Only in coffee circles will we enjoy watching the minor differences between two almost identical espresso machines for nearly eight minutes... and enjoy it, I did 👍Brass, you say? 😂
As a owner of a classic E24: Can you please explain in a further video if the temperature surfing is still required? If yes, with which parameters? Btw. thx for all the great content!
Order from cworks you say? Have done and used the code the other day 😊 Just waiting for my first order to arrive and keep me caffeinated over Christmas. Many thanks and happy Christmas 🎄
Both machines have their strengths, with the E24 focusing on steam power, while the Evo Pro 23 offers enhanced materials and design for better performance and ease of use.
I think that the mod-ability appeal of the Classic may kick in one day but I’m at the stage and budget to want ‘out of the box’ appeal, even at the price of longevity.
Gaggia Classic Pro E24 or the Profitec Go ? I understand they both are on different price ranges, but i really like the box design of both the machines, Quick heatup time and looking for a small single boiler machine to replace my EC685.
I’m cross shopping both of them as well, the Go is exactly double the price of the E24, with the only real differences being the Go has a pressure gauge and PID control, with the PID LCD screen having some minor quality of life features like an integrated timer, energy saver mode, and programmable descaling reminders. For me personally, I’m not super picky or experienced enough to care about PID and exact brew pressure, but I might be in the future. Regardless, I think the brass boiler shrinks the gap enough so that the E24 is way more than half the machine the Go is at half the price. I think I’m going with the E24 and upgrade to the Go if/when I need to. The Go would be my endgame machine as I don’t have a use for a dual boiler machine.
E24 a classic that reached perfection . For steaming with my Profitec Go i use a capuccinatore milk froather so i have a double boiler. You can do the same with the Classic P.S. the yellow classic is a must have
have shortlisted the E24 and the profitecGo, Just two cappuccinos a day for me, looking for a Single boiler and a small compact machine ... Does the PID on the Go really beneficial and worth the extra money ? Currently on the EC685 which is good with dark roasts, but screws up completely with light and medium roasts.
A colleague of mine has just had to have his 'non stick' boiler replaced, due to bits ending up everywhere and blocking up the solenoid. A repair has been done by Gaggia. I bet his machine is only 3 or 4 years old. I wonder if they put a brass boiler in?
Hi! I'm glad I stumbled upon this video. I thought the black flakes coming out of the steam wand are just coffee ground. We bought our Gaggia Classic Evo Pro April this year on Amazon from WLL seller. Does anyone know if we can get a replacement or refund still? Thank you in advance!
If you nail the extraction using a capable grinder, you'll probably notice little difference from the Dedica (or even the Stilosa) or the Classic - presuming that you've switched out the portafilter so you're not using pressurized baskets with the Dedica. How often you'd nail the extraction though on one vs the other, would be a different matter. Actually, without adjusting the OPV spring (only in the EU, in the US they come with a 9 bar spring) and fitting a PID, I think this would be relatively similar, but one of the draws of the Classic is the ability to mod it - and a classic with a PID and a 9 bar spring would wipe the floor with most lower priced thermostat machines. Also although the Dedica (most Delonghi machines, to be fair) do really well for reliability, not many machines have the potential to outlast the Classic, if well maintained. Ta, Kev.
I bought the Gaggia Classic Pro E24 and got pregrounded coffee (Illy Classico which I've seen being used in many tutorials) with the pressurized basket until I get a grinder but my used coffee is wet and can't get out of the basket easily. I think I'm doing everything right, I even measured 18g coffee. The ESE pods run very slowly on the other hand and sometimes when I stop the brewing there is a splash of water. Any suggestions?
Hey Kev, I have this machine with the brass boiler ~ is Whole Latte Love correct in saying the group has to be flushed before every shot to get the right temperature???
Well, you don't "have" to do anything, but some form of temperature surfing is always going to better than none, on a thermostat machine, and even on PID machines I'd run a flush at least prior to the first shot to heat up the portafilter and the cup. In theory with a brass boiler (better at holding heat than Alu) and also with a brass group, if you've left the machine on for a while, and then just pull a shot, you may be starting off above where you want to be with brew temp, similar to with E61 machines. If WLL are saying that all you need to do is a flush, then that's ace! Traditionally with classics you'd want to temperature surf, which entails a bit more than a flush alone. I've not properly tested this, but from the shots I've pulled with the E24 so far, it does feel like just a flush will probably do the trick, although there would be no harm in developing a temp surfing routine. Ta, Kev.
Kev, please help me understand something….regarding what seems to be the “go-to” recipe of 18g dose in and extracting 36g out. A traditional definition of a shot is 30g….if im using a double spout portafilter and 2 espresso cups, stopping the extraction at 36g, Im getting an 18g shot in each cup so thats barely over a half shot, or would that be considered a single shot? and if I put all 36g into one cup then thats a double shot?
I wouldn't worry too much about a "traditional" shot, or what constitutes a single, or a double, etc - this would largely depend on when & where, and who you ask. But yeah, I see an 18 - 36g (or 45g if it's a 1:2.5, for example) shot as a "double", and if I was making two single shot drinks, I'd just split that.
I'm not sure I'd specifically use the lack of a separate thermoblock for steam as a con, that's quite a specific feature (Legato/Apex & Kafmasino) but yeah, it's fair to say that this is an increasingly competitive market, and I do think the classic is at risk of falling behind given some of the similarly priced competition - although, there are pros to the Classic too. I'll do a side by side comparison with the Apex soon. Ta, Kev.
@Coffee_Kev look forward to seeing that. Ilhere in the uk I noticed there is now a second gen mii coffee which includes a adjustable pressure valve as well as the other features for £399.00 which makes this without even a automatic single shot and double shot button a real letdown
I love watching this guy. I’ve shared many of his tips and trick with coffee loving friends.
I've just bought my first bean to cup machine on your advice and am awaiting delivery of three bags of your coffee - I am very excited!
A well constructed comparison video, i think both are great
Great Video as always, be in it to win it
Only in coffee circles will we enjoy watching the minor differences between two almost identical espresso machines for nearly eight minutes... and enjoy it, I did 👍Brass, you say? 😂
Hahaha, yeah you make a good point 😆
Great review as always!
I love these kind of reviews
This looks amazing!
Nice to see reviews being done on things in a reasonable budget.
Great review. Thank you for the info.
This looks like an awesome machine. Always keen to upgrade! And this ticks the boxes
Awesome video, thanks, Kev!
It helps to find our way round coffee machines
Great videos Kev, keep up the good work
Looks great, thanks for the review
Looks amazing!
Looks good, good detailed video
Another detailed video. Thanks!
I have been very impressed with Kev’s coffee so far, now have a couple on subscription 👍
That's very kind of you to say, thanks Dave 😎
Nice one Kev, the quick intro genuinely made me lol. Like spike for the intro.
I always thought the differences were purely superficial lol- thanks for shedding some light in a way even I could grasp!
No worries 😎👍
Cool, minor tweaks seems like good improvements
Love the videos Kev. Keep them coming!😊
Great video!
great review - thank you
I'd never of considered opting for a brass boiler but this sounds like a no brainer. A brilliant and thorough review, thanks!
"Never of". Sounds like you're the no brainer. It's "never have,"
@@ritchiedee9019 Imagine the pure rush of adrenaline Richie had posting this 😂
Another great video
Loving the videos Kev, well informative!
Thanks very much! 😎
Great testing, thank you Kev!
I was recently thinking about buying an E24, it seems you confirmed that it's worth it.
Thorough analysis
Amazing product. Love the videos Kev.
Have the Gaggia magenta and love it🥰
Great work
This looks like a great machine! ☕👍😊
Great video. Thank you
Great information thanks
Simply simply lovely
Looks good for a book night in.
You're a legend Kev.
Looks like a great machine!
Good review
Very good video with plenty of information
What a joy to watch - would be a bigger joy to win
insane audio quality on this vid
My husband loves his coffee and Kees hinting to me that he wants one. I reckon this would be a good buy
Nice comparison, may have to invest in one of these!
As a owner of a classic E24: Can you please explain in a further video if the temperature surfing is still required? If yes, with which parameters? Btw. thx for all the great content!
It should, because the machine hasn´t change at all. Has no PID etc.
Order from cworks you say? Have done and used the code the other day 😊 Just waiting for my first order to arrive and keep me caffeinated over Christmas. Many thanks and happy Christmas 🎄
Excellent! Thanks for the order, I hope Royal Mail doesn't mess it up! 😆
@Coffee_Kev all received 😁
Both machines have their strengths, with the E24 focusing on steam power, while the Evo Pro 23 offers enhanced materials and design for better performance and ease of use.
fab review
Beats the hell out of Nescafe instant . Great review .
may have to invest in one of these!
Can we have a Procook espresso machine review soon? They've got 3 new models with prices that seem too good to be true.
Great informative video
I think that the mod-ability appeal of the Classic may kick in one day but I’m at the stage and budget to want ‘out of the box’ appeal, even at the price of longevity.
Nice one Kev 😊
The Gaggia Classic Pro is firmly on my short list for my first espresso machine. Is the risk of the coated boiler worth the cheaper price?
Very nice!
I love to experiment with different coffee's.
Great video
Another very informative video. I wouldn't be chuffed if I found flakes in my coffee.
I just ordered one from whole latte love for 450, they had a 50 dollar off coupon. Very easy decision to make.
Is it good?
Good looking machine this maybe the one to save up the ‘brass’ for 😉
This looks yo be a great buy for quality coffee
Thank you
You're most welcome 😎
So do I get the evo pro or the new classic?
Very helpful :)
Give the people what they want!
Wow amazing
Both look great I would be looking for a sale price!
NICE ONE
Love your videos. Newbie question, what is a coffee botherer? 😅
Gaggia Classic Pro E24 or the Profitec Go ? I understand they both are on different price ranges, but i really like the box design of both the machines, Quick heatup time and looking for a small single boiler machine to replace my EC685.
I’m cross shopping both of them as well, the Go is exactly double the price of the E24, with the only real differences being the Go has a pressure gauge and PID control, with the PID LCD screen having some minor quality of life features like an integrated timer, energy saver mode, and programmable descaling reminders.
For me personally, I’m not super picky or experienced enough to care about PID and exact brew pressure, but I might be in the future. Regardless, I think the brass boiler shrinks the gap enough so that the E24 is way more than half the machine the Go is at half the price. I think I’m going with the E24 and upgrade to the Go if/when I need to. The Go would be my endgame machine as I don’t have a use for a dual boiler machine.
Both have still 9 bar pressure right ?
E24 a classic that reached perfection . For steaming with my Profitec Go i use a capuccinatore milk froather so i have a double boiler. You can do the same with the Classic
P.S. the yellow classic is a must have
have shortlisted the E24 and the profitecGo, Just two cappuccinos a day for me, looking for a Single boiler and a small compact machine ... Does the PID on the Go really beneficial and worth the extra money ? Currently on the EC685 which is good with dark roasts, but screws up completely with light and medium roasts.
@dineshnadar5214 , if you want light roasts go with the Go that has a Gicar PID out of the box.
Brilliant
A colleague of mine has just had to have his 'non stick' boiler replaced, due to bits ending up everywhere and blocking up the solenoid. A repair has been done by Gaggia. I bet his machine is only 3 or 4 years old. I wonder if they put a brass boiler in?
Press and hold? Release? I feel like I’m in the Bambino zone…
Did they increase the headroom for cups under the portafilter from previous models or is it my imagination?
The spare brass boiler is on Mrbean2cup but it's £150 vice £64 for the coated aluminium boiler. So that's where the money was spent.
Hi! I'm glad I stumbled upon this video. I thought the black flakes coming out of the steam wand are just coffee ground. We bought our Gaggia Classic Evo Pro April this year on Amazon from WLL seller. Does anyone know if we can get a replacement or refund still? Thank you in advance!
I'm a fan
Ok, so should i go with a refurbished Evo (23) for about $400 or the new E24 for $475?
Would this machine be preferred over using a perfectly dialed in Dedica?
If you nail the extraction using a capable grinder, you'll probably notice little difference from the Dedica (or even the Stilosa) or the Classic - presuming that you've switched out the portafilter so you're not using pressurized baskets with the Dedica.
How often you'd nail the extraction though on one vs the other, would be a different matter.
Actually, without adjusting the OPV spring (only in the EU, in the US they come with a 9 bar spring) and fitting a PID, I think this would be relatively similar, but one of the draws of the Classic is the ability to mod it - and a classic with a PID and a 9 bar spring would wipe the floor with most lower priced thermostat machines.
Also although the Dedica (most Delonghi machines, to be fair) do really well for reliability, not many machines have the potential to outlast the Classic, if well maintained.
Ta, Kev.
I bought the Gaggia Classic Pro E24 and got pregrounded coffee (Illy Classico which I've seen being used in many tutorials) with the pressurized basket until I get a grinder but my used coffee is wet and can't get out of the basket easily. I think I'm doing everything right, I even measured 18g coffee. The ESE pods run very slowly on the other hand and sometimes when I stop the brewing there is a splash of water. Any suggestions?
Very interesting video, especially because I own a classic pro 2023 and it’s (chocolate) flakes test time now 😅
If you get Cadbury's flakes from your wand, I'd buy it off you for a handsome price 😝
Hey Kev, I have this machine with the brass boiler ~ is Whole Latte Love correct in saying the group has to be flushed before every shot to get the right temperature???
Well, you don't "have" to do anything, but some form of temperature surfing is always going to better than none, on a thermostat machine, and even on PID machines I'd run a flush at least prior to the first shot to heat up the portafilter and the cup. In theory with a brass boiler (better at holding heat than Alu) and also with a brass group, if you've left the machine on for a while, and then just pull a shot, you may be starting off above where you want to be with brew temp, similar to with E61 machines. If WLL are saying that all you need to do is a flush, then that's ace! Traditionally with classics you'd want to temperature surf, which entails a bit more than a flush alone. I've not properly tested this, but from the shots I've pulled with the E24 so far, it does feel like just a flush will probably do the trick, although there would be no harm in developing a temp surfing routine.
Ta, Kev.
Thanks Kev!
Kev, please help me understand something….regarding what seems to be the “go-to” recipe of 18g dose in and extracting 36g out. A traditional definition of a shot is 30g….if im using a double spout portafilter and 2 espresso cups, stopping the extraction at 36g, Im getting an 18g shot in each cup so thats barely over a half shot, or would that be considered a single shot? and if I put all 36g into one cup then thats a double shot?
I wouldn't worry too much about a "traditional" shot, or what constitutes a single, or a double, etc - this would largely depend on when & where, and who you ask.
But yeah, I see an 18 - 36g (or 45g if it's a 1:2.5, for example) shot as a "double", and if I was making two single shot drinks, I'd just split that.
Awesome, thanks Kev!!
Does anyone know if the E24 is available in Australia?
When is Skillshare: Clash of Dr Squatch coming out?
looks so simple to use
My kitchen wants brass handles on the cupboards, only fair I get a brass boiler, right? Tatty bye!
Great review. They both look like quality machines. It's time for me to start saving up.
I just can't decide whether to buy a decent coffee machine or not!!! My missus will not be happy..
Coooool
Cool
At what bars is the opv set at in th e24 version?
I have a coffee machine but not one at this level
s2
£500.00 and it does not even come with a separate thermal block for the steam wand. this is not good enough for the money
I'm not sure I'd specifically use the lack of a separate thermoblock for steam as a con, that's quite a specific feature (Legato/Apex & Kafmasino) but yeah, it's fair to say that this is an increasingly competitive market, and I do think the classic is at risk of falling behind given some of the similarly priced competition - although, there are pros to the Classic too. I'll do a side by side comparison with the Apex soon. Ta, Kev.
@Coffee_Kev look forward to seeing that. Ilhere in the uk I noticed there is now a second gen mii coffee which includes a adjustable pressure valve as well as the other features for £399.00 which makes this without even a automatic single shot and double shot button a real letdown
I’d not be so blunt, I’ve a classic since three years, and it’s overall a very good a capable machine. Let the caffè talk.