This was the sad reality I discovered once I graduated from film school. The system will use you for your love of the art of filmmaking, and leave you a broken shell of yourself. If you say anything your head is on the chopping block and there is an infinite number of hungry other people who can instantly fill your place, so people feel like they have to pretty much kill themselves just to get their foot in the door.
I just left the business after 20+ years. The pandemic gave me the time to understand I want more from my life. I hope the change happens because I know how hard the crew works and gets treated like dirt. I wonder if the Rock saw that mention & what he might say.
He doesn't seem to care. He wants to build himself a Rock Empire. He's likely to be a democratic candidate soon, and he doesn't support the 2nd Amendment.
I’m from the US, an extra and bit actor in Israel. I think that the crew are usually treated ok in terms of how they are spoken to, but working without breaks until late hours is usual. I thought that it was better in US
I wondered if you are an actor or in production so I looked at your profile. From your subscriptions I see we are on the same page. I also sell art for a major gallery, but also limited because of pandemic. Let’s keep on living in the light! The best antidote.
I’m a medic in the UK. Not only do I work on frontline ambulances but I also work as a Production Medic in Film/TV. I take the health and safety of crew very seriously and have before (and would again) called break, which is a huge no as the director is the only one who usually calls break, so the crew could rest and eat etc. I have also shut productions down due to concerns that I have had over crew health/welfare.
This is also affecting non-Hollywood labor markets as well. People are EXPECTING to work through breaks rather than give them to the crews... especially camera and sound crews.
These work conditions are absolutely unnecessary. I may be relatively knew to the Industry (just under 10 yrs), but I immediately saw this is not working, for the the talent behind the camera, nor in front. I'm currently crunching numbers for a feature film production, and budgeting a 5 day - 12 hour a day (with 2 meal breaks) shoot schedule, with all salaries from PA to Director, BG to Leads, all being paid a more than livable wage, I know that's still 60 hrs a week, but no one should be too burnt out from this schedule, and everyone will have at least 2 days off to rest up and come back to the set feeling fresh and rested. I've received some slight backlash from a few people in the Industry, "We can shoot 6 days a week", "1 meal break is sufficient" and "We can shoot 14 hrs a day". I say NO, treat your Cast and Crew, (essentially all employees) well and they will be more than willing to do the best work for you. It can be done! I completely support this Strike! Change is needed. Now!
as a film student there is literally no way. each delay in shoot costs so much money. we have no choice but to work 24 hours straight sometimes because we can't afford to delay the production.
To the people behind the camera, people who do the makeup, people who do the cool effects for the movies and other great things, you ALL DESERVE BETTER than what you're given now. $5 to $10 less is just unacceptable.
You guys deserve better conditions!!! My family are riggers, techs, grips etc and they're prepared to go on strike for the betterment of brothers and sisters who are the backbone on any TV show or movie production. I hope the best happens whether the strike does happen or negotiations are made. Union Strong
It's even more likely they'll get away with it because so many people want in the industry. They know that. They use it. They will tell you upfront,"there's hundreds behind you, just like you that will do it for less. They'll also work longer. We all have to sacrifice for this gift we're given."
100% supporting the strike. I work as an extra/stand-in, and have had several co-workers quit in the last 3 yrs, due to the crazy schedules. They can't have a life or raise a family with those types of schedules and low pay. Don't blame them.
I would of liked to hear from a Production Assistant’s interview/POV. Yes these people are also going through the same thing but from my experience of working in the film industry the PA’s see the most, hear the most, and know the most about what happens on set considering people think they’re worthless because they’re at the bottom level of film industry crew level.
That “The Rock” movie she’s referring to working on a promo for - I’m pretty sure I worked on the filming of that movie. They started filming in early 2020, but got delayed, due to the pandemic shut down. By fall 2020, they were back into production. That’s when I worked on that show. (I’m a PA, so I’m paid pennies for the same long hours, but with no union protection. PAs are actually skilled workers as well, but since we are basically “entry level,” we are treated like cannon fodder.) Anyway, I digress - what I wanted to point out here, that since Netflix was so behind on this movie, they really pushed the entire crew. They had most of us working 6 days straight- some worked 14 or more days straight - but the absolute worst who got it, was construction. Like the rest of the departments, they were “Protected” by IATSE. Netflix had them working 30+ days in a row, 17+ hour days, WITH NO DAYS OFF. I heard that one of them decided to take a Sunday off, and he was fired for it. The abuse was too much. The only thing IATSE could do for them was ensure they were compensated financially for all the hard work. As if money makes up for health and lost time. All productions force workers to work too many hours, 12 hours for everyone being there bare minimum standard the same way that 8 hours is standard for your average office job. I say bare minimum, because people are ever rarely done right at 12 hours. 12 hours does not factor in pre-shooting and wrap time. 12 is the minimum, but 14 -16 hours is usually the average for most crew. (Occasionally you’ll find a production running on “French hours” which is 10 hours, but it means they work without breaks, and is really more like 12 when you factor in the pre-shooting and wrap after shooting. But even 10 hours is too long, IMO). While 14-16 hours a day is common for your typical film/tv production, these big streaming companies are even more abusive. This strike is long overdue.
Same happened to me. I was working on a Netflix show called Moment of Truth, about a nuclear plant meltdown that took place in the past here in the US. Rigging. I was worked without a lunch break. When I took a day off it that I needed I was off the project plus they didn’t pay me for all the days I worked and was too exhausted to figure out how to fight it as I was recovering from the working conditions plus not wanting to cause trouble for I am non-union trying to get union days so I can be union for I want to be union yet the union won’t let me in yet even though I have been working in the industry since 1999.
i work in the industry in NZ and I support you stand tall and make them understand that without crews they have nothing its time to stand up to these big productions
I used to PA, 5 years and i know its a crazy game! I quite because among other reasons, I got so sick from long hours, lack of sleep and too much heavy lifting. And it was interfering with my acting career. Darn right I support the strike!
I remember our first film sound class with a god tier industry soundie. The first thing he said to us after meeting was "So this is what you love doing right? Well, you guys are crazy. I've lost 2 marriages and survived drugs and all sorts of risks for this" - Don't get me wrong; the old man was a sweetheart and down the line he just wanted us to understand that we as young aspiring film sound professionals deserved better than what he experienced starting out. It's been 6 years since that class and me and my close colleagues are just starting to get a grip on the concepts he briefly talked about. Our health and well being should be first priority. No fancy gig is going to sky rocket out careers into big time success it doesn't work like that anymore. No one talks about that camera assistant that jumped over a bridge, no one talks about the retired boomops/steadycams/camops who deal with massive spine injuries. No one talks about families being torn apart by all this. I really hope for better days ahead.
1,000% support you all!! I knew conditions had to be garbage for the amount of shows/movies these streaming giants AND major studios keep pumping out. You guys represent the everyday working man who are worked and used and not treated or paid their worth, this is a problem in so many industries and companies and needs to change. You are representing so many people all around the country.
Just worked over 18 hours a couple weeks ago for Netflix and no break. We’ve done Fraterdays for weeks with no breaks. I have not worked less than 70 hours a week since the start. At one point reached over 80.
@@letLOVEbeyourweapon Money is not the point of any of this? Um..... the biggest selling point for IATSE has been a LIVING WAGE. Do you realize that means MONEY, right? And yeah, i get that not everyone is covered by the union, but thats irrelevant since the issue here are UNION workers. A UNION contract will have ZERO affect on non-union folks. Stop your complaining........
If you subscribe to a streaming (New Media) service, send a letter to their corporate board telling them to give their workers what they have been asking for. They must negotiate in GOOD FAITH and stop treating workers like throw-away commodities.
Yeah you really get the short end of the straw with these productions. It's disgusting to me that they think this kind of blatant abuse is ok. They're just raking in money and bleeding the production staff dry. I hope you can get everything you're fighting for.
I 100% support them striking! It's insane that only a handful get fair working hours and insane pay, while everyone else who carries the film project live in poverty. It's wrong. Fight back!
I mostly do small independent low budget films right now, so I expect the "all hands on deck" at all hours mentality, it goes with the territory of finding your footing in the indie industry. The fact that your A-list studios are demanding this is gross and immoral. I 100% stand behind you on this. You deserve better and Netflix and Amazon need to stop pulling the "It's a new industry" argument. They know exactly how much to pay their A-list talent. They don't get to plead ignorance and knowledge in the same hand.
The one who can walk away has all the power. The Below the Line workers have all the power now. Get everything you want, need, desire and deserve and then get more, just because.
This is disgraceful. All of these people matter. Give them fair wages, their breaks, and their lunch. This kind of treatment is despicable. Showing off their huge budgets by paying the actors well.....treat EVERYONE well.
The divide between the haves and the have nots (below the line) is becoming huge! It’s disgusting that these huge corporations with massive profits treat their skilled workers with such disregard.
Wishing all production workers the best in this struggle for fairness. The big streamers have screwed musicians, now they are screwing motion picture crews. Both have to stop. And maybe the above the line super stars and their agents could consider a stipulation that makes sure crews are taken care of - even lower THEIR pay to make it happen.
As someone working on getting into the film industry, this makes me anxious and worried. I can’t believe I’m making more at a grocery store than on set crew members
This is ridiculous! Making a movie is a team job and everyone in the team deserves to be treated with the same amount of respect. I produce my own independent films and, even with a super limited budget, one of my number one priorities is that everyone who is involved in the project feels good about being on set. When one is overtired and hungry it is a lot harder to deliver good work and collaborate in a productive way.
Wow, and I thought working in the steel mill for 10 hour shifts 6 days a week was tough. Thank you for making me realize how lucky I am leaving covered in coal dust every day. Falling asleep on a couch sounds horrible . The next time I do rail changes on a blast furnace I will remember how lucky I am to not be on a sunny film set in California .
Yup I've been there. Did a 32 hour shift once to complete an energy shield on time. I think it's not too much to ask of some of the most profitable companies in the world to have fair working schedules. Divorce rates are high, falling asleep at the wheel is common, burnout, nepotism, sexism, toxic men... all things we are forced to put up with to be "team players" (volunTOLD or you won't get a call back on the next one). The HODs and team leads are usually great people... it's just the corporate environment/schedule they are forced to lead a team in.
Having worked in Film. There is a ton of down time. There is mostly waisted time on film sets. I can remember sleeping on the set for hours to film one 12 second shot. Working from 7pm to 7am was the norm. But lots of down time.
Also why are the largest companies in the industry paying "new media rates" ... 20% off for """startups""" like Disney, Amazon, Paramount, Netflix... yeah those poor corporations really need a break!
Same thing in live events. Atrocious! I do know how it feels, work as live sound engineer, i did twice 48 hour shifts! And 20 hour is a norm. And all for love for music and people now it and use it.
Going into the 2010's I wasn't even crazy about the crew themselves, the content, the "talent", gaslighting, discrimination, some creepy experiences, etc. Even credited in one of the most beloved movies ever. But who really cares? About 2 years of the 18 years were good. Glad I left. Pure waste of energy. I miss the desire to see movies too.
Wow… I used to work on blockbuster comicbook films, but it was only the last few weeks that became 12 hour days. However, when there were brutal long days over the weekend- they would pay extra for awesome catered lunches, and would order out during the evenings. We were well cared for at Sony Pictures. This is effing nuts… I would NEVER put up with it and would have walked away in a couple weeks with my middle finger behind my back.
People are cared at Netflix and Amazon too. I am sure their rates have nothing to do with "new media" or Amazon or Netflix. Probably, as always, someone "in the middle" decided to cut the costs and pay them less. That's it.
@@peeeep766 Oh, yes, I totally forgot that NO two crews are the same. I’ve seen amazing production peeps (worked with them,, thank god), and then I have seen some production management crew you wonder how they ever graduated high school. From what I am reading is that the streamers’ prodcudtions seem to pay less across the board. It probably those rogue production teams sucking the life out of people.
After working in the industry, in Hollywood for 42 years, I'll say the toughest part has been working with these whiners. Maybe it's about time to ban soy milk.
I WORKED FOR 30 YEARS, AS A BOOM OP., NYC, AND WAS "IN", TOWER ONE, WHEN THE FIRST JET SLAMMED INTO IT. DON'T EVEN GET OUT OF BED FOR LESS THAN $500.00 U.S. PER DAY.
I absolutely stand behind my film industry colleagues as they fight for basic, humane wages and working conditions. These issues cause so many incredibly talented people to burn out and leave every year. Our jobs should not be an endurance trial. 4:00am call times and stale Red Vines should be the worst thing we have to put up with, not brutally slavish working conditions.
Well guys… Girls… It’s simple to make this change. Strike! Everybody everybody walk out… They can’t make these movies without you. Everybody just has to agree that you’re walking out until not only the pay is fair but they cut the hours way way down.
It happens more than folks think!!especially for non union folks!!I A lot of people don't speak out for fear of being black balled, Or thought of as difficult to work with
In Ten years in Film, I;ve fallen asleep while driving and crashed my car travelling at 90kmph and I've Fainted/Collapsed on set twice. This is not untypical for the industry.
I don't work in VFX but I KNOW VFX artists are treated like shit. The VFX industry doesn't even have a formal union yet. If our union workers are being treated this poorly, just IMAGINE how bad it is for VFX artists. VFX is literally the backbone of the industry at this point. EVERYTHING has VFX in it. If you're a VFX artist and you're reading this, know that you deserve better than sleeping on a fucking air mattress in an office 6 days a week. Not trying to shit post. Working conditions in this industry have gotten WAAAAAAY out of hand for everybody.
You know what. Screw that. Ive worked 20 hour days and slept in the FX truck until my glovebox was full of cheques. And i love that there is still a few industries left that reward people for putting in hard work. I love working balls out for six months and taking the other six months off if I want. And you little babies are gonna come along and ruin it because you need instant gratification. A weekly life work balance. What are you going to build in your life with a free weekend? Now think about what you could accomplish in six months totally to yourself. Why aren’t you more ashamed of yourselves?
VFX and post production SUFFERS a lot as well. The amount of over time they do , UNPAID time I am talking about. They add up to 300+ hours a year easily.
WHAT ABOUT US SECURITY GUARD FOR THE SET'S! ITS HORRIBLE, 12-17 HOUR SHIFTS ALMOST DYING TO MAKE IT HOME! WE GET TREATED THE WORST AND PAID THE WORST ALSO! #NMFILM
Mabye these movie stars should be with the workers on there sets on this and support them instead of fakely acting like they are just like us while making millions
Well fed crew is happy crew, its like the first thing for me even as micro youtube producer. Probably its easy to say with super small productions but i thought food breake its like the least thing production have to give.
The best way that people outside the union can support the strike is to cancel their subscription services for the duration and encourage others to do so too. It sounds painful and hard, but next time you watch something, take a look at the long long list of people in the credits. Sit while they scroll by even when netflix tries to skip to the next episode and keep them invisible. Imagine how hard every single of those people work and how badly they are treated. If the subscribers take a stand too, it will send an important message to these services that the consumers care how they behave.
That is crazy you people are hard workers you need your breaks stand together don’t let them treat you like shit that is sad 😢 I never knew that they treated there workers so bad
STAY ON STRIKE UNTIL THEY GIVE YOU WHAT YOU DESERVE!!!! UNION STRONG!!! ACTORS ARE NOT HEROS......WORKERS ARE!!!!! THEY CAN'T MAKE THEIR MONEY WITHOUT US !!!!!!!!! #GeneralStrikeNow
Actors are workers? That’s why they have a union? Notice there is not studio executive union? It’s the company executives that are the are pocketing the money from grinding everyone on set to dust. They pay themselves first and do “Hollywood accounting“ before anyone else sees a dime.
Nicolas Cage and Sam Elliot understand this. Individually, they visited our ‘lowly’ visual effects crew. Came to our office place, went to dailes with all of us. And were interested in what we do, etc. etc. There are FEW in between.
Sure hear a lot of crap involving amazon these days , , , Imagine how many tons of brick they'd have to eat if for all of sudden amazon customers didn't get their orders processed for 1 or 2 days in a row ? ? ?
To the people in positions higher than the minimum salary: It is simply sad to see that companies above a certain size continue to believe that they have to grow at any price. People in higher positions should perhaps think about whether the people around them and the culture and society around them are not more important than accumulating even more salary or wealth. In the end, it is the people around you with whom you spend special moments and they define your own story. You decide who is important to you and what your goals are. Most movies are about having to save the individual, why don't such entrepreneurs care about how their employees are doing? So the simple fact: Is my goal more money - or do I get more out of making people happy?
If you work those long hours, at the very least pay them a lot more money. Then, their labor can be fruitful and they can save for retirement much easier. Working insane hours for 15 years straight beats working 50 plus years at 40 hours a week. Let these people at least enjoy having very well paid hours if you are to work them for long days.....
This was the sad reality I discovered once I graduated from film school. The system will use you for your love of the art of filmmaking, and leave you a broken shell of yourself. If you say anything your head is on the chopping block and there is an infinite number of hungry other people who can instantly fill your place, so people feel like they have to pretty much kill themselves just to get their foot in the door.
Same for the video game industry, passion is used against them to work longer for less pay. It’s actually completely sickening and deplorable
I just left the business after 20+ years. The pandemic gave me the time to understand I want more from my life. I hope the change happens because I know how hard the crew works and gets treated like dirt. I wonder if the Rock saw that mention & what he might say.
I’m glad you left, i hope you’re doing all right.
This also isn’t the first time I’ve heard this about The Rock.
He doesn't seem to care. He wants to build himself a Rock Empire.
He's likely to be a democratic candidate soon, and he doesn't support the 2nd Amendment.
I’m from the US, an extra and bit actor in Israel. I think that the crew are usually treated ok in terms of how they are spoken to, but working without breaks until late hours is usual. I thought that it was better in US
I wondered if you are an actor or in production so I looked at your profile. From your subscriptions I see we are on the same page. I also sell art for a major gallery, but also limited because of pandemic. Let’s keep on living in the light! The best antidote.
I’m a medic in the UK. Not only do I work on frontline ambulances but I also work as a Production Medic in Film/TV. I take the health and safety of crew very seriously and have before (and would again) called break, which is a huge no as the director is the only one who usually calls break, so the crew could rest and eat etc. I have also shut productions down due to concerns that I have had over crew health/welfare.
This is also affecting non-Hollywood labor markets as well. People are EXPECTING to work through breaks rather than give them to the crews... especially camera and sound crews.
These work conditions are absolutely unnecessary. I may be relatively knew to the Industry (just under 10 yrs), but I immediately saw this is not working, for the the talent behind the camera, nor in front. I'm currently crunching numbers for a feature film production, and budgeting a 5 day - 12 hour a day (with 2 meal breaks) shoot schedule, with all salaries from PA to Director, BG to Leads, all being paid a more than livable wage, I know that's still 60 hrs a week, but no one should be too burnt out from this schedule, and everyone will have at least 2 days off to rest up and come back to the set feeling fresh and rested. I've received some slight backlash from a few people in the Industry, "We can shoot 6 days a week", "1 meal break is sufficient" and "We can shoot 14 hrs a day". I say NO, treat your Cast and Crew, (essentially all employees) well and they will be more than willing to do the best work for you. It can be done! I completely support this Strike! Change is needed. Now!
They must not have a life, wanting to work 14 hr days. Thank you for having common sense.
as a film student there is literally no way.
each delay in shoot costs so much money.
we have no choice but to work 24 hours straight sometimes because we can't afford to delay the production.
To the people behind the camera, people who do the makeup, people who do the cool effects for the movies and other great things, you ALL DESERVE BETTER than what you're given now. $5 to $10 less is just unacceptable.
You guys deserve better conditions!!! My family are riggers, techs, grips etc and they're prepared to go on strike for the betterment of brothers and sisters who are the backbone on any TV show or movie production. I hope the best happens whether the strike does happen or negotiations are made. Union Strong
It's even more likely they'll get away with it because so many people want in the industry. They know that. They use it. They will tell you upfront,"there's hundreds behind you, just like you that will do it for less. They'll also work longer. We all have to sacrifice for this gift we're given."
This is why we have our unions. People that cross the line and work while we strike will be black balled
I canceled my Netflix subscription. You serve to be treated as the prod you are! 💖 from NM.
#Unions4ThePeople
100% supporting the strike. I work as an extra/stand-in, and have had several co-workers quit in the last 3 yrs, due to the crazy schedules. They can't have a life or raise a family with those types of schedules and low pay. Don't blame them.
I would of liked to hear from a Production Assistant’s interview/POV. Yes these people are also going through the same thing but from my experience of working in the film industry the PA’s see the most, hear the most, and know the most about what happens on set considering people think they’re worthless because they’re at the bottom level of film industry crew level.
That “The Rock” movie she’s referring to working on a promo for - I’m pretty sure I worked on the filming of that movie. They started filming in early 2020, but got delayed, due to the pandemic shut down. By fall 2020, they were back into production. That’s when I worked on that show. (I’m a PA, so I’m paid pennies for the same long hours, but with no union protection. PAs are actually skilled workers as well, but since we are basically “entry level,” we are treated like cannon fodder.) Anyway, I digress - what I wanted to point out here, that since Netflix was so behind on this movie, they really pushed the entire crew. They had most of us working 6 days straight- some worked 14 or more days straight - but the absolute worst who got it, was construction. Like the rest of the departments, they were “Protected” by IATSE.
Netflix had them working 30+ days in a row, 17+ hour days, WITH NO DAYS OFF. I heard that one of them decided to take a Sunday off, and he was fired for it.
The abuse was too much. The only thing IATSE could do for them was ensure they were compensated financially for all the hard work. As if money makes up for health and lost time.
All productions force workers to work too many hours, 12 hours for everyone being there bare minimum standard the same way that 8 hours is standard for your average office job. I say bare minimum, because people are ever rarely done right at 12 hours. 12 hours does not factor in pre-shooting and wrap time. 12 is the minimum, but 14 -16 hours is usually the average for most crew.
(Occasionally you’ll find a production running on “French hours” which is 10 hours, but it means they work without breaks, and is really more like 12 when you factor in the pre-shooting and wrap after shooting. But even 10 hours is too long, IMO).
While 14-16 hours a day is common for your typical film/tv production, these big streaming companies are even more abusive.
This strike is long overdue.
Same happened to me. I was working on a Netflix show called Moment of Truth, about a nuclear plant meltdown that took place in the past here in the US. Rigging. I was worked without a lunch break. When I took a day off it that I needed I was off the project plus they didn’t pay me for all the days I worked and was too exhausted to figure out how to fight it as I was recovering from the working conditions plus not wanting to cause trouble for I am non-union trying to get union days so I can be union for I want to be union yet the union won’t let me in yet even though I have been working in the industry since 1999.
and then christian bale yells at you cuz you were in the wrong spot
i work in the industry in NZ and I support you stand tall and make them understand that without crews they have nothing its time to stand up to these big productions
This is very real, the work conditions have become more than dangerous
I used to PA, 5 years and i know its a crazy game! I quite because among other reasons, I got so sick from long hours, lack of sleep and too much heavy lifting.
And it was interfering with my acting career. Darn right I support the strike!
I remember our first film sound class with a god tier industry soundie. The first thing he said to us after meeting was "So this is what you love doing right? Well, you guys are crazy. I've lost 2 marriages and survived drugs and all sorts of risks for this" - Don't get me wrong; the old man was a sweetheart and down the line he just wanted us to understand that we as young aspiring film sound professionals deserved better than what he experienced starting out. It's been 6 years since that class and me and my close colleagues are just starting to get a grip on the concepts he briefly talked about. Our health and well being should be first priority. No fancy gig is going to sky rocket out careers into big time success it doesn't work like that anymore. No one talks about that camera assistant that jumped over a bridge, no one talks about the retired boomops/steadycams/camops who deal with massive spine injuries. No one talks about families being torn apart by all this. I really hope for better days ahead.
1,000% support you all!! I knew conditions had to be garbage for the amount of shows/movies these streaming giants AND major studios keep pumping out. You guys represent the everyday working man who are worked and used and not treated or paid their worth, this is a problem in so many industries and companies and needs to change. You are representing so many people all around the country.
Just worked over 18 hours a couple weeks ago for Netflix and no break. We’ve done Fraterdays for weeks with no breaks. I have not worked less than 70 hours a week since the start. At one point reached over 80.
And i bet you made a ton of money that week with your pre-negotiated union overtime rates. Stop crying......
@@brendamcpherson8663 First of all you realize that not everyone on set is under a union. As well as money is not the point of any of this.
@@letLOVEbeyourweapon Money is not the point of any of this? Um..... the biggest selling point for IATSE has been a LIVING WAGE. Do you realize that means MONEY, right? And yeah, i get that not everyone is covered by the union, but thats irrelevant since the issue here are UNION workers. A UNION contract will have ZERO affect on non-union folks. Stop your complaining........
If you subscribe to a streaming (New Media) service, send a letter to their corporate board telling them to give their workers what they have been asking for. They must negotiate in GOOD FAITH and stop treating workers like throw-away commodities.
the same thing is and has been happening in VFX. Computer VFX. We don't even have a Union to rely on or lean on. Nothing. It's just us as gig workers.
VFX have it worse.
Coming from a DIT
Yeah you really get the short end of the straw with these productions. It's disgusting to me that they think this kind of blatant abuse is ok. They're just raking in money and bleeding the production staff dry. I hope you can get everything you're fighting for.
Yess king and queens, get your life back. Don't let Bezos and Netflix bully you! #standingWithIATSE
I 100% support them striking! It's insane that only a handful get fair working hours and insane pay, while everyone else who carries the film project live in poverty. It's wrong. Fight back!
I mostly do small independent low budget films right now, so I expect the "all hands on deck" at all hours mentality, it goes with the territory of finding your footing in the indie industry. The fact that your A-list studios are demanding this is gross and immoral. I 100% stand behind you on this. You deserve better and Netflix and Amazon need to stop pulling the "It's a new industry" argument. They know exactly how much to pay their A-list talent. They don't get to plead ignorance and knowledge in the same hand.
Solidarity! I hope the labor community rises together in this, as in all struggles! May victory be yours!
I think all of the above the line unions have released statements that they support the strike action.
Good for you for standing up. The work practices suck-16 hour days; brutal.
The one who can walk away has all the power. The Below the Line workers have all the power now. Get everything you want, need, desire and deserve and then get more, just because.
This is disgraceful. All of these people matter. Give them fair wages, their breaks, and their lunch. This kind of treatment is despicable. Showing off their huge budgets by paying the actors well.....treat EVERYONE well.
Strike! This is obscene and your experience matters. Don't let the threat of SCABS stop you.
No scabs will be able to technically do the job and keep the pace.
The divide between the haves and the have nots (below the line) is becoming huge! It’s disgusting that these huge corporations with massive profits treat their skilled workers with such disregard.
Wishing all production workers the best in this struggle for fairness. The big streamers have screwed musicians, now they are screwing motion picture crews. Both have to stop. And maybe the above the line super stars and their agents could consider a stipulation that makes sure crews are taken care of - even lower THEIR pay to make it happen.
Woah , whether it’s food , medicine or media . The top 1 percent’s greed is the same
Go on guys! Fight for your rights! The film industry has to change
This country is so far gone dude, like we have the fight to be able fucking eat lunch.
As someone working on getting into the film industry, this makes me anxious and worried. I can’t believe I’m making more at a grocery store than on set crew members
This is ridiculous! Making a movie is a team job and everyone in the team deserves to be treated with the same amount of respect. I produce my own independent films and, even with a super limited budget, one of my number one priorities is that everyone who is involved in the project feels good about being on set. When one is overtired and hungry it is a lot harder to deliver good work and collaborate in a productive way.
Wow, and I thought working in the steel mill for 10 hour shifts 6 days a week was tough. Thank you for making me realize how lucky I am leaving covered in coal dust every day. Falling asleep on a couch sounds horrible . The next time I do rail changes on a blast furnace I will remember how lucky I am to not be on a sunny film set in California .
Greek Actors face same problems as Live Streaming they don pay etc etc . Join the Unions ! all together we can do something !!! We stand with you !
Yup I've been there. Did a 32 hour shift once to complete an energy shield on time. I think it's not too much to ask of some of the most profitable companies in the world to have fair working schedules. Divorce rates are high, falling asleep at the wheel is common, burnout, nepotism, sexism, toxic men... all things we are forced to put up with to be "team players" (volunTOLD or you won't get a call back on the next one). The HODs and team leads are usually great people... it's just the corporate environment/schedule they are forced to lead a team in.
I stopped working on set for that. To be with my family and not die of exhaustion in the process. Keep up the strike!!
Having worked in Film. There is a ton of down time. There is mostly waisted time on film sets. I can remember sleeping on the set for hours to film one 12 second shot. Working from 7pm to 7am was the norm. But lots of down time.
Also why are the largest companies in the industry paying "new media rates" ... 20% off for """startups""" like Disney, Amazon, Paramount, Netflix... yeah those poor corporations really need a break!
On top of having to drive sleep deprived, a lot of these people have to drive home through Glendale making it extra dangerous.
Same thing in live events. Atrocious! I do know how it feels, work as live sound engineer, i did twice 48 hour shifts! And 20 hour is a norm. And all for love for music and people now it and use it.
You have nothing to lose but your chains.
Going into the 2010's I wasn't even crazy about the crew themselves, the content, the "talent", gaslighting, discrimination, some creepy experiences, etc. Even credited in one of the most beloved movies ever. But who really cares? About 2 years of the 18 years were good. Glad I left. Pure waste of energy. I miss the desire to see movies too.
Strike ✊🏻
Beautifully made. Sharing this. Thank you for all that you do.
Just take the money from actors/producers, or those who are “above the line” as that guy said
the actors and executives take more than they deserve
Wow… I used to work on blockbuster comicbook films, but it was only the last few weeks that became 12 hour days. However, when there were brutal long days over the weekend- they would pay extra for awesome catered lunches, and would order out during the evenings. We were well cared for at Sony Pictures.
This is effing nuts… I would NEVER put up with it and would have walked away in a couple weeks with my middle finger behind my back.
People are cared at Netflix and Amazon too. I am sure their rates have nothing to do with "new media" or Amazon or Netflix. Probably, as always, someone "in the middle" decided to cut the costs and pay them less. That's it.
@@peeeep766 Oh, yes, I totally forgot that NO two crews are the same. I’ve seen amazing production peeps (worked with them,, thank god), and then I have seen some production management crew you wonder how they ever graduated high school.
From what I am reading is that the streamers’ prodcudtions seem to pay less across the board. It probably those rogue production teams sucking the life out of people.
glad this has been given attention , most people would not have known this , may the force be with you all.
As a former VFX CG Monkey, I support you guys
Just pay these people or at the very least let them have their weekends and evenings.
After working in the industry, in Hollywood for 42 years, I'll say the toughest part has been working with these whiners. Maybe it's about time to ban soy milk.
1000% Support
I WORKED FOR 30 YEARS, AS A BOOM OP., NYC, AND WAS "IN", TOWER ONE, WHEN THE FIRST JET SLAMMED INTO IT. DON'T EVEN GET OUT OF BED FOR LESS THAN $500.00 U.S. PER DAY.
This video is fantastic, thank you for making this! -George, IA Local 871
I absolutely stand behind my film industry colleagues as they fight for basic, humane wages and working conditions. These issues cause so many incredibly talented people to burn out and leave every year.
Our jobs should not be an endurance trial. 4:00am call times and stale Red Vines should be the worst thing we have to put up with, not brutally slavish working conditions.
Good , Strike
Well guys… Girls… It’s simple to make this change. Strike! Everybody everybody walk out… They can’t make these movies without you. Everybody just has to agree that you’re walking out until not only the pay is fair but they cut the hours way way down.
It happens more than folks think!!especially for non union folks!!I A lot of people don't speak out for fear of being black balled, Or thought of as difficult to work with
In Ten years in Film, I;ve fallen asleep while driving and crashed my car travelling at 90kmph and I've Fainted/Collapsed on set twice.
This is not untypical for the industry.
I don't work in VFX but I KNOW VFX artists are treated like shit.
The VFX industry doesn't even have a formal union yet.
If our union workers are being treated this poorly, just IMAGINE how bad it is for VFX artists. VFX is literally the backbone of the industry at this point. EVERYTHING has VFX in it. If you're a VFX artist and you're reading this, know that you deserve better than sleeping on a fucking air mattress in an office 6 days a week.
Not trying to shit post. Working conditions in this industry have gotten WAAAAAAY out of hand for everybody.
Fully support you crew!!
Union Strong..........make it happen, folks.....
The thumbs down are Hulu, Disney, Amazon, netflix Etc.
You know what. Screw that. Ive worked 20 hour days and slept in the FX truck until my glovebox was full of cheques. And i love that there is still a few industries left that reward people for putting in hard work. I love working balls out for six months and taking the other six months off if I want. And you little babies are gonna come along and ruin it because you need instant gratification. A weekly life work balance. What are you going to build in your life with a free weekend? Now think about what you could accomplish in six months totally to yourself. Why aren’t you more ashamed of yourselves?
VFX and post production SUFFERS a lot as well. The amount of over time they do , UNPAID time I am talking about. They add up to 300+ hours a year easily.
Bring back the American Dream. Union Strong 💪🏽
Huh, my friends want to go to America because it's heaven on earth and people are treated with dignity.
Looks like everything is opposite.
WHAT ABOUT US SECURITY GUARD FOR THE SET'S! ITS HORRIBLE, 12-17 HOUR SHIFTS ALMOST DYING TO MAKE IT HOME! WE GET TREATED THE WORST AND PAID THE WORST ALSO! #NMFILM
Boohoo? I literally work every day without a lunch. Get an office job if you don’t like it.
Mabye these movie stars should be with the workers on there sets on this and support them instead of fakely acting like they are just like us while making millions
Well fed crew is happy crew, its like the first thing for me even as micro youtube producer. Probably its easy to say with super small productions but i thought food breake its like the least thing production have to give.
It’s a damn shame that people are treated this way. Why not share the wealth?
All powet to you guys.
How do I support this strike?
The best way that people outside the union can support the strike is to cancel their subscription services for the duration and encourage others to do so too. It sounds painful and hard, but next time you watch something, take a look at the long long list of people in the credits. Sit while they scroll by even when netflix tries to skip to the next episode and keep them invisible. Imagine how hard every single of those people work and how badly they are treated. If the subscribers take a stand too, it will send an important message to these services that the consumers care how they behave.
Solidarity from Local 16 SF! Canceled my netflix sub!
They were in breach of the contract in the first place. I’m sure. And the fact that your producers allowed this to happen is disgusting.
That is crazy you people are hard workers you need your breaks stand together don’t let them treat you like shit that is sad 😢 I never knew that they treated there workers so bad
Add Tyler Perry’s studio to list
Stand Strong!
I support this strike and would be willing to donate money to help these folks make due while striking. When one of us rises we all rise.
Gen z. Bring a sack of lunch. Grow up
These billionaires are dead wrong modern day slavery
This is why i make experimental film with 3 person crews. I think these people should ban together and make their own films.
Cancelling Netfix, Hulu, Disney. Their greed and lack of concern is astounding.
STAY ON STRIKE UNTIL THEY GIVE YOU WHAT YOU DESERVE!!!! UNION STRONG!!! ACTORS ARE NOT HEROS......WORKERS ARE!!!!! THEY CAN'T MAKE THEIR MONEY WITHOUT US !!!!!!!!! #GeneralStrikeNow
Actors are workers? That’s why they have a union? Notice there is not studio executive union?
It’s the company executives that are the are pocketing the money from grinding everyone on set to dust. They pay themselves first and do “Hollywood accounting“ before anyone else sees a dime.
Nicolas Cage and Sam Elliot understand this. Individually, they visited our ‘lowly’ visual effects crew. Came to our office place, went to dailes with all of us. And were interested in what we do, etc. etc. There are FEW in between.
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Sure hear a lot of crap involving amazon these days , , ,
Imagine how many tons of brick they'd have to eat if for all of sudden amazon customers didn't get their orders processed for 1 or 2 days in a row ? ? ?
Wouldn't it make sense to research an industry before you go into it?
GO GET 'EM KIDS!
Important video
To the people in positions higher than the minimum salary: It is simply sad to see that companies above a certain size continue to believe that they have to grow at any price. People in higher positions should perhaps think about whether the people around them and the culture and society around them are not more important than accumulating even more salary or wealth. In the end, it is the people around you with whom you spend special moments and they define your own story. You decide who is important to you and what your goals are. Most movies are about having to save the individual, why don't such entrepreneurs care about how their employees are doing? So the simple fact: Is my goal more money - or do I get more out of making people happy?
Why are you complaining???
I love meal penalties one time on the TV show Veep my meal penalties were way more than my check I absolutely love it.
Wage slavery.
If you work those long hours, at the very least pay them a lot more money. Then, their labor can be fruitful and they can save for retirement much easier. Working insane hours for 15 years straight beats working 50 plus years at 40 hours a week. Let these people at least enjoy having very well paid hours if you are to work them for long days.....
If they continue with those practices I'm sure it won't be long when this come and bite at their billionaire asses.
Heck if I can be a part of a cool production I will work it. Let's go I'll take a job