HelloFresh is anti-union and has other controversies. The "16 free meals" is actually just small discounts over many months so they can keep you reeled in, and they don't disclose that they make it hard to cancel.
@@anti_MATT_er Also, you must be seriously lazy to have delivered at home the exact same stuff that you can find in a local supermarket and pay them more. Seriously, are you unable to buy groceries and cook something by yourself? (Without considering the amount of plastic garbage and gas emissions from the delivery)
24 y/o cancer patient here... Throughout my treatment I've been told by many that I am "Handling this better than we expected" to which I've usually replied "I'm already suffering physically, why should I suffer mentally too?". I truly believe this mindset has been helping me deal with the real pain. I told myself I didn't mind the suffering I experience now if it means I will suffer less in the future, or stay alive for that matter.
My dad spent his entire life treating people with CRPS (chronic pain). He theorized that people felt pain differently and before he passed away was in the preliminary stages of designing studies. His work was greatly influential and helped alleviate the suffering of tens of thousands of people. It’s my hope that we as a society take pain more seriously and stop calling people delusional or saying “they’re exaggerating”. Pain is a seriously debilitating disease is many that can hinder their ability to work, or in severe cases their ability to go on with life. Great video, sending love!
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@@jefffaircloth8603I'm glad you said this. I was going to need to go do some research to show that this phrase had existed longer than any show or anyone alive today
Crazy that the brain can literally know the best option in the situation is to cut off your own hand and so it can completely ignore the signals being sent to it by the nervous system in the hand telling it it’s painful because it knows you have to do what you’re doing. That’s so wild to me. I just can’t imagine cutting off your own hand with anything, but especially just a pocket knife, and it not hurting at all
In a life or death situation, your body stops listening to pain. You can push muscles so hard that they can break your own bones and you can push your brain to go faster in a way that would kill you if sustained. Whatever it takes to survive.
@@piraterubberduck6056 It's odd to think about how our brain operates our body. Like sure...an argument could be made that what makes each person themselves, is their brain. Their memories, emotions, personality, etc. But at the same time the brain decides on what to do or not without our active input. Like it's not actually a direct part of us, but more like a separate control unit autonomously governing basic bodily function.
@@Sanquinity Yea, I find conciousness to be widely interesting. Exactly like you're saying, it's like a separate module. I was typing my response and my head itched, I scratched it while still thinking and realized my body took care of an issue subconsciously just like most things... subconsciously. Yet I can think about what my subconscious just did
I completely agree, pain is obviously a complex process. I've had chronic pain for nearly a decade after a "limb sparing" cancer surgery. I had never drunk alcohol or done drugs before and I was "stubborn"for a long time. The pain grew and so did my misery. I realized I wasn't happy with the way my life had turned. The pain was holding me back and making me afraid to do anything. So I found a good pain management clinic and started some medication. My goal isn't to remove all my pain, it's just to make life tolerable. And you know what? It is now. This is just my own personal experience, I just wanted to say that for at least one man, using the science we have today to treat pain has made a positive impact in my life. It's not perfect but it's better than the alternative for me. YMMV.
@rafamadrigal12 Sorry for such a late reply, I must have cleared the notification on accident. Gabapentin and oxycontin work best for me. Well, tordal actually works best for me, but I enjoy having kidneys, so I can only have that in very limited amounts. That said, everyone's chemistry is a little different, so everyone needs to find what's best for them.
I was admitted to the hospital earlier this year with a bowel obstruction due to strictures from my Crohn's Disease. It was the most pain I've ever had in my life, and I honestly felt like I was at death's doorstep. I was in so much pain I couldn't even properly talk with the doctors at the ER. I had to slowly squeak out my words. I wasn't able to speak a full sentence until I got some pain relief because my entire body was just shutting down. There's definitely some sensations of pain that you can't ignore no matter how much you don't think about it. I was very close to needing an emergency bowel resection, but thankfully the NG tube they put in me worked its magic, and I was able to schedule a bowel resection for a few weeks later.
@Krypto, They also never actually answer the question. At least not directly. They simply give you facts and philosophy and let you ponder the possibilities. U think that's what makes it great.😉
Its a very interesting subject for sure. Like how the stinging of a paper cut seems to hurt more than a deeper cut with a stanley blade. I remember a good friend of mine telling me the story of a hypnotist he was friends with, who one day was hit by a semi-truck, which obviously broke many bones in his body and had him rushed to hospital. He remembered visiting him in the hospital and the doctors said it would be at least a year before he would be out and able to function again (though likely be in a wheel chair etc). 2 weeks later he saw the guy walking down the street and said how is this even possible? He replied "The mind is a very powerful tool and when you are laid in a hospital bed, there isnt really much you can do, so I channelled all of my energy into thinking myself better" That isnt to say that pain isnt real and it must really take a certain kind of person to be able to achieve a feat of this calliber, but it does go to show just how big of a role the mind does infact play in this subject. I know this first hand from my own experiences, as flourescent lights will give me the most herrendous virtigo and migraines that can only be alleviated by sleep. If ever I do any work in a property, I will always check to make sure there are non and will replace any with LEDs. If I look directly into a compact flourescent light, they are the worst and basically Im done for the day, but I have often wondered.... is it maybe all just in my mind? The answer to that question is both yes and no! I was on one job, the customer met me at the property and was there before me, he had turned on all the lights but looking around they all appeared to be LED or halogen, so I thought nothing of it, but at the day was progressing, I became slower and slower, tripping over my feet, migraine, dizzy, feeling sick, but I pushed through. The next day, I was back to my usual self and it wasnt until the end of the day when I was finishing up and it had gotten dark outside that I needed to turn the lights on, and when doing so, I noticed that 1 of the three bulbs in the entrance light fitting had a delay before it illuminated, so I got on my step and sure enough, it was a flourescent light. I was fully under the impression that there was no flourescent lights in the property and couldnt explain why I had such bad vertigo and migraine that first day, but discovering that there was confirmed to me that it wasnt just in my mind and that these bulbs do have an effect on me. Conversely however, I have been to some properties where I have turned on a light and there has been a delay in illumination, that I have thought, it must be a flourescent light, but some LEDs can have a short delay, however, my mind has already jumped to the conclusion that it is flourescent and it will trigger a migraine, even after I have checked it and seen that it is infact an LED, that initial overwhealming thought of dread and fear that you are done for the day just punches you in the gut like a sledge hammer and its difficult to come back from that once that spike of emotion has already triggered a signal of fear that something is going to happen, it happens. There are even properties that I go to where I know there are flourescent lights or ones I know are likely candidates to have them, I will work up a fear of being subjected to them long before I get there and that fear in itself can absolutely trigger pain before pain is even able to occur. Yet if you get an insect bite and you dont physically see the insect bite you or see the bite mark, but you start to feel pain as it rubs against your clothes or begins to itch, that cant be caused by a mental stimuli or fear before hand, because you didnt even know it was there until you started to feel the pain. But then if you start talking about ants, your mind plays tricks on you and your imagination starts to "feel" them crawling on your skin. So yes, pain is very real and different for everyone, its not as clear cut as being a physical pain or "all just in their head", but various different combination and degree's of both and clearly a very complex biological evolution and topic of debate.
My Dr sed iv never seen out like it and rote a report saying he deals with the pain his own way and seem to wort iv still got it . I'm a thicko and laff at myself thinking I shunt be doing this wen pain went I mist it.
When I was little, whenever I was in pain because I fell or something, I would always ask myself this: “Why do I need to hate this feeling? What about pain makes me hate it?” And for some reason it works. I find myself not minding the pain anymore. This also works when im cold. I dont feel that cold anymore after I ask myself that.
I asked me the same question while having many ulcerative colitis flares for years, didn't work though. I'm relieved that I am healed from this for good with changes in nutrition. It wasn't easy but now I feel damaged mentally, trying to fix that.
Until it doesn't, which is equally as concerning. Getting to the point to where you feel akin to the lobotomized; is it there? Yes. Do I care? Not anymore. Slowly drifting flirtatiously at the edge of sanity.
I find certain pains are easier to "mind if they hurt" than others. The more temporary the pain, the less I care about it. Some pains like headaches actually effect function, which makes it hard to "ignore"
@@DarthTalon66 Second worse for me. The pain is terrible, but if I lay flat on my back and just breath I can atleast deal with the pain and sometimes fall asleep. First for me is dopesickness (Heroin withdraw), it's not even that the pain is terrble, it's more just how much is going on when you're sick and the overwhelming craving for more heroin, cause you know as soon as you shoot up more you'll feel not only better, but hgh as hell too. Horrible drug, because of wonderful it truly feels
I have had great pains, the cause was a car accident, I had broken my legs at 8 places. In the ER I got morfine and that feels good, it felt to good. When the pain killer was gone the pain came slowly back, I invented numerous new curses to swear the pain away. Later on I switched off the pain. After a few years, when another car hit me and I broke my foot it took me more then a week to go to the doctor. I noticed something, but I felt pain before, so I was not worried. I was stumbling, swearing and cursing around. Switching off pain is not good, pain is a signal that something is wrong. Pain is necessary for life. Mark my words, when computers will be introduced to pain, then suddenly self awareness will appear in automation.
I tried "not minding that it hurts" once a long time back. I hit my hand with a hammer during some construction work. There was no actual injury or broken bones but it did hurt a lot. And since I wanted to do that experiment, instead of taking care of it, I picked a guitar and tried to play. I found that even though I was set on not minding the pain, my body just did not cooperate. The pain was so intense that my hand was just not following the orders I was giving it. To me it was quite a surprise as up to that time I believed pain could be overcome by strong enough will. I believe I have higher than average tolerance to pain but what I have found is, there's no point in keeping on suffering the pain if you don't have to. When it's served its purpose, it's better to get rid of it so one can concentrate on more important things in life.
It's an interesting experiment but one that I fear was always doomed to fail as it did for you. There was no real incentive for you or your mind (a subtle distinction)...... to NOT feel the pain from the hammer. However, if the hammer was in someone else's hand and they had your hand strapped to a table and were constantly pounding on it, the incentive to rip your own hand off trying to break free from the strap would enable the survival mechanism's of your body to do so with the absence of any pain which would stop you from doing so. While pain often leads to suffering... it can also lead to a requirement for survival......... the sensation alone can't determine whether the pain is still required or not, it is only your desire to carry on living that can limit the suffering. As such, pain will always be our friend.... but thanks to our prefrontal cortex, we get to decide if we wanna see our friend that day.
I used to have an exceptionally high pain tolerance. Then life happened, depression, some substance abuse in my youth, but mostly stomach issues have made me exceptionally sensitive. The wotst part is having a history of drug use seemingly makes me untrustworthy, doctors won't give me so much as a pat on the back when I'm in pain. Eve my wife, who has never touched even weed, finds it impossible to get pain relief for her chronic issues. The over prescribing of drugs has led to the opposite, people are needlessly suffering now that doctors don't want or dare to prescribe anything.
I've been conducting these experiments all my life -- unintentionally. I'd say the most recent time was closer to now than I'd like to admit when my hand decided to play chicken with a Redbox. It hurt for a little bit but... eh. Never had it taken care of, no pain meds, no time off work, didn't really change any of my daily habits (except maybe having a pinky out when I drank something since that was the main bone affected in my hand). I'm under the belief it all comes down to both physical and mental conditioning in which I personally have 30 years experience. Or maybe I'm chemically lobotomized.
I've suffered from Complex Regional Pain Syndrome since I was 21 and the difference between what's real and what's perceived is something I've found loads of people don't understand because they lack the personal experience of it. My affected limbs have been healed physically for a very long time. There's no bone deformation, no torn tendons, no damaged nerves, yet the pain I experience persists nonetheless. To an outside observer, I look absolutely fine, but absolutely no-one knows what it feels like. I can't even remember what normal stimuli feels like anymore. Medication just leaves me with a dull ache rather than the excruciating and debilitating severity I'd otherwise be experiencing, but striking the fine balance between perception and reality must be extraordinarily difficult because as human beings, we don't know what it feels like for anyone but ourselves. At the end of the day, I've always had two options when it comes to pain; give up & die or suffer & live. I'm choosing the latter.
I have the same condition, and I'm glad you found a way to live with it. Doing physical therapy helped me a lot. It's a looooong process, but it's worth the patience.
Loved the insights and open questions - thank you. Pain is like an app that tells you to change or take action to avoid bad consequences. Turning off suffering is like removing the notifications and doing so could be to late. We should be able to turn off notifications for things that we can’t take actions for.
If i had a superpower, it would be having the ability to just casually turn off and on certain senses, like pain during some procedure, or food that tastes bad
I don't mind the feeling of pain itself, but always find that the amount of it can still be problematic and cause suffering for me. It's hard to do anything, while being in a lot of pain, due to the amount of signals being sent to the brain at once. It's like trying to study while there's a bunch of loud noises in the background. It's extra information that's being mixed with the one you actually want to process, making it difficult to distinguish between them and obtain the right one. So often i still have to sit, do nothing and wait for the pain to be gone, because i won't be able to do any mental work efficiently while there's something screaming at me the entire time.
Very true. The worst type of pain I've felt surely has to be the toothache. A couple of years ago I had one of my lower wisdom teeth moving. The problem wasn't the movement itself, but the direction - due to its unfortunate position my wisdom tooth, while trying to go up, was moving at an angle towards the mouth opening and, inevitably, it encountered the neighbouring tooth. The wisdom tooth didn't stop when it met the neighbour, it continued to move. Slowly, like a continent or a mountain, transfering the pressure to the other teeth in the line, the tooth kept on going. The whole line of the teeth was soon in great discomfort, which hurt enormously. At some points this caused me so much pain that in a way I wasn't even being a person during those periods. I couldn't watch anything, I couldn't read, I couldn't talk, I couldn't even think. I wished to learn to master the pain, as I heard many times that "it's all in the brain" (which, of course, it is), but it never worked. I had to take painkillers, which sometimes worked well, but other times, when the pain was too strong, they would work only for a short time. The best way to deal with the pain was sleep (which, by the way, I have preferred since childhood when having lots of pain). But then, again, you can't sleep all the time. Just before the toothache, I believe, I actually felt quite depressed because of what was happening in my life - with the toothache, I didn't have any of the depression left. As a brain I wasn't able to ignore the horrible feeling I was having. When the pain was finally over (basically, because the tooth, I guess, just stopped) and I was able to think again, I wondered about just how miserable the experience of pain must be, for example, for a fire burn victim with severe burn injuries. Horrible.
This, obv the problem is fakers trying to get out of work. There’s also a horrible stigma that if you LOOK “young and healthy” you are treated as such. For some reason we let obese ppl get the easy work and then expect the fitter ppl to do the hard work, when it should be the opposite.
same, I have MS and every moment of my life now is at least a 7 on the pain scale I have just gotten use to not showing others how much pain I am in and that in itself is a bit scary
@@sunbro29 don't you think that being suicidal in any case just means that you, realistically, just should be removed from the genepool since you can't seem to be living a proper life anyways? Strictly evolutionary and generally speaking, of course!
I just watched that House episode with the neighbour who had his arm blown off while grabbing a kid to save him from a landmine (fail) and the phantom limb was in excessive pain, still grabbing the kid decades later. House fixed it (after "kidnapping" him) with a box and a mirror so he saw his remaining arm as his missing arm and made him release his grip. Very emotional to watch as he finally lets go to his great tearful relief. Great TV.
17:00 I've suffered enough to know that everyone's pain is real. How we react to it is what's important. And the key to this includes managing our expectations (some people expect not to feel any pain; some believe they shouldn't ever feel any pain, so everything is an immediate crisis).
My view on it is not whether or not pain is real but what is "real" itself? I for one, while not having any damaged nerve endings, can feel pain but do not mind it and at times enjoy it almost as if pain to me is as real as a good mood -- "real" but fleeting and imaginary. And on the flip some people genuinely feel crippled when they stub their toe. The human brain is a fucky thing, mind over matter plays a big hand.
There is a transformative aspect to pain that I've experienced a few times. I was stung by a wasp around age 10, and I shrieked in pain as she flew away. My mom was near by and went over and did nothing other than hold my hand near where the wasp had stung - the feeling of receiving love and attention made my hand feel warm and cozy even though I was still aware of a burning / painful sensation.
Yes. This is why having a parent "kiss the boo-boo to make it better" actually works: love is stronger than pain, and feeling loved makes the pain not seem so big anymore.
Babyheads/brains didn't get too big too fast. It's because we are vertical and the pelvic "bowl" needs to support our guts and organs in place. So it has developed to be _juuust_ big enough ...Except when it isn't. That's one reason that our connective tissues(?) and such "relax" and get more stretchy when pregnant - so that our pelvic will "stretch" to allowe the baby to pass it. I've seen a replica of the pelvic bones and a baby head together, it's pretty much an exact fit - not a whole lot of allowance... Oh, yeah and babies heads a squishy too. Sometimes they come out looking really odd if it's been really tight coming out. They "bounce back" pretty fast.
Pain for me, is weird. For instance, I've had this pelvic floor/groin pain going on for...8 almost 9 months now. WAAAAAYYY better than it was in the beginning, but just won't go away, all the way. But then, at the same time, for some reason, whenever, and this has been this way for years and years and years for me, if I ever stub my toe on something, for a split second I can decide if I'm going to feel it or not. I mean I'll feel the impact, and maybe an ouch moment, but I can keep walking and be like, "nope" and it's just fine, or choose to feel throbbing pain for a minute or two. It's...something.
"The trick is not minding that it hurts." I have noticed this myself, too. I can ignore the pain if I'm convinced it isn't a sign that something might actually be wrong in a way that I must react to it (Irrecoverable damage to my body). Like it's not a big deal if I have to cut my skin for a good reason. Or if I learn that the body part in question doesn't need any special attention to heal properly. I'd want to test how much safe pain I'd be able to withstand, if there is some limit. However, I'm suspecting that chronic pain could be a quite different beast. Maybe I'd have to put constant mental effort to keep not minding it and that could be exhausting in the long run. I hope I'll have never to learn from experience.
As someone who fully agrees with what you said, and as someone who has experienced chronic-like pain in the past, your assumptions are quite accurate. It was only when I would forget about, failing to maintain the mental focus when the pain would increase and then it was like a reminder to increase my conscious effort of not minding it. It hurt the worst when the pain would increase in the middle of the night, when I was asleep, completely unconscious. I wouldn’t be able to consciously nullify the pain seeing as I was UNconscious, and It would wake me up and for some reason it felt like my ability to ignore the pain was nullified for a good 20 minutes at least when it would happen, and I couldn’t really do anything except bear it. It would have me in tears in those midnight bursts of pain, which is not something that happens to me with physical pain EVER. Did it actually hurt though? I could not tell you. It’s definitely a different beast but altogether still manageable. It’s just more of a pain (get it 😆).
I've struggled with self harm for about 20 years now. I've always found it interesting how I can put a razor into my arm and not feel any pain in the moment. However, when my anxiety goes sky high, I often feel pain in my arm or leg right where I cut and scratch... but it may have been weeks or months since the last time I hurt myself there. There are even times where the "pain" in my leg gets to a point that I start limping in an effort to relieve the "pain".
It brought me back to being in control of myself. Where as the other one doesn't feel as though it's by active choice. I often fall and it takes control of me, how I feel and what I can/can't do. I feel like they shouldn't even share the same name 'pain' I can't tell you, you should stop, as a fellow SHer, it would make me feel like a hypocrite. However, I do hope you can find healing within yourself, to the point where you don't even notice how long it's been since you've felt the need to SH. I can't tell you last night I did it, but I also can't promise I won't do it again. I feels it's one of those things you've got to leant to live with. I have come to realise that it is possible to live with it but not act on it.
The start of my message vanished for some reason. All I said as a fellow SHer and now a chronic pain sufferer, I feel the 2 pains are completely different. One was a means of coping in situations I had no way out or a means to change those situations I was struggling to cope through. It brought me back to being in control of myself.
I think it's also important to take into account the fact that pain can be good for us: not only does it serve as a warning for when something could be dangerous, but it also can help us to develop empathy. One problem comes from making a sort of contest out of pain. Too often there's an attitude of either "I dealt with [insert pain here] so you can deal with it too]", or "Your pain/opinion about pain doesn't matter because your painful experience isn't the same as mine"--ignoring the fact that even people with the same experiences can still have different outcomes, based on their temperament and their environment.
I would like to know more about this subject, specifically from the perspective of people who can't feel pain like people with CIPA or FAAH-OUT, or even from people who can feel pain but don't react to it, this being called Pain Asymbolia, this subject deserves a second video.
Kinda. Much like addiction research, there's a multitude of tangential interests more focused on their own agendas than coming to a better understanding (and if you look at it from the context of mass delusion, it gets really wild). Much like the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies has numerous "breakthrough" treatments for areas like alcoholism, depression, and PTSD only after nearly half a century of a ban on such research (and even now, it is politically entangled, but the results are overwhelming); the US hasn't really attempted pure research in areas of pain and addiction since the closure of the Narcotics Farm.
This gave me an inspiration and also validation of pain. I have always avoided pain relief unless it became absolute necessity. Feel like I can endure intense pain and then be struck down by a simple ear ache or a strong headache. Broke my hand, it swelled, went to work used it all day nothing intensive, keyboard worm light ish lifting using utensils for eating, had no dysfunction in it at all. Noticed on my break it was broken, got curious and was feeling around in the swollen area and felt the separation. Again no pain. When I went to get it looked at the doctors and the radiologists were baffled when I told them to just do what they needed to do because it didnt hurt. Follow up appointment before official casting or surgery if needed i was asked if I had a previous injury to the hand. Nothing i could recall but the xray showed an old fracture that i was never aware of. But as long as I can remember even as a child, holding something cold for a while like a jug of milk from a supermarket cooler will send shooting pain up my arm, and not specifically that arm, both sides experience intense pain from cold, or an ear ache will be so intense it drives me mad, but I can break my hand and continue using it like nothing happened. Pain is weird.
I know lol, my dad is the kind of person to shiver in the cold, while i just go out in my crocs. He told me that he thinks he is sensitive to cold due to suffering from it in his childhood, which could relate to the experiences on this vid
6:58 Most crucifixions didn't even use nails. The point is that you are hanging from your arms, and if you get exhausted, your scapulae push your lungs on your ribs squishing them, suffocating you. So basically you fatigue until you cannot take it anymore and die. That's why to torture prisoners, often they were given food and water, to prolong their suffering. They would die only when their muscles would give up, and not because of fatigue due to starving. And to ensure longer suffering, if the prisoner ever passed out, they would poke their bodies with their spears to make them wake up from the shock, so the day they would not react to the poke would mean their bodies were literally to their limit so they received the longest torture possible.
one of the ways I do something like going into freezing water or having a stinging wound is by telling myself that pain is just a signal so just block it. Pain is only the illusion of the mind.
Perception of pain is hugely important to the expression of pain. There are countless reports of people being shot or stabbed or run through that were so focused on something else, they didn't even realize they had been hurt. On the flipside, if you absolutely know pain is coming and can focus your attention elsewhere, you can negate a lot of the pain. It's the in between pain, the common stuff, that is brutal. If you stub your toe, for example, you know exactly what lead to the pain and even though you weren't expecting it, it's easy to connect the dots after it happened. What you do with that information after the fact (after the initial body response to let you know you screwed up and caused yourself damage) can be the difference of suffering or moving past the initial pain. The absolute killer though is chronic pain. The lasting pain from an injury or age. The seemingly inescapable pain. You're instantly going in with a disadvantage -- you are already aware there is going to be pain that doesn't stop. That's such a mental disadvantage that pain is all but inevitable. That's why placebos can be so effective. If you are taking something that you believe removes the pain, you get over the mental hurdle and are left with just the pain; not the perceived amount of pain. It's really a fascinating subject that is so individualized it will likely never be mastered. I have an extremely high pain tolerance with the exception of my eyes. I've broken bones, suffered massive cuts, endured a fractured skull, all of which hurt, obviously, but were pains I was able to accept and move on with until they healed with little or no pain killers; but I get a speck of dust in my eye and I'm blubbering like an infant. For whatever reason, I can't cope with eye discomfort without making a huge deal of it.
So I have had 4 attacks of non-alcohol non-blockage induced acute pancreatitis, which is easily one of the most painful things I’ve experienced. Interestingly, I have also had severe upper-left abdominal pain that was unrelated to this, usually with labs that have come back with elevated liver enzymes. However, more recently I have had issues with extreme acid reflux (presumably GERD which runs in my family), which pretty much felt identical. It’s quite interesting the way doctors and nurses have reacted to these incidents when I arrive at the hospital in excruciating pain. If labs come back and pancreatitis is detected, they’ll quickly administer some sort of opiate. If pancreatitis is not detected and elevated liver enzymes are, they somewhat more reluctantly administer opiates or an alternate pain medication. Acid reflux that feels just as intense with all normal labs? Obviously I am faking it and trying to get painkillers. 🤔 Often before labs come back, this latter sentiment is the default. When labs come back and something is off, there’s something of an, “oh shit it’s real pain, my bad,” attitude. Anyway, good job on this video. I hope we can find some better solutions, opiates sure aren’t it.
Actually some people have genetic disorders in which they can't feel pain and most die young because they can't tell if they are unwell or have seriously injured themselves.
@@okaydetar821 i'm saying it's not universal. You can describe pain to someone with this condition but they simply won't understand it the way you or I do.
I can’t speak for all childbirth, but my wife’s epidural was the best thing that could have possibly happened for her, me, and the baby. Without it, even she would attest that everyone would have been miserable. It was a life saver
Yeah, I learned to ignore the pain when I had to wait till it's gone. I'm just like "okay, it hurts me, but I don't care". And at the moment I say that in my mind, the pain almost releases or at least gets less intense. Then it is even easier to "don't care" and ignore. Having said that, pain is just a feeling and it doesn't have to be connected with suffering. You suffer only if you want the pain to go away. If you don't care about the pain, you don't suffer. And yeah, that is kinda budism in a nutshell.
It's like a siren that goes off automatically when something happens. It forces you to check what's going on in your body. If I can be sure it isn't caused by anything that needs my action or adaptation, I can put it to the background and not care.
Bookending this fascinating romp with fingers extinguishing a match flame and Peter O'Toole's T.E. Lawrence was magnificent. That is the very scene I had thought about when you articulated your video essay's thesis.
As a disabled US veteran, I've been dealing with chronic pain for about 15 years and when most people see me they would never know the pain I live with and outside of the few times a year when the pain brakes the damb in my mind, I'm "fine", but every day it takes it out of me and all I do is ignore it as much as I can and push forward. I'm more worried about me when I become elderly but well see how that turns out.
Pain is similar to happiness. They are not ends in and of themselves. They are not "states" to "be" in as humans. Pain and happiness are two sides of the same coin. We often talk about the "pursuit of happiness", but happiness is not a destination, it is a *transitory* state--it is the ACT of moving from one state of being to the next. You are not "being" happy, you are performing an ACTION or series of actions that GENERATE happiness in order for you to keep doing/achieving something and is the reward positive feedback mechanism for you to continue doing so, and moving away from the state of pain/suffering. This is why it is an oxymoron and impossible task of someone who states that "my goal is to achieve happiness" or "I just want to BE happy". You cannot BE happy, it is not a sustainable and infinite state or end-goal--as if Nirvana in the Buddhist sense, unless you abuse drugs that alter your brain chemistry. The pursuit of happiness is a dead-end. The goal is taking ACTIONS that elicit more transitory states of happiness between them than the opposite. Happiness are the states of mental being between point A point B point C, and is it what pushes you from one point to the next, and away from point A(pain) to point B(pain). It's hard for us to imagine happiness in the same way as pain because pain is more visceral--is is instantaneous and depending on the pain, it can kills us. Burning yourself with a fire is quick but you learn your lesson. Being "happy" for a long time is hard to tell when it will kill you, while fire is quick to let you and others know when it will kill you. Pain is not a state to be in just as happiness isn't. Pain is an immediate--or prolonged--transitory state that informs your conscious mind that you need to GET AWAY or MOVE AWAY from your current state. It is a response by your body, just as happiness is. Chemical imbalances aside in the rare cases, or pain caused involuntarily, the CONCEPT of pain is the opposite side of the same coin that happiness is on. When you begin to understand pain and happiness in this dichotomy, in this yin-yang balance of life, as mere transitory states, you realize that they are the most primal, truest, a priori emotions and mental states that push and pull on entropy. When you begin to think of PAIN and HAPPINESS as indicators and markers by your mind to inform you to take action (either to keep your trajectory or alter your course immediately), you begin to listen and learn to your own mind/spirit/soul or whatever it is you believe in, but pain and happiness do not lie to you, even if the end goal is misinformed or subject to change.
For a long time, I realized I could shut off pain depending on intensity or reduce the magnitude if it's too much to turn off. It's simply as dissociating the idea that it hurts and thinking of it as just a sensation.
2 things not mentioned in this video... 1. There are some people who have no pain receptors and they have a tendancy to injury themselves and not even know they are injured cause they don't feel anything. 2. I have the opposite problem as I can still feel pain from injuries that happened YEARS ago and have otherwise already fully healed. I'm also immune to all forms of pain killers. Doctors have tried to numb me and it didn't work, had no effect on me what so ever.
Not feeling pain is not cool. You need to go to the doctor all the time, you might have like cancer or something, you might burn your leg, not realise it, so next time you won't care if your hand is a bit to close to the oven fire... and your counsousnes won't care either... If you are riding a bike, you fall and hurt yourself, then you learn, "Oh, I shouldn't fall again, cause it hurts, I should try" Instead of thinking, "I'm okay, who cares! I'll go again!"
It's actually pretty crazy. I once had a cut on my neck (doctor said a inch deeper and my right jugular vein would have been compromised)... I didn't actually feel the pain of the cut as much until I saw the reflection of how bad it looked in a mirror. Then gradually, it hit me😅
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I’ve lost… the comrades I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?
Look at the horizon. Stare at the rising sun. Live as much as you can through pain and eliminate suffering... you can control it and it would be a waste to complain about it
I live with chronic pain. My back is so bad many doctors are shocked I can even walk still. I have NEVER had a pain medication that did more than make me not care about the pain. The pain is still there. Even morphine. TENS works for a short relief, because like mentioned, it short circuits the nerves. .. If I could find a way to only feel the pain when more damage is being created, that would be an amazing thing.
I enjoyed this vid. I have CRPS, often described as one of the most painful chronic conditions. My everyday is pain, but I can completely confirm that the ‘minding’ of it is key to surviving it and flourishing. It’s not going to get better by resting and shutting off from life. It’s actually often relieved by the addition of other “pain”… I practice powerlifting, and the muscles pain from that actually provides endorphins that reduce my awareness of the chronic nerve pain of crps. But, living in constant pain is exhausting physically and mentally, and it’s not always possible to remain bright and active. And sometimes doing pain inducing things like intentionally picking skin, extinguishing candles with fingers, etc is actually relieving… I don’t mind those incidental planned pain experiences because they reduce the feelings of chronic pain. (Boy Harsher has a song, “Pain” which explores these complexities around the experiences of chronic pain conditions)
Yes, acute pain gives control back is temporary- so much better. Minding it is fine, works for months, but it degrades your ability to mind it further.
I really like the sound of Boy Harsher but have never attributed this song with a deeper meaning like this. Now I see it, makes it much more sophisticated
I put a lot of stock into the story of the Two Arrows, a Buddhist parable. It essentially boils down to the last line of this video. Where Lawrence would say "the trick is not minding that it hurts," the Buddhist would say "Pain is inevitable,. Suffering is a choice." That phrase I've taken to heart. There's good stress and there's bad stress. Pain can be helpful and it can debilitate. If you are in a situation where you are feeling pain, perhaps you can't get out of it, but, you can choose to accept it. I know it is also not that simple, and there's a wealth of nuance to pain, but accepting that pain will happen can let you focus on withstanding it. It is awful when you are in consistent, constant pain, but choosing to focus on what you need to do to get better, focusing on a positive element in your life, or, simply paying it no mind, can help you persist, outlast, withstand. For me, this is still hard to do sometimes, but just by remembering that phrase, pain is inevitable, suffering is a choice, I find myself more able to work through it. So hopefully to anyone who reads this, it helps you too! Thanks for reading and yall take care! :]
Pain is a sensation that tells us that something is not ok and needs to change. A sensation that is entirely created by our own subconscious mind because it is very much useful The reason why it hurts, why it is so unpleasant, is to serve as a motivator to change things with varying levels of urgency depending on the situation.
Is it really though? I've heard stories of localized happiness or pleasure, mostly due to use of drugs. The trick to it is that we don't know if that "Pleasure" is indeed created by the brain, or if the brain is simply receiving such signals from the area it's coming from.
Not always. Sometimes pain can become sensitized and send pain signals without any kind of damage (nociplastic pain), the reaction does not match the stimuli. That is due to ascending pathways from nociceptors being either centrally or locally sensitized. Pain and negative emotions also use the same interneurons. Interneurons are relay stations that sends signals from the spinal cord to the brain. Pain and negative emotions travels through the spinal cord from interneurons to ascending pathways, then ending up at different places in the brain. Primary sensory cortex is one where pain signals end up, amygdala where negative emotions can end up. Therefor when you feel pain, your nervous system will also send signals to the amygdala which will trigger aroused states, fight or flight. Why pain feels so unpleasant is mostly due to the negative emotions which these ascending pathways also trigger at the same time. It goes vice versa too. Negative emotions can lead to physical pain without a direct cause for it (nociplastic pain) or being more sensitive to feel pain. Pain is part of life. There is a higher chance that nothing is wrong when you feel a bit of pain than something would be wrong. But it also depends on the classification of pain. Generalized lumbal pain for example, half the population has it. Can be very intense pain. It is a learned pain pattern and behaviour, not indication that something is ”wrong”. If you take MRI on the lumbal area of the back most people would have some kind of damage (”rust”), and most would be asymptomatic. Pain can often become very unuseful when combined with an inactive lifestyle and can cause fear of movement, change in movement pattern and behaviours which leads to more pain and chronic pain down the line. It should be respected and understood, but not feared as long as you follow obvious red flags. That is only the physiological aspect of pain. Pain is as much psychosocial as it is biological, we treat patients with pain according to the biopsychosocial model and the most important thing is to try to live as normal as possible even if you have chronic pain. Not obsess or listen to it too much and try to just accept it. In many cases that will act as pain-relieving as well. Very complex and it is not as straightforward as you seem to describe.
As a human with tattoos I can confirm that not minding it hurts is the best way to get through any pain. And many sport related injuries to bones and muscle. “You don’t mind it don’t matter” always seek the right help tho!
Doesn't help trying to sleep at 3 4 5 am etc. Acute pain isn't terribly relevant. I love a bit of acute pain, but chronic pain, man, after a few dozen months you start caring less about living more than anything else.
exactly, things like tattoos and injections don't bother me because i consented to them. meanwhile, stubbing my toe and muscle cramps (for example) are unbearable
Pain is what disabled my mom. She was a go getter, could do the work of multiple people in 1 day. Until her pain...slowly she became able to work less and less because of excruciating pain. I'm a firm believer that pain takes unnecessary energy, mental tolls, and literally hurts the economy. The return on investment in helping peoples pain would pay for itself. Welfare done correctly, pays for itself by lessening people's burdens so they can focus on work and productivity. Sure there's the odd welfare queen, but the majority of people with a well made system will take the opportunity and do great things with it.
"do the work of multiple people in 1 day", here in lies the problem I think. If multiple people means 2 thats 16 hours of work and 8 hours of rest and chores/taking care of yourself, if multiple means 3 it's no rest or anything, but 100% work and that is obviously not good for you in the long run. If it's 2 or 3 doesn't really matter I think, pain in this scenario was simply telling your mom that the body would not be able to work for multiple people and she should find a new employer that pays enough to make a living on work for a single person, and I agree with pain, if you need 2 full time jobs just to put food on the table you are doing something wrong.
Ya, but who sustains all those other people? I have been held back by my country's economy due to being poor and having to pay for stuff that feels overpriced (it could be cheaper with less goverment paywalls). Having to pay so that other people depend on it doesnt feel like a solution, the same way letting ppl alone doesnt feel like it either. Its complicated. Politics are complicated.
@@Smaggle84 well, sort of. Until no amount of rest helped..it turns out it was a nasty combination of issues. She is now in a worse state, but stabilizing. She can't do what she used to do, and has to constantly manage pain. It's a huge burden to her.
For the past decade I've been dealing with the onset of psoriatic arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis, and just talking to doctors about it gives me a mini-existential crisis every time because of the clearly subjective nature of pain. It's standard for them to ask me to rank my pain out of 10 and I just don't even know where to begin with that. It didn't take long for my rheumatologist to become certain that I just understate everything and so she incorporates that into her diagnosis now. I keep fantasising about some sort sci-fi device where I wear a futuristic cap on my head and they wear a cap on their head and now every signal that runs through my nervous system gets mapped onto theirs so they can experience it all first-hand and this clunky barrier of having to actually _describe_ how it all feels is finally eliminated.
I have a similar fantasy for a such device. Also makes you feel understood finally and not alone with the pain. Makes it much less stressful and you can accept your fate with peace
This is so interesting. Kind of like if placebo is the effect we see of some natural feature of our bodies, pain can be in some cases the initiator of that mechanism. And the approach of "not minding" it makes me think about kids running around and laughing and falling, then getting up like it's nothing continuing their fun and laughter. But when a parent get's scared from their stumble and act like it's something serious and scary the kid kind of perceives that feeling and starts crying. To some extent would seem similar tot the stories i heard about people sleepwalking falling from a tall window and not getting hurt at all and saying they were dreaming something nice.
I've had a lot of injuries since I was a kid like broken bones and burns and initially the pain was severe but after collecting myself and calming down I always noticed that there were several feelings in the pain itself. Some of which I actually liked whether it was the area feeling warm or a unique type of pulse, I would focus on the feelings and it helped through those injuries. There's nothing pleasurable about an itch that you get deep inside your cast though lol that's straight up evil
Pain is basically an electrical current from the (example) cut, to tell your brain something hurts. If you get to where you can tolerate the pain, then its no longer pain. Ignore the signal, and the pain is gone or lessened.
Really loved this ❤ thank you Kevin and all the people who worked on this video I lived through a painful past and looking back I think it made me stronger and more mature; but I think there is a limit to the pain a person has to sustain in life. Ps: I live in Anzio and I gasped when you mentioned the landing
0:00: 🔥 Pain is a complex and essential human experience that serves as a teacher and protector. 3:31: 🤔 Pain is a crucial aspect of survival and evolution in complex animals, including humans. 6:46: 💉 The history of pain relief includes the science of pain, the development of anesthesia, and the use of recreational drugs. 9:48: 🩺 Pain management and medication have evolved over time, with early methods being addictive and ineffective, and later methods causing personality changes and severing of nerves. 13:16: 😖 Pain management in the 1950s was limited to extreme methods like lobotomies, and the perception of pain was often questioned by doctors. 17:14: 😔 Pain is a complex issue that involves physical sensations, emotions, and societal questions. Recap by Tammy AI
I'm not even missing any parts but I sometimes feel weird phantom pain, mostly migraines that I perceived to be around 30cm above the actual location of my head, sometimes a pain can occupy a point in space & I can move in relation to it, I've also had pain where the base of the spine meets the pelvis that felt like a flat disc of pain a metre in diameter cutting right through me.
Personal examples of pain; 1. kidney stones, ouch 2. the severing/damage of fingers where shock kept the pain at bay until the trip to the emergency room. At the hospital I was given a shot where the pain ceased, but then the trip to x ray' this happened, the first nurse opened the doors, the second nurse reached (my hand/arm was resting on a platform at an angle in an outward manner) to catched the door... she missed and my fingers caught the door and it is a wonder I did not crawl out of the cart...! 3. A spinal growth with lots of fun pail for 2 1/2 weeks. At the emergency room the attending Doc administered intravenous morphine and before I arrived at a hospital 60 mi away, I was given more morphine. At the hospital I suffered pain for 2 1/2 wks... ...PICC line for antibiotics. I was given morphine and Fentanyl patches, 1 every 3 days. I stayed 10 1/2 wks in the hospital. A fun incident; about halfway through a nurse asked me if I was interested in the room across the hall, I said the view of the parking lot was cool and said no. The next day on my first walk of the day I stopped and read the brass plack beside the door, it read, hospice room donated by... After this comment my chronic pain has asked me to come to the pain party. I will lean back and rest now. Life is a mix of depression, pain and joy, so hang in there my friends.
He explained that there is a conundrum about whether or not it is better to feel pain. Yet, except for people who will want to abuse painkillers, he did not give any example for why it should be better to feel pain in some circumstances. About childbirth for example, why would it be a problem to relieve the pain of anybody who asks for it? I think the bigger question is "why are we afraid not to feel pain in some circumstances?". He doesn't address it, as if it was obvious, but what really are those reasons? Also, about pain during childbirth being caused by the birth canal not evolving as fast as people's heads, is it something scientifically proven or is just some theory? Because for something that can relatively often kill the mother, I think there is a pretty big reason for natural selection, and quite often, things that seem useless or negative in the body are actually useful for something else and this is the reason why they are not eliminated by mutations and natural selection.
I’ve been waking myself this question a lot recently actually. Mostly because I’ve been going through some really painful things but I think “isn’t this just my brain? Is pain even real?”
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-OI MATE WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM?!?!?
-Does Pain Actually Hurt?
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Tis Science
As a human, I can confirm that pain hurts
That's exactly what a non human would say
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Hello fellow human lifeform. I also experience the feel of pain.
Hilarious and original joke
Hello, i too feel pain just like you!
24 y/o cancer patient here... Throughout my treatment I've been told by many that I am "Handling this better than we expected" to which I've usually replied "I'm already suffering physically, why should I suffer mentally too?". I truly believe this mindset has been helping me deal with the real pain. I told myself I didn't mind the suffering I experience now if it means I will suffer less in the future, or stay alive for that matter.
i wish the best for you man F*CK CANCER
Big pharma is the worst. Stay strong brother.
I hope you get better
Stay strong brother!
Get well soon and stay strong, chief
My dad spent his entire life treating people with CRPS (chronic pain). He theorized that people felt pain differently and before he passed away was in the preliminary stages of designing studies. His work was greatly influential and helped alleviate the suffering of tens of thousands of people.
It’s my hope that we as a society take pain more seriously and stop calling people delusional or saying “they’re exaggerating”. Pain is a seriously debilitating disease is many that can hinder their ability to work, or in severe cases their ability to go on with life.
Great video, sending love!
Ima start reading his rq
Hey did other people carry on with the study? How it turned out?
He passed away before he could start the study.@@alexzhou6873
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I remember being told that "Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional".
Malcom Merlin in Arrow season 3 said this in its literality as I remember.
@@hopelessdigger My mother told me this. But she is a big movie person so maybe that's where she heard it.
It is a Buddhist saying. The whole philosophy in a nutshell is about how suffering is nothing but perspective.
@@jefffaircloth8603 Oh, well that's pretty cool!
@@jefffaircloth8603I'm glad you said this. I was going to need to go do some research to show that this phrase had existed longer than any show or anyone alive today
Crazy that the brain can literally know the best option in the situation is to cut off your own hand and so it can completely ignore the signals being sent to it by the nervous system in the hand telling it it’s painful because it knows you have to do what you’re doing. That’s so wild to me. I just can’t imagine cutting off your own hand with anything, but especially just a pocket knife, and it not hurting at all
And then that same brain will later be all "You know that hand you cut off? Yeah, it's got an itch on it. Don't bother trying to scratch it."
In a life or death situation, your body stops listening to pain. You can push muscles so hard that they can break your own bones and you can push your brain to go faster in a way that would kill you if sustained. Whatever it takes to survive.
Adrenaline is one hell of a drug.
@@piraterubberduck6056 It's odd to think about how our brain operates our body. Like sure...an argument could be made that what makes each person themselves, is their brain. Their memories, emotions, personality, etc. But at the same time the brain decides on what to do or not without our active input. Like it's not actually a direct part of us, but more like a separate control unit autonomously governing basic bodily function.
@@Sanquinity Yea, I find conciousness to be widely interesting. Exactly like you're saying, it's like a separate module. I was typing my response and my head itched, I scratched it while still thinking and realized my body took care of an issue subconsciously just like most things... subconsciously. Yet I can think about what my subconscious just did
I completely agree, pain is obviously a complex process. I've had chronic pain for nearly a decade after a "limb sparing" cancer surgery. I had never drunk alcohol or done drugs before and I was "stubborn"for a long time. The pain grew and so did my misery. I realized I wasn't happy with the way my life had turned. The pain was holding me back and making me afraid to do anything. So I found a good pain management clinic and started some medication. My goal isn't to remove all my pain, it's just to make life tolerable. And you know what? It is now. This is just my own personal experience, I just wanted to say that for at least one man, using the science we have today to treat pain has made a positive impact in my life. It's not perfect but it's better than the alternative for me. YMMV.
What kind of medication did they give
happy for you
@rafamadrigal12 Sorry for such a late reply, I must have cleared the notification on accident. Gabapentin and oxycontin work best for me. Well, tordal actually works best for me, but I enjoy having kidneys, so I can only have that in very limited amounts. That said, everyone's chemistry is a little different, so everyone needs to find what's best for them.
I was admitted to the hospital earlier this year with a bowel obstruction due to strictures from my Crohn's Disease. It was the most pain I've ever had in my life, and I honestly felt like I was at death's doorstep. I was in so much pain I couldn't even properly talk with the doctors at the ER. I had to slowly squeak out my words. I wasn't able to speak a full sentence until I got some pain relief because my entire body was just shutting down. There's definitely some sensations of pain that you can't ignore no matter how much you don't think about it. I was very close to needing an emergency bowel resection, but thankfully the NG tube they put in me worked its magic, and I was able to schedule a bowel resection for a few weeks later.
It is wild to think that not so long ago we were like: "Oh you are feeling lots of pain? Have you tried stabbing your brain yet?"
You're forgetting that it worked.
@@mandowarrior123i wouldn't call permanent brain damage as working
@@mandowarrior123 I mean, worked in the sense that burning a house down to get rid of that spider in the bathroom would probably work...
Doesn't make much more sense than taking drugs
Peace was never an option!
*REVENGE*
Love these Vsauce1 type questions, they always lead to some interesting facts you wouldn't really think of
Trying to figure out what level of pain someone must surpass before giving pain medication hurts my mind.
@@FLPhotoCatcher pain medication for you!
@Krypto, They also never actually answer the question. At least not directly. They simply give you facts and philosophy and let you ponder the possibilities. U think that's what makes it great.😉
But this is vsauce2
This was not one of his better videos
Its a very interesting subject for sure.
Like how the stinging of a paper cut seems to hurt more than a deeper cut with a stanley blade.
I remember a good friend of mine telling me the story of a hypnotist he was friends with, who one day was hit by a semi-truck, which obviously broke many bones in his body and had him rushed to hospital.
He remembered visiting him in the hospital and the doctors said it would be at least a year before he would be out and able to function again (though likely be in a wheel chair etc).
2 weeks later he saw the guy walking down the street and said how is this even possible?
He replied "The mind is a very powerful tool and when you are laid in a hospital bed, there isnt really much you can do, so I channelled all of my energy into thinking myself better"
That isnt to say that pain isnt real and it must really take a certain kind of person to be able to achieve a feat of this calliber, but it does go to show just how big of a role the mind does infact play in this subject.
I know this first hand from my own experiences, as flourescent lights will give me the most herrendous virtigo and migraines that can only be alleviated by sleep.
If ever I do any work in a property, I will always check to make sure there are non and will replace any with LEDs.
If I look directly into a compact flourescent light, they are the worst and basically Im done for the day, but I have often wondered.... is it maybe all just in my mind?
The answer to that question is both yes and no!
I was on one job, the customer met me at the property and was there before me, he had turned on all the lights but looking around they all appeared to be LED or halogen, so I thought nothing of it, but at the day was progressing, I became slower and slower, tripping over my feet, migraine, dizzy, feeling sick, but I pushed through.
The next day, I was back to my usual self and it wasnt until the end of the day when I was finishing up and it had gotten dark outside that I needed to turn the lights on, and when doing so, I noticed that 1 of the three bulbs in the entrance light fitting had a delay before it illuminated, so I got on my step and sure enough, it was a flourescent light.
I was fully under the impression that there was no flourescent lights in the property and couldnt explain why I had such bad vertigo and migraine that first day, but discovering that there was confirmed to me that it wasnt just in my mind and that these bulbs do have an effect on me.
Conversely however, I have been to some properties where I have turned on a light and there has been a delay in illumination, that I have thought, it must be a flourescent light, but some LEDs can have a short delay, however, my mind has already jumped to the conclusion that it is flourescent and it will trigger a migraine, even after I have checked it and seen that it is infact an LED, that initial overwhealming thought of dread and fear that you are done for the day just punches you in the gut like a sledge hammer and its difficult to come back from that once that spike of emotion has already triggered a signal of fear that something is going to happen, it happens.
There are even properties that I go to where I know there are flourescent lights or ones I know are likely candidates to have them, I will work up a fear of being subjected to them long before I get there and that fear in itself can absolutely trigger pain before pain is even able to occur.
Yet if you get an insect bite and you dont physically see the insect bite you or see the bite mark, but you start to feel pain as it rubs against your clothes or begins to itch, that cant be caused by a mental stimuli or fear before hand, because you didnt even know it was there until you started to feel the pain.
But then if you start talking about ants, your mind plays tricks on you and your imagination starts to "feel" them crawling on your skin.
So yes, pain is very real and different for everyone, its not as clear cut as being a physical pain or "all just in their head", but various different combination and degree's of both and clearly a very complex biological evolution and topic of debate.
this comment reads like a drug trip
My Dr sed iv never seen out like it and rote a report saying he deals with the pain his own way and seem to wort iv still got it . I'm a thicko and laff at myself thinking I shunt be doing this wen pain went I mist it.
CFLs don't bother me but linear fluoro tubes are why I missed so much of my senior year of high school
When I was little, whenever I was in pain because I fell or something, I would always ask myself this: “Why do I need to hate this feeling? What about pain makes me hate it?” And for some reason it works. I find myself not minding the pain anymore. This also works when im cold. I dont feel that cold anymore after I ask myself that.
I asked me the same question while having many ulcerative colitis flares for years, didn't work though. I'm relieved that I am healed from this for good with changes in nutrition. It wasn't easy but now I feel damaged mentally, trying to fix that.
@@fabio.1 Sorry to hear that. I’m glad you feel better physically though :) wishing you all the best!
@@soup3764 🙏 thanks 👍👍 I wish you the best!!
Fr. i figured temperature was mostly mental as a kid so i learned how to do the same thing
As a person with lots of experience, I can confirm that pain hurts badly.
@@douce409 Oh, my gods, why didn't I think of that? /s
I really wish it were that simple.
@@douce409yoo. you just solved the half of the world problem. so casually.
@@wmdkittywell what if it is?
@@wmdkitty Scoff all you like, but it works a lot better than that over the counter pain medicine crap that does absolutely nothing.
Until it doesn't, which is equally as concerning. Getting to the point to where you feel akin to the lobotomized; is it there? Yes. Do I care? Not anymore. Slowly drifting flirtatiously at the edge of sanity.
I find certain pains are easier to "mind if they hurt" than others. The more temporary the pain, the less I care about it. Some pains like headaches actually effect function, which makes it hard to "ignore"
Toothaches are the worst imo
@@DarthTalon66 You ain't wrong -- toothaches are a nightmare
@@DarthTalon66currently dealing with that 😅
@@DarthTalon66 Second worse for me. The pain is terrible, but if I lay flat on my back and just breath I can atleast deal with the pain and sometimes fall asleep. First for me is dopesickness (Heroin withdraw), it's not even that the pain is terrble, it's more just how much is going on when you're sick and the overwhelming craving for more heroin, cause you know as soon as you shoot up more you'll feel not only better, but hgh as hell too. Horrible drug, because of wonderful it truly feels
On the other hand, if you get headaches a lot, they become somewhat easier to ignore.
5:32 "pain leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering"
I was actually thinking the exact same thing while watching this. 😂
I have had great pains, the cause was a car accident, I had broken my legs at 8 places. In the ER I got morfine and that feels good, it felt to good. When the pain killer was gone the pain came slowly back, I invented numerous new curses to swear the pain away. Later on I switched off the pain. After a few years, when another car hit me and I broke my foot it took me more then a week to go to the doctor. I noticed something, but I felt pain before, so I was not worried. I was stumbling, swearing and cursing around. Switching off pain is not good, pain is a signal that something is wrong. Pain is necessary for life.
Mark my words, when computers will be introduced to pain, then suddenly self awareness will appear in automation.
I tried "not minding that it hurts" once a long time back. I hit my hand with a hammer during some construction work. There was no actual injury or broken bones but it did hurt a lot. And since I wanted to do that experiment, instead of taking care of it, I picked a guitar and tried to play. I found that even though I was set on not minding the pain, my body just did not cooperate. The pain was so intense that my hand was just not following the orders I was giving it. To me it was quite a surprise as up to that time I believed pain could be overcome by strong enough will.
I believe I have higher than average tolerance to pain but what I have found is, there's no point in keeping on suffering the pain if you don't have to. When it's served its purpose, it's better to get rid of it so one can concentrate on more important things in life.
It's an interesting experiment but one that I fear was always doomed to fail as it did for you. There was no real incentive for you or your mind (a subtle distinction)...... to NOT feel the pain from the hammer. However, if the hammer was in someone else's hand and they had your hand strapped to a table and were constantly pounding on it, the incentive to rip your own hand off trying to break free from the strap would enable the survival mechanism's of your body to do so with the absence of any pain which would stop you from doing so.
While pain often leads to suffering... it can also lead to a requirement for survival......... the sensation alone can't determine whether the pain is still required or not, it is only your desire to carry on living that can limit the suffering. As such, pain will always be our friend.... but thanks to our prefrontal cortex, we get to decide if we wanna see our friend that day.
I used to have an exceptionally high pain tolerance. Then life happened, depression, some substance abuse in my youth, but mostly stomach issues have made me exceptionally sensitive.
The wotst part is having a history of drug use seemingly makes me untrustworthy, doctors won't give me so much as a pat on the back when I'm in pain.
Eve my wife, who has never touched even weed, finds it impossible to get pain relief for her chronic issues. The over prescribing of drugs has led to the opposite, people are needlessly suffering now that doctors don't want or dare to prescribe anything.
I've been conducting these experiments all my life -- unintentionally. I'd say the most recent time was closer to now than I'd like to admit when my hand decided to play chicken with a Redbox. It hurt for a little bit but... eh. Never had it taken care of, no pain meds, no time off work, didn't really change any of my daily habits (except maybe having a pinky out when I drank something since that was the main bone affected in my hand). I'm under the belief it all comes down to both physical and mental conditioning in which I personally have 30 years experience. Or maybe I'm chemically lobotomized.
you think you can get it in just a try or 2? Practice is the key
pain is telling you to not touch the boo boo area
I've suffered from Complex Regional Pain Syndrome since I was 21 and the difference between what's real and what's perceived is something I've found loads of people don't understand because they lack the personal experience of it.
My affected limbs have been healed physically for a very long time. There's no bone deformation, no torn tendons, no damaged nerves, yet the pain I experience persists nonetheless. To an outside observer, I look absolutely fine, but absolutely no-one knows what it feels like. I can't even remember what normal stimuli feels like anymore. Medication just leaves me with a dull ache rather than the excruciating and debilitating severity I'd otherwise be experiencing, but striking the fine balance between perception and reality must be extraordinarily difficult because as human beings, we don't know what it feels like for anyone but ourselves.
At the end of the day, I've always had two options when it comes to pain; give up & die or suffer & live. I'm choosing the latter.
Badass
It's all relative 100% Have you tired Lions Mane and Niacin taken together daily? It helps regrow nerves.
@@PigeonLaughter01 he said he has no nerve damage
All of us can only understand within the limits of our perspective.
I have the same condition, and I'm glad you found a way to live with it. Doing physical therapy helped me a lot. It's a looooong process, but it's worth the patience.
Loved the insights and open questions - thank you. Pain is like an app that tells you to change or take action to avoid bad consequences. Turning off suffering is like removing the notifications and doing so could be to late. We should be able to turn off notifications for things that we can’t take actions for.
If i had a superpower, it would be having the ability to just casually turn off and on certain senses, like pain during some procedure, or food that tastes bad
I don't mind the feeling of pain itself, but always find that the amount of it can still be problematic and cause suffering for me. It's hard to do anything, while being in a lot of pain, due to the amount of signals being sent to the brain at once. It's like trying to study while there's a bunch of loud noises in the background. It's extra information that's being mixed with the one you actually want to process, making it difficult to distinguish between them and obtain the right one. So often i still have to sit, do nothing and wait for the pain to be gone, because i won't be able to do any mental work efficiently while there's something screaming at me the entire time.
Very true. The worst type of pain I've felt surely has to be the toothache.
A couple of years ago I had one of my lower wisdom teeth moving. The problem wasn't the movement itself, but the direction - due to its unfortunate position my wisdom tooth, while trying to go up, was moving at an angle towards the mouth opening and, inevitably, it encountered the neighbouring tooth. The wisdom tooth didn't stop when it met the neighbour, it continued to move.
Slowly, like a continent or a mountain, transfering the pressure to the other teeth in the line, the tooth kept on going. The whole line of the teeth was soon in great discomfort, which hurt enormously. At some points this caused me so much pain that in a way I wasn't even being a person during those periods. I couldn't watch anything, I couldn't read, I couldn't talk, I couldn't even think. I wished to learn to master the pain, as I heard many times that "it's all in the brain" (which, of course, it is), but it never worked. I had to take painkillers, which sometimes worked well, but other times, when the pain was too strong, they would work only for a short time. The best way to deal with the pain was sleep (which, by the way, I have preferred since childhood when having lots of pain). But then, again, you can't sleep all the time.
Just before the toothache, I believe, I actually felt quite depressed because of what was happening in my life - with the toothache, I didn't have any of the depression left. As a brain I wasn't able to ignore the horrible feeling I was having.
When the pain was finally over (basically, because the tooth, I guess, just stopped) and I was able to think again, I wondered about just how miserable the experience of pain must be, for example, for a fire burn victim with severe burn injuries. Horrible.
This, obv the problem is fakers trying to get out of work.
There’s also a horrible stigma that if you LOOK “young and healthy” you are treated as such. For some reason we let obese ppl get the easy work and then expect the fitter ppl to do the hard work, when it should be the opposite.
You've reached monk levels of feeling your pain.
You sound like a nerd that got a paper cut and now you have to ponder/contemplate self existence, go outside fam
As someone who lives with chronic pain, I agree that pain makes no sense.
same, I have MS and every moment of my life now is at least a 7 on the pain scale I have just gotten use to not showing others how much pain I am in and that in itself is a bit scary
@@syndigriner-owens4351 right there with you. But I’ve opted more for the antisocial approach. Don’t have to fake anything w/ no one around.
If the pain causes humans to be suicidal sometimes, wasn't that an evolutionary mistake?
@@sunbro29 don't you think that being suicidal in any case just means that you, realistically, just should be removed from the genepool since you can't seem to be living a proper life anyways? Strictly evolutionary and generally speaking, of course!
@Goldy0154 don't cut yourself on that edge
I mind it, it shouldn't be there.
I just watched that House episode with the neighbour who had his arm blown off while grabbing a kid to save him from a landmine (fail) and the phantom limb was in excessive pain, still grabbing the kid decades later. House fixed it (after "kidnapping" him) with a box and a mirror so he saw his remaining arm as his missing arm and made him release his grip. Very emotional to watch as he finally lets go to his great tearful relief. Great TV.
17:00 I've suffered enough to know that everyone's pain is real. How we react to it is what's important. And the key to this includes managing our expectations (some people expect not to feel any pain; some believe they shouldn't ever feel any pain, so everything is an immediate crisis).
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My view on it is not whether or not pain is real but what is "real" itself? I for one, while not having any damaged nerve endings, can feel pain but do not mind it and at times enjoy it almost as if pain to me is as real as a good mood -- "real" but fleeting and imaginary. And on the flip some people genuinely feel crippled when they stub their toe. The human brain is a fucky thing, mind over matter plays a big hand.
There is a transformative aspect to pain that I've experienced a few times. I was stung by a wasp around age 10, and I shrieked in pain as she flew away. My mom was near by and went over and did nothing other than hold my hand near where the wasp had stung - the feeling of receiving love and attention made my hand feel warm and cozy even though I was still aware of a burning / painful sensation.
Yes. This is why having a parent "kiss the boo-boo to make it better" actually works: love is stronger than pain, and feeling loved makes the pain not seem so big anymore.
@@Havronor even just knowing that the pain is less or gone even if it isn't
Babyheads/brains didn't get too big too fast. It's because we are vertical and the pelvic "bowl" needs to support our guts and organs in place. So it has developed to be _juuust_ big enough ...Except when it isn't.
That's one reason that our connective tissues(?) and such "relax" and get more stretchy when pregnant - so that our pelvic will "stretch" to allowe the baby to pass it.
I've seen a replica of the pelvic bones and a baby head together, it's pretty much an exact fit - not a whole lot of allowance...
Oh, yeah and babies heads a squishy too. Sometimes they come out looking really odd if it's been really tight coming out. They "bounce back" pretty fast.
Pain for me, is weird. For instance, I've had this pelvic floor/groin pain going on for...8 almost 9 months now. WAAAAAYYY better than it was in the beginning, but just won't go away, all the way. But then, at the same time, for some reason, whenever, and this has been this way for years and years and years for me, if I ever stub my toe on something, for a split second I can decide if I'm going to feel it or not. I mean I'll feel the impact, and maybe an ouch moment, but I can keep walking and be like, "nope" and it's just fine, or choose to feel throbbing pain for a minute or two. It's...something.
"The trick is not minding that it hurts."
I have noticed this myself, too. I can ignore the pain if I'm convinced it isn't a sign that something might actually be wrong in a way that I must react to it (Irrecoverable damage to my body). Like it's not a big deal if I have to cut my skin for a good reason. Or if I learn that the body part in question doesn't need any special attention to heal properly. I'd want to test how much safe pain I'd be able to withstand, if there is some limit.
However, I'm suspecting that chronic pain could be a quite different beast. Maybe I'd have to put constant mental effort to keep not minding it and that could be exhausting in the long run. I hope I'll have never to learn from experience.
Well said!
Thank you for including that you can't know something you haven't experienced instead of assuming it works for everything and everyone ❤
Exactly
As someone who fully agrees with what you said, and as someone who has experienced chronic-like pain in the past, your assumptions are quite accurate. It was only when I would forget about, failing to maintain the mental focus when the pain would increase and then it was like a reminder to increase my conscious effort of not minding it. It hurt the worst when the pain would increase in the middle of the night, when I was asleep, completely unconscious. I wouldn’t be able to consciously nullify the pain seeing as I was UNconscious, and It would wake me up and for some reason it felt like my ability to ignore the pain was nullified for a good 20 minutes at least when it would happen, and I couldn’t really do anything except bear it. It would have me in tears in those midnight bursts of pain, which is not something that happens to me with physical pain EVER. Did it actually hurt though? I could not tell you. It’s definitely a different beast but altogether still manageable. It’s just more of a pain (get it 😆).
I've struggled with self harm for about 20 years now. I've always found it interesting how I can put a razor into my arm and not feel any pain in the moment. However, when my anxiety goes sky high, I often feel pain in my arm or leg right where I cut and scratch... but it may have been weeks or months since the last time I hurt myself there. There are even times where the "pain" in my leg gets to a point that I start limping in an effort to relieve the "pain".
It brought me back to being in control of myself. Where as the other one doesn't feel as though it's by active choice. I often fall and it takes control of me, how I feel and what I can/can't do.
I feel like they shouldn't even share the same name 'pain'
I can't tell you, you should stop, as a fellow SHer, it would make me feel like a hypocrite. However, I do hope you can find healing within yourself, to the point where you don't even notice how long it's been since you've felt the need to SH.
I can't tell you last night I did it, but I also can't promise I won't do it again. I feels it's one of those things you've got to leant to live with.
I have come to realise that it is possible to live with it but not act on it.
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All I said as a fellow SHer and now a chronic pain sufferer, I feel the 2 pains are completely different. One was a means of coping in situations I had no way out or a means to change those situations I was struggling to cope through. It brought me back to being in control of myself.
Sheer speculation but I wonder if a raise in blood pressure in some way plays a part into it?
hope youre doing better ❤
I think it's also important to take into account the fact that pain can be good for us: not only does it serve as a warning for when something could be dangerous, but it also can help us to develop empathy.
One problem comes from making a sort of contest out of pain. Too often there's an attitude of either "I dealt with [insert pain here] so you can deal with it too]", or "Your pain/opinion about pain doesn't matter because your painful experience isn't the same as mine"--ignoring the fact that even people with the same experiences can still have different outcomes, based on their temperament and their environment.
I would like to know more about this subject, specifically from the perspective of people who can't feel pain like people with CIPA or FAAH-OUT, or even from people who can feel pain but don't react to it, this being called Pain Asymbolia, this subject deserves a second video.
To sum it all up, we as a species have still not come to a good understanding of pain like all other things in our life...
We don't even know how anesthesia works! That's not worrying at all 🙃
Kinda.
Much like addiction research, there's a multitude of tangential interests more focused on their own agendas than coming to a better understanding (and if you look at it from the context of mass delusion, it gets really wild).
Much like the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies has numerous "breakthrough" treatments for areas like alcoholism, depression, and PTSD only after nearly half a century of a ban on such research (and even now, it is politically entangled, but the results are overwhelming); the US hasn't really attempted pure research in areas of pain and addiction since the closure of the Narcotics Farm.
To which degree we should tolerate pain is a question that goes way beyond just pain.
we should not a5 all, thats just cruep especially forcing this belief upon others
@@maya_void3923 Not denying there is a moral conundrum here. It's part of what makes this question deep.
@@KhanumX You sound like you did not watch the video.
This gave me an inspiration and also validation of pain. I have always avoided pain relief unless it became absolute necessity. Feel like I can endure intense pain and then be struck down by a simple ear ache or a strong headache. Broke my hand, it swelled, went to work used it all day nothing intensive, keyboard worm light ish lifting using utensils for eating, had no dysfunction in it at all. Noticed on my break it was broken, got curious and was feeling around in the swollen area and felt the separation. Again no pain. When I went to get it looked at the doctors and the radiologists were baffled when I told them to just do what they needed to do because it didnt hurt. Follow up appointment before official casting or surgery if needed i was asked if I had a previous injury to the hand. Nothing i could recall but the xray showed an old fracture that i was never aware of. But as long as I can remember even as a child, holding something cold for a while like a jug of milk from a supermarket cooler will send shooting pain up my arm, and not specifically that arm, both sides experience intense pain from cold, or an ear ache will be so intense it drives me mad, but I can break my hand and continue using it like nothing happened. Pain is weird.
Such a good program, thank you!
I find it similar to how some people the cold doesn't really bother (me) vs others who will instantly start shivering and being in pain.
I know lol, my dad is the kind of person to shiver in the cold, while i just go out in my crocs. He told me that he thinks he is sensitive to cold due to suffering from it in his childhood, which could relate to the experiences on this vid
It really depends on your expectations and state.
I don't mind it too much but I get sick easily, so I have to be careful.
Don’t mind me walking in T-shirt in -20 degrees Celsius
@@B----------------------------D I don’t think cold gets you sick. It’s a myth.
6:58 Most crucifixions didn't even use nails. The point is that you are hanging from your arms, and if you get exhausted, your scapulae push your lungs on your ribs squishing them, suffocating you.
So basically you fatigue until you cannot take it anymore and die.
That's why to torture prisoners, often they were given food and water, to prolong their suffering. They would die only when their muscles would give up, and not because of fatigue due to starving. And to ensure longer suffering, if the prisoner ever passed out, they would poke their bodies with their spears to make them wake up from the shock, so the day they would not react to the poke would mean their bodies were literally to their limit so they received the longest torture possible.
one of the ways I do something like going into freezing water or having a stinging wound is by telling myself that pain is just a signal so just block it. Pain is only the illusion of the mind.
I'm pretty sure bugs feel pain as someone who has pulled their legs off as a kid and watched the writhe around
Perception of pain is hugely important to the expression of pain. There are countless reports of people being shot or stabbed or run through that were so focused on something else, they didn't even realize they had been hurt. On the flipside, if you absolutely know pain is coming and can focus your attention elsewhere, you can negate a lot of the pain. It's the in between pain, the common stuff, that is brutal. If you stub your toe, for example, you know exactly what lead to the pain and even though you weren't expecting it, it's easy to connect the dots after it happened. What you do with that information after the fact (after the initial body response to let you know you screwed up and caused yourself damage) can be the difference of suffering or moving past the initial pain.
The absolute killer though is chronic pain. The lasting pain from an injury or age. The seemingly inescapable pain. You're instantly going in with a disadvantage -- you are already aware there is going to be pain that doesn't stop. That's such a mental disadvantage that pain is all but inevitable. That's why placebos can be so effective. If you are taking something that you believe removes the pain, you get over the mental hurdle and are left with just the pain; not the perceived amount of pain.
It's really a fascinating subject that is so individualized it will likely never be mastered. I have an extremely high pain tolerance with the exception of my eyes. I've broken bones, suffered massive cuts, endured a fractured skull, all of which hurt, obviously, but were pains I was able to accept and move on with until they healed with little or no pain killers; but I get a speck of dust in my eye and I'm blubbering like an infant. For whatever reason, I can't cope with eye discomfort without making a huge deal of it.
It's prob adrenaline moreso than it is focus.
So I have had 4 attacks of non-alcohol non-blockage induced acute pancreatitis, which is easily one of the most painful things I’ve experienced. Interestingly, I have also had severe upper-left abdominal pain that was unrelated to this, usually with labs that have come back with elevated liver enzymes. However, more recently I have had issues with extreme acid reflux (presumably GERD which runs in my family), which pretty much felt identical. It’s quite interesting the way doctors and nurses have reacted to these incidents when I arrive at the hospital in excruciating pain. If labs come back and pancreatitis is detected, they’ll quickly administer some sort of opiate. If pancreatitis is not detected and elevated liver enzymes are, they somewhat more reluctantly administer opiates or an alternate pain medication. Acid reflux that feels just as intense with all normal labs? Obviously I am faking it and trying to get painkillers. 🤔 Often before labs come back, this latter sentiment is the default. When labs come back and something is off, there’s something of an, “oh shit it’s real pain, my bad,” attitude.
Anyway, good job on this video. I hope we can find some better solutions, opiates sure aren’t it.
This presume we're being duped by an addict attitude is far too common among doctors, probably encouraged by fear of lawyers.
Not only does pain hurt, it is one of the few things we can really say without philosophy coming to doubt it
Actually some people have genetic disorders in which they can't feel pain and most die young because they can't tell if they are unwell or have seriously injured themselves.
@@jprec5174 Someone not feeling pain doesn't contradict that pain hurts.
@@okaydetar821 i'm saying it's not universal. You can describe pain to someone with this condition but they simply won't understand it the way you or I do.
my man was fighting every instinct to touch that match.
I can’t speak for all childbirth, but my wife’s epidural was the best thing that could have possibly happened for her, me, and the baby. Without it, even she would attest that everyone would have been miserable. It was a life saver
Yeah, I learned to ignore the pain when I had to wait till it's gone. I'm just like "okay, it hurts me, but I don't care". And at the moment I say that in my mind, the pain almost releases or at least gets less intense. Then it is even easier to "don't care" and ignore.
Having said that, pain is just a feeling and it doesn't have to be connected with suffering. You suffer only if you want the pain to go away. If you don't care about the pain, you don't suffer. And yeah, that is kinda budism in a nutshell.
It's like a siren that goes off automatically when something happens. It forces you to check what's going on in your body. If I can be sure it isn't caused by anything that needs my action or adaptation, I can put it to the background and not care.
That's fine the first few months.
@mandowarrior123 its still better than nothing.
Exactly ! I do the same thing
"The cause of all suffering is desire."
Bookending this fascinating romp with fingers extinguishing a match flame and Peter O'Toole's T.E. Lawrence was magnificent. That is the very scene I had thought about when you articulated your video essay's thesis.
As a disabled US veteran, I've been dealing with chronic pain for about 15 years and when most people see me they would never know the pain I live with and outside of the few times a year when the pain brakes the damb in my mind, I'm "fine", but every day it takes it out of me and all I do is ignore it as much as I can and push forward. I'm more worried about me when I become elderly but well see how that turns out.
Pain is similar to happiness. They are not ends in and of themselves. They are not "states" to "be" in as humans. Pain and happiness are two sides of the same coin.
We often talk about the "pursuit of happiness", but happiness is not a destination, it is a *transitory* state--it is the ACT of moving from one state of being to the next. You are not "being" happy, you are performing an ACTION or series of actions that GENERATE happiness in order for you to keep doing/achieving something and is the reward positive feedback mechanism for you to continue doing so, and moving away from the state of pain/suffering.
This is why it is an oxymoron and impossible task of someone who states that "my goal is to achieve happiness" or "I just want to BE happy". You cannot BE happy, it is not a sustainable and infinite state or end-goal--as if Nirvana in the Buddhist sense, unless you abuse drugs that alter your brain chemistry. The pursuit of happiness is a dead-end. The goal is taking ACTIONS that elicit more transitory states of happiness between them than the opposite. Happiness are the states of mental being between point A point B point C, and is it what pushes you from one point to the next, and away from point A(pain) to point B(pain).
It's hard for us to imagine happiness in the same way as pain because pain is more visceral--is is instantaneous and depending on the pain, it can kills us. Burning yourself with a fire is quick but you learn your lesson. Being "happy" for a long time is hard to tell when it will kill you, while fire is quick to let you and others know when it will kill you.
Pain is not a state to be in just as happiness isn't. Pain is an immediate--or prolonged--transitory state that informs your conscious mind that you need to GET AWAY or MOVE AWAY from your current state. It is a response by your body, just as happiness is.
Chemical imbalances aside in the rare cases, or pain caused involuntarily, the CONCEPT of pain is the opposite side of the same coin that happiness is on.
When you begin to understand pain and happiness in this dichotomy, in this yin-yang balance of life, as mere transitory states, you realize that they are the most primal, truest, a priori emotions and mental states that push and pull on entropy.
When you begin to think of PAIN and HAPPINESS as indicators and markers by your mind to inform you to take action (either to keep your trajectory or alter your course immediately), you begin to listen and learn to your own mind/spirit/soul or whatever it is you believe in, but pain and happiness do not lie to you, even if the end goal is misinformed or subject to change.
You just blew my fricking mind
@@dorathehoora4527 I'm glad that those words broadened your horizons. We all benefit from imparting knowledge on one another.
For a long time, I realized I could shut off pain depending on intensity or reduce the magnitude if it's too much to turn off. It's simply as dissociating the idea that it hurts and thinking of it as just a sensation.
5:37 Thank you Yoda
The way I deal with pain is repeating in my head “pain is only temporary and you won’t remember the pain tomorrow”
I wish that were true for me.
2 things not mentioned in this video...
1. There are some people who have no pain receptors and they have a tendancy to injury themselves and not even know they are injured cause they don't feel anything.
2. I have the opposite problem as I can still feel pain from injuries that happened YEARS ago and have otherwise already fully healed. I'm also immune to all forms of pain killers. Doctors have tried to numb me and it didn't work, had no effect on me what so ever.
Not feeling pain is not cool. You need to go to the doctor all the time, you might have like cancer or something, you might burn your leg, not realise it, so next time you won't care if your hand is a bit to close to the oven fire... and your counsousnes won't care either...
If you are riding a bike, you fall and hurt yourself, then you learn, "Oh, I shouldn't fall again, cause it hurts, I should try" Instead of thinking, "I'm okay, who cares! I'll go again!"
Out of all the different types of pain I've experienced, the worst one ever was that of betrayal.
It's actually pretty crazy. I once had a cut on my neck (doctor said a inch deeper and my right jugular vein would have been compromised)... I didn't actually feel the pain of the cut as much until I saw the reflection of how bad it looked in a mirror. Then gradually, it hit me😅
you're great at making videos of questions I think about before sleeping
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I’ve lost… the comrades I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?
Look at the horizon. Stare at the rising sun. Live as much as you can through pain and eliminate suffering... you can control it and it would be a waste to complain about it
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Touch grass
Bro it's a mgs reference
people really don't get the reference
Descartes was right about many other aspects of pain. He writes about it in many of his philosophical works pertaining to the unity of body and soul
8:07 "be gentle"
I live with chronic pain. My back is so bad many doctors are shocked I can even walk still. I have NEVER had a pain medication that did more than make me not care about the pain. The pain is still there. Even morphine. TENS works for a short relief, because like mentioned, it short circuits the nerves. .. If I could find a way to only feel the pain when more damage is being created, that would be an amazing thing.
Just tried the match trick. I burnt myself and a blister is forming. It's getting quite hard not to mind about this.
RIP brennus finger
fire prometheus reference at the end gave me goosebumps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My step dad when I tell him I have depression
So theoretically if someone was 20 feet tall and they burned their foot it would take 2 seconds to feel it
I enjoyed this vid. I have CRPS, often described as one of the most painful chronic conditions. My everyday is pain, but I can completely confirm that the ‘minding’ of it is key to surviving it and flourishing. It’s not going to get better by resting and shutting off from life. It’s actually often relieved by the addition of other “pain”… I practice powerlifting, and the muscles pain from that actually provides endorphins that reduce my awareness of the chronic nerve pain of crps. But, living in constant pain is exhausting physically and mentally, and it’s not always possible to remain bright and active. And sometimes doing pain inducing things like intentionally picking skin, extinguishing candles with fingers, etc is actually relieving… I don’t mind those incidental planned pain experiences because they reduce the feelings of chronic pain. (Boy Harsher has a song, “Pain” which explores these complexities around the experiences of chronic pain conditions)
Yes, acute pain gives control back is temporary- so much better. Minding it is fine, works for months, but it degrades your ability to mind it further.
Good luck to both of you. Stay strong bros
I really like the sound of Boy Harsher but have never attributed this song with a deeper meaning like this. Now I see it, makes it much more sophisticated
I put a lot of stock into the story of the Two Arrows, a Buddhist parable. It essentially boils down to the last line of this video. Where Lawrence would say "the trick is not minding that it hurts," the Buddhist would say "Pain is inevitable,. Suffering is a choice." That phrase I've taken to heart. There's good stress and there's bad stress. Pain can be helpful and it can debilitate. If you are in a situation where you are feeling pain, perhaps you can't get out of it, but, you can choose to accept it. I know it is also not that simple, and there's a wealth of nuance to pain, but accepting that pain will happen can let you focus on withstanding it. It is awful when you are in consistent, constant pain, but choosing to focus on what you need to do to get better, focusing on a positive element in your life, or, simply paying it no mind, can help you persist, outlast, withstand. For me, this is still hard to do sometimes, but just by remembering that phrase, pain is inevitable, suffering is a choice, I find myself more able to work through it. So hopefully to anyone who reads this, it helps you too! Thanks for reading and yall take care! :]
Keep making video this long i love it !
If there's one thing we learned from Dalton in Road House it's that "pain don't hurt"
Cluster headache, chronic kidney and gallbladder stones, two dislocated upper spine vertebrae. I can confirm pain is real
This video is not about jerking off to our own painful conditions, just watch the damn thing, jesus christ
I have started to get cluster headaches and damn It hurts. How do you deal with it?
@@joshuadavis5899 my insurance provide me with 100% oxygen tank, the rest of the days it's anti depressents to stay sane
Physical? Na. But emotional, that’s a whole different conversation.
"not minding that it hurts" thats the most stoic answer ever
Pain is a sensation that tells us that something is not ok and needs to change. A sensation that is entirely created by our own subconscious mind because it is very much useful
The reason why it hurts, why it is so unpleasant, is to serve as a motivator to change things with varying levels of urgency depending on the situation.
Well worded!
Pain is your body telling you, in a way you can't ignore, that something is wrong.
Is it really though? I've heard stories of localized happiness or pleasure, mostly due to use of drugs. The trick to it is that we don't know if that "Pleasure" is indeed created by the brain, or if the brain is simply receiving such signals from the area it's coming from.
@@kintex6441 both.
Not always. Sometimes pain can become sensitized and send pain signals without any kind of damage (nociplastic pain), the reaction does not match the stimuli. That is due to ascending pathways from nociceptors being either centrally or locally sensitized.
Pain and negative emotions also use the same interneurons. Interneurons are relay stations that sends signals from the spinal cord to the brain. Pain and negative emotions travels through the spinal cord from interneurons to ascending pathways, then ending up at different places in the brain. Primary sensory cortex is one where pain signals end up, amygdala where negative emotions can end up.
Therefor when you feel pain, your nervous system will also send signals to the amygdala which will trigger aroused states, fight or flight.
Why pain feels so unpleasant is mostly due to the negative emotions which these ascending pathways also trigger at the same time.
It goes vice versa too. Negative emotions can lead to physical pain without a direct cause for it (nociplastic pain) or being more sensitive to feel pain.
Pain is part of life. There is a higher chance that nothing is wrong when you feel a bit of pain than something would be wrong. But it also depends on the classification of pain.
Generalized lumbal pain for example, half the population has it. Can be very intense pain. It is a learned pain pattern and behaviour, not indication that something is ”wrong”. If you take MRI on the lumbal area of the back most people would have some kind of damage (”rust”), and most would be asymptomatic.
Pain can often become very unuseful when combined with an inactive lifestyle and can cause fear of movement, change in movement pattern and behaviours which leads to more pain and chronic pain down the line. It should be respected and understood, but not feared as long as you follow obvious red flags.
That is only the physiological aspect of pain.
Pain is as much psychosocial as it is biological, we treat patients with pain according to the biopsychosocial model and the most important thing is to try to live as normal as possible even if you have chronic pain. Not obsess or listen to it too much and try to just accept it. In many cases that will act as pain-relieving as well.
Very complex and it is not as straightforward as you seem to describe.
As a human with tattoos I can confirm that not minding it hurts is the best way to get through any pain.
And many sport related injuries to bones and muscle. “You don’t mind it don’t matter” always seek the right help tho!
Doesn't help trying to sleep at 3 4 5 am etc. Acute pain isn't terribly relevant. I love a bit of acute pain, but chronic pain, man, after a few dozen months you start caring less about living more than anything else.
@@mandowarrior123 Cannabis helps with the sleep part.
exactly, things like tattoos and injections don't bother me because i consented to them. meanwhile, stubbing my toe and muscle cramps (for example) are unbearable
That last sentence. Wow! So true.
this video genuinely caused me to have a life changing realization about a pain I've had for years damn
Pain is what disabled my mom. She was a go getter, could do the work of multiple people in 1 day. Until her pain...slowly she became able to work less and less because of excruciating pain. I'm a firm believer that pain takes unnecessary energy, mental tolls, and literally hurts the economy. The return on investment in helping peoples pain would pay for itself. Welfare done correctly, pays for itself by lessening people's burdens so they can focus on work and productivity. Sure there's the odd welfare queen, but the majority of people with a well made system will take the opportunity and do great things with it.
"do the work of multiple people in 1 day", here in lies the problem I think. If multiple people means 2 thats 16 hours of work and 8 hours of rest and chores/taking care of yourself, if multiple means 3 it's no rest or anything, but 100% work and that is obviously not good for you in the long run. If it's 2 or 3 doesn't really matter I think, pain in this scenario was simply telling your mom that the body would not be able to work for multiple people and she should find a new employer that pays enough to make a living on work for a single person, and I agree with pain, if you need 2 full time jobs just to put food on the table you are doing something wrong.
Ya, but who sustains all those other people? I have been held back by my country's economy due to being poor and having to pay for stuff that feels overpriced (it could be cheaper with less goverment paywalls). Having to pay so that other people depend on it doesnt feel like a solution, the same way letting ppl alone doesnt feel like it either. Its complicated. Politics are complicated.
@@Smaggle84 well, sort of. Until no amount of rest helped..it turns out it was a nasty combination of issues. She is now in a worse state, but stabilizing. She can't do what she used to do, and has to constantly manage pain. It's a huge burden to her.
For the past decade I've been dealing with the onset of psoriatic arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis, and just talking to doctors about it gives me a mini-existential crisis every time because of the clearly subjective nature of pain. It's standard for them to ask me to rank my pain out of 10 and I just don't even know where to begin with that. It didn't take long for my rheumatologist to become certain that I just understate everything and so she incorporates that into her diagnosis now.
I keep fantasising about some sort sci-fi device where I wear a futuristic cap on my head and they wear a cap on their head and now every signal that runs through my nervous system gets mapped onto theirs so they can experience it all first-hand and this clunky barrier of having to actually _describe_ how it all feels is finally eliminated.
I have a similar fantasy for a such device. Also makes you feel understood finally and not alone with the pain. Makes it much less stressful and you can accept your fate with peace
This is so interesting. Kind of like if placebo is the effect we see of some natural feature of our bodies, pain can be in some cases the initiator of that mechanism.
And the approach of "not minding" it makes me think about kids running around and laughing and falling, then getting up like it's nothing continuing their fun and laughter. But when a parent get's scared from their stumble and act like it's something serious and scary the kid kind of perceives that feeling and starts crying.
To some extent would seem similar tot the stories i heard about people sleepwalking falling from a tall window and not getting hurt at all and saying they were dreaming something nice.
I've had a lot of injuries since I was a kid like broken bones and burns and initially the pain was severe but after collecting myself and calming down I always noticed that there were several feelings in the pain itself. Some of which I actually liked whether it was the area feeling warm or a unique type of pulse, I would focus on the feelings and it helped through those injuries. There's nothing pleasurable about an itch that you get deep inside your cast though lol that's straight up evil
The endings of Vsauce videos is always something absolutely magical. I don't know how you guys do it but man I'm glad I'm along for the ride.
As a rock, I can confirm pain does not hurt.
And as always, thanks for amazing content!
Pain is basically an electrical current from the (example) cut, to tell your brain something hurts. If you get to where you can tolerate the pain, then its no longer pain. Ignore the signal, and the pain is gone or lessened.
It makes me happy to see C. S. Lewis show up in a Vsauce video. He seems like someone who would've loved the channel!
Really loved this ❤ thank you Kevin and all the people who worked on this video
I lived through a painful past and looking back I think it made me stronger and more mature; but I think there is a limit to the pain a person has to sustain in life.
Ps: I live in Anzio and I gasped when you mentioned the landing
As someone who got runover by a truck, i can confirm that pain is real.
Anyone else hear the massive voice crack at 7:05
I was just about to check for that lmao glad im not the only one😂😭😭
I love these types of videos
just taking a moment to appreciate how lucky I'm to be born at this moment in human history
honestly, we need to be grateful that we can feel pain as it should. Because that feeling has protected our body from any harm or harming ourself.
Hahahah pain specifically haha try not to breath for 38 secs u will understand how grateful
@@shahfaisal-yt4drjust did for double
0:00: 🔥 Pain is a complex and essential human experience that serves as a teacher and protector.
3:31: 🤔 Pain is a crucial aspect of survival and evolution in complex animals, including humans.
6:46: 💉 The history of pain relief includes the science of pain, the development of anesthesia, and the use of recreational drugs.
9:48: 🩺 Pain management and medication have evolved over time, with early methods being addictive and ineffective, and later methods causing personality changes and severing of nerves.
13:16: 😖 Pain management in the 1950s was limited to extreme methods like lobotomies, and the perception of pain was often questioned by doctors.
17:14: 😔 Pain is a complex issue that involves physical sensations, emotions, and societal questions.
Recap by Tammy AI
The machibes are coming
I'm not even missing any parts but I sometimes feel weird phantom pain, mostly migraines that I perceived to be around 30cm above the actual location of my head, sometimes a pain can occupy a point in space & I can move in relation to it, I've also had pain where the base of the spine meets the pelvis that felt like a flat disc of pain a metre in diameter cutting right through me.
POV: Albert Einstein when he gets hurt 0:03
Personal examples of pain;
1. kidney stones, ouch
2. the severing/damage of fingers where shock kept the pain at bay until the trip to the emergency room. At the hospital I was given a shot where the pain ceased, but then the trip to x ray' this happened, the first nurse opened the doors, the second nurse reached (my hand/arm was resting on a platform at an angle in an outward manner) to catched the door... she missed and my fingers caught the door and it is a wonder I did not crawl out of the cart...!
3. A spinal growth with lots of fun pail for 2 1/2 weeks. At the emergency room the attending Doc administered intravenous morphine and before I arrived at a hospital 60 mi away, I was given more morphine. At the hospital I suffered pain for 2 1/2 wks... ...PICC line for antibiotics. I was given morphine and Fentanyl patches, 1 every 3 days. I stayed 10 1/2 wks in the hospital. A fun incident; about halfway through a nurse asked me if I was interested in the room across the hall, I said the view of the parking lot was cool and said no. The next day on my first walk of the day I stopped and read the brass plack beside the door, it read, hospice room donated by...
After this comment my chronic pain has asked me to come to the pain party. I will lean back and rest now.
Life is a mix of depression, pain and joy, so hang in there my friends.
Love this video, grabbing my matchbook right now :D
He explained that there is a conundrum about whether or not it is better to feel pain. Yet, except for people who will want to abuse painkillers, he did not give any example for why it should be better to feel pain in some circumstances. About childbirth for example, why would it be a problem to relieve the pain of anybody who asks for it? I think the bigger question is "why are we afraid not to feel pain in some circumstances?". He doesn't address it, as if it was obvious, but what really are those reasons?
Also, about pain during childbirth being caused by the birth canal not evolving as fast as people's heads, is it something scientifically proven or is just some theory? Because for something that can relatively often kill the mother, I think there is a pretty big reason for natural selection, and quite often, things that seem useless or negative in the body are actually useful for something else and this is the reason why they are not eliminated by mutations and natural selection.
I’ve been waking myself this question a lot recently actually. Mostly because I’ve been going through some really painful things but I think “isn’t this just my brain? Is pain even real?”
4:40 quagmire begs to differ
Man the documentary was amzing