Boy I tell ya Christo, the film's you have provided for our enjoyment and serious study is fantastic. As well as your free exchange of your own surveys and ideas has been a true tribute to the Game and of the highest character. Thank you so much.
I think Hogan was describing the most important fundamental in golf...and baseball. Laying back the club or bat. Getting the right feel at waist high first was key for me...feeling the club shaft flattening or laying back or laying down as it falls from the top while (very important) the handle simultaneously begins to move out toward an imaginary ball position and the pulling back (out of the way) of your left hip naturally pulls and squares the club through the hitting zone (handle before club face and right elbow is well blow your left at this point) and you can get a little extra punch by straightening your right arm through impact as your weight settles to your left side and momentum finishes your swing. Anyway It’s a night and day transformation for my swing that somehow never clicked until I spent some time watching baseball instruction videos. Everything good that’s happening now seems to flow and fall into place from here. A giant leap in my swing evolution! Thanks.
Ben Hogan swing has very good similarity, even coincide, with baseball batting. Move forward the lower body front side (abdomen), stay the right shoulder far behind and keep low. Push with right forearm (no rotation), drive the bat with the radius (the bone between the outside elbow and the thumb). If you find a baseball batting teaching video to watch, I am very sure you could get the basic idea of Ben Hogan swing. And it is prevailing in today's golf tournament, even little Tiger, Charlie, swing in this way.
Thanks Christo. Reviewing this video and your analysis: reaffirmed the importance of a full shoulder turn. Just for anatomical clarification. There is no right or left shoulder; as the shoulder is one complete unit that is connected to our upper torso. The shoulder is also the key to coiling our body downward. This coiling action creates tremendous potential energy for our lower part of our body to kick into tremendous reactive kinetic and elastic energy that communicates upward back to our shoulder and arms. What Hogan did and many pro golfers do is that they rotate their full shoulder in a smooth one piece take away fashion and never think if one shoulder overtakes another. I am sure during your swing you cannot stop and think of the positional sides of the shoulder as you are rotating your shoulder as well as you do. And as far as I can see you know how to swing a club. Christo here is a fun experiment for you and anyone who may be reading this do. Without a club in your hand touch both sides of your shoulder Now rotate your shoulder to completion on your back swing. While staying in you posture simply rotate you shoulder in the other direction. Note below and see the knees especially the right one. . Fascinating is it not; how the shoulder communicate to the feet and knees and visa versa. Also I need to point out that a proper back shoulder rotation is what actually moved the arms to the top of the swing. Not the arms rotating the shoulder. Approaching the top of the swing the arms attempt to pull away from the shoulder which creates a strait lead arm at the top or end of the shoulder rotation. I will prove this to you if you simply take your club handle placing your right hand in a fixed trigger finger position. Now while in posture; simply rotate you shoulder to 180 degrees downward. You will personally see the right side of your shoulder rotate at 90 degrees (or more) which in realty the total shoulder rotated at 180 degrees ( right side set at 6 'O Clock and left side at 12'O'clock. Now slowly rotate you shoulder in reverse direction and tell me what you have found out for yourself. Would lover to hear from you on this matter of the reverse shoulder turn. Thanks for reading.
This is the best & most coherent explanation I've ever heard of the job of the right elbow as it relates to the right hip. Not only do you speak precisely, you use Hogan's own swing in a tutorial by Hogan himself to validate what you say. I believe that "anchoring" the right elbow to the right hip is foundational to Hogan's consistency. Excellent.
Bro. Ground up is EVERYTHING. I have taught middle schoolers, high schoolers, 50 yr old adults, 30 yr old adults.... all because I take the club away, and have them move their arms with their legs. It's probably the best way to teach people, because it really gives a sense of tempo and connection.
In all of the swing analysis videos you will see Hogan’s clubhead ‘bobble’ or drop slightly in transition. This is caused by a certain amount of grip pressure and relaxation in his wrists. If you do not have the feeling of the clubhead dropping or bobbling at the top of your backswing then your hands and/or wrists are too ridgid. Without the right grip pressure the rest of this is null. Hogan talks about starting the downswing before he finishes his backswing. Its very similar to Bobby Jones’ almost lazy swing. Like a pendulum never pausing. That combined with the correct grip pressure will give you the sensation of the clubhead dropping at the top. That is everything needed to “get into the slot”. That is the slot. Its not a deliberate pushing of the left arm, or twisting of the wrist, or dropping of the elbow. Its a matter of finding the right amount of grip pressure that allows the wrists to cock correctly that leads to all of the rest of this. When your wrists cock correctly, the clubhead feels heavy at transition causing it to drop, and you suddenly feel the need to spin 110 mph to make it move. Everything falls into place on its own.
One thing to keep in mind, this swing of Hogan’s is with his driver, so the longest club in his bad. Naturally with a longer club your swing plane would be flatter and more round, vs a shorter iron with a more upright lie angle. People will try and copy his flatter driver swing with all their clubs and they’re failing to understand that the swing plane naturally is different from club to club.
I found the secret move is not to let gravity drop the arms or the hands from the top position during the downswing. Rather to drop the right elbow down first towards the right side while turning my hips. This move actually fixed all my tendency to come over the top while driving aggressively with my right knee towards my left knee. More distance straight with more shallow compressions. BTW I am .5 handicap playing competitive golf for many years. I feel I can score much lower now.
And of course it's basically what Harvey Penick described as the "magic move" as well. It's interesting how all the "different" instruction philosophies start to line up once you really begin to understand the swing. For me, I also think these things are the natural result of having the right athletic intention in the swing. So much golf instruction gets so cerebral that I think it's easy to forget it's an athletic motion to be made without hesitation, fear, or reserve. It's those latter things that really get in the way of letting the body do its thing, and why Nicklaus's advice to "first learn to hit it hard" is so important.
Harvey Penick without a doubt had the most influence on me as a golfer as a coach and as a person. I am certain this move got roots with our founding fathers of golf. I tried the magic move 15 years ago, however I didn't get the same results then. I think I was trying to move my elbow laterally towards my right side while bumping my left side forward. The difference now is I drop my elbow straight down influenced only by gravity. This move fits with the feels that Hogan talked about that he doesn't feel his hands on top dropping. He also talks about hitting the ball with two right hands. The Elbow acts as the center Lever to throw the right hand at the ball and through between the two pivots of the right and left hips.
Harry El-Kara we are very closes to being on the same page. Which I like since your handicap is lower then mine. What my one swing thought now is at the top of my downswing my trail elbow simply leads my trail hand. This one action immediately shallows the club; opens up my entire lead side and allows me to swing the club with the entire forces of my body. It's now that simple At 72 I finally know how to do it right. Cheers.
Great vid, but lest we forget that keeping your spine angle throughout impact is seriously important. When you prematurely 'stand up' or 'come out of your swing,' you'll know it by decreased height of ball flight and less distance and accuracy. Through impact, you should have the same spine / head position as if you just skipped a rock upon water. Anyway, 2 thumbs up for this vid.
@BigSkyOkie I was very impressed by the coach of Micheal Phelps. In a video, Mike pretended to throw his coach into the pool, the coach show: 'I can't swim.",. But he still the coach of the greast swimmer in mankind history just because he has the knowledge on how to improve for a quicker swimming.
@@wapiti3750 You keyboard jocks are all alike. You have no idea what the fuck you're saying. The bigger the talk, the smaller the chalk, chump. you'd lose your ass, son.
You are doing great service! I think you should explain more how Hogan "turned the club face down" way before the hit! Not surprising that his driving partner in the 40s was Jack Nicklauses teacher Mr Grout and they obviously discussed the left wrist thru the ball and that there is no other golfer who does it better than Jack! Peter beames
Peter Beames Thanks, Peter! Yes, Grout would ride with Hogan to some tournaments. They had to talk about it. I refer to it as the Hogan Roll in many videos.
You just don’t see this type of swing today . Ben Hogan moves his weight to his left side as the club reaches the top of his swing - that’s why he creates such lag and is able to come at the ball from the inside with power and accuracy! Never get tired of watching this swing!
Ben Hogan may have been one of a kind & I have massive respect for him and what he did. With that said, nobody is going to tell me that his shoulders weren't rotating wile his hips were turning. There is a lot to learn and Christo seems to have grasped much of what Mr. Hogan did, however, try putting your elbow under your liver and timing a push with your right forearm. That's a move for a world class athlete. Go ahead and try it. You have less than a nano second to make it. I'm a college level athlete & I doubt that I can do it.
I've always found it interesting that there seems to be far more consideration put into the details of a golf swing when compared to some other athletic actions. If you are talking strictly distance, there would be essentially no difference if a person's back knee is bent at a 30 degree angle when compared to a 25 degree angle. It would matter almost not at all if the person brings the club back to parallel, or slightly short, or beyond parallel. I'm not referring to comically horrible swing or grip flaws. Likewise, if a baseball pitcher plants his lead foot 4' in front of his torso, or 4'2", or his lead foot is aimed straight at home plate or 10 degrees to one side. I'm not saying that it would make no difference. But these things do not add 20 MPH in pitch velocity, nor 30 and probably not 20 yards on a drive. Being blessed with fast-twitch muscle fiber makes a _far_ greater difference.
To me it's because it's the most difficult thing to do, I can throw a football no problem, slap a puck, hit a bucket, but to hit a good clean golf shot, I'm just not great at it lol
Hello me swing evolution you film up at Eaton canyon do you give one on one lessons up I would be very interested in getting lessons from you if that’s possible let me know thank you so much for your great videos
I think you need lower hands at P6 (half-way down) ... agree with the hip rotation bit. However, I use extensor action at the top and then simply turn thru the ball with the torso ...arms are like thick ropes that whip thru impact with a bowed left wrist and flexed right wrist. Hands are ahead of ball at impact due to your bump left and hip turn ...not a purposeful thrust of the arms forward. I do have a thrust element to my swing ...this is created by the diagonally upward push of right big toe and the vertical upward thrust of the left knee (parametric acceleration) ..if timed correctly you get massive flash speed thru impact
I totally understand what you are saying. My intention was to point out the amount of right arm bend coming into the ball that allows the arms to extend far past impact. Describing the action of one limb can never be complete because the mechanism works as a whole. Also, it sounds to me like you've got a damn good swing! I always appreciate your thoughtful comments.
Thanks Christo ...that's high praise coming from awesome golfer such as yourself ...much appreciated ..and btw, here's a GIF I made some time ago that shows (IMHO) the correct degree of right elbow unfolding that I use in my swing ... imgflip.com/gif/1riajt
Hogan squared his club face at impact with wrist action and generated most of his swing force in how he arrested the forward movement of the hands and let the laws of physics whip the club around them reactively. In the video when hands drop below the waist watch how little forward progress the hands and how the shaft of the club blurs and bends forward slightly in the 24 fps video. His preference for hitting law draws (how he won long drive contests in his caddying days with Byron Nelson) explains his low swing plane created with right arm kept tucked in as much as possible. Compare it to Nicklaus whose flying right arm favors hitting fades. But at the top with a tucked in right arm and flat wrist the club shaft will be laid off and club head mass too far behind the heels at the top of the backswing which is why he hyper-extended the left wrist (cupped back) with complementary flexion of the right wrist at the top of his backswing in full swing driver shots. That simple change from flat wrist to extension/flexion at the top moves the club shaft from 45° laid off / to = parallel and in the ideal position for balance over the feet and inside-square-inside downswing arc. His right arm folding in the backswing and left in the finish as it did so consistently was the result of him always establishing the grip with elbows down and bent with club hanging in the air | - a bit below horizontal. He would first hang it with left hand thumb pad and index finger then add the right hand middle fingers as illustrated in Five Lessons. The “towel wringing” magic happens when the arms straighten as the club is lowered and the left arm is hyper-extended at address to simulate how the club force pulling the arms down to the ball before impact stretches them about 1/2”. As the arms straighten the interlaced grip forces the two forearm to twist (ulna/radius rotation) creating COUNTER TORQUE between them - that towel wringing feeling that bulges the Brachioradialis muscle that runs over the elbows. As when wring a towel the more the hands are pressed toward the ground the tighter the muscles stretch to the point where when all the slack is pulled out of them by pulling the left hand down by pushing with the bent right arm the shoulder-arms-hands triangle feels like it made of welded steel rods! The grip which was very neutral / weak when hands were placed on the grip in the air with bent elbows strengths as the left palm pronates as it pushes down to take out the slack and add torque with the right twisted back toward the target to stabilize the left hand when it sweeps the club back from the ball in a wide arc. At strong (pronated and extended) left wrist is needed to have the leverage to needed to resist any additional pronation in the backswing. Butt of club stays pointed at body in the takeaway (critical for correct path in his swing style). He speaks about the lower body in the video,. but seriously folks do you think he’s really revealing 100% of how it worked? Nope… Modern swing theory (since Nicklaus) calls for the back leg to retain some bend at the top of the backswing. Not Hogan or Snead or many of the others that started in the era of wooden shafted clubs. In the takeaway Hogan made a lateral shift of the hips back >> causing the front left leg to become more vertical shifting support to the front leg. It is how Hogan bent his right elbow in the downswing that gave that arm the MECHANICAL LEVERAGE to control the CANTILEVER LEVER ARM pivoting from the left shoulder socket. Other golfers in his era like Byron Nelson and Snead used the same right arm leverage in the same place to slow the forward progress of the hands by intentionally locking up the hips 45° closed to trigger the whipping action. But Hogan’s grip was different! During the downswing he changed and maxed out all three aspects of left wrist motion but sneaking Mr. Hogan only mentions one - supination. He achieved the palm-up supination by also maxing out flexion and as that occurs just before impact he whipped his hands and the club head and face at the inside of the ball by releasing the extension and radial deviation from the right wrist which provides the leverage to control the path in the downswing - the left is the lever arm, the right controls the path and forward velocity of hands vs. club head to trigger and control the whipping action. When I learned to duplicate Hogan’s swing in the 2008-2009 period and discovers the last radial-to-ulnar deviation move before impact I was amazed at how much it moved the club and closed the face into the ball. I also realized it is EXACTLY the same wrist action and mechanical leverage used when hammering nails, chopping wood, fly casting or cracking a whip - a quick change from radial-ulnar deviation and in the right wrist a simultaneous change from full back hyper-extension to simply relaxing and letting the club force pull the right wrist straight, which in Hogan’s grip caused the flexion, supination and ulnar deviation of the left wrist to MAX OUT. Why was Hogan’s ball striking so consistent? 1) An “iron triangle” formed by the lowering of the club at address, and 2) maxing out all three aspect of left wrist movement at impact by how did #1 and letting the club force pull the extension out of right wrist just through impact as ball is compressing on the face. The face of the club is open at impact and must contact the ball inside of center /o but the rapid changed from radial deviation (lag) to full ulnar deviation just before impact snaps the face closed so fast | - - - o >>> the face is square to the target when it rebounds off. If timing is off the whipping closed with the ulnar deviation creates a pull-hook, why Hogan missed that way. When swing is perfect the result is a very predictable and consistent draw. You don’t see the radial-to-ulnar deviation move in the video but if you duplicate his grip and let the club pull the right hand straight just as open club face hits the inside of the ball you will experience it and see the resulting gain in ball compression, spin and carry distance vs. a similar swing without the radial-to-ulnar deviation move.
The right knee goes forward because he is driving off his right instep. The right elbow has to get down to, or in front of the right hip (in the slot) to drive the golf club. Like throwing a ball sidearm. This shallows the shaft allowing better contact and more power.
Here's something I also noticed about Hogan's swing here thru impact: Notice the left knee. It actually moves past the foot toward the target!!! Would this not keep the club on line for a longer period of time? Your thoughts Christo? Btw... I just checked out a video of Tiger's swing to compare... Tiger's left knee is more or less in line (vertically stacked???) compared to Hogan. Tiger seems to straighten the left leg earlier. Isn't this left leg straightening a modern thing to hit against the ground and create more force. In my phys ed degree we learned of the "speed-accuracy tradeoff". I wonder if there is a "force-accuracy tradeoff"? Would Hogan's swing like this be "harder on the knee joint"? Some thoughts. Yours?
Great comment, Steve. If you watch Moe Norman he makes that point as well. I believe it "squishes the oval of the swing" making a longer "flat spot" at the bottom.
The position at 3:50 is typically a demonstration pose which can not be compared to the real dynamic position he is in during the swing, you can see that in the slomo later on. This is probably a position he feels from transition, anyway sooner in the golf swing.
It’s a move designed to eliminate his hook. He weakened his grip and kept the face open so he could make an aggressive move into the ball without losing it left. And yes, he’s exaggerating it to get the feel of it.
I solved the swing with my new theory. I can hit left & right handed. Draws and fades high & low. Then flip the club up side down & do the same. I don't use the swing plane. Its not needed in my new theory.
Great video. Thank you for taking the time to show this swing again. I agree this right elbow clearing the body helps great lock in the inside out path. Where I am struggling with is whether to bring the right hand along for the ride, or at the point of impact use the baseball release. Not flipping but and underhand motion like swinging a baseball, or skipping a stone to add additional club head speed. Any thoughts?
Thanks for the reply. Looking at a foot of snow outside my window as we speak. I am just trying prioritize my indoor sessions with things to work on. I will try both ways. My concern is miss timing the trailing hand might counter act the required shaft lean. What did you experience in your experiments?
I let the right hand come along for the ride, keeping it in sync with the shoulder rotation. Accuracy being the watchword. I find I can add more club head speed by rotating quicker.
I believe this is Ben Hogan's "Zapruder film" as this is the only time I see him actually try to explain with a club in his hand what he is trying to do - and what should be done. I often think if somebody had the presence of mind to film a whole series with Hogan on all aspects of golf and the swing back then, what would it have done for golf instruction for amateurs in the 60's and 70's? In any case, I watch this clip more times than I care to admit! Thing of beauty........
On the rehersals elbow is deep forward but on the swing not as much . The real deal is on vector pressures applying on the grip... and different than what mainstream advocates
Today’s players are all about power golf. Hogan was all about control and consistency. He wanted to know exactly what the ball would do on each hit. This is why he had such a tight swing, elbows tight, grip strong, all the power from his strong rotation, always leading with the heal of the club. Hogan was very athletic, what he could do, most people can’t, we’re simply not as strong or flexible as mr. Hogan.
When Hogan's driver almost reaches parallel at 2:09, his front foot is slightly rolled towards midline. Does anyone have any idea if this happened as a result of the back swing, or did he roll his foot with some force to aid with the rotation and backswing? It almost seems simultaneous.
I’ve been trying this move for years, but having the right shoulder so low and the right elbow leading the downswing leaves the clubface open almost 90 degrees to target at impact. The only way to square it is to flip it while in this configuration. How do you square the clubface with this move? I’m a big blocker/hooker. The best players in the world (Scott, Woods, etc) are more level through impact, so a high right shoulder would be considered spinning out, right? I’m confused... as a driving rang rat of 20 years.
Hogan had to find what worked best for his geometry as he naturally was left handed but used right handed golf clubs. This made him set arms, legs, hips and positions the same every time as not to over swing or under swing.
I think he keeps the club square so long because it’s almost like he throws the club with his right hand underhanded and his body is rotating. It’s almost impossible to roll your hands using that feeling
The late Sir Christopher lee has followed Ben Hogan and has one of Ben Hogan's book that is why Christopher was not a awesome actor but a super golfer in his pastime.
Actually Sir Christopher was a student at the Knightsbridge Golf School in London and featured in their book , The Swing Factory , authored by Steve Gould and D.J Wilkinson . The school follows the teachings of Leslie King who established the method over sixty years ago. There are many similarities between Hogans swing and the Knightsbridge method , but Christopher Lee was a student there for over forty years. There are Knightsbridge golf school videos on You Tube.
Hi Christo; in your evolution and years of exploration in learning about Ben Hogan golf swing has anyone revealed to you the one true and easy to do secrete of Ben Hogan's swing? I doubt it. However let me give a shot of it. In previous communicate with you I told you about Count Yogi; the greatest golf player there ever was in the world; who, was against the PGA teaching methods: and, who was banned by the PGA . Ben Hogan privately consulted with Count Yogi. An historical fact. I absolutely and positively believe when Count Yogi was correcting Ben Hogan grip he revealed to him personally at the top of his swing to simply pull down in a vertical fashion the grip handle of the club with both hands and not just the right hand as Sam Snead said he did. By Hogan doing this one act all the mechanical stuff with his right elbow and such occurred naturally. Hogan; as far as I am concern; leaned from Count Yogi; as I clearly see him do the 12345 set up the Count Yogi shows on a public domain video on you tube. Yes, your analysis of Ben's swing is correct; but all he actually did consciously was to pull down vertically on the club handle with both hands. You are actually doing this yourself and may not be fully aware of it. Believe me this secret works and now it is out.
B.S. Hogan didn't have a magic move. It was part of his gamesmanship on the other pros' mental games that he played against. It also made him some money with that magazine article. In his caddy days, he developed an overly strong grip to beat the other caddies in long ball competition. His ball would hook, and out roll the other boys' straighter balls. His secret was his own grip, and swing path changes to cure himself from hitting hooks when he turned pro. This was all common knowledge at the Seaside & Gearhart Oregon golf courses where Jack Schlee played, and occasionally mentored Hogan. Another little known fact was that Hogan's brother Royal was a pretty good golfer in his own right. Just wasn't interested in persuing the game.
It does seem that on the BS his right elbow leaves the body for a second, then he drives it back into his body in the downswing... but hey Christo, when is your next visit to golftec? Are you sticking with the steeper shoulder concept?
Swing in circle and you'll make the most power. Th modern teaching are too much of a chopping action which you'll never see watching a PGA or LPGA event. Also, contrary to popular wisdom you can see a pivot and the a slight slide towards the target line that starts the downswing and puts his upper body into the position to deliver the hit through the golf ball. :)
Calvin Pete? Was not long, but very consistently straight. Never really in trouble. But did not win much. Also, the position Hogan is in at 3:15, you just can't hit a ball from that position. So he could NOT have literally meant what he was demonstrating. He was "exaggerating" something there.
Well to my opinion ben hogan didnt hit it strait there was always that little fade on it but moe norman used to hit it dammn strait no curve in it! But for a conventional swing hogan was a genius!!
I have to say hitting inside out is the worst way of hitting a ball when three things happen an two of them are bad them why would you do it. I have prover its wrong way to many times. Sam sneed ask me where was I when he needed me. He said he could have won at least 50 more tournaments if he had knew what I showed him
i don't think this is good for the lower back long term. he had his irons flattened by a few degrees in order to do this swing. unless you do too, you shouldn't emulate this swing.
@ George Thompson - Is that true? What available video there is of Mo Norman, it seems impossible for his technique to create at all comparable club head speed.
Moe Norman was like the rainman ,could play holes backwards when he was bored . Saw him and at the end his grouping was shocking plus he would call his heights , the other thing Moe wasn't a great public speaker couldn't carry himself like Me. Hogan,a good read is the book on him, but he did shoot some 59s and had his own technique and I believe he would have won plenty if he wasn't the way he was, so read it and you can't even make the comparison.
Maybe read up on him ,he was a different cat but won lots of tourneys and was quite capable as a golfer to win on the PGA tour,he was invited to the master's there's a story there you should read, Trevino,woods and others watched him in clinics and were blown away,oh I know he didn't win on the PGA, either did you Bobbi
Really, we're gatekeeping "mister" now? For fuck's sake he looked up to Ben Hogan, so if he wants to call him "Mr. Hogan", instead of Ben Hogan or Hogan or Ben, no need to question it.
He is perfect, textbook, but too hard for any normal human to imitate. I understand what he’s doing but just couldn’t do the same myself no matter how hard I try. There bounds to be an easier swing/club face rotation if I just wanna be a non-Professional, leisure player with a +12 to +18 handicap.
🙏🙏🙏 thank you man!! I was schrolling dont the comment wishing i was not the only one thinking this... in my opinion moe norman was a better ball striker than anyone!
Boy I tell ya Christo, the film's you have provided for our enjoyment and serious study is fantastic. As well as your free exchange of your own surveys and ideas has been a true tribute to the Game and of the highest character. Thank you so much.
Nautilus nauticus Thank you kindly, sir!
I think Hogan was describing the most important fundamental in golf...and baseball. Laying back the club or bat. Getting the right feel at waist high first was key for me...feeling the club shaft flattening or laying back or laying down as it falls from the top while (very important) the handle simultaneously begins to move out toward an imaginary ball position and the pulling back (out of the way) of your left hip naturally pulls and squares the club through the hitting zone (handle before club face and right elbow is well blow your left at this point) and you can get a little extra punch by straightening your right arm through impact as your weight settles to your left side and momentum finishes your swing. Anyway It’s a night and day transformation for my swing that somehow never clicked until I spent some time watching baseball instruction videos. Everything good that’s happening now seems to flow and fall into place from here. A giant leap in my swing evolution! Thanks.
Robert Daugherty Baseball was the key for me as well. Pitching changed my footwork, too!
Ben Hogan swing has very good similarity, even coincide, with baseball batting.
Move forward the lower body front side (abdomen), stay the right shoulder far behind and keep low.
Push with right forearm (no rotation), drive the bat with the radius (the bone between the outside elbow and the thumb).
If you find a baseball batting teaching video to watch, I am very sure you could get the basic idea of Ben Hogan swing.
And it is prevailing in today's golf tournament, even little Tiger, Charlie, swing in this way.
Thanks Christo. Reviewing this video and your analysis: reaffirmed the importance of a full shoulder turn. Just for anatomical clarification. There is no right or left shoulder; as the shoulder is one complete unit that is connected to our upper torso. The shoulder is also the key to coiling our body downward. This coiling action creates tremendous potential energy for our lower part of our body to kick into tremendous reactive kinetic and elastic energy that communicates upward back to our shoulder and arms. What Hogan did and many pro golfers do is that they rotate their full shoulder in a smooth one piece take away fashion and never think if one shoulder overtakes another. I am sure during your swing you cannot stop and think of the positional sides of the shoulder as you are rotating your shoulder as well as you do. And as far as I can see you know how to swing a club. Christo here is a fun experiment for you and anyone who may be reading this do. Without a club in your hand touch both sides of your shoulder Now rotate your shoulder to completion on your back swing. While staying in you posture simply rotate you shoulder in the other direction. Note below and see the knees especially the right one. . Fascinating is it not; how the shoulder communicate to the feet and knees and visa versa. Also I need to point out that a proper back shoulder rotation is what actually moved the arms to the top of the swing. Not the arms rotating the shoulder. Approaching the top of the swing the arms attempt to pull away from the shoulder which creates a strait lead arm at the top or end of the shoulder rotation. I will prove this to you if you simply take your club handle placing your right hand in a fixed trigger finger position. Now while in posture; simply rotate you shoulder to 180 degrees downward. You will personally see the right side of your shoulder rotate at 90 degrees (or more) which in realty the total shoulder rotated at 180 degrees ( right side set at 6 'O Clock and left side at 12'O'clock. Now slowly rotate you shoulder in reverse direction and tell me what you have found out for yourself. Would lover to hear from you on this matter of the reverse shoulder turn. Thanks for reading.
Holy crap!! he is amazing. The power and fluidity in his swing mechanics is second to none. Let alone his mind set. GO BEN!!
This is the best & most coherent explanation I've ever heard of the job of the right elbow as it relates to the right hip. Not only do you speak precisely, you use Hogan's own swing in a tutorial by Hogan himself to validate what you say. I believe that "anchoring" the right elbow to the right hip is foundational to Hogan's consistency. Excellent.
Chester Micek Thank you kindly, Chester.
Bro. Ground up is EVERYTHING. I have taught middle schoolers, high schoolers, 50 yr old adults, 30 yr old adults.... all because I take the club away, and have them move their arms with their legs.
It's probably the best way to teach people, because it really gives a sense of tempo and connection.
In all of the swing analysis videos you will see Hogan’s clubhead ‘bobble’ or drop slightly in transition. This is caused by a certain amount of grip pressure and relaxation in his wrists. If you do not have the feeling of the clubhead dropping or bobbling at the top of your backswing then your hands and/or wrists are too ridgid. Without the right grip pressure the rest of this is null. Hogan talks about starting the downswing before he finishes his backswing. Its very similar to Bobby Jones’ almost lazy swing. Like a pendulum never pausing. That combined with the correct grip pressure will give you the sensation of the clubhead dropping at the top. That is everything needed to “get into the slot”. That is the slot. Its not a deliberate pushing of the left arm, or twisting of the wrist, or dropping of the elbow. Its a matter of finding the right amount of grip pressure that allows the wrists to cock correctly that leads to all of the rest of this. When your wrists cock correctly, the clubhead feels heavy at transition causing it to drop, and you suddenly feel the need to spin 110 mph to make it move. Everything falls into place on its own.
One thing to keep in mind, this swing of Hogan’s is with his driver, so the longest club in his bad. Naturally with a longer club your swing plane would be flatter and more round, vs a shorter iron with a more upright lie angle. People will try and copy his flatter driver swing with all their clubs and they’re failing to understand that the swing plane naturally is different from club to club.
I was speaking with a golfer yesterday about the "flatness" of his swing. Often misunderstood.
I found the secret move is not to let gravity drop the arms or the hands from the top position during the downswing. Rather to drop the right elbow down first towards the right side while turning my hips. This move actually fixed all my tendency to come over the top while driving aggressively with my right knee towards my left knee. More distance straight with more shallow compressions. BTW I am .5 handicap playing competitive golf for many years. I feel I can score much lower now.
That's it! My next video will be Moe Norman talking about the same thing.
And of course it's basically what Harvey Penick described as the "magic move" as well. It's interesting how all the "different" instruction philosophies start to line up once you really begin to understand the swing.
For me, I also think these things are the natural result of having the right athletic intention in the swing. So much golf instruction gets so cerebral that I think it's easy to forget it's an athletic motion to be made without hesitation, fear, or reserve. It's those latter things that really get in the way of letting the body do its thing, and why Nicklaus's advice to "first learn to hit it hard" is so important.
Harvey Penick without a doubt had the most influence on me as a golfer as a coach and as a person. I am certain this move got roots with our founding fathers of golf. I tried the magic move 15 years ago, however I didn't get the same results then. I think I was trying to move my elbow laterally towards my right side while bumping my left side forward. The difference now is I drop my elbow straight down influenced only by gravity. This move fits with the feels that Hogan talked about that he doesn't feel his hands on top dropping. He also talks about hitting the ball with two right hands. The Elbow acts as the center Lever to throw the right hand at the ball and through between the two pivots of the right and left hips.
I hit the furthest the first 2 years I played golf and someone told me I should take lessons and I did. I hate golf now and my back hurts!!!!
Harry El-Kara we are very closes to being on the same page. Which I like since your handicap is lower then mine.
What my one swing thought now is at the top of my downswing my trail elbow simply leads my trail hand. This one action immediately shallows the club; opens up my entire lead side and allows me to swing the club with the entire forces of my body. It's now that simple
At 72 I finally know how to do it right. Cheers.
Great vid, but lest we forget that keeping your spine angle throughout impact is seriously important. When you prematurely 'stand up' or 'come out of your swing,' you'll know it by decreased height of ball flight and less distance and accuracy. Through impact, you should have the same spine / head position as if you just skipped a rock upon water. Anyway, 2 thumbs up for this vid.
Love getting golf swing advice from a 20-handicapper. Thanks a bunch.
@BigSkyOkie I was very impressed by the coach of Micheal Phelps. In a video, Mike pretended to throw his coach into the pool, the coach show: 'I can't swim.",.
But he still the coach of the greast swimmer in mankind history just because he has the knowledge on how to improve for a quicker swimming.
@@wapiti3750 Any money....anytime, troll.
@@Kazyman You couldn't carry my jock let alone beat me on a golf course. LOL! :-)
@@wapiti3750 You keyboard jocks are all alike. You have no idea what the fuck you're saying. The bigger the talk, the smaller the chalk, chump. you'd lose your ass, son.
You are doing great service! I think you should explain more how Hogan "turned the club face down" way before the hit! Not surprising that his driving partner in the 40s was Jack Nicklauses teacher Mr Grout and they obviously discussed the left wrist thru the ball and that there is no other golfer who does it better than Jack! Peter beames
Peter Beames Thanks, Peter! Yes, Grout would ride with Hogan to some tournaments. They had to talk about it. I refer to it as the Hogan Roll in many videos.
Thanjs Chris..
My pleasure!
The "newer" swing really looks great !
Best golf video ive watched. Nice1 champ 👍
Great job
hogan and your video has help me re think my swing.. ! keep up the great work !
Great, Explaining.
Best instructional video
You just don’t see this type of swing today . Ben Hogan moves his weight to his left side as the club reaches the top of his swing - that’s why he creates such lag and is able to come at the ball from the inside with power and accuracy! Never get tired of watching this swing!
Awesome analysis Christo!!!
Good point in regards to his right elbow...
Thank you señor
Ben Hogan may have been one of a kind & I have massive respect for him and what he did. With that said, nobody is going to tell me that his shoulders weren't rotating wile his hips were turning. There is a lot to learn and Christo seems to have grasped much of what Mr. Hogan did, however, try putting your elbow under your liver and timing a push with your right forearm. That's a move for a world class athlete. Go ahead and try it. You have less than a nano second to make it. I'm a college level athlete & I doubt that I can do it.
Hogans swing thing of beauty…❤
Where can we see the original full Ben Hogan video?
Plus Mr.Hogan, was so gifted.
Nice job Christo
I've always found it interesting that there seems to be far more consideration put into the details of a golf swing when compared to some other athletic actions. If you are talking strictly distance, there would be essentially no difference if a person's back knee is bent at a 30 degree angle when compared to a 25 degree angle. It would matter almost not at all if the person brings the club back to parallel, or slightly short, or beyond parallel. I'm not referring to comically horrible swing or grip flaws. Likewise, if a baseball pitcher plants his lead foot 4' in front of his torso, or 4'2", or his lead foot is aimed straight at home plate or 10 degrees to one side. I'm not saying that it would make no difference. But these things do not add 20 MPH in pitch velocity, nor 30 and probably not 20 yards on a drive. Being blessed with fast-twitch muscle fiber makes a _far_ greater difference.
Randall Anderson Probably right
To me it's because it's the most difficult thing to do, I can throw a football no problem, slap a puck, hit a bucket, but to hit a good clean golf shot, I'm just not great at it lol
Thank you Christo...
Hello me swing evolution you film up at Eaton canyon do you give one on one lessons up I would be very interested in getting lessons from you if that’s possible let me know thank you so much for your great videos
I think you need lower hands at P6 (half-way down) ... agree with the hip rotation bit. However, I use extensor action at the top and then simply turn thru the ball with the torso ...arms are like thick ropes that whip thru impact with a bowed left wrist and flexed right wrist. Hands are ahead of ball at impact due to your bump left and hip turn ...not a purposeful thrust of the arms forward. I do have a thrust element to my swing ...this is created by the diagonally upward push of right big toe and the vertical upward thrust of the left knee (parametric acceleration) ..if timed correctly you get massive flash speed thru impact
I totally understand what you are saying. My intention was to point out the amount of right arm bend coming into the ball that allows the arms to extend far past impact. Describing the action of one limb can never be complete because the mechanism works as a whole. Also, it sounds to me like you've got a damn good swing! I always appreciate your thoughtful comments.
Thanks Christo ...that's high praise coming from awesome golfer such as yourself ...much appreciated ..and btw, here's a GIF I made some time ago that shows (IMHO) the correct degree of right elbow unfolding that I use in my swing ... imgflip.com/gif/1riajt
FairwayJack finally somebody say it right.
FairwayJack or almost right, you are missing something.
His legwork reminds me of Moe Norman.
His right elbow, left shoulder is very Seymour Dunn ish. Love your videos .
LokiLures Thank you! Moe Norman was amazing!!!
Hogan squared his club face at impact with wrist action and generated most of his swing force in how he arrested the forward movement of the hands and let the laws of physics whip the club around them reactively. In the video when hands drop below the waist watch how little forward progress the hands and how the shaft of the club blurs and bends forward slightly in the 24 fps video.
His preference for hitting law draws (how he won long drive contests in his caddying days with Byron Nelson) explains his low swing plane created with right arm kept tucked in as much as possible. Compare it to Nicklaus whose flying right arm favors hitting fades. But at the top with a tucked in right arm and flat wrist the club shaft will be laid off and club head mass too far behind the heels at the top of the backswing which is why he hyper-extended the left wrist (cupped back) with complementary flexion of the right wrist at the top of his backswing in full swing driver shots. That simple change from flat wrist to extension/flexion at the top moves the club shaft from 45° laid off / to = parallel and in the ideal position for balance over the feet and inside-square-inside downswing arc.
His right arm folding in the backswing and left in the finish as it did so consistently was the result of him always establishing the grip with elbows down and bent with club hanging in the air | - a bit below horizontal.
He would first hang it with left hand thumb pad and index finger then add the right hand middle fingers as illustrated in Five Lessons. The “towel wringing” magic happens when the arms straighten as the club is lowered and the left arm is hyper-extended at address to simulate how the club force pulling the arms down to the ball before impact stretches them about 1/2”. As the arms straighten the interlaced grip forces the two forearm to twist (ulna/radius rotation) creating COUNTER TORQUE between them - that towel wringing feeling that bulges the Brachioradialis muscle that runs over the elbows. As when wring a towel the more the hands are pressed toward the ground the tighter the muscles stretch to the point where when all the slack is pulled out of them by pulling the left hand down by pushing with the bent right arm the shoulder-arms-hands triangle feels like it made of welded steel rods!
The grip which was very neutral / weak when hands were placed on the grip in the air with bent elbows strengths as the left palm pronates as it pushes down to take out the slack and add torque with the right twisted back toward the target to stabilize the left hand when it sweeps the club back from the ball in a wide arc. At strong (pronated and extended) left wrist is needed to have the leverage to needed to resist any additional pronation in the backswing. Butt of club stays pointed at body in the takeaway (critical for correct path in his swing style).
He speaks about the lower body in the video,. but seriously folks do you think he’s really revealing 100% of how it worked? Nope…
Modern swing theory (since Nicklaus) calls for the back leg to retain some bend at the top of the backswing. Not Hogan or Snead or many of the others that started in the era of wooden shafted clubs. In the takeaway Hogan made a lateral shift of the hips back >> causing the front left leg to become more vertical shifting support to the front leg.
It is how Hogan bent his right elbow in the downswing that gave that arm the MECHANICAL LEVERAGE to control the CANTILEVER LEVER ARM pivoting from the left shoulder socket. Other golfers in his era like Byron Nelson and Snead used the same right arm leverage in the same place to slow the forward progress of the hands by intentionally locking up the hips 45° closed to trigger the whipping action. But Hogan’s grip was different!
During the downswing he changed and maxed out all three aspects of left wrist motion but sneaking Mr. Hogan only mentions one - supination. He achieved the palm-up supination by also maxing out flexion and as that occurs just before impact he whipped his hands and the club head and face at the inside of the ball by releasing the extension and radial deviation from the right wrist which provides the leverage to control the path in the downswing - the left is the lever arm, the right controls the path and forward velocity of hands vs. club head to trigger and control the whipping action.
When I learned to duplicate Hogan’s swing in the 2008-2009 period and discovers the last radial-to-ulnar deviation move before impact I was amazed at how much it moved the club and closed the face into the ball. I also realized it is EXACTLY the same wrist action and mechanical leverage used when hammering nails, chopping wood, fly casting or cracking a whip - a quick change from radial-ulnar deviation and in the right wrist a simultaneous change from full back hyper-extension to simply relaxing and letting the club force pull the right wrist straight, which in Hogan’s grip caused the flexion, supination and ulnar deviation of the left wrist to MAX OUT.
Why was Hogan’s ball striking so consistent? 1) An “iron triangle” formed by the lowering of the club at address, and 2) maxing out all three aspect of left wrist movement at impact by how did #1 and letting the club force pull the extension out of right wrist just through impact as ball is compressing on the face. The face of the club is open at impact and must contact the ball inside of center /o but the rapid changed from radial deviation (lag) to full ulnar deviation just before impact snaps the face closed so fast | - - - o >>> the face is square to the target when it rebounds off. If timing is off the whipping closed with the ulnar deviation creates a pull-hook, why Hogan missed that way. When swing is perfect the result is a very predictable and consistent draw.
You don’t see the radial-to-ulnar deviation move in the video but if you duplicate his grip and let the club pull the right hand straight just as open club face hits the inside of the ball you will experience it and see the resulting gain in ball compression, spin and carry distance vs. a similar swing without the radial-to-ulnar deviation move.
The right knee goes forward because he is driving off his right instep. The right elbow has to get down to, or in front of the right hip (in the slot) to drive the golf club. Like throwing a ball sidearm. This shallows the shaft allowing better contact and more power.
Here's something I also noticed about Hogan's swing here thru impact: Notice the left knee. It actually moves past the foot toward the target!!! Would this not keep the club on line for a longer period of time? Your thoughts Christo? Btw... I just checked out a video of Tiger's swing to compare... Tiger's left knee is more or less in line (vertically stacked???) compared to Hogan. Tiger seems to straighten the left leg earlier. Isn't this left leg straightening a modern thing to hit against the ground and create more force. In my phys ed degree we learned of the "speed-accuracy tradeoff". I wonder if there is a "force-accuracy tradeoff"? Would Hogan's swing like this be "harder on the knee joint"? Some thoughts. Yours?
Great comment, Steve. If you watch Moe Norman he makes that point as well. I believe it "squishes the oval of the swing" making a longer "flat spot" at the bottom.
Steve King that’s because he rolls to the outside of his foot.
I have still got a set of Ben hogans apex edge cft clubs
I broke my whole set and sold them for 50 bucks.
The position at 3:50 is typically a demonstration pose which can not be compared to the real dynamic position he is in during the swing, you can see that in the slomo later on. This is probably a position he feels from transition, anyway sooner in the golf swing.
I always brought clubs with extra stiff shafts, they help me with controlling the golf ball.
And holding the 90 degree angle in your right wrist for as long as you can until impact then pull that left pocket back hard ... nice
Another great video, at 2:44 the club head is wide open was this normal in Hogans down swing.
He is exaggerating here.
It’s a move designed to eliminate his hook. He weakened his grip and kept the face open so he could make an aggressive move into the ball without losing it left. And yes, he’s exaggerating it to get the feel of it.
Good
I solved the swing with my new theory. I can hit left & right handed. Draws and fades high & low. Then flip the club up side down & do the same. I don't use the swing plane. Its not needed in my new theory.
Wow, what incredible skills you possess!
Great video. Thank you for taking the time to show this swing again. I agree this right elbow clearing the body helps great lock in the inside out path. Where I am struggling with is whether to bring the right hand along for the ride, or at the point of impact use the baseball release. Not flipping but and underhand motion like swinging a baseball, or skipping a stone to add additional club head speed. Any thoughts?
Bill Uransel I’ve done it both ways. I think you have to spend some time each. I’m trying to let them come along nowadays.
Thanks for the reply. Looking at a foot of snow outside my window as we speak. I am just trying prioritize my indoor sessions with things to work on. I will try both ways. My concern is miss timing the trailing hand might counter act the required shaft lean. What did you experience in your experiments?
I let the right hand come along for the ride, keeping it in sync with the shoulder rotation. Accuracy being the watchword. I find I can add more club head speed by rotating quicker.
Awesome
I believe this is Ben Hogan's "Zapruder film" as this is the only time I see him actually try to explain with a club in his hand what he is trying to do - and what should be done. I often think if somebody had the presence of mind to film a whole series with Hogan on all aspects of golf and the swing back then, what would it have done for golf instruction for amateurs in the 60's and 70's?
In any case, I watch this clip more times than I care to admit! Thing of beauty........
This Hogan style swing is very athletic. Can an older less flexible golfer hope to really emulate the swing.
it's dynamite with a laser beam
A. U. Zx
Boy I need to reread Five Lessons.
On the rehersals elbow is deep forward but on the swing not as much . The real deal is on vector pressures applying on the grip... and different than what mainstream advocates
Today’s players are all about power golf. Hogan was all about control and consistency. He wanted to know exactly what the ball would do on each hit. This is why he had such a tight swing, elbows tight, grip strong, all the power from his strong rotation, always leading with the heal of the club. Hogan was very athletic, what he could do, most people can’t, we’re simply not as strong or flexible as mr. Hogan.
When Hogan's driver almost reaches parallel at 2:09, his front foot is slightly rolled towards midline. Does anyone have any idea if this happened as a result of the back swing, or did he roll his foot with some force to aid with the rotation and backswing? It almost seems simultaneous.
You don't see this swing anymore, as it is almost a baseball swing. They teach you exactly the opposite of this. I like this!!
I’ve been trying this move for years, but having the right shoulder so low and the right elbow leading the downswing leaves the clubface open almost 90 degrees to target at impact. The only way to square it is to flip it while in this configuration. How do you square the clubface with this move? I’m a big blocker/hooker. The best players in the world (Scott, Woods, etc) are more level through impact, so a high right shoulder would be considered spinning out, right? I’m confused... as a driving rang rat of 20 years.
good video, how about his hip turn in the back swing? You can't accomplish what you talk about without it.
Hogan had to find what worked best for his geometry as he naturally was left handed but used right handed golf clubs. This made him set arms, legs, hips and positions the same every time as not to over swing or under swing.
“Skipping a rock” is the easiest way to explain to beginners and high handicappers
Fersure. Literally took me over a year to understand that. Was so in the habit of flipping the club
Moe Norman for straight- Hogan admired him for that.
Many similarities with Moe Norman with the arms. Trailing shoulder and arm are lower.
Yes, true!
The Hogan Rabbit Hole goes deeper than what you can see on video but this is a tremendous Rosetta stone leading to his method.
I think he keeps the club square so long because it’s almost like he throws the club with his right hand underhanded and his body is rotating. It’s almost impossible to roll your hands using that feeling
The late Sir Christopher lee has followed Ben Hogan and has one of Ben Hogan's book that is why Christopher was not a awesome actor but a super golfer in his pastime.
Gail Jacqueline Mrs Gray That’s so cool!
Actually Sir Christopher was a student at the Knightsbridge Golf School in London and featured in their book , The Swing Factory , authored by Steve Gould and D.J Wilkinson . The school follows the teachings of Leslie King who established the method over sixty years ago. There are many similarities between Hogans swing and the Knightsbridge method , but Christopher Lee was a student there for over forty years. There are Knightsbridge golf school videos on You Tube.
Gail Jacqueline Mrs Gray Wow....I did not know he was such a golfer! Thank you!
enozgnikrap I will definitely check them out!
Hi Christo; in your evolution and years of exploration in learning about Ben Hogan golf swing has anyone revealed to you the one true and easy to do secrete of Ben Hogan's swing? I doubt it. However let me give a shot of it. In previous communicate with you I told you about Count Yogi; the greatest golf player there ever was in the world; who, was against the PGA teaching methods: and, who was banned by the PGA . Ben Hogan privately consulted with Count Yogi. An historical fact. I absolutely and positively believe when Count Yogi was correcting Ben Hogan grip he revealed to him personally at the top of his swing to simply pull down in a vertical fashion the grip handle of the club with both hands and not just the right hand as Sam Snead said he did. By Hogan doing this one act all the mechanical stuff with his right elbow and such occurred naturally. Hogan; as far as I am concern; leaned from Count Yogi; as I clearly see him do the 12345 set up the Count Yogi shows on a public domain video on you tube. Yes, your analysis of Ben's swing is correct; but all he actually did consciously was to pull down vertically on the club handle with both hands. You are actually doing this yourself and may not be fully aware of it. Believe me this secret works and now it is out.
It’s getting the wrists and hands through the swing notice his hands after striking the ball
Eric Baker For sure
Kris is a Sioux Falls native!
B.S. Hogan didn't have a magic move. It was part of his gamesmanship on the other pros' mental games that he played against. It also made him some money with that magazine article. In his caddy days, he developed an overly strong grip to beat the other caddies in long ball competition. His ball would hook, and out roll the other boys' straighter balls. His secret was his own grip, and swing path changes to cure himself from hitting hooks when he turned pro. This was all common knowledge at the Seaside & Gearhart Oregon golf courses where Jack Schlee played, and occasionally mentored Hogan. Another little known fact was that Hogan's brother Royal was a pretty good golfer in his own right. Just wasn't interested in persuing the game.
Jack Mehoff Great history! It’s magic to me.
It does seem that on the BS his right elbow leaves the body for a second, then he drives it back into his body in the downswing... but hey Christo, when is your next visit to golftec? Are you sticking with the steeper shoulder concept?
Yes. Steeper is helping me compress the ball more consistently. Not sure when but I hope to go back soon!
I bet you Moe Norman hit the driver that accurate!
Steve King What I am highlighting in this video is the same thing as Moe’s Magic Move!
Moe Norman
Swing in circle and you'll make the most power. Th modern teaching are too much of a chopping action which you'll never see watching a PGA or LPGA event. Also, contrary to popular wisdom you can see a pivot and the a slight slide towards the target line that starts the downswing and puts his upper body into the position to deliver the hit through the golf ball. :)
Easier said than done most people don’t no what your talking about unless your a low handicap player you ain’t gonna no what he is talking about
All you gain from these videos is confusion.
It’s not forward bend, it’s right bend
Calvin Pete? Was not long, but very consistently straight. Never really in trouble. But did not win much. Also, the position Hogan is in at 3:15, you just can't hit a ball from that position. So he could NOT have literally meant what he was demonstrating. He was "exaggerating" something there.
Well to my opinion ben hogan didnt hit it strait there was always that little fade on it but moe norman used to hit it dammn strait no curve in it! But for a conventional swing hogan was a genius!!
*"Ehh could improve a lot on what is described!*
Don't be shy! We are here to be enlightened!
Are Moe Norman!!
Did Mr. Hogan have is clubs a degree or two flat?
Sean Remington I think I saw his 1 iron was 7 degrees flat. And his clubs were 5 degrees open.
@@MiracleSwingExperience He hated "left"
Straight right leg.
I have to say hitting inside out is the worst way of hitting a ball when three things happen an two of them are bad them why would you do it. I have prover its wrong way to many times. Sam sneed ask me where was I when he needed me. He said he could have won at least 50 more tournaments if he had knew what I showed him
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Giv3M3YourSoulNow Danutcrackr That’s so cool!!!
Has she not seen Moe Norman?
i don't think this is good for the lower back long term. he had his irons flattened by a few degrees in order to do this swing. unless you do too, you shouldn't emulate this swing.
The Canadian Moe Norman was better than Ben Hogan in all aspects of consistency!
@Bobbie Bobbejaan it's a fact
Watch Todd Graves ( even Ben Hogan could have played better using Moe Norman swing)
@Bobbie Bobbejaan watch the video but no that would shut you up ,lol The information is all there and really your comment on My IQ ,wow
@Bobbie Bobbejaan Graves spent 10 years with Moe and has been teaching his swing for a long time. Graves' swing is nearly identical to Moe's.
Stop calling him Mr. Hogan.
steve ebling Relax, Francis.
His employees were required to address him as Mr. Hogan any other would be grounds for dismissal, I was given this info from a reliable source !
No Norman was straighter and just as long.
George Thompson Hogan has 9 majors
@ George Thompson - Is that true? What available video there is of Mo Norman, it seems impossible for his technique to create at all comparable club head speed.
Moe Norman was like the rainman ,could play holes backwards when he was bored . Saw him and at the end his grouping was shocking plus he would call his heights , the other thing Moe wasn't a great public speaker couldn't carry himself like Me. Hogan,a good read is the book on him, but he did shoot some 59s and had his own technique and I believe he would have won plenty if he wasn't the way he was, so read it and you can't even make the comparison.
And they called him pipeline Mo
Maybe read up on him ,he was a different cat but won lots of tourneys and was quite capable as a golfer to win on the PGA tour,he was invited to the master's there's a story there you should read, Trevino,woods and others watched him in clinics and were blown away,oh I know he didn't win on the PGA, either did you Bobbi
Why this " mister" just call him that man you see....
Really, we're gatekeeping "mister" now? For fuck's sake he looked up to Ben Hogan, so if he wants to call him "Mr. Hogan", instead of Ben Hogan or Hogan or Ben, no need to question it.
He is perfect, textbook, but too hard for any normal human to imitate. I understand what he’s doing but just couldn’t do the same myself no matter how hard I try. There bounds to be an easier swing/club face rotation if I just wanna be a non-Professional, leisure player with a +12 to +18 handicap.
The greatest golfers the world have ever known Didn’t have UA-cam, secrets and documentaries and videos to watch. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Ditto Moe Norman.
You got that right!!! They had the same "Magic Move!"
I wanted to see Ben Hogan's swing and/or listen to Hogan not you.
wacco54 Well, I played Ben Hogan on the Golf Channel. That’s probably as close as you’re gonna get!
then she hasn't seen Moe Norman
🙏🙏🙏 thank you man!! I was schrolling dont the comment wishing i was not the only one thinking this... in my opinion moe norman was a better ball striker than anyone!
Where's the babe go?
Just goes to show that either Hogan didn't know what his secret move was or was trying to fool everyone.
That blonde chick has real bad teeth for an American, does she visit the swamp dentist FFS ?
Unless club is as open as his you can’t keep the club in this position.
Hogan!