Reaaally feel like the anti-Wizard bias is working here. White Wizard's plan was actually okay: he tried to bring about a mass-death type of event that would ultimately bring his dead daughter back to life, who he states was his reason for living. Add on how he did the double duty as Carbuncle/Wiseman and was strong as shit in both states and he's a solid B for me. All three of the show mages are fine. Orange Mage had that whole deal of her becoming a wizard to avenge her sister (killed by Medusa), Blue Mage had a short story about overcoming his fears and became a long-term friend of Beast (ignore that last name), and Green Mage was a dude who fought so that his pregnant wife and their child could survive and live a happy life with him. In terms of those three, I'd go B, D, and C respectively. Automatically dismissing all four to D and Who is kind of harsh.
Yes, she had a nice little storyline during the BD KR Chronicle arc (Before Dan) with her having an existential crisis, which is more than Tsukuyomi had
Yeah, she barely did Jack shit as a rider and as a character. The only thing she's good at is been a plot device. Plus, seen her with Evolto that have far more of a character and personality in the same group literally hurt my soul.
Kamen rider Tsukuyomi deserves to be on the thrash list considering she did barely anything in that form and what she did could be accomplished without her rider form. I'm pretty sure that Marcus don't get Evol as a character. That and seen Evolto that have far more of a character and personality in the same group with Tsukuyomi which is a wet blanket reincarnated literally hurt my soul. Oh and Dan needs to be lower because halfway point, he's basically a walking meme for no reason whatsoever other I'm a mad scientist and Rogue need to be the same list as Dan considering they are a walking meme at the 2/3 of the show.
Still think Evolto should've destroyed Earth given the chance even if he gained emotion and likes the potential humans can bring. Instead he does nothing whilst other Blood Tribe members start running things on their accord and Killbus finally locates where his brother is. Kuroto Dan being a meme felt it was done good for his character because originally he was to be written off after his intentional death and I just think he can deliver much more for Ex-Aid if he stayed. Hell, he provided essentials to support the Doctor Riders (Muteki, Save Item, Doctor Mighty).
@@thatman666 Yeah I agree, Evolto basically have the opposite affect of Cronus. In Ex-aid, the beat Cronus so many times to the point that it is getting tiresome while in Build, they made Evolto so OP and always 2 step ahead of them so they drag out the story just to introduce the black and white Pandora panel to defeat him. That is why I feel like Evolto should have a the same list as Cronus. Still not defending Tsukuyomi though, she should be lower.
Am I missing something? Can someone explain to me why is Poppy in who? Cause they didn't go over why. The fact that they don't explain probably annoys me the most rather than her placement. Yet somehow she ranks lower than Tsukuyomi? Get outta here with that. Really though I feel like Poppy should be higher. She might not have been useful as a rider but she definitely had a strong character arc. At least better than Marika. I'd say B or C for her. Tsukuyomi should be D.
I'd argue that Tsukiyomi COULD have had interesting stuff, but she was bogged down by Zi-O and it being an indecisive mess. So, if we're going by the same logic as to how they judged Marika, agreed.
Don't know why, but Evol and rogue were great extra riders and they don't deserve this low rank. Plus Tiger and Tsukiyomi doesn't deserve this high rank either.
@@lautimhum6734 True. Except for the shirt gimmicks he later got in the season, he's character arc was good. Starting from a corrupted politician to a person who wanted to seek absolute power to someone who'd later understands that it's the people that makes a nation, not powers.
@@sakifahmed2196 True, it is just sad that they only remembered the meme part and not the part where he get brutally beaten near death just so he could be a Kamen Rider or the fact that he have to throw away his pride just to be a Rider or his sacrifice so the new world can be formed. If they managed to enjoy Dan having a 180 and been a cartoon out of no where other than I'm a mad scientist and hated Gentoku who got a explanation on his 180 (as half ass as it is). I'm just shocked.
@@sakifahmed2196 sadly the show itself took the biggest shit on all of that and just turned him into an incredibly annoying comic relief character. That is a complete disrespect to all the build up he had from the beginning of the show, and it makes me angry to this day
I agree with almost everything except for maybe Rogue. Yeah they forced him to be a meme, which it's dumb and obviously a decision to replicate Shin dan kuroto's popularity, but at least he had enough of a character arc to at least be C. I won't even try to argue about Evolt cause he barely counts as extra rider but for consistency i'd put him together with chronos since they share the same problems.
@@thatman666 Same but mostly cause the explanation to why he was evil was weak. I still like his character arc but it wasn't perfect, pretty much summarizes build as a whole
NO!! He's a main protagonist and is a guest-character. The only reason why you want to consider him as a "extra" rider is because you hated Sougo's character in Zi-O.
@@xgray2012 He wasn't basically a guest character. Unlike other legend riders who appeared as guests, Tsukasa and Daiki were actually the part of the show and acted as the series' riders more than the future riders. Plus they had new drivers for the show as well. Also cause of Tsukasa, Swartz was able to became Another Decade, the main villain of the series.
@@sakifahmed2196 But even if that's the case, if they were to include those two in this list, they would receive the same judgement and basically end up in a repeat situation of Garren and Chalice in the Tertiary list.
Ginga is trash, even if his only purpose was to give Woz a final form and push Schwartz into main villain. But I'll give him credit...he was better than Aqua, who just showed up for a unnecessary pep talk, and then to get curb stomped and murdered by Eternal.
This list missed few riders. KR Danki, Sabaki, Eiki, the transformed Akira y Kyousuke from Hibiki. Dark Kabuto, Kamen Rider Amaki from A.R hibiki word of Decade, Dark Ghost y Dark Necrom Pink from Ghost & Nico from Ex Aid.
The only change I would make is moving Raia up to the B tier. I get why you all put him in the C tier because he really didn't do much and he wasn't on long enough to make much of a difference, but I'm partial to his character, so I would have moved Tezuka up to B instead of Imperer. He was just so likable. Other than that, I wouldn't really change anything. I'm just glad you put Zangetsu and Ouja in the S tier. Those were the right calls. Ouja is my favorite Heisei Era Kamen Rider villain (right up there with Shadow Moon, but he's Showa era), and Zangetsu is Takatora Motherbeeping Kureshima, so he had to be there. He ticks all of those stoic badass boxes I like. As for the Build riders... meh. It lost me as a season to check out when they could have used Gentoku as a way to seriously address mental illness and they chose to take the comedic route with that instead. After that, I just lost interest. Haven't watched it, probably not going to either. Seems like I am not going to miss much anyway.
@@sakifahmed2196 It's one thing if you've got a situation like A.R. Kuuga, who was a legitimately different character than the OG, but Decade and Diend are the same people in Zi-O. There's no new judgements to be made that haven't been spoken in previous lists.
Reaaally feel like the anti-Wizard bias is working here.
White Wizard's plan was actually okay: he tried to bring about a mass-death type of event that would ultimately bring his dead daughter back to life, who he states was his reason for living. Add on how he did the double duty as Carbuncle/Wiseman and was strong as shit in both states and he's a solid B for me.
All three of the show mages are fine. Orange Mage had that whole deal of her becoming a wizard to avenge her sister (killed by Medusa), Blue Mage had a short story about overcoming his fears and became a long-term friend of Beast (ignore that last name), and Green Mage was a dude who fought so that his pregnant wife and their child could survive and live a happy life with him. In terms of those three, I'd go B, D, and C respectively. Automatically dismissing all four to D and Who is kind of harsh.
Agreed
There is absolutely nothing that can convince me that these guys didn't zoned out when watching Wizard.
I remember Poppy Pippapo (Kamen Rider Poppy) a lot more as a character a lot than Tsukuyomi.
Yes, she had a nice little storyline during the BD KR Chronicle arc (Before Dan) with her having an existential crisis, which is more than Tsukuyomi had
Friendly Disagreement with Tsunokomi. As a Rider, she belongs in Who?
Yeah, she barely did Jack shit as a rider and as a character. The only thing she's good at is been a plot device.
Plus, seen her with Evolto that have far more of a character and personality in the same group literally hurt my soul.
I seriously don't get why they placed Tsukuyomi over Poppy. Those 2 need to swap placements.
Agreed.
@Zip Zop I respect it but I hate it
Kamen rider Tsukuyomi deserves to be on the thrash list considering she did barely anything in that form and what she did could be accomplished without her rider form.
I'm pretty sure that Marcus don't get Evol as a character. That and seen Evolto that have far more of a character and personality in the same group with Tsukuyomi which is a wet blanket reincarnated literally hurt my soul.
Oh and Dan needs to be lower because halfway point, he's basically a walking meme for no reason whatsoever other I'm a mad scientist and Rogue need to be the same list as Dan considering they are a walking meme at the 2/3 of the show.
Still think Evolto should've destroyed Earth given the chance even if he gained emotion and likes the potential humans can bring. Instead he does nothing whilst other Blood Tribe members start running things on their accord and Killbus finally locates where his brother is.
Kuroto Dan being a meme felt it was done good for his character because originally he was to be written off after his intentional death and I just think he can deliver much more for Ex-Aid if he stayed. Hell, he provided essentials to support the Doctor Riders (Muteki, Save Item, Doctor Mighty).
Oh no, I got him. His position will be better explained in the build review
@@thatman666 Yeah I agree, Evolto basically have the opposite affect of Cronus. In Ex-aid, the beat Cronus so many times to the point that it is getting tiresome while in Build, they made Evolto so OP and always 2 step ahead of them so they drag out the story just to introduce the black and white Pandora panel to defeat him. That is why I feel like Evolto should have a the same list as Cronus.
Still not defending Tsukuyomi though, she should be lower.
@@lautimhum6734 Build should have been 44 episodes long
@@TrajGreekFire Yeah, that Daddy Build arc gotta go away.
Am I missing something? Can someone explain to me why is Poppy in who? Cause they didn't go over why. The fact that they don't explain probably annoys me the most rather than her placement. Yet somehow she ranks lower than Tsukuyomi? Get outta here with that. Really though I feel like Poppy should be higher. She might not have been useful as a rider but she definitely had a strong character arc. At least better than Marika. I'd say B or C for her. Tsukuyomi should be D.
I'd argue that Tsukiyomi COULD have had interesting stuff, but she was bogged down by Zi-O and it being an indecisive mess. So, if we're going by the same logic as to how they judged Marika, agreed.
i wanna know why the third riders are here
I love how Necrom P and Dark Ghost were not included
Why should they?!
@@xgray2012 extra riders
They were on the show
@@omermorgan2276 who cares, it's Ghost after all
@@TrajGreekFire And that's important for know, why?!
Don't know why, but Evol and rogue were great extra riders and they don't deserve this low rank. Plus Tiger and Tsukiyomi doesn't deserve this high rank either.
I agree too, my only problem is that Rogue change way too quickly personally wise.
@@lautimhum6734 True. Except for the shirt gimmicks he later got in the season, he's character arc was good. Starting from a corrupted politician to a person who wanted to seek absolute power to someone who'd later understands that it's the people that makes a nation, not powers.
@@sakifahmed2196 True, it is just sad that they only remembered the meme part and not the part where he get brutally beaten near death just so he could be a Kamen Rider or the fact that he have to throw away his pride just to be a Rider or his sacrifice so the new world can be formed.
If they managed to enjoy Dan having a 180 and been a cartoon out of no where other than I'm a mad scientist and hated Gentoku who got a explanation on his 180 (as half ass as it is). I'm just shocked.
@@sakifahmed2196 sadly the show itself took the biggest shit on all of that and just turned him into an incredibly annoying comic relief character. That is a complete disrespect to all the build up he had from the beginning of the show, and it makes me angry to this day
I don't care how much you don't like Build, you cannot tell me you don't remember anything about Rogue. MadRogue and Evolto yes, but not Rogue.
If only Shinobi were its own season, but no, he's a Woz power-up.
rider time shinobi
Mini series isn't enough as a season.
@@thatman666 It's possible....it's not likely, but the possibility exists
I agree with almost everything except for maybe Rogue. Yeah they forced him to be a meme, which it's dumb and obviously a decision to replicate Shin dan kuroto's popularity, but at least he had enough of a character arc to at least be C. I won't even try to argue about Evolt cause he barely counts as extra rider but for consistency i'd put him together with chronos since they share the same problems.
Never liked how Gentoku copied off Dan and wished he'd stayed a villain rider.
@@thatman666 Same but mostly cause the explanation to why he was evil was weak. I still like his character arc but it wasn't perfect, pretty much summarizes build as a whole
they changed Gentoku because his irl daughter was scared by his role
@@TrajGreekFire ...that's...one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Where was Decade he was the Zi-O extra Rider really lol
NO!! He's a main protagonist and is a guest-character. The only reason why you want to consider him as a "extra" rider is because you hated Sougo's character in Zi-O.
@@xgray2012 I actually liked Sougo but Tsukasa is Tsukasa, but he was basically a main character in the show
@@xgray2012 He wasn't basically a guest character. Unlike other legend riders who appeared as guests, Tsukasa and Daiki were actually the part of the show and acted as the series' riders more than the future riders. Plus they had new drivers for the show as well. Also cause of Tsukasa, Swartz was able to became Another Decade, the main villain of the series.
@@sakifahmed2196 But even if that's the case, if they were to include those two in this list, they would receive the same judgement and basically end up in a repeat situation of Garren and Chalice in the Tertiary list.
Evol and Rogue should have been way higher >:( Agree with the rest of the list though
Ginga is trash, even if his only purpose was to give Woz a final form and push Schwartz into main villain.
But I'll give him credit...he was better than Aqua, who just showed up for a unnecessary pep talk, and then to get curb stomped and murdered by Eternal.
This list missed few riders. KR Danki, Sabaki, Eiki, the transformed Akira y Kyousuke from Hibiki. Dark Kabuto, Kamen Rider Amaki from A.R hibiki word of Decade, Dark Ghost y Dark Necrom Pink from Ghost & Nico from Ex Aid.
All of those either belong in Dark Riders, Movie Riders, and as I've titled it, "whocares"
@@sterlingglover7448 ok, thanks.
The only change I would make is moving Raia up to the B tier. I get why you all put him in the C tier because he really didn't do much and he wasn't on long enough to make much of a difference, but I'm partial to his character, so I would have moved Tezuka up to B instead of Imperer. He was just so likable.
Other than that, I wouldn't really change anything. I'm just glad you put Zangetsu and Ouja in the S tier. Those were the right calls. Ouja is my favorite Heisei Era Kamen Rider villain (right up there with Shadow Moon, but he's Showa era), and Zangetsu is Takatora Motherbeeping Kureshima, so he had to be there. He ticks all of those stoic badass boxes I like.
As for the Build riders... meh. It lost me as a season to check out when they could have used Gentoku as a way to seriously address mental illness and they chose to take the comedic route with that instead. After that, I just lost interest. Haven't watched it, probably not going to either. Seems like I am not going to miss much anyway.
will you do Movie Riders too?
They're going to do a list of Movie + Dark Riders. I've already made the list for them to use, so it's just a matter of time.
@@sterlingglover7448 I see, thank you
you put kami sama and Ciao devil in S tier right this instant or god help me
What about killbas from the cross-z movie he tried to do what evolto couldnt do
Nothing will beat our Overlord Gamemaster.
SHIN DAN KUROTO
some times I feel some have more ten I think they need
After the Zero One show, I would put Jin at Paradox Level and Horobi is a level lower.
Why is Jin and Horobi not included?
They're included way at the bottom.
Saga is more of a Tertiary Rider then an Extra Rider
HOW DARE YOU PUT SHINOBI SO LOW
8:12 spoken like me I like.
Where's female villains/antagonist
Should've included Decade and Diend as well.
Decade is Protagonist Rider and Diend is Secondary Rider.....
@@ridwanwuldannuur959 In Zi-o, they were extra riders.
@@sakifahmed2196 It's one thing if you've got a situation like A.R. Kuuga, who was a legitimately different character than the OG, but Decade and Diend are the same people in Zi-O. There's no new judgements to be made that haven't been spoken in previous lists.
Im a man and i still like poppy
C for cronos
Dan Kiritimati DEUS is SSSSSSS Rank
Dan Kuroto is not an S.
he became a threat later on only because Emu is stupid