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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
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Philip DeFranco hi
Hello
Philip DeFranco you a G
Fuck you man
Philip DeFranco love you Phil
I have an online harrasser called Phil. Every work day he opens up by calling me a bastard and starts ranting. He calls it a conversation but whenever I say something he just pretends I don't even exist.
Roman Bellic mine just calls me nonstop insisting that i'm his cousin and that we should go bowling
He calls me a bastard every day too
I'm dead. lmao. This killed me.
Roman Bellic yeah fuck that guy, always calling people bastards n shit.
OMG 😂😂😂 I'm dying😂😂😂
that last story where that security guard got more followers than the "Instagram model" who said he was irrelevant made my day like that is why I love the Internet😂
same that was just amazing
It was truly poetic.
Now I'm just hoping he is able to turn this into his own cash cow somehow.
It's the least the universe can do after throwing that gibbering ball of flith at him.
Trinity Joseph I like your profile pic 😌
what's the security guards instagram
Trinity Joseph amazing !!!!!
not quite sure why but this was recommended to me in my dash today
I just got recommended it today! On my recommended page underneath the video he put out today
Same
@@emac7050 same
Same
You gotta stay up to date with the news from 4 years ago
Who else got this recommended to them 3 years later? Like, I still watch Phil and (n)ever get recommended his new stuff, but UA-cam is gonna throw this at me 3 years too late???
Same! It got recommend today, very strange.
Same lol
Yup
Same very wierd
Oh shit, just realized this was from 2017, was trying to figure out how VidCon happened like that with the pandemic. He didn't mention social distancing at alll. Makes so much more sense now.
The problem with Anita Sarkeesian is that she is routinely guilty of the same behaviours she accuses her detractors of; misrepresenting situations, using her audience as attack dogs on critics, and courting controversy for fame. Repeatedly, I have met feminists who state that her public actions do more harm than good for the movement.
Don't forget she asked for hundreds of thousand of $ for her "Tropes vs women" project,and we all know how that ended up.IMO,she just a professional victim who jumped on the "feminist" train for money and fame.What's sad/hilarious is that she found idiots to sponsor her behavior.
Her and Ana Kasparian from YT are huge hypocrites...they are like an abyss on the inside...
She's literally a professional scam artist. I mean, look into her history.
Meh, it's not your money. People wanted to sponsor her video and they gave her money out of their own free will. It's irrelevant how much money and how over inflated you think those videos were. She sold her project well and people wanted to buy into it. That's capitalism baby.
Rick Boost yep by her definition calling him a "shithead" would be harassment
The main issue with Anita, and most mainstream feminist voices, is that they can't, or aren't willing, to differentiate between harassment and criticism. Disagreeing with you is not harassment and neither is sitting quietly in an audience listening.
True enough and apparently even sitting down is harassment.
Critical Nobody did you just assume my gender
Critical Nobody and always victimizing themselves when women and men point out that extreme feminism is that women are superior when it should be equality. It annoys me for the rest of the call women who don't brand themselves for fear of being linked.
Critical Nobody that is true, but if someone who keeps bugging you is sitting in front of ya, you're not gonna like that, right? Try to see it from her perspective.
But he didn't just sit down. If he had just gone to the panel that would have been fine, but he sat in the very front row and bought an entourage. Imagine if someone had been threatening to kill you, or in some way hurt you in some way, (I dont know if he had done that but lets make an example). And they had done that to you everyday for 3 years, and then you go to work and they are at your work, sitting there, smiling at you. It was 100% supposed to be an aggressive and intimidating action.
Go to the panel sure but don't try and hijack it to grab attention for yourself and also threaten someone you harass.
i like that the internet turned christian's own words against him, turning Joseph into a more famous, overall more liked internet personality!
Kyra Hughes who is that?
Kyra Hughes I followed him 😂😂
Agh Christian burns has an original vid about a guy being tackled and choked and him defending him about the words that he said on that vid I know it was too much but really you believe that oh well. Whatever you believe man anyways you know vidcon security are just being feared by every going to vidcon and young people being slammed on the wall and other people being tackled and choked
Ugh that Christian , unimportant millennials and their tide pods. Insulting blue collar workers! Go away
Can't read or hear Joseph without thinking on JoJo
Well man, just wanna thank you for your comment defending blue collar workers. Being one and having many family members who are also blue collar workers it relieves me to know people still appreciate what we do. It's hard work that doesn't get a whole lot of recognition even though what we do is depended on by pretty much everyone. Whether that be HVAC, plumbing, mechanic, electrician, carpenter, construction workers, oilfield workers, truck drivers, farmers, etc.
JMan9191991 my husband does HVAC and he works his ass off and I don’t think you guys are paid or appreciated enough for the crap you put up with, the skill set, and pure elbow grease you do
JMan9191991
I respect you
I can't even say if Logan Paul or RiceGum have responsibility because I honestly think the only reason they did these stunts was to fuel their ego and to feel like "superstars". They didn't wan't to meet fans, it was only for their personal gain imo.
Sophie McCarthy It's so totally to make them feel better about themselves. Not too long ago Logan flew a little kid out to LA to meet him and to and imo he did it for publicity and to make himself look like a good guy, furthering his image online.
For real though, it's such a thin veil I guess his young viewers just can't see past. You can see it so obviously in his vlogs, I've only watched a few but he just thinks so highly of himself. Not to mention he is not a good person - known for bullying and harassing people online and to their face (Check out JessiSmiles) and everyone also seems to forget the fact that he was friends with Sam Pepper when all that shit was going down?!?!
He tries to make it seem satirical too. All the time he'll roast himself about his practices. If you ask me it's all to lessen the negative reception that comes with it. Logan Paul is a child. He admits this. It's why he attracts 12 year olds as his audience.
Absolutely fake individual. Everything he does in his vlogs is orchestrated.
Logan will realize that the lifestyle he is leading is empty and void, it happens to anyone who is crazed about fame. The question here is, how long will it take?
I think the saddest part is that they are 100% aware of what they're doing & what can happen, but they don't care about their followers like they claim they do, or they wouldn't be putting them in a situation where they can get hurt. If you have a younger following - pull your head in and act like an adult.
All the humble and hard working blue collar workers are the reason celebrities can live comfortably. Give them, give everyone with a job respect.
You should have just stopped at everyone.
+Arvo Desloovere Not everyone deserves respect thats for DAMN sure
That Instagram model is a sad excuse for a human being lol
Why did this appear in my notifications 3 years late?
Nothing better than having a video showup in your feed that is like 5 years old.
I personally think Logan Paul is in the wrong here. Sure, he didn't get invited so he wanted to still show up, but you have to understand the problems that can cause. And it seemed like he wanted to make a huge ruckus with everyone crowding around him. Having hundreds of people running around can be very unsafe for those who are just looking for a good time at VidCon. People could have easily gotten hurt or even trampled on. That's just my opinion.
he has no control over his fans and it still wasn't a good enough reason for security to "tackle" him
Spot on!
He acted like an idiot... people could've been serioulsy injured.
I definitely agree with you. Wasn't there something similar to this that happened just a year or two ago? Where someone had fans running wild at vidcon for some sort of scavenger hunt, that was so dangerous that they had it shut down?
That person back then was in the wrong, and Logan Paul is in the wrong here, too. You would think that even though he wasn't invited, he would've been at least somewhat responsible and tried to look into some of these things first... Oh wait.
When you become a UA-camr with 5 million plus subs, you gotta think about more than just yourself. There were people who most likely traveled to VidCon just to see Logan. And if you see him, you are going to do everything in your power to interact with him. So now you and hundreds of others are in a stamped to get Logan's attention. Yes, the craziness is partly because of fans, but it is also due to Logan being there to begin with. And all the security sees is someone causing a lot of trouble. He doesn't know who Logan is.
I'm not convinced he actually got tackled. It looks like he had multiple people hanging on to him, escorting him away and one went down and pulled the whole group down.
It seems like Anita just did to Sargon what she labels as harassment. She's delusional if she thinks her logic doesn't apply to men too. Feminism is supposed to be about equality, not a heavy bias towards women. This new "professional victim feminism" is tainting classic feminism.
NerdECrafter perfectly said!!
Agree
But remember, as someone on that panel, and I believe Francesca Ramsey Also said in a tweet, "You can't expect women to be strong enough to handle criticism on the internet." So they sincerely don't view the sexes as equally capable.
I can only assume she thinks like this: an adult(man) hitting a kid(woman) is not acceptable but a kid(woman) hitting an adult(man) is acceptable.
differrence is there are feminists and then there are the feminazis like anita and francesca
rainynight02 Fran never said that. Being barraged with the level of hate they get is a pretty unique and awful experience. They're definitely stronger than the dudes who express hate for them. And yeah, it's not simply criticism, it's dehumanizing disrespect and cruel digs about their looks and race and and gender, calling them slurs like sluts and cunts and retards and being overwhelmingly misogynistic and insulting their husbands and boyfriends as well as making threats of rape and violence - and this by the cohort with the online power, the popular cool kids/boys, for years and years. Laci's reaction of breaking down and crying when finally confronting one of her primary harassers and letting him know how his disrespect effected her and what his fans had been doing (though he probably knew about a lot of it already) stems from the same place of hurt as Anita's reaction. Crying makes you look more vulnerable and sympathetic and soft but is not the only understandable reaction to have to meeting your bully. You'd think these women were murderers with level of hate and contempt directed their way. It's crazy to me that so few, Phil included, can understand how seeing your biggest tormenter in the audience could upset you. Serious lack of empathy for harassed women who don't act sweet enough here.
Anita is against bulling. Unless its her doing it.
true, he is no angel tough, he did more than 30 videos borderline(and not) insulting her and laying and misrepresenting her
@@qoobfoodisnotgood7457- he's no angel, but neither is she.
Yet only one of them used their position of power to publicly harass and villify the other. And - (un)surprisingly - it wasn't the white male :V
@@Magepure6749 Even in America, he would be prosecutable by law for defamation and harassment, since he also knew and approved of his followers' behavior towards her. Completely uncalled for, I still don't get what all of you think she has done that is so wrong, it's not justifiable and it's too childish.
I'm happy she is at it again :)
Recommended today! 🔥
Same, but 3 days later
I wanna like DeFranco and his channel but he keeps calling me a bastard...
CokeBlue at least he calls me a beautiful bastard
CokeBlue a beautiful bastard ;)
We are all beautiful bastards ❤
UA-cam needs gifs so that I can reply with Jon Snow right now...
I wanna hate DeFranco and his channel but he keeps calling me beautiful...
Thank you for the proper credit Phillip, I highly appreciate it. You are by far my favorite news channel. My clip has been reuploaded and stolen everywhere and many people give no credit at all.
Yo. Keep up your work, Its great and you're going to go places. Im glad Phil Linked you guys, Im subscribed. Keep your content up. :)
SuperFilmyGuys adding you
Isn't it crazy how the best news channel is technically a reaction to the news channel?
Kudos, sir, for good camerawork and content.
"No because I love men, and I think the idea of 'raise women to power, take the men away from the power' is never going to work out because you need balance...My biggest thing is really sisterhood more than feminism. I don't know how we as women expect men to respect us because we don't seem to respect each other."
--Shailene Woodley
this is all im gonna say
Why not both?
And now she's a feminist....
well what she's describing /is/ feminism-- feminism is not about women over men, it is about equality/equity; an equal respect for women and men
Really? Never saw anything about this.
xzouv, in definition yes,in actual actions,not even near
I love this guy, I agree with him 100%. this guy is very logical
internetchaosx agreed
I think Sargon and Anita are garbage.
Does anyone else ever type out their two cents, then delete it because they can't be bothered with some of the facepalm responses they know they will get?
All the fucking time
Millions watch. Thousands comment. The minority are made up of people with a genuine question, those confident enough in a statement or idea to share it and the majority of this minority are often idiots.
Sometimes I even type it out twice.
Yeah. There's a lot of times I write a long response to something and then say screw it and delete the whole thing because I really don't want to deal with people. Lol
omg yes!!!!
Criticism IS NOT HARASSMENT. Anita is a professional victim. She should have been kicked out.
This, if she was left handed she likely look for funding to show how shoes are designed in a way to bully her
Alcheya She refuses to debare because it hurts her funding. She has been disproven more times than I can count, she hates people more intelligent than her and she is shady as fuck, hence why she censors everything, she wants to say jump and you say how high, so time for asking why.
Oh yea, and I'm sure if she actually was removed or even warned about her actions, she'd just use it to get more funding, and she would, because those people are suckers. Rather than helping poor folks or donating to a cause that actually helps anyone, they'd rather line her pockets. Scumbags, the lot of them.
Some of what Sargon has said can be considered libel.
Anita was completely out of line especially considering her panel was supposedly about anti-bullying she even went so far as to bully another one of her panelists in the same day simply for disagreeing with her.
But it's no shock because that's how she makes her money. Anita is a professional victim she goes out of her way to make ridiculous claims claiming that other people (initially gamers and game designers) are all racist and sexist then when anyone dares to do as much as say "no I think you're wrong and here's why..." suddenly she's the victim.
What a shock, Vidcon did nothing and that's because it's gotten to the point that big companies and organizations are scared of being called racist or sexist since those labels are flung around so loosely now as to have effectively lost any meaning other than you dared disagree with a social justice warrior on something.
harassment lever you get $100,000+.
Candi Chris
I'm pretty sure Boogie has suffered more than she has. He's had hits carried out on his life and been abused by his own mother.
Difference is that Boogie doesn't treat people like shit simply because life dealt him a shitty hand like Anita does. Plus Anita provokes people intentionally so she can play the harassment card. She's proven that she's everything she supposedly hates.
Candi Chris So she has every right to bully her critics?
Logan Paul is no better than that "IG Model"...he was just feeding his own ego, causing a scene so he could bask in his 'fame' and hype at the expense of safety and security. It was a totally calculated move; Logan should feel ashamed of himself.
Looks like you've predicted the future, dude. A few months after this he filmed himself and his scumbag friends laughing at/making jokes about a deceased man in the Japanese Suicide Forest. It was the most callous thing I've ever seen (and that's saying a lot).
Anita is basically the McDonald's of feminism. cheap and unhealthy. she will use any criticism as a way to portray herself as a victim. it's pathetic. she's a hypocrite
Greedo Yeah McDonald's isnt that bad
Mario Pendic That's an insult to McDonald's. At least McDonald's tastes good.
wake up people mcdonalds is killing yall
Uber will at least deliver McNuggets. I've never seen Uber deliver Anita.
Mario Pendic h3h3 video
It's funny that Anita brings up Franny. One of Franchesca Ramsey's biggest critics attended her panel. The critic, Andy Warski, and Franchesca then met up after the panel and are now on at least better terms.
Dillon Green #frandy
It's funny, especially since they came to terms and agree on somethings
These are the women who give feminism a bad name! There's important women who stand up for ACTUAL issues and then there's women like this who are the problem! She also attacked Boogie who is literally one of the nicest you tubers! I wonder if phillip will follow up on what happened to Boogie???
No, seriously man. Actual competent feminists exist, not like those ignorant, loud, and obnoxious ones that scream in your face if you say hi to them.
Link or it didn't happen.
Nicole ladybeast7 I totally agree. Women like these who claim to be “feminists” give the actual ones a horrible reputation.
I wish people could take two seconds to look up the difference between feminism and radical feminism
You're going to need a lot longer than two seconds.
Face it, the movement has been hijacked for decades.
I'm with the CIA person on this. Feminism had evolved into this simple-minded cult of hatred in the same vein as religion, where you have to step on the most ridiculous of egg shells to remain being accepted. It has far left behind its dictionary definition that's sited all the time. I found it best to drop the term and all the baggage that comes with it and embrace the term "egalitarian".
Michael Edwards
That would be giving in then, wouldn't it? We should be restoring the name for figures like Elizabeth Cady Stanton who fought for women's rights, not to shy away from feminazis. We're letting them tarnish the name and erase what women long ago have worked for to build this country.
It's a problem of semantics. Both sides are making the mistake of ignoring that the other side's use of the term isn't any less valid than theirs.
Feminism CAN be used to refer to sexual egalitarianism.
Feminism CAN be used to refer to the social movement of people who call themselves feminists, even if they're not egalitarian.
People just need to understand that the two definitions of feminism aren't equivalent.
The use of the word "feminism" is often misleading because of this, but it's not wrong. I do agree with Michael to an extent - calling yourself an egalitarian can help get rid of the ambiguity in some ways, but then you just have even more ambiguity because both people who believe in equal rights and opportunity (libertarians, anarcho-communists) and people who believe in equal outcomes (stalinists, SJWs) both call themselves egalitarian.
Nathan Gamble the difference is feminism focus on women's rights and egalitarians focus on everyone's rights including men's rights. I agree that they're both valid but you can't put them in the same boat. That's really not fair.
The 'instagram model' kid and his behavior is absolutely disgusting..
A perfect caricature of the American-west-coast-rich-extroverted-kid-stereotype.
Throw his ass in the Congo with a knife and some matches. That might humble him, if he could even survive three days.
I find it worrying how Logan Paul led the crowd of teens through a fountain then across what looked like polished stone steps, if that isn't a cause for concern I don't know what is. But inciting a mob to cause potential damages to people and property is on him. Reckless endangerment for a viral video.
I saw someone who was seeking attention at the expense of others. Logan Paul has to find a better and safer way to do fan meetups.
I'll laugh my ass off if they send him a bill for all of the landscaping damage that crowd did.
I think these people need to start using their brain but a crowd draws people it's human instinct. He needs to think about how much danger he put his fans in. It just shows he doesn't care about them or their safety. Having fame needs to come with certain responsibilities. He is responsible for this mob and the harm caused. If we don't place responsiblity on someone for inviting something they purposefully did then we fail as a society. This doesn't mean your responsible when your fans go and harass (or threaten) someone else, unless you tell them to do so and encourage the behavior. This is why you have senators and actors making statements against violence.
i love how 90% of these comments are about anita but almost none of them are about christian burns
Never heard of him.
Really? I found a few
They're both shitty people
Well, he was doing that to call for attention and we are fighting that by not granting him the attention he wants
Who?
re: "Preferential treatment" and "history"... If you are attacked repeatedly by an individual over time, you'd be foolish not to predict more attacks. If that person then appears in a crowd that clearly contains multiple hostile people, it makes it understandable that a person stuck on stage with a giant target on them strikes first. The context matters.
One sentence:
"Not knowing the rules doesn't excuse you from breaking them."
In any situation or a public venue, this is true in any circumstances. Otherwise, it's a mess.
It doesn't excuse you from breaking them, but it makes you less of a bad person. These rules aren't really about morality. It's different then saying you didn't know whether or not its okay to kill, because thats obviously not morally okay. Giving your fans 3,000 is morally okay whether or not its against or supporting the rules.
True because all it does is encourages people _not_ to read the rules because if they break one they can just claim to not have known. Rules are only rules if they're enforced without any special treatments.
+Eyral Arkin you're missing my point. Intentions in the venues of such caliber are usually less important than the consequences.
Hypothetical example: I came into the VidCon lobby to give people that came to meet me free merch because they already paid $150 for a ticket, and I don't wanna make them pay more. In the result of a stampede, five people were severely injured.
The fact of giving your fans 3,000 is morally okay.
Creating a dangerous, property-destroying, stampeding mob of 12 to 16 year olds while doing so? Not so much. Especially when you know what the consequences of your actions are going to be in advance.
Rules are there for a reason.
Anyone else get this recommended 4 years later?
same lmaooo
why was this recommended today?...
Anita is in the wrong. Sargon even went so far to put in at the end of a couple of his videos saying "dont visit the people he critizied."
She ended the conversation to people who are critical of her. Then proceeded to slander and lie about someone who didn't even say anything to her.
I have no sympathy for Anita. She goes on line, shoots her mouth off, and then when people express opposing viewpoints she calls it harassment. I am embarrassed that she's a Canadian.
You have no idea how many girls follow her in Vancouver, now UBC is fostering a sensitive politically correct environment where any attempt at criticism is tied to anti-feminists or right wing politics.
yiwei wu I actually didn't go to ubc cus I was scared of that.
And we just lost another talent :(
McMahonHater We're all embarrassed.
Three years later and no idea why this video was recommended. I remember watching it live. Funny how this all played out overtime
I love how fair and honest you are on this show... not something you see everyday, especially with people who are famous via social media. Love it.
I'm sorry but that "instagram model" isn't even attractive. Not sure where his ego comes from, because he's at most a 6/10
MrIlleatyourcookies 😂😂
MrIlleatyourcookies He's barely a 4. C'mon now.
and his hair? omg he looks like he belongs in a 80s boyband
his hair looked like cauliflower LUL
I feel like she would be insulted that you compared her, a legendary super saiyan, to such a mortal as him.
Logan Paul knew exactly what the reaction would be and was counting on it. You don't do stunts like that not expecting that reaction. So yes, he should be held accountable. It was premeditated.
Mitchell Guthrie for the views
Personally I think Anita is in the wrong. She really should try and have a discussion with him instead of call him a shit head. Her saying that stuff like really makes her argument and her causes less reputable. But yet again that's just me
Also I do think what Anita did should get her banned from vidcon
She gets money from playing the victim so she will never admit when she is wrong. Her video series is awful and contains plenty of factual errors.
You all don't know what you're talking about, because if you did, you'd know she's only responding to a harrasser who has done much worse than call her a name in a panel. Honestly, had I been Sarkeesian, I'd have straight-up asked for security to remove that human trash from the premise.
Sargon is a fucking waste of a human being.
+Nadia Rey He has never harassed her. You're just making shit up. Responding to someone isn't harassment. But we already know that Anita can't stand criticism.
Oh for Pete's sake. Yes, he has harrassed her. All of these self-appointed critics are harrassers, not only of her but of anyone enjoying her videos. The same people who will cry for open debate yet their so-called critic rarely survives scrutiny or goes beyond calling the girl insults or claiming she is a "con artist" (she isn't, don't even try going there, I'll own you). And people like Sargon egged it on all the way... for five fucking years. Look up her name in google or youtube so you can see the extent ignorant people would go to harrass this girl, because she *dared* said she'd give opinion (gasp! That evil wrench!) on sexism in games...
...or watch one of hbomberguy videos on feminism. That works too.
These old videos really bring me back to simpler times with the tamer news cycles.
Side note: maybe Vidcon should have more specific rules about unattended minors.
So it's ok for a "feminist" to "man-hate" but when people are hating on her, it's harassment? Well ok then 🐸☕️
When are people going to realize that Sarkeesian is hyper-defensive because she is a scammer? She doesn't dare debate anyone openly because her critics would confront her on the use of the donation money she collects. She's primarily interested in becoming rich.
I love how ignorant and ridiculous your comment is, it made me laugh out loud thinking there is a actually a person out there being so brainwashed to hate a woman speaking up against sexism, that they have to make things up to get their hate out.
1. She has turned off comments/ways to contact her because of all the abuse she has (and still is in some places) receiving. You blaming her for the actions of people like you just shows how ridiculous you are, and how you have no valid arguments against her.
2. Anyone has the right to do Kickstarters etc for their projects, where people SUPPORT them by *free will* . It's hilarious that you're so outraged by so many people wanting to support her important work, and very typical in that you, laughably, use it as an argument to harass her with.
3. She is to this day still producing educational shows, and she is often booked as a public speaker or for her appearance, informing, highlighting and discussing sexism going on in the world. This is her job, and it's ridiculous you think she should do it for free.
You are really bad at this, try again.
Please provide us with one example of Anita debating someone or responding to legitimate criticism. If someone spouts a bunch of opinions, then is unable to debate it, they are likely a scammer. Sorry to burst your bubble.
She had a kickstarter; was stuck at $6,000;
Made a huge claim about sexism, went up to over $100,000.
The brain is very smart, and learns very well. When our ancestors found a berry bush, they remembered it, because of the payout it gave them.
Any coincidence she holds on so hard to being triggered and harassed because she made a cool six figures off it?
Even if consciously, she tells herself she's doing it for one reason; unconsciously she has a dopamine reward circuit in place for being harassed and receiving contributions / attention.
Ischys Syrra
1. If she cannot take criticism and/or insults, she is a pansy and a horrible representation of her version of feminism since she can’t stand up for herself.
2. That does not change the fact she often doesn’t do the things she claims she wants to do.
3. That doesn’t block criticism.
Thank you. I'm blue collar and proud! Tired of people using it as something negative.
They need to stop inviting these "creators" that make 7 second videos or dance like animals over copyrighted music - and start inviting people that have been at this for a long time and that actually CARE about what they are creating and putting out there online.
Anita - nobody FORCED you to go to VidCon -stay home if you can't take the heat - I'm sure there's a ton of other real creators that would have loved to have the opportunity to be invited to VidCon and be on panels. Instead they invite the clowns you see in this video. (Except Phil, he's awesome) -_-
I actually did go to VidCon this year - spent $750 on an industry badge. I think VidCon needs to do a little more research on the types of creators they are inviting to be featured so crap like this doesn't happen again. It's very unprofessional and gives the entire community a bad rap IMO.
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Matt3756 hey dude I am your subscriber from grade a undera
Sounds like you're talking about good old pie there to me. lol
''Anti-Bullying, Anti-Harrasing'' *Starts talking shit about somebody on Public Event'' Wow... Ironic
Seems to be a common thing amoung far-left people who call themselves "anti-something" (Anti-fascists being fascist as fuck, anti-racists being racist as fuck) It's like they claim those titles just to excuse their bigotry. "I can't be a bigot, I'm anti-bigots!"
You don't know the history between them.
corvus13 regardless it's hypocritical. not to mention it was someone in the crowd not even asking questions. I feel that VidCon should remove her.
She made some assertions about sexism. He made some videos saying that he disagreed with her findings. That is the history between them.
corvus13 doesnt matter if he had seen her in his panel and called her a garbage human he would be thrown away.
wtf why did I get recommended this 4yrs later
Anyone else randomly get this recommended to them?
Fun Fact: Sargon has offered Anita several chances to respond and debate with him.
Fun Fact: Sargon has told his fans to never harass Anita.
^^ Truth. Very important truth.
oh! sargon said NOT to? WELL, THEEEN!!... .. o rite, nobody listens to anyone on the internet, o rite..
what?
aysikl what is your point? He can't control his followers, telling them not to and explaining why is literally the best he can do
The point is HE can control what he does and what HE does is normalizes attacking feminists personally on the internet. Making his living trashing people he disagrees with then, after the fact, saying, "Hey, cut it out you guys. Seriously." is cowardly BS.
She doesn't not understand the difference between harassment and criticism
She's a moron. There's not an intelligent brain for her to use.
Remember if you ever criticize a woman, thats mansplaining and thats harassment.
I think the one of the most famous examples of a fan doing something in the name of a celebrity; is when John Hinckley tried to kill Reagan for Jodie Foster. another famous example is when Mark Chapman shot John Lennon and started reading Catcher in the Rye. I don't believe either example should be blamed on their respective celebrities, but on the disturbed persons who committed those crimes. The only time that a youtuber should be held responsible is if they explicitly tell fans to do something illegal. If you don't believe these examples don't hold any ground in the argument that youtuber's should be held responsible for what their fans do. I can't think of any other arguments other than those two.
We live in an age where just sitting there, mixed with hundreds of people, is harassing. VidCon apologized to Anita and I'm losing even more faith in humanity.
Anita is just trying to peddle her bullshit again. Sargon wouldn't just go and punch someone clear in the face like Anita claims he would. He simply wants to see how she acted in real time in front of a real audience. Sargon was definitely in the right here, as he did nothing disruptive or threatening to the panel in any way what so ever. She simply attacks whoever she wants and then hides behind her victimhood shield and crying "hate speech, harassment, bullying!" She is not someone you can argue with on equal grounds, as if the debate is perfectly unbiased she has no advantage over you.
if the roles have been reversed in any way shape or form, Sargon would have immediately been reprimanded and kicked off the panel as a result. it's disgusting how flagrantly abuse of power in that scenario is. It's not fair to Sargon, it's not fair to his audience, it's not fair to anyone who had to sit there and listen to this woman berate him simply for buying a ticket and attending her show. I can guarantee you have the roles been reversed, Sargon would have faced immediate massive scrutiny and would have been shunned universally by the media and anyone there attending who had no idea what Anita Sarkeesian's true motives are.
Making valid points criticizing someone IS NOT harassment! Simply sitting in the front row listening to someone speak also IS NOT harassment! How these people have such little self-awareness is just beyond me.
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But muh feelz.
Anita is what I drop in the toilet twice a day.
I love how she seemed to only expect adoring fans in the crowd. If you challenge points online and people have the chance to personally tell you their opinions on the matter they will fucking do so.
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Why would someone attack, or harass, someone because a celebrity, or anyone, doesn't like someone... that's freaking crazy to me
That last story with the model... It's poetic justice.
In Logan Paul's case I'd say he's at fault. When you know your fan base is a bunch of crazy 12-year olds, you shouldn't pull shit like that. His core fan base would run up to him and scream, whilst your core fan base would say "Hey, it's Phil!" And shake your hand. He's at fault.
I think if you show up somewhere with the intent to cause a scene and someone gets hurt in said scene, you are at fault.
I mean i completely agree that he's at fault, he did some crazy stuff that he should've known would cause a ruckus and is exactly what vidcon wants to avoid, but blaming it on what his audience is comprised of isn't exactly fair. Regardless of the age of your largest viewer base, be it 8 year olds or 72 year olds, the creators should be treated equally as if they did the same stuff.
FratinandMadrik
I was at Phil's meet-up in London a couple years back and he didn't have security or anything as he didn't think he needed it but yeah, we were all older than 12 but we still crowded him (I was towards the back/middle so I actually was trying to get people to give him space but I'm just one small person) and tried to get a pic/signature, he fled the scene as it was a safety and security risk, which is why eventually he came back and you had to get a pass as he had to pay for security... so no, this just happens with anyone any age who has a large audience, which kinda proves your point even strongly, if (mostly) calm and collected mostly 16-30 year olds can still put Phil in harms way, a bunch of 12 year olds are even worse.
I've met Christian in real life's handful of times since we live in similar areas and from my experience he's always been a total douchebag. I'm not surprised.
Emily Chiddy can you elaborate on your experiences, I'm curious on what else he did lol.
burgerkillsyou yeah he is honestly just super self absorbed. The first thing he ever said to me was that he was Instagram famous. He made fun of my friend for following more people on Instagram than followers she had. He also tried to hook up with a friend of mine and became very rude after she explained that she had a boyfriend. He's just generally very egotistical and a bit of a douchebag
Anita Sarkeesian: Calling me a liar when I lie is HARASSMENT AND I WILL NOT TAKE IT!
Here's a perfect example of cyber bullying and cyber stalking and stalking in real life. Society still doesn't acknowledge how a sociopath can easily start shit online and cause a lot of emotional damage to a person. Then just show up and smirk and just sit there and use their mere presence as a trigger because they KNOW they've already created a hostile atmosphere. This is how sociopaths get their victims to look like the bad guys. I had an asshole at work that would whisper to me sexually harassing things even threatening my job because he was my supervisor. But in public and in front of our department manager, he was all sweet and respectful. He'd even say nice things to my bosses about me. So when i complained about him to HR and my managers, they would shake their heads and thought I was unreasonable. This is how a sociopath works, folks!
I have no doubt Anita felt harassed and her feelings are valid. The problem is she needed to keep her cool and fight fire with fire. Wait until he comes up for a question, or one of his Flying Monkeys and THEN logically and reasonably discuss how the online harassment and cyber bullying makes it so hard for her and other women to keep their cool now that their bullies are in front of them acting all sweet and nice. Anita should have requested an apology for specific comments done online. She should have searched her phone for screenshots of online convos and read them out loud during the panel and asked if said parties wanted to apologize. Poor Anita took the bait hook line and sinker.
Yeah, especially since his first video, as well as many of his earlier videos from 2014-16 was about her. At least now that he's gone full on ethno-nationalist, he's lost all relevancy and is almost completely forgotten
Paraphrase of Anita's statement: "if you're in my line of sight and you don't agree with my opinions, you're harassing me." For God's sake, Anita, there's no need to cry wolf every time you see a dog. Shutting down and belittling people for having dissenting opinions is one of the reasons people don't want to publicly support feminism.
Heath McCasland This person gets it.
Well said.
Heath McCasland I agree 100%
I honestly do not understand her and most Feminists logic in that. Rationale discourse with those who one disagrees is not a bad thing. It actually can help one's position. By understanding the opposite side and why they think that way, that can cause self-introspection. And that can be a good thing. It allows one to figure out if their beliefs or ideas on the world stand up. But who knows? Maybe, I am being crazy in this case. It is why I often categorize most feminists as regressive and poisoning the well, as opposed to sharing it/ adding to that well of knowledge.
As a Canadian, I apologize for the existence of Anita Sarkeesian.
I apologize for him too
Justin Bieber is from Canada...
I only wanted to refer to people in this video, but I do apologize for him and every other person like them
Go back, mapleback.
You also gave us Hugh Jackman and ZeRoyalViking, so we'll call it even.
My biggest pet peeve is when people use the word irrelevant to sound smart but they always use it incorrectly.
11:55 *When the person you screamed YOU’RE IRRELEVANT AND UGLY AF, becomes more popular than you*
Anita doesn't know the difference between criticism and harassment. Honestly she needs to be called out for all her lies, manipulation, and the scams she has pulled.
It scares me how much money people give her for no reason.
I really hate the "they're just stupid teens with undeveloped brains" excuse. I'm 15 and nothing in my life would make me chase a 23-year-old though a fountain through a stampede of hundreds of people. He's just a person who got luckier than other people. Not a god.
Same !!! I'm fifteen and I am not that obsessed with anyone to put myself in a situation like that tbh
that's what they all say before people like him talks to you. There are whole meme genres based on that
I remember when I was around 13 my class and I were on a fieldtrip I saw my favorite actor at the time and I wanted to go meet him but I don't really care if famous people notice me. Seconds later my class almost tackles him and I was the only one that got his autograph. Guess it pays to not be savage.
i see, just because you do or dont do something, specifically and personally, means the rest of the world should be like that and is weird if not. That really is a 15yo thought process ;)
You're right personally I don't feel the need to potentially injure myself just to meet an otherwise regular person. Sorry my bad.
Why did the UA-cam algorithm push this on me 4 years later...?
Well i think that she had the opportunity to directly confront to the guy that has been harassing her 🙄
Ironic how he called himself famous because he had 29k followers on Insta now the security guard has twice the followers and the model is losing all his followers
I'm so happy Logan Paul got kicked out. When he was running around and attracting a crowd him and his fans almost knocked over my mom who has difficulty getting around (she has ankle problems and limps so she couldn't get out of the way). He has zero respect for other people and should not be allowed back at vidcon.
sarah.mek went to that vlog and essentially said the same thing
sarah.mek I'm a security guard and no lie what we do is find these fuckers take our uniforms off, know the blind spots and FUCK them up we do that in the UK and hearing about your mom nearly got hurt got to me hope she's doing well
Im getting the impression that he's just a hyperactive douche.
Causing basically a stampede of fans is just incredibly dumb and dangerous. Maybe he should hire someone to just be there to say "dont do that shit" when he comes up with an idea like that. Like a handler.
Hell maybe a leash too...
this is important to pay attention to
sarah.mek He said in the vlog that he was sorry if anyone was effected negatively, common at least he had the decency to own up to his mistakes and apologize he has some respect for people. Also sorry for your mom, I'll pray for her
I see what you're saying, and I'm glad that you would personally attend the panels of someone you've clashed with in order to keep an open mind, but I think you're giving a lot of benefit of the doubt to other people in assuming they'd be the same way.
Take as an example, over the last year and a half I've had a particular person harass me across every single social platform on which I'm present - over that period the messages have developed from common or garden creepy, to threatening suicide, to violent/sexually threatening, to just the same innocuous phrase 800+ times over one night, to at least one message every day for the entirety of 2016 and beyond. By the end they were just leaving a single word on any and every post I made anywhere; it in itself didn't mean anything, but (like an anti-safeword) it was the culmination of all of those horrible things that came earlier and served as a deliberate reminder that no matter where I went or what I did I wouldn't be able to escape it.
Clearly it's different, but you can see how something which, from an outside perspective, looks harmless can be perceived as immensely threatening with the whole picture in mind. I'm making no comment on whether what Sarkeesian said was just, but I certainly have empathy towards someone who, when feeling understandably vulnerable and threatened (whether that was intended against them or not), reacted with defensive anger.
Well algorithm what brings this now to me?
Its funny she mention Franchesca Ramsey. One of the people there named Andy Warski has made far, far more videos and harsher criticism of Franchesca Ramsey than Sargon had of Sarkeesian. However at vidcon Andy and Franny met up, had a long conversation 1 to 1, made a huge deal of progress, and managed to put aside their huge dislike of each other. They acted incredibly maturely, made a lot of progress, and nobody felt "harassed" "intimidated" or any other form of victimhood. Anita needs to stop speaking for other people, she was wrong about Franny, she was wrong about rape victims, she was wrong about cripples, she was wrong with just about every single group she tries to speak for. Especially when the latter two are openly begging her to stop.
C'mon world, we need more women like Olivia here!
If you haven't seen it yet, Andy did a podcast today listening to a podcast that Frannie did. Sounded like she was saying he was groveling for her to forgive him or some nonsense and saying that he was trying to use her for superchat money or something. Could be wrong, only listened to around 5 minutes or so, but didn't sound flattering for Franny from what I heard
Okay just out of morbid curiosity, what exactly did she say about rape victims and cripples?
+SDW175 I hope that's not the case :( It legitimately sounded like something positive was happening. I mean shit, Andy gets more views than she does, if anything its her channel "leeching" off his not the other way round. I do genuinely wonder if she says things like that for attention and views, and by extension if she was two faced about the Vidcon incident if she also did that for attention and views. Its quite obvious why he was cautious around her, she constantly goes off on one any time he so much as hints that she might be wrong but to flip that and an explanation as to how normal social interactions (ie. jokes) work into "grovelling" seems pathetic.
+MsAJ92 She is constantly trying to exploit it for attention and victimhood points, despite not being a victim of either. She sits there making up how terrible the world and the police forces are towards rape victims (quite the opposite in my experience) and is constantly supporting and promoting people who have been caught out and categorically proven to be lying about having been raped along the same lines as "listen and believe" even though common sense would suggest that it might create a backlash towards anyone claiming to have been raped in the future, and people less likely to actually believe it. She constantly flips out about rape jokes and demands we all start believing that they are entirely unacceptable and damaging to rape victims, despite rape victims being some of the biggest purveyors of rape jokes due to their known benefits to recovery. Essentially the only people supporting her behaviour regarding rape are those who haven't been raped. Almost every rape victim I know (dozens upon dozens) strongly despises either Anita's approach to rape itself or those with the same approach Anita takes. It is known by both the experts in rape victim psychology and the victims themselves that her suggestions are some of the very worst one can follow.
As for cripples, she uses the same tactics of attempting to be the spokesperson for cripples as a form of exploiting it for attention and money whilst exclusively saying things the huge majority of cripples disagree with. A society which is both forced to support all disabilities at huge cost to itself or face even larger fines whilst simultaneously being given quotas and grants to encourage hiring of cripples isn't "deeply problematic" or attacking cripples in any way. If anything society is too far the other way, small businesses shouldn't be forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars they can't afford just so 0.6% of the population in a wheelchair don't have to ask for a little assistance. Or forcing disabled bathrooms in clothing stores and those unrelated to using a restroom (again tens of thousands of dollars). Or even forcing gyms, athletics stadiums and general sports training centres to add a wheelchair ramp or elevator next to every set of stairs just in case a cripple in a wheelchair decides to train in a specialized facility for the 100m sprint and doesn't want to ask a willing member of staff for help. Seriously, this is the state of it right now. And of course cripples getting preferentially hired above others at a significantly disproportionate rate far higher than the number of disabled in the country (and ignoring that many disabled like myself can't even work anyway making the numbers even worse) and giving grants or fines to companies based upon that number. All of it suggests society is broken trying to bend over backwards for cripples. And the biggest complaint of the again dozens upon dozens of cripples I've asked (support groups are a hell of a place for that sort of thing), that people treat them overly nice and they'd simply like to pretend to be a normal person. Again its a case of Anita saying a bunch of lies which bears no relation to reality, asking for the very opposite of the desires of the group she intends to exploit, and generally making life noticeably worse for both the group she is "helping" and the rest of the world forced to bend to her whims and slowly getting pissed off at the group she claims to speak for.
Basically she is exploiting both, she is doing the opposite those she "speaks for" desire in both, she is making things very noticeably worse for both, and I'm sure its quite clear how much I dislike her behaviour. Exploiting other people's life-ruining problems for attention and money is bad enough, but damaging their lives in addition to that is a lot worse especially when her sole claim to authority is that other people are the damaging ones.
Olivia Lambert unfortunately Franny went on a podcast and badmouthed Andy right after that lol
Eh, Anita responds to everything like she's a victim but there's always a reason anyone gets that much hate, and in her case it isn't just about unpopular opinions: it's about blatant con artistry.
Jesus christ, "Sargon was _shocked_ !" guys.. they were DEFINITELY trying to get a rise out of her.
it was ABSOLUTELY in bad faith. _please_ .
There’s no questioning it, Anita is ALWAYS wrong.
Just the fact that she thinks Males can’t be victims of sexism is enough to not take her seriously.
Dr. Christina Sommers is a good Feminist, Anita isn’t.
"Blue collar, you mean the life blood of America"
Amen
Amen
Funny how a feminist like Anita preaches for equality for both men and women, and to end harassment of all kinds at the UN, but then when someone has repeatedly debunked, analyzed, and critiqued her videos, now all of the sudden she's free to call someone like Sargon and Andy Warski "shitheads" and a "garbage human". Her hypocrisy is hilarious and knows no bounds.
Courtney Kayser amen lol
Courtney Kayser She thinks that critique is harassment, but calling someone a garbage human and a shithead somehow isn't.
Thats because Anita's goal was never equality or an end to harassment, it was money.... more specifically money for her own pockets, she attacks and defames people like Sargon because he is popular enough to be a treat to her getting that money.
kinda wish the sjws and alt right would kill each other off...like some sort of millennial civil dork war lol sargon and anita are both trash.
Sargon isn't alt-right, he's a liberal...
What is a lot more disturbing than what Anita is saying, is the response she gets. People are cheering her on as she is verbally abusing someone.
Thanks for standing up for blue collar folks. I have no idea who that "instagram model" is nor do I care. We need to start speaking up for people who are just doing their jobs.
I fucking hate Anita, but I appreciate Phil being as objective as possible and showing her side of the story. This is real journalism.
Her "side" of the story is bullshit.
The better to show it then, don't you think?
Exactly. Phil nails the formula so well. Tell one side, tell the other side, offer his own opinion but clearly state that the issue isn't so cut and dry and is open for discussion. Honestly, this is the type of journalism I can get behind.
Kwhyell he never got sargons side of the story and he ignored her attacking boogie completely! she is a piece of shit! so are the green brothers!
FTN Iceberg You sure sound unbiased.
So the day after Anita bullies someone, she's on a panel talking about bullying. Sargon is _critical_ of Anita, and being critical of someone in the public eye is neither harassment nor is it bullying. Calling someone in the audience a "garbage person" is not being critical, it's being an ass. Logan Paul showed about as much respect to the Vidcon event and staff as he has his own work/audience, none. And broke ass Justin Bieber doesn't deserve a comment. I'm sure Anita would have something to say, though.
Nice comment dude
The same Sargon who can't read the first paragraph of literally anything he cites as a source? That Sargon?
I don't like Anita, but Sargon still is garbage. How come that he can't take some heat himself?
Biagio Petruccelli
he can, hes making fun of it
your jollies are undeserved
"Harassment is not just what is legal or illegal. It's whatever the heck I say it is. Deal with it."
So tricked me into watching a news vid from 4 years ago UA-cam? Well done. You win this round...
I was reading your comments on one of the most recent videos, you and Renegade Angel were doing fantastic at maintaining a grounded perspective and being stalwart in keeping it. Well done 💀🖤✨💀✨🖤
@@SeraphimVolker Thanks, glad you found it worthwhile. I actually enjoy these conversations even if I don't agree. It's stagnation if you don't at least hear out, analyze and possibly refute other ideas.
@@Future_Imperfect I'm sure Zeno of Citium would be proud of you lol.
@@SeraphimVolker That's quite the compliment, much appreciated. I'm open for conversation if a topic happens to strike you sometime. Have a good one.
Why does Christian Burns look like a paintbrush bro
I don't agree with harassment, but Anita has absolutely no idea what she's talking (and this has been proven to death by far more logical people than she will ever be). Her concerns aren't entirely non-exist and they do deserve as much light as any other issue, but Anita is NOT a champion for them nor does she truly care about the topics of feminism or equality that she proposes to support.
I'm personally not surprised SHE was the one such drama came up with because she has a history of it. It's unfortunate people treated her like they have (with the threats and such) BUT she stoked those flames. No, I still don't agree with it AT all, but you don't generate that kind of mindless hate by just minding your business or making sense. There are a lot of female feminists that make logical points and get their usual mindless detractors but not on the level of Anita, or even close.
She really should have been kicked out.
Man in audience politely asks a legitimate question... gets silenced.
Anita gets angry and keeps saying shit... received applause from the crowd.
Sounds about right.
When someone who has been harassing you shows up at your panel to intimidate you isn’t necessarily harassment but it is emotionally harmful.
+Mary Dillon But he never harassed her. That's the thing. He made some videos criticising her. Sarkeesian thinks that all criticism is just harassment.
Anita has no respect from me. Not because of this but her actions in the past
Our society could not exist without blue collar workers. Thank God for them.
tinchick or thank them rather...
Yes, I thank them as well.
tinchick what's blue colar?
Alpha Designs Wrench-turning, hammer-smashing, steel-cutting, wood-nailing, building, making, fixing men and women.
Vidcon can't ban someone who wasn't invited in the first place.
Taking that sociopath's side over Anita's just because she insulted him is such a gross thing to do.
At the risk of losing my snowflake badge, I must say, Anita Sarkeesian is too sensitive for public speaking.
She's not, that's just part of the scam
She's a toxic piece of shit
lol, i love it
Your comment alone shows me there is still some hope for this world
Mel Icious she needs to crawl back into her "safe space" and stay there.
The only garbage human at the women panel at VidCon was Anita Sarkeesian herself.
If you get harassed regularly online for years, and then that person shows up and calls you a liar about said harassment in public, would you not be angry about that? Anita isn't a saint, her outrage was understandable and justified.
She honestly should be banned. If Sargon was up there doing the exact same thing to her in the crowd he would of WITHOUT HESITATION been banned on the spot. It's bias.