They are everywhere nowadays while legit comments are disappearing 50%+ of the time. The worst ones i've seen are on Reddit, the ones which looks completely legit unless u check their profile and tries to hype, manipulate you to buy specific products or in game purchases on with AI generated pics and very generic comments of the subject. What if I am a bot too? You could never know... Its 2024. Beep - Boop.
Any minor damage or microcracks, they're thrown away. That's the issue with carbon fiber wheels. The downsides and risks are just too high to be worth it.
@@derbigpr500very few of tuning mods make really "sense". I think there will be a lot of people going for these wheels, as Carbon rims for an M3 are something absolutely unique.
The risk of carbon wheels failure is more catastrophic than normal ones....if it fails it won't give any early indicator like cracks or vibration...it will shatter to pieces without warning...just imagine it shatters during 200-300 kmh plus.... Gordon Murray has analysed the failure mode probability n it did not passed his engineeeing team test ....
@@SimonJack94 Yeah. Especially those bolted together wheels, they have so many weak points and two different material that load and stress differently. Recipe for disaster. Steel bends and dents. Resin with fabric in it basically explodes. You can drive and stop with bent wheels, with no wheels its way harder.
Carbon wheels are great, until they fail ( as you mentioned). Weight savings are marginal, but if they fail, will be catastrophic. Once upon a time, i got carbon wheelset for my mtb downhill bike, they were great until i shattered thee wheels in a rock garden. The problem is that carbon rims don`t dent, they just break into pieces.
If people actually knew how many variables there are in production of these wheels that can affect their long term durability, and in how many ways things can go wrong very quickly with carbon wheels (meaning almost no amount of testing can guarantee every wheel will behave the same because there are no two carbon fiber wheels that are exactly identical to each other) nobody would ever drive a car with carbon fiber wheels. The advantage of metal wheels is that we can control the way they behave literally on an atomic level.
i like that rear quarter view of the g80. i'm warming up to the grill (no pun intended LOL) as well. i think a plate running across the grill improves the look.
@@SalamaahmedSalamaahmed So is titanium but titanium exhaust exist. Its like saying ice is dangerous because water can boil. Anything burns at the right temperature.
@@SalamaahmedSalamaahmed Oh boy LMAO.... don't even go there. Carbon fiber wheels are way, way, WAY more dangerous than magnesium wheels, and way harder to produce. Also no two carbon wheels are the same.
Risking you life with carbon wheels and they weight 9kg im not an expert but i could imagine that you can probably find some magnesium rims with very similar weight which are 100x safer... Edit: The bbs fi-r evo are almost 1kg lighter and made from forged aluminum😮
@@alexandrubaginean7369 than let us know how you calculated😂 "7-9kg" says absolutely nothing. 7kg at 10kmh or 7kg at 300kmh? You are absolutely clueless what you are talking about 😂 But it sounds "clever" dropping some random numbers😂 Please,let us know how u calculated it😁
@ yes it does, at a given speed every extra kilogram in rotation will weight between 7-9 kg, at what speed exactly, I will let you make the math by yourself, I will not keep a free symposium on youtube just because a random guy asks me to.
@@SalamaahmedSalamaahmed I doubt carbon wheels are safe. In case of a crash or pothole they suffer catastrophic failure. You would not want your wheel to disintegrate at 300kph. Especially those bolted together wheels, they have so many weak points and two different material that load and stress differently. Recipe for disaster.
@@REVYIATAN Not weak, unpredictable. Also no two carbon wheels are the same, unlike metal wheels. There are millions of variables in production of them that you can't always control. No amount of testing guarantees all wheels made will behave the same. There are so many failure points that as a mechanical engineer, I will only tell you, ignorance is bliss. It truly is. I'd never sit in a car with carbon fiber wheels, let alone drive 300 km/h with them. It's insane.
This is a beautiful car for sure - love the color and the new boots. The outside exhaust sound is too skinny for me personally - prefer a much deeper rumble 😄
If rotational weight is so important then why even f1 n wec hypercars don't use carbon wheels? 😅other parts in carbon is ok but when it comes to wheels n tires , carbon wheels did not outweighed the safety aspects
A lot of hyper cars use it looks at Koenigsegg, Pagani , Bugatti and more like zenvos and even the all new KTM . One great example is the jesko absolute and the regera speed record breaker they both have carbon fibre wheels.
@@SalamaahmedSalamaahmed Those are all wheels used for show record runs and small amount of driving. And made by hypercar companies where they put more effort into making one wheel than most car makers do into making the whole car. I'd never drive a carbon wheel in a regular car. The amount of potential failure points is nightmare fuel. It's only people ignorant and who know nothing about engineering who don't realize just how dangerous carbon wheels are. No amount of performance gain is worth me knowing I could die at any moment because the wheel will instantly shatter without a hint of warning. Again, if they were that good, then race series where money is no object would use them.
@@derbigpr500 No, they're not. You can option BMW motorcycles with carbon wheels. Check out the 2024 BMW S 1000 RR with M-package for instance. Not saying they're safe, I don't know, but it's nonsense that carbon wheels are only used in show record runs or small amount of driving or are only used with hypercars, as there are many, many vehicles you can option with carbon wheels, including expensive sports cars, supercars, hypercars and sports- and superbikes
The issue with carbon fiber wheels is the fact that there are many variables in production and no two wheels are exactly the same. I'd never risk my life for the irrelevant gains compared to slightly heavier metal wheels.
Muss man die Einstellungen des Fahrwerks ändern, wenn man so viel leichtere Räder verbaut ❔🤔 Weil das Fahrwerk ist ja auf das Gewicht der Alufelgen abgestimmt, oder ❔😜 Lieben Gruß aus Berlin, Ramsi 🙋🏻♂️
@@alexkoch5330 No, I wrote a comment on a Video which is like 10 days old, I commented that Id like to see their M3 again and if they made any new mods. The Comment is not ment 100% seriously too btw.
GT350R had carbon wheels its nothing special. Either produce full carbon or get quality light alloys why risk it just to flex that you have a carbon barrel
The bot to actual human ratio in this comment section is actually insane
Maybe they are car enthusiasts as well, add a slow day at the office/server, and... 🤷🏼♂️😂
What’s a bot
@@dnice362 spotted the bot lol
Otherwise this channel wouldn‘t be runnin‘🤣🤌🏼
They are everywhere nowadays while legit comments are disappearing 50%+ of the time. The worst ones i've seen are on Reddit, the ones which looks completely legit unless u check their profile and tries to hype, manipulate you to buy specific products or in game purchases on with AI generated pics and very generic comments of the subject. What if I am a bot too? You could never know... Its 2024. Beep - Boop.
I love that you started to show rolling shots. Nice to see the cars you review on the move.
love the colour
Zanzibar😊
beautiful
I hate the colour 😂
Hi man. Thanks for all the good content- and the fact that its all about the car and no goofy faces everytime u look into the camera.
I would love to see you guys doing a lap with Misha in your M3!
If they get kerbed then they’re done I presume?
yup. veryyy expensive to replace typically.
Any minor damage or microcracks, they're thrown away. That's the issue with carbon fiber wheels. The downsides and risks are just too high to be worth it.
@@derbigpr500very few of tuning mods make really "sense". I think there will be a lot of people going for these wheels, as Carbon rims for an M3 are something absolutely unique.
The risk of carbon wheels failure is more catastrophic than normal ones....if it fails it won't give any early indicator like cracks or vibration...it will shatter to pieces without warning...just imagine it shatters during 200-300 kmh plus.... Gordon Murray has analysed the failure mode probability n it did not passed his engineeeing team test ....
Wtf really
@@SimonJack94 Yeah. Especially those bolted together wheels, they have so many weak points and two different material that load and stress differently. Recipe for disaster. Steel bends and dents. Resin with fabric in it basically explodes. You can drive and stop with bent wheels, with no wheels its way harder.
@@BarrelTitor91 literally nightmare fuel. Thx for the info
Carbon wheels are great, until they fail ( as you mentioned). Weight savings are marginal, but if they fail, will be catastrophic. Once upon a time, i got carbon wheelset for my mtb downhill bike, they were great until i shattered thee wheels in a rock garden. The problem is that carbon rims don`t dent, they just break into pieces.
If people actually knew how many variables there are in production of these wheels that can affect their long term durability, and in how many ways things can go wrong very quickly with carbon wheels (meaning almost no amount of testing can guarantee every wheel will behave the same because there are no two carbon fiber wheels that are exactly identical to each other) nobody would ever drive a car with carbon fiber wheels. The advantage of metal wheels is that we can control the way they behave literally on an atomic level.
That rolling shot at 1:55 is awesome!! 👍
Those wheels are gorgeous
The copper in the sunlight is indeed gorgeous, the new wheels make it pop even more.
I absolutely love this color
The colour of the car is beautiful
what's the improvement in 100-200 with those wheels?
Not enough to justify you risking your life when driving the car on these wheels.
The installation of the tires is identical to an aluminum wheel where you have to be extremely careful with the edge of the rim ?
No. Anyone that has dealt with CF wheel installation will tell you that you need to go to someone with specialized equipment to mount your tires.
Loving the grail exhaust.
Absolute beauty
i like that rear quarter view of the g80. i'm warming up to the grill (no pun intended LOL) as well. i think a plate running across the grill improves the look.
this car symply the best ina world
That exhaust makes it sound more like a V6 than an inline6... I like it 👌
Very interesting
I’d like to see some stress analysis after 20k
Magnesium wheels weighs almost the same ... in GMA t50 it just about 300g increase only in magnesium wheels
But the magnesium is very flambale and dangerous to manufacture more than the carbon fibre
@@SalamaahmedSalamaahmed So is titanium but titanium exhaust exist. Its like saying ice is dangerous because water can boil. Anything burns at the right temperature.
I prefer those too. In case I miss my magnesium daily macros I nibble on them.
@@SalamaahmedSalamaahmed Oh boy LMAO.... don't even go there. Carbon fiber wheels are way, way, WAY more dangerous than magnesium wheels, and way harder to produce. Also no two carbon wheels are the same.
Dude you have the best job in the world.. to do what u do is truly a dream
Max in autotopnl create a vibes that makes you want to see the video till the end ❤
Risking you life with carbon wheels and they weight 9kg im not an expert but i could imagine that you can probably find some magnesium rims with very similar weight which are 100x safer...
Edit:
The bbs fi-r evo are almost 1kg lighter and made from forged aluminum😮
Is there a difference from 100-200?
Excelent video. What a wheels and a what a sunset
Have always heard positive reviews about Grail products.. Almost had one or their exhausts shipped to the states for my Rs3
this config is just something else!
11:35 dream job haha
Absolutely phenomenal speed bro💯🔥🔥
Max did you find any accelaration differences before and after the carbon wheels??
Literally yesterday looking at wheels with carbon barrel and now u upload always these coincidences its crazy
They are spying on you bro
Amazing car, amazing video!
Sticking to forged rims for now for me
1 kilo in rotation equals to 7-9 kilos, so thats huge upgrade
Source?
@@jojajo2707 physics
It depends on the maximum angular velocity
@@alexandrubaginean7369 than let us know how you calculated😂
"7-9kg" says absolutely nothing.
7kg at 10kmh or 7kg at 300kmh?
You are absolutely clueless what you are talking about 😂
But it sounds "clever" dropping some random numbers😂
Please,let us know how u calculated it😁
@ yes it does, at a given speed every extra kilogram in rotation will weight between 7-9 kg, at what speed exactly, I will let you make the math by yourself, I will not keep a free symposium on youtube just because a random guy asks me to.
Well done guys. 👏
No carbon wheels ever. Life is more precious than some fractions of seconds. If you want to save on weight, there are safer ways to do it.
too brittle, right?
It is very safe infact the abslout jesko used them as the main wheels
Carbon, weak? What
Also they need to meet the same standards as rims made from other materials
@@SalamaahmedSalamaahmed I doubt carbon wheels are safe. In case of a crash or pothole they suffer catastrophic failure. You would not want your wheel to disintegrate at 300kph. Especially those bolted together wheels, they have so many weak points and two different material that load and stress differently. Recipe for disaster.
@@REVYIATAN Not weak, unpredictable. Also no two carbon wheels are the same, unlike metal wheels. There are millions of variables in production of them that you can't always control. No amount of testing guarantees all wheels made will behave the same. There are so many failure points that as a mechanical engineer, I will only tell you, ignorance is bliss. It truly is. I'd never sit in a car with carbon fiber wheels, let alone drive 300 km/h with them. It's insane.
This is a beautiful car for sure - love the color and the new boots.
The outside exhaust sound is too skinny for me personally - prefer a much deeper rumble 😄
First carbon wheels I saw were on a 2012 Koenigsegg Agera R and Agera S. Then the next time I saw em was on a S550 GT350R
now that's wheely fast
Im not sure, but did you guys change the gear shifter?
The color finally works thanks to the new wheels.
These wheels painted light grey like the Apex ones would be perfect
Carbon Wheels is one of the best upgrades you can make in any vehicle bike motorcycle or cars 🛞
Looks fantastic, i wonder how they handle 30/40k miles of mixed riding, i suppose they are easy to brake?
BBS Fi-R EvO joined the chat :)
I have Tomason TN25 superlight wheels (18 inch) on my Peugeot 308 II SW GT, and they wheight 7,9 Kg per wheel … but only 225/40
looking good but i think it needs a front splitter
Such a shame there aren’t many M3s in colors like that. Its always the BMW gray color/black or white. The Bordeaux paint is stunning as well
You should put that car on a scale see how much weight you've managed to shave off. It would be very interesting to see.
Notification gang ❤
Speedmaster on a golden brown leather strap 😙🤌
A hybrid wheel like this was also abailable for the last F Series M4 GTS. Made for BMW by Mubea Carbo Tech in Austria..
Well if they can’t make a mountain bike frame out of carbon that doesn’t snap??
bro this inline 6 just outruns V8's and V12's by ease.
If rotational weight is so important then why even f1 n wec hypercars don't use carbon wheels? 😅other parts in carbon is ok but when it comes to wheels n tires , carbon wheels did not outweighed the safety aspects
A lot of hyper cars use it looks at Koenigsegg, Pagani , Bugatti and more like zenvos and even the all new KTM . One great example is the jesko absolute and the regera speed record breaker they both have carbon fibre wheels.
BMW motorcycles with M package also..you are all engineers..😂
Because carbon wheels are ridiculously risky and unsafe in practice. Especially semi-mass produced wheels.
@@SalamaahmedSalamaahmed Those are all wheels used for show record runs and small amount of driving. And made by hypercar companies where they put more effort into making one wheel than most car makers do into making the whole car. I'd never drive a carbon wheel in a regular car. The amount of potential failure points is nightmare fuel. It's only people ignorant and who know nothing about engineering who don't realize just how dangerous carbon wheels are. No amount of performance gain is worth me knowing I could die at any moment because the wheel will instantly shatter without a hint of warning.
Again, if they were that good, then race series where money is no object would use them.
@@derbigpr500 No, they're not. You can option BMW motorcycles with carbon wheels. Check out the 2024 BMW S 1000 RR with M-package for instance. Not saying they're safe, I don't know, but it's nonsense that carbon wheels are only used in show record runs or small amount of driving or are only used with hypercars, as there are many, many vehicles you can option with carbon wheels, including expensive sports cars, supercars, hypercars and sports- and superbikes
Those wheels look sh*t hot. 🔥 😍
Could you test the new gle 53 hybrid? I think it is quite a interesting car
thoughts on the CAE and rogue shift kits?
If only carbon wheels could look good
Mine RAYS te037 6061 are lighter
And the size of the wheel rims is much bigger- front 19” 9J, rear 10,5J.
How much weight does it save
Cool
What is the 100-200 time
The issue with carbon fiber wheels is the fact that there are many variables in production and no two wheels are exactly the same. I'd never risk my life for the irrelevant gains compared to slightly heavier metal wheels.
Nice BMDoubleYou 👌
Which Year BMW is this ??
I'm not sure if it's the camera, but those carbon rims look very small and a bit lost on the car. 🤔
Needs front lip and it's perfect
Carbon elements look cool, but they get damaged very easily by stones, and you can't avoid them on roads.
i just got new winter tyres, Sava Eskimo HP2
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Bronze gaban❤
please do the genesis g70 3.3T i beg u, its such a sleeper
What performance mods are on the car
Manuell 👍
Just get a BBS FI-R it more than 1 kg lighter. 😅
Or a Dymag barrel. Not lighter than this but weave is prettier.
Congratulations, you saved 20 grams per corner
Are we not gonna talk about that insane brake noise at 7:59?
carbon ceramics😂
I had CCB on my Car, I sometimes get the same extremely occasional noise like this.
Its on mid-temp so if you get some heat in them the sound is gone
Muss man die Einstellungen des Fahrwerks ändern, wenn man so viel leichtere Räder verbaut ❔🤔
Weil das Fahrwerk ist ja auf das Gewicht der Alufelgen abgestimmt, oder ❔😜
Lieben Gruß aus Berlin,
Ramsi 🙋🏻♂️
Очень очень круто
Need 100-200
The sound on the s58 is disappointing
why those spokes have the "tail"? no structure function,only add dead weight，and those wheels not lighter than alloy rivals significantly
i guess theese wheels are just too expensive for the daily driver which is G21 M340i, and not even thinking about putting them on the SUVs lmao
Up is the opposite of down
my prayers have been heard thank you guys!!
How did AutoTopNL putting new wheels on their car answer your prayers?? Is that really what you've been praying for?
@@alexkoch5330 No, I wrote a comment on a Video which is like 10 days old, I commented that Id like to see their M3 again and if they made any new mods. The Comment is not ment 100% seriously too btw.
fastest manual driven yet?
Kerb Your Alloy wheels = Quick Refurb
Kerb Your Carbon Wheels = 😭Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Didn't know they made a manual, thought they were all auto's
You can order one in 1 of 3 specs:
-Manual RWD (standard) 480PS
-Auto RWD (Comp) 510PS
-Auto xDrive (Comp) 510PS
@@whotf888 the facelift increased the power figure of the xDrive variant to 530hp
🎉
I think the wheels are pricy! Titanium and carbon fibre .
Should have got diamond cut alloy wheels..
They wanted carbon fib. wheels, alloys are the cheapest and least rigid wheels lol
It's all fun and games till you park too close to the kerb.
most subtle advertisement (not)
Curious to know, what is your background? Do you have a university degree etc?
Plzzz Bugatti Chiron 🎉
318 like nothing. Push hard
GT350R had carbon wheels its nothing special. Either produce full carbon or get quality light alloys why risk it just to flex that you have a carbon barrel
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