it. But gaia and bluestone early is 45 hp5
Perhaps Cerberus passive and Tainted Steel can reach critical mass and be decent. I'm sure that vampiric and warrior's would be better, but sometimes it isn't about winning, is about the opponent losing.
So the thing with Tainted Steel I feel like Cerberus could rock that very well if he gets that level 20 upgrade with the stealing the reduced healing. So he would just heal an insane amount on anyone running fat life steal.
I have taken over 400 damage from a jungle nem from manikin’s sceptre alone when I was even with her and I was in solo. She also had Qin’s which did 450, and she hits hard so I did die. But she never ulted me, and she wasn’t lv20 yet do manikin’s wasn’t upgraded. Manikins is beyond broken right now
When you said probably warriors axe for Arthur, I thought no way that it would be better than bluestone on Arthur but then sure enough I got a mirror match against a pretty decent Arthur and he went bluestone/warrior boots/soul eater/void shield and I went warriors axe/tank boots/stone of gaia/glad shield and at around level 12+ I was out trading him for the rest of the game, I did have to play very careful at levels 1-5 though
Thoughts on an upgraded relic at start in solo? I upgraded a Cursed Ankh as Chu into a Hades and was still able to pick up Health chalice and 2 health pots.
@@ans-dq9xh yes but during the laneing phase it was quite useful. I was able to to kill him once before level 5 and the damage increase helped me kill him and the jungler around level 10ish. It's a niche pick up absolutely but worth considering based on the matchup
Have been popping off with this build on cu chu boots, chalice tier 1 gauntlet/ greaves, gauntlet , sledge, dominance, animosity, spirit robe or hide of urchin he so tanky n hits autos hard
I seem to do really bad early game and midish game. Maybe it's because I never played solo much but now I am, but I feel like I'll get ganked a lot if I'm winning or I'll get behind fast. Maybe I just need more practice on it
With tainted steel upgrade you get 50% anti heal, what no other item does unless I'm missing 1. Not good early but if you another starter you can't get it later on.
but if your team has 1 pestilence, 1 brawlers, 1 divine you already have 100% anti heal, that is without any auto auto-attack items or cursed ankh. It is only really worth it against Camazotz, Hel or Tyr.
@@bigfudge2031 You really putting alot of faith in your team build those items :). Fair enough though I guess. I think 15 of each prot and 10 damage is still good and the 50% anti heal at the end when your diving the backline helps a ton imo. Its very niche wouldnt pick it every game or anything but it isn't terrible and it frees up your team to get a deso over divine or a crusher over brawlers, whilst your still tanky anyway.
Like I said though it is niche but I dont think its a terrible option especially for casual and some levels of ranked when playing with randoms especially
Why is bluestone recommended on sunwukong vs manikin? I get Arthur and Tyr have lots of abilities to spam and take advantage of bluestone, so I’m just wondering how sunwukong made that list. Thanks!
Idk about high tier games but in my lobies I'd say I'm above average. Zhong qui solo is still amazing Use the axe on him. U literally get free hp every time ur stuff off cool down pretty much
Manikens isn't as good as you think on AA gods. It works if you know who you're going to be laning against, but that's the problem. You don't. Death's Toll is much more useful in the scenarios you don't, and does fine into literally every starter item it can go against. It also helps Erlang most since he has dramatic mana problems. Also, not a fan of the Erlang build. Barely any CDR and that's a problem when you're already deciding not to go for sustain. And no, you're not going to get the scorpion considering the only lane bully AA god is Bellona. Manikens doesn't give you outtrade on aa gods since they don't have sustain. It only useful for jungle farm, in which case you're kinda screwing your jungler. Also you'll be wanting for lots of pots since you have no sustain. The minor defenses don't save manikens, and you're prayin' you get that lategame (and that you'll even be able to abuse it) with manikens. Better as a jungler item. You could argue the axe instead but i don't think that's going to be enough for an AA god. If manikens is this valued than there is no reason not to value the fact erlang double procs death's toll. Also upgraded bluestone is viable and useful. Especially on Arthur. It procs on everything, FG and Titans included. Abuse it. Don't suggest swapping it for tank items when you can just sell boots for another tank item.
Turn your mic up on future recordings, its better to have a loud voice rather than loud music for these tutorials. Other than that I honestly appreciate everything you do GOAT
You literally changed solo lane last season couldn’t find a game without seeing one of ur builds good shit
True shit
You tryna join ghost gaming Justin
@@alloffthegame2899 lmao
"We can at least begin at the beginning witch is the start"
-Fineok 2021
That's me trying to fill the word count on my essays lol
Wait did he actually 😂 timestamp?
@@gw672 Begins at the beginning witch is the start
0:27
“warding seagull” 😂😂 i love this guy
Haha si -jill. I like seagull better🤣
legit was quite confused when he started talking about it. I was like "I dont recall seeing THAT in the items?"
Even Bria and Odin expressed their displeasure at the thought of people going that nasty starter build at 8:43.
I wish there was a fineokay for every role teaching me as effectively as you do. I’m not even a solo main but I feel like I play that role the most effectively just because I watch your videos so ofyen
Weak3n - Jungle
Fineokay - Solo
We need 3 more
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Pandacat adc
@@agostonkosztolanyi3339 Zapman
@@jarjargod5127 he is a world champion
Friendship with thorns ended. Throwback s4 sunder in solo is my new imaginary best friend
I have a bad headache,this helped.
Feel better
@@DudeImFonz thx dude
10:00 athena is also good with mankins since it procs on her ranged autos
It’s a shame warding seagull doesn’t do anything
those damn seagulls
You can consider it a hyperlategame starter. Very bad in early but it’s upgrade one is actually very tanky
shame it does ward
no it’s op against bluestone warriors TRY IT!
real talk, it's a super niche item but it can counter bluestone pretty well so I really only build it against 2 gods (guess who, lol)
Animosity has to be my favorite "starter" by far. After playing around with it a bit, I can at least say building toxic blade with it is a must. Toxic has flat pen for both damage types so it works with the Animosity passive even on warriors! And every other stat on toxic just works so well with animosity!
Its too fun
Good call
Ninja tabi, frostbound, berserker, talisman, animosity, emperors OP
Commented before he got to that part lmao glad he mentioned it
For tainted steel, I would definitely get it in Cerberus, thanks to his passive, you get 100% anti heal off the rip.
But out of combat healings a thing
If the solo laner has manekins they can solo blue and hit 3 on the second wave, this allows the jungler to solo speed>back harpie>mid harpies(skipping the small harpies camp) and you get both to mid harpies by the time the enemy jungler is on blue buff. Obviously this won't be viable after they nerf manekins scepter but I feel like it's more optimal pathing for the jungler to confirm that neutral mid farm.
Yeah that’s only possible with manikins + you’re still only saving a little time because you’re not helping your jungle clear faster on all 3 camps
I like getting tainted steel later as my antiheal item later on. It either gives you the most antiheal of any single item when upgraded, or adds heal-steal on top of it, which can be just as useful in different ways. This obviously means a boots or item rush build will be required, but it is certainly a decent item if you are a more ability focused character, and your support either already built you know they are going into an aura. Obviously, if you were a more basic attack focused character, then toxic blade would make more sense than it, but you should get the idea.
I'm a big fan of using Bumbas Hammer, yes it removes any semblance of early game bullying and reduces your lane clear potential by a lot, but what it does do is let's you invade their jungle and clear your own at really fast speeds to compensate and if you can hold out until level 20 I was able to turn characters like Tsuku and Osiris into unkillable monsters in the late game
Bonus build, solo Nu Wa with Bumbas Hammer, lifesteal boots, Chronos Pendant, Rod of Tahuti, Lonos Mask and any counter item you need (usually a defense or health item) as long as you're not getting hard focused by rotations and the game doesn't end early you can top damage even with reduced damage due to the sheer out of bots and stuns you're able to throw out in a team fight
Going axe feels like just giving up any form of early pressure. You can't outtrade or outclear the other items and this season seems so reliant on hyperfarming that the lack of damage on the item slows you down.
You trippin
Thanks Fine, been playing with Cthu+Warriors and Manakins+Bellona and both have felt great :D
Side note, he did the Matt Mercer "sigil" thing lol Critters? Anyone?
There are others critters here dont worry ❤
Constantly torn between stacking bluestone with crusher for insane lane pressure and taking warding seagull so I can stack mitigations and actually be a tank late
I hope we get more tank starter items in solo maybe 2 extra with a diffrent passive from warriors axe so you can have a variaty in builds. we have 3 squishy dmg items in solo in manikin, death toll and blue stone which is nice already. But it would suck to build warriors axe everytime like we did with warriors blessing.
It's Hi Rez. They don't have the best track record. And god forbid they reintroduce the starter item that shall not be named.
Warding sigil is very strong in non-conquest game modes. Build it with oni hunters and spirit robe and you have an unhealthy amount of percent mitigations. I did 67k mitigated in 19 minutes for an arena. It's a lot of magical defense but the percent mitigations is what you're after. So if any of you are playing non-conquest you should try it.
What is your opinion on starting manakin on Sylvanus in the solo lane? His area attack, which lets him apply the burn to multiple enemies at once, lets him clear camps and the wave very quickly at levels 1-5, which lets you bully your opponent under their tower and take all the farm from the jungle, totem (manakin can obliterate totem early on), and scorpion. I've even managed to get kills at level 2 against cu chulainn and other top solo gods just by out clearing the wave, rooting with the 1 and letting my surviving minions wail on them.
Everyone should be aware that once things settle down, starts may shift to some degree, likely revolving around blue. Reason being that Bellona with manikins can solo invade your blue the entire time you do speed and backs. Yes, even through the invader's curse. So jungle and solo starts are subject to change revolving around things like that. If you see the enemy solo pick Bellona, it should be assumed that she's going to invade you and go place your free ward on your own blue just in case she does. There's plenty of time to get back to clear speed, so don't worry about missing it. If she does and you're able to catch her, she's 100% dead via invader's curse. If she doesn't, worst case scenario is you're down a free ward that will be back up by the time the enemy jungler even thinks about looking at you. So you really lose nothing.
If she does get your blue, you may never see it again because manikins gives her A LOT of pressure and you aren't going to out clear her with pretty much any god at this point.
I'm really liking your videos. Very clear and descriptive. Thx
So it's looking like bruiser is going to be the support/solo meta this year with all the overturned damage items
Not to mention all the pen hunters get now. Zero reason to build an actual tank. Just bruise build it up on every character in solo.
not the case, sentinels embrace is ABSURD. Every support can go embrace with full aura build andpridwen relic dagger, give allies 60+ of both prots, sylvanus yemoja and are can give 100+ of both prots. Tanks feel worse vs pen but trust me, when you're fighting carries who are giga tanky from being by the support, you'll know
With Terra getting Cleave on her autos while a stone is up (2 or 3) you can start with her 3 and use it to block minions at base to make enemy solo lose minions and xp. Manikins plus the cleave give her plenty of clear for lvl 1/2. I've been having a ton of success with this so far.
Omg I'm using this strat 🤣
What you think of the War Flags, fineO?
I feel like Spartan Flag is good on solo, the radius is huge, and you have it always active.
As solo, you get lv17 before everyone, and that Flag can help your team dominate the transition to late game.
Of course, starting it isn't a good idea, so you would have to go that boots start, or maybe round shield
It's not good solo. Especially against players that know what they are doing
@@kieranpearson5096 how so? It's not avoidable, the power boost is if your allies stand in the radius, the enemy has no control over it except if they back out.
If you dove, this is good for your jungler with you. Or you can turn around and hit their frontline for your dps teammates to better deal with the enemy diver.
Heros Axe as well. That small shell could really help the team late game.
i do have one suggestion, manikins on terra is pretty strong. Her auto attack cleave works with it and you can clear archers at level 1 with just 3 autos or so
Athena Manakins is great. Throwing her spear and getting a proc is great. Especially with Polynomicon.
Same with sylvanus
I’ve been using tainted steel in mid mostly and it’s been really nice. I’ve been going up against a lot of Anubis and Ra in mid so it’s been working out nicely. If the enemy team has two or more healers, early tainted steel is worth it IMO.
In solo i like going whichever starter item i think would be good on the god im playing, then go tier 1 sledge, then go boots, then finish sledge, then go off of the enemy team because i feel like sledge is really good
FO, idk if you have tested dominance and exe or not yet. But they go beyond the 40% cap right now.
You can build berskerers, serrated edge, dominance, exe and all of that pen stacks up. It's absolutely nutty. Add a frostbound and qins or something and it is honestly terrifying.
Zhong Kui with sacrificial shroud and a bancrofts+Typhons bruiser build is insane
The thumbnail is pure GOLD, 10/10 would recommend.
I've been doing Ah Puch solo a lot recently and I don't feel bad about going Sands of Time because I tend to build health items and The Alternate Timeline's stats are pretty decent for a hybrid solo.
I've been on a puch solo grind for a hot minute, and I feel like shroud is nutty, you can 1 the wave and pick up bodies and get full mana and 100 ish health back
I also feel like hades is an undervalued solo. I win everytime in solo as him with shroud
@@liamfitzgerald8313 big respect, i think he's such a fun niche pick if there's loads of healing on the other team.
Can you do a matchup Video for the most used Solos?
Thanks man, was waiting for you to drop this video before I even jumped on conquest again! Let’s go!!
I think most guardians and mages like Zk or Hades have to build Warriors Axe because Vampiric upgraded version is kinda meeh. The sustain is nice, but its just that, sustain and dmg, and you cant even stack lifesteal constantly because you dont have low cds on these gods (I think its an item exclusive for He bo lmao). The only god in solo I like Vampiric with is Artio since it provides her with so much hp/mana sustain and you can spam the lifesteal of the upgraded version since you have so many abilities to proc it.
About Tainted steel, I do like it just with Cerb, its so abusive honestly. Having that item with Cerb you have 40% antiheal bc of Cerb's passive + that starter, and also gives you power and prots from both sources, I don't think that is possible to outtrade Cerb with that item. Also I like the upgraded version of it, tainted Amulet, making him to have his passive from healing him 50% to 100+50= 150%.
And about animosity, I find it so risky. If the enemy has a starter item, specially an agressive one like bluestone or manikin and you dont have starter because youre waiting for animosity I think they will abuse you so much and you will probably be out of the game for so long and maybe you lose the game before you get animosity, idk.
Btw, Warrior's Axe and its upgrade version still have true dmg.
I feel like Manikins and Deaths toll is pretty much carry for osiris. They both require auto attacks and manikins foes more damage but deaths toll gives more lifesteal due to how much health you have. Soooooo they are more or less almost the same for osiris.
Thoughts on invading their first blue with Manikin? Saw Nika do it and I've successfully done it twice now, nobody expects it
Personally I know I’m a nobody but what I think is people are gonna catch on and good players will just ward the path to blue to see if you try to go for blue that way after you insta clear speed and you’re on your way to exps you’ll see the person trying to go for it and punish it that’s just my 2 cents
no point when you can get level 3 from the 2nd wave if you just do normal start that Fineo has stated. Invading will only delay both of you and your opponent's level 2.
Khesora not necessarily because if people don’t know and you do the start you get their blue and you’re and have almost the same amount of experience while also hitting wave while they don’t hit 2 cause they don’t get blue but it’s a risk start overall and would only do it if you see their comp has slower clear speed imo giving you less room for error but also with the warding the pathing that’s just stops it completely and think that if it happens enough that’s what should be a response to that but that the same time the casual player so behind on what’s “good” that we will see how it would turn out only 3 days of season 8 I’m sure wonky stuff will happen
@@abdi7544 how? You can’t do speed, xp camps and invade. There’s literally no way without missing wave. No point.
I literally have always warded my blue and since my Jungle will be there aswell your not getting it
Hey Alec! I was wondering how you felt about warbanner on serqet solo and building similar to, I believe it was, season 5 guardians blessing start on serqet solo. Thanks for all the s8 content!
That thumbnail is so good lol
This guide really helped me a lot been waiting for it
Tainted steel works really well against hades and aphro but other than that I can't see a good use for it.
pretty keen to try bluestone Osiris and animosity Osiris with tank boots rush.
Im going Warriors Axe upgraded sunder and some pots. Its the wild west out here
I've played Cerb with Shroud.... It's very mean with the amount of healing you have while fighting especially within a wave
Isnt blue stone also a problem going into a starter like manakin scepter or warriors axe that the flat damage reduction kinda mitigates a good portion of the blue stone damage? I thought i heard someone say that blue stone works different from last time where it does its damage in 4 ticks instead of 2. So manakin mitagates 12 and warriors 8 of whatever is left after base protections.
I’ve found that bluestone boots gaia makes you unkillable and unboxable. You will sacrafice some prots late so you can keep it or sell it. But gaia and bluestone early is 45 hp5
Perhaps Cerberus passive and Tainted Steel can reach critical mass and be decent. I'm sure that vampiric and warrior's would be better, but sometimes it isn't about winning, is about the opponent losing.
I'm curious, what about if you're going an assassin like Ne Zha who can fill multiple roles?
btw runeforged hammer buffs animosity damage on gods(not structures) its actually dumb
So the thing with Tainted Steel I feel like Cerberus could rock that very well if he gets that level 20 upgrade with the stealing the reduced healing. So he would just heal an insane amount on anyone running fat life steal.
Was Bellona vs Set in the solo lane and won the early game match up, no minions. With Death Toll vs a Manikin Set. I dont think its trash/useless
I have taken over 400 damage from a jungle nem from manikin’s sceptre alone when I was even with her and I was in solo. She also had Qin’s which did 450, and she hits hard so I did die. But she never ulted me, and she wasn’t lv20 yet do manikin’s wasn’t upgraded. Manikins is beyond broken right now
The video we were all waiting for by big man fineo
When you said probably warriors axe for Arthur, I thought no way that it would be better than bluestone on Arthur but then sure enough I got a mirror match against a pretty decent Arthur and he went bluestone/warrior boots/soul eater/void shield and I went warriors axe/tank boots/stone of gaia/glad shield and at around level 12+ I was out trading him for the rest of the game, I did have to play very careful at levels 1-5 though
should try Spartan flag, think it’s underrated for solos if support isn’t getting it
You mean war flag? No. You have to have another source kill things and. Ot yourself to get the benefits. It's not worth in solo
Thoughts on an upgraded relic at start in solo? I upgraded a Cursed Ankh as Chu into a Hades and was still able to pick up Health chalice and 2 health pots.
Not good because it's still a hades he can't fight any meta solo laner without a wave. You don't need to upgrade it so soon
He can't fight without the wave if ur playing a decent pick at least. Like for example chu chu sun mulan or even camazotz
@@ans-dq9xh yes but during the laneing phase it was quite useful. I was able to to kill him once before level 5 and the damage increase helped me kill him and the jungler around level 10ish. It's a niche pick up absolutely but worth considering based on the matchup
Honestly it's probably even more niche to Chu Chu since I'm really only losing out on 2 health pots at start, and it does slow down getting boots
Been waiting on this thanks man
Manikin or warriors axe...these r the only go to. Unless u r swk and u get bluestone
Have been popping off with this build on cu chu boots, chalice tier 1 gauntlet/ greaves, gauntlet , sledge, dominance, animosity, spirit robe or hide of urchin he so tanky n hits autos hard
I'm curious wether bluestone is viable on cabrakan or vamp/warrior is better. Bluestone and his 3 seem interesting together
Bluestone on herc is pretty good
You instantly clear wave
And the mp5 and hp5 on herc is good cuz he's really mana hungry
Have you tried manikin athena? Seems pubstompy with the proc on her throw and the cleaves
Sun Bluekong has finally returned
Really appreciate this vid
Warding sigil is awesome against ability spammers like Arthur or Artio.
Never take any damage ever. Even reduces Bluestone/Manikin ticks.
I seem to do really bad early game and midish game. Maybe it's because I never played solo much but now I am, but I feel like I'll get ganked a lot if I'm winning or I'll get behind fast. Maybe I just need more practice on it
Waraxe and Armor start as a Nike player😳. Fineokay you might’ve just saved my ranked matches
With tainted steel upgrade you get 50% anti heal, what no other item does unless I'm missing 1. Not good early but if you another starter you can't get it later on.
but if your team has 1 pestilence, 1 brawlers, 1 divine you already have 100% anti heal, that is without any auto auto-attack items or cursed ankh. It is only really worth it against Camazotz, Hel or Tyr.
@@bigfudge2031 not really tyr. You can shut him down with contagion depending on team
@@bigfudge2031 You really putting alot of faith in your team build those items :). Fair enough though I guess. I think 15 of each prot and 10 damage is still good and the 50% anti heal at the end when your diving the backline helps a ton imo. Its very niche wouldnt pick it every game or anything but it isn't terrible and it frees up your team to get a deso over divine or a crusher over brawlers, whilst your still tanky anyway.
Like I said though it is niche but I dont think its a terrible option especially for casual and some levels of ranked when playing with randoms especially
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love the content dude!
Great vid fine! also how do u enable hitboxes and that blue line that you have in front of your character?
Would set be good with animosity?
Why is bluestone recommended on sunwukong vs manikin? I get Arthur and Tyr have lots of abilities to spam and take advantage of bluestone, so I’m just wondering how sunwukong made that list. Thanks!
Idk about high tier games but in my lobies I'd say I'm above average. Zhong qui solo is still amazing
Use the axe on him. U literally get free hp every time ur stuff off cool down pretty much
Will there be a guide for support?
Thanks a lot, Alec.
Would tainted be good against hades and ra solos? or is it not worth it over the other items
the different between warrior axe and warrior blessing is the fact u don't also steal mana only health. and u get less protections
Fine coming through for us solo laners
What should you start on a solo fenrir?
Glad I stayed up tonight to see this
Blue invades are so easy with manikan. No one wards for some reason lol
Great vid fineo :)
Is the animosity build worth it on Bellona?
Does the upgrade version of the warriors axe stacks with ethereal staff?😳
Manakins or bluestone for Thor?
Has he done Terra with Animosity? Her cleave autos double proc it which is crazy.
Sylv with scepter is lit
Great video!!😃
8:44 lol
WARDING SEAGULL! THE RONA HAS DEVOURED HIS MIND
LMFAO
Manikens isn't as good as you think on AA gods. It works if you know who you're going to be laning against, but that's the problem. You don't. Death's Toll is much more useful in the scenarios you don't, and does fine into literally every starter item it can go against. It also helps Erlang most since he has dramatic mana problems. Also, not a fan of the Erlang build. Barely any CDR and that's a problem when you're already deciding not to go for sustain. And no, you're not going to get the scorpion considering the only lane bully AA god is Bellona. Manikens doesn't give you outtrade on aa gods since they don't have sustain. It only useful for jungle farm, in which case you're kinda screwing your jungler. Also you'll be wanting for lots of pots since you have no sustain. The minor defenses don't save manikens, and you're prayin' you get that lategame (and that you'll even be able to abuse it) with manikens. Better as a jungler item. You could argue the axe instead but i don't think that's going to be enough for an AA god. If manikens is this valued than there is no reason not to value the fact erlang double procs death's toll.
Also upgraded bluestone is viable and useful. Especially on Arthur. It procs on everything, FG and Titans included. Abuse it. Don't suggest swapping it for tank items when you can just sell boots for another tank item.
Bluestone Fenrir ... quote me ... new meta
Does manikin work with Jorm?
Would Hero’s Axe be a bad upgrade for someone like Guan Yu?
Would maniqin be good on cabrakan?
Bluestone ne zha is back feelsgoodman
I'm now calling it Warding Seagull
One big question I have for you, does mystical mail proc tainted amulet's passive?
Turn your mic up on future recordings, its better to have a loud voice rather than loud music for these tutorials. Other than that I honestly appreciate everything you do GOAT