If you want Greece to improve, it would probably help if the brain drain stopped, less migration within the EU would limit this problem. If you want change then be that change and go back to Greece and aim to improve it
I'm from Serbia, 34 years old. I work for a Belgrade office of a Swedish company and I am learning a little Swedish for fun (we use English at work, so I do not really need to know Swedish), but I have no plans so far to emigrate anywhere north as I would hate the weather and I would probably feel out of place for the rest of my life. If I were able to work remotely forever and choose a country to live in, Greece would be on top of my list.
@@rasbro87 Ziveo sam u Svedskoj 20 godina. Tamo sam i rodjen. U Beograd sam dosao pre godinu dana i ovo je bukvalno najlepsa zemlja na svetu, ovde ostajem. Idemooo
I live in Bosnia, the roads are horrible and the country is still scarred from the war, i love living in this small village but this country still has a long way to go untill it's good.
Bosnia will never recover its only getting worse bosnia will die one day thats its fate and then will be a war again for the teritory wich noone rules.
As a Latin-American, I'm always amazed at how similar our situation is, completely different country, continent, but the same exact problems, I didn't leave my country so I'm watching our conditions deteriorating each and every day, I also have some nightmares, mostly are good dreams of living here in a better condition, than I wake up and see that the nightmare is my reality, the good life is just a dream.
@@UlisesHeureaux Yeah, but these scenes he, video producer, is describing minus the war also applies to Brazil, seeing these images Makes me remind of my hometown back there, I moved from Brazil, situation is becoming even worse. And ethnic cleansing of course, we didn’t had such, at least not so clear cut and direct, one can say Paraguay war ended up being an ethnic cleansing , but it was more than two centuries ago.
I was shocked when the dude just "destroyed" the asphalt road with bare hands. Really puts u in perspective and appreciate the good life a safe and prosperous country provides you. Great video!
I am Bosnian that is living in one of the most prosperous cities in Western Germany and I do not fully agree with the picture that is presented in video. First Bosnia is post war and transitional country, it simply can not be compared with developed countries like Germany or Austria since economical gap is way too big. Yes infrastructure is bad and country is very poor, but you need to put that in context. Bosnian GDP grew 83% in last two decades, unemployment went from 40% to 15%. Salaries are after 30 years reaching prewar level and growing fast, this year 10%... For infrastructure Sarajevo and Zenica got highway bypasses that together cost 500+ million euros- such infrastructure objects were not possible to build there 20 years ago. Needs are so big for modern roads, railways, waste management etc. that it will still take decades to really improve with billions needed to invest, that is reality. Still some business areas are in huge expansion like banking, insurance, IT, tourism and foreign trade... Even in Germany there are pockets of poverty and depressed regions, it is not everywhere shiny and perfect and that is rule in every country. So bigger context is needed and balanced approach.
Thank you for your insights. I was hoping for this kind of information about Bosnia (and not just because it is more positive) when I searched for it on UA-cam. I have been hoping that the economic and social situation has improved enough to kee Bosnia stable, even as Serbia seems to be having an increase in nationalist activity. I'm not sure.... 15% unemployment is still high enough to leave many people feeling like they have no purpose or value in Bosnia. I guess we can keep hoping for improvement.
@@ems7623 yes unemployment is still pretty high, it will take 5-10 years to bring it down to more normal levels. Most of instability in Bosnia is imported, unfortunately country is right in the middle of geopolitical hot spot - very little can be done about it in short time.
After 10 years in germany i'm moving back to Albania. After everyday after work , going home i started asking myself 'for what?' . For what did i moved to Germany ? ( since i wasent hungry or homless in albania) . For what i'm making this sacrifice ( since i left family and friends behind ) and to be honest there was no satisfiying answer . It took me two years to prepare the ground , find a relativly normal job , an apartment and readiying the conditions . My contribution is that countries and politics are made by people and it takes a long time for them to change , longer than lifetimes and thats why each one of us should try to contribute in whatever way we can without being dissapointed when those changes arent immidietly visible , ''since Rome wasnt build in a day'' . Keep the good work, Friend . The best is yet to come for ballkan. There still are a lot of postive attributes to avarege ballkan community.
I can recommend you going into online business, most billionares live in germany, its easier than like 50 years ago to get wealthy/rich in germany. But I do understand the bad sides of germany its because of the incompetent and owned goverment
Well said. I been born to care for this country and im not even from it. I took it on my self to contribute to the betterment of peoples lives there. I see an impact already on a few peoples lives. Thank god
Im a romanian teen, and Germany may be one of the biggest regrets of mine. Im not starving, I wasnt starving in Romania either, but I have no clear hope here, or any future besides a school and workaholic.
Japanese and Korean mindset: "Let's study abroad and learn how the Westerners build their civilization, so we can build something even better!" Balkan mindset (from this video and comment section): "Damn those evil Capitalist Western Europeans, how dare you ruin my homeland! ... Paris and Berlin are nice btw, thank god I'm not in my backwater Balkan hometown."
As a german, have you ever been to east germany? We do have many towns with crumbling east german architecture, half overgrown and derelict. We also have a lot of small villages that dont have paved but cobblestone roads, or just dirt paths... many of those villages have crumbling buildings build before the first world war. What you tell of in the video are the big cities and their rich suburbs and industrial areas, but not the complete picture. And that mostly in the west or the south. Like Bavaria... Go north and east, the poorer the people get. And you can see that from the outside of their houses...
I'm Austrian and when I drive to Bavaria the roads tends to worsen. So I guess Austria overall has a different approach to money distribution within the federation.
@@attiladerhunne2998 No, thats what happens when communism goes away and capitalism doesn't want to invest into those regions, because no profit in sight
As a Filipino Nurse who has been working in the NHS for more than 3 years now, I can sympathize with the guilt of leaving your country. I spent 5 weeks in the Philippines last month and can't help but see, as you said, the stark difference in infrastructure and quality of life.
4:10 If u keep on driving for less than one kilometer more, youll get to to house i was born in.The road you are travelling on to Bosnia,i have myself travelled countless times as well.Every thought i have had during my travels,was one at a time discussed in this video.I dont know who you are man,but it really gets creepy at one point knowing so many people experience the same exact doom and gloom as you do.Everything just hits right in the feels fam. For those interested,the town i am reffering to is called Gradiška,and the specific part of the town shown on the video is called Kruškik.
9:02 You are welcome to visit the more rural parts of eastern germany especially in the sachsen anhalt region, cant really confirm the shiny facades and well maintained roads part.
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
@@spork861 the vid is obviously pro-communism, but get your history straight. None of the countries in the video were ruled by the soviet union except east germany.
The same with America, I invite you to visit Memphis, St. Louis, Chicago, Gary Indiana, Washington D.C, Atlanta, LA, Seattle, and every other major city. You will quickly notice it is a terrifying shit hole where you can lose your life in the blink of an eye over your shoes or simply walking down the wrong street (let alone money), not the fairytale land of milk and honey you have been shown via media and films.
I guess this is a similar feeling I have when I live in somewhere in the european union and go back to Turkey to see how horrible it has gotten since I left caused by corruption and economic crisis...
The war in Croatia is portrayed as if it began with the "expulsion" of Krajina Serbs in 1995, and there is no mention of how the war began in 1991 with the expulsion of cca 200,000 Croats and non-Serbs from Krajina and even more astonishingly no mention of how Republika Srpska and Banja Luka became so ethnically clean - by expelling and murdering 700,000 Bosniaks and 200,000 Croats. It is extremely ironic how the author makes commentary on what went wrong and that Croatia is marked "delusional" on the map in the thumbnail, when he is engaged in classic greater-Serbian, chetnik, unitary Yugoslav, "the Serbs were just defending themselves" or whatever other brand of Serbian chauvinism the author belongs to. Of course, coated in greavance for Serbs (and Serbs only, nobody else from former Yugoslavia) and faux objective analysis. Dear subscribers of this channel who are not familiar with the history of Yugoslavia, please understand you are not getting anything from this channel apart from the standard contemporary Serbian nationalist propaganda.
He showed a few empty houses and said expelling people from their homes is bad. How you mange to conclude that he is a chetnik from that is anyone's guess. At best you're proving his claim right about Croats being delusional.
It's a champagne commie living in an ivory tower in germany, explaining his 'fellow' downtrodden people how they should fight 'their revolution'. While I may be partial myself as a german, I can still find it ironic that he enjoys our spoils, yet detests us and our society so much.
@@KekusMagnus Nah, the guy cherrypicked what suits his agenda and left everything else out the window. I wouldn't go so far he is chetnik, but delusional Serb nationalist definitely.
Your video is a fine description of the situation of Balkans. In Greece it's more or less the same. Where I disagree is your analysis on the causes of that dissolution. Underneath the high Marxist analysis lies the implication that it's someone else's fault. Bad colonialists expoiting poor people getting their wealth traumatizing them, leading them into the current state of disintegration. The truth is people was doing that to each other all the time. The critique of exploitation you are presenting is a cultural product of those countries. We will never get over the anger , the guilt and the helplessness unless we take responsibility. The lost paradise of Yugoslavia is just an imaginary friend to go through hard times. I don't know how communities rebuild trust after civil war but I am pretty sure it takes time and small steps.
Yes..i know here is Serbia is enormous corruption ..but i would give 50%-50%..becase like now almost all companies ,banks etc from Yugoslav era now in west hands..and their only motive if profit ..so money they earn here go to central which is somewhere is west so much less money here..and on top off that that giant money go to corruption so you end with this ..infrastructure falling apart in most country..only keep in good condition busiest roads. I am in town off 150 000 people in central Serbia..and streets are worst ever..they are much worster then were in 90s when there was total sanction, there is no more urban planning so everywhere some new little buildings with 20-30 apartments totaly out place in streets where all rest is houses. Also Serbia loosing people like crazu...it lost 15% in 20 years
I strongly disagree, yes imperialism was and still is bad, but as you yourself said, Slovenia and Croatia (except that former Serbian part) look descend and nothing like Bosnia. Bro it's called corruption and a convoluted government, I mean you guys have 3 presidents. That just can't work smoothly
The worst thing about that Bosnian constitution is that everyone involved in putting it together KNEW that it was not going to be forever. It was a desperate attempt to put a stop to the violence and give Bosnians some peace and stability while they can grow an economy and perhaps find other things to focus on besides slaughtering each other. Everyone knows that a country with three entities and everything done in triplicate, for a nation divided into three parts (that are actually two entities) is a temporary transitional thing... But in order to move on to a better, long-term arrangements, Croatia and Serbia both need to have also decided to move on. Croatia has been doing that. Serbia absolutely has NOT. Until they do, Bosnia will always be on the verge of snapping back into conflict and violence. It is being held hostage by Serbian nationalist anger - some of which is being stoked, sadly, by Russian propaganda.
And he'd have a point if as an example he'd have used a country like the UK, but Germany and Austria are precise examples of economies that have prospered in disadvantageous conditions (two world wars), managed to do so without a wealth of natural resources and imperialism (imperial Germany was small fry in terms of colonialism and never made any money from its colonies). Both became nation states very late, and have had many ethnic conflicts to deal with. His observations are accurate, but the conclusions are utter bs. Blaming ethnic conflics on "the bourgeoisie" and the falling apart after the collapse of Yugoslavia on 19th century imperialism is utter bs.
@@whenisdinner2137 He cherry-pick and forgets Stalin also did ethnic cleansing , not based of bourgeoisie ideas, but collectivism, when he moved ethnicities from a country to another like they were cattle, and many died during said forced migration.
So it's not ethnic hatred and corruption, but global capitalism and imperialism that keep Bosnia back? This is just ridiculous. However, such a mindset may indeed explain why the situation does not change. If you always blame others and anonymous forces, then you can just lay back and do nothing to improve the situation. The reality is that small countries in Europe have better opportunities than ever before, including those that previously were poor and under foreign influence, such as Ireland or the Baltic states. However, the journey has to start in the minds of the people. If they prefer to blame others with big words such as "colonialism", "imperialism", and "exploitation", they will achieve nothing.
He also flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
As a person who actually lives here, in the so called decrepit hellhole of Bosnia, I find all of your points in the first half of the video to be completely blown out of proportion. My small city of 10k-ish people never has empty streets, the Café's and Restaurants are usually full, Not a single abandoned building that wasn't demolished in the entire town periphery. The roads aren't patched/have potholes, they are perfectly drivable on. There's no mass dump near garbage containers, nothing you speak about at great length in the first half of your video. Either you go home to one of the worst places in Bosnia or your view is blown out of proportion. No random litter in the Parks. I was in Germany when I was 14, I was underwhelmed when I came and it was all gray, dreary and rainy. We have color over here in Bosnia aswell, not that a condescending know-all diaspora would know.
I am a diaspora from Bosnia, I think there is quite a big difference between RS and FBIH, I visit Bosnia regularly but I am almost always in FBIH (Bihac, Travnik, Sarajevo, Mostar) to be honest it looks fine to me and I'd like to move back in 3-5 years. So yeah I think his image has SOME truth to it, but it is definitely blown out of proportion.
I seen both of your sides of the story. No one is 100% correct or wrong. It is all relative to the eye of the beholder and the perspective of both the beholder and the audiance. The question is more important on what contribution is put forth
i also live here and while it can sometimes be gray, in my city there is a lot of color, and whenever i see an abandoned building its usually when going on a trip, almost never in my city.
there are beautiful places in Germany w colorful houses next to mountain springs, or cities with ancient castles and defense walls. Lush hillsides with farms over them. I like that you like Bosnia but no need to bash Germany. If you've been there long enough you know there are rainy falls, tempered winters, unpredictable springs and warm, comfortable summers.
@@coolekikker4454 Yes, if you visit certain parts of big cities in Germany and western Europe generally that are full of non-european migrants, you will absolutely feel much better in every city of the former eastern block....
As an italian I can Say that the more south you go, the worse services such as infrastructure, ambulances, hospitals, higher disoccupation and a higher mafia presence. In the south tought the Life costs a Little bit less
Man , It's wrong and is a stupid comparation . I see people complain about Hungary , Romania , Italy , Croatia . Bosnia is totally isolated . This countryes from European Union had a better life and infrastructure than Bosnia . You can't compare the apples with the gold , for example . Go visit Bosnia , and after visit Romania , Hungary , Italy . You will have a shock when you will see the differences . Yes I am from Romania and we were anytime penultimate place from the EU and the last was Bulgaria . Now , we are in front of Greece and equal with Portugal and Baltic States . Italy in the North has a better infrastructure and is very strong , probably in 10 years Romania will not have this industry and infrastructure , but I am 100% our loans will be like in North Spain or North Italy . Now the difference is from the minimum salary wich in Romania is 400 euros netto and in Spain and Italy 800 . But if we talk about average salary here is not such big difference , you can read on internet if you dont believe me . Romania or Hungary or Bulgaria or Poland are not the 3rd world . Just visit and you will see . But I am angry when I read this kind of ideas .
@@georgesebastianlungu7538 Actually in Italy there's no minimum salary, I know people that work for 600 euros per month Just because they Need experience to get accepted to Better payed jobs
This is true for the most part. I'm half sicllian, the southern most part of Italy, and some of these places are so poor with 0 governmental infrastructure or aid. But at the same time some places can be fairly rich due to old money. It depends really, but the south below rome is infinitely better than the north, because its genuine authentic italy.
I’m from England, in the north (Yorkshire) and I understand this, but all I have to do is drive south to see how much better everything is the closer you get to London, buses in my local area are hourly if they turn up, our streets are filled with litter, our roads are crumbling, trains are never running and late due to strikes caused by overworking of the train drivers, the north was the industrial heartland of England, our mills supplies the whole British empire with cloth and coal, now we are all bit forgotten about by Westminster and the south, post industrial towns like the one I live in suffer from low wages, high unemployment and a youth suffering from hopeless and depression, many resorting to crime. I often wonder how it came to this in a “1st world” nation.
"1st world nation"? Seriously people have to stop classify nations just on economic power. 😑 A country like the UK that have a past of destruction, imperialism, occupations of foreign lands and exploitation of millions of people around the world can not be called "1st world nation". Would you call the Third Reich in the same way only based on their military and economic success? That's madness.
I was about to comment this myself. Since Thatcher everywhere north of Oxford has been underfunded whilst the south gets to enjoy the money our ancestors worked to the bone in factories and down the pits for. The UK is as wealthy as it is due to the industrial revolution and ironically the ones who forged the revolution are the ones seeing the least benefit in the 21st century
1st world doesn't mean there's 0 poverty, it means that in general that a substantially higher rate of development and living standard when compared to say Haiti or Nigeria. No matter how bad your town looks or whatever its faults, its substantially better than what South Sudan or Benin have to offer.
I moved from South Africa to the UK two years ago now. I'm finally going to get to go home soon, and as much as I see my home through nostalgic glasses, I know what the long trip home from the CT airport looks like, I remember how it deteriorates and decays as I get closer and closer to home. I love South Africa, but its not had an easy time for a very long time - I've already become accustomed to having a public transport system, having electricity all hours of the day, not having to worry about water, not having to fear mugging and murder every time I step outside. This video certainly hit close to home.
As a German, i find this idea of „the further you go away from Germany the worse the infrastructure“ extremely funny. We lost two world wars, millions dead , 1/3 of the country taken forever from us, millions of refugees, most of our industry dismantled and shipped off to France or Soviet Union or destroyed by bombs … and yet somehow where able to archive the highest Standard of living in the world aside from skandivia and maybe in some regards Japan.
that's why i admire germany, as for scandinavia maybe on average they live better but i think if they give anyone to choose between germany and scandinavia they will choose germany because it is more relevant i mean it is a more important country it is the center of europe and so it will be bad climate the climate of scandinavia is even worse.
That "somehow" was the Marshall plan. You couldn't enjoy this high standard of living today without US funds after the war. Just look at east Germany, it's still far behind the west.
@@carantanianfella4035 the marschallplan was only 135 Billion , and that was for all of Europe, I think Germany only received like 30-40 billion of that. Sure without the Marschallplan it would have taken way longer but in the end it was German Company’s who brought the German Economy back to 3rd/4th place, staffed by German workers,German Engineers and German Managers Even so, East Germany had the highest standart of living in the Eastern Block, that too was a great Achievement
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
We are ourselves to blame considerably in the whole situation. We do not want the country to work since that would mean following rules and holding people accountable for their actions. Since those in power are determined to stay there, they constantly inflate interethnic tensions to distract the population from the issues regarding their living standard, and blackmail them existentially in order for them to keep quiet if they don't want to lose their jobs and ruin their own existence. In this way, there's no way for corruption to disappear since it's the precondition for a decent living. Subscribing to the nationalist paranoia keeps you close to the fire, provided you give up any moral criteria in exchange for profit. Others eventually move out and then society is reduced to a group of oligarchs using the country as their personal ATM. It's appalingly simple and it works perfectly.
But, at same time. from outside..IMF, WB IBS, NATO coalition empire tricked corrupt locals into international.debt trap, privatization + foreignization. The Western corporate capitalist empire thus attacks the whole world. But fortunately, that Unipolar destruction confronts multipolar coalition of independent countries in Eurasian ×Global South/ 3rd World + their focus mutual benefits of egalitarian multipolar world'--real, physical production version of economy in win-win situations. Such organizations include Belt + Road Initiative, Shanghai Co.operation Organization, Eurasian Customs Union. BRICS ( Brasil Russia India Cina South Africa + others.
As a diasporan myself, I've heard countless times the citing of external forces like the West, Capitalism, Imperialism etc. as THE reasons for why X place collapsed or went through turmoil. In my opinion, such arguments are usually done to blame others so that a society doesn't have to look at itself. I'm from a poor country in Southeast Asia, where people blame anything from China, the USA, to even Human Rights groups from the EU for the problems we face. Similarly too, we have people jump to using grandiose, world-encompassing notions of Capitalism, Imperialism, Communism, Islamism etc. to blame, but no one bothers to ask why we as a people have tolerated such inept leadership for decades - even centuries. God forbid anyone blames the country itself or the society's way of thinking for those problems. I noticed in this video you make mention of a variety of said external forces and ideologies that collapsed Yugo and post-Yugo states, but hardly anything of the Bosnian Serb and nationalist Serbian leadership which in my opinion is much more grounded in why things happened the way they did than any grandiose, fundamental ideological argument which serves more to fluff up and obfuscate the debate. There is a whole microcasm of agency within Ex-Yugo itself that you have left out. The West has SOME blame for sure, but does it really have more responsibility than the decisions of local leadership? Will pitting oneself against the West, Capitalism or whatnot tackle the core of the problem or just make a populist public feel good without solving much? If NATO and the West did not get involved would that change everything as if nothing bad would've happened?
THIS ☝🏻 As an immigrant from Eastern Europe I myself like the first half of the video because there are parallels to my own story. But then he started with blaming capitalism and imperialism 😁 it's exactly because of this commie bullshit thinking that those countries are in a corrupt and bad state in the first place.
You are right. But he's a commie. It's just natural. Seeing what communism reached in these countries on the expense of their own people's blood versus how the others are doing(it's not honourable on a macro scale), you can see we don't really have better alternatives.
It's like the wind knocking over a shoddy wall. Is the wind to blame, or the shoddyness of the wall? One can make a good arguement for either, since the wall wouldn't collapse to the wind if it was in a better state, nor would it if there was no wind (or similar force) to knock it down. A solution could adress either factor, or a combination of both. A note on this case in particular: Solutions to problems of this scale and complexity are never simple. "If only we do X we will turn this nation into a utopia" is proven to be more destructive than the status quo in many cases. For Bosnia, this could include adressing internal and external hostilities, as well as the corruption, as well as its economic makeup, as well as whatever else there is that needs to be adressed.
Its a brutal balance thatll always be a mess when power is exerted globally- regardless of virtue, its either rot like Germany in perpetual occupation and have some pretty scenery and tourism, beholden to the whims of a war-torn people forced to either rebel or to leave, or get firebombed by an external power that doesnt give a damn about your blood. The core of the problem in the balkans was often an external oppressor, and when the friends of said oppressor decided how to carve up a failed state, itself in league with another oppressor, things got worse and sadly a lot of 'em left.
So basically you think said lack of social development is directly linked to imperialists enforcing unfavorable terms in economic game. But you've not compared to any other country which was divided abd was a target for predatory exploitation of other empires around, oh wait it was a first country named in this video: Germany. And you can even examine differences between east which was for 70 years sniffing communist glue and west Germany which build social framework of modern day German society. The main driving force of working society is not ability to withstand forces of capitalist imperialism (look at China and Russia they are protective and self-sufficient economies but not Western imperialist wealthy somehow). The main driving force is democratic social structure and civil society. Highest developed countries were first to embrace it and to build high trust societies with high and efficient taxation and social services.
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
@@spork861 if you had any idea about the Balkans (or the USSR for that matter) you'd know that Yugoslavia was non-aligned and in many cases even hostile to the USSR. It experimented with a 'soft' market economy and had access to loans from Western countries. That last part expedited its collapse since it fell into a debt trap in the '80s. Funnily, per capita GDP in other East European countries under Soviet 'influence' (e.g. Bulgaria, Hungary) had the same trajectory.
To be honest and this may be shallow. The conclusion I got from it was that this disparity is due to 30 years of neglect after the fall of the Soviet Union and eastern bloc powers. 30 years is a long time my friend. To look at this basically abandoned Soviet infrastructure and go “ah see! Look at this a clear show of how shitty socialism is” is laughable. Any town or city which flourished under social democracy will become a shithole after being neglected and reaped of resources and workers for 30 years.
Was good until you blamed imperialism on capitalism. As we have seen with the Soviet Union and how imperialistic that nation was, imperialism isn't necessarily economically motivated but rather, I would argue, politically. It's something we see from authoritarian countries.
Why do the people of the Balkan countries not go back to their own countries and start working on the problems? After WWII, Germany was totally destroyed, both morally and literally. But men and women worked hard to build a new Germany out of the rouines.
My main problem with these points, is that it proposes that consolidation of wealth into fewer hands and imperialism are unique to capitalism. I would argue that these problems happen just as much if not more in other economic systems.
The USSR for example was pretty imperialist, all the anti-imperialists were simply swept away from the system in the 1920-1930s fairly quickly over there. The truth seems to be fairly standard - stronger countries can afford to be imperialist if the weaker countries can't keep up with them enough, or are not enough of a threat.
Yes basically nearly all. Marx-Leninism - = dictatorship (few people control everything including army), Fascism = dictatorship, Leftist policies that are meant to help poor and improve living standards many times make situation even worse, so best is capitalism with regulations, mostly regulations of monopolies and hoping that politicians would care about people at least little (there is unfortunately not really better way).
According to Marx, with communism (not Stalinism like the USSR had) all the world would unite under the terms of the revolution. Money and other capitalistic measures would be vanished, so that any kind of state would disappear, in order to create a society with no government but rather self-management. So what exactly would this be equal to the problems that capitalism creates than rather helps solve?
You get the same exact feeling going from Northern Italy to Southern Italy, the more south you go, the more decaying villages, unfinished houses, thrash and hopeless people you find, with a large population made by people who moved north and is there just for vacation/visiting family... the worst thing is that in this case the country is one and has this extremely deep, hopeless divide. Of course it is a beautyful place and has very impressive cities and villages, but the decay is very visible.
@@alfatejpblind6498 Things were bad for southern Italy before the unification and got even worse after, the north treated the south like a colony and they used a "double method", the north got deeply industrialised while in the south mafia grew, after ww2 during the 60ies the area between Milan, Turin and Genoa was booming and it was the engine of the country (it is a rust belt nowadays and now the wealth is between Milan, Venice and Bologna) and a lot of Southerners moved north, this improved their lives a lot but the South got less inhabitants and founds (that because mafia was and still is in control of lots of "companies", from the drug dealing to the constructions and the politics) and the Northwest of the country lost its culture, dialect and traditions, becoming a melting pot.
@@yodavader6745 they do not, they used to hate them because southern Italians were seen as violent, not honest, lazy and they were thought to have ties with the mafia, nowadays it is only banter and it is rare to see actual hate. On the other hands many southern Italians hate northern Italians, because they think to be a victim while the north is the cause of their decline and they are seen as snobs, cold a unfriendly people, also because of the old northern separatist movements.
“ Hey babe hurry up Balkan odyssey uploaded a new video “ not trying to make light of your countries situation but we love your videos, you helped open up me and my girlfriends eyes and what our government has done in your region. Much love brother and best wishes
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
As someone who comes from NRW the pictures of bosnia look more familiar than your display of Germany. The worst problem is the brain drain in my opinion. How to build a society if every person with a degree and entrepreneur mindset is leaving the country to make better money for themselves. I work for a Dutch company and about 60 percent of the staff are from the Balkan or Poland. As are many of our customers all over Germany. I also have the impression that you glorify the old days. I used to visit yugoslavia in the 80s and it wasn't as perfect as you describe it.
Yeah but he also flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
Superficial observation. Poland is two times richer than Bosnia and not much poorer than eastern lands of Germany. Poland does not experience brain drain. Some Poles work in Germany as some Germans work in Switzerland but neither Poland nor Germany are negatively affected by this phenomenon.
Indeed, I find it amusing that he would romanticise the old Balkan Communist states, even though it was through the mismanagement & authoritarian leadership of these states that led to the civil wars & chaos following the Soviet collapse, and the aftermath still experienced today...
@@MK-lm6hb Perhaps its because Poland has a much larger population compared to Albania, Bosnia, Moldova, etc.? If two million educated Poles migrated westward, it has less of an effect in a nation of 35 million people, vs a million educated Bosniaks leaving a nation of 4.5 million...
@@jonathantan2469 well he has this romanticized version of communism that somehow it was the best place in the world to live in. when in reality it was just as much of a shithole as it is today albeit with less destroyed buildings but still very poor compared to the west.
Germany was bombed into oblivion, it's cities destroyed and it's resources taken by other powers. Yet they stand as one of the wealthiest nations on earth alongside Japan, who before 1945 barely had any industry, let alone financial power
About the video itself First of context, i'm French born and living in France, a western European country. Plus french people are notorious chauvinist, trying to always put France at the top, some English words are French for a reason (cuisine, bureaucracy...) Anyway, now that i exposed my potential biases, i can state my opinion and reasoning. First, we can agree that the situation in the Balkan as a whole (Hungary can be included as well) is disastrous. Where i don't agree is the main cause. For me, the main cause isn't capitalism. While it plays a role, an huge one in truth, i believe capitalism to be the enabler of the problem, the thing that amplified it to the extent of today. Poland is today a thriving country, while being part of the Soviet block thirty years ago (33 but who cares about the exact number). Something happen there, and didn't in the Balkan, or vice versa. An analogy i would like to make is Spain and Greece, both, in the cold war, were under dictatorships, but when those ended, they joined the EU, today Spain has became part of the west again, while Greece is chaos. For me the cause of that is corruption, how wealthy people can bypass thier way out of trouble, and use said money to influence politics to gain more power. Crackdown on corruption happened in spain, and while it's still a problem, it's not as much of a problem as i Greece. I see the same in the rest of the Balkans, adding an huge war to the mix in ex Yugoslavia. I see those lands as a post civil war Spain with no strong man to stabilize it, with western dumbasses who didn't understand the region that came and try to install democraty in the worst way. While i get the idea that we can't fix the Balkans by just fixing small problems and that the global market need changes to prevent it from having the same consequences on other nations, i believe corruption should be tackled first.
I mean I have friends from Spain who describe living there isn't exactly great right now especially now with the extremely high unemployment rate and Poland is just managing to stay afloat due to the massive sums of EU funds they receive each year. Corruption is the issue but it's not as simply as firing a few corrupt individuals or passing a few anti-corruption laws, the problem is more endemic and ingrained into society. I think the issue is with the lack of trust in the government where the people are more loyal to their local town or institution than anything else which in turn incentives politicians to look after their own local adminstration and personal wealth which leads to a disfunctional government. Greece for example loses billions of euros in potential tax each year due to many small business simply just refusing to report their earnings-- money that could've went into solving their debt crisis. Whereas countries with people who have very high trust in their government like denmark or the netherlands tend to do exceptionally better. Though I know this isn't the case everywhere, there is just a strong correlation.
This channel is for Balkan people only. We tolerate people from other third world countries and that's that. We gather here, we cry and heal like real men do. Your little rant spoil it for us. Bugger off!
Depressing. I visited Bosnia in October for the first time after 10 years, and was distraught with the poverty, you can literally feel it in the air. Srebrenica, where I was born is nothing but a empty and eerie wasteland. That’s what happens with ethnic cleansing l, those who commit it do not understand that once one group leaves doesn’t mean it will be repopulated and spring into utopia. And to be fair to Bosnian Serbs, I’ve met a great orthodox lady in Bratunac who left her house in Federation region and now lives unhappy in someone else’s house with people she didn’t grow up with…. It’s just sadness all around. Nationalism kills.
In Bulgaria and Macedonia for example roads and poverty isn't better and there hasn't been ethnic cleansing in those countries. The hard truth is that the situation in (south-)eastern europe is that their situation is mainly caused by the lack of capabilities in their culture and mentality and 40+ years of economy destroying socialism. Nationalists are making it worse probably, but are not the cause of the problem.
@@pcprincipal7472 I’m sure there is a huge outflow of population to Western Europe. Yeah it’s not ethnic cleansing but it’s cleansing of potential. Nationalism def plays the central role, you could make arguments where that nationalism came from but it’s at the root of every problem I believe.
@@coolekikker4454 it’s less populated, and let’s be honest it’s also a lot more ethnically cleansed. Podrinje for example is a wasteland with no one there just few houses and mosques and churches which are product of a dick measuring contest. You can not have functioning and prosperous society without diversity… diversity of thought, experience, religion, age etc…
Yeah, crossing the border from Germany to Belgium, I was always stunned at how derelict the Wallonian towns and countryside looked like.. The big cities in Belgium are top notch however!
I'm a Slovenian living in Finland. Slovenia does indeed look very "western", but the main problem that they have, is that there are insane real estate prices. It's literally impossible for someone of working class to buy an apartment. Their salaries are so low, that the bank won't give them a loan (and if they did, it would have been for 35-40 years). The prices are so high, that they horrify me even with finnish salaries.
Here in Latin America I can relate so much to this video. Not just the poor roads that have huge holes and not just the abandoned buildings, but also that feeling of "nothing can be done" or "it's the way it is" and it's truly frustrating to see what decades of corruption, inflation, drug trafficking and violence and in short poor management has done to countries that had so much potential. Argentina was one of the most powerful economies by the end of the 1800s now it has many problems with inflation. Colombia, Mexico and much of Central America is filled with gang violence. Venezuela sits upon the largest oil reserve but millions are fleeing in exodus to other lands and we view the USA as a type of utopia even though we all know that the USA is far from being perfect. So yeah, hello from Puerto Rico (yes even though I live in a US territory we suffer the same stuff as the rest of latinos) I love you Balkan people, let's hope and work for a better future. If we don't work and fight for it it'll just be a repeat of the loop. Much love ❤️
Argentina wasn't powerful or anything, it simply was wealthy because it had really good agriculture and small population, but it wasn't a developed economy.
@@bulgariainsight429 Може би аз имам високи стандарти, но все още съм разочарован от ситуацията в България. Това че сме по-добре сега не значи, че сме добре като цяло. Трудно ми е да го обясня в един кратък коментар, който може и да не прочетеш.
През 1997-ма не е било толкова зле защото все още имахме 70% от индустрията си и 6 ядрени блока. А от 2010-та до днес в какво сме напреднали? - че сме въвели всички европейски данъци, пък заплатите ни още са руски! хах
@@RandomGuy9 We dont - we simply buy old cars dumped from western Europe, that were in style 15-20 years ago when diesels were considered "green" - remember? lol
@@RandomGuy9 Petrol over Diesel any day. I hate Diesels but it is sad how many people love him just to polute more and in fact Diesel is not cheap at all here. The cheapest fuel is the natural gas only.
Came to Germany from Brasil, after a couple of years in Portugal, and I feel the same. These scars will never heal. We'll always be colonized countries. It does not get better.
don't blame others, Brazil is free and independent for 200 years now. It is only a little bit younger than the USA. Germany on the other hand has not regained its full souveranity and independence before 1990. What you really have to worry about is, why such bogus Marxist ideas as this dependency theory are so widespread in Latin America.
I don't agree with your economic analysis. I don't think that the current situation in Bosnia can be explained by imperialism in Europe. It is rather the lack of institutions and political stability. Bosnia has an awful constitution and a division between Serbs in Muslim which destabilizes country. There are also foreign powers at work... Namely Serbia and Russia. If it was due to some imperialists, it would be them. Take a look at Croatia. Their institutions have improved, eu membership increases stability further.
Exactly, EU can help a country *a lot.* But it also has to be willing to help itself. And for that... the mindset of the ppl in society needs to shift to something a lot more organized, consciencious & productive... it's the same with Romania and Bulgaria.
Additionally, one thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
@@MR-ej7kv communism is the same, no matter who is the one using it. Communist china or north korea aren't any better either. I was just saying Soviet Union as a general term.
I'm Portuguese and often travel through Europe. The interesting thing about that is every country is *a little better* or *a little worse* because we're basically a middle-ground.
Portugal seems like it has a very similar situation to mainland Nova Scotia in Canada, formerly imperialist and now bought up by companies in wealthier regions, but with some benefits of being parts of imperialist blocs still (Canada and the EU)
@@mark-o-man6603 All the problems of the Balkans can be traced back to Napoleon and the rise in Nationalism that he caused that culminated in Bismarch and the Second Germ Empire Spearheaded by Prussia - it's toxic militaristic ultranationalist ideology is what poisoned the well of the Balkans quite thoroughly.
@@bgcvetan I'm looking at it from a different angle: Why has the Balkan region always been poor and underdeveloped? And to answer that question you'll have to go much further back in time and consider things like geography - for example how almost disconnected parts of Dalmatia were from the rest. In comparisson it's quite easy to understand how Germany became a European super-power.
Imperialism really is the conspiracy theory answer in this case. The issue in the region is mass corruption, and always has been. Also, I have to point out that some points in this video are exaggerated/do not show the full picture. 1. The selective choosing of vibrant and beautiful videos of parts of German countryside in contrast to dreary neighborhoods in Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia. 2. A pretty one-sided explanation of the war. It wasn't just Croatia who did terrible things. (and the event you mentioned is a day of national pride because that is when the nation managed to fend off the invader, not so much as "that is when they committed cleansing"). All others (Slovenia and Macedonia not withstanding) played some role in these acts as well, and most rational people living in the region rightly condemn these acts. 3. This region has a unique culture. I never found myself comfortable in Germany or Austria. Those regions always felt cold and soulless to me. Anyway, that is all I'll say.
Germany has lost two world wars. The extremely few colonies were lost soon. There were even plans after the 2nd one to make Germany only agricultural. No one forces you not to change your own country and rebuild everything. It is your choice not to do so.
It's hypocrotical what you say. You don't want workers leaving their countries yet you are the one who did so. You would want things to change but you yourself left the country.
Communists in our lands were always like that. Living in prosperous western countries then preaching some revolution while they go to the same imperialist centers of power that they supposedly despise. They have brought nothing but misery to us.
Well what else he could do? If you hear him you will notice guilt for leaving his country. But the system in Balkan is not intended to be successful. If the EU reailly wants Balkan to be successful part of Europe, it would be. But instead they (EU) support corruption and corrupt politicians in power. Why? I see no other reason than extraction of wealth and manpower towards centre. I mean, Balkan is pretty unstable and war is in frozen status, in an unfinished status Q. In that kind of society, life can be hell. And there is always something standing in way of optimism and prosperity, and lately demographics is big thing. Balkan is being emptied.
@@bosanskislavonac Extraction of wealth ? What wealth, the EU gives far more money to the Balkans than it receives from them, the reason the Balkans is stagnating is because all the young and intelligent people leave.
@@kyzantia8884 You are wrong...here in Serbia like almost all companies from ex Yugoslavia , banks ,shops are now in west hands..you would thing they would have if they dont bring them money? You would surprise how many popular local brands i remember from Yugoslavia times are now owned by COCA COLA..its very long list ..that are all companies that very established after WWII during socialism..and now that all owned by american company
It is an interesting video. I think anyone from the Balkans will tell you that its obvious many of the terrible major events were obviously influenced to some degree by foreign powers for the purposes of imperialism. But what no one can agree on is which powers did what, and how much did they contribute. Bosnia has one of the highest conspiracy theory believing populations in the world. It underlies all politics in the nation, all bad politicians and ideas have supporters defending them by saying "At least they're the only one fighting x nation". I think you considered one perspective very deeply, but the larger picture is more complicated. I don't know if you suggested socialism as a solution or as a joke, but it would require the ultimate amount of unity, while in the same video you in detail cover the fears that divide the country so much. One counterargument to your video is that the system in Bosnia right now is not at all economically favourable for foreigners. The logistics are a nightmare due to poor roads, extreme border taxes and workers who can drive across the border... often just don't come back. The bureaucracy is abysmal, I have seen hospitals in Banja Luka without any sort of filing system who often kill patients because they lost or never had the files. And as everyone knows the corruption is extremely high. Foreign investment into Bosnia is extremely low for a European nation due to it being an extremely high risk for capital. In the Banana Wars for instance, global capitalism is the undisputed cause due to the American fruit companies directly acquiring cheap land, lucrative supply chains and political favour in both Latin America and the US. If this situation is a similar occurrence of predatory global capitalism, what is your explanation for their lack of objectives achieved?
There were not many countries that were strong enough to be able to destroy states and at the same time successfully present themselves to the world public as peacekeepers and keep the UN under their control as their puppets, so the list of suspects is very short.
What they achieve is called “the falling rate of profit” and it is an issue with all capitalist economic systems, and not just the systems of cheap labor economies. Essentially, the single owners of companies are investing in too many things besides their own business and often when they do invest in their business they’re making mistakes that a democratic workplace would prob fire them for. Tito gave the people true power by giving the workers control of the means of production, but 1 good leader are followed by 200 bad ones. The people need to realize that they do not have to give their value surplus to anyone and that this is such an independence that they could even die for this right.
Your counterargument can be actually resolved within a year, the problem are the politicians. They enjoy this disaster and the poorer the people, the richer they are. Then we get to the question "why dont the people choose someone else". Well, I believe they would, if they had that choice and if there was someone else who wouldnt do the same as the ones in power now... Just sad.
How many people went out from bosnia? Cheap eastern european labor flooded western europe in the decades after the fall of the USSR, this is still global capitalism, I don't see yout point in how they didn't achieve their objectives.
Croatia never pushed Serbs out. Soldiers that were caught commiting warcrimes were punished severely. Even the president told them not to leave and were offered their own language, currency and autonomy but Beograd scared them. Please stop splitting people.
Stop rewriting history. They did push Serbs out. Around 200.000. We all need to look at our past and stop playing the card ''Oh but our nation did nothing we were AnGeLs''. Stop with that brainwashing.
What you are doing is splitting people, because of your inability to see the truth and to accept the fact that your country did some nasty shit. Your need to rewrite history because you yourself cannot accept the fact that your country was capable to do shit like that. Balkan countriy's inability to take responsibility about what happened during the war, and I am talking about Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia. It makes me so incredibly angry.
@@Jana-py1vy the only way we can agree on what is truth is to trust international law. croatia sent all generals and commanders to hague and oluja was deemed a legitimate military operation, no talk of any ethnic clensing. NDH is a different story as croats are terribly ashamed for what happened except for a loud minority. serbia on the other hand glorofies its war crimes, like the convicted war criminal šešelj, who is free im serbia and running for political positions. so dont talk about splitting people or truth because all you are spreading is serb propaganda, while croats abide international law.
As someone who lives in Germany, it’s very easy and almost something of a small tradition to critique every aspect in which Germany lacks. And it’s good that way. Theres always something to improve. But looking at large parts of lesser developed countries, and talking with people outside the own „bubble“ puts into perspective how good and fortunate one is by having been born here. Not everybody has the fortune to live in peace, without ever feeling true hunger or thirst, to live without the fear of suppression, to live in more or less clean cities and be able to work in passable to good conditions.
am from this shitthole Bosnia . I think main reason why we are poorer than west Europe is because of wars and communism , even east-west Germany is still huge difference because east Germany was communism , centralized system eats country potential sadly
The main reason for East Germany's economic deprivation is because the government sold off once state-owned businesses en masse for extremely cheap prices leading after the reunification. This lead in turn to those business being either swallowed up into west germanies companies or entirely destroyed. East Germany lost most of its industry in the process leaving a huge chunk of the populace without work and due to a lack of recognition for east german degrees in turn lead to many of these unemployed people either finding work in low-grade temporary jobs or none at all. It also didn't help the mentality changed in its entirety. For a time all east german things were shunned and any and all achievements of the socialist system (completely free healthcare, free childcare services, high quota of working women, nonexistent unemployment, dirt cheap housing and structurally much more modern education system which later got adopted by the Finns). Whereas once workers and their daily toil was praised suddenly academic excellence and the generation of profit was at the forefront. This all was coupled with a lack of comprehensive reexamination of World War 2 and the Nazis. While initial punishments were much harsher than in the West (all journalists and teachers got jailed for a time) the lack of free speech and assembly didn't allow for movements such as the 68er Movements in which the new generation essentially questioned their parents seeming "sorry-not-sorry" attitude toward their past. The end result is a heavily dissatisfied populace that feels like its ruled by people far removed from its needs and becomes much more susceptible to the promises of right-winged ideologues and extremists, most prominently the AFD. While Central Planning was problematic as the heavy centralization of East Germany and focus on East Berlin drowned out the voices of those on lower levels of government (after all, how is an bureaucrat in East Berlin ever supposed to know what a citizen in Lusatia needs when their reports got lost in the byzantine mess of a system?) it is not fully or even directly responsible for the economic deprivation modern EG faces. Hell, one could even make the argument that Central Planning helped as with it East Germany, previously a bread basket, became the industrial powerhouse of the Eastern Bloc in the decades after the war. Hope this wasn't too long and gave you a better look at my regions situation.
@@pomeranianproductions647 i understoond 100% , similar thing happen here and other ex communist states .. its so true how in western states there is freedom of speech only for what suits them and when u go against them they call u radical etc etc .. hipocrycy at its best . I was in Leipzig eastern Germany and its so nice , developed , people are nice , its diverse , lot of people from all over the world , its nice to see it , very modern . I really hope and want all best for East Germany and its people ... But reading your reply , am wondering would u like that East Germany seperate from West again or ?
It took him only 3 minutes and 10 seconds to start spreading propaganda and historically inaccurate facts. From the thumbnail I knew he would have unfriendly opinions towards Croatia, but this is on another level. I suggest reading more history books, and less propaganda, or just watch "Why Noam Chomsky is garbage" from Kraut
A bit hypocritical from you to blame it all on capitalist forces, such as USA, UK, Germany and the rest, but then still deciding to live in one of those countries, if you ask me. Yes, Balkan areas were under different rulers throughout the history, but even after the Yugoslav wars, most of the countries do not seem to progress. Rampant corruption, nepotism and proper plans for economy growth and actual sense of betterment in general of each respective country are the main reasons, and these countries can only blame themselves right now. Soon more and more people will leave - this is evident for Croatia where are I am from, since we are in EU and people have more choices, but I can only imagine how many people would leave BiH and Serbia if one day they also join EU. The only country that has a different mentality than the rest of Balkan countries is Slovenia, I would dare to say, their population is steadily rising and the standard is much higher than the rest. What I hate about this the most is the squandered potential this whole Balkan region had, if only the mentality of the people in charge was different - not as greedy and exploitative as it is now. Worse off, I don't see it will ever change.
This is so true, it's easy to blame 'evil' west, globalism or capitalism when in all honesty you haven't thrown shit from your own yard. If the author of this video ever studied the road of other countries like South Korea, Norway , Russia etc. from the end of the WWII till' now, you'd be awed at what shitholes they were too once upon a time. Politicians in Balkan are reflections of their population, and it's a hard pill to swallow. It's like the population deserves what's happening to them.
How is it hypocritical? It's not like he personally has the power to reverse capitalism and fix the Balkans. He's doing what any sane person would and going where the jobs are
Basically, he said plenty of conspiracy theories and populist crap and then said that the solution is socialism. The problem is in the people living in the Balkans and nothing else.
I was thinking the same! Our people have a history of blaming others for their problems. There is nothing wrong with capitalism, the problem is our HUGE corruption, which is why we are still cheap labor for the West. Mentality, education and raising children - everything is fundamentally wrong and bad, and the proof of that are the elections, which are coming again soon.
I understand your pain, your shame. But you lash out at the world rather than ask yourself: Did we Westerners force you to build 1cm-thick roads? Did we make you engage in ethnic cleansing killing sprees? Look at other former victims of Imperialism: Look at Finnland, ruled first by the Swedish, then the Russians, only becoming independent after WW1, much like Yugoslavia. Look at Taiwan, Colony until the end of WW2 and arguably afterwards. Look at South Korea, which had a devastating civil war, look at Estonia, which only became independent in 1990 and was not just the ruled by Russia ever before but also subjected to Socialism for the better part of a century. Look at Poland, subjected to the most horendous violence in the history of mankind, and yet a modern, prosperous, functioning country. Where does your pride end and allow for the realisation that Capitalism didnt do this to you. Your people did.
Lol yeah the politicians the westerns and Russians support built those 1cm roads and every election they just steal. Not saying capitalism is bad, it actually gave some money to the region but exploitation is still everywhere, mines opening almost every day extracting goods for cheap into Germany and shit like that. And plus we don't have a good geopolitical location to surround Russia to get free money from the EU like Estonia, Finland or like South Korea and Taiwan to surround China and get money from the US, no we're on our own already disadvantaged, and constantly under attack from the west and Russia.
Plus the west created the Balkan war into a dumpster fire by it's interferences, half these countries didn't even have capability to do much damage, but when US started bombing everything and supplying weapons to terrorists, bosniaks and Croatians it created even more destruction, btw US never paid anything to Croatia, Serbia, Kosovo or Bosnia.
@@greatgamingchannale8257 Created the Balkan war into a dumpster fire by its interference? You are delusional. The US negotiated for peace between Croatia and Bosnia and tried to bring the Serbs to the negotiating table aswell, only after the Bosnian genocide was in full swing did it intervene. You brought this upon yourselves and if it wasnt for the West creating peace you would still be raping and massacering each other to this day. And no the West isnt interested in buying Bosnian politicians so it can get a cut from road construction corruption.
I'm from the ex-USSR state of Latvia but I am not socialist or communist in any way and i agree that most successful are those Eastern European countries which are closer to the West, like Estonia (although seemingly in periphery, but very close to FInland), Czechia (close to Germany etc.), already mentioned Slovenia. But when I drive through my region I also observe differences in how people behave. How while we in Latvia sometimes tend to drive like insane on public roads, Estonians really follow the traffic rules. They are bigger believers in rule of law. How we have allowed local oligarchs to take over at least significant part of our media, Estonians have managed not to do that. Imperialism of rich countries is one thing, but somebody signed off on that privatization papers after communist era and they were locals, not Western imperialists. Somebody signs off on bad quality road building and again they are not Western imperialists. Somebody buries a public transport of running a train line through affluent suburb so that the rich would have less noise, but which degrades the lives of poor people relying on public transport. And again they are not Western imperialists, they are local guys and gals. It has a lot to do with the ''quality'' of local population too. Population in general, not just politicians. And it's not only just ''oh they are undereducated, so they do not know better, if they had better education, economy would boom'', because you can put a government full of people with Oxford degrees and impeccable English and the result is still bad, because... perhaps your rich elite hates your country's poor people and in their arrogance they continue to pass laws that only improve the lives of the rich elite and pump money to their families, not all society. And why are they like that? Because in Soviet times they just owned a horse and a cart and now they are 1st generation rich and want to steal as much as they can, so their kids would never experience something like that. I knew a guy who was complaining about corruption in the country and bad politicians while always hiring his relatives for his local municipality jobs... so much for ''I hate corruption''. I don't think that we need socialism/communism for quality changes in our countries. What we need is people who do not hate their compatriots but want to work for society's benefit, not just to line their own/family pockets. Also, we need people who understand how economy works as often we also get socialists/communists with maybe good intentions but whose answer to people leaving the country is to close borders and whose answer to ''Western capitalist bad'' is to nationalize all foreign companies in the country or pass laws that make it difficult for foreign investments in the country. And that is not a solution too. Foreign investment is a good thing, but it needs to be overseen and used for the benefit of the country. But it's so bloody difficult to get this all in one package - smart, but also emotionally smart and patriotic people who love their compatriots, all of them, economically smart people, people with vision of what our country wants to be, and we do not need just 1 or 10 of such people but in all levels of bureaucracy... And if we are a democratic country, we need even more of them, as nothing is dictated from the very top, we need such people in all municipalities etc. That is why there are few countries that have successfully gotten rich from nothing and those that were kind of successful, most in Asia like Taiwan or Korea, their main formative growth was during dictatorship period when a team of such bright people could basically just order people below to adhere to such standards. Seems to me it is harder to do that in a democracy IMHO, although for long term success democracy is much more preferred.
Best comment in this whole fucking thread. I am sick and tired of people absolving their own shithead compatriots from any guilt. Western imperialism is bad, but so is Russian aggressive imperialism, and this video barely even mentioned Russia. I have a feeling he's a Serb who has this "anti-imperialist" agenda aimed only at the West because the US/West bombed the shit out of their army in Bosnia after the said army committed genocide on Bosnians.
After living in the United States for 25 years, I am seriously considering moving back to my homeland Bosnia. Life is not all about money. There is so much more to life and happiness.
What is even sadder is that the same roads are in Serbia, and to make matters worse, in my city, two years ago they dug roads to build a gas pipeline and to make matters worse, they did not seal the holes with asphalt but with gravel🤦♂️. And to make matters worse, no one in my city uses a gas pipeline.
Fellow Balkan here from Bulgaria. As you said corruption on high levels is so disgusting in our countries, that even if a person wants to go back and contribute, the minute you see all the BS that made you leave in the firs place and you come to the conclusion its just not going to work. At least not in out lifetime.
Bulgaria is colony, you are not to be in position to get better ,the rest of Balkan is same .now take a rifle and go against Russia. Destiny of idiots must be the same.all Balkan
I disagree with your opinion. Many countries of former Soviet bloc are prosperous and rich societies. For example, Czech Republic (where I live), Poland, Estonia, Slovenia etc. These countries are successful because they embraced capitalism and free market.
@@greatgamingchannale8257 The EU funds helped us. But the most important was the system that we have adopted after the fall of communism, that encouraged foreign investment and the creation of companies.
Fascinating how you are depicting events around 1995, that those occured without reason. And that Croatia did something to disrupt life of people there just out of blue. We all know who did started destruction in Croatia and Bosnia, when and for which reasons. The poverity which you saw on this trip is part result of war started by Serbia. Not only by destruction, but as well those events made possible that certain type of people profit from these events and raise to power.
They who seek to place the blame for their failings on others, are doomed to never recognise them. Blaming western Europe for the Balkan's situation fails to recognise the actual reasons for their current situation lying with themselves. Bringing up the argument that the Balkan was somehow robbed of it's prosperity by "imperialism" is at best a misunderstanding of what that word actually means. You say the Austro-Hungarian Empire didn't build independent industries there, so what? Why would you build independent industries on parts of your own territory? That isn't just inefficient, it would cause disunity in your own nation by artificially dividing it's internal market. You claim that prosperity is related to prximity to the industrial center and so it is, but this is just a fact of life, no malicious force at work, you don't ship your goods half way across the country to have them assembled there for the same price as next door. Similarly, educated people tend to congregate where other educated people are present, so those areas will naturally be wealthier. You begrudge western Europe its headstart in industrialisation and call it exploitation when western European wares are sold to less industrialised societies, because what? Because they're better quality or cheaper than local stuff and thus the locals can't compete? That's just like begrudging a smart person their success because they were born smarter than you or an old couple their home, because they were born earlier than you and had time build it. The Balkan's problem in the modern time is and always was the corruption and ethnic hatred present there. Societies grow poor from corruption, not the other way around. You might notice that those nations that are doing well are also the ones with the least corruption that provide an incentive for industry and productivity. And to then go and claim that the genocides and nationalism of the Balkan is somehow a "bourgeois" invention and not pervasive thoughout the entirety of the local societies *especially* the lower classes, is just outright false. Let's also not forget that the 70 year long Serbian occupation, because that is what "Yugoslavia" truly was, also didn't help that aspect of society either.
This video reeks of a westernized balkanoid who got sucked into the communism/socialism pipeline and now tries to morally grandstand about issues he knows jack shit about. Like, Jesus Christ, this sounds like a slightly more eloquent Hasan Piker video.
I think you need to read the Communist Manifesto, then come rewatch this. You have a child's view of Western European imperialism and you managed to misinterpret all of the points made in the video.
@@Narglestopia I think you need to look at every single attempt at communism/socialism and how each and every single time it either failed disastrously or transitioned into a market-driven if not outright capitalist model. We don't need to read a book covering an ideology deeply rooted in analysis of history by a guy with next to no understanding of history at large to know that maybe the system that has persevered in spite of competition is probably the one we should seek to perpetuate. Any person who believes Western imperialism is the reason the Balkan states are failing is by definition a child or an idiot because that level of analysis isn't exemplar of someone with the beginnings of a clue about economics, culture, history, and geography.
@@Narglestopia Oh, I read it alright. Anyone who takes the communist manifesto seriously should really not title the views of others as "a child's view".
@@MajinOthinus You can dunk on me all you want, but your comment oozes incredible historical naivete. You buy the imperialist narrative hook, line and sinker, with zero critical thinking. I really do think you'd benefit from reading up on materialist analysis of history.
i love how the mentality is that the foreign powers did this. as if they put guns in the hands and told u to kill your neighbors. its like srebrenica, lets say they gave srebrenica to the serbs, they still could of showed mercy. or vice versa to numerous genocidal war crimes and massive ethnic clensing. brotherhood and unity my ass. if yugoslavia was so great, how did they all turn on one another overnight?
@@vedsingh2108 thats the entire point. The narrator seems to point a picture that the west is somewhat responsible and capitalism. Its bullshit. These people are straight up genocidal maniacs who only care for their own sect and religion and deem anyone different as an invader that should be killed. No different than isis
@Miloš ive read the cia documents. Their analysis suggests they wanted it to break up but they didnt do much. Greater serbia, greater, croatia, greater albania. These things are real
There was no ethnic cleansing in the Republic of Croatia. Your compatriots left because Greater Serbia was not established as expected. Your compatriots left because of Milosevic's policy and propaganda. Some have stayed in these areas and are still healthy and living in peace! The war in Yugoslavia began with Serbia's attack on Croatia and other countries. You need to read the historical facts! ;)
Nice story you're telling yourself (especially as it has some true elements). But the truth is far more horrifying. Namely that Bosnia could look like Slovenia or Croatia by now, if it only managed to overcome it's petty ethnic and religious divisions and focused it's energy on joining the EU instead. In conclusion I suggest reading less Lenin and more Schuman.
Don't worry, it'll come to you one day. When the people of the global south rise up against your mining companies, or the refugees of your imperialist wars flood into your country. Imperialism is all well and good until you run out of other people's natural resources.
@@Ved000000 Guess why the West has lately been into renewables, recycling and friendshoring? 😉 Also, why do you guys always call it imperialism when Western companies get involved but illegal sanctions when they don't? I would appreciate it if you could make up your mind about that.
He literally talks about how petty nationalism has held the balkans back since the 20th century but you probably got offended when he mentioned Lenin and had to cry in the comments about it without watching the Video
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
gotta admit how it's weird how despite having a section dedicated to imperialism ( which felt a little off topic itself tbh ) they dedicated to exclusively western colonialism but never touched on Ottoman colonialism ( you know Bonia) until part 4 when Austria was not a colonial power.
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
i live in north Africa specifically Algeria and I'm surprised of how similar the situation in north Africa and the Balkans is from dirty streets , abandoned projects , corruption, poverty ..ect the majortiy of our younger generation sadly has barely any hope in fixing our countries and favor immigrating to the supposed utopian lands if western Europe and north America..i hope one day things get better everywhere and this corruption and hoplessness ends
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
Yeah so just to point out to all the english viewers: his bosnian subtitles have a serbian accent and he is calling something an ethnic clensing that wasnt one, this guy is a serb who is butthurt that his country didn’t win the war. Im not gonna watch further after this gross misrepresentaton of history.
Bro, I feel the same. My parents moved from Moldova to Germany. I was born and raised in Germany. Every time I go to Moldova I think how sad it is that such a pretty country is so destroyed and empty.
American here, posting at 3 AM for some reason. Gosh I must hate myself. Even here we face similar trends, as one goes further and further from the urban cores. Most moderately-sized cities are well-kept and great places to live, if say there are 100k or more residents in the direct vicinity of a major city, wealth flowing in from all directions thanks to a large number of trained professionals. However, the further and further you go from these areas the houses become increasingly dilapidated, with falling visibly decaying planks and missing stairs being the norm. City centers are relegated to the decaying strip mall if anything at all, with perhaps a seemingly shady alcohol establishment and a strong smell of cigarette smoke, and the Walmart with more parking slots than people in the town it serves. And they're surprisingly close to the functional towns of the first part, perhaps only a few dozen kilometers away. But trust me, it gets even worse than that, as some towns are so unprofitable that they don't even have that. Their main employers have left long ago, and now they are left with nothing but an astronomical unemployment rate. Well, and perhaps a median annual income of less than 17,000 dollars (and this is the United States we're talking about, so living costs are higher.) Now, about the roads. The roads are well-maintained here, but only because of grants from state governments essentially mandating cities to build more and more infrastructure, more than is profitable or they can maintain. This results in high-quality infrastructure and regular jobs, but there is a flip side. Unable to pay for repairs, towns all over the country fall for bankruptcy.
They don't realize in Europe that some American cities look ten times worse than he just showed if you go along the rust belt from cleveland to buffalo you would find places that look like mariupol during the war.
@@bilic8094 Eh, I wouldn't be that extreme, Mariupol is almost completely destroyed, so it's hard to go 10 times worse, but a good deal of the area is indeed completely rotten and worse than the video. I should know, I've been to the area before, but much of it is "flyover country"; Driving along major roads and highways you don't necessarily see all of this
@@teotik8071 Right. A problem of car-centric suburban development. Once the roads need to be replaced, we need to spend all of our money and then some. Someone profits, but it certainly isn't the locals, who are left to suffer with rotting infrastructure and fleeing businesses.
I am a Bosnian who lives in USA and I can confirm everything you said is true. USA has lost its shine, unfortunately. Corporate greed has finally fucked up the world, no exceptions.
Man, the balkan situation it's pretty similar to iberic-america, where artificial countries were formed rejecting the Spanish influence and creating a perpetual hate towards Spain, our immediate neighbours and our countries themselves. As a bolivian inmigrant in spain I never felt more identified with that guilt feeling.
Your comment is definitely hyperbolic and not close at all to reality. Most of latin America generally doesn't have "massive hatreds" over each other as you described. Aside from football matches, latin American countries have been living in peace and economic cooperation for a while and there is no sign of ultranationalist movements like the ones that rocked the Balkans. Most of these countries don't really care that much about Spain. "Iberic-America" doesn't resemble the Balkans in the slightest, these 2 places are fundamentally very different.
@@AsiaMinor12 Buddy, I've seen nationalists from all over. I'd be drunk if I took a shot everytime I saw a Peruvian or Bolivian hate a Chilean, a Colombian despising the Venezuelan diaspora there or Brazilian and Argentine nationalists arguing over which was better. Dunno what world you live in but man, South Americans can be pretty ruthless towards each other at times
@@PeruvianPotato everyone hates their neighbours, that's a human thing. Even the most civilised countries in the world (Scandinavia) are continuously speaking shit about each other. I stayed a few months in Sweden and making fun of the Danes was their national sport. However, the Balkans took it to a whole new level. Remember that they were quite literally genociding each other just 25 years ago. The current situation of Bosnia is a direct result of that fraternal war. Latin America has never seen a conflict like that since the independence from Spain.
@@PeruvianPotato oh so you've seen nationalists? Well, welcome to the real world. Only because you have a bunch of idiots not liking people from other countries doesn't mean that the situation is close to what Yugoslavia was during it's era of ultranationalism. A couple of idiots burning flags and shouting hateful things is not even close to an army or faction that wants to change borders.
@@PeruvianPotato Yeah every country has some stuff with the people of neighboring countries, so you see that everywhere. But what you don't see is f.i. the Brazilian military invading Argentina and Venezuela to wholesale dispose of the male population there. I'm pretty sure that's the kind of ultranationalism Angel was talking about.
i like this story and how you combined your personal one with politics and also the visuals from slovenia, croatia, and bosnia as me and my friend wanted to go on a yugo trip this year but couldn't. and now i can't wait for us to go next year!
Hits hard…I’m living in a city with over a million people…every time I drive I think I drive back through time…but still…I will always drive the 1300km just to get there…
Many members of my family emigrated from "underdeveloped" regions of Eastern Europe (Poland and Ukraine) almost a century ago to developed countries such as the United States, Canada, and (at that time, a booming) Argentina. Most prospered while family that stayed behind endured the horrors of war, various occupations, and stultifying isolation for decades behind the Iron Curtain. But then everything changed in the 1990s, and it was a hard transition but many family members in Europe eventually prospered (yes, even in Ukraine). Meanwhile, some regions where my family lived in the West (the Rust Belt) started to stagnate and decline and people moved to more economically dynamic cities on the coasts. Every continent has metropolitan centers but one thing I observed is successful regional cities have clever elites who can somehow leverage local advantages in the face of implacable global economic forces and create opportunities. No easy task. And yes, history is fickle...and cruel.
When I was a kid Ireland was like this People in nations still riven by corruption need to get involved in politics and try to slowly change their countries rather than emigrate
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
Makes me remember Galicia, no war since the spanish civil war yet Galicia since the XIXth century has been producing an endless ammount of emigrants (and still is) and u can see that in rural areas with lot's of abandoned villages and houses. But not just in them. We have lot's of differences yet I see many similarities
This video is not bad. But it tends to blame everything that's bad on capitalism, imperialism, globalism and "the west". If that would be true, then it cannot explain why Slovenia is much closer to Germany or Austria than Bosnia. After all, only 32 years ago they took different paths.
I really don't understand how "the west" prevents you from fighting with a corruption. Look at the Baltic states they are between Russia and the Russian proxy-state Belarus. They don't live that bad. Mexico has a long border with US. Why they are having such problems with drug dealers? The last part killed me. Cleaning toiltes is the job that you could do without any education. Did you try to learn and being competitive with the locals? Of course they would be more loyal to their nation and won't priotirize against locals.
The Baltic states & Czech Republic are arguably (and verifiably) the most developed from the former Eastern bloc. And I'm gonna tell you the *real* reason why - Czechia is in the heart of Central Europe & the people/society there have that type of social culture... while the Baltics are more more like Northern Europe, culturally. Both regions are known for their development (historically) - and it all starts from the ppl, in all honesty. I'm saying this as a Romanian - at the confluence between Eastern Europe & the Balkans... not the best geopolitcal location or mix regarding people's mentality & way of life.. That's the issue, which was indeed influenced/formed by historical events, probably - but not "the capitalist West". That's some propaganda bs.
Or maybe just avoid waging a civil war to your brothers and neighbors? Or just stop going after administrations that do such awful road works just to scrape a bunch more votes? This is all coming from a society raised in the Yugoslavian regime. You need to reckon that and blame that in the first place. There are no excuses
hahahahaha don't speak about something you don't know a thing Bulgaria,Romania, even HU weren't in the war, and still are the same as Serbia, BOsnia, Croatia
@@nemanja9260 As a Romanian I can confidently say that we are better off then Serbia , while yes , compared to other EU members we are still pretty bad , we are in a FAR better position then Serbia
This is my first youtube comment ever, mostly because I studied development economics and there are a lot of questionable assertions in the latter half of the video. I will try to keep this short, but if you read some works with empirical academic backing, like "Why nations fail", you will see that nations do not fail because they are being exploited by capitalist neighbors. There are plenty nations that started as backwaters that were arguably being exploited, like Japan or South Korea, but also more recently nations like Poland or Botswana. These all are thriving now. There are a lot of reasons why nations fail, but in the case of the Balkans, it is obvious: The occupations and exploitation by the Ottomans drained people's trust in civil institutions, or the idea of having a nation state that encompasses people of more than just one clearly defined cultural background. Other forms of non-democratic regimes followed which were hardly any better. There is a vicious circle of corruption and low trust. People do not realize how important this is. Look up Poland A and Poland B. Poland A consists of areas administrated by German speaking countries way in the past, and governance there is still more efficient, with people also voting in a way that reflects that. Turkey as well as Italy and recently Eastern Europe built up to a large degree by expats working in Europe and transferring money into Turkey, so this actually seems like a good strategy, unless you country absolutely needs your skills.
Japan being exploited, when? Anyway, "why nations fail", I think, doesn't have a complete argument when it comes to development. Institutions definitely matter a lot, but the case for democracy seems a bit weaker. The idea that trust in civil institutions is the key factor for development is also, in my view, a bit circular.
I can also say that you are right..like look Yugoslavia while was still together. Same socialist system ,same country ..but still Slovenia had 8 times higher income per capita then Kosovo ,or Vojvodina which region in NOrth Serbia but had roots in Austria Hungary had 4 times higher income then South Serbia..all that in same country Yugoslavia which had same socialist system for everyone
Japan was a colonialist empire until US occupation, at which point it was strategically rebuilt by the US to act as a buffer against the USSR in the pacific. South Korea was the same, the US backed a military dictatorship there to maintain a capitalist buffer state against Chinese consolidation and to achieve encirclement of the Eastern Bloc. These places were strategically invested in with the goal of empowering a national capitalist class that would suppress dissent and protect US interests in their region. "Why Nations Fail" is ideological claptrap, capitalist orthodoxy which provides a post-hoc justification for the current world order.
@@pyramidschema8668 Dude almost every nation that has adopted the free market has experienced vast economic progress and eradicate of poverty. China and India weren't US allies to name a few and they experienced an unparalleled economic growth for a large populated country within a decade. 90% of Indian population in 1991 were below poverty(before the liberalisation of the economy) and worse with China in 1978 before China adopted free market. Now poverty is around 1% in China and 10% in India.
Hm, interesting how 1991 and 1992 are forgotten.. . I do remember who startred it all... so I guess there is someone to blame I think... But ok, lets all share on the blame...
It's quite revealing from the comments that people are highly resistant to truth. They genuinely try to convince themselves that the disparities in global per capita income levels is simply a function of good/bad governance and nothing else.
Yeah it's extremely frustrating to read these comments unable to explain these things knowing that they'd be interesting to listen. I guess it just gives me more reason to make additional videos on tbe topic.
Please read through the history of the 1st Austrian Republic (1918/1919 - 1933) + the Austrofascist Ständestaat (1933/1934 - 1938) and you will notice that Austria was extremely poor at that time and the state was a complete banana state , where the political parties fought each other in the villages and towns (+ a 6 day civil war in February 1934) while much of the population was starving! Then came the self-elimination of parliament in 1933, which brought the Austrofascist regime to power, and finally, in 1938, the connection to the Nazi regime, where all political opponents were put in concentration camps and executed (+ the leaders of the Austrofascist regime, themselves from 1933/1934 - 1938 put their political opponents in concentration camps (with the difference that the Austrofascist concentration camps did not gas prisoners) and also executed them too! Only through the peaceful cooperation of the parties in the 2nd Republic (the leaders of the parties had sat together in concentration camps realizing it was a mistake not to work together with the other parties so they swore they would work together in the 2nd republic to make the 2nd republic a success story) + of course by the Marshall Plan and the 12-year term of office of the sozialdemocratic Chancellor Bruno Kreisky (1970 - 1982), Austria was able to leave the status of a poor banana republic behind and join the rich countries of the world! That's why your statement is not correct, that Austria was always a rich country, this situation only became so when the catastrophic time from 1918 - 1955 was over! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹 to the Ex-Yugoslav Countries! 🇸🇮🇭🇷🇧🇦🇲🇪🇷🇸🇽🇰🇲🇰
No, Austria was not an extremely poor banana republic in total. That's probably a correct description for the rural areas of Austria in that time, but *Vienna* had been also in the early 20th century one of the strongest and most economically developed cities on the planet.
@@gisbertvonromberg2227 literally the economic problems of Austria were the main reason for the annextion into in 1938. Austrias infrastructure was based on developing and making things while the other lands of what used to be Austria-Hungary delivered ressources.
That is a lot of bullshit. If you really think Austria ever was among the poor countries during any given period of time, then you are delusional. To the contrary - Austria was relative to its peers always rich.
At some point poor countries will no longer hide their misery behind “colonialism” blame card. Singapore, Brunei and Malaysia are much better economically than Thailand - but Thailand was the only South-East Asian country that was never colonized. Liberia and Ethiopia were least affected from colonialism, but they are far from being the most prosperous in Africa. Rwanda and Botswana are examples of post-colonial countries that went past the “you colonized us!” Blaming game and started fixing their country. The real question here is, is your generation THE ONE that wants to fix your country? Successful people look for opportunities, miserable people look for excuses.
And yet being colonized matters, as does having a shitty political system. It's just that colonialism makes it much more likely your country will have a shitty political and economic system as colonies are purpose-built for that. You had to hand-pick examples to disprove that point, but truth is clear: the average income of post-colonial societies is much lower than that of post-colonizer societies.
@@FOLIPE "being colonized matters" - true, but this is no excuse for poverty. Every country in America was colonial, but "English America" is better than Latin America. Curacao, Bermuda, and French Guyana (aka still colonies) are actually the richest places in America. To add to Africa and SEA examples, China and Japan were the only "non-colonized" in East Asia, yet the difference between these countries is huge. Taiwan and both Koreas were colonies most of the time in that region, 2/3 of those countries are rich and prosperous. In Scandinavia, Iceland and Norway were mostly colonies of Sweden or Denmark, yet they are richer and better than Sweden and Denmark. The economy of Ireland is in better shape than the UK - a former colonizer of Ireland. Also, Hungary lives worse than Slovenia, Croatia, Czechia, and Slovakia, but Hungary was one of the monarchies within the Austro-Hungarian empire, so they should've lived better than the subjects of the empire. Iran and Saudi Arabia were the only non-colonized countries in the Middle East, but Oman, UAE, Qatar, Jordan, and Bahrain have better economies. Actually, there's not a single region that statistically proves that "colonialism gave poverty", and one continent proves quite the opposite of that statement.
@@sidimightbe explain to me exactly how killing random people can directly improve economic situation, HDI, wages and corruption perception index? stalin, mao, and hitler killed the most, it didn’t make their countries suddenly rich and uncorrupted because of that, those countries only started to improve after those dictators died.
I like your videos, however here there are many historical inaccuracies in this one. Slavonia and Oluja, time and place are completely different. Oluja did not happen in Slavonia, it was further southwest. You cannot really talk about Serb abandoned villages and Oluja on the way to Bosnia and Herzegovina when traveling via Slavonia. Those are complexity different things. Yes there are some Serb villages that are abandoned in Slavonia, but those are mainly not on your way to Bosnia and Herzegovina or have anything to do with Oluja. Serb occupied territory in western Slavonia were liberated in various operations from 1991-1995 such as Otkos 10, Orkan-91, Papuk-91 and Bljesak. Furthermore, in those areas Serb population was not expelled, they mostly left the area with the military push backs. In my village Serb paramilitary committed horrible massacre of ethnic Croat civilians when they were leaving the area, even some Serbs that were not willing to leave with them. So yeah, try to be more factually correct. You are sticking to Oluja as it is the only thing that ever happened in the early 90 during the war, when in actuality it has nothing to do with the area you are talking about.
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere. You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself). The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help. This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
The northern flatter parts are in my opinion the more beautiful ones, especially the baltic coast. it is also not less beautiful than bosnia, just different.
@@Siebentod-rp4dk I live for years now in that same northern part (but I am originally Bosnian), and if a person likes flat areas with many lakes, and also a sea coast specific for north Europe - then such person will find North Germany nicer. If you like hills, mountains and clean, fast rivers, then Bosnia will definitely be more likeable :)
Instead of blaming imperialism you could take Germany or Austria as an example on what to do after being devastated in a war. Maybe then your country wouldn't be such a shithole. Remember Germany after ww2 was probably even more destroyed than the balkans after the 90s.
Lmao. Let's use 10k drone shots for Germany/Austria/Slovenia and lets use toaster on rainy day in Bosnia, seems only fair. Using footage of some god forsaken village with population of 10 for stating that all roads are like that is beyond stupid. So many videos of tourist enjoying our country, beautiful nature, sceneries and than there is you stating, that apparently when you cross the border everything becomes grey. Like what, we don't have color here? Sorry maybe in next update your highness. Things are far for perfect here, but this video is pure bs.
As someone in the Hungarian diaspora, I definitely feel the same way about going back to visit family. Most people earn under 1000 euros a month if they're lucky, while German tourists spend 3000 a week on accomodation and all the nice things our country has to offer. Don't get me wrong, tourism money is nice to make for those who have an extra house from the Communist era- but few see the benefit nationally, because Germans only go to select areas of the country (like Lake Balaton). Is our corrupt, half-despotic political system worth living in for the chance to make tourist money? No, so many in recent years have chosen to emigrte and use their former family home as a place to gather around Christmas when tourists are back in the imperial Western core.
Not everyone who comes to Hungary can spend such amounts. I earned a lot less monthly and went to Budapest. Of course, I took care to be decently dressed to make a good impression. And people tend to go to nice areas with nice hotels or hostels. Lake Balaton has that as much as Budapest has that. But I am not sure about other parts of the country
Hungary has been developing rapidly in the past 10 years and I constantly meet people like myself who moved back home from the west because life is happier here. You are one of those insufferable negative types who just want to whine for the sake of it. Stay there if it makes you happy, but don't act as if you are forced to live there.
from response to another comment: imperialism is certainly a factor, but ethnonationalism and corruption could have been at least mentioned to give this video more depth. not only politicians, but a significant amount of the population, especially christian population, the pseudoserbs and pseudocroats, have been poisoned with ethnonationalism. you don't need any help from western forces when half of the population has separatist tendencies and calls neighboring countries their homeland-either out of sheer ignorance and brainwashing or unconscious islamophobia which makes them eager to adopt identities which would rid them of any association with islam. imperialism also plays a role here though, as it has greatly influenced perceptions of christianity and islam. the significant role of religion in shaping separate identities which then clash on such a small territory is often overlooked. the most effective way to get identical people with even identical language to perceive each other as separate. this applies to balkan people in general, but is especially unfortunate in countries like b&h and montenegro, which have the most potential to develop healthy citizenship-based nationalisms and as such serve as some ideological beacons of hope in the balkans. but this potential has its other end of the extreme where the continuous exploitation of multiple identities results in more conflict, which seems closer to reality and which prevents many of us from deciding to stay here. if it comes to that point, it won't be the west's fault, it will be the fault of our local leeches whose minds are perverted enough to covet ethnonationalism and fascistic ideas after everything that happened in the 20th century.
I find your analysis about ethno- nationalism and identity in general to be very poor. You never address why people purport to an identity or give a nuance take on it. Ethnic or cultural identity and ethno-nationalism is the reason most colonial nations are independent and a reason why some are very successful as well or atleast have a booming economy. Its simply human nature that people will cling on to an identity and naturally also will want to compete against other Identity groups. Balkans didn't just hate each other simply because they belonged to a different identity( i stress the word simply). There's tons of factors that came into play. One of them the history and dispute over independent and United Yugoslavia. You can't change human psychology and the alternative isn't much better(I can give you examples if you want). Plus united Yugoslavia was hell and things are much better in independent Yugoslavia nations than they were back then in terms of economic growth and standard of living. Did ethno-nationalism go too far. Yes. But can people live without it and is it the worst thing ever? There's no evidence to make a definitive claim.
@@okay1775 it is not an analysis of ethnonationalism and identity in general, it's a youtube comment on the role of ethnonationalism/identity in destabilizing bosnia and the entire region. yes, many powerful countries were formed through ethnonationalism. in that sense ethnonationalism at least had pragmatic value even if you disagree with it morally. but in the 21st century, with long-established sovereign countries, among which there are many true or quasi-multiethnic ones, ethnonationalism is not only barbaric and delusional, it is also the complete opposite of pragmatic. 'human nature' is constantly evolving, that's how we got out of caves and eventually started criticizing tribalism. i made no claims about yugoslavia. i'm also not sure if you're conflating ethnonationalism with nationalism-for me there's an important distinction between the two and i'm not opposed to moderate, citizenship-based nationalism, which is actually what bosnia needs more of
The great misery part literally make me think about my hometown in Spain looked and still look like this, with abandon houses, buildings still on construction (today some of those buildings still on construction but the project were abandon years ago) some places with trash and roads with holes and poorly fix, with new projects that never happen and the feeling of "this town is a shithole and is falling apart" is always there.
In Kosovo where my parents are from, there also are looots of houses that were left on construction. Many of them were abandoned long ago because people couldn't afford to finish them. It has become somewhat of a staple of the landscape there.
As an Indian living in Germany this is so different experience. When I go to India, it's changing so rapidly. More construction happening. Towns now becoming cities and cities into bigger cities. I just hope to stay my end of days in India.
India is on a good way with its current government from what I can see from outside (German). It lets the people get in touch with the ancient roots of the culture and doesn't think so much in European categories anymore (...isms). Capitalism and socialism are ideas about the organization of industrial society, but that doesn't say anything about people going beyond their conceptions and doing a conscious evolution of themselves. This is the part that was missing in the society of both East and West Germany in former times, although people in West Germany had a much better access to the world and books about Yoga, that didn't exist in the Eastern part. My impression is, India is gearing up to play a very positive role in the world (and maybe rename to Bharat...).
I think the situation in India today demonstrates how much of these problems is not merely the hostility of foreign countries, but internal leadership. India did suffer from stagnation for decades under poor leadership, but with more decisive leadership in power that is in touch with the spirit of the nation, it's making progress in leaps and bounds. You have to expect countries to pursue their own interests, no foreign nation is going to fix your problems unless they're charging a hefty price to do so. I a people want to improve their nation, they have to take it upon themselves; finally, after decades, India has set out upon that path and I pray she continues to have the leadership to see it through.
@@costakeith9048 True, but India was invaded for a thousand years, first by several Muslim conquerors and then by the British. It takes time to get past the internal chaos created by those actions, both on the individual and on the societal level. It's like PTSD on the society level, people need to get on their feet again first.
@@sal78sal You are absolutely crazy to claim this. India is still an incredibly poor country compared to Switzerland, which is incredibly rich. In Switzerland the poorest people still live in nice houses, have free food, free healthcare, and their kids have free and good education from kindergarten to university. Do you know how the poorest people live in India? They literally are just left to die in the tens of thousands each year. Why do you think Switzerland still sends many millions of aid to countries such as India?
The claims made in the video are incorrect. In Europe, Poland, Finland, Portugal, Hungary, Greece, Malta and Kosovo have a cleaner national composition than Croatia. Operation "Storm" was also an operation to liberate Croatian occupied territories from Great Serbian aggression and appropriation. Croatia was internationally recognized in 1992, which gave it the legitimacy to defend its territory from terrorists. Regarding "ethnic cleansing", the Serbs expelled about half a million Croats and about 250,000 Bosniaks, and the total number is estimated at one million because not all of them were registered. The biggest crime after the Second World War was committed in Srebrenica, where the Serbs killed slightly more than 8,000 unarmed men, women and children. That is the true definition of "ethnic cleansing".
As a Greek person, born and raised in Athens, now 33 years old, who 4 years ago emigrated to Sweden, this hits hard...
If you want Greece to improve, it would probably help if the brain drain stopped, less migration within the EU would limit this problem. If you want change then be that change and go back to Greece and aim to improve it
@@kyzantia8884 yes.
I'm from Serbia, 34 years old. I work for a Belgrade office of a Swedish company and I am learning a little Swedish for fun (we use English at work, so I do not really need to know Swedish), but I have no plans so far to emigrate anywhere north as I would hate the weather and I would probably feel out of place for the rest of my life.
If I were able to work remotely forever and choose a country to live in, Greece would be on top of my list.
@@rasbro87 Ziveo sam u Svedskoj 20 godina. Tamo sam i rodjen. U Beograd sam dosao pre godinu dana i ovo je bukvalno najlepsa zemlja na svetu, ovde ostajem. Idemooo
@@kyzantia8884 As a Greek living In Greece you are 100% right
I live in Bosnia, the roads are horrible and the country is still scarred from the war, i love living in this small village but this country still has a long way to go untill it's good.
Whats the name of the guy at 5:45?
@@footballxeditz102 I believe he is currently a mayor of Banja Luka. Probably he is now doing the same scams… it’s his turn to get rich.
@@footballxeditz102 just looked it up, Draško Stanivuković, and he is the mayor of Banja Luka
@@HarunX57zt trying to find the videos on his channel
Bosnia will never recover its only getting worse bosnia will die one day thats its fate and then will be a war again for the teritory wich noone rules.
As a Latin-American, I'm always amazed at how similar our situation is, completely different country, continent, but the same exact problems, I didn't leave my country so I'm watching our conditions deteriorating each and every day, I also have some nightmares, mostly are good dreams of living here in a better condition, than I wake up and see that the nightmare is my reality, the good life is just a dream.
It's really bad but it feels even worse because things were so much better and more hopeful 5-10 years ago.
Which country are you from? I’m going to guess Brazil based on your name.
@@UlisesHeureaux yep, from Brazil.
@@Rrgr5 I’ve always loved the culture, language, and cuisine of Brazil
@@UlisesHeureaux Yeah, but these scenes he, video producer, is describing minus the war also applies to Brazil, seeing these images Makes me remind of my hometown back there, I moved from Brazil, situation is becoming even worse. And ethnic cleansing of course, we didn’t had such, at least not so clear cut and direct, one can say Paraguay war ended up being an ethnic cleansing , but it was more than two centuries ago.
I was shocked when the dude just "destroyed" the asphalt road with bare hands. Really puts u in perspective and appreciate the good life a safe and prosperous country provides you. Great video!
@@Bassoarno wow good for him and the city. Hope he'll be able to fix corruption as we know it's difficult even in more prosperous countries.
He didn't really improve the road ....
@@Bassoarno Really? What’s his name?
@@frida507 you can’t fix all the problems in an instant. Also resurfacing all the paper-thin roads takes time and money
@@Bassoarno Actually, he became like everyone else in politics.
I am Bosnian that is living in one of the most prosperous cities in Western Germany and I do not fully agree with the picture that is presented in video. First Bosnia is post war and transitional country, it simply can not be compared with developed countries like Germany or Austria since economical gap is way too big.
Yes infrastructure is bad and country is very poor, but you need to put that in context. Bosnian GDP grew 83% in last two decades, unemployment went from 40% to 15%. Salaries are after 30 years reaching prewar level and growing fast, this year 10%... For infrastructure Sarajevo and Zenica got highway bypasses that together cost 500+ million euros- such infrastructure objects were not possible to build there 20 years ago. Needs are so big for modern roads, railways, waste management etc. that it will still take decades to really improve with billions needed to invest, that is reality. Still some business areas are in huge expansion like banking, insurance, IT, tourism and foreign trade...
Even in Germany there are pockets of poverty and depressed regions, it is not everywhere shiny and perfect and that is rule in every country. So bigger context is needed and balanced approach.
Thank you for your insights. I was hoping for this kind of information about Bosnia (and not just because it is more positive) when I searched for it on UA-cam. I have been hoping that the economic and social situation has improved enough to kee Bosnia stable, even as Serbia seems to be having an increase in nationalist activity.
I'm not sure.... 15% unemployment is still high enough to leave many people feeling like they have no purpose or value in Bosnia. I guess we can keep hoping for improvement.
@@ems7623 yes unemployment is still pretty high, it will take 5-10 years to bring it down to more normal levels. Most of instability in Bosnia is imported, unfortunately country is right in the middle of geopolitical hot spot - very little can be done about it in short time.
Totally agree👍Greetings from Romania 🇷🇴🇧🇦
Post war Germany in the 1960 looked better than Bosnia
@@simonja7234 Post war Germany was 100 years old industrial power with huge infrastructure with ruined cities, still had salaries like Bosnia now.
After 10 years in germany i'm moving back to Albania. After everyday after work , going home i started asking myself 'for what?' . For what did i moved to Germany ? ( since i wasent hungry or homless in albania) . For what i'm making this sacrifice ( since i left family and friends behind ) and to be honest there was no satisfiying answer . It took me two years to prepare the ground , find a relativly normal job , an apartment and readiying the conditions . My contribution is that countries and politics are made by people and it takes a long time for them to change , longer than lifetimes and thats why each one of us should try to contribute in whatever way we can without being dissapointed when those changes arent immidietly visible , ''since Rome wasnt build in a day'' .
Keep the good work, Friend . The best is yet to come for ballkan. There still are a lot of postive attributes to avarege ballkan community.
I can recommend you going into online business, most billionares live in germany, its easier than like 50 years ago to get wealthy/rich in germany. But I do understand the bad sides of germany its because of the incompetent and owned goverment
Nicely said
Well said. I been born to care for this country and im not even from it. I took it on my self to contribute to the betterment of peoples lives there. I see an impact already on a few peoples lives. Thank god
Im a romanian teen, and Germany may be one of the biggest regrets of mine.
Im not starving, I wasnt starving in Romania either, but I have no clear hope here, or any future besides a school and workaholic.
Japanese and Korean mindset: "Let's study abroad and learn how the Westerners build their civilization, so we can build something even better!"
Balkan mindset (from this video and comment section): "Damn those evil Capitalist Western Europeans, how dare you ruin my homeland! ... Paris and Berlin are nice btw, thank god I'm not in my backwater Balkan hometown."
As a german, have you ever been to east germany? We do have many towns with crumbling east german architecture, half overgrown and derelict. We also have a lot of small villages that dont have paved but cobblestone roads, or just dirt paths... many of those villages have crumbling buildings build before the first world war.
What you tell of in the video are the big cities and their rich suburbs and industrial areas, but not the complete picture. And that mostly in the west or the south. Like Bavaria... Go north and east, the poorer the people get. And you can see that from the outside of their houses...
I'm Austrian and when I drive to Bavaria the roads tends to worsen. So I guess Austria overall has a different approach to money distribution within the federation.
That's what communism does to a region.
@@attiladerhunne2998 No, thats what happens when communism goes away and capitalism doesn't want to invest into those regions, because no profit in sight
And the Berlin wall was there to keep fascists out, was it?
@@attiladerhunne2998 sure if you think so... /s
As a Filipino Nurse who has been working in the NHS for more than 3 years now, I can sympathize with the guilt of leaving your country. I spent 5 weeks in the Philippines last month and can't help but see, as you said, the stark difference in infrastructure and quality of life.
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If u keep on driving for less than one kilometer more, youll get to to house i was born in.The road you are travelling on to Bosnia,i have myself travelled countless times as well.Every thought i have had during my travels,was one at a time discussed in this video.I dont know who you are man,but it really gets creepy at one point knowing so many people experience the same exact doom and gloom as you do.Everything just hits right in the feels fam.
For those interested,the town i am reffering to is called Gradiška,and the specific part of the town shown on the video is called Kruškik.
9:02 You are welcome to visit the more rural parts of eastern germany especially in the sachsen anhalt region, cant really confirm the shiny facades and well maintained roads part.
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
@@spork861 great comment, yeah
@@spork861 the vid is obviously pro-communism, but get your history straight. None of the countries in the video were ruled by the soviet union except east germany.
@@junsenqiu8340 You mean when hungry communist tried to get independence only to be crushed by the soviet?
The same with America, I invite you to visit Memphis, St. Louis, Chicago, Gary Indiana, Washington D.C, Atlanta, LA, Seattle, and every other major city. You will quickly notice it is a terrifying shit hole where you can lose your life in the blink of an eye over your shoes or simply walking down the wrong street (let alone money), not the fairytale land of milk and honey you have been shown via media and films.
I guess this is a similar feeling I have when I live in somewhere in the european union and go back to Turkey to see how horrible it has gotten since I left caused by corruption and economic crisis...
To much " Deutsche Welle ".
Rockefeller and Rothschield are trying to attack the Lira .... but
Turkey is doing fine.
Or low IQ
tough times bro but we'll see what happens by the end of this decade
kara boga lmao bruh
@@kurade1096 sisi
The war in Croatia is portrayed as if it began with the "expulsion" of Krajina Serbs in 1995, and there is no mention of how the war began in 1991 with the expulsion of cca 200,000 Croats and non-Serbs from Krajina and even more astonishingly no mention of how Republika Srpska and Banja Luka became so ethnically clean - by expelling and murdering 700,000 Bosniaks and 200,000 Croats. It is extremely ironic how the author makes commentary on what went wrong and that Croatia is marked "delusional" on the map in the thumbnail, when he is engaged in classic greater-Serbian, chetnik, unitary Yugoslav, "the Serbs were just defending themselves" or whatever other brand of Serbian chauvinism the author belongs to. Of course, coated in greavance for Serbs (and Serbs only, nobody else from former Yugoslavia) and faux objective analysis. Dear subscribers of this channel who are not familiar with the history of Yugoslavia, please understand you are not getting anything from this channel apart from the standard contemporary Serbian nationalist propaganda.
Excellent comment, I wrote something similiar..
He showed a few empty houses and said expelling people from their homes is bad. How you mange to conclude that he is a chetnik from that is anyone's guess. At best you're proving his claim right about Croats being delusional.
Yep. Unfortunately this channel tries to portray itself as impartial but it's anything but.
It's a champagne commie living in an ivory tower in germany, explaining his 'fellow' downtrodden people how they should fight 'their revolution'. While I may be partial myself as a german, I can still find it ironic that he enjoys our spoils, yet detests us and our society so much.
@@KekusMagnus Nah, the guy cherrypicked what suits his agenda and left everything else out the window. I wouldn't go so far he is chetnik, but delusional Serb nationalist definitely.
Your video is a fine description of the situation of Balkans. In Greece it's more or less the same. Where I disagree is your analysis on the causes of that dissolution. Underneath the high Marxist analysis lies the implication that it's someone else's fault. Bad colonialists expoiting poor people getting their wealth traumatizing them, leading them into the current state of disintegration. The truth is people was doing that to each other all the time. The critique of exploitation you are presenting is a cultural product of those countries. We will never get over the anger , the guilt and the helplessness unless we take responsibility. The lost paradise of Yugoslavia is just an imaginary friend to go through hard times. I don't know how communities rebuild trust after civil war but I am pretty sure it takes time and small steps.
That was a beutiful and sound statement.
Yes..i know here is Serbia is enormous corruption ..but i would give 50%-50%..becase like now almost all companies ,banks etc from Yugoslav era now in west hands..and their only motive if profit ..so money they earn here go to central which is somewhere is west so much less money here..and on top off that that giant money go to corruption so you end with this ..infrastructure falling apart in most country..only keep in good condition busiest roads.
I am in town off 150 000 people in central Serbia..and streets are worst ever..they are much worster then were in 90s when there was total sanction, there is no more urban planning so everywhere some new little buildings with 20-30 apartments totaly out place in streets where all rest is houses.
Also Serbia loosing people like crazu...it lost 15% in 20 years
@@dzonikg you are right
@@dzonikg i hope it gets better for all Bulkan states and the unite
@@hassanashwas6719 We would rather die than ever to unite.
I strongly disagree, yes imperialism was and still is bad, but as you yourself said, Slovenia and Croatia (except that former Serbian part) look descend and nothing like Bosnia. Bro it's called corruption and a convoluted government, I mean you guys have 3 presidents. That just can't work smoothly
The worst thing about that Bosnian constitution is that everyone involved in putting it together KNEW that it was not going to be forever. It was a desperate attempt to put a stop to the violence and give Bosnians some peace and stability while they can grow an economy and perhaps find other things to focus on besides slaughtering each other.
Everyone knows that a country with three entities and everything done in triplicate, for a nation divided into three parts (that are actually two entities) is a temporary transitional thing...
But in order to move on to a better, long-term arrangements, Croatia and Serbia both need to have also decided to move on. Croatia has been doing that. Serbia absolutely has NOT. Until they do, Bosnia will always be on the verge of snapping back into conflict and violence. It is being held hostage by Serbian nationalist anger - some of which is being stoked, sadly, by Russian propaganda.
He's a clown for saying that imperialism is the end stage of capitalism. That's just not true in any sense. Most of the world does not run that way.
And he'd have a point if as an example he'd have used a country like the UK, but Germany and Austria are precise examples of economies that have prospered in disadvantageous conditions (two world wars), managed to do so without a wealth of natural resources and imperialism (imperial Germany was small fry in terms of colonialism and never made any money from its colonies). Both became nation states very late, and have had many ethnic conflicts to deal with.
His observations are accurate, but the conclusions are utter bs. Blaming ethnic conflics on "the bourgeoisie" and the falling apart after the collapse of Yugoslavia on 19th century imperialism is utter bs.
@@whenisdinner2137 He cherry-pick and forgets Stalin also did ethnic cleansing , not based of bourgeoisie ideas, but collectivism, when he moved ethnicities from a country to another like they were cattle, and many died during said forced migration.
Lots of complaining and not a shred of a solution. I wonder why?
So it's not ethnic hatred and corruption, but global capitalism and imperialism that keep Bosnia back? This is just ridiculous. However, such a mindset may indeed explain why the situation does not change. If you always blame others and anonymous forces, then you can just lay back and do nothing to improve the situation.
The reality is that small countries in Europe have better opportunities than ever before, including those that previously were poor and under foreign influence, such as Ireland or the Baltic states. However, the journey has to start in the minds of the people. If they prefer to blame others with big words such as "colonialism", "imperialism", and "exploitation", they will achieve nothing.
He also flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
As a person who actually lives here, in the so called decrepit hellhole of Bosnia, I find all of your points in the first half of the video to be completely blown out of proportion. My small city of 10k-ish people never has empty streets, the Café's and Restaurants are usually full, Not a single abandoned building that wasn't demolished in the entire town periphery. The roads aren't patched/have potholes, they are perfectly drivable on. There's no mass dump near garbage containers, nothing you speak about at great length in the first half of your video. Either you go home to one of the worst places in Bosnia or your view is blown out of proportion. No random litter in the Parks.
I was in Germany when I was 14, I was underwhelmed when I came and it was all gray, dreary and rainy. We have color over here in Bosnia aswell, not that a condescending know-all diaspora would know.
I am a diaspora from Bosnia, I think there is quite a big difference between RS and FBIH, I visit Bosnia regularly but I am almost always in FBIH (Bihac, Travnik, Sarajevo, Mostar) to be honest it looks fine to me and I'd like to move back in 3-5 years. So yeah I think his image has SOME truth to it, but it is definitely blown out of proportion.
I seen both of your sides of the story. No one is 100% correct or wrong. It is all relative to the eye of the beholder and the perspective of both the beholder and the audiance. The question is more important on what contribution is put forth
i also live here and while it can sometimes be gray, in my city there is a lot of color, and whenever i see an abandoned building its usually when going on a trip, almost never in my city.
there are beautiful places in Germany w colorful houses next to mountain springs, or cities with ancient castles and defense walls. Lush hillsides with farms over them. I like that you like Bosnia but no need to bash Germany. If you've been there long enough you know there are rainy falls, tempered winters, unpredictable springs and warm, comfortable summers.
@@coolekikker4454 Yes, if you visit certain parts of big cities in Germany and western Europe generally that are full of non-european migrants, you will absolutely feel much better in every city of the former eastern block....
I've heard of something similar in Italy. Once past Rome, every 100 km you drive southward you see misery, bad infrastructure increasing in intensity.
As an italian I can Say that the more south you go, the worse services such as infrastructure, ambulances, hospitals, higher disoccupation and a higher mafia presence. In the south tought the Life costs a Little bit less
Still far away from these standards. I mean southern Italy is beautiful. Sure it has its problems, but nothing like that.
Man , It's wrong and is a stupid comparation . I see people complain about Hungary , Romania , Italy , Croatia . Bosnia is totally isolated . This countryes from European Union had a better life and infrastructure than Bosnia . You can't compare the apples with the gold , for example . Go visit Bosnia , and after visit Romania , Hungary , Italy . You will have a shock when you will see the differences . Yes I am from Romania and we were anytime penultimate place from the EU and the last was Bulgaria . Now , we are in front of Greece and equal with Portugal and Baltic States . Italy in the North has a better infrastructure and is very strong , probably in 10 years Romania will not have this industry and infrastructure , but I am 100% our loans will be like in North Spain or North Italy . Now the difference is from the minimum salary wich in Romania is 400 euros netto and in Spain and Italy 800 . But if we talk about average salary here is not such big difference , you can read on internet if you dont believe me . Romania or Hungary or Bulgaria or Poland are not the 3rd world . Just visit and you will see . But I am angry when I read this kind of ideas .
@@georgesebastianlungu7538 Actually in Italy there's no minimum salary, I know people that work for 600 euros per month Just because they Need experience to get accepted to Better payed jobs
This is true for the most part. I'm half sicllian, the southern most part of Italy, and some of these places are so poor with 0 governmental infrastructure or aid. But at the same time some places can be fairly rich due to old money. It depends really, but the south below rome is infinitely better than the north, because its genuine authentic italy.
I’m from England, in the north (Yorkshire) and I understand this, but all I have to do is drive south to see how much better everything is the closer you get to London, buses in my local area are hourly if they turn up, our streets are filled with litter, our roads are crumbling, trains are never running and late due to strikes caused by overworking of the train drivers, the north was the industrial heartland of England, our mills supplies the whole British empire with cloth and coal, now we are all bit forgotten about by Westminster and the south, post industrial towns like the one I live in suffer from low wages, high unemployment and a youth suffering from hopeless and depression, many resorting to crime. I often wonder how it came to this in a “1st world” nation.
Moral of story, don't drive south in general
"1st world nation"?
Seriously people have to stop classify nations just on economic power. 😑
A country like the UK that have a past of destruction, imperialism, occupations of foreign lands and exploitation of millions of people around the world can not be called "1st world nation".
Would you call the Third Reich in the same way only based on their military and economic success? That's madness.
I was about to comment this myself. Since Thatcher everywhere north of Oxford has been underfunded whilst the south gets to enjoy the money our ancestors worked to the bone in factories and down the pits for. The UK is as wealthy as it is due to the industrial revolution and ironically the ones who forged the revolution are the ones seeing the least benefit in the 21st century
1st world doesn't mean there's 0 poverty, it means that in general that a substantially higher rate of development and living standard when compared to say Haiti or Nigeria. No matter how bad your town looks or whatever its faults, its substantially better than what South Sudan or Benin have to offer.
@@GuyShōtō especially considering all the costly efforts made during history to exploit those places in order to make look your town better. 😒
I moved from South Africa to the UK two years ago now. I'm finally going to get to go home soon, and as much as I see my home through nostalgic glasses, I know what the long trip home from the CT airport looks like, I remember how it deteriorates and decays as I get closer and closer to home. I love South Africa, but its not had an easy time for a very long time - I've already become accustomed to having a public transport system, having electricity all hours of the day, not having to worry about water, not having to fear mugging and murder every time I step outside. This video certainly hit close to home.
I see many people can very much relate to this, sadly...
As a German, i find this idea of „the further you go away from Germany the worse the infrastructure“ extremely funny.
We lost two world wars, millions dead , 1/3 of the country taken forever from us, millions of refugees, most of our industry dismantled and shipped off to France or Soviet Union or destroyed by bombs … and yet somehow where able to archive the highest Standard of living in the world aside from skandivia and maybe in some regards Japan.
that's why i admire germany, as for scandinavia maybe on average they live better but i think if they give anyone to choose between germany and scandinavia they will choose germany because it is more relevant i mean it is a more important country it is the center of europe and so it will be bad climate the climate of scandinavia is even worse.
That "somehow" was the Marshall plan. You couldn't enjoy this high standard of living today without US funds after the war. Just look at east Germany, it's still far behind the west.
@@carantanianfella4035 the marschallplan was only 135 Billion , and that was for all of Europe, I think Germany only received like 30-40 billion of that.
Sure without the Marschallplan it would have taken way longer but in the end it was German Company’s who brought the German Economy back to 3rd/4th place, staffed by German workers,German Engineers and German Managers
Even so, East Germany had the highest standart of living in the Eastern Block, that too was a great Achievement
It is because of the culture. People have a more productive, industrious mindset in Germany...
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
We are ourselves to blame considerably in the whole situation. We do not want the country to work since that would mean following rules and holding people accountable for their actions. Since those in power are determined to stay there, they constantly inflate interethnic tensions to distract the population from the issues regarding their living standard, and blackmail them existentially in order for them to keep quiet if they don't want to lose their jobs and ruin their own existence. In this way, there's no way for corruption to disappear since it's the precondition for a decent living. Subscribing to the nationalist paranoia keeps you close to the fire, provided you give up any moral criteria in exchange for profit. Others eventually move out and then society is reduced to a group of oligarchs using the country as their personal ATM. It's appalingly simple and it works perfectly.
Well said, buraz. Well said.
The russian federation is a prime example of what you describe.
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As a diasporan myself, I've heard countless times the citing of external forces like the West, Capitalism, Imperialism etc. as THE reasons for why X place collapsed or went through turmoil.
In my opinion, such arguments are usually done to blame others so that a society doesn't have to look at itself. I'm from a poor country in Southeast Asia, where people blame anything from China, the USA, to even Human Rights groups from the EU for the problems we face. Similarly too, we have people jump to using grandiose, world-encompassing notions of Capitalism, Imperialism, Communism, Islamism etc. to blame, but no one bothers to ask why we as a people have tolerated such inept leadership for decades - even centuries. God forbid anyone blames the country itself or the society's way of thinking for those problems.
I noticed in this video you make mention of a variety of said external forces and ideologies that collapsed Yugo and post-Yugo states, but hardly anything of the Bosnian Serb and nationalist Serbian leadership which in my opinion is much more grounded in why things happened the way they did than any grandiose, fundamental ideological argument which serves more to fluff up and obfuscate the debate. There is a whole microcasm of agency within Ex-Yugo itself that you have left out. The West has SOME blame for sure, but does it really have more responsibility than the decisions of local leadership? Will pitting oneself against the West, Capitalism or whatnot tackle the core of the problem or just make a populist public feel good without solving much? If NATO and the West did not get involved would that change everything as if nothing bad would've happened?
THIS ☝🏻 As an immigrant from Eastern Europe I myself like the first half of the video because there are parallels to my own story. But then he started with blaming capitalism and imperialism 😁 it's exactly because of this commie bullshit thinking that those countries are in a corrupt and bad state in the first place.
You are right. But he's a commie. It's just natural. Seeing what communism reached in these countries on the expense of their own people's blood versus how the others are doing(it's not honourable on a macro scale), you can see we don't really have better alternatives.
Things would have actually gotten worse for Bosnia at the very least. Serbia was coming, and it was seeing red
It's like the wind knocking over a shoddy wall. Is the wind to blame, or the shoddyness of the wall? One can make a good arguement for either, since the wall wouldn't collapse to the wind if it was in a better state, nor would it if there was no wind (or similar force) to knock it down. A solution could adress either factor, or a combination of both.
A note on this case in particular: Solutions to problems of this scale and complexity are never simple. "If only we do X we will turn this nation into a utopia" is proven to be more destructive than the status quo in many cases. For Bosnia, this could include adressing internal and external hostilities, as well as the corruption, as well as its economic makeup, as well as whatever else there is that needs to be adressed.
Its a brutal balance thatll always be a mess when power is exerted globally- regardless of virtue, its either rot like Germany in perpetual occupation and have some pretty scenery and tourism, beholden to the whims of a war-torn people forced to either rebel or to leave, or get firebombed by an external power that doesnt give a damn about your blood.
The core of the problem in the balkans was often an external oppressor, and when the friends of said oppressor decided how to carve up a failed state, itself in league with another oppressor, things got worse and sadly a lot of 'em left.
So basically you think said lack of social development is directly linked to imperialists enforcing unfavorable terms in economic game. But you've not compared to any other country which was divided abd was a target for predatory exploitation of other empires around, oh wait it was a first country named in this video: Germany. And you can even examine differences between east which was for 70 years sniffing communist glue and west Germany which build social framework of modern day German society. The main driving force of working society is not ability to withstand forces of capitalist imperialism (look at China and Russia they are protective and self-sufficient economies but not Western imperialist wealthy somehow). The main driving force is democratic social structure and civil society. Highest developed countries were first to embrace it and to build high trust societies with high and efficient taxation and social services.
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
@@spork861 I concur.
@@spork861 if you had any idea about the Balkans (or the USSR for that matter) you'd know that Yugoslavia was non-aligned and in many cases even hostile to the USSR.
It experimented with a 'soft' market economy and had access to loans from Western countries.
That last part expedited its collapse since it fell into a debt trap in the '80s.
Funnily, per capita GDP in other East European countries under Soviet 'influence' (e.g. Bulgaria, Hungary) had the same trajectory.
To be honest and this may be shallow. The conclusion I got from it was that this disparity is due to 30 years of neglect after the fall of the Soviet Union and eastern bloc powers.
30 years is a long time my friend. To look at this basically abandoned Soviet infrastructure and go “ah see! Look at this a clear show of how shitty socialism is” is laughable. Any town or city which flourished under social democracy will become a shithole after being neglected and reaped of resources and workers for 30 years.
Was good until you blamed imperialism on capitalism. As we have seen with the Soviet Union and how imperialistic that nation was, imperialism isn't necessarily economically motivated but rather, I would argue, politically. It's something we see from authoritarian countries.
Why do the people of the Balkan countries not go back to their own countries and start working on the problems? After WWII, Germany was totally destroyed, both morally and literally. But men and women worked hard to build a new Germany out of the rouines.
Its a legend and fairitale. actually most of the industry remained untouched
@@hellothere8121 Not true.
My main problem with these points, is that it proposes that consolidation of wealth into fewer hands and imperialism are unique to capitalism. I would argue that these problems happen just as much if not more in other economic systems.
The USSR for example was pretty imperialist, all the anti-imperialists were simply swept away from the system in the 1920-1930s fairly quickly over there. The truth seems to be fairly standard - stronger countries can afford to be imperialist if the weaker countries can't keep up with them enough, or are not enough of a threat.
Yes basically nearly all. Marx-Leninism - = dictatorship (few people control everything including army), Fascism = dictatorship, Leftist policies that are meant to help poor and improve living standards many times make situation even worse, so best is capitalism with regulations, mostly regulations of monopolies and hoping that politicians would care about people at least little (there is unfortunately not really better way).
According to Marx, with communism (not Stalinism like the USSR had) all the world would unite under the terms of the revolution. Money and other capitalistic measures would be vanished, so that any kind of state would disappear, in order to create a society with no government but rather self-management. So what exactly would this be equal to the problems that capitalism creates than rather helps solve?
You get the same exact feeling going from Northern Italy to Southern Italy, the more south you go, the more decaying villages, unfinished houses, thrash and hopeless people you find, with a large population made by people who moved north and is there just for vacation/visiting family... the worst thing is that in this case the country is one and has this extremely deep, hopeless divide. Of course it is a beautyful place and has very impressive cities and villages, but the decay is very visible.
I wonder what the reason for this is? Was southern Italy just badly integrated with the ”industrialized” north (really just Turin)?
@@alfatejpblind6498 Things were bad for southern Italy before the unification and got even worse after, the north treated the south like a colony and they used a "double method", the north got deeply industrialised while in the south mafia grew, after ww2 during the 60ies the area between Milan, Turin and Genoa was booming and it was the engine of the country (it is a rust belt nowadays and now the wealth is between Milan, Venice and Bologna) and a lot of Southerners moved north, this improved their lives a lot but the South got less inhabitants and founds (that because mafia was and still is in control of lots of "companies", from the drug dealing to the constructions and the politics) and the Northwest of the country lost its culture, dialect and traditions, becoming a melting pot.
@@unknownzzz5115 why do northern Italians hate southern Italians?
@@yodavader6745 they do not, they used to hate them because southern Italians were seen as violent, not honest, lazy and they were thought to have ties with the mafia, nowadays it is only banter and it is rare to see actual hate. On the other hands many southern Italians hate northern Italians, because they think to be a victim while the north is the cause of their decline and they are seen as snobs, cold a unfriendly people, also because of the old northern separatist movements.
@@unknownzzz5115 That's depressing
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@@BalkanOdyssey_ i feel your pain as a punjabi sikh from both sides of the border
@@BalkanOdyssey_ feels messed up remembering the past
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
As someone who comes from NRW the pictures of bosnia look more familiar than your display of Germany.
The worst problem is the brain drain in my opinion. How to build a society if every person with a degree and entrepreneur mindset is leaving the country to make better money for themselves.
I work for a Dutch company and about 60 percent of the staff are from the Balkan or Poland. As are many of our customers all over Germany.
I also have the impression that you glorify the old days.
I used to visit yugoslavia in the 80s and it wasn't as perfect as you describe it.
Yeah but he also flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
Superficial observation. Poland is two times richer than Bosnia and not much poorer than eastern lands of Germany. Poland does not experience brain drain. Some Poles work in Germany as some Germans work in Switzerland but neither Poland nor Germany are negatively affected by this phenomenon.
Indeed, I find it amusing that he would romanticise the old Balkan Communist states, even though it was through the mismanagement & authoritarian leadership of these states that led to the civil wars & chaos following the Soviet collapse, and the aftermath still experienced today...
@@MK-lm6hb Perhaps its because Poland has a much larger population compared to Albania, Bosnia, Moldova, etc.? If two million educated Poles migrated westward, it has less of an effect in a nation of 35 million people, vs a million educated Bosniaks leaving a nation of 4.5 million...
@@jonathantan2469 well he has this romanticized version of communism that somehow it was the best place in the world to live in. when in reality it was just as much of a shithole as it is today albeit with less destroyed buildings but still very poor compared to the west.
Germany was bombed into oblivion, it's cities destroyed and it's resources taken by other powers. Yet they stand as one of the wealthiest nations on earth alongside Japan, who before 1945 barely had any industry, let alone financial power
Yes, people's culture at a group level, is the problem. (this, coming from a Romanian)
American money usually helps
About the video itself
First of context, i'm French born and living in France, a western European country.
Plus french people are notorious chauvinist, trying to always put France at the top, some English words are French for a reason (cuisine, bureaucracy...)
Anyway, now that i exposed my potential biases, i can state my opinion and reasoning.
First, we can agree that the situation in the Balkan as a whole (Hungary can be included as well) is disastrous. Where i don't agree is the main cause. For me, the main cause isn't capitalism. While it plays a role, an huge one in truth, i believe capitalism to be the enabler of the problem, the thing that amplified it to the extent of today. Poland is today a thriving country, while being part of the Soviet block thirty years ago (33 but who cares about the exact number). Something happen there, and didn't in the Balkan, or vice versa.
An analogy i would like to make is Spain and Greece, both, in the cold war, were under dictatorships, but when those ended, they joined the EU, today Spain has became part of the west again, while Greece is chaos. For me the cause of that is corruption, how wealthy people can bypass thier way out of trouble, and use said money to influence politics to gain more power. Crackdown on corruption happened in spain, and while it's still a problem, it's not as much of a problem as i Greece.
I see the same in the rest of the Balkans, adding an huge war to the mix in ex Yugoslavia.
I see those lands as a post civil war Spain with no strong man to stabilize it, with western dumbasses who didn't understand the region that came and try to install democraty in the worst way.
While i get the idea that we can't fix the Balkans by just fixing small problems and that the global market need changes to prevent it from having the same consequences on other nations, i believe corruption should be tackled first.
It's long but i don't care
@@JJMK7092 based
Then you have italy, which has western and eastern standards in one country.
I mean I have friends from Spain who describe living there isn't exactly great right now especially now with the extremely high unemployment rate and Poland is just managing to stay afloat due to the massive sums of EU funds they receive each year. Corruption is the issue but it's not as simply as firing a few corrupt individuals or passing a few anti-corruption laws, the problem is more endemic and ingrained into society. I think the issue is with the lack of trust in the government where the people are more loyal to their local town or institution than anything else which in turn incentives politicians to look after their own local adminstration and personal wealth which leads to a disfunctional government. Greece for example loses billions of euros in potential tax each year due to many small business simply just refusing to report their earnings-- money that could've went into solving their debt crisis. Whereas countries with people who have very high trust in their government like denmark or the netherlands tend to do exceptionally better. Though I know this isn't the case everywhere, there is just a strong correlation.
This channel is for Balkan people only. We tolerate people from other third world countries and that's that. We gather here, we cry and heal like real men do. Your little rant spoil it for us. Bugger off!
Depressing. I visited Bosnia in October for the first time after 10 years, and was distraught with the poverty, you can literally feel it in the air. Srebrenica, where I was born is nothing but a empty and eerie wasteland. That’s what happens with ethnic cleansing l, those who commit it do not understand that once one group leaves doesn’t mean it will be repopulated and spring into utopia. And to be fair to Bosnian Serbs, I’ve met a great orthodox lady in Bratunac who left her house in Federation region and now lives unhappy in someone else’s house with people she didn’t grow up with…. It’s just sadness all around. Nationalism kills.
In Bulgaria and Macedonia for example roads and poverty isn't better and there hasn't been ethnic cleansing in those countries.
The hard truth is that the situation in (south-)eastern europe is that their situation is mainly caused by the lack of capabilities in their culture and mentality and 40+ years of economy destroying socialism. Nationalists are making it worse probably, but are not the cause of the problem.
@@pcprincipal7472 I’m sure there is a huge outflow of population to Western Europe. Yeah it’s not ethnic cleansing but it’s cleansing of potential. Nationalism def plays the central role, you could make arguments where that nationalism came from but it’s at the root of every problem I believe.
In my experience RS entity in Bosnia is a lot worse off than the FBIH entity.
@@coolekikker4454 it’s less populated, and let’s be honest it’s also a lot more ethnically cleansed. Podrinje for example is a wasteland with no one there just few houses and mosques and churches which are product of a dick measuring contest. You can not have functioning and prosperous society without diversity… diversity of thought, experience, religion, age etc…
@@coolekikker4454 yes it's way worse but the federation is also terrible
tbh, The infrastructure thing can also be experienced with just a 30 minute drive from the Netherlands to Belgium
Yes Belgian autobahn is nothing more than a glorified townroad.
Yeah, crossing the border from Germany to Belgium, I was always stunned at how derelict the Wallonian towns and countryside looked like..
The big cities in Belgium are top notch however!
I'm a Slovenian living in Finland. Slovenia does indeed look very "western", but the main problem that they have, is that there are insane real estate prices. It's literally impossible for someone of working class to buy an apartment. Their salaries are so low, that the bank won't give them a loan (and if they did, it would have been for 35-40 years). The prices are so high, that they horrify me even with finnish salaries.
- Balkan Odyssey
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Born in Serbia and living in Germany since 2014, this is truly depressing and I have noticed the differences as well. It's truly sad.
Here in Latin America I can relate so much to this video. Not just the poor roads that have huge holes and not just the abandoned buildings, but also that feeling of "nothing can be done" or "it's the way it is" and it's truly frustrating to see what decades of corruption, inflation, drug trafficking and violence and in short poor management has done to countries that had so much potential. Argentina was one of the most powerful economies by the end of the 1800s now it has many problems with inflation. Colombia, Mexico and much of Central America is filled with gang violence. Venezuela sits upon the largest oil reserve but millions are fleeing in exodus to other lands and we view the USA as a type of utopia even though we all know that the USA is far from being perfect.
So yeah, hello from Puerto Rico (yes even though I live in a US territory we suffer the same stuff as the rest of latinos) I love you Balkan people, let's hope and work for a better future. If we don't work and fight for it it'll just be a repeat of the loop.
Much love ❤️
Argentina wasn't powerful or anything, it simply was wealthy because it had really good agriculture and small population, but it wasn't a developed economy.
I am sad because off south America because off just enormous crime and violence.Here there is enormous corruption but still murders are rare thing
@@dzonikg Well it's probably one of the top three most unequal areas of the world, along with Central America and Southern Africa.
Dude, the first part of the video paints a perfect picture of Bulgaria. It's unreal.
@@bulgariainsight429 Може би аз имам високи стандарти, но все още съм разочарован от ситуацията в България.
Това че сме по-добре сега не значи, че сме добре като цяло. Трудно ми е да го обясня в един кратък коментар, който може и да не прочетеш.
През 1997-ма не е било толкова зле защото все още имахме 70% от индустрията си и 6 ядрени блока. А от 2010-та до днес в какво сме напреднали? - че сме въвели всички европейски данъци, пък заплатите ни още са руски! хах
I was in Bulgaria last month. It was beautiful. Except for the air in Sofia. The Bulgarians really love their Diesels.
@@RandomGuy9 We dont - we simply buy old cars dumped from western Europe, that were in style 15-20 years ago when diesels were considered "green" - remember? lol
@@RandomGuy9 Petrol over Diesel any day. I hate Diesels but it is sad how many people love him just to polute more and in fact Diesel is not cheap at all here. The cheapest fuel is the natural gas only.
Came to Germany from Brasil, after a couple of years in Portugal, and I feel the same. These scars will never heal. We'll always be colonized countries. It does not get better.
don't blame others, Brazil is free and independent for 200 years now. It is only a little bit younger than the USA. Germany on the other hand has not regained its full souveranity and independence before 1990.
What you really have to worry about is, why such bogus Marxist ideas as this dependency theory are so widespread in Latin America.
I don't agree with your economic analysis. I don't think that the current situation in Bosnia can be explained by imperialism in Europe. It is rather the lack of institutions and political stability. Bosnia has an awful constitution and a division between Serbs in Muslim which destabilizes country. There are also foreign powers at work... Namely Serbia and Russia. If it was due to some imperialists, it would be them.
Take a look at Croatia. Their institutions have improved, eu membership increases stability further.
Exactly, EU can help a country *a lot.* But it also has to be willing to help itself. And for that... the mindset of the ppl in society needs to shift to something a lot more organized, consciencious & productive... it's the same with Romania and Bulgaria.
Additionally, one thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
@@spork861 Yugoslavia was communist, but not part of the soviet block.
@@MR-ej7kv communism is the same, no matter who is the one using it. Communist china or north korea aren't any better either. I was just saying Soviet Union as a general term.
I'm Portuguese and often travel through Europe. The interesting thing about that is every country is *a little better* or *a little worse* because we're basically a middle-ground.
Portugal seems like it has a very similar situation to mainland Nova Scotia in Canada, formerly imperialist and now bought up by companies in wealthier regions, but with some benefits of being parts of imperialist blocs still (Canada and the EU)
@@Hsalf904 u said a whole lotta nothing
Its no different in Macedonia, personally i find myself going out to escape my own region (city) just to feel a bit of hope . Truly depressing
Glad to see a countryman comrade here. Sad topic, but true. Поздрав другар, сѐ најдобро.
@@zoransmileski6079 even our communist party is trash ffs (левица)
Поз друже!
@@Omesh1 немој така бе, комунизам е кога ја напаѓаш Америка а браниш Русија и Кина аххахаха
@@Omesh1 Saddest part is Левица isnt even left-wing. It's like the American Democrat party central-right. Поз брате, и до тебе и до Zoran.
@@Badinjava why should they be left? we had enough of those leftists here in macedonia!
Blaming Captialism for what Communism and Faschism did ? Low.
I don't think either of those are to blame. Balkan in general is just hardest difficulty mode.
@@mark-o-man6603 All the problems of the Balkans can be traced back to Napoleon and the rise in Nationalism that he caused that culminated in Bismarch and the Second Germ Empire Spearheaded by Prussia - it's toxic militaristic ultranationalist ideology is what poisoned the well of the Balkans quite thoroughly.
@@bgcvetan I'm looking at it from a different angle: Why has the Balkan region always been poor and underdeveloped? And to answer that question you'll have to go much further back in time and consider things like geography - for example how almost disconnected parts of Dalmatia were from the rest. In comparisson it's quite easy to understand how Germany became a European super-power.
Imperialism really is the conspiracy theory answer in this case.
The issue in the region is mass corruption, and always has been.
Also, I have to point out that some points in this video are exaggerated/do not show the full picture.
1. The selective choosing of vibrant and beautiful videos of parts of German countryside in contrast to dreary neighborhoods in Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia.
2. A pretty one-sided explanation of the war. It wasn't just Croatia who did terrible things. (and the event you mentioned is a day of national pride because that is when the nation managed to fend off the invader, not so much as "that is when they committed cleansing"). All others (Slovenia and Macedonia not withstanding) played some role in these acts as well, and most rational people living in the region rightly condemn these acts.
3. This region has a unique culture. I never found myself comfortable in Germany or Austria. Those regions always felt cold and soulless to me.
Anyway, that is all I'll say.
Ooh, I love point 1. - I suspected that might be the case, but I haven't visited the countries myself.
@@dyawr TLDR; Croatia is much more beautiful than dreary Germany.
Germany has lost two world wars. The extremely few colonies were lost soon. There were even plans after the 2nd one to make Germany only agricultural. No one forces you not to change your own country and rebuild everything. It is your choice not to do so.
It's hypocrotical what you say. You don't want workers leaving their countries yet you are the one who did so. You would want things to change but you yourself left the country.
Communists in our lands were always like that. Living in prosperous western countries then preaching some revolution while they go to the same imperialist centers of power that they supposedly despise. They have brought nothing but misery to us.
Well what else he could do? If you hear him you will notice guilt for leaving his country. But the system in Balkan is not intended to be successful. If the EU reailly wants Balkan to be successful part of Europe, it would be. But instead they (EU) support corruption and corrupt politicians in power. Why?
I see no other reason than extraction of wealth and manpower towards centre.
I mean, Balkan is pretty unstable and war is in frozen status, in an unfinished status Q. In that kind of society, life can be hell. And there is always something standing in way of optimism and prosperity, and lately demographics is big thing. Balkan is being emptied.
@@bosanskislavonac exactly so we should do everything so this doesn't continue
@@bosanskislavonac Extraction of wealth ? What wealth, the EU gives far more money to the Balkans than it receives from them, the reason the Balkans is stagnating is because all the young and intelligent people leave.
@@kyzantia8884 You are wrong...here in Serbia like almost all companies from ex Yugoslavia , banks ,shops are now in west hands..you would thing they would have if they dont bring them money?
You would surprise how many popular local brands i remember from Yugoslavia times are now owned by COCA COLA..its very long list ..that are all companies that very established after WWII during socialism..and now that all owned by american company
It is an interesting video. I think anyone from the Balkans will tell you that its obvious many of the terrible major events were obviously influenced to some degree by foreign powers for the purposes of imperialism. But what no one can agree on is which powers did what, and how much did they contribute. Bosnia has one of the highest conspiracy theory believing populations in the world. It underlies all politics in the nation, all bad politicians and ideas have supporters defending them by saying "At least they're the only one fighting x nation". I think you considered one perspective very deeply, but the larger picture is more complicated. I don't know if you suggested socialism as a solution or as a joke, but it would require the ultimate amount of unity, while in the same video you in detail cover the fears that divide the country so much.
One counterargument to your video is that the system in Bosnia right now is not at all economically favourable for foreigners. The logistics are a nightmare due to poor roads, extreme border taxes and workers who can drive across the border... often just don't come back. The bureaucracy is abysmal, I have seen hospitals in Banja Luka without any sort of filing system who often kill patients because they lost or never had the files. And as everyone knows the corruption is extremely high. Foreign investment into Bosnia is extremely low for a European nation due to it being an extremely high risk for capital. In the Banana Wars for instance, global capitalism is the undisputed cause due to the American fruit companies directly acquiring cheap land, lucrative supply chains and political favour in both Latin America and the US. If this situation is a similar occurrence of predatory global capitalism, what is your explanation for their lack of objectives achieved?
There were not many countries that were strong enough to be able to destroy states and at the same time successfully present themselves to the world public as peacekeepers and keep the UN under their control as their puppets, so the list of suspects is very short.
What they achieve is called “the falling rate of profit” and it is an issue with all capitalist economic systems, and not just the systems of cheap labor economies. Essentially, the single owners of companies are investing in too many things besides their own business and often when they do invest in their business they’re making mistakes that a democratic workplace would prob fire them for. Tito gave the people true power by giving the workers control of the means of production, but 1 good leader are followed by 200 bad ones. The people need to realize that they do not have to give their value surplus to anyone and that this is such an independence that they could even die for this right.
Your counterargument can be actually resolved within a year, the problem are the politicians. They enjoy this disaster and the poorer the people, the richer they are.
Then we get to the question "why dont the people choose someone else". Well, I believe they would, if they had that choice and if there was someone else who wouldnt do the same as the ones in power now... Just sad.
@@markobwt7806 This.
How many people went out from bosnia? Cheap eastern european labor flooded western europe in the decades after the fall of the USSR, this is still global capitalism, I don't see yout point in how they didn't achieve their objectives.
Croatia never pushed Serbs out. Soldiers that were caught commiting warcrimes were punished severely. Even the president told them not to leave and were offered their own language, currency and autonomy but Beograd scared them. Please stop splitting people.
Stop rewriting history. They did push Serbs out. Around 200.000. We all need to look at our past and stop playing the card ''Oh but our nation did nothing we were AnGeLs''. Stop with that brainwashing.
What you are doing is splitting people, because of your inability to see the truth and to accept the fact that your country did some nasty shit. Your need to rewrite history because you yourself cannot accept the fact that your country was capable to do shit like that. Balkan countriy's inability to take responsibility about what happened during the war, and I am talking about Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia. It makes me so incredibly angry.
@@Jana-py1vy Croats committed ethnicit cleaning while Serbs committed genocide
@@Jana-py1vy the only way we can agree on what is truth is to trust international law. croatia sent all generals and commanders to hague and oluja was deemed a legitimate military operation, no talk of any ethnic clensing. NDH is a different story as croats are terribly ashamed for what happened except for a loud minority. serbia on the other hand glorofies its war crimes, like the convicted war criminal šešelj, who is free im serbia and running for political positions.
so dont talk about splitting people or truth because all you are spreading is serb propaganda, while croats abide international law.
As someone who lives in Germany, it’s very easy and almost something of a small tradition to critique every aspect in which Germany lacks. And it’s good that way. Theres always something to improve. But looking at large parts of lesser developed countries, and talking with people outside the own „bubble“ puts into perspective how good and fortunate one is by having been born here.
Not everybody has the fortune to live in peace, without ever feeling true hunger or thirst, to live without the fear of suppression, to live in more or less clean cities and be able to work in passable to good conditions.
am from this shitthole Bosnia . I think main reason why we are poorer than west Europe is because of wars and communism , even east-west Germany is still huge difference because east Germany was communism , centralized system eats country potential sadly
The main reason for East Germany's economic deprivation is because the government sold off once state-owned businesses en masse for extremely cheap prices leading after the reunification. This lead in turn to those business being either swallowed up into west germanies companies or entirely destroyed.
East Germany lost most of its industry in the process leaving a huge chunk of the populace without work and due to a lack of recognition for east german degrees in turn lead to many of these unemployed people either finding work in low-grade temporary jobs or none at all.
It also didn't help the mentality changed in its entirety. For a time all east german things were shunned and any and all achievements of the socialist system (completely free healthcare, free childcare services, high quota of working women, nonexistent unemployment, dirt cheap housing and structurally much more modern education system which later got adopted by the Finns). Whereas once workers and their daily toil was praised suddenly academic excellence and the generation of profit was at the forefront.
This all was coupled with a lack of comprehensive reexamination of World War 2 and the Nazis. While initial punishments were much harsher than in the West (all journalists and teachers got jailed for a time) the lack of free speech and assembly didn't allow for movements such as the 68er Movements in which the new generation essentially questioned their parents seeming "sorry-not-sorry" attitude toward their past.
The end result is a heavily dissatisfied populace that feels like its ruled by people far removed from its needs and becomes much more susceptible to the promises of right-winged ideologues and extremists, most prominently the AFD.
While Central Planning was problematic as the heavy centralization of East Germany and focus on East Berlin drowned out the voices of those on lower levels of government (after all, how is an bureaucrat in East Berlin ever supposed to know what a citizen in Lusatia needs when their reports got lost in the byzantine mess of a system?) it is not fully or even directly responsible for the economic deprivation modern EG faces.
Hell, one could even make the argument that Central Planning helped as with it East Germany, previously a bread basket, became the industrial powerhouse of the Eastern Bloc in the decades after the war.
Hope this wasn't too long and gave you a better look at my regions situation.
@@pomeranianproductions647 i understoond 100% , similar thing happen here and other ex communist states .. its so true how in western states there is freedom of speech only for what suits them and when u go against them they call u radical etc etc .. hipocrycy at its best . I was in Leipzig eastern Germany and its so nice , developed , people are nice , its diverse , lot of people from all over the world , its nice to see it , very modern . I really hope and want all best for East Germany and its people ... But reading your reply , am wondering would u like that East Germany seperate from West again or ?
It took him only 3 minutes and 10 seconds to start spreading propaganda and historically inaccurate facts. From the thumbnail I knew he would have unfriendly opinions towards Croatia, but this is on another level. I suggest reading more history books, and less propaganda, or just watch "Why Noam Chomsky is garbage" from Kraut
A bit hypocritical from you to blame it all on capitalist forces, such as USA, UK, Germany and the rest, but then still deciding to live in one of those countries, if you ask me.
Yes, Balkan areas were under different rulers throughout the history, but even after the Yugoslav wars, most of the countries do not seem to progress. Rampant corruption, nepotism and proper plans for economy growth and actual sense of betterment in general of each respective country are the main reasons, and these countries can only blame themselves right now. Soon more and more people will leave - this is evident for Croatia where are I am from, since we are in EU and people have more choices, but I can only imagine how many people would leave BiH and Serbia if one day they also join EU. The only country that has a different mentality than the rest of Balkan countries is Slovenia, I would dare to say, their population is steadily rising and the standard is much higher than the rest.
What I hate about this the most is the squandered potential this whole Balkan region had, if only the mentality of the people in charge was different - not as greedy and exploitative as it is now. Worse off, I don't see it will ever change.
This is so true, it's easy to blame 'evil' west, globalism or capitalism when in all honesty you haven't thrown shit from your own yard. If the author of this video ever studied the road of other countries like South Korea, Norway , Russia etc. from the end of the WWII till' now, you'd be awed at what shitholes they were too once upon a time. Politicians in Balkan are reflections of their population, and it's a hard pill to swallow. It's like the population deserves what's happening to them.
How is it hypocritical? It's not like he personally has the power to reverse capitalism and fix the Balkans. He's doing what any sane person would and going where the jobs are
In other words “you don’t like Capitalism yet you exist”
Basically, he said plenty of conspiracy theories and populist crap and then said that the solution is socialism. The problem is in the people living in the Balkans and nothing else.
I was thinking the same! Our people have a history of blaming others for their problems. There is nothing wrong with capitalism, the problem is our HUGE corruption, which is why we are still cheap labor for the West.
Mentality, education and raising children - everything is fundamentally wrong and bad, and the proof of that are the elections, which are coming again soon.
I understand your pain, your shame. But you lash out at the world rather than ask yourself: Did we Westerners force you to build 1cm-thick roads? Did we make you engage in ethnic cleansing killing sprees? Look at other former victims of Imperialism: Look at Finnland, ruled first by the Swedish, then the Russians, only becoming independent after WW1, much like Yugoslavia. Look at Taiwan, Colony until the end of WW2 and arguably afterwards. Look at South Korea, which had a devastating civil war, look at Estonia, which only became independent in 1990 and was not just the ruled by Russia ever before but also subjected to Socialism for the better part of a century. Look at Poland, subjected to the most horendous violence in the history of mankind, and yet a modern, prosperous, functioning country. Where does your pride end and allow for the realisation that Capitalism didnt do this to you. Your people did.
>Zacharias Ceranski
>"We Westerners"
Come on bro
Your not western nice complex
Lol yeah the politicians the westerns and Russians support built those 1cm roads and every election they just steal. Not saying capitalism is bad, it actually gave some money to the region but exploitation is still everywhere, mines opening almost every day extracting goods for cheap into Germany and shit like that. And plus we don't have a good geopolitical location to surround Russia to get free money from the EU like Estonia, Finland or like South Korea and Taiwan to surround China and get money from the US, no we're on our own already disadvantaged, and constantly under attack from the west and Russia.
Plus the west created the Balkan war into a dumpster fire by it's interferences, half these countries didn't even have capability to do much damage, but when US started bombing everything and supplying weapons to terrorists, bosniaks and Croatians it created even more destruction, btw US never paid anything to Croatia, Serbia, Kosovo or Bosnia.
@@greatgamingchannale8257 Created the Balkan war into a dumpster fire by its interference? You are delusional. The US negotiated for peace between Croatia and Bosnia and tried to bring the Serbs to the negotiating table aswell, only after the Bosnian genocide was in full swing did it intervene. You brought this upon yourselves and if it wasnt for the West creating peace you would still be raping and massacering each other to this day.
And no the West isnt interested in buying Bosnian politicians so it can get a cut from road construction corruption.
I'm from the ex-USSR state of Latvia but I am not socialist or communist in any way and i agree that most successful are those Eastern European countries which are closer to the West, like Estonia (although seemingly in periphery, but very close to FInland), Czechia (close to Germany etc.), already mentioned Slovenia. But when I drive through my region I also observe differences in how people behave. How while we in Latvia sometimes tend to drive like insane on public roads, Estonians really follow the traffic rules. They are bigger believers in rule of law. How we have allowed local oligarchs to take over at least significant part of our media, Estonians have managed not to do that.
Imperialism of rich countries is one thing, but somebody signed off on that privatization papers after communist era and they were locals, not Western imperialists. Somebody signs off on bad quality road building and again they are not Western imperialists. Somebody buries a public transport of running a train line through affluent suburb so that the rich would have less noise, but which degrades the lives of poor people relying on public transport. And again they are not Western imperialists, they are local guys and gals. It has a lot to do with the ''quality'' of local population too. Population in general, not just politicians. And it's not only just ''oh they are undereducated, so they do not know better, if they had better education, economy would boom'', because you can put a government full of people with Oxford degrees and impeccable English and the result is still bad, because... perhaps your rich elite hates your country's poor people and in their arrogance they continue to pass laws that only improve the lives of the rich elite and pump money to their families, not all society. And why are they like that? Because in Soviet times they just owned a horse and a cart and now they are 1st generation rich and want to steal as much as they can, so their kids would never experience something like that. I knew a guy who was complaining about corruption in the country and bad politicians while always hiring his relatives for his local municipality jobs... so much for ''I hate corruption''.
I don't think that we need socialism/communism for quality changes in our countries. What we need is people who do not hate their compatriots but want to work for society's benefit, not just to line their own/family pockets. Also, we need people who understand how economy works as often we also get socialists/communists with maybe good intentions but whose answer to people leaving the country is to close borders and whose answer to ''Western capitalist bad'' is to nationalize all foreign companies in the country or pass laws that make it difficult for foreign investments in the country. And that is not a solution too. Foreign investment is a good thing, but it needs to be overseen and used for the benefit of the country. But it's so bloody difficult to get this all in one package - smart, but also emotionally smart and patriotic people who love their compatriots, all of them, economically smart people, people with vision of what our country wants to be, and we do not need just 1 or 10 of such people but in all levels of bureaucracy... And if we are a democratic country, we need even more of them, as nothing is dictated from the very top, we need such people in all municipalities etc. That is why there are few countries that have successfully gotten rich from nothing and those that were kind of successful, most in Asia like Taiwan or Korea, their main formative growth was during dictatorship period when a team of such bright people could basically just order people below to adhere to such standards. Seems to me it is harder to do that in a democracy IMHO, although for long term success democracy is much more preferred.
Best comment in this whole fucking thread. I am sick and tired of people absolving their own shithead compatriots from any guilt. Western imperialism is bad, but so is Russian aggressive imperialism, and this video barely even mentioned Russia. I have a feeling he's a Serb who has this "anti-imperialist" agenda aimed only at the West because the US/West bombed the shit out of their army in Bosnia after the said army committed genocide on Bosnians.
After living in the United States for 25 years, I am seriously considering moving back to my homeland Bosnia.
Life is not all about money.
There is so much more to life and happiness.
Good to see that you completely ignored the last 100 years of Bosnia when you failed to explain why it is the way it is
What is even sadder is that the same roads are in Serbia, and to make matters worse, in my city, two years ago they dug roads to build a gas pipeline and to make matters worse, they did not seal the holes with asphalt but with gravel🤦♂️. And to make matters worse, no one in my city uses a gas pipeline.
Wtf is that fp
@@bulgariainsight429 a true balkanite
@@KekusMagnus 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🦅🦅🇦🇱🇦🇱
@@SmarzyClip It's the unbreakable Albanian-Serbian brotherhood.
@@SmarzyClip the flag of the future Serbo-Albanian Federal Republic 2030
Fellow Balkan here from Bulgaria. As you said corruption on high levels is so disgusting in our countries, that even if a person wants to go back and contribute, the minute you see all the BS that made you leave in the firs place and you come to the conclusion its just not going to work. At least not in out lifetime.
Bulgaria is colony, you are not to be in position to get better ,the rest of Balkan is same .now take a rifle and go against Russia. Destiny of idiots must be the same.all Balkan
I disagree with your opinion. Many countries of former Soviet bloc are prosperous and rich societies. For example, Czech Republic (where I live), Poland, Estonia, Slovenia etc. These countries are successful because they embraced capitalism and free market.
All of you expect Slovenia were on level of Africa before 2004, EU giving you free money in order to expand around Russia kinda gives you that.
@@greatgamingchannale8257 The EU funds helped us. But the most important was the system that we have adopted after the fall of communism, that encouraged foreign investment and the creation of companies.
All eastern Europe and Balkan are western colony
Fascinating how you are depicting events around 1995, that those occured without reason. And that Croatia did something to disrupt life of people there just out of blue.
We all know who did started destruction in Croatia and Bosnia, when and for which reasons. The poverity which you saw on this trip is part result of war started by Serbia. Not only by destruction, but as well those events made possible that certain type of people profit from these events and raise to power.
Always the victim
And hes mad how the balkan is so poor
Maybe if serbia didn't start 4 wars in the last 8 years it might not be the case
tako je majstore ali uvijek su četnici žrtve na kraju takvi su 😅
They who seek to place the blame for their failings on others, are doomed to never recognise them. Blaming western Europe for the Balkan's situation fails to recognise the actual reasons for their current situation lying with themselves. Bringing up the argument that the Balkan was somehow robbed of it's prosperity by "imperialism" is at best a misunderstanding of what that word actually means. You say the Austro-Hungarian Empire didn't build independent industries there, so what? Why would you build independent industries on parts of your own territory? That isn't just inefficient, it would cause disunity in your own nation by artificially dividing it's internal market.
You claim that prosperity is related to prximity to the industrial center and so it is, but this is just a fact of life, no malicious force at work, you don't ship your goods half way across the country to have them assembled there for the same price as next door. Similarly, educated people tend to congregate where other educated people are present, so those areas will naturally be wealthier.
You begrudge western Europe its headstart in industrialisation and call it exploitation when western European wares are sold to less industrialised societies, because what? Because they're better quality or cheaper than local stuff and thus the locals can't compete? That's just like begrudging a smart person their success because they were born smarter than you or an old couple their home, because they were born earlier than you and had time build it.
The Balkan's problem in the modern time is and always was the corruption and ethnic hatred present there. Societies grow poor from corruption, not the other way around. You might notice that those nations that are doing well are also the ones with the least corruption that provide an incentive for industry and productivity. And to then go and claim that the genocides and nationalism of the Balkan is somehow a "bourgeois" invention and not pervasive thoughout the entirety of the local societies *especially* the lower classes, is just outright false.
Let's also not forget that the 70 year long Serbian occupation, because that is what "Yugoslavia" truly was, also didn't help that aspect of society either.
This video reeks of a westernized balkanoid who got sucked into the communism/socialism pipeline and now tries to morally grandstand about issues he knows jack shit about. Like, Jesus Christ, this sounds like a slightly more eloquent Hasan Piker video.
I think you need to read the Communist Manifesto, then come rewatch this. You have a child's view of Western European imperialism and you managed to misinterpret all of the points made in the video.
@@Narglestopia I think you need to look at every single attempt at communism/socialism and how each and every single time it either failed disastrously or transitioned into a market-driven if not outright capitalist model.
We don't need to read a book covering an ideology deeply rooted in analysis of history by a guy with next to no understanding of history at large to know that maybe the system that has persevered in spite of competition is probably the one we should seek to perpetuate.
Any person who believes Western imperialism is the reason the Balkan states are failing is by definition a child or an idiot because that level of analysis isn't exemplar of someone with the beginnings of a clue about economics, culture, history, and geography.
@@Narglestopia Oh, I read it alright. Anyone who takes the communist manifesto seriously should really not title the views of others as "a child's view".
@@MajinOthinus You can dunk on me all you want, but your comment oozes incredible historical naivete. You buy the imperialist narrative hook, line and sinker, with zero critical thinking. I really do think you'd benefit from reading up on materialist analysis of history.
i love how the mentality is that the foreign powers did this. as if they put guns in the hands and told u to kill your neighbors. its like srebrenica, lets say they gave srebrenica to the serbs, they still could of showed mercy. or vice versa to numerous genocidal war crimes and massive ethnic clensing. brotherhood and unity my ass. if yugoslavia was so great, how did they all turn on one another overnight?
It was a rump state that existed because of the brutal hand of a tyrant and it stopped existing the moment he died.
@@vedsingh2108 thats the entire point. The narrator seems to point a picture that the west is somewhat responsible and capitalism. Its bullshit. These people are straight up genocidal maniacs who only care for their own sect and religion and deem anyone different as an invader that should be killed. No different than isis
BeCaUsE KkApitAlism!!!!!!
@Miloš ive read the cia documents. Their analysis suggests they wanted it to break up but they didnt do much. Greater serbia, greater, croatia, greater albania. These things are real
It wasn't its just that some people lost family members so they want the old times back while others are just boomers stuck in time
There was no ethnic cleansing in the Republic of Croatia. Your compatriots left because Greater Serbia was not established as expected. Your compatriots left because of Milosevic's policy and propaganda. Some have stayed in these areas and are still healthy and living in peace! The war in Yugoslavia began with Serbia's attack on Croatia and other countries. You need to read the historical facts! ;)
propagandist, al ko ga šiša...
I live in Bulgaria and I love my country. Thank God I live here, indeed.
Nice story you're telling yourself (especially as it has some true elements). But the truth is far more horrifying. Namely that Bosnia could look like Slovenia or Croatia by now, if it only managed to overcome it's petty ethnic and religious divisions and focused it's energy on joining the EU instead. In conclusion I suggest reading less Lenin and more Schuman.
Don't worry, it'll come to you one day. When the people of the global south rise up against your mining companies, or the refugees of your imperialist wars flood into your country.
Imperialism is all well and good until you run out of other people's natural resources.
@@Ved000000 Guess why the West has lately been into renewables, recycling and friendshoring? 😉
Also, why do you guys always call it imperialism when Western companies get involved but illegal sanctions when they don't? I would appreciate it if you could make up your mind about that.
He literally talks about how petty nationalism has held the balkans back since the 20th century but you probably got offended when he mentioned Lenin and had to cry in the comments about it without watching the Video
@@nicoschmid668 the gu-y said oluja was ethnic cleansing no need to watch it after that
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
gotta admit how it's weird how despite having a section dedicated to imperialism ( which felt a little off topic itself tbh ) they dedicated to exclusively western colonialism but never touched on Ottoman colonialism ( you know Bonia) until part 4 when Austria was not a colonial power.
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
@@spork861 its quite funny how they think open borders with the EU is imperialism and not being in the soviet union
I would love to meet Balkan Odyssey and have a coffee with him. Just to talk about stuff like this.
especially when you can relate to his story..
i live in north Africa specifically Algeria and I'm surprised of how similar the situation in north Africa and the Balkans is from dirty streets , abandoned projects , corruption, poverty ..ect
the majortiy of our younger generation sadly has barely any hope in fixing our countries
and favor immigrating to the supposed utopian lands if western Europe and north America..i hope one day things get better everywhere and this corruption and hoplessness ends
Its cause we got low iq check out the iq maps the west makes of us
Your youth is your future, no youth, no future
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
Yeah so just to point out to all the english viewers: his bosnian subtitles have a serbian accent and he is calling something an ethnic clensing that wasnt one, this guy is a serb who is butthurt that his country didn’t win the war.
Im not gonna watch further after this gross misrepresentaton of history.
Seeing this as a Bosnian makes me cry every day
Bro, I feel the same. My parents moved from Moldova to Germany. I was born and raised in Germany. Every time I go to Moldova I think how sad it is that such a pretty country is so destroyed and empty.
Same situation but from France
American here, posting at 3 AM for some reason. Gosh I must hate myself.
Even here we face similar trends, as one goes further and further from the urban cores. Most moderately-sized cities are well-kept and great places to live, if say there are 100k or more residents in the direct vicinity of a major city, wealth flowing in from all directions thanks to a large number of trained professionals.
However, the further and further you go from these areas the houses become increasingly dilapidated, with falling visibly decaying planks and missing stairs being the norm. City centers are relegated to the decaying strip mall if anything at all, with perhaps a seemingly shady alcohol establishment and a strong smell of cigarette smoke, and the Walmart with more parking slots than people in the town it serves. And they're surprisingly close to the functional towns of the first part, perhaps only a few dozen kilometers away.
But trust me, it gets even worse than that, as some towns are so unprofitable that they don't even have that. Their main employers have left long ago, and now they are left with nothing but an astronomical unemployment rate. Well, and perhaps a median annual income of less than 17,000 dollars (and this is the United States we're talking about, so living costs are higher.)
Now, about the roads. The roads are well-maintained here, but only because of grants from state governments essentially mandating cities to build more and more infrastructure, more than is profitable or they can maintain. This results in high-quality infrastructure and regular jobs, but there is a flip side. Unable to pay for repairs, towns all over the country fall for bankruptcy.
They don't realize in Europe that some American cities look ten times worse than he just showed if you go along the rust belt from cleveland to buffalo you would find places that look like mariupol during the war.
@@bilic8094 Eh, I wouldn't be that extreme, Mariupol is almost completely destroyed, so it's hard to go 10 times worse, but a good deal of the area is indeed completely rotten and worse than the video.
I should know, I've been to the area before, but much of it is "flyover country"; Driving along major roads and highways you don't necessarily see all of this
@@jevinliu4658 Your roads are too wide, too many and with few taxpayers to their left and right. That is one reason why they are not sustainable.
@@teotik8071 Right. A problem of car-centric suburban development. Once the roads need to be replaced, we need to spend all of our money and then some.
Someone profits, but it certainly isn't the locals, who are left to suffer with rotting infrastructure and fleeing businesses.
I am a Bosnian who lives in USA and I can confirm everything you said is true. USA has lost its shine, unfortunately. Corporate greed has finally fucked up the world, no exceptions.
Man, the balkan situation it's pretty similar to iberic-america, where artificial countries were formed rejecting the Spanish influence and creating a perpetual hate towards Spain, our immediate neighbours and our countries themselves. As a bolivian inmigrant in spain I never felt more identified with that guilt feeling.
Your comment is definitely hyperbolic and not close at all to reality. Most of latin America generally doesn't have "massive hatreds" over each other as you described. Aside from football matches, latin American countries have been living in peace and economic cooperation for a while and there is no sign of ultranationalist movements like the ones that rocked the Balkans. Most of these countries don't really care that much about Spain. "Iberic-America" doesn't resemble the Balkans in the slightest, these 2 places are fundamentally very different.
@@AsiaMinor12 Buddy, I've seen nationalists from all over. I'd be drunk if I took a shot everytime I saw a Peruvian or Bolivian hate a Chilean, a Colombian despising the Venezuelan diaspora there or Brazilian and Argentine nationalists arguing over which was better. Dunno what world you live in but man, South Americans can be pretty ruthless towards each other at times
@@PeruvianPotato everyone hates their neighbours, that's a human thing. Even the most civilised countries in the world (Scandinavia) are continuously speaking shit about each other. I stayed a few months in Sweden and making fun of the Danes was their national sport.
However, the Balkans took it to a whole new level. Remember that they were quite literally genociding each other just 25 years ago. The current situation of Bosnia is a direct result of that fraternal war. Latin America has never seen a conflict like that since the independence from Spain.
@@PeruvianPotato oh so you've seen nationalists? Well, welcome to the real world. Only because you have a bunch of idiots not liking people from other countries doesn't mean that the situation is close to what Yugoslavia was during it's era of ultranationalism. A couple of idiots burning flags and shouting hateful things is not even close to an army or faction that wants to change borders.
@@PeruvianPotato Yeah every country has some stuff with the people of neighboring countries, so you see that everywhere. But what you don't see is f.i. the Brazilian military invading Argentina and Venezuela to wholesale dispose of the male population there. I'm pretty sure that's the kind of ultranationalism Angel was talking about.
i like this story and how you combined your personal one with politics and also the visuals from slovenia, croatia, and bosnia as me and my friend wanted to go on a yugo trip this year but couldn't. and now i can't wait for us to go next year!
Hits hard…I’m living in a city with over a million people…every time I drive I think I drive back through time…but still…I will always drive the 1300km just to get there…
Many members of my family emigrated from "underdeveloped" regions of Eastern Europe (Poland and Ukraine) almost a century ago to developed countries such as the United States, Canada, and (at that time, a booming) Argentina. Most prospered while family that stayed behind endured the horrors of war, various occupations, and stultifying isolation for decades behind the Iron Curtain. But then everything changed in the 1990s, and it was a hard transition but many family members in Europe eventually prospered (yes, even in Ukraine). Meanwhile, some regions where my family lived in the West (the Rust Belt) started to stagnate and decline and people moved to more economically dynamic cities on the coasts. Every continent has metropolitan centers but one thing I observed is successful regional cities have clever elites who can somehow leverage local advantages in the face of implacable global economic forces and create opportunities. No easy task. And yes, history is fickle...and cruel.
Serbs started war in Croatia, they hated Croatia and they left in the end. Better this way then to live in a constant conflict like in Bosnia.
Rightfully hating you for being westoid nazi
Send them to Brazil, everyone will love them
@@dobrasilaomundo.8086 you would send them away pretty soon
When I was a kid Ireland was like this
People in nations still riven by corruption need to get involved in politics and try to slowly change their countries rather than emigrate
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
Makes me remember Galicia, no war since the spanish civil war yet Galicia since the XIXth century has been producing an endless ammount of emigrants (and still is) and u can see that in rural areas with lot's of abandoned villages and houses. But not just in them. We have lot's of differences yet I see many similarities
As a Bosnian who grew up in Galicia, i approve your statements🤝
This video is not bad. But it tends to blame everything that's bad on capitalism, imperialism, globalism and "the west". If that would be true, then it cannot explain why Slovenia is much closer to Germany or Austria than Bosnia. After all, only 32 years ago they took different paths.
I really don't understand how "the west" prevents you from fighting with a corruption.
Look at the Baltic states they are between Russia and the Russian proxy-state Belarus.
They don't live that bad.
Mexico has a long border with US. Why they are having such problems with drug dealers?
The last part killed me. Cleaning toiltes is the job that you could do without any education. Did you try to learn and being competitive with the locals? Of course they would be more loyal to their nation and won't priotirize against locals.
The Baltic states & Czech Republic are arguably (and verifiably) the most developed from the former Eastern bloc. And I'm gonna tell you the *real* reason why - Czechia is in the heart of Central Europe & the people/society there have that type of social culture... while the Baltics are more more like Northern Europe, culturally.
Both regions are known for their development (historically) - and it all starts from the ppl, in all honesty. I'm saying this as a Romanian - at the confluence between Eastern Europe & the Balkans... not the best geopolitcal location or mix regarding people's mentality & way of life..
That's the issue, which was indeed influenced/formed by historical events, probably - but not "the capitalist West". That's some propaganda bs.
Or maybe just avoid waging a civil war to your brothers and neighbors? Or just stop going after administrations that do such awful road works just to scrape a bunch more votes? This is all coming from a society raised in the Yugoslavian regime. You need to reckon that and blame that in the first place. There are no excuses
hahahahaha don't speak about something you don't know a thing
Bulgaria,Romania, even HU weren't in the war, and still are the same as Serbia, BOsnia, Croatia
You are a foking moron mate did Albania Bulgaria Romania and Greec had civil wars or any wars
@@nemanja9260 As a Romanian I can confidently say that we are better off then Serbia , while yes , compared to other EU members we are still pretty bad , we are in a FAR better position then Serbia
Im not into history nor am i from the balkan, but i enjoyed this video very much! Well done and well spoken
This is my first youtube comment ever, mostly because I studied development economics and there are a lot of questionable assertions in the latter half of the video. I will try to keep this short, but if you read some works with empirical academic backing, like "Why nations fail", you will see that nations do not fail because they are being exploited by capitalist neighbors. There are plenty nations that started as backwaters that were arguably being exploited, like Japan or South Korea, but also more recently nations like Poland or Botswana. These all are thriving now. There are a lot of reasons why nations fail, but in the case of the Balkans, it is obvious: The occupations and exploitation by the Ottomans drained people's trust in civil institutions, or the idea of having a nation state that encompasses people of more than just one clearly defined cultural background. Other forms of non-democratic regimes followed which were hardly any better. There is a vicious circle of corruption and low trust. People do not realize how important this is. Look up Poland A and Poland B. Poland A consists of areas administrated by German speaking countries way in the past, and governance there is still more efficient, with people also voting in a way that reflects that. Turkey as well as Italy and recently Eastern Europe built up to a large degree by expats working in Europe and transferring money into Turkey, so this actually seems like a good strategy, unless you country absolutely needs your skills.
Japan being exploited, when? Anyway, "why nations fail", I think, doesn't have a complete argument when it comes to development. Institutions definitely matter a lot, but the case for democracy seems a bit weaker. The idea that trust in civil institutions is the key factor for development is also, in my view, a bit circular.
I can also say that you are right..like look Yugoslavia while was still together. Same socialist system ,same country ..but still Slovenia had 8 times higher income per capita then Kosovo ,or Vojvodina which region in NOrth Serbia but had roots in Austria Hungary had 4 times higher income then South Serbia..all that in same country Yugoslavia which had same socialist system for everyone
@@FOLIPE Why do you think the case for democracy is weaker? I'm curious?
Japan was a colonialist empire until US occupation, at which point it was strategically rebuilt by the US to act as a buffer against the USSR in the pacific. South Korea was the same, the US backed a military dictatorship there to maintain a capitalist buffer state against Chinese consolidation and to achieve encirclement of the Eastern Bloc. These places were strategically invested in with the goal of empowering a national capitalist class that would suppress dissent and protect US interests in their region.
"Why Nations Fail" is ideological claptrap, capitalist orthodoxy which provides a post-hoc justification for the current world order.
@@pyramidschema8668 Dude almost every nation that has adopted the free market has experienced vast economic progress and eradicate of poverty. China and India weren't US allies to name a few and they experienced an unparalleled economic growth for a large populated country within a decade. 90% of Indian population in 1991 were below poverty(before the liberalisation of the economy) and worse with China in 1978 before China adopted free market. Now poverty is around 1% in China and 10% in India.
Hm, interesting how 1991 and 1992 are forgotten.. . I do remember who startred it all... so I guess there is someone to blame I think... But ok, lets all share on the blame...
It's quite revealing from the comments that people are highly resistant to truth. They genuinely try to convince themselves that the disparities in global per capita income levels is simply a function of good/bad governance and nothing else.
Yeah it's extremely frustrating to read these comments unable to explain these things knowing that they'd be interesting to listen. I guess it just gives me more reason to make additional videos on tbe topic.
Please read through the history of the 1st Austrian Republic (1918/1919 - 1933) + the Austrofascist Ständestaat (1933/1934 - 1938) and you will notice that Austria was extremely poor at that time and the state was a complete banana state , where the political parties fought each other in the villages and towns (+ a 6 day civil war in February 1934) while much of the population was starving! Then came the self-elimination of parliament in 1933, which brought the Austrofascist regime to power, and finally, in 1938, the connection to the Nazi regime, where all political opponents were put in concentration camps and executed (+ the leaders of the Austrofascist regime, themselves from 1933/1934 - 1938 put their political opponents in concentration camps (with the difference that the Austrofascist concentration camps did not gas prisoners) and also executed them too! Only through the peaceful cooperation of the parties in the 2nd Republic (the leaders of the parties had sat together in concentration camps realizing it was a mistake not to work together with the other parties so they swore they would work together in the 2nd republic to make the 2nd republic a success story) + of course by the Marshall Plan and the 12-year term of office of the sozialdemocratic Chancellor Bruno Kreisky (1970 - 1982), Austria was able to leave the status of a poor banana republic behind and join the rich countries of the world! That's why your statement is not correct, that Austria was always a rich country, this situation only became so when the catastrophic time from 1918 - 1955 was over!
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No, Austria was not an extremely poor banana republic in total. That's probably a correct description for the rural areas of Austria in that time, but *Vienna* had been also in the early 20th century one of the strongest and most economically developed cities on the planet.
@@gisbertvonromberg2227 literally the economic problems of Austria were the main reason for the annextion into in 1938. Austrias infrastructure was based on developing and making things while the other lands of what used to be Austria-Hungary delivered ressources.
That is a lot of bullshit. If you really think Austria ever was among the poor countries during any given period of time, then you are delusional. To the contrary - Austria was relative to its peers always rich.
At some point poor countries will no longer hide their misery behind “colonialism” blame card. Singapore, Brunei and Malaysia are much better economically than Thailand - but Thailand was the only South-East Asian country that was never colonized. Liberia and Ethiopia were least affected from colonialism, but they are far from being the most prosperous in Africa. Rwanda and Botswana are examples of post-colonial countries that went past the “you colonized us!” Blaming game and started fixing their country.
The real question here is, is your generation THE ONE that wants to fix your country? Successful people look for opportunities, miserable people look for excuses.
And yet being colonized matters, as does having a shitty political system. It's just that colonialism makes it much more likely your country will have a shitty political and economic system as colonies are purpose-built for that. You had to hand-pick examples to disprove that point, but truth is clear: the average income of post-colonial societies is much lower than that of post-colonizer societies.
@@FOLIPE "being colonized matters" - true, but this is no excuse for poverty. Every country in America was colonial, but "English America" is better than Latin America. Curacao, Bermuda, and French Guyana (aka still colonies) are actually the richest places in America. To add to Africa and SEA examples, China and Japan were the only "non-colonized" in East Asia, yet the difference between these countries is huge. Taiwan and both Koreas were colonies most of the time in that region, 2/3 of those countries are rich and prosperous. In Scandinavia, Iceland and Norway were mostly colonies of Sweden or Denmark, yet they are richer and better than Sweden and Denmark. The economy of Ireland is in better shape than the UK - a former colonizer of Ireland. Also, Hungary lives worse than Slovenia, Croatia, Czechia, and Slovakia, but Hungary was one of the monarchies within the Austro-Hungarian empire, so they should've lived better than the subjects of the empire. Iran and Saudi Arabia were the only non-colonized countries in the Middle East, but Oman, UAE, Qatar, Jordan, and Bahrain have better economies.
Actually, there's not a single region that statistically proves that "colonialism gave poverty", and one continent proves quite the opposite of that statement.
@@RomanLavandos thats because anglos genocided while latins mixed
@@sidimightbe explain to me exactly how killing random people can directly improve economic situation, HDI, wages and corruption perception index? stalin, mao, and hitler killed the most, it didn’t make their countries suddenly rich and uncorrupted because of that, those countries only started to improve after those dictators died.
Botswana was barely effected by colonization
I like your videos, however here there are many historical inaccuracies in this one. Slavonia and Oluja, time and place are completely different. Oluja did not happen in Slavonia, it was further southwest. You cannot really talk about Serb abandoned villages and Oluja on the way to Bosnia and Herzegovina when traveling via Slavonia. Those are complexity different things. Yes there are some Serb villages that are abandoned in Slavonia, but those are mainly not on your way to Bosnia and Herzegovina or have anything to do with Oluja. Serb occupied territory in western Slavonia were liberated in various operations from 1991-1995 such as Otkos 10, Orkan-91, Papuk-91 and Bljesak. Furthermore, in those areas Serb population was not expelled, they mostly left the area with the military push backs. In my village Serb paramilitary committed horrible massacre of ethnic Croat civilians when they were leaving the area, even some Serbs that were not willing to leave with them. So yeah, try to be more factually correct. You are sticking to Oluja as it is the only thing that ever happened in the early 90 during the war, when in actuality it has nothing to do with the area you are talking about.
Most of his videos are basically "ko nas bre zavadi" wrapped in a pretentious pseudo babble and infantile commie propaganda.
One thing you have to realize about this video is that he flat out refuses to mention the negative effects from the rule of the Soviet Union, and how they messed the balkans, russia, and eastern germany. The Communist Soviet Union is what fucked up the balkans with its inhumane rule up until the 90's, and they're the ones who are responsible for eastern germany being still shitty. And of course people don't want to stay in such fucked up wastelands anymore if they can use their skills elsewhere.
You have to realize that the soviet union ended December 26, 1991, that was NOT long ago. And a lot of the governments of countries that were formerly enslaved by the soviet union are still up to this day pro soviet rule. Which is why they were sucked dry of all their resources and money and not given any food, money, or even power to make decisions all this time. No wonder the balkans, east germany, and everything else that was previously under soviet rule is now still decayed and trashed (including vast areas of russia itself).
The western countries of europe wanted to have a stable economical relationship with the balkans and all those countries, but literally couldn't, because the soviet union was controlling them until the 90's. If western countries tried interfering they would have been in danger of triggering war with the soviet union. So all things considered the western countries that are painted in such a bad picture in this video didn't even do so much harm, they tried helping, but they can't baby sit every country themselves after the soviet union leaves. And like I said, many of the governments still in place in the balkans still hang onto pro soviet values, so there's only so much the west can do politically to help.
This video is pro communist propaganda, that's why he ended the video with a motivational quote from Karl Marx, the one who wrote the communist manifesto.
Actually, the nature in Bosnia is arguably much prettier than the one in Germany... especially compared to the northern, flatter parts of Germany :)
The northern flatter parts are in my opinion the more beautiful ones, especially the baltic coast. it is also not less beautiful than bosnia, just different.
@@Siebentod-rp4dk I live for years now in that same northern part (but I am originally Bosnian), and if a person likes flat areas with many lakes, and also a sea coast specific for north Europe - then such person will find North Germany nicer. If you like hills, mountains and clean, fast rivers, then Bosnia will definitely be more likeable :)
Instead of blaming imperialism you could take Germany or Austria as an example on what to do after being devastated in a war. Maybe then your country wouldn't be such a shithole. Remember Germany after ww2 was probably even more destroyed than the balkans after the 90s.
The Balkans didn't get a Marshall Plan
Lmao.
Let's use 10k drone shots for Germany/Austria/Slovenia and lets use toaster on rainy day in Bosnia, seems only fair.
Using footage of some god forsaken village with population of 10 for stating that all roads are like that is beyond stupid.
So many videos of tourist enjoying our country, beautiful nature, sceneries and than there is you stating, that apparently when you cross the border everything becomes grey. Like what, we don't have color here? Sorry maybe in next update your highness.
Things are far for perfect here, but this video is pure bs.
As someone in the Hungarian diaspora, I definitely feel the same way about going back to visit family. Most people earn under 1000 euros a month if they're lucky, while German tourists spend 3000 a week on accomodation and all the nice things our country has to offer. Don't get me wrong, tourism money is nice to make for those who have an extra house from the Communist era- but few see the benefit nationally, because Germans only go to select areas of the country (like Lake Balaton). Is our corrupt, half-despotic political system worth living in for the chance to make tourist money? No, so many in recent years have chosen to emigrte and use their former family home as a place to gather around Christmas when tourists are back in the imperial Western core.
As a country which suffered through communism Hungry is doing well. It’ll take time to close the gap between the West to a certain degree.
@TRACKMAN2 It's a fact that Estonia is in much better shape than the Balkan countries
From what I have read Hungary has a lot more to offer than tourism. And it has low income inequality.
Not everyone who comes to Hungary can spend such amounts. I earned a lot less monthly and went to Budapest. Of course, I took care to be decently dressed to make a good impression. And people tend to go to nice areas with nice hotels or hostels. Lake Balaton has that as much as Budapest has that. But I am not sure about other parts of the country
Hungary has been developing rapidly in the past 10 years and I constantly meet people like myself who moved back home from the west because life is happier here.
You are one of those insufferable negative types who just want to whine for the sake of it. Stay there if it makes you happy, but don't act as if you are forced to live there.
You described it like Oluja happened without reason. ;)
It has been going on for over 100 years.
kill 1/3rd of serbs
displace 1/3rd of serbs
and catholosize the rest
ustasha mindset
@@goranmiljus2664 keep repeating that, maybe it becomes true one day.
No it won't. Your type has succeeded. Congratulations.You must be proud.
@@goranmiljus2664 yes.
You croats always have "excuse" for slaughtering and ethnic cleaning, just like in ww2. But now your "precious country" is just empty shithole.
Finally someone summarized it all into a format that anyone can understand. Thank you a ton for this!
A former Bosnian woman veteran(Zlata Gazibara) also complained and proposed to the local city mayor.They said "repair the road that you liberated".
from response to another comment: imperialism is certainly a factor, but ethnonationalism and corruption could have been at least mentioned to give this video more depth. not only politicians, but a significant amount of the population, especially christian population, the pseudoserbs and pseudocroats, have been poisoned with ethnonationalism. you don't need any help from western forces when half of the population has separatist tendencies and calls neighboring countries their homeland-either out of sheer ignorance and brainwashing or unconscious islamophobia which makes them eager to adopt identities which would rid them of any association with islam. imperialism also plays a role here though, as it has greatly influenced perceptions of christianity and islam.
the significant role of religion in shaping separate identities which then clash on such a small territory is often overlooked. the most effective way to get identical people with even identical language to perceive each other as separate. this applies to balkan people in general, but is especially unfortunate in countries like b&h and montenegro, which have the most potential to develop healthy citizenship-based nationalisms and as such serve as some ideological beacons of hope in the balkans. but this potential has its other end of the extreme where the continuous exploitation of multiple identities results in more conflict, which seems closer to reality and which prevents many of us from deciding to stay here. if it comes to that point, it won't be the west's fault, it will be the fault of our local leeches whose minds are perverted enough to covet ethnonationalism and fascistic ideas after everything that happened in the 20th century.
I find your analysis about ethno- nationalism and identity in general to be very poor. You never address why people purport to an identity or give a nuance take on it. Ethnic or cultural identity and ethno-nationalism is the reason most colonial nations are independent and a reason why some are very successful as well or atleast have a booming economy. Its simply human nature that people will cling on to an identity and naturally also will want to compete against other Identity groups. Balkans didn't just hate each other simply because they belonged to a different identity( i stress the word simply). There's tons of factors that came into play. One of them the history and dispute over independent and United Yugoslavia. You can't change human psychology and the alternative isn't much better(I can give you examples if you want). Plus united Yugoslavia was hell and things are much better in independent Yugoslavia nations than they were back then in terms of economic growth and standard of living. Did ethno-nationalism go too far. Yes. But can people live without it and is it the worst thing ever? There's no evidence to make a definitive claim.
@@okay1775 it is not an analysis of ethnonationalism and identity in general, it's a youtube comment on the role of ethnonationalism/identity in destabilizing bosnia and the entire region.
yes, many powerful countries were formed through ethnonationalism. in that sense ethnonationalism at least had pragmatic value even if you disagree with it morally. but in the 21st century, with long-established sovereign countries, among which there are many true or quasi-multiethnic ones, ethnonationalism is not only barbaric and delusional, it is also the complete opposite of pragmatic.
'human nature' is constantly evolving, that's how we got out of caves and eventually started criticizing tribalism. i made no claims about yugoslavia. i'm also not sure if you're conflating ethnonationalism with nationalism-for me there's an important distinction between the two and i'm not opposed to moderate, citizenship-based nationalism, which is actually what bosnia needs more of
The great misery part literally make me think about my hometown in Spain looked and still look like this, with abandon houses, buildings still on construction (today some of those buildings still on construction but the project were abandon years ago) some places with trash and roads with holes and poorly fix, with new projects that never happen and the feeling of "this town is a shithole and is falling apart" is always there.
In Kosovo where my parents are from, there also are looots of houses that were left on construction. Many of them were abandoned long ago because people couldn't afford to finish them. It has become somewhat of a staple of the landscape there.
As an Indian living in Germany this is so different experience. When I go to India, it's changing so rapidly. More construction happening. Towns now becoming cities and cities into bigger cities. I just hope to stay my end of days in India.
India is on a good way with its current government from what I can see from outside (German). It lets the people get in touch with the ancient roots of the culture and doesn't think so much in European categories anymore (...isms). Capitalism and socialism are ideas about the organization of industrial society, but that doesn't say anything about people going beyond their conceptions and doing a conscious evolution of themselves. This is the part that was missing in the society of both East and West Germany in former times, although people in West Germany had a much better access to the world and books about Yoga, that didn't exist in the Eastern part. My impression is, India is gearing up to play a very positive role in the world (and maybe rename to Bharat...).
I think the situation in India today demonstrates how much of these problems is not merely the hostility of foreign countries, but internal leadership. India did suffer from stagnation for decades under poor leadership, but with more decisive leadership in power that is in touch with the spirit of the nation, it's making progress in leaps and bounds. You have to expect countries to pursue their own interests, no foreign nation is going to fix your problems unless they're charging a hefty price to do so. I a people want to improve their nation, they have to take it upon themselves; finally, after decades, India has set out upon that path and I pray she continues to have the leadership to see it through.
@@costakeith9048 True, but India was invaded for a thousand years, first by several Muslim conquerors and then by the British. It takes time to get past the internal chaos created by those actions, both on the individual and on the societal level. It's like PTSD on the society level, people need to get on their feet again first.
India is very much like Switzerland now.
@@sal78sal You are absolutely crazy to claim this. India is still an incredibly poor country compared to Switzerland, which is incredibly rich. In Switzerland the poorest people still live in nice houses, have free food, free healthcare, and their kids have free and good education from kindergarten to university. Do you know how the poorest people live in India? They literally are just left to die in the tens of thousands each year. Why do you think Switzerland still sends many millions of aid to countries such as India?
The claims made in the video are incorrect. In Europe, Poland, Finland, Portugal, Hungary, Greece, Malta and Kosovo have a cleaner national composition than Croatia. Operation "Storm" was also an operation to liberate Croatian occupied territories from Great Serbian aggression and appropriation. Croatia was internationally recognized in 1992, which gave it the legitimacy to defend its territory from terrorists. Regarding "ethnic cleansing", the Serbs expelled about half a million Croats and about 250,000 Bosniaks, and the total number is estimated at one million because not all of them were registered. The biggest crime after the Second World War was committed in Srebrenica, where the Serbs killed slightly more than 8,000 unarmed men, women and children. That is the true definition of "ethnic cleansing".
As someone who loves playing ETS2 and driving in the Balkan region in the game, this is definitely a reality check.