HelloFresh is anti-union and has other controversies. The "16 free meals" is actually just small discounts over many months so they can keep you reeled in, and they don't disclose that they make it hard to cancel.
@@anti_MATT_er Also, you must be seriously lazy to have delivered at home the exact same stuff that you can find in a local supermarket and pay them more. Seriously, are you unable to buy groceries and cook something by yourself? (Without considering the amount of plastic garbage and gas emissions from the delivery)
24 y/o cancer patient here... Throughout my treatment I've been told by many that I am "Handling this better than we expected" to which I've usually replied "I'm already suffering physically, why should I suffer mentally too?". I truly believe this mindset has been helping me deal with the real pain. I told myself I didn't mind the suffering I experience now if it means I will suffer less in the future, or stay alive for that matter.
@@jdf585-p2gI'm glad you said this. I was going to need to go do some research to show that this phrase had existed longer than any show or anyone alive today
If i had a superpower, it would be having the ability to just casually turn off and on certain senses, like pain during some procedure, or food that tastes bad
Its a very interesting subject for sure. Like how the stinging of a paper cut seems to hurt more than a deeper cut with a stanley blade. I remember a good friend of mine telling me the story of a hypnotist he was friends with, who one day was hit by a semi-truck, which obviously broke many bones in his body and had him rushed to hospital. He remembered visiting him in the hospital and the doctors said it would be at least a year before he would be out and able to function again (though likely be in a wheel chair etc). 2 weeks later he saw the guy walking down the street and said how is this even possible? He replied "The mind is a very powerful tool and when you are laid in a hospital bed, there isnt really much you can do, so I channelled all of my energy into thinking myself better" That isnt to say that pain isnt real and it must really take a certain kind of person to be able to achieve a feat of this calliber, but it does go to show just how big of a role the mind does infact play in this subject. I know this first hand from my own experiences, as flourescent lights will give me the most herrendous virtigo and migraines that can only be alleviated by sleep. If ever I do any work in a property, I will always check to make sure there are non and will replace any with LEDs. If I look directly into a compact flourescent light, they are the worst and basically Im done for the day, but I have often wondered.... is it maybe all just in my mind? The answer to that question is both yes and no! I was on one job, the customer met me at the property and was there before me, he had turned on all the lights but looking around they all appeared to be LED or halogen, so I thought nothing of it, but at the day was progressing, I became slower and slower, tripping over my feet, migraine, dizzy, feeling sick, but I pushed through. The next day, I was back to my usual self and it wasnt until the end of the day when I was finishing up and it had gotten dark outside that I needed to turn the lights on, and when doing so, I noticed that 1 of the three bulbs in the entrance light fitting had a delay before it illuminated, so I got on my step and sure enough, it was a flourescent light. I was fully under the impression that there was no flourescent lights in the property and couldnt explain why I had such bad vertigo and migraine that first day, but discovering that there was confirmed to me that it wasnt just in my mind and that these bulbs do have an effect on me. Conversely however, I have been to some properties where I have turned on a light and there has been a delay in illumination, that I have thought, it must be a flourescent light, but some LEDs can have a short delay, however, my mind has already jumped to the conclusion that it is flourescent and it will trigger a migraine, even after I have checked it and seen that it is infact an LED, that initial overwhealming thought of dread and fear that you are done for the day just punches you in the gut like a sledge hammer and its difficult to come back from that once that spike of emotion has already triggered a signal of fear that something is going to happen, it happens. There are even properties that I go to where I know there are flourescent lights or ones I know are likely candidates to have them, I will work up a fear of being subjected to them long before I get there and that fear in itself can absolutely trigger pain before pain is even able to occur. Yet if you get an insect bite and you dont physically see the insect bite you or see the bite mark, but you start to feel pain as it rubs against your clothes or begins to itch, that cant be caused by a mental stimuli or fear before hand, because you didnt even know it was there until you started to feel the pain. But then if you start talking about ants, your mind plays tricks on you and your imagination starts to "feel" them crawling on your skin. So yes, pain is very real and different for everyone, its not as clear cut as being a physical pain or "all just in their head", but various different combination and degree's of both and clearly a very complex biological evolution and topic of debate.
My Dr sed iv never seen out like it and rote a report saying he deals with the pain his own way and seem to wort iv still got it . I'm a thicko and laff at myself thinking I shunt be doing this wen pain went I mist it.
Crazy that the brain can literally know the best option in the situation is to cut off your own hand and so it can completely ignore the signals being sent to it by the nervous system in the hand telling it it’s painful because it knows you have to do what you’re doing. That’s so wild to me. I just can’t imagine cutting off your own hand with anything, but especially just a pocket knife, and it not hurting at all
In a life or death situation, your body stops listening to pain. You can push muscles so hard that they can break your own bones and you can push your brain to go faster in a way that would kill you if sustained. Whatever it takes to survive.
@@piraterubberduck6056 It's odd to think about how our brain operates our body. Like sure...an argument could be made that what makes each person themselves, is their brain. Their memories, emotions, personality, etc. But at the same time the brain decides on what to do or not without our active input. Like it's not actually a direct part of us, but more like a separate control unit autonomously governing basic bodily function.
@@Sanquinity Yea, I find conciousness to be widely interesting. Exactly like you're saying, it's like a separate module. I was typing my response and my head itched, I scratched it while still thinking and realized my body took care of an issue subconsciously just like most things... subconsciously. Yet I can think about what my subconscious just did
I was admitted to the hospital earlier this year with a bowel obstruction due to strictures from my Crohn's Disease. It was the most pain I've ever had in my life, and I honestly felt like I was at death's doorstep. I was in so much pain I couldn't even properly talk with the doctors at the ER. I had to slowly squeak out my words. I wasn't able to speak a full sentence until I got some pain relief because my entire body was just shutting down. There's definitely some sensations of pain that you can't ignore no matter how much you don't think about it. I was very close to needing an emergency bowel resection, but thankfully the NG tube they put in me worked its magic, and I was able to schedule a bowel resection for a few weeks later.
I had constipation that landed me in the ER. I thought something was severely wrong with me because of the amount of pain I was in. They told me what it was and I was shocked at how much pain that could cause. I almost didn't believe that's all that was going on, so I can't imagine what you endured.
This gave me an inspiration and also validation of pain. I have always avoided pain relief unless it became absolute necessity. Feel like I can endure intense pain and then be struck down by a simple ear ache or a strong headache. Broke my hand, it swelled, went to work used it all day nothing intensive, keyboard worm light ish lifting using utensils for eating, had no dysfunction in it at all. Noticed on my break it was broken, got curious and was feeling around in the swollen area and felt the separation. Again no pain. When I went to get it looked at the doctors and the radiologists were baffled when I told them to just do what they needed to do because it didnt hurt. Follow up appointment before official casting or surgery if needed i was asked if I had a previous injury to the hand. Nothing i could recall but the xray showed an old fracture that i was never aware of. But as long as I can remember even as a child, holding something cold for a while like a jug of milk from a supermarket cooler will send shooting pain up my arm, and not specifically that arm, both sides experience intense pain from cold, or an ear ache will be so intense it drives me mad, but I can break my hand and continue using it like nothing happened. Pain is weird.
My dad spent his entire life treating people with CRPS (chronic pain). He theorized that people felt pain differently and before he passed away was in the preliminary stages of designing studies. His work was greatly influential and helped alleviate the suffering of tens of thousands of people. It’s my hope that we as a society take pain more seriously and stop calling people delusional or saying “they’re exaggerating”. Pain is a seriously debilitating disease is many that can hinder their ability to work, or in severe cases their ability to go on with life. Great video, sending love!
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@Krypto, They also never actually answer the question. At least not directly. They simply give you facts and philosophy and let you ponder the possibilities. U think that's what makes it great.😉
I tried "not minding that it hurts" once a long time back. I hit my hand with a hammer during some construction work. There was no actual injury or broken bones but it did hurt a lot. And since I wanted to do that experiment, instead of taking care of it, I picked a guitar and tried to play. I found that even though I was set on not minding the pain, my body just did not cooperate. The pain was so intense that my hand was just not following the orders I was giving it. To me it was quite a surprise as up to that time I believed pain could be overcome by strong enough will. I believe I have higher than average tolerance to pain but what I have found is, there's no point in keeping on suffering the pain if you don't have to. When it's served its purpose, it's better to get rid of it so one can concentrate on more important things in life.
It's an interesting experiment but one that I fear was always doomed to fail as it did for you. There was no real incentive for you or your mind (a subtle distinction)...... to NOT feel the pain from the hammer. However, if the hammer was in someone else's hand and they had your hand strapped to a table and were constantly pounding on it, the incentive to rip your own hand off trying to break free from the strap would enable the survival mechanism's of your body to do so with the absence of any pain which would stop you from doing so. While pain often leads to suffering... it can also lead to a requirement for survival......... the sensation alone can't determine whether the pain is still required or not, it is only your desire to carry on living that can limit the suffering. As such, pain will always be our friend.... but thanks to our prefrontal cortex, we get to decide if we wanna see our friend that day.
I used to have an exceptionally high pain tolerance. Then life happened, depression, some substance abuse in my youth, but mostly stomach issues have made me exceptionally sensitive. The wotst part is having a history of drug use seemingly makes me untrustworthy, doctors won't give me so much as a pat on the back when I'm in pain. Eve my wife, who has never touched even weed, finds it impossible to get pain relief for her chronic issues. The over prescribing of drugs has led to the opposite, people are needlessly suffering now that doctors don't want or dare to prescribe anything.
I've been conducting these experiments all my life -- unintentionally. I'd say the most recent time was closer to now than I'd like to admit when my hand decided to play chicken with a Redbox. It hurt for a little bit but... eh. Never had it taken care of, no pain meds, no time off work, didn't really change any of my daily habits (except maybe having a pinky out when I drank something since that was the main bone affected in my hand). I'm under the belief it all comes down to both physical and mental conditioning in which I personally have 30 years experience. Or maybe I'm chemically lobotomized.
I think it's also important to take into account the fact that pain can be good for us: not only does it serve as a warning for when something could be dangerous, but it also can help us to develop empathy. One problem comes from making a sort of contest out of pain. Too often there's an attitude of either "I dealt with [insert pain here] so you can deal with it too]", or "Your pain/opinion about pain doesn't matter because your painful experience isn't the same as mine"--ignoring the fact that even people with the same experiences can still have different outcomes, based on their temperament and their environment.
I've suffered from Complex Regional Pain Syndrome since I was 21 and the difference between what's real and what's perceived is something I've found loads of people don't understand because they lack the personal experience of it. My affected limbs have been healed physically for a very long time. There's no bone deformation, no torn tendons, no damaged nerves, yet the pain I experience persists nonetheless. To an outside observer, I look absolutely fine, but absolutely no-one knows what it feels like. I can't even remember what normal stimuli feels like anymore. Medication just leaves me with a dull ache rather than the excruciating and debilitating severity I'd otherwise be experiencing, but striking the fine balance between perception and reality must be extraordinarily difficult because as human beings, we don't know what it feels like for anyone but ourselves. At the end of the day, I've always had two options when it comes to pain; give up & die or suffer & live. I'm choosing the latter.
I have the same condition, and I'm glad you found a way to live with it. Doing physical therapy helped me a lot. It's a looooong process, but it's worth the patience.
I find certain pains are easier to "mind if they hurt" than others. The more temporary the pain, the less I care about it. Some pains like headaches actually effect function, which makes it hard to "ignore"
@@DarthTalon66 Second worse for me. The pain is terrible, but if I lay flat on my back and just breath I can atleast deal with the pain and sometimes fall asleep. First for me is dopesickness (Heroin withdraw), it's not even that the pain is terrble, it's more just how much is going on when you're sick and the overwhelming craving for more heroin, cause you know as soon as you shoot up more you'll feel not only better, but hgh as hell too. Horrible drug, because of wonderful it truly feels
Until it doesn't, which is equally as concerning. Getting to the point to where you feel akin to the lobotomized; is it there? Yes. Do I care? Not anymore. Slowly drifting flirtatiously at the edge of sanity.
Real, I used to be a guy who feels no Pain, I used to punch walls and bags until my knuckles bleed, I always chose Freezing showers in winter, crashed my bike many times and didn’t feel nothing just took off again with whole body bleeding, worked out until I pass out, like it was crazy if i think about it now, until I lost my love… Now Im depressed and cant take a pain it hurts now a lot, even just sleeping with the memories is like physical pain stomach hurts, its sometimes hard to breath, the heart beat raises crazy i can feel my chest moving when going to sleep…
17:00 I've suffered enough to know that everyone's pain is real. How we react to it is what's important. And the key to this includes managing our expectations (some people expect not to feel any pain; some believe they shouldn't ever feel any pain, so everything is an immediate crisis).
My view on it is not whether or not pain is real but what is "real" itself? I for one, while not having any damaged nerve endings, can feel pain but do not mind it and at times enjoy it almost as if pain to me is as real as a good mood -- "real" but fleeting and imaginary. And on the flip some people genuinely feel crippled when they stub their toe. The human brain is a fucky thing, mind over matter plays a big hand.
same, I have MS and every moment of my life now is at least a 7 on the pain scale I have just gotten use to not showing others how much pain I am in and that in itself is a bit scary
@@sunbro29 don't you think that being suicidal in any case just means that you, realistically, just should be removed from the genepool since you can't seem to be living a proper life anyways? Strictly evolutionary and generally speaking, of course!
"The trick is not minding that it hurts." I have noticed this myself, too. I can ignore the pain if I'm convinced it isn't a sign that something might actually be wrong in a way that I must react to it (Irrecoverable damage to my body). Like it's not a big deal if I have to cut my skin for a good reason. Or if I learn that the body part in question doesn't need any special attention to heal properly. I'd want to test how much safe pain I'd be able to withstand, if there is some limit. However, I'm suspecting that chronic pain could be a quite different beast. Maybe I'd have to put constant mental effort to keep not minding it and that could be exhausting in the long run. I hope I'll have never to learn from experience.
As someone who fully agrees with what you said, and as someone who has experienced chronic-like pain in the past, your assumptions are quite accurate. It was only when I would forget about, failing to maintain the mental focus when the pain would increase and then it was like a reminder to increase my conscious effort of not minding it. It hurt the worst when the pain would increase in the middle of the night, when I was asleep, completely unconscious. I wouldn’t be able to consciously nullify the pain seeing as I was UNconscious, and It would wake me up and for some reason it felt like my ability to ignore the pain was nullified for a good 20 minutes at least when it would happen, and I couldn’t really do anything except bear it. It would have me in tears in those midnight bursts of pain, which is not something that happens to me with physical pain EVER. Did it actually hurt though? I could not tell you. It’s definitely a different beast but altogether still manageable. It’s just more of a pain (get it 😆).
I have had great pains, the cause was a car accident, I had broken my legs at 8 places. In the ER I got morfine and that feels good, it felt to good. When the pain killer was gone the pain came slowly back, I invented numerous new curses to swear the pain away. Later on I switched off the pain. After a few years, when another car hit me and I broke my foot it took me more then a week to go to the doctor. I noticed something, but I felt pain before, so I was not worried. I was stumbling, swearing and cursing around. Switching off pain is not good, pain is a signal that something is wrong. Pain is necessary for life. Mark my words, when computers will be introduced to pain, then suddenly self awareness will appear in automation.
How do you get into 2 car crashes with just a few years inbetween? I have never bin in 1 let alone seen anyone get in one in person like the only car crashes i have seen have bin on tv or youtube videos pretty much
6:58 Most crucifixions didn't even use nails. The point is that you are hanging from your arms, and if you get exhausted, your scapulae push your lungs on your ribs squishing them, suffocating you. So basically you fatigue until you cannot take it anymore and die. That's why to torture prisoners, often they were given food and water, to prolong their suffering. They would die only when their muscles would give up, and not because of fatigue due to starving. And to ensure longer suffering, if the prisoner ever passed out, they would poke their bodies with their spears to make them wake up from the shock, so the day they would not react to the poke would mean their bodies were literally to their limit so they received the longest torture possible.
I've struggled with self harm for about 20 years now. I've always found it interesting how I can put a razor into my arm and not feel any pain in the moment. However, when my anxiety goes sky high, I often feel pain in my arm or leg right where I cut and scratch... but it may have been weeks or months since the last time I hurt myself there. There are even times where the "pain" in my leg gets to a point that I start limping in an effort to relieve the "pain".
It brought me back to being in control of myself. Where as the other one doesn't feel as though it's by active choice. I often fall and it takes control of me, how I feel and what I can/can't do. I feel like they shouldn't even share the same name 'pain' I can't tell you, you should stop, as a fellow SHer, it would make me feel like a hypocrite. However, I do hope you can find healing within yourself, to the point where you don't even notice how long it's been since you've felt the need to SH. I can't tell you last night I did it, but I also can't promise I won't do it again. I feels it's one of those things you've got to leant to live with. I have come to realise that it is possible to live with it but not act on it.
The start of my message vanished for some reason. All I said as a fellow SHer and now a chronic pain sufferer, I feel the 2 pains are completely different. One was a means of coping in situations I had no way out or a means to change those situations I was struggling to cope through. It brought me back to being in control of myself.
There is a transformative aspect to pain that I've experienced a few times. I was stung by a wasp around age 10, and I shrieked in pain as she flew away. My mom was near by and went over and did nothing other than hold my hand near where the wasp had stung - the feeling of receiving love and attention made my hand feel warm and cozy even though I was still aware of a burning / painful sensation.
Yes. This is why having a parent "kiss the boo-boo to make it better" actually works: love is stronger than pain, and feeling loved makes the pain not seem so big anymore.
Perception of pain is hugely important to the expression of pain. There are countless reports of people being shot or stabbed or run through that were so focused on something else, they didn't even realize they had been hurt. On the flipside, if you absolutely know pain is coming and can focus your attention elsewhere, you can negate a lot of the pain. It's the in between pain, the common stuff, that is brutal. If you stub your toe, for example, you know exactly what lead to the pain and even though you weren't expecting it, it's easy to connect the dots after it happened. What you do with that information after the fact (after the initial body response to let you know you screwed up and caused yourself damage) can be the difference of suffering or moving past the initial pain. The absolute killer though is chronic pain. The lasting pain from an injury or age. The seemingly inescapable pain. You're instantly going in with a disadvantage -- you are already aware there is going to be pain that doesn't stop. That's such a mental disadvantage that pain is all but inevitable. That's why placebos can be so effective. If you are taking something that you believe removes the pain, you get over the mental hurdle and are left with just the pain; not the perceived amount of pain. It's really a fascinating subject that is so individualized it will likely never be mastered. I have an extremely high pain tolerance with the exception of my eyes. I've broken bones, suffered massive cuts, endured a fractured skull, all of which hurt, obviously, but were pains I was able to accept and move on with until they healed with little or no pain killers; but I get a speck of dust in my eye and I'm blubbering like an infant. For whatever reason, I can't cope with eye discomfort without making a huge deal of it.
Pain is similar to happiness. They are not ends in and of themselves. They are not "states" to "be" in as humans. Pain and happiness are two sides of the same coin. We often talk about the "pursuit of happiness", but happiness is not a destination, it is a *transitory* state--it is the ACT of moving from one state of being to the next. You are not "being" happy, you are performing an ACTION or series of actions that GENERATE happiness in order for you to keep doing/achieving something and is the reward positive feedback mechanism for you to continue doing so, and moving away from the state of pain/suffering. This is why it is an oxymoron and impossible task of someone who states that "my goal is to achieve happiness" or "I just want to BE happy". You cannot BE happy, it is not a sustainable and infinite state or end-goal--as if Nirvana in the Buddhist sense, unless you abuse drugs that alter your brain chemistry. The pursuit of happiness is a dead-end. The goal is taking ACTIONS that elicit more transitory states of happiness between them than the opposite. Happiness are the states of mental being between point A point B point C, and is it what pushes you from one point to the next, and away from point A(pain) to point B(pain). It's hard for us to imagine happiness in the same way as pain because pain is more visceral--is is instantaneous and depending on the pain, it can kills us. Burning yourself with a fire is quick but you learn your lesson. Being "happy" for a long time is hard to tell when it will kill you, while fire is quick to let you and others know when it will kill you. Pain is not a state to be in just as happiness isn't. Pain is an immediate--or prolonged--transitory state that informs your conscious mind that you need to GET AWAY or MOVE AWAY from your current state. It is a response by your body, just as happiness is. Chemical imbalances aside in the rare cases, or pain caused involuntarily, the CONCEPT of pain is the opposite side of the same coin that happiness is on. When you begin to understand pain and happiness in this dichotomy, in this yin-yang balance of life, as mere transitory states, you realize that they are the most primal, truest, a priori emotions and mental states that push and pull on entropy. When you begin to think of PAIN and HAPPINESS as indicators and markers by your mind to inform you to take action (either to keep your trajectory or alter your course immediately), you begin to listen and learn to your own mind/spirit/soul or whatever it is you believe in, but pain and happiness do not lie to you, even if the end goal is misinformed or subject to change.
Babyheads/brains didn't get too big too fast. It's because we are vertical and the pelvic "bowl" needs to support our guts and organs in place. So it has developed to be _juuust_ big enough ...Except when it isn't. That's one reason that our connective tissues(?) and such "relax" and get more stretchy when pregnant - so that our pelvic will "stretch" to allowe the baby to pass it. I've seen a replica of the pelvic bones and a baby head together, it's pretty much an exact fit - not a whole lot of allowance... Oh, yeah and babies heads a squishy too. Sometimes they come out looking really odd if it's been really tight coming out. They "bounce back" pretty fast.
I just watched that House episode with the neighbour who had his arm blown off while grabbing a kid to save him from a landmine (fail) and the phantom limb was in excessive pain, still grabbing the kid decades later. House fixed it (after "kidnapping" him) with a box and a mirror so he saw his remaining arm as his missing arm and made him release his grip. Very emotional to watch as he finally lets go to his great tearful relief. Great TV.
I know lol, my dad is the kind of person to shiver in the cold, while i just go out in my crocs. He told me that he thinks he is sensitive to cold due to suffering from it in his childhood, which could relate to the experiences on this vid
When I was little, whenever I was in pain because I fell or something, I would always ask myself this: “Why do I need to hate this feeling? What about pain makes me hate it?” And for some reason it works. I find myself not minding the pain anymore. This also works when im cold. I dont feel that cold anymore after I ask myself that.
I asked me the same question while having many ulcerative colitis flares for years, didn't work though. I'm relieved that I am healed from this for good with changes in nutrition. It wasn't easy but now I feel damaged mentally, trying to fix that.
0:00: 🔥 Pain is a complex and essential human experience that serves as a teacher and protector. 3:31: 🤔 Pain is a crucial aspect of survival and evolution in complex animals, including humans. 6:46: 💉 The history of pain relief includes the science of pain, the development of anesthesia, and the use of recreational drugs. 9:48: 🩺 Pain management and medication have evolved over time, with early methods being addictive and ineffective, and later methods causing personality changes and severing of nerves. 13:16: 😖 Pain management in the 1950s was limited to extreme methods like lobotomies, and the perception of pain was often questioned by doctors. 17:14: 😔 Pain is a complex issue that involves physical sensations, emotions, and societal questions. Recap by Tammy AI
Absolutely people deserve to live pain free how is that even a question, i know currently its not always possible because they drugs that are available are often highly addictive but until we find ways to treat pain or we develop non addictive drugs, in situations where the underlying condition has been treated and there is still pain, there is always the option of lying to the patient by offering them painkillers that are actually sugar pills what does it matter that you lied or that its fake as long as the patient no longer feels the pain real or imagined, just dont tell them what youve done and they will be fine
Kinda. Much like addiction research, there's a multitude of tangential interests more focused on their own agendas than coming to a better understanding (and if you look at it from the context of mass delusion, it gets really wild). Much like the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies has numerous "breakthrough" treatments for areas like alcoholism, depression, and PTSD only after nearly half a century of a ban on such research (and even now, it is politically entangled, but the results are overwhelming); the US hasn't really attempted pure research in areas of pain and addiction since the closure of the Narcotics Farm.
So I have had 4 attacks of non-alcohol non-blockage induced acute pancreatitis, which is easily one of the most painful things I’ve experienced. Interestingly, I have also had severe upper-left abdominal pain that was unrelated to this, usually with labs that have come back with elevated liver enzymes. However, more recently I have had issues with extreme acid reflux (presumably GERD which runs in my family), which pretty much felt identical. It’s quite interesting the way doctors and nurses have reacted to these incidents when I arrive at the hospital in excruciating pain. If labs come back and pancreatitis is detected, they’ll quickly administer some sort of opiate. If pancreatitis is not detected and elevated liver enzymes are, they somewhat more reluctantly administer opiates or an alternate pain medication. Acid reflux that feels just as intense with all normal labs? Obviously I am faking it and trying to get painkillers. 🤔 Often before labs come back, this latter sentiment is the default. When labs come back and something is off, there’s something of an, “oh shit it’s real pain, my bad,” attitude. Anyway, good job on this video. I hope we can find some better solutions, opiates sure aren’t it.
Yeah, I learned to ignore the pain when I had to wait till it's gone. I'm just like "okay, it hurts me, but I don't care". And at the moment I say that in my mind, the pain almost releases or at least gets less intense. Then it is even easier to "don't care" and ignore. Having said that, pain is just a feeling and it doesn't have to be connected with suffering. You suffer only if you want the pain to go away. If you don't care about the pain, you don't suffer. And yeah, that is kinda budism in a nutshell.
It's like a siren that goes off automatically when something happens. It forces you to check what's going on in your body. If I can be sure it isn't caused by anything that needs my action or adaptation, I can put it to the background and not care.
I can’t speak for all childbirth, but my wife’s epidural was the best thing that could have possibly happened for her, me, and the baby. Without it, even she would attest that everyone would have been miserable. It was a life saver
I enjoyed this vid. I have CRPS, often described as one of the most painful chronic conditions. My everyday is pain, but I can completely confirm that the ‘minding’ of it is key to surviving it and flourishing. It’s not going to get better by resting and shutting off from life. It’s actually often relieved by the addition of other “pain”… I practice powerlifting, and the muscles pain from that actually provides endorphins that reduce my awareness of the chronic nerve pain of crps. But, living in constant pain is exhausting physically and mentally, and it’s not always possible to remain bright and active. And sometimes doing pain inducing things like intentionally picking skin, extinguishing candles with fingers, etc is actually relieving… I don’t mind those incidental planned pain experiences because they reduce the feelings of chronic pain. (Boy Harsher has a song, “Pain” which explores these complexities around the experiences of chronic pain conditions)
Yes, acute pain gives control back is temporary- so much better. Minding it is fine, works for months, but it degrades your ability to mind it further.
I really like the sound of Boy Harsher but have never attributed this song with a deeper meaning like this. Now I see it, makes it much more sophisticated
Loved the insights and open questions - thank you. Pain is like an app that tells you to change or take action to avoid bad consequences. Turning off suffering is like removing the notifications and doing so could be to late. We should be able to turn off notifications for things that we can’t take actions for.
I’ve had people saying that it would be easier to have a none sensational feeling of pain, like an emergency alarm. I’d say that would work now, for us already aware of pain, but in the past and for future, this just won’t work. We need that pain to learn. We need it to know what’s “painful” or harmful to our bodies.
Ya, there are conditions where people don’t feel pain and… it’s not pretty. As children they can gouge out their eyes. Bite through their tongue in a nightmare. Can’t play sports. Falls often require a hospital visit to check for damage. Iirc the life expectancy is often in the teens
He explained that there is a conundrum about whether or not it is better to feel pain. Yet, except for people who will want to abuse painkillers, he did not give any example for why it should be better to feel pain in some circumstances. About childbirth for example, why would it be a problem to relieve the pain of anybody who asks for it? I think the bigger question is "why are we afraid not to feel pain in some circumstances?". He doesn't address it, as if it was obvious, but what really are those reasons? Also, about pain during childbirth being caused by the birth canal not evolving as fast as people's heads, is it something scientifically proven or is just some theory? Because for something that can relatively often kill the mother, I think there is a pretty big reason for natural selection, and quite often, things that seem useless or negative in the body are actually useful for something else and this is the reason why they are not eliminated by mutations and natural selection.
Pain is what disabled my mom. She was a go getter, could do the work of multiple people in 1 day. Until her pain...slowly she became able to work less and less because of excruciating pain. I'm a firm believer that pain takes unnecessary energy, mental tolls, and literally hurts the economy. The return on investment in helping peoples pain would pay for itself. Welfare done correctly, pays for itself by lessening people's burdens so they can focus on work and productivity. Sure there's the odd welfare queen, but the majority of people with a well made system will take the opportunity and do great things with it.
"do the work of multiple people in 1 day", here in lies the problem I think. If multiple people means 2 thats 16 hours of work and 8 hours of rest and chores/taking care of yourself, if multiple means 3 it's no rest or anything, but 100% work and that is obviously not good for you in the long run. If it's 2 or 3 doesn't really matter I think, pain in this scenario was simply telling your mom that the body would not be able to work for multiple people and she should find a new employer that pays enough to make a living on work for a single person, and I agree with pain, if you need 2 full time jobs just to put food on the table you are doing something wrong.
Ya, but who sustains all those other people? I have been held back by my country's economy due to being poor and having to pay for stuff that feels overpriced (it could be cheaper with less goverment paywalls). Having to pay so that other people depend on it doesnt feel like a solution, the same way letting ppl alone doesnt feel like it either. Its complicated. Politics are complicated.
@@Smaggle84 well, sort of. Until no amount of rest helped..it turns out it was a nasty combination of issues. She is now in a worse state, but stabilizing. She can't do what she used to do, and has to constantly manage pain. It's a huge burden to her.
one of the ways I do something like going into freezing water or having a stinging wound is by telling myself that pain is just a signal so just block it. Pain is only the illusion of the mind.
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I’ve lost… the comrades I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?
Look at the horizon. Stare at the rising sun. Live as much as you can through pain and eliminate suffering... you can control it and it would be a waste to complain about it
2 things not mentioned in this video... 1. There are some people who have no pain receptors and they have a tendancy to injury themselves and not even know they are injured cause they don't feel anything. 2. I have the opposite problem as I can still feel pain from injuries that happened YEARS ago and have otherwise already fully healed. I'm also immune to all forms of pain killers. Doctors have tried to numb me and it didn't work, had no effect on me what so ever.
Not feeling pain is not cool. You need to go to the doctor all the time, you might have like cancer or something, you might burn your leg, not realise it, so next time you won't care if your hand is a bit to close to the oven fire... and your counsousnes won't care either... If you are riding a bike, you fall and hurt yourself, then you learn, "Oh, I shouldn't fall again, cause it hurts, I should try" Instead of thinking, "I'm okay, who cares! I'll go again!"
Other than the fact that the *intensity* of pain is tied directly to the *degree* of conscious aversion you have towards it, and thus *ridding* yourself of the *general* aversion you have towards pain can *free* your mind of it, effectively make it irrelevant, and allow you to focus on something else, I think you have to remember the pain is *tied* directly to a negative outcome. E.g. if you put a strong bulldog clip on your finger and let it sink in for a while, the pain will continuously increase due to whatever physical feedback you get from that, theoretically up to the point that the finger would be severed, after which it would throb for a while and then gradually reduce. But beyond that I think it's the *risk* of the finger being severed or else severely damaged by the force exerted by the clip that is the root of the issue and the root of the aversion, which is false from the outset because a bulldog clip cannot sever your finger and I think *recognising* that can minimise aversion, *and therefore* the pain. But I think all of that that in turn goes directly to core notions of Self, particularly the *belief* that your Self is limited to this one temporal existence so the pain you experience *must* be avoided, without which you would experience that pain as merely an *indicator* of something negative that is occurring to your temporal body that needs to be monitored and managed to maximise your Life utility, but not the *worst* thing ever as if it's going to result in the end of everything for you *forever.* Of course, this means the *ultimate* risk is the risk of death itself which I believe is the mortal fear at the root of every Self *and therefore* at the root of every aversion to pain, so if you can learn to transcend that I'm sure it will help you to transcend the pain you encounter, and then you can keep your mind *focused* on the task at hand, e.g. doing whatever you can to *maximise* your Life utility, which would include making pain totally irrelevant *where it cannot be avoided,* I think adopting a Spiritual Practice makes this far easier.
I would like to know more about this subject, specifically from the perspective of people who can't feel pain like people with CIPA or FAAH-OUT, or even from people who can feel pain but don't react to it, this being called Pain Asymbolia, this subject deserves a second video.
I live with chronic pain. My back is so bad many doctors are shocked I can even walk still. I have NEVER had a pain medication that did more than make me not care about the pain. The pain is still there. Even morphine. TENS works for a short relief, because like mentioned, it short circuits the nerves. .. If I could find a way to only feel the pain when more damage is being created, that would be an amazing thing.
For the past decade I've been dealing with the onset of psoriatic arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis, and just talking to doctors about it gives me a mini-existential crisis every time because of the clearly subjective nature of pain. It's standard for them to ask me to rank my pain out of 10 and I just don't even know where to begin with that. It didn't take long for my rheumatologist to become certain that I just understate everything and so she incorporates that into her diagnosis now. I keep fantasising about some sort sci-fi device where I wear a futuristic cap on my head and they wear a cap on their head and now every signal that runs through my nervous system gets mapped onto theirs so they can experience it all first-hand and this clunky barrier of having to actually _describe_ how it all feels is finally eliminated.
I have a similar fantasy for a such device. Also makes you feel understood finally and not alone with the pain. Makes it much less stressful and you can accept your fate with peace
Yes, humans can feel pain. Pain is a complex sensory and emotional experience associated with actual or potential tissue damage. It serves as a protective mechanism that alerts the body to potential harm and encourages behaviors to avoid or minimize injury. Here’s a brief overview of how humans experience pain: 1. Nociceptors: Specialized nerve endings called nociceptors detect harmful stimuli, such as extreme temperatures, pressure, or chemicals. 2. Signal Transmission: When nociceptors are activated, they send electrical signals through peripheral nerves to the spinal cord and then to the brain. 3. Processing in the Brain: The brain processes these signals in various regions, including the thalamus and cerebral cortex, interpreting them as pain. This involves not only recognizing the physical sensation but also the emotional and cognitive aspects of pain. 4. Response: The perception of pain triggers a response, which can include withdrawing from the source of pain, seeking relief, and emotional reactions like distress or anxiety. Pain can be acute, resulting from a specific injury and lasting a short time, or chronic, persisting for weeks, months, or even years. Chronic pain can result from conditions like arthritis, nerve damage, or other long-term health issues. Understanding and managing pain is a key area of medical research and practice, aiming to improve quality of life for those affected.
Pain for me, is weird. For instance, I've had this pelvic floor/groin pain going on for...8 almost 9 months now. WAAAAAYYY better than it was in the beginning, but just won't go away, all the way. But then, at the same time, for some reason, whenever, and this has been this way for years and years and years for me, if I ever stub my toe on something, for a split second I can decide if I'm going to feel it or not. I mean I'll feel the impact, and maybe an ouch moment, but I can keep walking and be like, "nope" and it's just fine, or choose to feel throbbing pain for a minute or two. It's...something.
Ive had pelvic pain for 9 years. First few days felt like my appendix was inflammed. I did get it removed years later. Waking up from pain to use the bathroom is normal now.
Fun fact: it seems humans are the only mammals to experience the pain of childbirth. Even other great apes, like orangutans and chimps, don’t feel pain. Or animals that have large litters like pigs don’t feel pain. It’s believed that it is because the human body’s waist is so narrow, thus the pain, because we stand upright on two legs. Even animals that sometimes stand upright only do so briefly, but humans are bipedal whenever we move around. It doesn’t have to do with making the birth faster. If so, wild animals, who have the greatest incentive to give birth very quickly, would feel pain. Yet humans, and our ancestors, have been dominating for a very long time, long before we were even proper humans. Again, even other great apes don’t feel pain. It’s because humans have narrower bodies, and because for millennia now women have been incentivized to have smaller and smaller waists
I as a 21 year old got a sciatica diagnosis and took meds for years to ignore the pain. I was an alcoholic and next thing I knew I had bpd my ex wife cheated on me then left me and I had to find my own way. What most people don’t know today is that I have sciatica still. It numbs my leg some days and I walk with a slight limp on those days. But I can do things the average person bows to pain wise when it comes to work and working out. It’s not how much pain you experience that makes you human. It is how much pain you feel, stand up and work past that makes you human.
Pain is a sensation that tells us that something is not ok and needs to change. A sensation that is entirely created by our own subconscious mind because it is very much useful The reason why it hurts, why it is so unpleasant, is to serve as a motivator to change things with varying levels of urgency depending on the situation.
Is it really though? I've heard stories of localized happiness or pleasure, mostly due to use of drugs. The trick to it is that we don't know if that "Pleasure" is indeed created by the brain, or if the brain is simply receiving such signals from the area it's coming from.
Not always. Sometimes pain can become sensitized and send pain signals without any kind of damage (nociplastic pain), the reaction does not match the stimuli. That is due to ascending pathways from nociceptors being either centrally or locally sensitized. Pain and negative emotions also use the same interneurons. Interneurons are relay stations that sends signals from the spinal cord to the brain. Pain and negative emotions travels through the spinal cord from interneurons to ascending pathways, then ending up at different places in the brain. Primary sensory cortex is one where pain signals end up, amygdala where negative emotions can end up. Therefor when you feel pain, your nervous system will also send signals to the amygdala which will trigger aroused states, fight or flight. Why pain feels so unpleasant is mostly due to the negative emotions which these ascending pathways also trigger at the same time. It goes vice versa too. Negative emotions can lead to physical pain without a direct cause for it (nociplastic pain) or being more sensitive to feel pain. Pain is part of life. There is a higher chance that nothing is wrong when you feel a bit of pain than something would be wrong. But it also depends on the classification of pain. Generalized lumbal pain for example, half the population has it. Can be very intense pain. It is a learned pain pattern and behaviour, not indication that something is ”wrong”. If you take MRI on the lumbal area of the back most people would have some kind of damage (”rust”), and most would be asymptomatic. Pain can often become very unuseful when combined with an inactive lifestyle and can cause fear of movement, change in movement pattern and behaviours which leads to more pain and chronic pain down the line. It should be respected and understood, but not feared as long as you follow obvious red flags. That is only the physiological aspect of pain. Pain is as much psychosocial as it is biological, we treat patients with pain according to the biopsychosocial model and the most important thing is to try to live as normal as possible even if you have chronic pain. Not obsess or listen to it too much and try to just accept it. In many cases that will act as pain-relieving as well. Very complex and it is not as straightforward as you seem to describe.
Bro started the video with the most dramatic movie-like explanation ever Edit: 19:16 i already knew that trick, but it wont work if the pain is too big or intense, or if you didn't expect it to come. I remember slapping my own face and not flinching
As a disabled US veteran, I've been dealing with chronic pain for about 15 years and when most people see me they would never know the pain I live with and outside of the few times a year when the pain brakes the damb in my mind, I'm "fine", but every day it takes it out of me and all I do is ignore it as much as I can and push forward. I'm more worried about me when I become elderly but well see how that turns out.
the term Malinger is more formely known as a Hypochondriac without the false pain to get away from life, it's more of a false pain to get checked for any other signs of undiscovered pain/issues in the body in short they feel the pain, but the pain is actually temporary and they just seem needy to get it checked out, my mom calls me a hypochondriac quite a lot but somehow my pains always subside and I never have to go to the doctor, it's been over nearly 4 years since I've been to one
As a human with tattoos I can confirm that not minding it hurts is the best way to get through any pain. And many sport related injuries to bones and muscle. “You don’t mind it don’t matter” always seek the right help tho!
Doesn't help trying to sleep at 3 4 5 am etc. Acute pain isn't terribly relevant. I love a bit of acute pain, but chronic pain, man, after a few dozen months you start caring less about living more than anything else.
exactly, things like tattoos and injections don't bother me because i consented to them. meanwhile, stubbing my toe and muscle cramps (for example) are unbearable
This is so true. The last bit resonates especially with me, as over the last few years I've realised that I can withstand much more pain than most people simply by not minding that it hurts. I can't just tell myself it doesn't hurt because I know it does, but I can choose not to listen to the siren of pain in my head quite easily now that I've experienced ignoring it. If I make it seem like no big deal then it is no big deal, at the end of the day it's just electrical signals going through my head, no big deal right?
i've felt strange pain related situations, my body processes most pain numbing really fast, alcohol passes by rather fast and my previous usage of curing a migraine with pain medicine just stopped when i realized i didn't really need it, as i've noticed, i've gotten much better dealing with pain due to it preparing me for whats to come, i've had multiple times where the pain medicine i got from the dentist wore off mid appointment, causing severe problems if i wasn't prepared for it, once or twice it happened but now i'm prepared for it whenever it happens, and that is somehow more comforting than if i were knocked out for the procedure
I’ve been waking myself this question a lot recently actually. Mostly because I’ve been going through some really painful things but I think “isn’t this just my brain? Is pain even real?”
Actually some people have genetic disorders in which they can't feel pain and most die young because they can't tell if they are unwell or have seriously injured themselves.
@@okaydetar821 i'm saying it's not universal. You can describe pain to someone with this condition but they simply won't understand it the way you or I do.
"Any way you look at it, it's better he should suffer. After all, it was me or him, and, obviously, it couldn't be me. It's a simple matter of logic. I'm not like other people. I can't stand pain. It hurts me." ~Daffy Duck
The times I have been injured the most seriously I went beyond pain and felt nothing. I may have been in shock but it didn't actually hurt until later. It's like a protective thing to allow you to get help...or maybe it's a strength thing. I don't know.
About a month ago I received a cut on my arm that cut through muscle to the bone. I ended up with 6 stitches but the strangest part was I didn’t feel any pain besides just some soreness like a bruise. Experiencing that does make me believe the story of the man who cut his hand off.
@@SluggardRaccoon oh okay, maybe you got cut in a part that didn't have that many nerves or it just broke the nerves when you got cut so you couldn't feel it even during the healing.
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-Does Pain Actually Hurt?
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24 y/o cancer patient here... Throughout my treatment I've been told by many that I am "Handling this better than we expected" to which I've usually replied "I'm already suffering physically, why should I suffer mentally too?". I truly believe this mindset has been helping me deal with the real pain. I told myself I didn't mind the suffering I experience now if it means I will suffer less in the future, or stay alive for that matter.
i wish the best for you man F*CK CANCER
Big pharma is the worst. Stay strong brother.
I hope you get better
Stay strong brother!
Get well soon and stay strong, chief
I remember being told that "Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional".
Malcom Merlin in Arrow season 3 said this in its literality as I remember.
@@hopelessdigger My mother told me this. But she is a big movie person so maybe that's where she heard it.
It is a Buddhist saying. The whole philosophy in a nutshell is about how suffering is nothing but perspective.
@@jdf585-p2g Oh, well that's pretty cool!
@@jdf585-p2gI'm glad you said this. I was going to need to go do some research to show that this phrase had existed longer than any show or anyone alive today
If i had a superpower, it would be having the ability to just casually turn off and on certain senses, like pain during some procedure, or food that tastes bad
Its a very interesting subject for sure.
Like how the stinging of a paper cut seems to hurt more than a deeper cut with a stanley blade.
I remember a good friend of mine telling me the story of a hypnotist he was friends with, who one day was hit by a semi-truck, which obviously broke many bones in his body and had him rushed to hospital.
He remembered visiting him in the hospital and the doctors said it would be at least a year before he would be out and able to function again (though likely be in a wheel chair etc).
2 weeks later he saw the guy walking down the street and said how is this even possible?
He replied "The mind is a very powerful tool and when you are laid in a hospital bed, there isnt really much you can do, so I channelled all of my energy into thinking myself better"
That isnt to say that pain isnt real and it must really take a certain kind of person to be able to achieve a feat of this calliber, but it does go to show just how big of a role the mind does infact play in this subject.
I know this first hand from my own experiences, as flourescent lights will give me the most herrendous virtigo and migraines that can only be alleviated by sleep.
If ever I do any work in a property, I will always check to make sure there are non and will replace any with LEDs.
If I look directly into a compact flourescent light, they are the worst and basically Im done for the day, but I have often wondered.... is it maybe all just in my mind?
The answer to that question is both yes and no!
I was on one job, the customer met me at the property and was there before me, he had turned on all the lights but looking around they all appeared to be LED or halogen, so I thought nothing of it, but at the day was progressing, I became slower and slower, tripping over my feet, migraine, dizzy, feeling sick, but I pushed through.
The next day, I was back to my usual self and it wasnt until the end of the day when I was finishing up and it had gotten dark outside that I needed to turn the lights on, and when doing so, I noticed that 1 of the three bulbs in the entrance light fitting had a delay before it illuminated, so I got on my step and sure enough, it was a flourescent light.
I was fully under the impression that there was no flourescent lights in the property and couldnt explain why I had such bad vertigo and migraine that first day, but discovering that there was confirmed to me that it wasnt just in my mind and that these bulbs do have an effect on me.
Conversely however, I have been to some properties where I have turned on a light and there has been a delay in illumination, that I have thought, it must be a flourescent light, but some LEDs can have a short delay, however, my mind has already jumped to the conclusion that it is flourescent and it will trigger a migraine, even after I have checked it and seen that it is infact an LED, that initial overwhealming thought of dread and fear that you are done for the day just punches you in the gut like a sledge hammer and its difficult to come back from that once that spike of emotion has already triggered a signal of fear that something is going to happen, it happens.
There are even properties that I go to where I know there are flourescent lights or ones I know are likely candidates to have them, I will work up a fear of being subjected to them long before I get there and that fear in itself can absolutely trigger pain before pain is even able to occur.
Yet if you get an insect bite and you dont physically see the insect bite you or see the bite mark, but you start to feel pain as it rubs against your clothes or begins to itch, that cant be caused by a mental stimuli or fear before hand, because you didnt even know it was there until you started to feel the pain.
But then if you start talking about ants, your mind plays tricks on you and your imagination starts to "feel" them crawling on your skin.
So yes, pain is very real and different for everyone, its not as clear cut as being a physical pain or "all just in their head", but various different combination and degree's of both and clearly a very complex biological evolution and topic of debate.
this comment reads like a drug trip
My Dr sed iv never seen out like it and rote a report saying he deals with the pain his own way and seem to wort iv still got it . I'm a thicko and laff at myself thinking I shunt be doing this wen pain went I mist it.
CFLs don't bother me but linear fluoro tubes are why I missed so much of my senior year of high school
Pain is an illusion
@@Visha_32 Lunchpain, doubly so
It is wild to think that not so long ago we were like: "Oh you are feeling lots of pain? Have you tried stabbing your brain yet?"
You're forgetting that it worked.
@@mandowarrior123i wouldn't call permanent brain damage as working
@@mandowarrior123 I mean, worked in the sense that burning a house down to get rid of that spider in the bathroom would probably work...
Doesn't make much more sense than taking drugs
Peace was never an option!
*REVENGE*
As a human, I can confirm that pain hurts
That's exactly what a non human would say
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Hello fellow human lifeform. I also experience the feel of pain.
Hilarious and original joke
Hello, i too feel pain just like you!
Crazy that the brain can literally know the best option in the situation is to cut off your own hand and so it can completely ignore the signals being sent to it by the nervous system in the hand telling it it’s painful because it knows you have to do what you’re doing. That’s so wild to me. I just can’t imagine cutting off your own hand with anything, but especially just a pocket knife, and it not hurting at all
And then that same brain will later be all "You know that hand you cut off? Yeah, it's got an itch on it. Don't bother trying to scratch it."
In a life or death situation, your body stops listening to pain. You can push muscles so hard that they can break your own bones and you can push your brain to go faster in a way that would kill you if sustained. Whatever it takes to survive.
Adrenaline is one hell of a drug.
@@piraterubberduck6056 It's odd to think about how our brain operates our body. Like sure...an argument could be made that what makes each person themselves, is their brain. Their memories, emotions, personality, etc. But at the same time the brain decides on what to do or not without our active input. Like it's not actually a direct part of us, but more like a separate control unit autonomously governing basic bodily function.
@@Sanquinity Yea, I find conciousness to be widely interesting. Exactly like you're saying, it's like a separate module. I was typing my response and my head itched, I scratched it while still thinking and realized my body took care of an issue subconsciously just like most things... subconsciously. Yet I can think about what my subconscious just did
I was admitted to the hospital earlier this year with a bowel obstruction due to strictures from my Crohn's Disease. It was the most pain I've ever had in my life, and I honestly felt like I was at death's doorstep. I was in so much pain I couldn't even properly talk with the doctors at the ER. I had to slowly squeak out my words. I wasn't able to speak a full sentence until I got some pain relief because my entire body was just shutting down. There's definitely some sensations of pain that you can't ignore no matter how much you don't think about it. I was very close to needing an emergency bowel resection, but thankfully the NG tube they put in me worked its magic, and I was able to schedule a bowel resection for a few weeks later.
I had constipation that landed me in the ER. I thought something was severely wrong with me because of the amount of pain I was in. They told me what it was and I was shocked at how much pain that could cause. I almost didn't believe that's all that was going on, so I can't imagine what you endured.
9 mins ago is insane
I thankfully never experienced anything like that with my crohns
This gave me an inspiration and also validation of pain. I have always avoided pain relief unless it became absolute necessity. Feel like I can endure intense pain and then be struck down by a simple ear ache or a strong headache. Broke my hand, it swelled, went to work used it all day nothing intensive, keyboard worm light ish lifting using utensils for eating, had no dysfunction in it at all. Noticed on my break it was broken, got curious and was feeling around in the swollen area and felt the separation. Again no pain. When I went to get it looked at the doctors and the radiologists were baffled when I told them to just do what they needed to do because it didnt hurt. Follow up appointment before official casting or surgery if needed i was asked if I had a previous injury to the hand. Nothing i could recall but the xray showed an old fracture that i was never aware of. But as long as I can remember even as a child, holding something cold for a while like a jug of milk from a supermarket cooler will send shooting pain up my arm, and not specifically that arm, both sides experience intense pain from cold, or an ear ache will be so intense it drives me mad, but I can break my hand and continue using it like nothing happened. Pain is weird.
My dad spent his entire life treating people with CRPS (chronic pain). He theorized that people felt pain differently and before he passed away was in the preliminary stages of designing studies. His work was greatly influential and helped alleviate the suffering of tens of thousands of people.
It’s my hope that we as a society take pain more seriously and stop calling people delusional or saying “they’re exaggerating”. Pain is a seriously debilitating disease is many that can hinder their ability to work, or in severe cases their ability to go on with life.
Great video, sending love!
Ima start reading his rq
Hey did other people carry on with the study? How it turned out?
He passed away before he could start the study.@@alexzhou6873
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Love these Vsauce1 type questions, they always lead to some interesting facts you wouldn't really think of
Trying to figure out what level of pain someone must surpass before giving pain medication hurts my mind.
@@FLPhotoCatcher pain medication for you!
@Krypto, They also never actually answer the question. At least not directly. They simply give you facts and philosophy and let you ponder the possibilities. U think that's what makes it great.😉
But this is vsauce2
This was not one of his better videos
I tried "not minding that it hurts" once a long time back. I hit my hand with a hammer during some construction work. There was no actual injury or broken bones but it did hurt a lot. And since I wanted to do that experiment, instead of taking care of it, I picked a guitar and tried to play. I found that even though I was set on not minding the pain, my body just did not cooperate. The pain was so intense that my hand was just not following the orders I was giving it. To me it was quite a surprise as up to that time I believed pain could be overcome by strong enough will.
I believe I have higher than average tolerance to pain but what I have found is, there's no point in keeping on suffering the pain if you don't have to. When it's served its purpose, it's better to get rid of it so one can concentrate on more important things in life.
It's an interesting experiment but one that I fear was always doomed to fail as it did for you. There was no real incentive for you or your mind (a subtle distinction)...... to NOT feel the pain from the hammer. However, if the hammer was in someone else's hand and they had your hand strapped to a table and were constantly pounding on it, the incentive to rip your own hand off trying to break free from the strap would enable the survival mechanism's of your body to do so with the absence of any pain which would stop you from doing so.
While pain often leads to suffering... it can also lead to a requirement for survival......... the sensation alone can't determine whether the pain is still required or not, it is only your desire to carry on living that can limit the suffering. As such, pain will always be our friend.... but thanks to our prefrontal cortex, we get to decide if we wanna see our friend that day.
I used to have an exceptionally high pain tolerance. Then life happened, depression, some substance abuse in my youth, but mostly stomach issues have made me exceptionally sensitive.
The wotst part is having a history of drug use seemingly makes me untrustworthy, doctors won't give me so much as a pat on the back when I'm in pain.
Eve my wife, who has never touched even weed, finds it impossible to get pain relief for her chronic issues. The over prescribing of drugs has led to the opposite, people are needlessly suffering now that doctors don't want or dare to prescribe anything.
I've been conducting these experiments all my life -- unintentionally. I'd say the most recent time was closer to now than I'd like to admit when my hand decided to play chicken with a Redbox. It hurt for a little bit but... eh. Never had it taken care of, no pain meds, no time off work, didn't really change any of my daily habits (except maybe having a pinky out when I drank something since that was the main bone affected in my hand). I'm under the belief it all comes down to both physical and mental conditioning in which I personally have 30 years experience. Or maybe I'm chemically lobotomized.
you think you can get it in just a try or 2? Practice is the key
pain is telling you to not touch the boo boo area
10:53 forgot to mention 4. Ignore it and tell you it's all in your head
I think it's also important to take into account the fact that pain can be good for us: not only does it serve as a warning for when something could be dangerous, but it also can help us to develop empathy.
One problem comes from making a sort of contest out of pain. Too often there's an attitude of either "I dealt with [insert pain here] so you can deal with it too]", or "Your pain/opinion about pain doesn't matter because your painful experience isn't the same as mine"--ignoring the fact that even people with the same experiences can still have different outcomes, based on their temperament and their environment.
Pain is an illusion
I've suffered from Complex Regional Pain Syndrome since I was 21 and the difference between what's real and what's perceived is something I've found loads of people don't understand because they lack the personal experience of it.
My affected limbs have been healed physically for a very long time. There's no bone deformation, no torn tendons, no damaged nerves, yet the pain I experience persists nonetheless. To an outside observer, I look absolutely fine, but absolutely no-one knows what it feels like. I can't even remember what normal stimuli feels like anymore. Medication just leaves me with a dull ache rather than the excruciating and debilitating severity I'd otherwise be experiencing, but striking the fine balance between perception and reality must be extraordinarily difficult because as human beings, we don't know what it feels like for anyone but ourselves.
At the end of the day, I've always had two options when it comes to pain; give up & die or suffer & live. I'm choosing the latter.
Badass
It's all relative 100% Have you tired Lions Mane and Niacin taken together daily? It helps regrow nerves.
@@PigeonLaughter01 he said he has no nerve damage
All of us can only understand within the limits of our perspective.
I have the same condition, and I'm glad you found a way to live with it. Doing physical therapy helped me a lot. It's a looooong process, but it's worth the patience.
I find certain pains are easier to "mind if they hurt" than others. The more temporary the pain, the less I care about it. Some pains like headaches actually effect function, which makes it hard to "ignore"
Toothaches are the worst imo
@@DarthTalon66 You ain't wrong -- toothaches are a nightmare
@@DarthTalon66currently dealing with that 😅
@@DarthTalon66 Second worse for me. The pain is terrible, but if I lay flat on my back and just breath I can atleast deal with the pain and sometimes fall asleep. First for me is dopesickness (Heroin withdraw), it's not even that the pain is terrble, it's more just how much is going on when you're sick and the overwhelming craving for more heroin, cause you know as soon as you shoot up more you'll feel not only better, but hgh as hell too. Horrible drug, because of wonderful it truly feels
On the other hand, if you get headaches a lot, they become somewhat easier to ignore.
As a person with lots of experience, I can confirm that pain hurts badly.
@@douce409 Oh, my gods, why didn't I think of that? /s
I really wish it were that simple.
@@douce409yoo. you just solved the half of the world problem. so casually.
@@wmdkittywell what if it is?
@@wmdkitty Scoff all you like, but it works a lot better than that over the counter pain medicine crap that does absolutely nothing.
Until it doesn't, which is equally as concerning. Getting to the point to where you feel akin to the lobotomized; is it there? Yes. Do I care? Not anymore. Slowly drifting flirtatiously at the edge of sanity.
Real, I used to be a guy who feels no Pain, I used to punch walls and bags until my knuckles bleed, I always chose Freezing showers in winter, crashed my bike many times and didn’t feel nothing just took off again with whole body bleeding, worked out until I pass out, like it was crazy if i think about it now, until I lost my love… Now Im depressed and cant take a pain it hurts now a lot, even just sleeping with the memories is like physical pain stomach hurts, its sometimes hard to breath, the heart beat raises crazy i can feel my chest moving when going to sleep…
I’m experienced with this. It goes away and it gets better with time I promise that.
5:32 "pain leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering"
I was actually thinking the exact same thing while watching this. 😂
Pain is an illusion
@@Visha_32You're being pointless. What is it you want through spreading this?
@@fabiosonhandogrande1697 to spread the word of my leader his teaching tell us that pains an illusion
Suffering leads to alligator
17:00 I've suffered enough to know that everyone's pain is real. How we react to it is what's important. And the key to this includes managing our expectations (some people expect not to feel any pain; some believe they shouldn't ever feel any pain, so everything is an immediate crisis).
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My view on it is not whether or not pain is real but what is "real" itself? I for one, while not having any damaged nerve endings, can feel pain but do not mind it and at times enjoy it almost as if pain to me is as real as a good mood -- "real" but fleeting and imaginary. And on the flip some people genuinely feel crippled when they stub their toe. The human brain is a fucky thing, mind over matter plays a big hand.
As someone who lives with chronic pain, I agree that pain makes no sense.
same, I have MS and every moment of my life now is at least a 7 on the pain scale I have just gotten use to not showing others how much pain I am in and that in itself is a bit scary
@@syndigriner-owens4351 right there with you. But I’ve opted more for the antisocial approach. Don’t have to fake anything w/ no one around.
If the pain causes humans to be suicidal sometimes, wasn't that an evolutionary mistake?
@@sunbro29 don't you think that being suicidal in any case just means that you, realistically, just should be removed from the genepool since you can't seem to be living a proper life anyways? Strictly evolutionary and generally speaking, of course!
@Goldy0154 don't cut yourself on that edge
"The trick is not minding that it hurts."
I have noticed this myself, too. I can ignore the pain if I'm convinced it isn't a sign that something might actually be wrong in a way that I must react to it (Irrecoverable damage to my body). Like it's not a big deal if I have to cut my skin for a good reason. Or if I learn that the body part in question doesn't need any special attention to heal properly. I'd want to test how much safe pain I'd be able to withstand, if there is some limit.
However, I'm suspecting that chronic pain could be a quite different beast. Maybe I'd have to put constant mental effort to keep not minding it and that could be exhausting in the long run. I hope I'll have never to learn from experience.
Well said!
Thank you for including that you can't know something you haven't experienced instead of assuming it works for everything and everyone ❤
Exactly
As someone who fully agrees with what you said, and as someone who has experienced chronic-like pain in the past, your assumptions are quite accurate. It was only when I would forget about, failing to maintain the mental focus when the pain would increase and then it was like a reminder to increase my conscious effort of not minding it. It hurt the worst when the pain would increase in the middle of the night, when I was asleep, completely unconscious. I wouldn’t be able to consciously nullify the pain seeing as I was UNconscious, and It would wake me up and for some reason it felt like my ability to ignore the pain was nullified for a good 20 minutes at least when it would happen, and I couldn’t really do anything except bear it. It would have me in tears in those midnight bursts of pain, which is not something that happens to me with physical pain EVER. Did it actually hurt though? I could not tell you. It’s definitely a different beast but altogether still manageable. It’s just more of a pain (get it 😆).
Pain is information about injury. Information can be blocked, faked, copied, or deleted. It just usually isn’t.
I have had great pains, the cause was a car accident, I had broken my legs at 8 places. In the ER I got morfine and that feels good, it felt to good. When the pain killer was gone the pain came slowly back, I invented numerous new curses to swear the pain away. Later on I switched off the pain. After a few years, when another car hit me and I broke my foot it took me more then a week to go to the doctor. I noticed something, but I felt pain before, so I was not worried. I was stumbling, swearing and cursing around. Switching off pain is not good, pain is a signal that something is wrong. Pain is necessary for life.
Mark my words, when computers will be introduced to pain, then suddenly self awareness will appear in automation.
How do you get into 2 car crashes with just a few years inbetween? I have never bin in 1 let alone seen anyone get in one in person like the only car crashes i have seen have bin on tv or youtube videos pretty much
6:58 Most crucifixions didn't even use nails. The point is that you are hanging from your arms, and if you get exhausted, your scapulae push your lungs on your ribs squishing them, suffocating you.
So basically you fatigue until you cannot take it anymore and die.
That's why to torture prisoners, often they were given food and water, to prolong their suffering. They would die only when their muscles would give up, and not because of fatigue due to starving. And to ensure longer suffering, if the prisoner ever passed out, they would poke their bodies with their spears to make them wake up from the shock, so the day they would not react to the poke would mean their bodies were literally to their limit so they received the longest torture possible.
I've struggled with self harm for about 20 years now. I've always found it interesting how I can put a razor into my arm and not feel any pain in the moment. However, when my anxiety goes sky high, I often feel pain in my arm or leg right where I cut and scratch... but it may have been weeks or months since the last time I hurt myself there. There are even times where the "pain" in my leg gets to a point that I start limping in an effort to relieve the "pain".
It brought me back to being in control of myself. Where as the other one doesn't feel as though it's by active choice. I often fall and it takes control of me, how I feel and what I can/can't do.
I feel like they shouldn't even share the same name 'pain'
I can't tell you, you should stop, as a fellow SHer, it would make me feel like a hypocrite. However, I do hope you can find healing within yourself, to the point where you don't even notice how long it's been since you've felt the need to SH.
I can't tell you last night I did it, but I also can't promise I won't do it again. I feels it's one of those things you've got to leant to live with.
I have come to realise that it is possible to live with it but not act on it.
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All I said as a fellow SHer and now a chronic pain sufferer, I feel the 2 pains are completely different. One was a means of coping in situations I had no way out or a means to change those situations I was struggling to cope through. It brought me back to being in control of myself.
Sheer speculation but I wonder if a raise in blood pressure in some way plays a part into it?
hope youre doing better ❤
There is a transformative aspect to pain that I've experienced a few times. I was stung by a wasp around age 10, and I shrieked in pain as she flew away. My mom was near by and went over and did nothing other than hold my hand near where the wasp had stung - the feeling of receiving love and attention made my hand feel warm and cozy even though I was still aware of a burning / painful sensation.
Yes. This is why having a parent "kiss the boo-boo to make it better" actually works: love is stronger than pain, and feeling loved makes the pain not seem so big anymore.
@@Havronor even just knowing that the pain is less or gone even if it isn't
I'm pretty sure bugs feel pain as someone who has pulled their legs off as a kid and watched the writhe around
Perception of pain is hugely important to the expression of pain. There are countless reports of people being shot or stabbed or run through that were so focused on something else, they didn't even realize they had been hurt. On the flipside, if you absolutely know pain is coming and can focus your attention elsewhere, you can negate a lot of the pain. It's the in between pain, the common stuff, that is brutal. If you stub your toe, for example, you know exactly what lead to the pain and even though you weren't expecting it, it's easy to connect the dots after it happened. What you do with that information after the fact (after the initial body response to let you know you screwed up and caused yourself damage) can be the difference of suffering or moving past the initial pain.
The absolute killer though is chronic pain. The lasting pain from an injury or age. The seemingly inescapable pain. You're instantly going in with a disadvantage -- you are already aware there is going to be pain that doesn't stop. That's such a mental disadvantage that pain is all but inevitable. That's why placebos can be so effective. If you are taking something that you believe removes the pain, you get over the mental hurdle and are left with just the pain; not the perceived amount of pain.
It's really a fascinating subject that is so individualized it will likely never be mastered. I have an extremely high pain tolerance with the exception of my eyes. I've broken bones, suffered massive cuts, endured a fractured skull, all of which hurt, obviously, but were pains I was able to accept and move on with until they healed with little or no pain killers; but I get a speck of dust in my eye and I'm blubbering like an infant. For whatever reason, I can't cope with eye discomfort without making a huge deal of it.
It's prob adrenaline moreso than it is focus.
We will know more on future
To which degree we should tolerate pain is a question that goes way beyond just pain.
we should not a5 all, thats just cruep especially forcing this belief upon others
@@maya_void3923 Not denying there is a moral conundrum here. It's part of what makes this question deep.
@@KhanumX You sound like you did not watch the video.
Pain is similar to happiness. They are not ends in and of themselves. They are not "states" to "be" in as humans. Pain and happiness are two sides of the same coin.
We often talk about the "pursuit of happiness", but happiness is not a destination, it is a *transitory* state--it is the ACT of moving from one state of being to the next. You are not "being" happy, you are performing an ACTION or series of actions that GENERATE happiness in order for you to keep doing/achieving something and is the reward positive feedback mechanism for you to continue doing so, and moving away from the state of pain/suffering.
This is why it is an oxymoron and impossible task of someone who states that "my goal is to achieve happiness" or "I just want to BE happy". You cannot BE happy, it is not a sustainable and infinite state or end-goal--as if Nirvana in the Buddhist sense, unless you abuse drugs that alter your brain chemistry. The pursuit of happiness is a dead-end. The goal is taking ACTIONS that elicit more transitory states of happiness between them than the opposite. Happiness are the states of mental being between point A point B point C, and is it what pushes you from one point to the next, and away from point A(pain) to point B(pain).
It's hard for us to imagine happiness in the same way as pain because pain is more visceral--is is instantaneous and depending on the pain, it can kills us. Burning yourself with a fire is quick but you learn your lesson. Being "happy" for a long time is hard to tell when it will kill you, while fire is quick to let you and others know when it will kill you.
Pain is not a state to be in just as happiness isn't. Pain is an immediate--or prolonged--transitory state that informs your conscious mind that you need to GET AWAY or MOVE AWAY from your current state. It is a response by your body, just as happiness is.
Chemical imbalances aside in the rare cases, or pain caused involuntarily, the CONCEPT of pain is the opposite side of the same coin that happiness is on.
When you begin to understand pain and happiness in this dichotomy, in this yin-yang balance of life, as mere transitory states, you realize that they are the most primal, truest, a priori emotions and mental states that push and pull on entropy.
When you begin to think of PAIN and HAPPINESS as indicators and markers by your mind to inform you to take action (either to keep your trajectory or alter your course immediately), you begin to listen and learn to your own mind/spirit/soul or whatever it is you believe in, but pain and happiness do not lie to you, even if the end goal is misinformed or subject to change.
You just blew my fricking mind
@@dorathehoora4527 I'm glad that those words broadened your horizons. We all benefit from imparting knowledge on one another.
Babyheads/brains didn't get too big too fast. It's because we are vertical and the pelvic "bowl" needs to support our guts and organs in place. So it has developed to be _juuust_ big enough ...Except when it isn't.
That's one reason that our connective tissues(?) and such "relax" and get more stretchy when pregnant - so that our pelvic will "stretch" to allowe the baby to pass it.
I've seen a replica of the pelvic bones and a baby head together, it's pretty much an exact fit - not a whole lot of allowance...
Oh, yeah and babies heads a squishy too. Sometimes they come out looking really odd if it's been really tight coming out. They "bounce back" pretty fast.
I just watched that House episode with the neighbour who had his arm blown off while grabbing a kid to save him from a landmine (fail) and the phantom limb was in excessive pain, still grabbing the kid decades later. House fixed it (after "kidnapping" him) with a box and a mirror so he saw his remaining arm as his missing arm and made him release his grip. Very emotional to watch as he finally lets go to his great tearful relief. Great TV.
I find it similar to how some people the cold doesn't really bother (me) vs others who will instantly start shivering and being in pain.
I know lol, my dad is the kind of person to shiver in the cold, while i just go out in my crocs. He told me that he thinks he is sensitive to cold due to suffering from it in his childhood, which could relate to the experiences on this vid
It really depends on your expectations and state.
I don't mind it too much but I get sick easily, so I have to be careful.
Don’t mind me walking in T-shirt in -20 degrees Celsius
@@B----------------------------D I don’t think cold gets you sick. It’s a myth.
My step dad when I tell him I have depression
He spitting facts
Pain is an illusion
When I was little, whenever I was in pain because I fell or something, I would always ask myself this: “Why do I need to hate this feeling? What about pain makes me hate it?” And for some reason it works. I find myself not minding the pain anymore. This also works when im cold. I dont feel that cold anymore after I ask myself that.
I asked me the same question while having many ulcerative colitis flares for years, didn't work though. I'm relieved that I am healed from this for good with changes in nutrition. It wasn't easy but now I feel damaged mentally, trying to fix that.
@@fabio.1 Sorry to hear that. I’m glad you feel better physically though :) wishing you all the best!
@@soup3764 🙏 thanks 👍👍 I wish you the best!!
Fr. i figured temperature was mostly mental as a kid so i learned how to do the same thing
0:00: 🔥 Pain is a complex and essential human experience that serves as a teacher and protector.
3:31: 🤔 Pain is a crucial aspect of survival and evolution in complex animals, including humans.
6:46: 💉 The history of pain relief includes the science of pain, the development of anesthesia, and the use of recreational drugs.
9:48: 🩺 Pain management and medication have evolved over time, with early methods being addictive and ineffective, and later methods causing personality changes and severing of nerves.
13:16: 😖 Pain management in the 1950s was limited to extreme methods like lobotomies, and the perception of pain was often questioned by doctors.
17:14: 😔 Pain is a complex issue that involves physical sensations, emotions, and societal questions.
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The machibes are coming
Absolutely people deserve to live pain free how is that even a question, i know currently its not always possible because they drugs that are available are often highly addictive but until we find ways to treat pain or we develop non addictive drugs, in situations where the underlying condition has been treated and there is still pain, there is always the option of lying to the patient by offering them painkillers that are actually sugar pills what does it matter that you lied or that its fake as long as the patient no longer feels the pain real or imagined, just dont tell them what youve done and they will be fine
To sum it all up, we as a species have still not come to a good understanding of pain like all other things in our life...
We don't even know how anesthesia works! That's not worrying at all 🙃
Kinda.
Much like addiction research, there's a multitude of tangential interests more focused on their own agendas than coming to a better understanding (and if you look at it from the context of mass delusion, it gets really wild).
Much like the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies has numerous "breakthrough" treatments for areas like alcoholism, depression, and PTSD only after nearly half a century of a ban on such research (and even now, it is politically entangled, but the results are overwhelming); the US hasn't really attempted pure research in areas of pain and addiction since the closure of the Narcotics Farm.
So I have had 4 attacks of non-alcohol non-blockage induced acute pancreatitis, which is easily one of the most painful things I’ve experienced. Interestingly, I have also had severe upper-left abdominal pain that was unrelated to this, usually with labs that have come back with elevated liver enzymes. However, more recently I have had issues with extreme acid reflux (presumably GERD which runs in my family), which pretty much felt identical. It’s quite interesting the way doctors and nurses have reacted to these incidents when I arrive at the hospital in excruciating pain. If labs come back and pancreatitis is detected, they’ll quickly administer some sort of opiate. If pancreatitis is not detected and elevated liver enzymes are, they somewhat more reluctantly administer opiates or an alternate pain medication. Acid reflux that feels just as intense with all normal labs? Obviously I am faking it and trying to get painkillers. 🤔 Often before labs come back, this latter sentiment is the default. When labs come back and something is off, there’s something of an, “oh shit it’s real pain, my bad,” attitude.
Anyway, good job on this video. I hope we can find some better solutions, opiates sure aren’t it.
This presume we're being duped by an addict attitude is far too common among doctors, probably encouraged by fear of lawyers.
Yeah, I learned to ignore the pain when I had to wait till it's gone. I'm just like "okay, it hurts me, but I don't care". And at the moment I say that in my mind, the pain almost releases or at least gets less intense. Then it is even easier to "don't care" and ignore.
Having said that, pain is just a feeling and it doesn't have to be connected with suffering. You suffer only if you want the pain to go away. If you don't care about the pain, you don't suffer. And yeah, that is kinda budism in a nutshell.
It's like a siren that goes off automatically when something happens. It forces you to check what's going on in your body. If I can be sure it isn't caused by anything that needs my action or adaptation, I can put it to the background and not care.
That's fine the first few months.
@mandowarrior123 its still better than nothing.
Exactly ! I do the same thing
"The cause of all suffering is desire."
0:13 NOT AGAIN
ok, thats about... 10 decimeters per second.
That seems likely enough
honestly, we need to be grateful that we can feel pain as it should. Because that feeling has protected our body from any harm or harming ourself.
Hahahah pain specifically haha try not to breath for 38 secs u will understand how grateful
@@shahfaisal-yt4drjust did for double
I can’t speak for all childbirth, but my wife’s epidural was the best thing that could have possibly happened for her, me, and the baby. Without it, even she would attest that everyone would have been miserable. It was a life saver
I enjoyed this vid. I have CRPS, often described as one of the most painful chronic conditions. My everyday is pain, but I can completely confirm that the ‘minding’ of it is key to surviving it and flourishing. It’s not going to get better by resting and shutting off from life. It’s actually often relieved by the addition of other “pain”… I practice powerlifting, and the muscles pain from that actually provides endorphins that reduce my awareness of the chronic nerve pain of crps. But, living in constant pain is exhausting physically and mentally, and it’s not always possible to remain bright and active. And sometimes doing pain inducing things like intentionally picking skin, extinguishing candles with fingers, etc is actually relieving… I don’t mind those incidental planned pain experiences because they reduce the feelings of chronic pain. (Boy Harsher has a song, “Pain” which explores these complexities around the experiences of chronic pain conditions)
Yes, acute pain gives control back is temporary- so much better. Minding it is fine, works for months, but it degrades your ability to mind it further.
Good luck to both of you. Stay strong bros
I really like the sound of Boy Harsher but have never attributed this song with a deeper meaning like this. Now I see it, makes it much more sophisticated
Loved the insights and open questions - thank you. Pain is like an app that tells you to change or take action to avoid bad consequences. Turning off suffering is like removing the notifications and doing so could be to late. We should be able to turn off notifications for things that we can’t take actions for.
I’ve had people saying that it would be easier to have a none sensational feeling of pain, like an emergency alarm. I’d say that would work now, for us already aware of pain, but in the past and for future, this just won’t work. We need that pain to learn. We need it to know what’s “painful” or harmful to our bodies.
Ya, there are conditions where people don’t feel pain and… it’s not pretty. As children they can gouge out their eyes. Bite through their tongue in a nightmare. Can’t play sports. Falls often require a hospital visit to check for damage. Iirc the life expectancy is often in the teens
He explained that there is a conundrum about whether or not it is better to feel pain. Yet, except for people who will want to abuse painkillers, he did not give any example for why it should be better to feel pain in some circumstances. About childbirth for example, why would it be a problem to relieve the pain of anybody who asks for it? I think the bigger question is "why are we afraid not to feel pain in some circumstances?". He doesn't address it, as if it was obvious, but what really are those reasons?
Also, about pain during childbirth being caused by the birth canal not evolving as fast as people's heads, is it something scientifically proven or is just some theory? Because for something that can relatively often kill the mother, I think there is a pretty big reason for natural selection, and quite often, things that seem useless or negative in the body are actually useful for something else and this is the reason why they are not eliminated by mutations and natural selection.
you're great at making videos of questions I think about before sleeping
The way I deal with pain is repeating in my head “pain is only temporary and you won’t remember the pain tomorrow”
I wish that were true for me.
Pain is what disabled my mom. She was a go getter, could do the work of multiple people in 1 day. Until her pain...slowly she became able to work less and less because of excruciating pain. I'm a firm believer that pain takes unnecessary energy, mental tolls, and literally hurts the economy. The return on investment in helping peoples pain would pay for itself. Welfare done correctly, pays for itself by lessening people's burdens so they can focus on work and productivity. Sure there's the odd welfare queen, but the majority of people with a well made system will take the opportunity and do great things with it.
"do the work of multiple people in 1 day", here in lies the problem I think. If multiple people means 2 thats 16 hours of work and 8 hours of rest and chores/taking care of yourself, if multiple means 3 it's no rest or anything, but 100% work and that is obviously not good for you in the long run. If it's 2 or 3 doesn't really matter I think, pain in this scenario was simply telling your mom that the body would not be able to work for multiple people and she should find a new employer that pays enough to make a living on work for a single person, and I agree with pain, if you need 2 full time jobs just to put food on the table you are doing something wrong.
Ya, but who sustains all those other people? I have been held back by my country's economy due to being poor and having to pay for stuff that feels overpriced (it could be cheaper with less goverment paywalls). Having to pay so that other people depend on it doesnt feel like a solution, the same way letting ppl alone doesnt feel like it either. Its complicated. Politics are complicated.
@@Smaggle84 well, sort of. Until no amount of rest helped..it turns out it was a nasty combination of issues. She is now in a worse state, but stabilizing. She can't do what she used to do, and has to constantly manage pain. It's a huge burden to her.
one of the ways I do something like going into freezing water or having a stinging wound is by telling myself that pain is just a signal so just block it. Pain is only the illusion of the mind.
As one funky song once said, "into each life, a little rain must fall"
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I’ve lost… the comrades I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?
Look at the horizon. Stare at the rising sun. Live as much as you can through pain and eliminate suffering... you can control it and it would be a waste to complain about it
🙂❤
Touch grass
Bro it's a mgs reference
people really don't get the reference
2 things not mentioned in this video...
1. There are some people who have no pain receptors and they have a tendancy to injury themselves and not even know they are injured cause they don't feel anything.
2. I have the opposite problem as I can still feel pain from injuries that happened YEARS ago and have otherwise already fully healed. I'm also immune to all forms of pain killers. Doctors have tried to numb me and it didn't work, had no effect on me what so ever.
Not feeling pain is not cool. You need to go to the doctor all the time, you might have like cancer or something, you might burn your leg, not realise it, so next time you won't care if your hand is a bit to close to the oven fire... and your counsousnes won't care either...
If you are riding a bike, you fall and hurt yourself, then you learn, "Oh, I shouldn't fall again, cause it hurts, I should try" Instead of thinking, "I'm okay, who cares! I'll go again!"
my man was fighting every instinct to touch that match.
Other than the fact that the *intensity* of pain is tied directly to the *degree* of conscious aversion you have towards it, and thus *ridding* yourself of the *general* aversion you have towards pain can *free* your mind of it, effectively make it irrelevant, and allow you to focus on something else, I think you have to remember the pain is *tied* directly to a negative outcome. E.g. if you put a strong bulldog clip on your finger and let it sink in for a while, the pain will continuously increase due to whatever physical feedback you get from that, theoretically up to the point that the finger would be severed, after which it would throb for a while and then gradually reduce. But beyond that I think it's the *risk* of the finger being severed or else severely damaged by the force exerted by the clip that is the root of the issue and the root of the aversion, which is false from the outset because a bulldog clip cannot sever your finger and I think *recognising* that can minimise aversion, *and therefore* the pain.
But I think all of that that in turn goes directly to core notions of Self, particularly the *belief* that your Self is limited to this one temporal existence so the pain you experience *must* be avoided, without which you would experience that pain as merely an *indicator* of something negative that is occurring to your temporal body that needs to be monitored and managed to maximise your Life utility, but not the *worst* thing ever as if it's going to result in the end of everything for you *forever.* Of course, this means the *ultimate* risk is the risk of death itself which I believe is the mortal fear at the root of every Self *and therefore* at the root of every aversion to pain, so if you can learn to transcend that I'm sure it will help you to transcend the pain you encounter, and then you can keep your mind *focused* on the task at hand, e.g. doing whatever you can to *maximise* your Life utility, which would include making pain totally irrelevant *where it cannot be avoided,* I think adopting a Spiritual Practice makes this far easier.
Physical? Na. But emotional, that’s a whole different conversation.
I would like to know more about this subject, specifically from the perspective of people who can't feel pain like people with CIPA or FAAH-OUT, or even from people who can feel pain but don't react to it, this being called Pain Asymbolia, this subject deserves a second video.
I live with chronic pain. My back is so bad many doctors are shocked I can even walk still. I have NEVER had a pain medication that did more than make me not care about the pain. The pain is still there. Even morphine. TENS works for a short relief, because like mentioned, it short circuits the nerves. .. If I could find a way to only feel the pain when more damage is being created, that would be an amazing thing.
For the past decade I've been dealing with the onset of psoriatic arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis, and just talking to doctors about it gives me a mini-existential crisis every time because of the clearly subjective nature of pain. It's standard for them to ask me to rank my pain out of 10 and I just don't even know where to begin with that. It didn't take long for my rheumatologist to become certain that I just understate everything and so she incorporates that into her diagnosis now.
I keep fantasising about some sort sci-fi device where I wear a futuristic cap on my head and they wear a cap on their head and now every signal that runs through my nervous system gets mapped onto theirs so they can experience it all first-hand and this clunky barrier of having to actually _describe_ how it all feels is finally eliminated.
I have a similar fantasy for a such device. Also makes you feel understood finally and not alone with the pain. Makes it much less stressful and you can accept your fate with peace
So theoretically if someone was 20 feet tall and they burned their foot it would take 2 seconds to feel it
Yes, humans can feel pain. Pain is a complex sensory and emotional experience associated with actual or potential tissue damage. It serves as a protective mechanism that alerts the body to potential harm and encourages behaviors to avoid or minimize injury. Here’s a brief overview of how humans experience pain:
1. Nociceptors: Specialized nerve endings called nociceptors detect harmful stimuli, such as extreme temperatures, pressure, or chemicals.
2. Signal Transmission: When nociceptors are activated, they send electrical signals through peripheral nerves to the spinal cord and then to the brain.
3. Processing in the Brain: The brain processes these signals in various regions, including the thalamus and cerebral cortex, interpreting them as pain. This involves not only recognizing the physical sensation but also the emotional and cognitive aspects of pain.
4. Response: The perception of pain triggers a response, which can include withdrawing from the source of pain, seeking relief, and emotional reactions like distress or anxiety.
Pain can be acute, resulting from a specific injury and lasting a short time, or chronic, persisting for weeks, months, or even years. Chronic pain can result from conditions like arthritis, nerve damage, or other long-term health issues. Understanding and managing pain is a key area of medical research and practice, aiming to improve quality of life for those affected.
Pain for me, is weird. For instance, I've had this pelvic floor/groin pain going on for...8 almost 9 months now. WAAAAAYYY better than it was in the beginning, but just won't go away, all the way. But then, at the same time, for some reason, whenever, and this has been this way for years and years and years for me, if I ever stub my toe on something, for a split second I can decide if I'm going to feel it or not. I mean I'll feel the impact, and maybe an ouch moment, but I can keep walking and be like, "nope" and it's just fine, or choose to feel throbbing pain for a minute or two. It's...something.
Pain is an illusion
Ive had pelvic pain for 9 years. First few days felt like my appendix was inflammed. I did get it removed years later. Waking up from pain to use the bathroom is normal now.
It makes me happy to see C. S. Lewis show up in a Vsauce video. He seems like someone who would've loved the channel!
Cluster headache, chronic kidney and gallbladder stones, two dislocated upper spine vertebrae. I can confirm pain is real
This video is not about jerking off to our own painful conditions, just watch the damn thing, jesus christ
I have started to get cluster headaches and damn It hurts. How do you deal with it?
@@joshuadavis5899 my insurance provide me with 100% oxygen tank, the rest of the days it's anti depressents to stay sane
Fun fact: it seems humans are the only mammals to experience the pain of childbirth. Even other great apes, like orangutans and chimps, don’t feel pain. Or animals that have large litters like pigs don’t feel pain. It’s believed that it is because the human body’s waist is so narrow, thus the pain, because we stand upright on two legs. Even animals that sometimes stand upright only do so briefly, but humans are bipedal whenever we move around.
It doesn’t have to do with making the birth faster. If so, wild animals, who have the greatest incentive to give birth very quickly, would feel pain. Yet humans, and our ancestors, have been dominating for a very long time, long before we were even proper humans. Again, even other great apes don’t feel pain. It’s because humans have narrower bodies, and because for millennia now women have been incentivized to have smaller and smaller waists
Interesting
I as a 21 year old got a sciatica diagnosis and took meds for years to ignore the pain. I was an alcoholic and next thing I knew I had bpd my ex wife cheated on me then left me and I had to find my own way. What most people don’t know today is that I have sciatica still. It numbs my leg some days and I walk with a slight limp on those days. But I can do things the average person bows to pain wise when it comes to work and working out. It’s not how much pain you experience that makes you human. It is how much pain you feel, stand up and work past that makes you human.
Pain is a sensation that tells us that something is not ok and needs to change. A sensation that is entirely created by our own subconscious mind because it is very much useful
The reason why it hurts, why it is so unpleasant, is to serve as a motivator to change things with varying levels of urgency depending on the situation.
Well worded!
Pain is your body telling you, in a way you can't ignore, that something is wrong.
Is it really though? I've heard stories of localized happiness or pleasure, mostly due to use of drugs. The trick to it is that we don't know if that "Pleasure" is indeed created by the brain, or if the brain is simply receiving such signals from the area it's coming from.
@@kintex6441 both.
Not always. Sometimes pain can become sensitized and send pain signals without any kind of damage (nociplastic pain), the reaction does not match the stimuli. That is due to ascending pathways from nociceptors being either centrally or locally sensitized.
Pain and negative emotions also use the same interneurons. Interneurons are relay stations that sends signals from the spinal cord to the brain. Pain and negative emotions travels through the spinal cord from interneurons to ascending pathways, then ending up at different places in the brain. Primary sensory cortex is one where pain signals end up, amygdala where negative emotions can end up.
Therefor when you feel pain, your nervous system will also send signals to the amygdala which will trigger aroused states, fight or flight.
Why pain feels so unpleasant is mostly due to the negative emotions which these ascending pathways also trigger at the same time.
It goes vice versa too. Negative emotions can lead to physical pain without a direct cause for it (nociplastic pain) or being more sensitive to feel pain.
Pain is part of life. There is a higher chance that nothing is wrong when you feel a bit of pain than something would be wrong. But it also depends on the classification of pain.
Generalized lumbal pain for example, half the population has it. Can be very intense pain. It is a learned pain pattern and behaviour, not indication that something is ”wrong”. If you take MRI on the lumbal area of the back most people would have some kind of damage (”rust”), and most would be asymptomatic.
Pain can often become very unuseful when combined with an inactive lifestyle and can cause fear of movement, change in movement pattern and behaviours which leads to more pain and chronic pain down the line. It should be respected and understood, but not feared as long as you follow obvious red flags.
That is only the physiological aspect of pain.
Pain is as much psychosocial as it is biological, we treat patients with pain according to the biopsychosocial model and the most important thing is to try to live as normal as possible even if you have chronic pain. Not obsess or listen to it too much and try to just accept it. In many cases that will act as pain-relieving as well.
Very complex and it is not as straightforward as you seem to describe.
Bro started the video with the most dramatic movie-like explanation ever
Edit: 19:16 i already knew that trick, but it wont work if the pain is too big or intense, or if you didn't expect it to come. I remember slapping my own face and not flinching
As a disabled US veteran, I've been dealing with chronic pain for about 15 years and when most people see me they would never know the pain I live with and outside of the few times a year when the pain brakes the damb in my mind, I'm "fine", but every day it takes it out of me and all I do is ignore it as much as I can and push forward. I'm more worried about me when I become elderly but well see how that turns out.
the term Malinger is more formely known as a Hypochondriac without the false pain to get away from life, it's more of a false pain to get checked for any other signs of undiscovered pain/issues in the body in short they feel the pain, but the pain is actually temporary and they just seem needy to get it checked out, my mom calls me a hypochondriac quite a lot but somehow my pains always subside and I never have to go to the doctor, it's been over nearly 4 years since I've been to one
As a human with tattoos I can confirm that not minding it hurts is the best way to get through any pain.
And many sport related injuries to bones and muscle. “You don’t mind it don’t matter” always seek the right help tho!
Doesn't help trying to sleep at 3 4 5 am etc. Acute pain isn't terribly relevant. I love a bit of acute pain, but chronic pain, man, after a few dozen months you start caring less about living more than anything else.
@@mandowarrior123 Cannabis helps with the sleep part.
exactly, things like tattoos and injections don't bother me because i consented to them. meanwhile, stubbing my toe and muscle cramps (for example) are unbearable
Just tried the match trick. I burnt myself and a blister is forming. It's getting quite hard not to mind about this.
RIP brennus finger
The endings of Vsauce videos is always something absolutely magical. I don't know how you guys do it but man I'm glad I'm along for the ride.
This is so true. The last bit resonates especially with me, as over the last few years I've realised that I can withstand much more pain than most people simply by not minding that it hurts. I can't just tell myself it doesn't hurt because I know it does, but I can choose not to listen to the siren of pain in my head quite easily now that I've experienced ignoring it. If I make it seem like no big deal then it is no big deal, at the end of the day it's just electrical signals going through my head, no big deal right?
Descartes was right about many other aspects of pain. He writes about it in many of his philosophical works pertaining to the unity of body and soul
9:11 thank goodness he discovered oxygen idk what we'd do without him
suffocate, probably
just taking a moment to appreciate how lucky I'm to be born at this moment in human history
As a rock, I can confirm pain does not hurt.
Human body: oh no you are in danger
Also human body: gives self nerve ability that does not let you concentrate on getting out of danger
i've felt strange pain related situations, my body processes most pain numbing really fast, alcohol passes by rather fast and my previous usage of curing a migraine with pain medicine just stopped when i realized i didn't really need it, as i've noticed, i've gotten much better dealing with pain due to it preparing me for whats to come, i've had multiple times where the pain medicine i got from the dentist wore off mid appointment, causing severe problems if i wasn't prepared for it, once or twice it happened but now i'm prepared for it whenever it happens, and that is somehow more comforting than if i were knocked out for the procedure
Anyone else hear the massive voice crack at 7:05
I was just about to check for that lmao glad im not the only one😂😭😭
I’ve been waking myself this question a lot recently actually. Mostly because I’ve been going through some really painful things but I think “isn’t this just my brain? Is pain even real?”
Not only does pain hurt, it is one of the few things we can really say without philosophy coming to doubt it
Actually some people have genetic disorders in which they can't feel pain and most die young because they can't tell if they are unwell or have seriously injured themselves.
@@jprec5174 Someone not feeling pain doesn't contradict that pain hurts.
@@okaydetar821 i'm saying it's not universal. You can describe pain to someone with this condition but they simply won't understand it the way you or I do.
"Any way you look at it, it's better he should suffer. After all, it was me or him, and, obviously, it couldn't be me. It's a simple matter of logic. I'm not like other people. I can't stand pain. It hurts me." ~Daffy Duck
The times I have been injured the most seriously I went beyond pain and felt nothing. I may have been in shock but it didn't actually hurt until later. It's like a protective thing to allow you to get help...or maybe it's a strength thing. I don't know.
Yea me too, once I deeply cut my thumb with a glass shard on accident but I didn't even realize until I was bleeding😂
this video genuinely caused me to have a life changing realization about a pain I've had for years damn
Moment of silence for Kevin's fingers, whose suffering was needed for this video to be made
"The trick is not minding that it hurts." is such a based sentence. lmao
4:40 “heres who Ive been sleeping with” 💀
What we SHOULD be focusing on is why is there air? Why don’t turtles sing? Is there really disease or are we hallucinating?
This video's title is like "is water wet?"
Pain is an illusion
Is water really wet or the things that water touches get wet?
@@sandeepchaudhary1513 whoa, that opens a whole new perspective
@@Andesyte6 pain is an illusion
@@Visha_32 yea
I love these types of videos
About a month ago I received a cut on my arm that cut through muscle to the bone. I ended up with 6 stitches but the strangest part was I didn’t feel any pain besides just some soreness like a bruise.
Experiencing that does make me believe the story of the man who cut his hand off.
It's because adrenaline masks pain when you get badly hurt.
@@rickdingenenzo I mean through the whole experience, during the healing process and all
@@SluggardRaccoon oh okay, maybe you got cut in a part that didn't have that many nerves or it just broke the nerves when you got cut so you couldn't feel it even during the healing.
No one has ever discussed pain without bringing up the hand on a hot stove trope. Not one single time. It's so amazing
At 1:10 what's the difference between a fake placebo and a real placebo?
No hes just describing what a placebo is,fake. Kinda like tuna fish
@@Cane4092 I think you are missing my point, but well done replying to a year old comment with nothing to say though LOL
A fake placebo is a placebo that actually does something vs a real placebo that does nothing ie sugar pill
as someone being tried for torturing 7 people, pain isn't real, I'm innocent
"Your honor, my client did in fact torture seven people. But, let's be honest here, does pain actually hurt?"