setting up large companies, giving them for half-free, getting people used to them, raising prices and milking them, it's the same on the computer games market.. thx for video!
I completely agree with you, six months ago we wanted to replace part of the server park. We received an offer from Dell and HP. After negotiations the price could be reduced by another 30%. We couldn't reach an agreement with VMware, the new part now runs on Proxmox. 90% of the VMs could be easily converted with OVF.
I totally agree with having your own IT department and data centre should you be dependent on IT. The last four years I’ve been maintaining my employers data centre. Sadly, my employer is moving away from using what I have created and what is already paid for. Our entire IT is moving to a cloud which cost us multiple times my salary each month. I can admit that maybe it is myself that don’t understand the economics of 2023. There’s just so much money going to waste each and every hour, and I don’t understand how that is more profitable than owning things yourself.
Clear Skies. Words to live by. My IT colleagues find me odd because I'm the only IT guy who hates cloud services in my circles. I had that reasons when I was asked why I hate cloud services. We're never know how much they charged in the future.
Plus, when dispositioning donated hardware for a nonprofit I ran across a network product from a well known vendor where half of the soldered on memory was a "feature" that could be licensed...wth, not to mention it's software "features" licenses. At the end of the day it became recycled and landfill fodder. Seems related to your rant. Thanks for hanging in there all these years. Great content.
Great video Morten, I think you've nailed the problem. This is the main reason my company decided do completely ditch in house data center and move EVERYTHING to AWS. Is it cheaper? hell no, but not having to deal with this ever changing sales tactics from VMware, HPe and Lenovo made it worth. Plus, we now have a level of redundancy we could never have achieved on our DC, and I dont have to worry about updating VMware / Veeam clusters every 2 years or so (such a pain in the *ss). I'm old school hardware tech, love maintaining servers, storages, SAN networks, etc... but as for myself, I'm going all in with AWS certifications.
@@MyPlayHouse Exactly - you can easily run k8s and autoscaling on your own network - hey you could even "rent out" any extra capacity as a cloud solution! 😉😉
That was not a rant. Morton. It was a good business strategy. My workplace does exactly what you suggested. We have two servers running each of the competing Hypervisers going just to say we have them and to test against. I do like the Clear Skies buzzword.
Another idea worth keeping in mind: Open APIs and splitting systems. Who cares which cloud is used if both speak OpenStack? Is management really such a pain if most stuff is just SNMP/SMTP/…? Who cares about downtimes if your're not using a vendor SAN api, but got something like Ceph in between? At least for server stuff you can build a stack that doesn't really care which hardware you're using.
yup, this is becoming crazy out there with DLC solutions and cloud based billing stuff increasing each renewal. I totally agree with your position. Mixing stuff is a really good way to have leverage in negotiations. Until you need a mainframe, then IBM is your only reasonable choice, but you should have the deep pocket then :D
Morten, as an former "big IT company employee" I can, and at the same time cannot agree with you. If big companies (customers) squeeze all they can out of an vendor, just because they are so big that vendor needs the revenue (and 0 or somethimes even negative margin) you can guess where big IT vendor get's his margin on HW. On small "run rate" deals done with small companies buying a few servers in a year. So smaller companies and individuals pay premium pricing to help support "your" bigger earnings achieved by saving a few bucks. There is a wery thin line between an ok deal and a bad one in hardware and when you are pushed to cross it, it is a win, but a sour one. For software and cloud this is another story. Development cost is gone already, now the only cost of a SW product is licence paper and of course support and development of new versions. But margins are with bigger vendors always set at 99%. BTW i really like your Clear Sky Strategy... will sell your idea onwards.
Just with everything else, you need volume to get good prices,, I am also not able to make as good deals if i need 4 servers. My job is to get the best deal for my company,, there is no doubt in my mind that they are still making good money on the stuff I buy.
Hi, thanks for the video, super helpful. I want to apologize, I tried to report an ad (which is phishing), but I accidentally reported the video. I can't find a way to remove the report :(
I had a similar issue with Adobe they tried to double my subscription after a year, I advised them to cancel all services, and in return they advised they would allow me to retain the original price. This just shows they don’t need to increase their prices but will try it on to increase revenue.
The hardware OES/OEL model forcing hardware upgrades every four years whether you want or need to or not. I see car manufacturers are moving into the subscription model for unlocking "features" now also.
Totally agree, but for some reason the corporate world is too brainwashed so when you suggest open source software they perceive it as a downgrade even if some are much better than their closed contreparts. Big players like sap and vmware are unbeatable when it comes to their salesmens and sales pitch...
XCP-NG now has a vmware to xen migration method, it's supposed to be easy but I have no experience with the process. I've only done VHD imports into XCP-NG.
Tune in next Tuesday for more Doom & Gloom with 'Mortens Midweek Melancholy Mumblings' Now if none of you are using that rope I'd like to borrow it 😢 😂
So I dumped this comment earlier, but basically this is what I was trying to say, which was misinterpreted. VMWare has had nasty business practices long before the Broadcrap buyout. Support issues, parasitic product packaging/sales, etc etc. It "works" just fine. Mostly. This cloud crap is just bad news all around.
There's no cloud. Just other person's computer. And also a buzzword to hide all the rubbish they made to get the control over your data. My strategy: two own self hosted local datacenters with mirroring or replication. And backup-storage at a seperated place (other building) and additional offline-backups on external storage (only connected at backup-time). And from time to time i restore backups of the live machines on isolated VMs and leave them powered down until the next restore. And for sure I test to migrate VMs or bare-metal installations to different hypervisors and/or hardware.
Hi @matthiaslange392 I have been thinking about making a comparansens with transportations,,, where all public transport is the cloud,, so if you want to use cloud,,, take the bus. Thank you for watching! :-)
AHH a lot of business do this, it's like car insurance, they auto renew, which can make a price adjustment. But they trust that people are lazy so won't hunt around.. most internet providers do the same... We did office/business software back in 2007 that allowed multi users bla bla, we did it free. I believe it's still available maybe maintained as it was massively popular. Facebook used it.. can't remember what it's called, desk something.. hot desk, multi desk I really don't know, But CRM does the same?? Used to..
@@MyPlayHouse the problem is the investment to start up in what's a closed market. There are other companies that makes things with the most obscure names.
The cloud is still a buzzword I guess, but I view it differently. I view the cloud as a means for big tech to arbitrarily changes the terms and conditions, and perhaps even use your data for their analytics. I have my own storage operated by me. Cloud connected devices are just things you paid for but soon have to pay subscription fees to continue to use them for the safety of the children. I like how you went on this rant. There is a lot to be angry about.
It is a bit more complicated than that,, not all companies will get the same prices from the producer, and they also get a yearly kickback for the producer,,, and they might share some of that with me.
@@MyPlayHouse if you have ever bought a perpetual software license, that is a long term rental paid upfront. You have no ownership rights, you can’t change, modify, and in many cases sell it. You can buy and own a license, but you don’t own the software.
@@MyPlayHouse locking/unlocking features for a fee/subscription or a car that wont start because it cant connect to the network or because you have traffic tickets to pay for.
setting up large companies, giving them for half-free, getting people used to them, raising prices and milking them, it's the same on the computer games market.. thx for video!
and the drugs market :-/
I completely agree with you, six months ago we wanted to replace part of the server park. We received an offer from Dell and HP. After negotiations the price could be reduced by another 30%.
We couldn't reach an agreement with VMware, the new part now runs on Proxmox. 90% of the VMs could be easily converted with OVF.
"easily converted with OVF" How do you do that?
I agree with your position Morten. Not allowing the vendors to treat you or your company as a cash cow is a very good idea.
Need to keep your options open.
I totally agree with having your own IT department and data centre should you be dependent on IT. The last four years I’ve been maintaining my employers data centre. Sadly, my employer is moving away from using what I have created and what is already paid for. Our entire IT is moving to a cloud which cost us multiple times my salary each month. I can admit that maybe it is myself that don’t understand the economics of 2023. There’s just so much money going to waste each and every hour, and I don’t understand how that is more profitable than owning things yourself.
And when there is no going back,, and all the IT people has gone,,, the prices will go up..
Clear Skies. Words to live by. My IT colleagues find me odd because I'm the only IT guy who hates cloud services in my circles. I had that reasons when I was asked why I hate cloud services. We're never know how much they charged in the future.
Hi @gamtax
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Plus, when dispositioning donated hardware for a nonprofit I ran across a network product from a well known vendor where half of the soldered on memory was a "feature" that could be licensed...wth, not to mention it's software "features" licenses.
At the end of the day it became recycled and landfill fodder.
Seems related to your rant.
Thanks for hanging in there all these years. Great content.
Hi @spacecadet4876
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Great video Morten, I think you've nailed the problem. This is the main reason my company decided do completely ditch in house data center and move EVERYTHING to AWS. Is it cheaper? hell no, but not having to deal with this ever changing sales tactics from VMware, HPe and Lenovo made it worth. Plus, we now have a level of redundancy we could never have achieved on our DC, and I dont have to worry about updating VMware / Veeam clusters every 2 years or so (such a pain in the *ss). I'm old school hardware tech, love maintaining servers, storages, SAN networks, etc... but as for myself, I'm going all in with AWS certifications.
Well If you cant move your stuff, to another provider, with in a few month,, they will mess with you at some point.
Every company IT Policy should state that vendor lock-in should be avoided where possible. I agree with your stance on this issue.
Hi @davidgrishko1893
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
When I studied IT datalogi we called it "Distributed Computing". Suddenly it was "The Cloud"
Distributed Computing, is when you have a task that you can get solved on many servers,, and that can very well be many of your own servers.
@@MyPlayHouse Exactly - you can easily run k8s and autoscaling on your own network - hey you could even "rent out" any extra capacity as a cloud solution! 😉😉
An incredible look into the experience of modern IT specialist issues, absolutely love it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Preach, your now officially an "old fart" in the IT community, welcome to the club, I could not agree with you more :)
Not getting any Younger!! Thank You!! :-)
That was not a rant. Morton. It was a good business strategy. My workplace does exactly what you suggested. We have two servers running each of the competing Hypervisers going just to say we have them and to test against. I do like the Clear Skies buzzword.
Keep the skies clear!! :-)
Excellent rant. I fully concur. Thanks!
Hi @hesselkeegstra4286
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Another idea worth keeping in mind: Open APIs and splitting systems. Who cares which cloud is used if both speak OpenStack? Is management really such a pain if most stuff is just SNMP/SMTP/…? Who cares about downtimes if your're not using a vendor SAN api, but got something like Ceph in between? At least for server stuff you can build a stack that doesn't really care which hardware you're using.
Yes open standards,,, is great for keeping the prices down.
Thank you for sharing your precious experience and advices. That was so helpful.
Hi @onurjp
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yup, this is becoming crazy out there with DLC solutions and cloud based billing stuff increasing each renewal. I totally agree with your position. Mixing stuff is a really good way to have leverage in negotiations. Until you need a mainframe, then IBM is your only reasonable choice, but you should have the deep pocket then :D
Than you need to be able to run what ever you want to run on a mainframe,,, on linux,, as well.
I like the Clear Sky phrase, going to start using it. I'm anti-cloud.
The Clear Sky's days are way better then the clouded ones.. :-)
Morten, as an former "big IT company employee" I can, and at the same time cannot agree with you. If big companies (customers) squeeze all they can out of an vendor, just because they are so big that vendor needs the revenue (and 0 or somethimes even negative margin) you can guess where big IT vendor get's his margin on HW. On small "run rate" deals done with small companies buying a few servers in a year. So smaller companies and individuals pay premium pricing to help support "your" bigger earnings achieved by saving a few bucks. There is a wery thin line between an ok deal and a bad one in hardware and when you are pushed to cross it, it is a win, but a sour one. For software and cloud this is another story. Development cost is gone already, now the only cost of a SW product is licence paper and of course support and development of new versions. But margins are with bigger vendors always set at 99%.
BTW i really like your Clear Sky Strategy... will sell your idea onwards.
Just with everything else, you need volume to get good prices,, I am also not able to make as good deals if i need 4 servers.
My job is to get the best deal for my company,, there is no doubt in my mind that they are still making good money on the stuff I buy.
Extortion seems to be a good working buisiness modell. Especially if it is not illegal
Well,, here the EU is doing a lot to prevent Extortion on IT,,, but hard to keep up.
Totally agree with everything you said here 👍
Thank You :-)
Adobe is really champion in this!!! Pay or lose access to your tools
I made a active decision to not use Adobe,, years back,,, when they started that. Still happy with that. (my video editing software)
I have such thing in my company. I went with Supermicro and now i'm inbetween Dell, Lenovo Epyc servers.
i will never go with HPE again.
Hope you can negotiate some good prices.
Hi, thanks for the video, super helpful.
I want to apologize, I tried to report an ad (which is phishing), but I accidentally reported the video. I can't find a way to remove the report :(
humm and for onces I am not trying to sell you anything :-)
@@MyPlayHouse I'm sorry. I really like you and I like your channel. I can give you the ID of the report so you can tell them it's a mistake.
Synology LOL! Yeah I can relate! They think they can use their devices for enterprise networks! TY for agreeing with me!
I did not talk about Synology,, did I ??
Maybe I was thinking about sales people always pushing their products... my mistake.
I had a similar issue with Adobe they tried to double my subscription after a year, I advised them to cancel all services, and in return they advised they would allow me to retain the original price. This just shows they don’t need to increase their prices but will try it on to increase revenue.
You can do that if you have negotiation power,, if they know it will cost you to much. You would not get that deal.
The hardware OES/OEL model forcing hardware upgrades every four years whether you want or need to or not. I see car manufacturers are moving into the subscription model for unlocking "features" now also.
I do not like that,, I do like to get new subscribers,, but that is different..
That's is why always recommend first open source solutions
Totally agree, but for some reason the corporate world is too brainwashed so when you suggest open source software they perceive it as a downgrade even if some are much better than their closed contreparts. Big players like sap and vmware are unbeatable when it comes to their salesmens and sales pitch...
@@RobertDesjardins-q8s also if businesses help fund said open source projects and ask for features they tend to get them and help both parties grow
Hi @matiasm.3124
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
XCP-NG now has a vmware to xen migration method, it's supposed to be easy but I have no experience with the process. I've only done VHD imports into XCP-NG.
Hi @minigpracing3068
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Thank you for watching! :-)
Wise words.
Hi @JerryScroggin
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I think this man just predicted the future
Pick your software with great care!! :-)
Watch out for the politics. I've seen it where Big Vendor gives the executive of the company you work for a large kick back under the table.
Yep have seen that as well,,, when they can't win a fight,, they will play dirty, and get personal.
Tune in next Tuesday for more Doom & Gloom with 'Mortens Midweek Melancholy Mumblings'
Now if none of you are using that rope I'd like to borrow it 😢
😂
Tune in and enjoy feeling way smarter than the host of My PonnyShow :-)
So I dumped this comment earlier, but basically this is what I was trying to say, which was misinterpreted. VMWare has had nasty business practices long before the Broadcrap buyout. Support issues, parasitic product packaging/sales, etc etc. It "works" just fine. Mostly. This cloud crap is just bad news all around.
Hi @Sansui350A
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Thank you for watching! :-)
They are just greedy... :-/
I loved this (valid) rant 😂
Hi @kennethbudts105
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There's no cloud. Just other person's computer. And also a buzzword to hide all the rubbish they made to get the control over your data.
My strategy: two own self hosted local datacenters with mirroring or replication. And backup-storage at a seperated place (other building) and additional offline-backups on external storage (only connected at backup-time).
And from time to time i restore backups of the live machines on isolated VMs and leave them powered down until the next restore. And for sure I test to migrate VMs or bare-metal installations to different hypervisors and/or hardware.
Hi @matthiaslange392
I have been thinking about making a comparansens with transportations,,, where all public transport is the cloud,, so if you want to use cloud,,, take the bus.
Thank you for watching! :-)
AHH a lot of business do this, it's like car insurance, they auto renew, which can make a price adjustment.
But they trust that people are lazy so won't hunt around.. most internet providers do the same...
We did office/business software back in 2007 that allowed multi users bla bla, we did it free. I believe it's still available maybe maintained as it was massively popular. Facebook used it.. can't remember what it's called, desk something.. hot desk, multi desk I really don't know,
But CRM does the same?? Used to..
Would love to get some more competition going.
@@MyPlayHouse the problem is the investment to start up in what's a closed market. There are other companies that makes things with the most obscure names.
The cloud is still a buzzword I guess, but I view it differently. I view the cloud as a means for big tech to arbitrarily changes the terms and conditions, and perhaps even use your data for their analytics. I have my own storage operated by me. Cloud connected devices are just things you paid for but soon have to pay subscription fees to continue to use them for the safety of the children.
I like how you went on this rant. There is a lot to be angry about.
Clear Sky,, is the way to go!
Kinda like a cpu maker charging premiums to unlock integrated function accelerators.
Crap like that :-/
09:06 if they are both going back to the same supplier then its just their profit margin your bargaining over.
It is a bit more complicated than that,, not all companies will get the same prices from the producer, and they also get a yearly kickback for the producer,,, and they might share some of that with me.
Morten's Post Mortem ? 😀
I do not understand.
a play on words .. your name and the end game analysis of your perception of buying hardware. the examination of the after effect, so to speak.
buy Supermicro servers! call it a day
I have yet to see a Supermicro server that I felt was enterprise.
Was never a fan of cloud computing as i don't like having my data held hostage.
No that can really suck,,, and then the prices goes up.
👍
Hi @skynetcybersystem3tech
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The cloud is just someone else’s computer which moves your control to them.
Swamp computing,, just try and get out again.
hi Morden just so you know the company AMD has closed support for the graphics cards it's Polaris gpu it just killed support for them just so you know
I do not believe I have any.
ok@@MyPlayHouse
Only 3 more to 1337 ;)
why is that a spicial number?
@@MyPlayHouse it's like spelling "leet" which is short for "elite". Just a funny nerdy thing.
oh you don't buy it, you rent it.
I do not rent stuff..
@@MyPlayHouse if you have ever bought a perpetual software license, that is a long term rental paid upfront. You have no ownership rights, you can’t change, modify, and in many cases sell it.
You can buy and own a license, but you don’t own the software.
I thought netapp is biggest storage vendor.
No Dell EMC is bigger,, not the newest numbers but Q2-2022 Dell EMC was 26.98% and NETAPP 9.93%
This is what will happen with cars, it looks like.
with firmware or ??
@@MyPlayHouse locking/unlocking features for a fee/subscription or a car that wont start because it cant connect to the network or because you have traffic tickets to pay for.
Have a look at parallels, ,it is cheaper than citrix. Maybe do a video on it.
:-) We have a lot of users,, Parallels prices is like 3X through negotiations would be needed.