The FBI Framed Him With Science

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  • Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
  • When tragedy struck Madrid on March 11, 2004, the international community including the FBI rushed to help Spanish police identify the perpetrators. Some of them were too eager.
    A partial fingerprint match to Oregon lawyer Brandon Mayfield thrust him directly into the sights of law enforcement -- and eventually into a jail cell. Despite being 5,000 miles away and not even having a valid passport at the time, the FBI started collecting all sorts of evidence to suggest Mayfield’s guilt. And the problem was having too much data to sort through.
    The FBI committed a series of errors from having far too much confidence in fingerprint forensics to employing one of the most common and easily avoidable logical fallacies. They also failed to acknowledge confirmation bias throughout their investigation, and the result was a case against Mayfield that rested on carefully selecting evidence and ignoring the whole truth.
    In the nearly two decades that have followed, the FBI’s misuse of forensic evidence and data in the Mayfield case has forced scientists, mathematicians, and courts to re-examine their practices and re-think the validity of what we used to think was perfectly accurate.
    Sometimes we don’t have enough evidence to know what really happened -- and other times we have so much information that we actually get it wrong.
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  • @surrealentertainment
    @surrealentertainment 2 роки тому +5947

    You say we don't see many 5 foot 3 men with 7 foot wingspans, yet we can clearly see one in the video. Curious

  • @dracorex426
    @dracorex426 2 роки тому +4824

    "The FBI seized my homework" must have been a new one for that teacher.

    • @giladrosen
      @giladrosen 2 роки тому +149

      LMAO

    • @Chazbc
      @Chazbc 2 роки тому +262

      ¡En Español, por favor!

    • @The-Amateur-Magician
      @The-Amateur-Magician 2 роки тому +262

      @@Chazbc "El FBI robó mi asignación" debe haber sido una nueva oración para ese maestro.

    • @Chazbc
      @Chazbc 2 роки тому +162

      @@The-Amateur-Magician ¡Muy bien!

    • @NickRoman
      @NickRoman 2 роки тому +129

      And then ate it.

  • @samueljames0908
    @samueljames0908 2 роки тому +3872

    This is a perfect example of why "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" is wrong. Evidence against you will be found no matter how innocent you are. Facts and data can very easily be twisted, as it was in this case.

    • @menjolno
      @menjolno 2 роки тому +13

      You are wrong. If everyone hides, we would know less about the evidence twists.

    • @TheMagzuz
      @TheMagzuz 2 роки тому +341

      "Give me six lines written by the most honest person, and I will find something to have them hanged for"

    • @filip4698
      @filip4698 2 роки тому +12

      @Westpoint wtf?

    • @NickRoman
      @NickRoman 2 роки тому +45

      I think the point is that we are allowing more evidence to sway people than that evidence has a rationale to. So, only allow evidence that can be found in spite of a high degree of privacy because presumably that is the evidence that speaks more to proof of wrong doing. And all of that because it's better than framing innocent people. Maybe the answer is to find much better ways to ensure that investigators are actually doing a good job. But again, if that can't be done, then first stop framing innocent people. Yes?

    • @5hirtandtieler
      @5hirtandtieler 2 роки тому +54

      @@menjolno Your conclusion is irrelevant because not everyone hides. That said, you can still find information if people attempt to hide it...I mean, that’s how investigations tend to work....

  • @Canadian_Ry
    @Canadian_Ry 2 роки тому +2031

    I was once falsely accused by the police. I envisioned my whole world and future prospects come crashing down around me as they twisted my words to fit their narrative. My incident was resolved without incrimination within a few hours and it was the most nerve-wracking experiences of my life. I can only begin to imagine how Brandon must have felt during his ordeal. He's a champion for persevering.

    • @realGBx64
      @realGBx64 2 роки тому +112

      Yeah those who say you should never talk to the police are right

    • @nmxsanchez
      @nmxsanchez 2 роки тому +192

      Hell I was falsely accused of smoking weed in the bathroom (can't imagine why as the only brown kid in a Mormon private school) and THAT was traumatic enough. I can't imagine what you and the first commenter went through and I hope you guys are doing better now.

    • @MysteryHistery
      @MysteryHistery 2 роки тому +5

      @Mck Idyl did you sue them

    • @FallenShadowNinja
      @FallenShadowNinja 2 роки тому +28

      Don't trust the police. EVER. Don't trust authority figures.

    • @jamesmoriarty3877
      @jamesmoriarty3877 2 роки тому +10

      Let's go, Brandon!

  • @notmitrius7093
    @notmitrius7093 2 роки тому +830

    This reminds me of of a tongue-in-cheek kind of way that my Statistics professor once described things like confirmation bias: "If you torture your data enough, it will eventually confess to significance."

    • @sdnlawrence5640
      @sdnlawrence5640 2 роки тому +11

      Great Line!
      Describes pretty much every government funded study.

    • @2411509igwt
      @2411509igwt 2 роки тому +5

      @@sdnlawrence5640 except big pharma and covid, of course.

    • @jojothermidor
      @jojothermidor 2 роки тому +4

      Ahh, just like the nuremberg "trials."

    • @vectorflux8887
      @vectorflux8887 2 роки тому

      @@jojothermidor those Nazis were guilty

    • @jojothermidor
      @jojothermidor 2 роки тому +6

      @@vectorflux8887 Forced testimonies.

  • @kcldnx3485
    @kcldnx3485 2 роки тому +931

    imagine being the son and getting an F for the missing Spanish homework but actually the FBI took it

    • @that-dude-jeffe3305
      @that-dude-jeffe3305 2 роки тому +157

      Imagine the teacher when they realized he was telling the truth

    • @darthandrew2036
      @darthandrew2036 2 роки тому +9

      I was thinking the same thing

    • @andreygusev7340
      @andreygusev7340 2 роки тому +80

      "the fbi took my homework"

    • @darthandrew2036
      @darthandrew2036 2 роки тому +73

      @@andreygusev7340 "I don't want to hear excuses Jimmy, now where is your homework really."

    • @theboss-by5gd
      @theboss-by5gd 2 роки тому +40

      @@that-dude-jeffe3305 the teacher be like:"ugh ur excuses get worse by the day"
      😂😂

  • @FLHerbologistLaura
    @FLHerbologistLaura 2 роки тому +524

    I was falsely charged of a drug crime when I was 18 years old and a student with a full ride scholarship at a university 7 hours away from where the crime was committed. My class was raided,. I was hauled out in handcuffs, my parents house hours away with my younger siblings was raided, my parents had to hire me an attorney and fight the charges for two years. I was kicked out of the university, lost my scholarship, had to go to court numerous times over the years, paranoid at every second that my life would get destroyed again. The sheriffs dept finally admitted where they got their info, and the girl looked like me, from my old high school and was dating my old high school boyfriend. After thousands of dollars and two years, charges were finally dropped, but my anxiety never left. I was never able to go back to school due to the anxiety, etc. My parents never got over it, and my siblings both got rejected from the university I was kicked out of unfairly, despite having better grades than I did. That really destroyed my life, and changed the entire path of my life.

    • @based980
      @based980 2 роки тому +20

      have you tried giving into the voices

    • @lizc6393
      @lizc6393 2 роки тому +64

      My heart breaks for you. Do what helps you heal and feeds your soul. I can't help but think that if you wrote a book about your experience it would be astoundingly successful. If anyone has a right to yell ACAB, it is you. ♥️

    • @optimx314
      @optimx314 2 роки тому +20

      @@based980 killl them killl them
      -the voices

    • @chazzerayen4615
      @chazzerayen4615 2 роки тому +5

      Aren't you innocent until proven guilty

    • @IrvineTheHunter
      @IrvineTheHunter Рік тому +23

      @@chazzerayen4615 for criminal cases, yes, in the US at least, but being charged already means the case is stacked against you.

  • @idontwantahandlethough
    @idontwantahandlethough 2 роки тому +260

    LOL the "spanish documents" being his kid's Spanish homework is _absolutely_ HILARIOUS!
    FBI spooks break in and read _the document:_
    "Donde esta la biblioteca?
    me gusta ir a la playa!"
    "Johnson, come take a look at this! It must be some kind of secret Al Qaeda code!"

    • @Corvid-Conquest
      @Corvid-Conquest Рік тому +9

      Where is the library?
      I like to go to the beach!

    • @potatomongrel
      @potatomongrel 5 місяців тому +5

      That kid gets to say "El FBI confiscó mi tarea de español." To their spanish teacher. XD

  • @mastershooter64
    @mastershooter64 2 роки тому +446

    damn imagine how many people are falsely accused like that and are serving sentences right now

    • @EGRJ
      @EGRJ 2 роки тому +80

      I once read a crime novel called The Red Thumb-mark, about how easy it would be to frame someone with a fingerprint and how gullible juries can be when it comes to forensics.
      The book came out in 1907. Fingerprints were still cutting edge technology. Imagine what someone could do today.

    • @mastershooter64
      @mastershooter64 2 роки тому +9

      @@EGRJ oh wow yeah someone could plant DNA evidence right now

    • @eternaldarkness3139
      @eternaldarkness3139 2 роки тому +62

      Best way to put an innocent person in prison:
      Threaten them with extremely long sentences if they don't plead guilty.

    • @hugoclarke3284
      @hugoclarke3284 2 роки тому +6

      Why do you think China loves this kind of tech

    • @BariumCobaltNitrog3n
      @BariumCobaltNitrog3n 2 роки тому +11

      Studies suggest that up to 10% of people on death row are not the person who did the crime and/or innocent.

  • @skylerblumenthal7003
    @skylerblumenthal7003 2 роки тому +1719

    I'm digging the vsauce2/true crime trend

    • @JoaquinBauman
      @JoaquinBauman 2 роки тому +13

      Same I'm really enjoying it

    • @DonutSlayer99
      @DonutSlayer99 2 роки тому +43

      I appreciate that it's more like true innocence, which is a refreshing and frankly more interesting type of content

    • @NRClips3414
      @NRClips3414 2 роки тому +1

      Same

    • @jackimo22
      @jackimo22 2 роки тому

      You know you can truly trust the validity on the info! So good

    • @tomweather8887
      @tomweather8887 2 роки тому +6

      The JCS bug is spreading far and wide.

  • @JohnSwanYT
    @JohnSwanYT 2 роки тому +1875

    Had so much fun editing this. Hope you guys enjoy the video!

    • @DetectiveWraith
      @DetectiveWraith 2 роки тому +31

      You did pretty good.

    • @KrishnanandKJ
      @KrishnanandKJ 2 роки тому +8

      Ok

    • @severe1878
      @severe1878 2 роки тому +27

      Damn john swan you edited vsauce 2's video?

    • @wardfiction5693
      @wardfiction5693 2 роки тому +13

      This guy knows how to edit a video... You can learn a lot from him... Keep it up John...

    • @Draxis32
      @Draxis32 2 роки тому +6

      Prime work my man! Absolutely joyful!

  • @RobbieBeswick
    @RobbieBeswick 2 роки тому +1080

    The best part about this case is the FBI seizing Spanish homework.. the reputation and training they have😂 I bet that agent got sacked after they realised it was homework

    • @thecomposerchanginggames5250
      @thecomposerchanginggames5250 2 роки тому +231

      🤣 can you imagine that kid:
      Teacher: "Where's your homework???"
      Kid: "Yea an FBI took it"

    • @MrSensfan4
      @MrSensfan4 2 роки тому +30

      Haha I'm just imagining the interrogation basically being like the scene in The Big Lebowski where The Dude and Walter go to confront Larry Sellers

    • @theboss-by5gd
      @theboss-by5gd 2 роки тому +4

      @@thecomposerchanginggames5250 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @MateusAntonioBittencourt
      @MateusAntonioBittencourt 2 роки тому +115

      Really? That agent is probably the head of FBI by now. Being determined to frame an innocent person regardless of the evidence showing their innocence is a requirement to be able to rise through the ranks.

    • @rohitchaoji
      @rohitchaoji 2 роки тому +28

      Reputation and training? Law enforcement are as dumb as they come.

  • @thecomposerchanginggames5250
    @thecomposerchanginggames5250 2 роки тому +277

    🤣 can you imagine that kid:
    Teacher: "Where's your homework???"
    Kid: "Yea an FBI took it"

    • @fetchstixRHD
      @fetchstixRHD 2 роки тому +25

      "No, really, they took it and locked up my dad, they think he's related to a bombing in Spain despite never being there, and-"
      Teacher: "You know, you're making it obvious you're lying by going into so much detail..."
      *kid gets detention as well for lying*

    • @SolidCoreBlack
      @SolidCoreBlack 2 роки тому

      😂😂😂😂

    • @nickkohlmann
      @nickkohlmann 2 роки тому +1

      "an FBI"

  • @aaronfidelis3188
    @aaronfidelis3188 2 роки тому +30

    When you are seizing someone’s homework and calling it evidence of terrorism, that’s when you know you’ve gone too far.

  • @alarcon99
    @alarcon99 2 роки тому +310

    Vsauce2 please keep this series going. It’s so important to highlight when data is used wrong and it’s directly tied to the potential problems with AI.

    • @Glibzer
      @Glibzer 2 роки тому +1

      Hope you know chinas surveillance

    • @psychopompous489
      @psychopompous489 2 роки тому +4

      @@Glibzer Wot

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 2 роки тому +4

      Future police: AI don't make mis-
      We regretfully apologize for the mistake with our new forensic algorithm.

    • @simonmcneilly55
      @simonmcneilly55 2 роки тому

      Don’t worry it’s just a glitch In The algorithm , we’ll fix it in the next update....

  • @tita_piranna
    @tita_piranna 2 роки тому +368

    Here the 11M is a date full of meaning and many people mourn the deaths of the victims. To be honest I didn't expect Vsauce to ever turn their attention to something so close to home, but must say it's a very insteresting case of an accidental and apparently unexplicable incrimination. Thank you for this, Kevin.

    • @alistairmathie7632
      @alistairmathie7632 2 роки тому +5

      Can I ask why the name 11m?

    • @CiDK
      @CiDK 2 роки тому +19

      @@alistairmathie7632 cause it happened on March 11th

    • @Starkiller160793
      @Starkiller160793 2 роки тому +33

      @@alistairmathie7632 Kinda why the terrorist attack on the Twin Towers is called 9/11, due to happening the 11th of September. It's 11M cause it happened on the 11h of March (Marzo in Spanish).
      Also us Spanish people (and maybe most of Europe) say dates like day/month instead of month/day.
      Also, in Spain, we call the US terrorist attack 11S (11 de Septiembre)

    • @alistairmathie7632
      @alistairmathie7632 2 роки тому +11

      @@Starkiller160793 thanks it was just the m part which was confusing me
      And if you couldn’t tell by my pfp I’m Scottish and yeah we do date it day/ month

    • @NickRoman
      @NickRoman 2 роки тому +5

      I think they are wanting to make videos that show how important what they talk about really is. A good understanding of math and logic can prevent devastating injustice sometimes.

  • @DJCReptiles
    @DJCReptiles 2 роки тому +180

    I’m really loving this video series that focuses on mistakes in true crime. This is a very interesting case and the video was done masterfully. I love the editing of all of the clips and newspaper segments. Plus all of the information presented is incredibly informative.

  • @remyzorba6287
    @remyzorba6287 2 роки тому +61

    Imagine being the kid that has to tell their teacher they don't have their homework because the FBI took it in a raid on his home due to suspected terrorism

  • @BoomerElite4u
    @BoomerElite4u 2 роки тому +26

    It's funny how the FBI and CIA have done stuff like this for decades and gotten away with it, and people act like they aren't doing it now.

    • @rp7r54
      @rp7r54 4 місяці тому

      WE KNOW. GOOGLE ROBERT WAYNE O'FERRELL, RICHARD JEWELL. MARTIN LUTHER KING

  • @SgtSupaman
    @SgtSupaman 2 роки тому +37

    “It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” -Sherlock Holmes, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

  • @basementdwellercosplay
    @basementdwellercosplay 2 роки тому +19

    Could you imagine being the kid having to explain that your homework was taken by the police and being used in your dad's case where he committed a bombing an ocean away. Hope the teacher checked the news

  • @TommyCrosby
    @TommyCrosby 2 роки тому +19

    This is why justice will never be able to find the perfect truth and we use "beyond reasonable doubt" based of evidence admitted in court.

  • @ShaolinMonkster
    @ShaolinMonkster 2 роки тому +48

    Hey Kevin , just wanted to say that I admire these kind of science videos. I get fed up many times with science channels that speak about new science and new technology so cheerfully when everything needs to be seen from many directions. The consequences in social, political, imperial etc. is too important and is too neglected.

  • @Sooper-Pumpkin
    @Sooper-Pumpkin 2 роки тому +8

    FBI: *Finds Paper with Spanish words on it*
    Paper: What word is Uno in English?
    FBI: Ah yes Spanish Documents that clearly incriminate our prime suspect

  • @smartereveryday
    @smartereveryday 2 роки тому +72

    Solid video!

  • @user-vn7ce5ig1z
    @user-vn7ce5ig1z 2 роки тому +139

    I'd be interested in seeing a comparison of Mayfield's prints and Daoud's prints. How similar are they actually? - People have an impression that fingerprints are necessarily guaranteed to be unique, but that would require an infinite number of possible prints. There are _not_ an infinite number of possible prints. In fact, it's highly likely numerous people have had prints exactly like someone else that has existed at some point in time. There isn't even an infinite number possible DNA.

    • @richardfarrer5616
      @richardfarrer5616 2 роки тому +32

      In practice, analyses look for specific points of similarity, so they don't check the whole fingerprint anyway. Even if fingerprints are different, there may be sufficient similarities to conclude they are the same. And, of course, it was a low quality, compressed image of a print, which was almost certainly not the whole of the finger.

    • @ayoCC
      @ayoCC 2 роки тому +8

      I'm pretty sure the first thing in biology we learn about fingerprints is that one in like a couple million will match, and that retinas are even more unique.

    • @phee4174
      @phee4174 2 роки тому +8

      err while I'd agree with your general point, finger prints being unique would not require there being an infinite number of potential fingerprints, the number of them would just have to be larger then the number of potential human minds that could exist (or well on present day other at least, if aliens existed, or if bioengineering advances far to create new sapient species or AGI was invented, or etc, there would be people that weren't human, but those cases aren't really relevant) , which while incredibly large, it's still a finite number (as among other reasons, there's only a finite number of ways that the particles in a human body can be arranged)

    • @carsonhunt4642
      @carsonhunt4642 2 роки тому +13

      While I agreed about the fingerprints, because it’s just surface level identifier, you’re very wrong about dna. You don’t even want to know the amount of dna code there is in you. While 99.99% is the same as everyone else, there’s still hundred of identifiers separating you from your sibling. It’s literally impossible for it to ever match anyone. Infinite, because it can’t regress markers down the line actually.

    • @idontwantahandlethough
      @idontwantahandlethough 2 роки тому +6

      @@carsonhunt4642 I mean you're not wrong, but they're objectively correct in what they said, although in this situation, it's kinda of the "technically correct" variety. There are absolutely a finite number of ways that our DNA can be arranged just as there is [technically] a finite number of ways the atoms in the universe can be arranged. It's just that it's such a huge number that in practice its closer to infinity than any "normal" number (obviously what I just said isn't technically true, but I'm sure you understand what I mean).

  • @Draxis32
    @Draxis32 2 роки тому +68

    I absolutely love the ways Vsauce2 has reinvented itself. It is absolutely amazing. I've been following Vsauce, and later Vsauce2 for the past decade and I am thrilled with this new content!

  • @nickronca1562
    @nickronca1562 2 роки тому +33

    9:39 them saying "this degree of coincidence is extraordinarily rare" sounds very similar to "points of similarity that seem to go beyond reasonable coincidence" in the list of similarities between "The Lion King" and "Kimba the White Lion" and we all know how that worked out for them.

    • @DarranKern
      @DarranKern 2 роки тому +3

      The lion king has one single similarity with kimba: it stars a young lion.
      People who say they’re the same or that lion king is a ripoff have literally never watched an episode of kimba

  • @fatetreat
    @fatetreat 2 роки тому +20

    These are getting better than Netflix specials, thanks so much for uploading.

  • @NickRoman
    @NickRoman 2 роки тому +22

    So, we know that the FBI has a crazy amount more information about everyone than ever before. That's easy to assume. But, do we know if they have somehow been required to do a better job of analysis? If not, this problem only gets worse and worse.

    • @iy42
      @iy42 2 роки тому +6

      Required? No. The FBI was originally created to gather dirt and frame those they considered political enemies of the state. Their targets were originally socialists and communists (Charlie Chaplin and MLK) and later on became Muslims. I think calling this a data analysis or confirmation bias issue overlooks the political context the FBI exists in; Mayfield becoming a prime suspect based on his conversion to Islam is and has been standard operating procedure for countless FBI investigations and they only got caught because of how public this one was (and also because he's white.)

    • @thewildcardperson
      @thewildcardperson 2 роки тому

      @@iy42 commies are the degenerates of the earth if we would just genocide them it wouldn't be a problem

  • @randyb3851
    @randyb3851 2 роки тому +20

    Whaaaaaat....nooooo, The FBI would never make a mistake and do something like this, they totally have a PERFECT track record.

    • @bane2201
      @bane2201 2 роки тому +3

      Exactly! Collecting all the data they and the NSA can get their hands on couldn't ever backfire. Both the data and the way they use the data are infallible! That's why the yearly number of deaths from terrorist attacks or mass shootings in the US hasn't been over 20 since 2012, compared to a maximum of 1 from 2003-2008.
      /s. The total number of deaths between 2003 and 2008 was 1. The minimum of the past 8 years was 21 in 2013. Since 2010 it's increased in 7 of the 10 full years. So much for data collection being useful.

  • @jmell458
    @jmell458 2 роки тому +16

    There was a similar case in Australia. Farrah Jamah was arrested for a case he didn't commit based on the CSI effect - the jury valued faulty DNA evidence over everything else that said he was innocent

  • @TickedOffPriest
    @TickedOffPriest 2 роки тому +45

    This was all on accident.
    Imagine what the FBI could do on purpose.

    • @danepcarver4951
      @danepcarver4951 2 роки тому +61

      Imagine what the FBI HAS DONE on purpose.

    • @shariamayfield5870
      @shariamayfield5870 2 роки тому +19

      I'm not convinced at all it was an accident, and with the full story I think many more would agree. (Sharia Mayfield here, Brandon's daughter).

    • @JohnSmith-ox3gy
      @JohnSmith-ox3gy 2 роки тому +18

      @@shariamayfield5870
      I'd indulge the possibility of a conspiracy, but this account was created three weeks ago for the express purpose to post on this video. There is nothing linking this account to Sharia Mayfield beyound the username.

    • @mikekasich836
      @mikekasich836 2 роки тому

      probably frame a president and throw questions to an elevand launch a color revolution against him

    • @henrywutzke1685
      @henrywutzke1685 2 роки тому

      @@danepcarver4951 jeffrey

  • @wolfchanel2879
    @wolfchanel2879 2 роки тому +82

    Heck yeah! Love the series on errors in the justice system via statistics. Think this one will stay monetized?

    • @williamlake1019
      @williamlake1019 2 роки тому +15

      Bet it won't last 24 hours. Can't let the peasants know that the alphabet cops aren't perfect

    • @NickRoman
      @NickRoman 2 роки тому +10

      Even though he's just reporting what many others have already reported and then highlighting the logic or math parts of it, calling attention to it is apparently controversy.

    • @williamlake1019
      @williamlake1019 2 роки тому +6

      @@NickRoman yes the same way they demonetized his last video that covered similar circumstances

  • @Valocity373
    @Valocity373 2 роки тому +14

    Im so happy to see more real life statistic and math cases being portrayed here. Hope this doesn't get demonetized

  • @michaelpathmann
    @michaelpathmann 2 роки тому +76

    I’m an actual forensic scientist. I’m more than happy to help whenever you make another video like this again. There are some missing details that would have made this video a little better in my opinion.

    • @shariamayfield5870
      @shariamayfield5870 2 роки тому +42

      Sharia Mayfield here (Brandon's daughter). I agree some details were missing (and a few inaccuracies), but I was overall glad that he was bringing attention to the issue. I hope you've looked into the NIST studies on the rampancy of confirmation bias. Also, if you're not in the loop with Brandon Garrett, I highly recommend his recent book "Autopsy of a Crime Lab." Please feel free to be in touch if you want to be part of our current national effort to push for "blind testing" (only using task-specific data to conduct the match).

    • @dhiyafaris
      @dhiyafaris 2 роки тому +14

      @@shariamayfield5870 fbi took your spanish homework? 😢

    • @idontwantahandlethough
      @idontwantahandlethough 2 роки тому +4

      You _look_ like a forensic scientist. I don't even know exactly what that means, but you do

    • @michaelpathmann
      @michaelpathmann 2 роки тому +11

      @@idontwantahandlethough I’ll take that as a compliment. Especially since I took this photo on my iPhone with the studio portrait mode inside a Taco Bell restroom.

  • @Zanroff
    @Zanroff 2 роки тому +9

    Imagine thinking the FBI is any different these days.

  • @THEDeathWizard87
    @THEDeathWizard87 2 роки тому +10

    This is a very important topic and it’s so great to see Kevin covering it like this. The fact is that law enforcement will sometimes just go after anyone that fits their data. The movie Richard Jewell is a really good look at another real life case like this

  • @rollingsausageltd
    @rollingsausageltd 2 роки тому +13

    Imagine trying to explain to your teacher that FBI took your homework

  • @WoziduranJahemter
    @WoziduranJahemter Рік тому +2

    Incompetence at their finest instead of simply asking for objective capacity to discern.

  • @ehrichweiss
    @ehrichweiss 2 роки тому +15

    I have a theory about the power lines/leukemia correlation that is far more likely than the power lines themselves. Around power lines they tend to keep any trees and brush down in the area in case they need to service the lines. One of the ways they do it is by spraying various herbicides in the area. There'll be plenty of overspray that would get into the yards around the lines and even if that didn't happen, the odds that children will play around those lines are about equal. As it happens, there are plenty of herbicides that have links to leukemia.

    • @e-curb
      @e-curb 2 роки тому +7

      For over 30 years, my father was in charge of the maintenance of high voltage power lines in my part of the world. One part of his job was to make sure the growth below the lines in the right-of-way was kept below about 6-8'. They never used chemicals, because they wanted low growing plants to help stabilize the soil to help reduce landslides. They only cut down tall growing trees once they grew above the max height. This was in mountainous terrain. In flat terrain, they would just let grasses take over. It would not be in the power company's best interest to have a wide swath of bare sterile dirt under their lines.
      TL:DR The power companies don't use herbicides under the power lines.

    • @Batmangutten
      @Batmangutten 2 роки тому +1

      @@samarnadra It could also be related to pure chance and not casually linked to any of those factors.

  • @leonardoalberti3329
    @leonardoalberti3329 4 місяці тому +1

    This channel is unbelievable, I'm happy to have discovered now, but at the same time sad that it took so long, this is a masterpiece.

  • @elidagdagan2780
    @elidagdagan2780 2 роки тому +15

    I love your True Crime Case Videos Kevin, please keep up the great work!

  • @1.4142
    @1.4142 2 роки тому +8

    Try telling the teacher "The FBI took my spanish homework."

  • @Carnage8
    @Carnage8 2 роки тому +11

    Bias kills reality

  • @officerbt3347
    @officerbt3347 2 роки тому +8

    Imagine you just spent an hour trying to finish your Spanish homework, and then it gets seized by the FBI

  • @BainesMkII
    @BainesMkII 2 роки тому +55

    The video repeatedly pushes the claim that the fault came from too much evidence, but that isn't true. The fault came from the misuse of available evidence, which has always been an issue regardless of the amount of evidence that is available. Putting so much responsibility on the amount of evidence only distracts from the real issue, which can be dangerous.

    • @warnstar1101
      @warnstar1101 2 роки тому +12

      You’re right, but with more data comes more supporting evidence via confirmation bias. It’s a problem regardless of amount of data, but gets worse with more data

    • @paulmahoney7619
      @paulmahoney7619 2 роки тому +13

      Basically, the more data you have, the easier it is to find a way to pull signal from noise.

    • @BUFU1610
      @BUFU1610 2 роки тому +4

      Indeed, the actual problem is terrible law enforcement.

    • @biazacha
      @biazacha 2 роки тому

      Yep, the data only shows up to confirm bias the agents already had… in this case if the guy wasn’t Muslim I honestly doubt things would go this far.

    • @0106johnny
      @0106johnny 2 роки тому +12

      No, the video makes the correct claim that the more evidence you have the easier it is to misuse it. Which is true.

  • @Pepa14pig
    @Pepa14pig Рік тому +3

    You know it wasn’t a mathematician that said that because we never say 100% 😂😂😂

  • @icyfire97
    @icyfire97 2 роки тому +4

    A really unique perspective within the True Crime genre, Kevin! Really loving it!!

  • @huntertausch1909
    @huntertausch1909 2 роки тому +5

    I LOVE the idea behind this video. It really reminds me about how sometimes the media and/or people of influence will interpret real data and numbers wrong to forward their agenda.

    • @jackengele2144
      @jackengele2144 2 роки тому +1

      "Sometimes" bro i would be shocked if they didn't do it every single time

  • @richardfrenette6648
    @richardfrenette6648 2 роки тому +6

    Thanks Kevin. Another very interesting and really important subject. Never realized too much of good data could lead to wrongful conclusion. Keep up the good work, love this series about math mistakes. Not just entertaining, but very informative about the pitfalls of having too much faith and not enough understanding of math tools.

  • @CaveWomanCuriosity
    @CaveWomanCuriosity 2 роки тому +3

    Long time listener, first time caller...
    I am absolutely loving these new videos you’re doing Kevin. Your content is always amazing and something I can share with friends and make them think.... but these stories, and how you tell them, they are sensational.
    Next level science and mystery stories my man, please keep making videos like this.

  • @andrewg.3281
    @andrewg.3281 2 роки тому +4

    Imagine his son having to go back to school and tell his teacher that the fbi took his homework

  • @joshwindle1022
    @joshwindle1022 2 роки тому +2

    "he suspected his home and office had been broken into... because they were both REALLY broken into..." 5:17 lmao

  • @MorgurEdits
    @MorgurEdits 2 роки тому +18

    This is good stuff, I hope you won't get squashed by UA-cam not giving revenue. :)

  • @heinrichmuller7974
    @heinrichmuller7974 2 роки тому +2

    i can remember my professor for a statistics course telling me once that "if you gather enough information you can find statistics to support whatever argument your trying to make" and i've always remembered this throughout my life whenever i look at a chart or hear someone spout off about numbers or some statistic, though i never have the heart to engage in some semantical debate about stats n numbers LoL *great video by the way, forgot to mention that*

  • @latinojackson9694
    @latinojackson9694 2 роки тому +4

    And people wonder why there's so little faith in the government...

  • @Hellamoody
    @Hellamoody 2 роки тому +2

    "The some way some use what's right, is wrong" spot on analysis!

    • @Hellamoody
      @Hellamoody 2 роки тому +1

      I'll never forget this

  • @tortus7249
    @tortus7249 2 роки тому +8

    I love how Kevin has the exact same vibe as Austin from game theory..

    • @mubarakzain6041
      @mubarakzain6041 2 роки тому +1

      Now that you say about it, it's kind of true.

  • @johnhill6673
    @johnhill6673 2 роки тому +1

    Remember the TV show "Numbers"? It was brought up that DNA evidence goes by percentage. Fingerprint evidence is considered irrefutable. Even partial fingerprints.

  • @cybervigilante
    @cybervigilante 2 роки тому +3

    Also, being an attorney for low-income clients made him more suspicious to the FBI. They're like that.

  • @xKrown
    @xKrown 2 роки тому +2

    whoever oversaw that case shouldve been thrown in jail and every penny they made should have been given to mayfield

  • @kara5593
    @kara5593 2 роки тому +6

    Spanish teacher: Jimmy where's your homework?
    Jimmy: The FBI took it
    Spanish teacher: ...
    Spanish teacher: Jimmy see me after class
    Jimmy: :(

    • @nadavgvili9684
      @nadavgvili9684 2 роки тому +1

      Ifbit happens again she will call his father

  • @Arterexius
    @Arterexius 2 роки тому +3

    The most important sentence to remember when working on anything investigating related is: *Correlation does not equal causation* and vice versa.

    • @trustme3321
      @trustme3321 2 роки тому

      Not really vise versa. If something is the cause there will be correlation.

  • @chadd990
    @chadd990 2 роки тому +4

    4:51
    "he felt like he was being watched"
    insert clip of ominous hand pushing an additional microphone closer to him

  • @MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT
    @MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT 2 роки тому +38

    Fingerprinting isn't nearly as accurate as people act. Even with perfect prints.

    • @DetectiveWraith
      @DetectiveWraith 2 роки тому +6

      DNA is indeed much better, but much more rare. Both are circumstantial, so neither are actually proof, and it’s easy to plant fingerprints, much harder to plant DNA evidence.

    • @fossforever512
      @fossforever512 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah, this is why no single or even small plurality of evidence should be used to convict someone unless it’s extremely overwhelming

  • @Steve-mg8tc
    @Steve-mg8tc 2 роки тому +6

    “Sorry the FBI took my homework because my dad killed 192 people in Spain by exploding a train”

  • @harsesishoktar9386
    @harsesishoktar9386 2 роки тому +1

    Imagine having to tell your teacher, "The FBI ate my homework".

  • @SethArk2136
    @SethArk2136 2 роки тому +5

    Yeah, this is pretty dark.

  • @IxodesPersulcatus
    @IxodesPersulcatus 2 роки тому +2

    Sadly, modern investigation methods are still more reliable at convicting the suspect than they are at finding the culprit.

  • @tiagov.s.2693
    @tiagov.s.2693 2 роки тому +7

    Keep this series going Kevin it's Amazing !

  • @snuskieVT
    @snuskieVT 2 роки тому +1

    This reminds me heavily of when bite marks were used against an innocent man to convict him, which ended up being a "match" as well.

  • @joseville
    @joseville 2 роки тому +7

    These videos exploring logical fallacies and related high profile cases are very interesting. Another interesting one is the survivor bias and wwii planes.

  • @crescentcaribou5316
    @crescentcaribou5316 2 роки тому +2

    imagine that kid strolling into class all like "the FBI ate my homework"

  • @SmplyBoi
    @SmplyBoi 2 роки тому +38

    Me after watching the fist 20 seconds:
    *Bro… evil twin*

    • @SmplyBoi
      @SmplyBoi 2 роки тому

      @@theAstarrr then why are they twins?
      Factually incorrect

    • @marsilies
      @marsilies 2 роки тому +2

      @@SmplyBoi Identical twins will share the same DNA (there are other types of twins, like fraternal, that don't have the exact same DNA). However, fingerprints aren't encoded in one's DNA, they're just a product of the particular way our fingers developed. And since identical twins experience small differences in the womb, they have different fingerprints. The patterns will be similar though.

    • @SmplyBoi
      @SmplyBoi 2 роки тому

      @@marsilies when people like you exist, I start to think I’m the only person here without graduating Harvard university 6 times over
      It’s a *j o k e*

    • @SmplyBoi
      @SmplyBoi 2 роки тому

      @@theAstarrr I’m not
      *but ok-*

    • @SmplyBoi
      @SmplyBoi 2 роки тому +1

      @@theAstarrr true

  • @xersys
    @xersys 2 роки тому +1

    "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" this is exactly what Lavrentiy Beria was talking about. Exactly this.

  • @knucklejoe8
    @knucklejoe8 2 роки тому +6

    This makes an interesting comparison and dynamic in the science/math UA-cam space considering the biggest criticism on Veritasium's DNA video from about a month ago--at least, that was the first thing that came to my mind when watching this

  • @TheSkubna
    @TheSkubna 2 роки тому +2

    So this is a scary video that brought back some trauma. During my junior year of high school I went on an EF Tours trip to London, Paris, and Madrid. We rode this train to Madrid and exchanged places with the bomber. At our hotel we saw the news of it on nearly every channel. This was a short time after 9/11 and everyone was already on edge about all this travel.

  • @sheepy627
    @sheepy627 2 роки тому +5

    I love these crime meets science videos, they combine by 2 favorite genres.

  • @Skippy0330
    @Skippy0330 2 роки тому +1

    "Follow the science" because science is never used maliciously

  • @TimFuzail
    @TimFuzail Рік тому +3

    “It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”
    ― Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

  • @chillsahoy2640
    @chillsahoy2640 2 роки тому +1

    I was living in Spain at the time. I was only a child, so I didn't understand the full depth of it, but I certainly remember 11M being all over the news.

  • @SawtoothWaves
    @SawtoothWaves 2 роки тому +17

    love videos like this!!

  • @Lord_Volkner
    @Lord_Volkner 5 місяців тому +2

    How many FBI agents does it take to solve a crime?
    However many of them it took to plan the crime.

  • @ItsGroundhogDay
    @ItsGroundhogDay 2 роки тому +3

    FBI framing someone? They seem so nice.

  • @rafnael8807
    @rafnael8807 2 роки тому

    "Don't compare what you know to something that had happened, correlation does not mean causation." I guess now I know this means.

  • @TitanTubs
    @TitanTubs 2 роки тому +5

    If the FBI did it, don't the rest of the police departments do it?

    • @skittybug6937
      @skittybug6937 2 роки тому +1

      Yes. All the time.
      It's one of the main sources of appeal victories. And the fact that appeals are won so frequently due to errors like this makes you wonder just how many innocents are incarcerated.

    • @TitanTubs
      @TitanTubs 2 роки тому +1

      @@skittybug6937 couldn't agree more.. I read the book, anatomy of Innocence. making the innocent fit the crime from the prejudice and pressure to solve the crime. I saw great video about Ryan waller case from @This is Monsters

  • @tschichpich
    @tschichpich 2 роки тому +2

    A lawyer defending someone accused of a crime?
    Throw that person in the dungeon. That doesn't sound right.

    • @shariamayfield5870
      @shariamayfield5870 2 роки тому

      Because it's not. That was my dad and I'm now a lawyer following in his footsteps. We have the freedom of association and to imply guilt by association would chill the most fundamental aspects of our democracy guaranteeing due process/representation of all criminal defendants. Can you imagine surveilling criminal defense attorneys for doing a constitutionally-mandated activity? Sigh.

    • @aqilshamil9633
      @aqilshamil9633 2 роки тому

      @@shariamayfield5870 keep up the good work

  • @Abell_lledA
    @Abell_lledA 2 роки тому +9

    One is caught up playing the impassioned protagonist in one's Subjective Narrative of Self🎈

    • @cornlips7247
      @cornlips7247 2 роки тому +1

      What a pretentious way to state the obvious.

  • @Flapalapagus
    @Flapalapagus 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for informing me about Mine. It’s great to know that all the shady sites I joined when I was young can no longer have access to my things.

  • @ItsSchwifty
    @ItsSchwifty 2 роки тому +3

    WHY DONT YOU HAVE UR HOMEWORK??
    The government seized it.

  • @estranhokonsta
    @estranhokonsta 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent video. Oh so important questions. More and more actual and vital concerns.
    Thanks.

  • @SP4NKH4RD
    @SP4NKH4RD 2 роки тому +3

    This guy was my neighbor. He's originally from Kansas.

  • @realGBx64
    @realGBx64 2 роки тому +1

    This is why you never talk to the police. Because anything you say, they will find a way to use it against you.

  • @mmuller199
    @mmuller199 2 роки тому +3

    I signed up to be a census taker, so I had to give the government my fingerprints, but the job never worked out due to the pandemic. Is there a way I can get them to throw out my prints?

  • @Grandassets
    @Grandassets 2 роки тому +1

    and the FBI showed up and told him "Lets Go Brandon" LOL

  • @RealCosmosry
    @RealCosmosry 2 роки тому +6

    Loving these new videos that relate maths to real world. ♥
    More of these please!

  • @JakeLikesTech
    @JakeLikesTech 2 роки тому +1

    Screw "My dog ate my homework" we need to start saying "The FBI stole my homework."

  • @gdemrakul2824
    @gdemrakul2824 2 роки тому +3

    I'm from Madrid myself.
    Nice video, let's just hope youtube doesn't demonetize this one

  • @heartsbreaktwice872
    @heartsbreaktwice872 2 роки тому

    When Kevin said his son's spanish homework a very dramatic ad started playing and im like
    "This the only time u played it at the perfect moment, yt ads"