Yeah he’s the most genuinely interesting person I’ve seen thus far. Usually people try to sound smart and unique but you can tell he’s ACTUALLY smart and unique.
In my one semester of creative writing (poetry), we had to do peer criticism on everyone else's poems. And the method I ended up using was 1) What is it trying to do? 2) What tools is it using to accomplish that? 3) Are those tools being used well? 4) Are those the right tools, or would other tools serve the total meaning better? And 5) Did it accomplish what it was trying to do? This method saved me from a lot of "it made me feel" or "it sounded", especially since we were mostly all beginner writers. I also think I saved a lot of people time because the first sentence told them if I had "gotten" the poem or not, which then told them if the rest of the advice would be useful or not. And I kinda feel like those five questions would make a great introduction to objectivity. It forces you to look at what's there and how it's working like gears in a clock, with no room to talk about it not keeping time right or the clock face being scratched
Stealing those rules. It's a method I learned when studying art history, and I became pretty good at analysis but at the same time having it so eloquently shortened is very useful and you have my eternal thanks for that.
I feel like grasping this is also crucial for realizing how differing experiences of how "good" or "bad" something is is based on differing ideas of what was the piece intending to achieve or get through. Change any one of the conclusion from those steps, and you end up with a different idea of how well the assumed intention was achieved. I'm not saying public media like movies as art are tied to a singular intention that is "correct", but that so often it really does come down to the assumed (or preferred) intention of the art that defines the polarization of the more harshly differentiated opinions. I'm also not saying an average person sharing opinions on a piece of media has though all those steps through, but that quite explicitly and precisely _because_ they haven't and that this is exactly what might get drowed out in the conversation. It's kind of the difference between a shout match between the "thing good" and "thing bad" parties versus an informed application of media literacy in a conversation. In practice, when it comes to general public conversation rather than art critique specifically, you simply might expect to have the same premise for your opinion as your debater has, which is natural if you don't make sure to consider whether you're even talking about the value of something with the same measures with each other. How come we ended up with these conclusions that are this far apart from each other?
If you applied it to my art it would fail some of these 1) Idk I just like drawing 2) GIMP 3) Idk I was told I "didn't use all available tools that could make it much better" 4) It's picture so using other tool (program) might not matter that much 5) I don't really do it to accomplish anything but just for my own fun
@@realdragon 1) your art is trying to be fun 2) you are using color and lines and composition in a visual art 3) I haven't seen your work so i can't comment on implementation of how well you know and execute color and lines and composition 4) i dont know what generalized art style you are using (realistic, chibi, doodle, lisa frank, Saturday morning cartoon, ect) 5) Yeah, you had fun drawing it, it did what you wanted 👍👍
@@AammaK yeah, the whole reason i started using these was an in class critique where the teacher was telling a different student their poem was bad because it lacked a feeling of intimacy, while the student was telling them they were trying to convey detachment, and it was like watching the student argue at a wall because the teacher had the preconceived notion that All Poetry Is About Intimacy
my adhd brain is fucking buzzing, it is so so at home on your channel. i am extremely into the conversations you are having, extremely into how you are having them and how your mind works, and i am extremely into your eye make-up. cant wait to see more from you my guy.
@3g0st I also have adhd, and in my experience, our brains run incredibly fast and are constantly seeking new information, meaning we have a lot of brain time to think up ideas like this and because our brains are wired differently it’s hard for neurotypical people to catch our drift, so when we find someone like this that is the Captain of our drift it’s incredibly rewarding and reassuring, and the fast paced, often jumpy organization of the points gives our brains the exact kind and speed of new information it wants and we reach a point of balance that feels to us like that normal information processing feels like to neurotypicals, but because it’s so hard for us to meet those requirements it’s a much grander level of release and dopamine than when an neurotypical person matches their rate of input
@3g0st tldr anything that could be seen as over stimulating to most people is the desired level of stimulation for people with adhd and when we reach it (which is rare) it’s a huge dopamine rush
In high school, my orchestra teacher put this grand nuance into very simple words. There is a technical and then there is the emotional. The emotional is subjective and completely depends on connecting to the audience. The technical is what is deemed as impressive and pushing the skill the artist is performing to the next level. What is technically impressive is not always emotionally impressive. He emphasized that the difference between a good musician and a great musician isn't simply playing the piece how it's written. It's about being able to play beyond and emphasize how this song feels to play to the audience. When you aren't knowledgeable about how difficult it is to produce or perform a piece of art and you don't have that connection that they are trying to get or don't understand what the emotion or moral the piece is trying to get across, it is very hard to realize the positives of a particular artwork. This is where the great divide of critics and audiences begin and critics are looking for the technical, while audiences tend to look for entertainment. The phrase "it's so bad it's good" is a very good example of how varied a piece can be received by its audience.
"It's so bad it's good" is also a phrase often used to describe movies, but I haven't really heard it in regards to music, which makes sense - if a musician doesn't hit the notes, it's just painful to listen to. If a movie has a really weird color balance, or the dialogue is unnatural, or the actors can't convey their emotions, then that's something you can laugh about with friends. That's also what bad movies usually appear to do, be something you can connect over with other people - it sucks, everyone in the group agrees on that, but you can laugh about it.
@@lilia3944 also it takes sooooo much more time and energy to make a movie so someone(many people) had to care enough to make it which I think can make bad movies endearing
@@Littlebeth5657 that does depend on the music tho, if someone writes a bad symphony it's still a bad symphony, but likely took way more effort than, like, a single bad pop song.
@@lilia3944 uhhhhh, not true. Don't you know what outsider music is? It's highly influential among certain musicians. It's pretty cool, I love it. It's like ear candy.
When I was like 14 I LOVED Harry Potter, Doctor Who, Supernatural, Doctor Who etc. It consumed me to the level where I dedicated all my free time to these shows and books and movies. I knew everything there was to know about the lore and the actors and the writers. I was so immersed in these fandoms I felt I had a purpose. Now I'm 27. I haven't been passionate about anything, even the things I love, since I was maybe 18. Do I think its much more important to create a relationship with the art consumed than whether its good or bad? Yes. Do I deeply miss feeling alive when consuming art? All the fucking time dude
I feel you on this. My fandom participation continued well into adulthood, but then in 2016, I got a Real Job Or Whatever and stopped having free time or feeling obsessive passion for anything. (Or maybe the concurrent political shift was the cause of my apathy and anhedonia, which had always existed on some scale as a symptom of my lifelong chronic depression but became an unshakeable, constant presence from then til now). I like listening to CJ’s videos because they let me feel a ghost of that old joyful passion again.
How did you dare not exist one month prior and suddenly begin to make weekly profound and relevent video essays with no previous exposition and progression, like an UA-cam Marvelous Ladybug Show? Consider what this does to our collective expectation of UA-cam Creators. After marathoning all videos in one afternoon and learning that this is the product of one month, instead of one year, of content it's like the reversed expectation breaking of discovering your favourite sapphic couple is composed of a Gramma and her 12 yo granddaughter. Dismiss this, time is a construct and I gonna enjoy it as I perceive it. Do your work, be happy and thanks for all the recommendations.
@@cjthex I would also try to apply for fan citizenship, but my pandemic thirst would lead to some embarrassing variant on "I don't usually date dudes, but I would so love to mack on this bro," so, I'm just going to subscribe and hit the bell and appreciate this parasocial relationship in silence for a bit.
I really like "X is good, actually" better than "why X is bad" videos. There are art pieces I have little interest in actually consuming but I love hearing why they're important and relevant anyway. I hope you keep doing that!
Filmento is better than cinema wins or sins, because there’s the explanation of something is good. Also, I like to see why people think something that I like is good or bad. It’s interesting to see what is a “hard no” from others that, to me, gets a pass. Or get some perspective on why someone could like something I really don’t like.
I feel like accessibility is an often underrated component of art. Yes, you can trade it in to say more things or deeper things or add more nuance, but there is a real virtue in being able to appeal to a lay-person and say something to them.
I thought your hot and extremely spicey take was gonna be that stranger things is bad art because it has flashing lights despite that particular point easily being communicated some other way, that they made it bad art by scarificing accessibility to an aesthetic which would be a valid take i suppose,,, but what u said made a lot more sense than when my mind just came up with. So like is accessible art actually better or are u just gonna lose part of ur audience (because u put flashing lights in it and now they're having seizures)?
Problem with that is, accessibility as a standard is merely a collection of features that resemble a overarching concept of "the usual" or "the average", if what most people were used to and regularly exposed to was arthouse films, accessibility would relate to those, if most music the average person was exposed to was classical music it'd be hard rock or hip pop to be "not as accessible" instead of the other way around. The fact is that accessibility is a standard dictated merely by the status quo of media consumption, and actively aiming for that is not a good idea, however there are plenty of works of art that are both accessible and yet display great virtuousism, so treating the two as mutually exclusive is foolish, but that combination is still merely incidental, and treating accessibility in on itself as a quality is just as foolish.
@@marcogianesello6083 if two pieces of art can incite the same emotional weight, display an equal mastery of the form but one of them is so obscure it creates no emotion in half the audience or 90% of the audience or 99.9% of the audience it's less good as a piece of art than the one that is its equal but now accessible. It's not something that's completely perpendicular to quality, it's a type of quality. How you rate it against other things is up to you, but art is for everyone. You can understand and get more out of art by being a better audience and conversely art can engage more people by being better art.
@@jamesjwr well in that case then they are actually equal, and the accessibility allows one to be more "successful" than the other, but that doesn't make it "better" per se, because "better" as a term is fundamentally dependent on standards which transcend the singular personal experience, accessibility is the likelyhood of many people to have singular positive experiences with it, it's not something that exists independently of the people, now of coursr you could say that about every element of art but surely quality of cinematography for example is something that is inherent to the film, it's in the film itself, while accessibility is not something inherent to the film per se because it depends on the public, The godfather is a pretty accessible film compared to msny other films of such a level, yet I doubt it'd have much success with kids as it does with adults, so is that because it's not accessible? I wouldn't say so. If children's movies were more like the godfather just in terms of pace for instance, it would instantly become more "accessible" to that audience, so I strugglr with defining accessibility as a quintessential "quality" per se. Imagine a person who has never seen a film in their lives, you show them anything at all, to them no concept of accessibility applies, in that moment their experience is perfect because they have zero preconceived notions of what something is meant to be like, while elememts that are proper to the piece of art would still have an effect on that person even if they can't articulate how or what or why
@@marcogianesello6083 I think what they mean is "if you try to make an art piece for the general public but you make it so that only people with university degrees in art history or similar can understand it, an art piece with the same concept made in a way that the average everyday person with some sort of school education can understand is objectively better because it's accessible" or something like that. If your target audience is everyone, you have to be sure that you're actually making it for everyone. If your target audience is people with extensive knowledge about art then go ahead, accessibility to others is not a factor anymore because making is accessible would now alter the piece too much from its original concept. That's my take at least, OP can correct me if I'm wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As someone who absolutely adores The Last of Us Part II and absolutely abhors The Last Jedi, my feelings on this video are more confusing than my gender crisis.
As someone whose favorite Star Wars movie is TLJ, but thought TLoU2 was boring, I feel like I can just postpone my gender crisis by waiting for you to figure yours out and slapping "anti-" in front of whatever you come up with.
Those kinds of movies shouldn't be encouraged by your liking it dude. They only further contribute to the political and social polarisation of modern society
god, you're entertaining to listen to. discussing dense """"intellectual"""" topics and not sounding pretentious or being honestly kinda boring doesn't sound particularly easy.
*art:* an incredibly well-written and subversive masterpiece that's entertaining and calls out long--held biases in society and the reader/viewer/player *also art:* a fanfiction of this piece written by a 13yo wherein the characters experience; there was only one (1) bed; they were roommates; childhood friends to enemies to associates to friends to lovers; etc..
This honestly has no right being a UA-cam video. This feels exactly like a very well written and researched academic paper I could be reading for one of my classes, but better. My adhd is soaking this up and damn this is impressive. The way your brain works must be so exhausting but so fascinating I love it
"our identity is defined by our taste" hit me like a ton of bricks honestly. this is why my wardrobe is so jumbled with different styles and old clothes, i have identity issues and don't know how i want to present myself. damn man.
to some extent. not entirely. plus you can further subdivide 'taste' as a part of 'identity' into outward-facing/inward-facing taste - what art do you enjoy while you're alone? what art do you perform enjoyment of? how do those two things differ or overlap? I guess what I mean is that outward 'performed taste' is a subsection of a subsection of identity as a whole. and being unsure of the performance of yourself is not only a completely universal feeling, but shows that you're self-aware (generally a good thing!)
This is the single greatest horror media I've ever come across. Never have I ever been more scared than hearing the words "I just want someone to tell me that what I'm doing is good, but only I can approve me. Also I will die alone" It just puts all other horror media to shame.
people should learn to say "I like that" and "I don't like that" without making it a big fucking deal that is to say , seeing deeper things in media is not "bad" , it's actually a big part of the fun. it becomes wrong when it turns to such hatred that it ruins something for you. Chill
Sure, they can do that. But they miss the opportunity to observe the self-reflective "eureka" that comes when you realize that Shakespeare was right: nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so. When you observe beauty in the world, you're observing it in yourself. Who wouldn't want to stay with that for a minute?
That's well and good, but a lot of people unknowingly interpret criticism of their tastes as an attack on them as a person. Like if I said Star Wars the Rise of Skywalker sucks to my friend who really enjoyed it, they may not see that as me shitting on that movie in particular, but rather as me implying "you're stupid for liking it". Ideally we as human beings can see past that, but from my experience, a lot of people don't (even me from time to time)
@@gnarwhal7562 i tend to find frustrations with that myself, as someone else who doesn't like the star wars sequels. like, i do want to express why i don't like them, but if someone else happens to be a fan, i would feel bad for explaining myself just because people did that to me before with other things i liked. sometimes it's positive, like when you are inadvertently being turned into a capitalist moderate who is complicit with fascism by 2016 anti sjw youtube videos. other times, it is just sad. being technically good is not a prerequisite for enjoying something, nor should it be. we would all be miserable if that were the case.
mediocrity is the call of our age though... don't you ever feel like they are trying to fool you into this 'mediacrity?' art that is government propaganda or art that is a rich kid without talent but an expensive degree? What kind of art is real and authentic in this world of government pushed mediocrity? hmmmmm.... Maybe we should like art that is nonsense without reading the 20 page paper on it? Maybe art is just a word and you can call everything art but tat would be such a tarp. Matter people want to be artists but don't really have vision? How can anyone from an art school achieve vision when education from the art school has destroyed it?
"I think our experience of the universe has value. Even if it disappears forever." I've been waiting for someone to echo this sentiment and this was the perfect video for it. Subbed.
I am insignificant, and will very likely leave no lasting impact on the world outside whatever present joy and comfort I can bring into the lives of the small circle of people I interact with... and I am content and happy in that insignificance.
your content is literally so good?? like i cant explain how much it scratches the inch in the brain to see somebody explain and be knowledgable about things while also not seeming rly like? Too Smart for me to follow, and you still mix in humor to make it rly enjoyable
This is why, whenever someone complains to me about an art being "bad" or "low brow" or w.e I always try to opt for "well, that's just cause it wasnt made for you" It's a great way to start a dialogue about what makes someone think an art is "good" and most people are caught off guard by it and usually follow up with "I hadn't considered that" Everyone's the main character of their own story and we often forget other people are the main character of their own, as well
Most people NOT on the internet right? Because 90% of the time that line is met with elitism if not straight up casual racism and sexism depending on how insane the person is and/ or the situation. The person now finds a away degrade or look down on others who are essentially not them or don't share their point of view.
No.There is such thing as objectively bad. When you have hack directors, writers, actors who are only after profit and completely half ass everything and create a film based on a lazily half-assed written script, that's going to be an objectively BAD film.
I do art as a hobby. I recently made a character, my first real OC, who’s a weird blend of snake and dog. Her name is Slippery Joseph and I don’t care if she’s ugly, I love her. She doesn’t really add anything to the world, but I’m happy with her
@@chantalbellmont6937 this is very true. She’s fun to draw cause she’s not too complex a design. Even my mediocre ass can manage to draw her in more or less any situation and that’s nice
I literally can't get enough of people talking about the things they're passionate about. It's one of the purest forms of joy and it reminds me that not everything in life is awful. Anyways this was such a fun and informative video and I am excited to drink from your well of content
"We come to art for fun, for escapism, for shows of craft, to see ourselves reflected on the screen; we come for surprise, for life lessons, for Greek catharsis -- so when we don't like art, but we're not slipping into moral condemnation, there's something we want that we're not getting" Such an insightful point.
damn, it's 3am, i'm not native english speaker and i'm neurodivergent with audio processing issues so i'm kind of very lost watching this but i can't stop, he's way of expressing, the words, the speed feels good and entertaining and i could listen for hours. everything started with the cat valentine video, i couldn't believe i watched the whole video without rushing it, getting bored, watching the time stamp to see how much it is until it ends and it feels right, i vibe with the way he talks so much, so fast and the voices and facial expressions
I think a lot of art becomes “objectively bad” when it isn’t made with love or care. Even is something isn’t the best work I’ve enter seen, I can usually acknowledge that the people making it cared and that care shows. The same cannot be said for media produced for the sole sake of profit in many cases
Totally agree. I love when I see things that are obviously made by people who cared about what they were making, who had fun with it. Even when the thing they made is “flawed”.
@@CampingforCool41 exactly!!!! There’s so many things I see where I see the flaws but I love it wholeheartedly because I can see the artist was really passionate about making it and decided to share a piece of themselves
That’s a great point! i’ve been trying to put my finger on why i hated the new live action disney/sequels more than the old direct to dvd ones. and i think it’s because even though both are ‘objectively bad’, a lot of the older ones clearly had some passion behind them, like the masterpiece that is cinderella III: a twist in time
Man, I want to know the absolute God who is capable of making actual objectively bad art. Its sounds harder than making objectively good art. Like, imagine dedicating your life to making something transcendentally bad, *objectively* awful, but you keep fucking it up because every time you make something some weird asshole *loves* it.
Selling a blank canvas to a rich guy makes the entire world mad except for you and the rich guy because now you made a ton of cash and he gets to donate the new "priceless" art piece to a charity and get a massive tax write off, while essentially giving you a gift of cash in exchange for other illegal services you have provided and used art as a way to launder the money. That is art that is truly evil and actively harms society.
ua-cam.com/video/mQ8P4DNQA90/v-deo.html&ab_channel=wwwscorevideos It's interesting seeing how people have attempted to do this very thing in the past. It's also pretty funny seeing all the weird assholes in the comments who end up loving the song.
I don't think it'd be possible, outside of an incredibly controlled audience. Like, something tailored to be offensive to a singular individual. There's too many sheer subjective experiences for you to be able to draw upon something from your experiences and interpretation of "bad" to make something that's universally "bad". Make something hammy, it'd be lauded by the ironic, make something sheer frustration and noise, it'd resonate. I think the only way you could probably end up making something bad is either to put in a genuine effort, and fail spectacularly, or just to make nothing at all, which I suppose people might end up appreciating, given that you're trying to make "objectively bad" things.
here's my hot take: things don't have to be good. i'll listen to the worst fucking song in the world if there's a lyric that makes me feel like i got punched in the stomach. i have watched and enjoyed the star wars prequels multiple times cause there's good memes and i get gender envy for ewan mcgregor. sometimes things that are bad are good.
I mean the goal is to make enjoyable art, isn’t it? Maybe the artist intends for their art to be enjoyable one way but the fans they get enjoy it another. For example, people watching bad-funny movies like the Room. Or fans who dislike the creator but love the concept of their work just taking the reigns (in fan art, fan fiction, ect.). Or even just analyzing a piece of media to see what works and what doesn’t. I love criticism videos. I love “this [thing] was better than you remember” videos. I love theory videos. What I hate, however…. Is hating on people or whatever they decide to enjoy, however they decide to enjoy it (I mean, as long their method of enjoyment isn’t hurting anybody).
Sometimes the enjoyment of art comes not from its skill, quality, range, talent, message, or all the ways it excels, but from its humour, absurdity, failures and all the ways it falls short of its ambitions. Great art goes beyond its ability and/or expectations to excel and impress, good art achieves what it was aiming for, mediocre art fails to clear the bare minimum of its ambitions, and bad/terrible art hits the end of the bucket and goes "we can still go further" There are at least 5 ways to rate media/art (at least to me); technical quality, character/narrative quality, cinematography/art quality, is the movie good overall, and most importantly: Do YOU enjoy it? A movie can be a 9/10 across the board, but I could hate it, or it could be 1/10 across the board and be my favourite fckin movie. Something could have amazing characters or narrative, but be ugly as hell to look at + have terrible cinematography.
@@theonionqueen3519 i hate that song, listening at least. But it objectively hits all the marks, it's about a creepy fucking dude. That song gives me an anxiety attack
“we find it very difficult to say a piece of art is bad without saying it’s bad for society.” that’s so on point especially with how people react to new art movements
You are rapidly becoming one of my favourite media analysis channels. Such fantastic content. Incredibly eloquent, the humour is great, and the flow is quick and witty.
“i want them equipped and thoroughly intimate with the tools required to prove and perform their love” THIS so intensely, thank you for articulating that feeling. it hurts when i love or hate something and can’t articulate why at first
I like your articulate, smart take on things along with your unapologetic attitude, and after a hard day and people just... being people.... it's wonderful to sit and listen to a brilliant arguement by someone you can suspend disbelief and think of as a friend. It's.... the shit. I'll drink to that.
Video essaying can be good art. This is like Pollock with words. I don’t actually know if that is a compliment or not. The editing seems to be free jazz. The pipe makes CJ look like a beatnik on acid. Psychedelic academia. Its my first dose. Will subscribe.
i have legitimately rewatched this twelve times at least since it dropped and each time I find something new that captivates and invigorates me. CJ you are my sole muse.
this is the most chaotic i think you've ever been in a video and i'm so here for it. i love how this turned out and i'm obsessed w these earrings. cannot want to drink more from your well of content
I would also be so curious what you think of criticism of Christian storytelling (movies/books) as "objectively bad," partly because I'm someone who has thought it in the past. Even when I was still a Christian, 90% of the books I read and films were frustrating to experience as someone who always wanted to write my own stories. I also know there is a lot of videos discussing how this or that Christian movie is objectively bad.
I remember that, even back when I was Christian, I hated reading Christian books because the big climax was always "Yay, Jesus! Hey, remember how he forgave you bc you're a piece of shit?". Same with music. It's all boils down to the same blob.
@@ToastyJunebugs omg yes. There was a middle grade book series I was intrigued by when I was younger where the protagonist would get visions from God that she would interpret to help detectives solve crimes or something, I can't quite remember. But I realized as I was reading the first one that the opposition to her visions was nonexistent in the first book. Anyone who questioned her would be easily swayed, and that was rare to find because police/detectives would take her word at face value. Even middle school me thought that was garbage and dropped the series immediately. Edit: here's me calling it garbage when the whole video was arguing against evaluating art that way lol!
I would love this! I'm Christian and I HATE the movies (we all know the embarrassing failure of the God's not dead series). These movies always shame everyone and their beliefs/culture if they're not Christian, even going as far as to villian-ize them. It's very frustrating to see as our message is supposed to be one of love.
Finally I found a person who speaks just as fast as I do while giving articulated opinions on culture no one asked for. This was so entertaining and well-researched! (Why am I excited to see bibliography attached to videos like what is wrong with me).
Haha we might make good friends! I tend to watch videos at 1.something times speed. Nothing wrong with you for enjoying a well-cited video! It adds accountability and lets you follow up on interesting things the creator mentions
That bibliography was a flex! I need him to posts it. And him speaking so fast in all his videos while being deeply profound and also hilarious is next level. My brain can't even think this fast!
i have never had someone describe the feeling of my brain when processing abstract & complex ideas like you did at the end of this video and i just realised why the pacing and busyness of your videos feels so perfect to me ,, it really is brain trying to articulate the complexities of unbelievably complex things
I came here cuz I thoroughly enjoy your brother’s channel and he mentioned you one time. I’m gonna subscribe to your channel and go thank your brother now. I don’t know if it’s nature or nurture or Canada…but you are both incredibly talented communicators. I deeply appreciate your ability to use language, humor, and the edit to articulate complex ideas of artistic expression as it relates to the human condition. Your appreciation of the creativity and the beauty found in art is infectious Also, your ability to appreciate something Jordan Peterson says is such a clear sign of honest intellectual empathy. Your ability to see nuance and beauty in his words is refreshing.
Just wanna say as a fellow Christian, really encouraged by you expanding what culture (esp American culture) defines to be Christian. I’ve been binge watching your vids all day stuck in quarantine and hearing that you were Christian just really made it. Thanks for your existence yo
Yeah we do have a weird idea in the US about what it means to be Christian, don't we? Like if you actually read the damn book and look at how it's been interpreted throughout history, we take a lot for granted. Maybe that's a european influence, maybe it has something to do with the country being founded by religious radicals, I don't know. I like to think about Jelly Roll's version of Jesus, who in his mind would be on the side of prostitutes, addicts, and all the rejects of society. It's Christianity for the white trash as well as the suburbanite. It's the acknowledgment that god is on your side even if you're poor.
There's a few of these folks, I'm also thinking of Hank Green here. They're pretty cool, but unfortunately still the minority. I'm very much an apostate but I wish you guys best of luck! I know that it's a big ask, but I hope that people like these can, in some small gradual way, change the institution from the inside.
Laura Bailey is a genuinely sweet, smart, lovely person (or appears to be to her audience and is according to people who actually know her but admittedly are also pandering to a shared audience) and excellent actor (subjective opinion expressed as objective fact). She didn’t deserve all the hatred, vitriol, and fuckin death threats and threats to her child that she got over TLOU2. And that would still be true even if nothing I stated in the first sentence was fact. (Also, yes, I am just commenting on minor points of each video to give the algorithm its required engagement because I enjoy your content and would like to see more of it.)
English teacher here, and in my class at least, our working definition of the purpose "to entertain" can be broken down as "to tell a story/narrative, or to convey an emotion".
Holy shit, how did you make the EXACT argument that has been kicking around in my brain forever?! This is such an excellent, articulate essay. I’m definitely subscribing.
Here's a case about objectivity in art: Assume you and your roommate are trying to decide what color to paint a wall in your house. Your favorite wall color is blue, their favorite wall color is also blue. With that in mind, you can now decide that the color you wanna paint the wall is blue. Does that make the color blue *objectively* the best color? No, of course not, but because all the subjects of the question what color to paint the wall, subjectively agree that blue is their favourite color, you can now treat the color blue as a semi objective best color on this subjective plane of 2 people making a decision together. Same goes for everything. No, art cannot be objectively good or bad, but there are things most or even all people find beautiful, like effort and thought being put into a piece and because we're only deciding the value of the art on the subjective plane of our human experience of the world, we can treat stuff that all humans(or at least most, it's hard with all because of genetic mutations and stuff there's always people whose experience of reality is so fundamentally different from the neurotypical one, that this judgment doesn't apply to them) would see as bad as if it were objectively bad
i’ve started having the mindset that i don’t have good taste in art, and whenever i like something that’s objectively ‘good’ it’s a coincidence. i find it really freeing to not have to care about whether the things i like are ‘good’ or not. my bar of quality for a piece of media is: do i enjoy it? if yes, then it’s good in my book
I'm interested in what you said, I have always been insecure about my taste in music. How can people not hear what I hear in this? How can I mot hear what everyone else hears in that? I think there's many factors at play here, but my opinion is trending towards the idea of music being like food. Junk food is more pleasurable to eat but it isn't satiating like healthy food. It takes self control to appreciate the richer taste of the healthy food instead of going straight foe unhealthy food when you're hungry. I think music is the same way.
“If I never sought experiences outside of my comfort zone I’d still be 13 in the back of the school bus being bullied while listening to I got a feeling on an iPod shuffle on repeat.” Bro I’ve never been so called out before in my life sammmmeeee, I love your videos man. Incredibly interesting and you are very well spoken I love your makeup ♥️♥️♥️
that last bit about holding all the thoughts in your brain is extremely relatable, the feeling that you're gonna forget it all or mess something up and lose a piece of it and it'll not be as good as it could be. also, excellent video!
I keep on coming back to this video, both literally and rewatching it and also randomly bringing it up in convos about art and in my own head when I’m thinking about art; it really does get my brain going, thank you so much for making it
Speaking of acquired taste. Being a speedy boi my whole life and having this deep deep hole and adhd too, i was constantly curious and i just had this insatiable thirst to consume media. And the more you consume, the more weird and depraved and ugly and - out of there - media you seek and desire. My taste in music mirrors a slow descent into madness - because of how much i just started listening to new stuff that was more and more experimental. An art gallery where my friend was working as a curator had a little white poster that just had this written on it : "Art does not owe you beauty”. This resonated with me and i understood it, being freaky because i was dropped as a baby - i had a weird connection with everything that could be labeled as "alternative" and experimental. My own headcanon about art, that i formed on my own before even getting to actually learn art history in my art scool - i legit believed that art is just like existence itself, but we see it through a different medium - or it has to be surrounded or encased in something. Basically, like a periscope that can show us a altered perception of whatever the artist had in focus for a particular piece. My point here being that we are kinda gatekeeping this, but how much is intentional ? I had friends who were artists like me and they cheered when football hooligans trashed a gallery that hosted a alternate comic art group that is famous in the underground circles in my country. One of those comic artists has worked with Jodorovsky a lot - Zoran Janjetov. But his friend had a comic for ants where a child was being stabbed with a knife. This reads like oooh aaah not the childe - but for real has been a doodle and small for a reason and ive drawn worse (and seen much worse on deviantart) - and was also drawn specifically to allude to domestic violence in my country. And this pissed of a group of drug dealing vandal hooligans who are basically in the pocket of our clepto-idiocratic goverment - they just came overnight and royally smashed the gallery - and of course our politicians and our priests gave them medals for their bravery. And my problem here is not with the hooligans or our politicians. Its very funny how this was very similar to how the painting - Who's Afraid of Red, Yellow, and Blue III - got vandalized and cut up with a box cutter. I mean, i said we are both a cleptocracy and idiocracy. The irony is lost on these chucklefucks and this is in my country the natural order of things - and we are all bored of it and used to it. What hurt me the most was to see how much there was... Well just about everything you said in your video plus a general disdain for post modern contemporary art because grug no like aert not pretty grug smash and shidd pantsu. We sat through the same art classes and listened to the same inspiring stories and also - im pretty sure that we all got the same instructions on how to art. You said at the very beggining - i have no intention to argue with someone who knows squat about media literacy, and yes thats what im saying. Dissapointed in artists, then imagine if they just suck so much - how much are the regular folk completely lost in interpretation, and then you get conservatives who want to change laws and get crowds with torches on the streets and so on and so on. I seen countless of these rants where people dont even mention that they read the curators or the artists description of a art piece - when they see somethign in a gallery - or much much worse - when they see something online (this is much much worse because online you can find so much info about a particular piece). Just imagine recreating that first dadaist art exibit that had the famous - the urinal of all evil that started it all. And then you sit back and wait for conservatives to come and basically react to it in the same way the fist nazis did. "Bad art of dada" was bad by choice to literally make some people cope and seethe - but not for shits and giggles, but to force their hand. To test them like a sly little art social experiment - so that the whole world can see how they react - because if they get angry at it, then they become half of the art piece themselves - and also out themselves as people who love to shout MIGHT MAKES RIGHT - while meanwhile being intimidated and paranoid that their children will become gay because of the evil librurl art - and that their whole ideology will crumble and fall because someone just cant stop eating shit as a part of a visual performance called - artists likes eating shit. If you feel threatened by art , if you get so offended that you think that - the west will fall because of this - thats on you. And that is not might or right or strong out of you and a real ubermensch would not let himself be moved by such petty degeneracy.
Off topic but the thing that strangely excites me the most is when a you tuber uses music from a game or show that I like. It immediately warms me up to the person.
"I'm not satisfied, viewer, with you just liking stuff, I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHY YOU LIKE IT!" That seems to be my life's goal to most of my peers. instant sub!
I think I need like 3-5 business days to process every chapter in this video. Amazing, love it, really thought provoking. Maybe too thought provoking it might give me a stroke if I try to come to grips with every concept in here in a single day. I feel like after the video i'm simultaneously moving forward in understanding art, regressing, standing still and I'm gonna die
@@amazintr3266 nope! I acknowledge it's a flawed movie and clunky in parts, but the concepts and story devices that work for me are some of my favorite.
@@ewwpoorpeople5684 lol I'm fine with controversial. The movie works well for me and not others and I'm fine with that. Mostly I just wish other people could see what I love about it, but I understand it's a difference of taste. Like my hot take: I love when older heroes are shown to be extremely flawed and even bitter because of the aftermath of their heroism in their youth. It's a trope that sells me every time, so this is the only time Luke has ever resonated with me as a character. But I also know most people hate seeing Luke in that form.
Omg, this channel is a gold mine. It surprises me that I am still able to follow you even when you speak so fast. It surprises me that you are still able to have sentence conciseness even with how much speak. Great job!
So I’m a music student at uni. Before I went to uni I didn’t really give a shit about other art forms, all I really cared about was music. But then one of my lecturers did a lesson on Impressionism in music and how it relates to Impressionism in visual art and I was absolutely fascinated by it and since then I’ve realised the more time you spend thinking about art, the more you love it and realise the meanings behind art that you’ve previously brushed off as shit and meaningless
The way you described how much joy there is to experiencing and creating art hit me right in my soul. As well as why it's great to look closely at the art you love and hate to understand why you do so. It actually helped me realize why I keep comong back to games like Max Payne and Devil May Cry 1, wishing I loved them as much as others: because I want to understand them and why people love them.
The most refreshing hot take on Peterson. Confronted with ideas I'm surprised to find it cathartic to admit to agreeing to, releaved to be free of that feeling of childish guilt. and good to see so many fellow ADHD's.
Consider instead: you're wrong because i say so. Nah but this was such a lovely vid! You have such an engaging and interesting story telling style. I can't wait to drink from the well of content again in the future
I love the line you draw between moral outrage over art being indicative of "societal degeneracy" and fans' self-righteous fervor that their favorite properties have been "disrespected and desecrated."
this is now the fifth video I’ve seen that has served as a definitive turning point for me in my slow, bitter divorce with rational materialism, and I want to personally thank you for making this available when I really, really needed to see it.
So you just sit there and eloquently convert mental back-and-forth concepts into succinct words in a quick and cohesive manner with a large side dish of humor?? Absolutley incredible.
"If you are not a sexist, white supremacist, transphobic, colonialist pundit... but all your fans think you are and fucking love it, your intentions cease to be of significance." That goes hard. It be like if Marx wrote at the end of Das Kaptial "by the way guys, I'm not a communist. If that's the impression you got from all my writings, you've completely misinterpreted me."
I feel like I could spend a solid hour trying to convey the sheer felicity that ran through me with the statement "nothing is real and God is trans". Objectivity fucks and so does this video. Top to bottom. Phenomenal work my dude
yeah but god isn't trans, its very clear in scripture god is a man, a father, a patriarch. Christ is referred to as Son of God, the church is the Bride of Christ , Christ is referred to as the Bridegroom. there isn't any ambiguity. The genderless, hands off, mechanic of the universe is a Gnostic heresy which was condemned by the apostolic church fathers over a thousand years ago. good luck on your path to truth! beware heresy, it's everywhere. god bless 🙏
I would argue that Twilight is actually harmful because it paints toxic relationships in a positive light and makes young readers think that kind of behavior is okay. Many teenagers, particularly young women, stayed in abusive relationships for a long time because they thought their partners acted the way they did out of love. Granted, that isn’t Twilight’s fault alone; our media is steeped in this philosophy, but I am saying that Twilight contributed to the problem and spread it to a younger audience. Anyway, let me get off my soapbox. Hope you all have a nice day!
Absolutely, but there are countless movies that also romanticize and validate creepy relationship dynamics form a male perspective that didn't receive nearly as much backlash - probably in part because the main audience isn't teenage girls - I'l direct you to "stalking for love, the video by pop culture detective for countless examples of this. The critic is valid, but it becomes counterproductive when it contributes to a general hostility to teen girls and young women whom this particular objection is meant to protect - when it crosses the lines from: "this movie encourages a bad thing" to "this movie is bad, and you're bad/stupid for liking it". It might be better to identify and criticize the same tendencies in more acclaimed media for instance - but of course it's harder to dunk on good art - or even just mediocre art that doesn't have the same level of memefied badness.
I just wanted to hop in and wonder if commenters realized this was one of the bullet points, about art being bad because of its perceived immoral content Glad yall are discussing at any rate! I think it's very helpful to be aware of pathological romance environments
I like you. Because... objectively you are useful in terms of education, intellectual and emotional stimulation and, most importantly, aesthetic beauty. And because I studied philosophy and what you‘re saying is pleasantly tickling my more and more neglected academic brain. So you get my [STAMP OF APPROVAL].
These vibes are immaculate and the last five minutes were extremely cathartic because every time I try to talk to my mom about WHY I like something she gets annoyed because she thinks I'm overthinking things and that means I don't like anything but bruv *that's just how I love shit if I'm not thinking about it then how can I say I love it deeply.*
As an artist I'm impressed with your eloquence and nuance.
As a physical therapist I'm impressed with how many ways you've found to sit in one chair.
he's gay
@@TomWonderful gays, we just can't sit straight.
@@Ab1g4il I’m screaming lmaooooo it’s true tho
He is sitting in gay
Nice last name lmao
Art sucks, I love it
this is the tl;dr for the video
Love hate relationship with art here
I hate art it’s awesome
You're an extremely interesting and compelling thinker and talented, clear, and entertaining communicator. Extremely impressed. Subscribed!
Yeah he’s the most genuinely interesting person I’ve seen thus far. Usually people try to sound smart and unique but you can tell he’s ACTUALLY smart and unique.
Im so glad I found this channel tbh
I agree!
Lotta words. All true
I couldn't have said it better myself. No, really.
"i let jesus into my heart and he turned me into an anarcho-communist gender-confused ideologue who likes to say fuck" man i vibe with this so much
Me too!
Jesus was an anarcho-communist based on the actual text of the bible, but the ideologues don’t like to engage with those parts of the bible.
honestly sometimes CJ is right but those cringe takes just disgust me
me too
@@szefszefow7562 cope
In my one semester of creative writing (poetry), we had to do peer criticism on everyone else's poems. And the method I ended up using was 1) What is it trying to do? 2) What tools is it using to accomplish that? 3) Are those tools being used well? 4) Are those the right tools, or would other tools serve the total meaning better? And 5) Did it accomplish what it was trying to do?
This method saved me from a lot of "it made me feel" or "it sounded", especially since we were mostly all beginner writers. I also think I saved a lot of people time because the first sentence told them if I had "gotten" the poem or not, which then told them if the rest of the advice would be useful or not.
And I kinda feel like those five questions would make a great introduction to objectivity. It forces you to look at what's there and how it's working like gears in a clock, with no room to talk about it not keeping time right or the clock face being scratched
Stealing those rules. It's a method I learned when studying art history, and I became pretty good at analysis but at the same time having it so eloquently shortened is very useful and you have my eternal thanks for that.
I feel like grasping this is also crucial for realizing how differing experiences of how "good" or "bad" something is is based on differing ideas of what was the piece intending to achieve or get through. Change any one of the conclusion from those steps, and you end up with a different idea of how well the assumed intention was achieved. I'm not saying public media like movies as art are tied to a singular intention that is "correct", but that so often it really does come down to the assumed (or preferred) intention of the art that defines the polarization of the more harshly differentiated opinions. I'm also not saying an average person sharing opinions on a piece of media has though all those steps through, but that quite explicitly and precisely _because_ they haven't and that this is exactly what might get drowed out in the conversation. It's kind of the difference between a shout match between the "thing good" and "thing bad" parties versus an informed application of media literacy in a conversation. In practice, when it comes to general public conversation rather than art critique specifically, you simply might expect to have the same premise for your opinion as your debater has, which is natural if you don't make sure to consider whether you're even talking about the value of something with the same measures with each other. How come we ended up with these conclusions that are this far apart from each other?
If you applied it to my art it would fail some of these
1) Idk I just like drawing
2) GIMP
3) Idk I was told I "didn't use all available tools that could make it much better"
4) It's picture so using other tool (program) might not matter that much
5) I don't really do it to accomplish anything but just for my own fun
@@realdragon 1) your art is trying to be fun 2) you are using color and lines and composition in a visual art 3) I haven't seen your work so i can't comment on implementation of how well you know and execute color and lines and composition 4) i dont know what generalized art style you are using (realistic, chibi, doodle, lisa frank, Saturday morning cartoon, ect) 5) Yeah, you had fun drawing it, it did what you wanted 👍👍
@@AammaK yeah, the whole reason i started using these was an in class critique where the teacher was telling a different student their poem was bad because it lacked a feeling of intimacy, while the student was telling them they were trying to convey detachment, and it was like watching the student argue at a wall because the teacher had the preconceived notion that All Poetry Is About Intimacy
Me, an art student, having a manic episode at a party after three glasses of wine:
When the dube hits just right :
@@garethharriott9582 ahaaa quite literally
@@garethharriott9582 Jesus i didn't know i would find that so relatable hahaha
Moodt
Well, does it fuck?
I lost all my braincells on tiktok, I will have to watch this twice
i watched it at 0.75 speed
@@dianadriver I watched it on 2x speed
how many is that?
i will have to take notes to map out what the fuck hes saying lol
me too
my adhd brain is fucking buzzing, it is so so at home on your channel. i am extremely into the conversations you are having, extremely into how you are having them and how your mind works, and i am extremely into your eye make-up. cant wait to see more from you my guy.
Came to say this!!!!
Same
@3g0st I also have adhd, and in my experience, our brains run incredibly fast and are constantly seeking new information, meaning we have a lot of brain time to think up ideas like this and because our brains are wired differently it’s hard for neurotypical people to catch our drift, so when we find someone like this that is the Captain of our drift it’s incredibly rewarding and reassuring, and the fast paced, often jumpy organization of the points gives our brains the exact kind and speed of new information it wants and we reach a point of balance that feels to us like that normal information processing feels like to neurotypicals, but because it’s so hard for us to meet those requirements it’s a much grander level of release and dopamine than when an neurotypical person matches their rate of input
@3g0st tldr anything that could be seen as over stimulating to most people is the desired level of stimulation for people with adhd and when we reach it (which is rare) it’s a huge dopamine rush
Gosh I just found him and he is SO good for my poor adhd addled head
In high school, my orchestra teacher put this grand nuance into very simple words. There is a technical and then there is the emotional. The emotional is subjective and completely depends on connecting to the audience. The technical is what is deemed as impressive and pushing the skill the artist is performing to the next level. What is technically impressive is not always emotionally impressive. He emphasized that the difference between a good musician and a great musician isn't simply playing the piece how it's written. It's about being able to play beyond and emphasize how this song feels to play to the audience. When you aren't knowledgeable about how difficult it is to produce or perform a piece of art and you don't have that connection that they are trying to get or don't understand what the emotion or moral the piece is trying to get across, it is very hard to realize the positives of a particular artwork. This is where the great divide of critics and audiences begin and critics are looking for the technical, while audiences tend to look for entertainment. The phrase "it's so bad it's good" is a very good example of how varied a piece can be received by its audience.
"It's so bad it's good" is also a phrase often used to describe movies, but I haven't really heard it in regards to music, which makes sense - if a musician doesn't hit the notes, it's just painful to listen to. If a movie has a really weird color balance, or the dialogue is unnatural, or the actors can't convey their emotions, then that's something you can laugh about with friends.
That's also what bad movies usually appear to do, be something you can connect over with other people - it sucks, everyone in the group agrees on that, but you can laugh about it.
@@lilia3944 also it takes sooooo much more time and energy to make a movie so someone(many people) had to care enough to make it which I think can make bad movies endearing
@@Littlebeth5657 that does depend on the music tho, if someone writes a bad symphony it's still a bad symphony, but likely took way more effort than, like, a single bad pop song.
YES. Thats why I frequently say "X is the best song on the album, but Y is my favorite song on the album."
@@lilia3944 uhhhhh, not true. Don't you know what outsider music is? It's highly influential among certain musicians. It's pretty cool, I love it. It's like ear candy.
When I was like 14 I LOVED Harry Potter, Doctor Who, Supernatural, Doctor Who etc. It consumed me to the level where I dedicated all my free time to these shows and books and movies. I knew everything there was to know about the lore and the actors and the writers. I was so immersed in these fandoms I felt I had a purpose. Now I'm 27. I haven't been passionate about anything, even the things I love, since I was maybe 18. Do I think its much more important to create a relationship with the art consumed than whether its good or bad? Yes. Do I deeply miss feeling alive when consuming art? All the fucking time dude
Try shrooms and listen to stuff
Youll see that it has not disappeares from you, simply you need to unlock the traps of reason and self induced apathy
Or maybe its called growing adult sort of
I feel you on this. My fandom participation continued well into adulthood, but then in 2016, I got a Real Job Or Whatever and stopped having free time or feeling obsessive passion for anything. (Or maybe the concurrent political shift was the cause of my apathy and anhedonia, which had always existed on some scale as a symptom of my lifelong chronic depression but became an unshakeable, constant presence from then til now).
I like listening to CJ’s videos because they let me feel a ghost of that old joyful passion again.
I think it's hard to recapture that obsessive passion. But I have definitely found works of art that affect me as much.
How did you dare not exist one month prior and suddenly begin to make weekly profound and relevent video essays with no previous exposition and progression, like an UA-cam Marvelous Ladybug Show? Consider what this does to our collective expectation of UA-cam Creators. After marathoning all videos in one afternoon and learning that this is the product of one month, instead of one year, of content it's like the reversed expectation breaking of discovering your favourite sapphic couple is composed of a Gramma and her 12 yo granddaughter. Dismiss this, time is a construct and I gonna enjoy it as I perceive it. Do your work, be happy and thanks for all the recommendations.
what Io Selene said
OH MY GOD I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS SO RECENT UNTIL I READ THIS COMMENT TF???? HIS BRAIN RLY CONFOUNDS ME
I found this comment funny, looked at his channel, noticed the short time between each videos and went "how dare he"
@@cjthex I would also try to apply for fan citizenship, but my pandemic thirst would lead to some embarrassing variant on "I don't usually date dudes, but I would so love to mack on this bro," so, I'm just going to subscribe and hit the bell and appreciate this parasocial relationship in silence for a bit.
Marvelous ladybug show omfg I'm dying
I really like "X is good, actually" better than "why X is bad" videos. There are art pieces I have little interest in actually consuming but I love hearing why they're important and relevant anyway. I hope you keep doing that!
Ah a fellow Lindsay Ellis fan.
Also, Cinema Wins >> Cinema Sins.
Really That Good is a, um, good one of those
Reminds me of the mantra "it's easier to write a sad song than a happy one"
Filmento is better than cinema wins or sins, because there’s the explanation of something is good.
Also, I like to see why people think something that I like is good or bad. It’s interesting to see what is a “hard no” from others that, to me, gets a pass. Or get some perspective on why someone could like something I really don’t like.
I feel like accessibility is an often underrated component of art. Yes, you can trade it in to say more things or deeper things or add more nuance, but there is a real virtue in being able to appeal to a lay-person and say something to them.
I thought your hot and extremely spicey take was gonna be that stranger things is bad art because it has flashing lights despite that particular point easily being communicated some other way, that they made it bad art by scarificing accessibility to an aesthetic which would be a valid take i suppose,,, but what u said made a lot more sense than when my mind just came up with. So like is accessible art actually better or are u just gonna lose part of ur audience (because u put flashing lights in it and now they're having seizures)?
Problem with that is, accessibility as a standard is merely a collection of features that resemble a overarching concept of "the usual" or "the average", if what most people were used to and regularly exposed to was arthouse films, accessibility would relate to those, if most music the average person was exposed to was classical music it'd be hard rock or hip pop to be "not as accessible" instead of the other way around. The fact is that accessibility is a standard dictated merely by the status quo of media consumption, and actively aiming for that is not a good idea, however there are plenty of works of art that are both accessible and yet display great virtuousism, so treating the two as mutually exclusive is foolish, but that combination is still merely incidental, and treating accessibility in on itself as a quality is just as foolish.
@@marcogianesello6083 if two pieces of art can incite the same emotional weight, display an equal mastery of the form but one of them is so obscure it creates no emotion in half the audience or 90% of the audience or 99.9% of the audience it's less good as a piece of art than the one that is its equal but now accessible. It's not something that's completely perpendicular to quality, it's a type of quality. How you rate it against other things is up to you, but art is for everyone. You can understand and get more out of art by being a better audience and conversely art can engage more people by being better art.
@@jamesjwr well in that case then they are actually equal, and the accessibility allows one to be more "successful" than the other, but that doesn't make it "better" per se, because "better" as a term is fundamentally dependent on standards which transcend the singular personal experience, accessibility is the likelyhood of many people to have singular positive experiences with it, it's not something that exists independently of the people, now of coursr you could say that about every element of art but surely quality of cinematography for example is something that is inherent to the film, it's in the film itself, while accessibility is not something inherent to the film per se because it depends on the public, The godfather is a pretty accessible film compared to msny other films of such a level, yet I doubt it'd have much success with kids as it does with adults, so is that because it's not accessible? I wouldn't say so. If children's movies were more like the godfather just in terms of pace for instance, it would instantly become more "accessible" to that audience, so I strugglr with defining accessibility as a quintessential "quality" per se. Imagine a person who has never seen a film in their lives, you show them anything at all, to them no concept of accessibility applies, in that moment their experience is perfect because they have zero preconceived notions of what something is meant to be like, while elememts that are proper to the piece of art would still have an effect on that person even if they can't articulate how or what or why
@@marcogianesello6083 I think what they mean is "if you try to make an art piece for the general public but you make it so that only people with university degrees in art history or similar can understand it, an art piece with the same concept made in a way that the average everyday person with some sort of school education can understand is objectively better because it's accessible" or something like that. If your target audience is everyone, you have to be sure that you're actually making it for everyone. If your target audience is people with extensive knowledge about art then go ahead, accessibility to others is not a factor anymore because making is accessible would now alter the piece too much from its original concept.
That's my take at least, OP can correct me if I'm wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As someone who absolutely adores The Last of Us Part II and absolutely abhors The Last Jedi, my feelings on this video are more confusing than my gender crisis.
I love TLoU2 and think TLJ was the best of the new trilogy. People do not like my opinion.
@@hollandscottthomas I 50% hate you.
As someone whose favorite Star Wars movie is TLJ, but thought TLoU2 was boring, I feel like I can just postpone my gender crisis by waiting for you to figure yours out and slapping "anti-" in front of whatever you come up with.
@@hollandscottthomas i do like your opinion because I think the same
Those kinds of movies shouldn't be encouraged by your liking it dude. They only further contribute to the political and social polarisation of modern society
god, you're entertaining to listen to. discussing dense """"intellectual"""" topics and not sounding pretentious or being honestly kinda boring doesn't sound particularly easy.
*art:* an incredibly well-written and subversive masterpiece that's entertaining and calls out long--held biases in society and the reader/viewer/player
*also art:* a fanfiction of this piece written by a 13yo wherein the characters experience; there was only one (1) bed; they were roommates; childhood friends to enemies to associates to friends to lovers; etc..
Yes! And ow, childhood friends to enemies. Like, I want to find a story that fits that, but noooooo my heart
Oh my god, they were roommates
@@yuuri9064 Phoenix Wright fits
@@НаталияРгмрлтло less enemies, more rivals
truth
This honestly has no right being a UA-cam video. This feels exactly like a very well written and researched academic paper I could be reading for one of my classes, but better. My adhd is soaking this up and damn this is impressive. The way your brain works must be so exhausting but so fascinating I love it
There are some actually good video essays out there on youtube, this is the easiest platform to release them
It's so nice having a creator on UA-cam I don't feel the need to turn the speed up on
"our identity is defined by our taste" hit me like a ton of bricks honestly. this is why my wardrobe is so jumbled with different styles and old clothes, i have identity issues and don't know how i want to present myself. damn man.
I am being targeted by this comment
to some extent. not entirely. plus you can further subdivide 'taste' as a part of 'identity' into outward-facing/inward-facing taste - what art do you enjoy while you're alone? what art do you perform enjoyment of? how do those two things differ or overlap?
I guess what I mean is that outward 'performed taste' is a subsection of a subsection of identity as a whole. and being unsure of the performance of yourself is not only a completely universal feeling, but shows that you're self-aware (generally a good thing!)
i am in this comment and i don't like it
Literally me 😐
@@ashton1860 I really appreciate this take!! that's all I wanted to say, I just enjoyed reading that and I like the way you think. very solid
This is the single greatest horror media I've ever come across. Never have I ever been more scared than hearing the words "I just want someone to tell me that what I'm doing is good, but only I can approve me. Also I will die alone" It just puts all other horror media to shame.
people should learn to say "I like that" and "I don't like that" without making it a big fucking deal
that is to say , seeing deeper things in media is not "bad" , it's actually a big part of the fun. it becomes wrong when it turns to such hatred that it ruins something for you. Chill
Sure, they can do that. But they miss the opportunity to observe the self-reflective "eureka" that comes when you realize that Shakespeare was right: nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so. When you observe beauty in the world, you're observing it in yourself. Who wouldn't want to stay with that for a minute?
People definitely need to LEARN to like or dislike stuffs and to be able to articulate WHY they like/dislike such things.
That's well and good, but a lot of people unknowingly interpret criticism of their tastes as an attack on them as a person. Like if I said Star Wars the Rise of Skywalker sucks to my friend who really enjoyed it, they may not see that as me shitting on that movie in particular, but rather as me implying "you're stupid for liking it". Ideally we as human beings can see past that, but from my experience, a lot of people don't (even me from time to time)
@@gnarwhal7562 i tend to find frustrations with that myself, as someone else who doesn't like the star wars sequels. like, i do want to express why i don't like them, but if someone else happens to be a fan, i would feel bad for explaining myself just because people did that to me before with other things i liked. sometimes it's positive, like when you are inadvertently being turned into a capitalist moderate who is complicit with fascism by 2016 anti sjw youtube videos. other times, it is just sad. being technically good is not a prerequisite for enjoying something, nor should it be. we would all be miserable if that were the case.
mediocrity is the call of our age though... don't you ever feel like they are trying to fool you into this 'mediacrity?' art that is government propaganda or art that is a rich kid without talent but an expensive degree? What kind of art is real and authentic in this world of government pushed mediocrity? hmmmmm.... Maybe we should like art that is nonsense without reading the 20 page paper on it?
Maybe art is just a word and you can call everything art but tat would be such a tarp. Matter people want to be artists but don't really have vision? How can anyone from an art school achieve vision when education from the art school has destroyed it?
"I think our experience of the universe has value. Even if it disappears forever."
I've been waiting for someone to echo this sentiment and this was the perfect video for it. Subbed.
I am insignificant, and will very likely leave no lasting impact on the world outside whatever present joy and comfort I can bring into the lives of the small circle of people I interact with... and I am content and happy in that insignificance.
I didn't expect someone to quote TMA in the comments, but I'm very happy that you did because I *love* this quote
Real Existentialist
This is the contemporary version of running into Oscar Wilde spitting scathingly eloquent societal commentary in a luxurious chair
Precisely.
like, even if you don't like oscar wilde, you gotta admit he knew what the hell he was doing and this dude seems to be riding those same waves.
YES
yuh
most definitely.
Here before a mob comes in to get needlessly angry at this well-seasoned and nuanced take
why does this guy keep commenting on CJ’s videos? are you like some kind of weird stalker??
@@doctaflo i believe it’s his brother, i think he mentioned this in his wandavision video or the noface one
@@seemin8286, Lol, i know, i was just being cheeky :0) i got here from Ben’s Twitter feed - love his work on Mr. Sunday Movies’s channel
Did that mob came?
your content is literally so good?? like i cant explain how much it scratches the inch in the brain to see somebody explain and be knowledgable about things while also not seeming rly like? Too Smart for me to follow, and you still mix in humor to make it rly enjoyable
omg i feel the exact way. what a gem to find in this youtube hellscape
This is why, whenever someone complains to me about an art being "bad" or "low brow" or w.e I always try to opt for "well, that's just cause it wasnt made for you"
It's a great way to start a dialogue about what makes someone think an art is "good" and most people are caught off guard by it and usually follow up with "I hadn't considered that"
Everyone's the main character of their own story and we often forget other people are the main character of their own, as well
Most people NOT on the internet right? Because 90% of the time that line is met with elitism if not straight up casual racism and sexism depending on how insane the person is and/ or the situation. The person now finds a away degrade or look down on others who are essentially not them or don't share their point of view.
No.There is such thing as objectively bad. When you have hack directors, writers, actors who are only after profit and completely half ass everything and create a film based on a lazily half-assed written script, that's going to be an objectively BAD film.
I do art as a hobby. I recently made a character, my first real OC, who’s a weird blend of snake and dog. Her name is Slippery Joseph and I don’t care if she’s ugly, I love her. She doesn’t really add anything to the world, but I’m happy with her
Slippery Joseph is the best name I've ever heard for a dog-snake hybrid I need one now
God speed, Slippery Joseph, I wish her fortunes and sweaters
your happiness with her is what she added to the world
@@chantalbellmont6937 this is very true. She’s fun to draw cause she’s not too complex a design. Even my mediocre ass can manage to draw her in more or less any situation and that’s nice
Slippery Joseph sounds like a baddie
I literally can't get enough of people talking about the things they're passionate about. It's one of the purest forms of joy and it reminds me that not everything in life is awful. Anyways this was such a fun and informative video and I am excited to drink from your well of content
Wish I could go to a cafe or salon and listen to people like this interact.
Nice comment.
"We come to art for fun, for escapism, for shows of craft, to see ourselves reflected on the screen; we come for surprise, for life lessons, for Greek catharsis -- so when we don't like art, but we're not slipping into moral condemnation, there's something we want that we're not getting"
Such an insightful point.
Like 'Piss Christ'?
damn, it's 3am, i'm not native english speaker and i'm neurodivergent with audio processing issues so i'm kind of very lost watching this but i can't stop, he's way of expressing, the words, the speed feels good and entertaining and i could listen for hours. everything started with the cat valentine video, i couldn't believe i watched the whole video without rushing it, getting bored, watching the time stamp to see how much it is until it ends and it feels right, i vibe with the way he talks so much, so fast and the voices and facial expressions
I think a lot of art becomes “objectively bad” when it isn’t made with love or care. Even is something isn’t the best work I’ve enter seen, I can usually acknowledge that the people making it cared and that care shows. The same cannot be said for media produced for the sole sake of profit in many cases
Totally agree. I love when I see things that are obviously made by people who cared about what they were making, who had fun with it. Even when the thing they made is “flawed”.
@@CampingforCool41 exactly!!!! There’s so many things I see where I see the flaws but I love it wholeheartedly because I can see the artist was really passionate about making it and decided to share a piece of themselves
That’s a great point! i’ve been trying to put my finger on why i hated the new live action disney/sequels more than the old direct to dvd ones. and i think it’s because even though both are ‘objectively bad’, a lot of the older ones clearly had some passion behind them, like the masterpiece that is cinderella III: a twist in time
You are wrong
The argument could even be made that it doesn’t really count as “art” in the ways that matter
Twas a tasty snack for my art theory and history brain.
yes i am just a bag of synapses how did you know
Also I actually would like a juice box, thank you
@@TomWonderful here have a *juice box*
What a coincidence! I am too!
My bag was stolen :(
Man, I want to know the absolute God who is capable of making actual objectively bad art. Its sounds harder than making objectively good art.
Like, imagine dedicating your life to making something transcendentally bad, *objectively* awful, but you keep fucking it up because every time you make something some weird asshole *loves* it.
Selling a blank canvas to a rich guy makes the entire world mad except for you and the rich guy because now you made a ton of cash and he gets to donate the new "priceless" art piece to a charity and get a massive tax write off, while essentially giving you a gift of cash in exchange for other illegal services you have provided and used art as a way to launder the money.
That is art that is truly evil and actively harms society.
Holy shit this just reset my brain
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It's interesting seeing how people have attempted to do this very thing in the past. It's also pretty funny seeing all the weird assholes in the comments who end up loving the song.
I don't think it'd be possible, outside of an incredibly controlled audience. Like, something tailored to be offensive to a singular individual. There's too many sheer subjective experiences for you to be able to draw upon something from your experiences and interpretation of "bad" to make something that's universally "bad". Make something hammy, it'd be lauded by the ironic, make something sheer frustration and noise, it'd resonate. I think the only way you could probably end up making something bad is either to put in a genuine effort, and fail spectacularly, or just to make nothing at all, which I suppose people might end up appreciating, given that you're trying to make "objectively bad" things.
May I direct you to evidence A. The infinitely stretching trail of the uncanny Valley. That very same gods trail of failures.
your content is both eloquently made and also fuels my inherit need for constant stimulation
Quick thing but I think you meant inherent not inherit? They sound very similar. Like the whole “take it for granted/granite” saying.
you had me at "The Sexual Tension Between Me and Jordan Peterson"...
here's my hot take: things don't have to be good. i'll listen to the worst fucking song in the world if there's a lyric that makes me feel like i got punched in the stomach. i have watched and enjoyed the star wars prequels multiple times cause there's good memes and i get gender envy for ewan mcgregor. sometimes things that are bad are good.
this is my first time seeing someone use the phrase "gender envy," and i want to thank you for giving me those words. also i agree with your comment
I mean the goal is to make enjoyable art, isn’t it? Maybe the artist intends for their art to be enjoyable one way but the fans they get enjoy it another. For example, people watching bad-funny movies like the Room. Or fans who dislike the creator but love the concept of their work just taking the reigns (in fan art, fan fiction, ect.). Or even just analyzing a piece of media to see what works and what doesn’t.
I love criticism videos. I love “this [thing] was better than you remember” videos. I love theory videos.
What I hate, however…. Is hating on people or whatever they decide to enjoy, however they decide to enjoy it (I mean, as long their method of enjoyment isn’t hurting anybody).
Sometimes the enjoyment of art comes not from its skill, quality, range, talent, message, or all the ways it excels, but from its humour, absurdity, failures and all the ways it falls short of its ambitions.
Great art goes beyond its ability and/or expectations to excel and impress, good art achieves what it was aiming for, mediocre art fails to clear the bare minimum of its ambitions, and bad/terrible art hits the end of the bucket and goes "we can still go further"
There are at least 5 ways to rate media/art (at least to me); technical quality, character/narrative quality, cinematography/art quality, is the movie good overall, and most importantly: Do YOU enjoy it?
A movie can be a 9/10 across the board, but I could hate it, or it could be 1/10 across the board and be my favourite fckin movie. Something could have amazing characters or narrative, but be ugly as hell to look at + have terrible cinematography.
Ok what about Temporary Secretary.
@@theonionqueen3519 i hate that song, listening at least. But it objectively hits all the marks, it's about a creepy fucking dude. That song gives me an anxiety attack
“we find it very difficult to say a piece of art is bad without saying it’s bad for society.” that’s so on point especially with how people react to new art movements
You are rapidly becoming one of my favourite media analysis channels. Such fantastic content. Incredibly eloquent, the humour is great, and the flow is quick and witty.
i dont want this come off as weird but as a bisexual person with several neurodivergencies this video resonates with my soul.
wtf is a soul?
@@IPlayKindredbro no way u ask that in this context, it means something like mind or some part of their mind but is not well defined for a reason
@@ninja8flash742dude I was trying to be a jerk for no reason, it aint that deep.
@@IPlayKindred oh ok I just assume people are asking things in good face all too often I guess
@@ninja8flash742nah there's good faith behind the jerkiness, I am just on too many levels of irony.
"Nothing is real and God is trans." Now THAT'S a religion I can get behind!
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I mean, honestly, wouldn't it make sense for god to be neither male nor female therefore trans lol
@@alexandria2243 The word you are looking for is intersexual.
@@alexandria2243 Not unless you believe in a changeable god without a nature
@@alexandria2243 nonbinary icon
You're a miracle worker, I'm gonna watch this five times until it's seeped into my brain and I understand it.
“i want them equipped and thoroughly intimate with the tools required to prove and perform their love” THIS so intensely, thank you for articulating that feeling. it hurts when i love or hate something and can’t articulate why at first
I like your articulate, smart take on things along with your unapologetic attitude, and after a hard day and people just... being people.... it's wonderful to sit and listen to a brilliant arguement by someone you can suspend disbelief and think of as a friend. It's.... the shit. I'll drink to that.
i can’t believe the “fistfight me on the moon for the soul of humanity” line predicted the plot of FFXIV: Endwalker over a year ago
As a ex "huge Peterson fan", I have to say you have the absolute best nuanced take on JBP in all of UA-cam
Oh really? I'm glad you're an ex fan.
This is how my head sounds when im writing essays
I’m high, so I’m just listening to the flow of your words rather than understanding
I do this sober loll
Video essaying can be good art. This is like Pollock with words. I don’t actually know if that is a compliment or not. The editing seems to be free jazz. The pipe makes CJ look like a beatnik on acid. Psychedelic academia. Its my first dose. Will subscribe.
"Psychedelic academia" is quite literally the perfect term to describe this channel. Well done.
"Beatniq on acid" beautiful
i have legitimately rewatched this twelve times at least since it dropped and each time I find something new that captivates and invigorates me. CJ you are my sole muse.
this is the most chaotic i think you've ever been in a video and i'm so here for it. i love how this turned out and i'm obsessed w these earrings. cannot want to drink more from your well of content
I would also be so curious what you think of criticism of Christian storytelling (movies/books) as "objectively bad," partly because I'm someone who has thought it in the past. Even when I was still a Christian, 90% of the books I read and films were frustrating to experience as someone who always wanted to write my own stories. I also know there is a lot of videos discussing how this or that Christian movie is objectively bad.
u givin me war flashbacks to the 2011 christian rap scene
I remember that, even back when I was Christian, I hated reading Christian books because the big climax was always "Yay, Jesus! Hey, remember how he forgave you bc you're a piece of shit?". Same with music. It's all boils down to the same blob.
@@ToastyJunebugs omg yes. There was a middle grade book series I was intrigued by when I was younger where the protagonist would get visions from God that she would interpret to help detectives solve crimes or something, I can't quite remember. But I realized as I was reading the first one that the opposition to her visions was nonexistent in the first book. Anyone who questioned her would be easily swayed, and that was rare to find because police/detectives would take her word at face value. Even middle school me thought that was garbage and dropped the series immediately.
Edit: here's me calling it garbage when the whole video was arguing against evaluating art that way lol!
@@cjthex I still remember all the lyrics to the jesus themed hip hop they made us sing in church 😰
I would love this! I'm Christian and I HATE the movies (we all know the embarrassing failure of the God's not dead series). These movies always shame everyone and their beliefs/culture if they're not Christian, even going as far as to villian-ize them. It's very frustrating to see as our message is supposed to be one of love.
Finally I found a person who speaks just as fast as I do while giving articulated opinions on culture no one asked for. This was so entertaining and well-researched! (Why am I excited to see bibliography attached to videos like what is wrong with me).
Haha we might make good friends! I tend to watch videos at 1.something times speed. Nothing wrong with you for enjoying a well-cited video! It adds accountability and lets you follow up on interesting things the creator mentions
That bibliography was a flex! I need him to posts it. And him speaking so fast in all his videos while being deeply profound and also hilarious is next level. My brain can't even think this fast!
i have never had someone describe the feeling of my brain when processing abstract & complex ideas like you did at the end of this video and i just realised why the pacing and busyness of your videos feels so perfect to me ,, it really is brain trying to articulate the complexities of unbelievably complex things
I came here cuz I thoroughly enjoy your brother’s channel and he mentioned you one time. I’m gonna subscribe to your channel and go thank your brother now.
I don’t know if it’s nature or nurture or Canada…but you are both incredibly talented communicators. I deeply appreciate your ability to use language, humor, and the edit to articulate complex ideas of artistic expression as it relates to the human condition. Your appreciation of the creativity and the beauty found in art is infectious
Also, your ability to appreciate something Jordan Peterson says is such a clear sign of honest intellectual empathy. Your ability to see nuance and beauty in his words is refreshing.
brother?
your channel might genuinely be the best thing i've ever accidentally stumbled across
I lost it at: "I can't believe you committed suicide..."
i didnt even know the dmt air mattress thing was my lifelong dream until you said it but like yeah thats it 100%
Just wanna say as a fellow Christian, really encouraged by you expanding what culture (esp American culture) defines to be Christian. I’ve been binge watching your vids all day stuck in quarantine and hearing that you were Christian just really made it. Thanks for your existence yo
Yeah we do have a weird idea in the US about what it means to be Christian, don't we? Like if you actually read the damn book and look at how it's been interpreted throughout history, we take a lot for granted. Maybe that's a european influence, maybe it has something to do with the country being founded by religious radicals, I don't know. I like to think about Jelly Roll's version of Jesus, who in his mind would be on the side of prostitutes, addicts, and all the rejects of society. It's Christianity for the white trash as well as the suburbanite. It's the acknowledgment that god is on your side even if you're poor.
There's a few of these folks, I'm also thinking of Hank Green here. They're pretty cool, but unfortunately still the minority.
I'm very much an apostate but I wish you guys best of luck! I know that it's a big ask, but I hope that people like these can, in some small gradual way, change the institution from the inside.
Laura Bailey is a genuinely sweet, smart, lovely person (or appears to be to her audience and is according to people who actually know her but admittedly are also pandering to a shared audience) and excellent actor (subjective opinion expressed as objective fact). She didn’t deserve all the hatred, vitriol, and fuckin death threats and threats to her child that she got over TLOU2. And that would still be true even if nothing I stated in the first sentence was fact.
(Also, yes, I am just commenting on minor points of each video to give the algorithm its required engagement because I enjoy your content and would like to see more of it.)
Seriously? People fucked with Laura Bailey? God damnit humanity.
As someone who watches too many video essays I really appreciate this take
English teacher here, and in my class at least, our working definition of the purpose "to entertain" can be broken down as "to tell a story/narrative, or to convey an emotion".
Holy shit, how did you make the EXACT argument that has been kicking around in my brain forever?!
This is such an excellent, articulate essay. I’m definitely subscribing.
Here's a case about objectivity in art:
Assume you and your roommate are trying to decide what color to paint a wall in your house. Your favorite wall color is blue, their favorite wall color is also blue. With that in mind, you can now decide that the color you wanna paint the wall is blue. Does that make the color blue *objectively* the best color? No, of course not, but because all the subjects of the question what color to paint the wall, subjectively agree that blue is their favourite color, you can now treat the color blue as a semi objective best color on this subjective plane of 2 people making a decision together.
Same goes for everything. No, art cannot be objectively good or bad, but there are things most or even all people find beautiful, like effort and thought being put into a piece and because we're only deciding the value of the art on the subjective plane of our human experience of the world, we can treat stuff that all humans(or at least most, it's hard with all because of genetic mutations and stuff there's always people whose experience of reality is so fundamentally different from the neurotypical one, that this judgment doesn't apply to them) would see as bad as if it were objectively bad
i’ve started having the mindset that i don’t have good taste in art, and whenever i like something that’s objectively ‘good’ it’s a coincidence. i find it really freeing to not have to care about whether the things i like are ‘good’ or not. my bar of quality for a piece of media is: do i enjoy it? if yes, then it’s good in my book
I'm interested in what you said, I have always been insecure about my taste in music. How can people not hear what I hear in this? How can I mot hear what everyone else hears in that? I think there's many factors at play here, but my opinion is trending towards the idea of music being like food. Junk food is more pleasurable to eat but it isn't satiating like healthy food. It takes self control to appreciate the richer taste of the healthy food instead of going straight foe unhealthy food when you're hungry. I think music is the same way.
I am very exited to drink from your well of content
“If I never sought experiences outside of my comfort zone I’d still be 13 in the back of the school bus being bullied while listening to I got a feeling on an iPod shuffle on repeat.” Bro I’ve never been so called out before in my life sammmmeeee, I love your videos man. Incredibly interesting and you are very well spoken I love your makeup ♥️♥️♥️
that last bit about holding all the thoughts in your brain is extremely relatable, the feeling that you're gonna forget it all or mess something up and lose a piece of it and it'll not be as good as it could be. also, excellent video!
Tell me you have adhd without telling me you have adhd
I keep on coming back to this video, both literally and rewatching it and also randomly bringing it up in convos about art and in my own head when I’m thinking about art; it really does get my brain going, thank you so much for making it
Speaking of acquired taste. Being a speedy boi my whole life and having this deep deep hole and adhd too, i was constantly curious and i just had this insatiable thirst to consume media. And the more you consume, the more weird and depraved and ugly and - out of there - media you seek and desire. My taste in music mirrors a slow descent into madness - because of how much i just started listening to new stuff that was more and more experimental.
An art gallery where my friend was working as a curator had a little white poster that just had this written on it : "Art does not owe you beauty”. This resonated with me and i understood it, being freaky because i was dropped as a baby - i had a weird connection with everything that could be labeled as "alternative" and experimental. My own headcanon about art, that i formed on my own before even getting to actually learn art history in my art scool - i legit believed that art is just like existence itself, but we see it through a different medium - or it has to be surrounded or encased in something. Basically, like a periscope that can show us a altered perception of whatever the artist had in focus for a particular piece.
My point here being that we are kinda gatekeeping this, but how much is intentional ? I had friends who were artists like me and they cheered when football hooligans trashed a gallery that hosted a alternate comic art group that is famous in the underground circles in my country. One of those comic artists has worked with Jodorovsky a lot - Zoran Janjetov. But his friend had a comic for ants where a child was being stabbed with a knife. This reads like oooh aaah not the childe - but for real has been a doodle and small for a reason and ive drawn worse (and seen much worse on deviantart) - and was also drawn specifically to allude to domestic violence in my country. And this pissed of a group of drug dealing vandal hooligans who are basically in the pocket of our clepto-idiocratic goverment - they just came overnight and royally smashed the gallery - and of course our politicians and our priests gave them medals for their bravery.
And my problem here is not with the hooligans or our politicians. Its very funny how this was very similar to how the painting - Who's Afraid of Red, Yellow, and Blue III - got vandalized and cut up with a box cutter. I mean, i said we are both a cleptocracy and idiocracy. The irony is lost on these chucklefucks and this is in my country the natural order of things - and we are all bored of it and used to it.
What hurt me the most was to see how much there was... Well just about everything you said in your video plus a general disdain for post modern contemporary art because grug no like aert not pretty grug smash and shidd pantsu. We sat through the same art classes and listened to the same inspiring stories and also - im pretty sure that we all got the same instructions on how to art.
You said at the very beggining - i have no intention to argue with someone who knows squat about media literacy, and yes thats what im saying. Dissapointed in artists, then imagine if they just suck so much - how much are the regular folk completely lost in interpretation, and then you get conservatives who want to change laws and get crowds with torches on the streets and so on and so on.
I seen countless of these rants where people dont even mention that they read the curators or the artists description of a art piece - when they see somethign in a gallery - or much much worse - when they see something online (this is much much worse because online you can find so much info about a particular piece).
Just imagine recreating that first dadaist art exibit that had the famous - the urinal of all evil that started it all. And then you sit back and wait for conservatives to come and basically react to it in the same way the fist nazis did. "Bad art of dada" was bad by choice to literally make some people cope and seethe - but not for shits and giggles, but to force their hand. To test them like a sly little art social experiment - so that the whole world can see how they react - because if they get angry at it, then they become half of the art piece themselves - and also out themselves as people who love to shout MIGHT MAKES RIGHT - while meanwhile being intimidated and paranoid that their children will become gay because of the evil librurl art - and that their whole ideology will crumble and fall because someone just cant stop eating shit as a part of a visual performance called - artists likes eating shit. If you feel threatened by art , if you get so offended that you think that - the west will fall because of this - thats on you. And that is not might or right or strong out of you and a real ubermensch would not let himself be moved by such petty degeneracy.
Skipping zoom college bc i'm honestly learning more from binging these videos
Trueeeee
this is a great channel, love your takes!
hell yeah moderndayjames
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My man
Yass
Off topic but the thing that strangely excites me the most is when a you tuber uses music from a game or show that I like. It immediately warms me up to the person.
do u happen to know what the "nothing is real" song clip bit was from?
@@leap4joytx made me go berserk im tellin ya
@@caldie4338 is this… is that where it’s from? i googled it and didn’t get it im a chode 🙃
@@leap4joytx it is the song "Guts"(or gatsu) by Susumu Hirasawa from the anime Berserk. Can really recommend a listen to the soundtrack :)
@@RainbowColours-ji8qf you’re the cats pajamas my friend
"I'm not satisfied, viewer, with you just liking stuff, I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHY YOU LIKE IT!"
That seems to be my life's goal to most of my peers. instant sub!
I think I need like 3-5 business days to process every chapter in this video. Amazing, love it, really thought provoking. Maybe too thought provoking it might give me a stroke if I try to come to grips with every concept in here in a single day.
I feel like after the video i'm simultaneously moving forward in understanding art, regressing, standing still and I'm gonna die
Can confirm that the Last Jedi is not objectively bad, because that's one of my favorite movies.
This is sarcasm right?
@@amazintr3266 nope! I acknowledge it's a flawed movie and clunky in parts, but the concepts and story devices that work for me are some of my favorite.
How could you say something so controversial yet...
No no, just controversial
@@ewwpoorpeople5684 lol I'm fine with controversial. The movie works well for me and not others and I'm fine with that. Mostly I just wish other people could see what I love about it, but I understand it's a difference of taste.
Like my hot take: I love when older heroes are shown to be extremely flawed and even bitter because of the aftermath of their heroism in their youth. It's a trope that sells me every time, so this is the only time Luke has ever resonated with me as a character. But I also know most people hate seeing Luke in that form.
Its my favourite star wars film period. Cant wait for the rian johnson trilogy 👍
Omg, this channel is a gold mine. It surprises me that I am still able to follow you even when you speak so fast. It surprises me that you are still able to have sentence conciseness even with how much speak. Great job!
as someone with a film degree, you have the most interesting takes about film/art i've ever heard
Still got the receipt?
@@oldvlognewtricks cute
So I’m a music student at uni. Before I went to uni I didn’t really give a shit about other art forms, all I really cared about was music.
But then one of my lecturers did a lesson on Impressionism in music and how it relates to Impressionism in visual art and I was absolutely fascinated by it and since then I’ve realised the more time you spend thinking about art, the more you love it and realise the meanings behind art that you’ve previously brushed off as shit and meaningless
my little neuron bag feels so happy and enriched by your essay. thank you.
"drink from the well of content" oh so is THAT what we're calling it now
Also, yes, the answer is yes c:
I need the transcript if this essay tattooed on my body
15:56 my favorite scene from 13 Reasons Why
The way you described how much joy there is to experiencing and creating art hit me right in my soul. As well as why it's great to look closely at the art you love and hate to understand why you do so. It actually helped me realize why I keep comong back to games like Max Payne and Devil May Cry 1, wishing I loved them as much as others: because I want to understand them and why people love them.
The AI made a comment folder(?) named "eager to drink content" and I'm living for it
The most refreshing hot take on Peterson. Confronted with ideas I'm surprised to find it cathartic to admit to agreeing to, releaved to be free of that feeling of childish guilt. and good to see so many fellow ADHD's.
Consider instead: you're wrong because i say so. Nah but this was such a lovely vid! You have such an engaging and interesting story telling style. I can't wait to drink from the well of content again in the future
I love the line you draw between moral outrage over art being indicative of "societal degeneracy" and fans' self-righteous fervor that their favorite properties have been "disrespected and desecrated."
The moment you asked "you want a snack?" I was just about to unwrap a popsicle from it's plastic cocoon
3 minutes in and I'm already overwhelmed by this guy.
I love it.
Holy shit you're the first person to explain the fetishisation of consumption as identity to me in a way that I understand, thank you
this is now the fifth video I’ve seen that has served as a definitive turning point for me in my slow, bitter divorce with rational materialism, and I want to personally thank you for making this available when I really, really needed to see it.
Every discussion-based Humanities class I've ever been in has felt like a spiritual experience.
I'm back to say that the essay I'm working on was due an hour and a half ago and I desperately want a snack or a juice box.
So you just sit there and eloquently convert mental back-and-forth concepts into succinct words in a quick and cohesive manner with a large side dish of humor?? Absolutley incredible.
I suggest you are missing one important word in your vocabulary : intersubjectivity.
"If you are not a sexist, white supremacist, transphobic, colonialist pundit... but all your fans think you are and fucking love it, your intentions cease to be of significance."
That goes hard. It be like if Marx wrote at the end of Das Kaptial "by the way guys, I'm not a communist. If that's the impression you got from all my writings, you've completely misinterpreted me."
I feel like I could spend a solid hour trying to convey the sheer felicity that ran through me with the statement "nothing is real and God is trans".
Objectivity fucks and so does this video. Top to bottom. Phenomenal work my dude
yeah but god isn't trans, its very clear in scripture god is a man, a father, a patriarch. Christ is referred to as Son of God, the church is the Bride of Christ , Christ is referred to as the Bridegroom.
there isn't any ambiguity. The genderless, hands off, mechanic of the universe is a Gnostic heresy which was condemned by the apostolic church fathers over a thousand years ago.
good luck on your path to truth! beware heresy, it's everywhere.
god bless 🙏
I would argue that Twilight is actually harmful because it paints toxic relationships in a positive light and makes young readers think that kind of behavior is okay. Many teenagers, particularly young women, stayed in abusive relationships for a long time because they thought their partners acted the way they did out of love. Granted, that isn’t Twilight’s fault alone; our media is steeped in this philosophy, but I am saying that Twilight contributed to the problem and spread it to a younger audience. Anyway, let me get off my soapbox. Hope you all have a nice day!
Absolutely, but there are countless movies that also romanticize and validate creepy relationship dynamics form a male perspective that didn't receive nearly as much backlash - probably in part because the main audience isn't teenage girls - I'l direct you to "stalking for love, the video by pop culture detective for countless examples of this.
The critic is valid, but it becomes counterproductive when it contributes to a general hostility to teen girls and young women whom this particular objection is meant to protect - when it crosses the lines from: "this movie encourages a bad thing" to "this movie is bad, and you're bad/stupid for liking it".
It might be better to identify and criticize the same tendencies in more acclaimed media for instance - but of course it's harder to dunk on good art - or even just mediocre art that doesn't have the same level of memefied badness.
I don't think people think it's okay. It's a narcissistic female fantasy; if anything, that is what's creepy about it.
I just wanted to hop in and wonder if commenters realized this was one of the bullet points, about art being bad because of its perceived immoral content
Glad yall are discussing at any rate! I think it's very helpful to be aware of pathological romance environments
@Celaestis Amory
Is Twilight art, though?
@@mabusestestament art doesn't have to be good to be art. saying art you don't like isn't art is just another way to say you don't like it.
I like you.
Because... objectively you are useful in terms of education, intellectual and emotional stimulation and, most importantly, aesthetic beauty. And because I studied philosophy and what you‘re saying is pleasantly tickling my more and more neglected academic brain.
So you get my [STAMP OF APPROVAL].
These vibes are immaculate and the last five minutes were extremely cathartic because every time I try to talk to my mom about WHY I like something she gets annoyed because she thinks I'm overthinking things and that means I don't like anything but bruv *that's just how I love shit if I'm not thinking about it then how can I say I love it deeply.*
“Some things are true but not useful” well shit