The Gauntlet & Other Questionable BJJ Traditions - Kama Vlog
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2017
- Many schools have many ways to haze or reinforce their own jiu-jitsu traditions. Here's a few of the more odd ones.
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My coach lightly wraps our belt around necks and tugs for a second and says "This is your last time being choked as a white belt", takes our new belt and does the same "this is your first time being choked as a blue belt"
I like it, it's very peaceful and quiet.
When we get strips, you have to do a round robbin of 1 minute verse everyone in the gym that night.
that is the gayest thing I have ever heard
@@biggooba6706 my brother in Christ we willingly wrestle with and straddle half naked men & choke them with our thighs. This is the least sus thing about BJJ
@@DeclanHiggins__ no bro what you just said it hella gay and thats not even how I am using the term gay
Thats sexual
Dude your a credit to bjj. Guys like you are the reason I left judo for bjj.
Thank you 🙏
My instructor gets senior belts to do a little dance for the class if they're late... THAT'S an awesome tradition :) Seeing the guy who ruins you every time you roll do a little salsa wiggle never gets old.
Kinda cool but also stupid, I know ALOT of people who just wouldn't bother coming in that day rather than be late and dancing
i don't care if students come in late. we're all adults and all have reasons for being late. it's their journey; if they want to miss out on stuff, that's their decision. even if they come in late, they're still going to learn.
Exactly how it should be.
Steady Dipper Then they are not much of a martial artist
Good way to make sure a lot of guys won't show up in order to be subjected to that. I know I wouldn't.
It's funny when instructors in my academy are bowing to Helio picture to "respect" tradition and after that spend all time teaching how to score 2 points in competition and no time for self defence.
Just started training my gf. Broke down the Carlos/Helio/Bullshito academy differences...and brought up that point exactly. We learned with self defense being priority. Framing, sweeping, guard retention, etc. Not how to play the point game and shoot a heel hook right out of the gate
I'm laughing at these because in 19 years of Jiu Jitsu training, I've never understood half of them when I see people doing them. I get respect and tradition, but I've seen blue belt instructors at other gyms require people to address them as 'Master' (because their black belt coach states that all instructors at their gym are to be addressed as that), I've seen the over- oss-ing on mats, and the high amounts of bowing going on..... Again, get tradition and respect, but have never understood the NEED for it. My coach is one of Royce's first black belts (and he came up under Helio and the Gracie's too) and he doesn't make us do this. After I received my black belt in 2014, I've never asked anyone to call me anything else other than Ray (Coach if they're kids).
In my opinion, some coaches and schools suffer from a sense of needing to feel important and dominant over all who walk in their doors, and this is why they do it.
Great video, as always I look forward to them...... Osssssss ;-)
i agree with everything you said, Professor Ray.
Osssssss!!!
I also reiterate the other people that have replied to you. At the gym that I train at, no one is above anyone else. The higher belts do, by earning it, have respect shown to them, but just as much respect as the person that just walks in the door for their first class is shown. Respect is automatically given and in turn reciprocated back. We do however, as customary to our gym, bow in and off the mats, towards our training parters and towards our instructor before and after lessons (at the same time the instructor will bow to the students at the same time). In my opinion a good balance of tradition and respect. #customarybutoverlyjitsOSS lol
'What should i call you?'
'Anything you want'
'Okay Master Ryan'
'Hey no, i'm not yet anywhere near being. Amaster. Call me anytning you want, but don't call me master'
'Okay Grandmaster Ryan'
😂 you’re killing me!
LMFAO!!!
I never liked the: "tap snap or nap" motto, especially the snap part, Evan if your partner doesn't tap or is being stubborn I feel it's best just to let go and keep the roll going, but also proactively talk to them and educate them that taping is a way to keep them safe so they don't get hurt. what's the point of snapping someone's arm in training? What if that person works construction the next day and can't use their arm now and loses their job?
+poeguru88 EXCELLENT example and point made!
poeguru88 I think this motto is great if you are talking about a real fight or a sportive competition
+César Alves I see what your saying, I think anybody that competes better know when to tap.
As far as real life....things can get more sticky; breaking someone's arm or choking someone out in many cases doesn't solve the conflict but can perpetuate the problem,,what if the person who's arm you just broke knows where you live and decides to get retribution on you when you least expect it? Or a loved one? Everyone has the God given rite to defend their life in a real life situation but be aware and careful in every situation as well.
poeguru88 this mottos never really implemented in training, trainings specifically to get better, not to hurt your training partner, any gym that takes pride in their teaching would kick someone out as soon as they saw something like that. That motto is for competition or an actual fight.
@@poeguru88 well in that case, the guy may decide to take revenge on you even if you don't snap his arm. And in that case he will have one more arm to help him get his revenge. It's all good to avoid conflict, but once the fight is on... It's on.
Great information! It toughens you up, what doesn't break you makes u stronger.
Thanks for this video, addressed most of the things that take place in my facility that never had any explanation.
At my school we are all on a first name basis, 37 years in the martial arts and 22 in GJJ and everyone still calls me Brian. Never wanted to be called anything else. I don't get the oss thing either, makes you sound dumb. The gauntlet is useless, never understood the point of it. The only real tradition we have in my school is a birthday roll. Every year for your birthday you roll the entire class and move to a new partner every 5 minutes with a 5 minute break somewhere in the middle. Just a good time to show you that even as you get older if you stick to the principles of JJ you can push yourself pretty far. Its a confidence booster. As the students move up in rank and obviously get older they find that it gets easier with better technique and a better mindset as far as energy efficiency.
+BlackDaggerJitsu sounds like a great time at your school!
Ya that Oss nonsense isnt even from Jujitsu. Its practiced by certain styles of Japanese and modern Okinawan karate. Specifically Shotokan or any of JKA and WKF ryu. Its not from Judo, Jujitsu, or traditional Okinawan Karate. It makes the dojo feel like a football game, or like gang rollcalling lol
The Birthday roll sounds like a great tradition!
@@biggjuicy1982 no idea where Oss is from. shito ryu, myself
Jiu-jitsu is Tactical Hugging. So that "Brazilians are huggers" statement tracks.
I like your content! I wish more bjj schools had this attitude! Seems like Rickson's students are much more grounded and closer to the people (Osiander, too).
I train in Sin Moo Yu Sool Kwan (Hapkido and Judo fusion), so we have both Korean and Japanese traditions we follow. Only 4th Dan and higher are addressed as Master. 3rd Dan to white belt we always address Mr., Mrs., or Ms. . Like most schools we bow on and off the mats facing the direction of the American flag. We always bow to our partners before training techniques. When training newaza, before the session we do a kneeling bow. 10th Dan is addressed as Sunsanim (similar to Grandmaster). We use Japanese terms when doing randori or drills. We have a picture of both Dr. Kano and Dojunim Ji Han Jae. Sunsanim always incorporates the histories of both arts into our lessons, so we learn about the founders and cultural contexts of the techniques. All in all we get a well rounded exposition to the heritage of Hapkido and Judo and samplings of traditions from both arts.
Asking a higher belt to roll has been sacrilegious in some schools. I don't really know why.
+Mike Bowser I forgot that one!!!
I'm new to this martial art that seems weird to me. Like that's the best way to learn is being challenged by somebody better than you. You know like if you're new you're not going to learn from someone else's new. I'm not saying you walk up to the black belt like let's go, but what's wrong with walking up to a Blue belt like hey can you help me figure out an armbar from guard. But I guess I'm really looking out because my BJJ School is actually a part of my powerlifting gym. So we're all on two teams with the same people so you can just walk up like hey can you help me drill this I don't understand regardless of belt.
It is like a challenge.
I agree. I usually drop into a school on vacation and ask what their rules are because my professor is really relaxed. I heard that one for the first time and then they said we go by bjjf rules and asked if I knew what that was... I wanted to say boring that's what that is, but just said yes.
coolerintext drilling is different than rolling. The reason you don’t ask a higher belt to roll is because you won’t get anything out of the roll. You are wrong about not learning from other new people. You drill the moves and then roll with other newbies, that is how you learn.
Another great video!. My son's academy has a nice traditional vibe to it, without being overbearing. Its very neatly arranged with the business desk in front, There is a display case with some BJJ pics and medals in front, along with some Gis. One wall has nicely framed action shots of BJJ matches, plus the Schools curriculum. At he back is the school logo on the wall flanked by the US and Brazilian flags. The wall above the Mat has the original founder of GB flanked by the current head of GB and the professor that owns the school ( head instructor).
I really like that the walls aren't covered with all kinds of ads/ posters. etc. They bow when entering or leaving the mat, and the pre-class line up is not formal, its just to get everyone in line to start jogging.
After class all the black belts ( addressed as Professor fall in to the right of the head instructor. The class liners up by seniority with the Sr Belts to the Left.
The Professor may make a few comments about how well the class went, say something encouraging, or present stripes if earned. The class will bow to the picture of the founder, then the instructors and students bow to each other and the class files by the professor(s) exchanging handshakes and hugs. They peel off at the end so the line so everyone has a chance to shake everyone's hand..
I feel its just the right amount of tradition and camaraderie.
In judo (or at least the club I go to) when you pass a rank at the end of class you get thrown by everyone starting with the instructors going down the ranks. Makes a little more sense as a gauntlet.
As for the tying your belt while facing away from the inside of the matt, I think it's a cultural thing. I remember hearing the dojo is considered a sacred space in shinto, hence the bowing to the dojo as you enter and leave.
The term OSS comes from the japanese military academy, used as an acknowledgement like "yes sir" and can also be used as a greeting. traditional Japanese martial arts schools would often employ a military like structure, so it is commonly used in styles like karate and judo.
Actually, I heard the Osu came from Japanese martial arts schools affiliated with right-wing groups in Japan, mainly involved in breaking up strikes post-WWII - mainly Kyokushinkai Karate and Yoshinkan Aikido. Those styles had reputations for being "hard-core" so after a while, Osu kind of filtered out to other martial arts schools, groups, etc. that wanted to be "hard-core".
OSU no seishin look it up and ull find the answer
And the military thing might have some truth to it becoz u cannot say OSU in an okinawaain dojo
Okinawan Karate does not use this term, and I refuse to use it also.
Ya Its not used by any traditional Okinawan dojo, or any Judo dojo that I know of. Only Japanese Shotokan, and the JKA, and some of WKF dojo do it.
Its soo cool watching this before and after starting training. It greatly helped me choose my coach and this way of life. I'm hurting in soo many places and I have a rash but I'm counting down the minutes til I can do it again tonight. Professor Ryan thank you soo very much for your channel. You helped me soo much.
Glad I could help, Cameron!
Great channel. I really enjoy the history, interesting stories, philosophy, and the like. Not only is Gracie JJ the best martial art, but it’s story is worth telling.
Thank you!
I been through it. I don't personally have an issue with it. Its not like anyone gets hurt. If you can make it through a single class you have already endured more pain than the gauntlet. We bow onto the mat and off as well as at the start of class. Students typically line up by rank. We also shake hands and hug. There is a large poster of Helio on the wall but it's just there out of respect. We also do the pushups if the student does not stand in base.
of course, but what if they're Windows 10 users?
Beat them extra hard or take pity on them...lol
Oss comes from Osu which is a common greeting in Japanese martial arts. Some claim Carlson Gracie jr started it. The Gauntlet was started by Chris Haueter in his younger years at the Machado Academy while the brothers where away filming movies or something. He started it as a rite of passage based on the hazings he endured while serving in the military. Since that time he's said it was something from his days when he was young and dumb and has seen it get out hand.
Our tradition is me in a white belt getting choked out
iLandjive CNMI 😂😂
I did the gauntlet when i was at a carlson gracie school, when i switched it stopped. We only bow and place our hand over your heart to the American flag hanging. No one bows to me just a hand shake, i tell ppl to just call me by my first name but they call me prof instead or sensei. We say "oss" or "osu" when we acknowledge a technique being taught and all at once with a hand clap. Only line up with belt stripes or belt promotions. Very laid bck academy playing music during training...
yeah, i heard the music on one of your videos. good stuff!
Yeah lol... i always tell ppl, i dont wear my black belt outside of the academy, im just a citizen getting by... besides fundamentals and concepts are universal if a blue belt has our (GM Rickson Gracie) pressure game concepts for sure they will work against those not familiar with that old style of jiujitsu...regardless of rank..
Birthday Roll.,
Line up(hand shake n buddy hug) .
That’s all in the Dojo where I train .
I’m a 36 year old 4th degree white belt in the Kioto system under Prof. Milton Regis. We would never do the gauntlet. However, it is tradition for Grand Master Mansor to sweep you once you are promoted. It’s always great.
Us at Kioto bow when we enter the mat, and when we leave the mat. Always towards the highest ranked instructor on the mat at the time. This is a tradition that is very much instilled throughout Kioto. I actually thought it was done everywhere, and assumed it was a tradition passed down from Grand Master Helio. Could come from Master Mansor’s Judo background.
Anytime I see Master Mansor, I refer to him as “Master”, as does everyone. When I see my professor, I always address him as such.
Training with GM Mansor is a bucket list item for me.
We do the gauntlet at our school, in my opinion it’s generally really fun and brings the academy together. It builds community, and gives something to laugh at later. You are allowed to run though, and generally only get hit in the back, and it’s just a fun thing to do to bring everyone together. We don’t implement the bowing thing, but I could see how it could help in let’s say kids classes, in giving them discipline in a sense and whatnot.
We did this in the karate class i used to go to, but we did it in the birthdays instead of belt ceremonies everyone from the our teacher to the new guy, everyone did it on their birthday. It was fun.
Good stuff, thanks
I grew up in Rio and I trained Jiu Jitsu as a teenager for 4 years (early 90s)...I actually trained with a black belt from the Luiz Franca/Fadda lineage. I moved to the US 14 years ago and I now train in CT.
- Bowing was a sign of respect to the Dojo and we always did before entering and exiting the mat. Also before we rolled.
- Oss - I remember saying OSS as a way of saying "okay" or "I understand" or even as a sing of respect to your fellow student or sensei.
- Professor: I don't recall us calling our instructors "professor"...we always called them "Sensei" (which is the same thing). Also, I used to see a lot people call a 5th or 6th degree black belt "mestre"...
- Gauntlet: That did not happen in our school, we actually did throw downs (the higher belts would give you a judo throw down after you received your new belt). That was our tradition.
I think that some of these traditions got carried over from Kodokan Judo (at least in Rio)...we actually used spend hours training Judo as a complement to our BJJ game...now you barely see people doing throw downs (which is a shame). But anyway, that's another conversation right?
Keep up with your videos sensei. I like them a lot. Oss
as our school tends to attract an older (professional-type) demographic, we don't do as much hard judo as i like. however with our kids and juniors, the judo portion of our curriculum is very prominent. i'm glad you got to experience the learning you did. i'm sure your abilities in our art are broad and well-rounded.
Thank you. It make sense on the older demo. I am glad you guys teach the judo portion of the curriculum to your kids.
+D M really would love to, but adults tend to quit altogether if there’s too much judo in a JiuJitsu school. Occasionally, or a little bit every day works well, though.
Just started BJJ last week. Astounding to me how CHILL the vibe is. Been doing martial arts 40+ yrs. It's like culture shock to not do the whole asian paramilitary-esqe line up, bowing, yes sir, sensei, rituals and traditions. If you didn't show respect in our school, you got hurt. Funny thing is, I'm sure that's the case in my new BJJ school too. It's just a totally different culture and I'm deeply intrigued, and learning this new system is the most fun I've had in years.
Fun breeds more desire to learn.
Discipline in BJJ comes in other forms.
I guess we do the “gauntlet” differently- the promoted person has to roll with everyone there, which is usually everyone at class plus all the affiliated schools’ coaches and students who are invited. Lasts a LONG time.
Our academy has the basics you mentioned. Pictures of the founders, and we do bow before/after class and rolls with partners. So glad we don’t have the gauntlet. We just congratulate them.
Personally I like to do some time of quick hug after rolling/sparring. To me, it seems to reinforce we are here to train not “win” and reinforces closeness.
I have seen the gauntlet as well as, bowing at Royce Gracie affiliated schools
We did this in my karate class but for everyones birthday. Really fun, we were all good sports about it.
I bow when I'm in the gym, but I do come from a Kyokushin Karate background so I'm near enough used to bowing really.
Mostly because we've never functioned out of permanent locations-- we have- but we just never got around to it :-) The gauntlet- similar to picking up a stripe at Camp LeJeune, NC in 1984.
Been training in Japan for the last 5 months and I saw one pretty brutal belt promotion. Instead of a guantlet or a line that you walk or run down they make you kneel in a bowing position protecting your head and then people take turns whipping you. That day there was like 25 or so people too.
If done right, I feel like it's a warriors passage. Many of us carry scars that life will give us. The gaunlet can be a way of saying, "This is what I do now, I can make it through."
My academy does the gauntlet, but the head instructor always says no one has to do it if they don't want to, or feel uncomfortable. I believe the Valente Brothers practice it, believe it is about humility and also a reminder that Jiu Jitsu is a fighting art. I think I can see both sides, pro and against.
8:20 OSS is a term used in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) and other martial arts circles as a way of greeting and demonstrating respect to others.0 It is derived from the Japanese term 'Onegai Shimasu', which is a polite invitation like "Please, if you will", or 'Oshi Shinobu', which roughly means "persevering when pushed" or "enduring under pressure"; values that are very much in line with the tradition of the Asian martial arts. OSS was originally used exclusively in the martial arts to invite a training partner to practice, yelled to invoke one's ki ('vital energy' or'spirit') before an attack or combat.
Ok I am not in a Jiu-Jitsu school but I can tell you my experiences. we were required to address the sensei as such in almost every sentence. Yes Sensei, thank you Sensei etc. bow before entering and leave the room and mat. If you were thrown and got angry you were asked to leave. Also had to say 3 sentences in Japanese at the start of every class it’s been a long time but it was thanking your Sensei for sharing his knowledge or something along those lines, also counting in Japanese when doing pushups or katas
Lol. Fun.
This was very informative I've been doing no gi since 2017 and just started doing gi back in April, though I am still in white belt mode I actually witness the gauntlet a couple of times and always seemed uneasy about that "tradition". Plus it's the fact that I'm African American and some seeing and doing it seems cool to some to me it really made me cringe. I said I would rather stay a one stripe white belt than get to a high rank and get basically hazed. I'm always about getting my skill set right learning and getting better plus stay healthy,thanks for this video you answered a lot of questions I've been thinking,Thanks Ryan!!!! Peace!!!! ✌🏿
We bow at Renzo's in NYC and Brooklyn, and it's a pretty loose school in regards to "traditions" outside having high competive teams.
In jiu-jitsu they count and then clap after a new technique is taught before we go practice it. They also slap hands then fist bump before and after a roll, and at the end of class we all go through and shake hands instead of holding arms and hugging (shoulder check + arm wrap) Lol. I thought a Professor was someone who had a black belt in three different martial arts? I used to try to get all the titles right because you have earned them through years of hard work...but I watch a lot of videos, trained in a couple different disciplines and I get mixed up because I just haven't been training long enough to get it right. I do make a point of knowing and using my direct instructors proper title but most of the rest I call by whatever I'm introduced to them as. (Unless they introduce themselves) I respect all of you immensely. Your knowledge, your dedication to your art and especially the positive you put into the world. I don't understand why new students are expected to guess that they should help clean. Why doesn't someone just tell them and explain why...then sure expect it but if you don't tell them or in my case one class doesn't do it because the instructor does it himself so I didn't ask in the second class even though we did it in my old school then felt like crap when I was always leaving early and everyone stayed only to find out they were cleaning and I looked rude...just tell people what they should know...i try to be very respectful but I'm just socially awkward and I have so much anxiety around people that I don't pick up simple ques because I'm busy over thinking a million other things. So I'm never going to "get it" then I'm going to feel worse because I can tell they are upset about something but can't figure out what the something is. So I stop going to class for example and all I had to do was wash the blasted floor. Tell me what you expect of me them if I don't do it that's different but don't make me feel bad because I can't figure out something I was never told. Like Osss and Hai. Male and female. Or in some cases, not mine, that begginers shouldn't talk. Look I really do respect all of you....but I am paying to be taught. I'm not paying to guess and not be allowed to speak. I don't have a lot of money so the fact that I chose to give it to you means I value what you have to say. Don't make me guess I'm not going to get it right. I'm too damaged for that.
In my club, I do find using "oss" as a useful way of focusing student's attention back to the class. Or sometimes using "oss" at the end of a sentence, to remind them they're here to train. Seems to work well, specially amongst younger students.
Whatever works!
Being from a traditional background originally, I can chime in on the "OSS" thing. It comes from the actual Japanese word "Osu" but it's pronounced without the "u" phoneme, as "OSS". While there a few versions of the word's origin, it basically comes down to a matter of context rather than actual meaning. While rather over-used as a matter of context by the English speaking crowd, I know in Japan and Okinawa you're inferring that you understand and you're ready to train and endure whatever hardship that comes along with it. So it's considered more of a, for the lack of a better term, masculine statement. Considering a traditional environment training situation, the more appropriate term to use inside an Okinawan dojo would simply be, "Hai" .. as in yes. You just implied that you understood and ready to do the command. So while it's overused here and the context loose at best, it's correct to say for the purpose most people use it. But would be considered for the most part ... overkill in a traditional environment. But, nothing wrong at all with using is if that's what you prefer to do in your school.
still usually bow when I walk in the door/leave the dojo. and try to turn if possible and fix my gi - just 'training scars' from karate
The gauntlet at my school is similar to the round robin from other styles; roll with five different opponents for a minute each.
Love your videos
Thank you.
I wouldn't participate in the gauntlet. At my school we had a shark tank, but to me this wasn't hazing. It taught me a lot about how hard I can push myself.
What is a shark tank ?
It used to be the norm in my school, but now it's optional for the exact reasons you stated. There's absolutely no pressure to do it, and as strange as it sounds, it's something that you volunteer for. The very first promotion I saw involved a whipping, and I looked at it as just a bit of fun, and hoped that one day I would be good enough to be the one getting whipped. So when promotion time came round I asked for it. Everyone had fun, and the smacks sound a lot worse than they feel. So for me I'm happy getting the belts, but I understand others may not be. Each to their own.
Keep up the great vids, I listen to them in the can all the time.
Damn auto correct, I meant I listen to them in the car, not on the can. 😁
Funny! I’m replying to you in the can right now!
Damn autocorrect. I mean in the can.
I’ve trained at Kron’s school and after every class we bowed at Grandmaster Helio.. It’s respect to the roots of Gracie Jiu Jitsu. This guy obviously been training so long that he feels like a Gracie, even if your with Rickson so much that you feel like family.... ALWAYS give Helio RESPECT ✊
Why? A mediocre judoka in his days, who engaged in attacking one of his opponents with iron bars, three to one. He'll never have my respect.
are you referring to the Rufino DosAnon situation? were you there? wait, you can go back to the newspapers of the day that reported on the whole thing. what do they say?
Kama Jiu-Jitsu not sure where he got his information from?? I heard of some situations back then in Brazil 🇧🇷 with the family But that’s “family business” no judgement on my part. ALL Do Respect to the WHOLE Gracie family no matter what branch you hang from!!
Keep it Real-Keep it Playful
Henrik G give me the link to where you got that information?? Where you there?
i received my bluebelt under UFC Fighter JOE DADDY STEVENSON at Dan Hendersons AFC gym in Temecula, walked the gauntlet twice back and forth... its not as bad as it sounds.. training and rolling to get the blue was much harder .. IMO.... UFC heavyweight Jared Vanderaa is a coach there too and he didn't hold back at all. it is what it is... i didnt mind it.
I agree with everything and since I do Tae Kwon do and Jiu-Jitsu. One thing in Tae Kwon we do is turning back way from flag when we putting belt on . The reason is showing the respect to flag similar when anthem is going on people stand up and put there hand on heart . Similar showing respect . Is it important well on one side is good for kids learning respect but is that need it . We all have different opinions about that . It matter how we look it that .
i feel like.. bowing is important.. still keeps the art component.. I hope that bowing doesn't die and a tradition we can continue to pass on.. =)
We had a seminar with a Brazilian instructor and asked him about traditions, one that he told us was (back in Brazil) NEVER show the bottoms of your feet when listening to the instructor like when learning technique. I've heard not being allowed to wear anything other than a white gi until you get your blue belt. We bow on and off the mat. We only wear white to regular basis class (Any color on our Sunday rolling only class) One that we do is for our 2nd stripe on white belt, you roll for an hour straight with ONLY colored belts, a new person every 10 minutes. (purpose is to use technique and not strength). Just to name a couple of ours.
Bowing 🙇 and saying Osu, is part of numerous Japanese martial arts, such as Kyokushin Karate, Ashiharakaikan Karate, Seidokaikan Karate, Enshinkaikan Karate, as well as many others. It is a term uttered before and at the conclusion of class, also during instructions from teacher to student, to acknowledge what has been asked of them to do.
No different to in allot of American Karate schools and so forth, when the students say yes sir or yes ma'am, to their instructors, depending on their gender. It has nothing to do with being in a cult.
We are serious and disciplined in class during our training, nevertheless we have a friendly chat, a joke and a social gathering with our instructor! I do respect your more typically relaxed, Brazilian jiu-jitsu demeanour, when it comes to etiquette and social interaction at your academy. I would say the Gracies have incorporated their more friendly, casual manner, into their martial arts style. Nevertheless the vast majority of other martial arts, come from the East, be it Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, etc. In those Asian cultures, Confucian social etiquette prevails and it is a common integration into the conduct of martial arts!
I am not saying in Brazilian jiu-jitsu or other non Asian in origin martial arts such as Capoeira, Savate, Sambo, boxing and so forth, should also be the case! I am just pointing out, where such practices emanated from, in regards to their cultural origins. In Japanese culture it is common to bow, though of course people do not say Osu, to each other on the street, or at banks, shops, hospitals, etc, when interacting with each other. As for the hitting with the belt so called ceremony, procedure or practice. That I agree has nothing to do with the actual practice of martial arts. Those are some weird custom practices, introduced by who knows who. In Australia in some Kyokushin Karate schools, for some bizarre reason, newly tested black belts, upon their completion, used to be tied up and covered in rubbish. That was wrong, as in Japan or other countries, such stupid so called traditions do not exist.
All in all how formal or informal your martial arts systems is, when it comes to discipline, how to address your masters, instructors, seniors, bowing or not bowing. All comes down to how traditionally your martial arts style is, be it formal or informal, also once again depending on the cultural background of your art. Osu! 👍 ☺ ✌
I practice ribeiro jiu jitsu and they make us bow before getting on and off the mat. We also line up 7 In a row, higher belts on the right, and bow to the instructor and then turn and bow to carlos and helio Gracie's portraits.
That’s a lot of bowing.
@@KamaJiuJitsu yeah
I had bruises on my thigh for a week. I was actually proud of it but it hurt like hell.
Professor does a throw on anyone getting stripped or belts. Informally, every roll begins with a five AND a fist bump. Must be both, in that order.
Kyokushin guys do the "oss" just as a catch all term, like okay, yes, thank you and so on.
During sparring or open mat if two pairs are starting to run into each other the pair that has the highest ranked person gets to stay put and the other pair has to move a way.
+seandavidr that happens here, too, but I think it’s more of an unspoken thing.
We never had no sneezing on the mat, but yawning was a push up offense.
I agree about not letting kids do it, the shit hurts. Had a cracked rib when I got my blue belt and the gauntlet certainly didn't help the situation
My gym did the gauntlet, it doesn't hurt and it's all in fun
The turning to the back of class to fix gi or belt might have been added by people who crosstrained in Korean arts. I was assistant instructor at 2 different Hapkido, and TKD schools from different orgs, and both made students turn, kneel, fix their belt/dobak, then stand and turn back to front of class. Even though I was a black belt instructor there, I still felt ridiculous making people do it. I've never seen that practiced by any other cultures or arts so far lol
My BJJ instructor will throw us at the end of class where we get a promotion. He'll tie our new belts on and then do a Judo-style hip-throw. He adds a lot of wrestling and Judo techniques to our curriculum and he seems to have borrowed the throw from what judokas do when they give promotions. We practice a lot of breakfalls at our club, so it is testing our breakfalls I guess.
When i was young i was the king of pushups because my teacher thought id learn but instead i just got strong i still learnt but i enjoyed doing pressups more than learning P.S this was math class lol
The turning your back when tying your belt is another real common karate and quite possibly due to tradition a lot of Japanese and Okinawan martial arts for that matter so that's probably where it came from
It's a military thing. We did this in the Army, too. When you're fixing your uniform in formation, you about-face and fix yourself. The practice probably originated in Western militaries, and was adopted by the Japanese when they modernized.
I trained at an academy where prior to the start of class when the black belt instructor stepped onto the mat usually the highest raking student had to call out loudly “black belt on the mat” and everyone would have to line up and greet the instructor and shake his hand. Then we would line up and now in.
Geez, talk about an ego.
Sounds like the army, when you someone sees the god damn CSM walking into the DFAC and calls at ease.
My first contact with martial arts was Judo. Even when it wasn't extremely formal, it still had its traditional customs, like bowing, not walking in front of the line of students or things like that. So, when I first went to a BJJ class (the very first academy in my country (not even an academy, but a rented space in a gym) I remember these guys warming up with brazilian rap as the background and I was like WTF!! I loved it! Just so casual, focused in the techniques and not wasting any time in protocols. I was amazed.
About making a kid to walk through the Gauntlet... I can't believe it. *Facepalm.
I agree 100% with you on this one. Very stupid tradition that make no sense.
With respect to the word "oss", it apparently was introduced by Carlson, that's why just some people say it. I actually identify the lineage of an academy just by that.
top 3 least favourite: 3. 'oss', 2. the gauntlet, 1. the term 'professor' for black belt instructors
Oss is good. Better than ass
Osu! Comes from traditional martial arts, i don't know how long it's existed there though. When i did karate you would shout 'osu' as a spirit shout, and 'kiai' at the final strike in the combination.
I did do some reading to try and find out where it comes from and it seems to come from basically slang for either 'onegaishimasu' (please/i beg of you)and/or 'ohayogozaimasu' (hello)
We used to say it for respect also, but it didn't really have an explicit meaning it was sort of a multiuse tool. Bu from what i gather it comes from Japanese colloquial slang. I remember reading something about it bein used in the military as a sign off word or something as well but i can't quite remember
Blue belt now. Dreaming of having a school one day.
Oh that was what i saw!
I thought someone was getting punished, i was so confused.
In judo we have a more sane and logical tradition (idk how prominant it s in other dojo though) where if someone earns their dan grade we line everybody up on the edge of the mat in grade order and starting from the lowest grades to highest grades each person steps out and does randori with the new black belt (just so he tired by the time he fights the good ones).
I thought you were about to describe something similar then suddenly 'everyone whips your arse!'
We do the gauntlet twice a year but we run through the gauntlet and hardly get hit by the belt plus we only smack each other lightly on the butt we are all a big family and don’t want to hurt each other honestly since no one gets hurt I kinda look forward to running through it
At my gym we use to do the gauntlet on people’s birthday but when they stopped coming on their birthday my instructor stopped doing it .
smart decision to take the hint and end it. everyone wants to be recognized on their b'day. no one really wants to be whipped on that day as a "present," though.
The one tradition I Remember learning in jujistu, was when we werent paying attention to are coach he had me do wall sits (horse stance) against a wall for 3 mins.
was this when you were a kid?
@@KamaJiuJitsu teenager 13-17
yeah, i see that happening in a kids class.
Im from a Machado school and we have gauntlet. Maybe it started w them.
The OSU thing as far as I know comes from Kyokushin Karate. Yeah it's wierd for Jiu-Jitsu.
Really wish I could train with you sir. I'm in Australia though and haven't left judo yet but will do soon though..
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While I did get some marks from mine and as long as it's not mandatory I wouldn't trade my blue belt gauntlet for anything.
And since I was in Tae Kwon Do earlier the informality of BJJ drives me crazy and bowing just makes sense. The whole fist bumpy huggy thing is extremely awkward and almost uncomfortable to me at times.
Oss is annoying..
Everyone's already said everything, so I'll drop some trivia. A bit of history on the actual historical Gauntlet:
The Landschneckts were elite mercenary soldiers in Rennaissance Era Germany. When one of their ranks was put to death, they would run them through the Gauntlet.
The entire company would line up, Pikes/Halberds in hand, and the condemned would be forced to walk/run through while apologizing out loud. Everyone would also apologize out loud to him, and give him one stab as he passed by. Of course no one ever made it through.
This practice was revived in militaries for people who make rank. Usually in the form of punching the shoulders to "press in" the ranks. I'm guessing BJJ took this tradition from a modern military?
Turning your back to fix your belt/uniform is also an older military tradition. Probably adopted by Japan from the US/British Military when they modernized. And from there, it just spread to various Japanese-origin(or inspired) martial arts.
We all line up when the professor is showing a new technique just so we can see the move. Plus we line up at the end of class and shake everyone’s hand
The turn away to fix the belt comes from Karate/TKD. Apparently it’s seen as disrespectful to fix your uniform while facing the instructor so you’re supposed to turn around. 🤷🏻♂️
a tradition in my judo club on reaching black was to do a one minute line up with everyone, starting with the lowest grade. did you ever do any combat games. in our club we played piggy in the middle on all fours, a right hoot
The what to call people confused me for years. Now to me all black belts are professor and the only people I call coach is my home gym instructor's. I travel a lot and this seems to be ok everywhere I have been.
hi Professor Ryan, thanks for the videos and for the open mind to start good conversations about Jiu Jitsu. I'm a blue belt in Gracie Barra in Botucatu-Brazil, and we don't have gauntlets here, but several other schools here adopt some "good manners" inside the gym or "dojo" wich has a bit bigger meaning that just a place that we go train. These called "good manners" such as bowing to the instructor/professor as we enter the mat , tying our belts facing the wall (this one, I believe, is about being polite to whoever is watching the class or just passing in front of the school that shouldn't have to see you tying your pants and belt , maybe like someone closing a zipper after leaving the bathroom...) in my opinion , help to develop a mindset for when you enter the gym, puts all the practioners in the same frequency . How do you guys organize before the class begins and are the students allowed to arrive late or just for the rolling sessions? do yo line up before warming up?
thanks again.
keep up the good work
thanks for the comment!
for most things, we are very informal. to us, tying your belt where you are at any given time is not bad manners. let's say you and i are training and after you tap me, you notice your belt is untied. what's worse, you tying your belt right then and there and we resume training, or you getting up, walking to the edge of the mat to face the wall, walking back to me, and then resuming training? i'd rather you just not tie your belt in the first place, if you're going to go through all that trouble. but then, you're now training without your belt on, which is a little messy...
we don't "organize" before we start class. whoever is leading the class will just call out, "let's get started!" and the will begin the warmup, which is started by us running a couple laps around the mat to "get the blood flowing."
we generally start class a few minutes late to allow those running late to not be late. for those who come really late, we don't restrict them in any way, i.e. lock the door and keep them out. our thoughts on this are 1) if you come late, the only one who suffers is you, since you're missing out on the entire workout 2) some people show up late simply because their schedule doesn't allow them to be at class right on time (work ending + traffic, for example), 3) you're the customer, and if you're one to take your training so lightly so as to show up late, that's up to you (if you don't care, why should i, right?).
thank you for the answer! I agree with this informal way to do things, we have some traditions here as i wrote before but not as strict as it may seem, specially about tying the belts and such, I felt that i needed to explain why these traditions are still passed on by BJJ professors. The way you guys are doing seems to informally create the discipline and that should be the natural way for people to get interested and to go deeper into JJ , not focusing only in old traditions.
"you're the customer, and if you're one to take your training so lightly so as to show up late, that's up to you (if you don't care, why should i, right?)." sounds about right!
I never got the Oss thing. We never did it at my first gym. Then everyone was doing it at my 2nd. I was like where did this come from? It doesn't even mean anything. I did a lot of traditional martial arts too and we never said anything resembling that in those where respect was such a big part of it.
It’s actually Japanese...it’s like saying yes. Essentially, but it’s actually derogatory in traditional martial arts. it stemmed more from Japanese karate having done some deeper research. Okinawans say Hay (Hai) I may be incorrect on spelling. Why it’s become a thing in bjj idk. I see it as the “roger, got it” I used In the army.
The gauntlet, or having everyone line up to choke or throw the person who just got promoted, is a stupid tradition and I am glad to see people speaking out on it and other such things. All it is is hazing, nothing more. It ruins what is supposed to be a joyous occasion and one of accomplishment. Haven't those people earning rank already proven their dedication and toughness on the mats? If so, what is to be gained by something like that? If not, then perhaps your standards aren't high enough for promotion. Either way, this is a stupid thing to do.
What advice would you have for someone out of BJJ game for 10 years. Been trying to find another Rickson Gracie/Pedro Sauer branch of BJJ (honestly just like their approach to the art), but unfortunately the Anibal Lobo affiliate here in the PNW shut down after Covid and all my town has are "MMA Gyms" with loose grappling structures and more based on ring and cage fighting. BJJ was a huge part of my life and even helped drag me out of some pretty intense suicidal depressions. I loved training, LOVED TEACHING EVEN MORE. I'm 36 years old and have aspirations to open a non-profit BJJ school for those battling mental health and addiction, but I feel the art may have passed me by. Any advice or maybe even an opinion on my future endeavors?
Train + do steroids
I like the sit in the middle and you have to wreslte everyone gauntlet.
those are fun... except for those sitting around...
@@KamaJiuJitsu Yes, i feel you on that one.
When my instructor got his black belt he had to roll the entire class for two hours. every minute he had a new student come in and roll this was while the rest of the class was rolling as well.
I think i speak for a lot of people when i say gauntlet... never. I'm surprised about the bowing and "oss", but I came from a heavy "martial arts" type school that took their roots back to traditional asian cultures. But the gauntlet.. for sure we can never do that one. Oh, and if someone forgot their ranked tshirt for muay thai... they got to wear a provided pink tshirt. that was a fair tradition.
My issue with the gauntlet is that these hazing rituals are supposed to show how tough you are to show that you belong in a group or at a level through your commitment. If you hadn't already demonstrated that, why would you be given a belt in the first place?
lineup is in order of rank highest ranking student at one end or assistant instructors up with the teacher
We hate that.
Its not for everyone.
As a 62 year old wanna be gangbanger whom has trained since 1973. Apache line are 2 lines of people that will beat the person going through gang initiation. In the 60's they would also dance and burn(make fun of to the beat of music) each other! I've been in the military since 17 then LE,retired at 50. I teach self control,respect and responsibility always focused on character development and family atmosphere.After 30 years of teaching and LE career. I still teach and train in NY and Fl. Locker vs Rockers 75 NYC.
I just began BJJ in January. I saw another gym doing that tradition of promotion and gauntlet. I was shocked. It's such a demeaning act.
I bow in my gym, but I’m in Japan. I don’t get it when they do it elsewhere, but whatever
The way i understand it for judo, at least at places I trained, the judo was stupid cheap but it was because it was more about preserving and passing on culture so there's a lot of japanese culture inherently taught in judo. The judo, but also, language, customs, etc. Is something you pick up as well. Show me a judoka holding any belt that can't count to 10 in Japanese
Oss, is a form of ‘yes’. In Japanese, a simple google tells ya that bud. But I’ve also been told it’s actually more disrespectful. Considering yes is Hay (Hai) and more respectful.
I've got my ass whipped in the gauntlet! So many bruises on my back side but it was an experience. Definitely not for everyone lol