Stop Dropping Tiny Screws And Get A Screw Starter
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2025
- I’ve been using these for years. The relief of frustration is worth it alone.
The Stanley Proto J9866 works just as well as the old Craftsman on slotted head screws. I’m not sure what kind of Phillips head screws it supposed to work but I apparently don’t have any.
The Klein Tools 85153K was the surprise of the day. I was really impressed how well it held those slotted screws.
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If I stopped dropping screws and bolts, especially into engine bays, what would I even do with an extra 3 hours a day to burn?
Or that massive collection of magnets with extendo reach or curly soft wire or all those different finger grabber things😂
Search and Rescue 10mm sockets!
Oh idk, maybe test the torque of some impact wrenches or something? Would make an interesting channel on UA-cam lol
Haha The worst is when you don’t hear it hot the ground 😢
O so youre the one!
I have never seen anyone use these. Would have saved lot of frustration over the years. Will get one. Thanks.
Literally everything I just thought lol
I wasted so much time trying to find a tiny screw that I lost in a controller box because it could have destroyed something. I gave up and found a replacement. Hopefully that didn’t cause any issues but I’ll never know. After this video I immediately ordered one of these.
I'm 40yo and my dad had one on the window sill far back as I can remember. When I moved out I bought my own. I've probably used that tool a total of 20 or 30 times in my life, but every single time I did I don't know what the hell I would have done without it.
My Father failed. He never told me these exist. Now i am finally prepared to curtail the bad language.
No. You are still required to curse at least once when you find out that you can’t start the screw by hand. Only then may you go get the screw starter.
Hey Wes...back in the early 70's I was turning wrenches and that tool was an absolute necessity to install points and condenser on a V8 Chevy. I still have mine and it is over 50 years old and works like the day I bought it.
I tried 5 times to set the points on a VW Beetle … that’s when I knew I wasn’t cut out to work on those things ..maybe a starter would have helped
Every time I watch a video where the guy is working on classic car points, it amazes me that they don't have a screw starter, lol.
I have one made by Mac that was included with a tool set I got in 1976 when I went to Diesel school.
I only remember using it on points and condensers, but it was nearly a necessity for that.
I am the last generation to know how to adjust points. They were basically gone when I started wrenching but I’d still see them on old stuff. That’s why the old guys always kept a matchbook in their toolbox 😎👍🏻
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These things save the day when you need them. My grandpa had a set of "Quick-Wedge" holders like the Klein one. Red handles and some were green. Dad used them and passed them to me. The company used to be in Salt Lake City Utah.
This was great. My dad passed before I learned what these were and I inherited his. I always just stuck the screw through a small piece of tape & then up the shaft of the driver. It'll be nice taking advantage of something I've had for years
I bought one of the Craftsman screw starters in 1975. I needed it for my job on an assembly line. Only worked in the factory for a year, but still have, and use, the starter. I farm, and fix a lot of my own machinery, so I use it often.
I'm an electrician and the Klein i picked up a few yrs ago...life saver
wish youtube would have shown this to me last week when I dropped half a dozen tiny screws behind a corner cabinet, never to be retrieved, while putting in a outlet cover plate. Ingenious!
One of those absolute gems I learned from an older gentleman I worked for for about a year was the holding screwdriver. When you're elbows deep in a 480v deathtrap the last thing you want is the pachinko of doom. they won't tell you but that is THE screwdriver for pulling panel screws live, especially when the machinery predates safety and they didn't spring for the plastic dividers between phases that actually stick out far enough to keep a screw from doing the right gymnastics for an arc flash!
All that to say the klein style is for sparkies, the ones you showed seem to be targeted more at mechanics? Anyway I'm off to buy the kleins because I could never find a good one after my last boss showed them to me!
I got one years ago and what a great tool. Yep it sits in the tool drawer for the most part but when you need it, you got it!
I’m a piano technician, my screw starter is in my first row of tools, your craftsman starter is like the one I use. I have to maneuver screws through the piano action to the flange that holds the hammers. Magnetic tips won’t hold the screw well enough for me to place and start the screw. The magnetic tip on the other side gets used a lot too. But it has to be a slim tool to work through the action mechanism so the Kleins wouldn’t work for me, the sleeve and the handle wouldn’t allow me clearance to get in.
I usually use the sliding one that expands the tip but have the twist one in my tool bag. I’m on lunch break but was using one right before & going right back to it after. Must have for an electrician
I've had mine since the 1970s when I worked at The Foxboro Company. Those were actually a third variety that drives a wedge between two thin blades, to wedge in the screw. Yes, when you need them, you really appreciate them. .
i got a set from Tekton and man i have no idea how i lived without them before. Dont use them every day but theyre worth their weight in gold
I find these super handy when you need them. I inherited a SnapOn one from my dad when he passed.
Been wanting something like this for years and never knew they existed. Just bought both sets as I'm sure they'll both serve different uses around the house and shop. Thanks for sharing these products!
Love you now Klien is going to get another sale thanks to you.
Thank you for reminding me I have a bunch of the old school versions in my dad’s old tool chest! He had them when I was a kid in the 70s used them into the 2000s when he quit tinkering with small components.
More obscure tools! This was awesome. I'm going to order some of those Klein ones.
Added another one to the shopping list. 📝 Ceiling fixtures come to mind as the thing where one of these would save the day.
Bought mine in the late 60s, parts salesman showed us and we both bought one of each, like you say, not an everyday tool but mine have been used hundreds if not thousand times. Especially doing auto electrical and now starting motherboard hold down screws
Yeah, I first learned about these things 15, maybe 20 years ago and they've been a lifesaver. When I remember that they're in my tool box, that is.
Makes you wonder how many other tools are out there that would make your life 100x easier and yet you don't even know they exist.
I have an older one of the Klein style ones from my deceased father. I had no clue they were so useful. Will have to dig that out next time I'm working on something fiddley.
Nice comparison. I have owned a screw starter for 30+ years that looks like your original Stanley, but it is 9.5 inches long and was made by the Ullman Devices Corp. in Ridgefield, Connecticut. Part number D-3
Thanks for this informative information. I remember my dad had one of those wedgie type a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Thanks for the memories. Now i won’t hate those tiny screws anymore. I’m also blessed with meat hooks with minimal feeling and dexterity left.
Never seen this before, but really neat idea. I love discovering things like this!
Cool. Koken makes Nut-Grip sockets that do the same thing for nuts and bolts using mechanical retention (works on all materials). No more fasteners falling into the engine bay abyss.
I’m going to look into that 👍🏻
dude life saver! meaty hands, left handed ness and a messed up arm leads to very little fine motor control I struggle massively with small screws
11:14 I had a not-Klein set of this type wedge screw starter forty years ago, in a TV repair shop (a place to take your video monitor to have it fixed, whippersnapper). They had red, stinky plastic handles on them (mildew - dip and wipe off with ammonia to get rid of the stink), and had to buy them from the TV parts distributor. Very handy!
Possible was a VACO I’ve seen old vaco ones. With red handles. And Klein bought out vaco at some point. So makes sense too.
I have used both styles of screw starters over 40 years of wrenching and electrical work, I think the first spring loaded one I had was a General tool brand. I inherited a spring loaded one from my father and it's probably from the 50's or 60's, it has a wooden handle. Always a greif saver in tight spaces👍
I inherited one of those in an old toolbox from my grandfather. I can't remember the brand, but it's very old and well loved. I use it regularly, especially on small brass screws on contactors.
Thanks man !!!! Working on my addition in the crawl space and yes yes yes awesome bought
Thanks for the reminder, I forgot about these! The Klein style, there were tons of companies that used to make those and some of those were on a pump style driver. Now that I have years of abuse on my hands, I can see why they made them. I'll have to pick one up, so I don't have to do so much cussing!
Back in the late 70s to the 90s (yes I know I'm ole) I worked in a foundry smelting Aluminum and I had 5' X 5' boxes of the aluminum screw holders come in for me to melt down for scrap. I must of had a couple of hundred of them at home and gave them away to all my friends. I only have 4 of them left now and wish I didn't give all of them away. I had like 12 different length and styles of them at one time but most have broke or grown legs some how. lol If you oil them up and keep them clean they work great for a long time. Thanks for showing this as it brought back some bad memories of that job. lol - later
I got introduced to the Klein style by a technician in Colorado in 2017. OMG these are a game changer! I love that style!
The Snap on man had the first one on his truck in the early 80's can't beat it game changer 👍😎👍
God bless you for this. I had some of these in a kit, and had no idea what it was used for. I thought it was a security bit driver. Now I need to remember where I stashed it.
You talked me into it. I just bought one on line thanks
The second style I had a set I inherited from my grandfather around 1982 and they were already old. So they’ve been around for a minute.
I had never seen these. ordered a NOS craftsman off ebay, and will probably pick up the Klein next time I'm in Lowes. Thank you for the information
I had a massive CAC installation on a few years ago and this would have saved my fingers. My toolbox thanks your Funk.
I have all those. Great tools. Use them daily!
Ive used grease with some success along with silicon sealer . I had a couple of the craftman . I havent seen them in years . Thinkin i better look for them in y tool box. Thx for the video
My eyes lit up as soon as you mentioned computers. I just built my first one last year and the amount of dropped screws was ridiculous. That put me from maybe to definitely picking one of these up!
As for magnetic components, tapes, ZIP drives, and floppy discs were vulnerable, but the only magnetic thing left is spinning hard drives, which you probably don't even have anymore unless you've added a big one for extra storage.
My grandfather had one of these in the tool chest, along with quite a few old school tools I have no idea how to use lol. I never knew this was used to start screws. If I remember right it's got a magnet on one end.
this is gonna help me to wire VFDs. you earned a subscriber.
Awesome never seen these in the UK Ive 100% added them to my kit :)
Thank you for video. Nicely filmed.!
Sometimes if I have to start a longer drywall screw, and it keeps falling off, I mash some joint compound into the screw head. Works every time. For stainless and brass fasteners, also.
I've seen those tools in shops before, but never knew what they were for. I need one.
I've seen and had the Klein style for as long as I can remember, never seen the other style.🤯
Great, I have one of these but never knew what it was. If I can just find it now...
Haha that’s the other problem. Remembering where you left it.
Thank you, that will help with the 089362 switches
I never heard of these. Thank you for sharing.
Had a couple for 60 years, yes I am old and I bought it to start the screw that holds points in the distributor. I have one for phillips as well.
I didn't know these existed. Thanks for the info!
Cisco loves Stainless Steel screw. Forget the magnet, old school holder worked great.
I have a very similar tool for building bicycle wheels. Mine holds spoke nipples so you can thread them into the spokes without dropping the nipple into the rim.
A must have tools for your toolbox especially for Brass or Stainless Steel screws
I’ve never heard of these very interesting thank you for sharing your knowledge
I was not expecting to see the LTT screwdriver 😂. Heck of a crossover.
Magnetic bits. I love them.
Learnt about these last year from Tom Lipton/Ox Tools.
Great stuff. Already a life-saver a few times.
You don't know about what you don't know - /especially/ with tools.
Word-spreading is good.
Great for stainless screws also.
VACO used to make them
They were bought out by Klein years ago
May still be available
I think lisle makes them too
I’ve had both versions of these for decades and they are handy as hell when you need them. I also have a Klein Phillips that has a collar that grabs the head of the screw which works awesome as long as you have a big enough “hole” for the collar part. It’s Klein 32216.
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Thanks so much for the tutorial. I had a split blade driver years ago and was told "the twisting action is what grips the screw". It never worked well, not realizing the purpose of the sleeve.
With 3 hand surgeries this past year, my manual dexterity has been suboptimal (my legs have gotten stronger, tho). I had one of those from the '70s, but it grew legs and left home. I've been using a bunch of different mag tips and/or sleeves, but they're not great on stainless steel, and obviously, there's nothing on brass. I had totally forgotten about these little gems.
I'mma order one of the flat/phillips to add to my pocket protector. The Klien look good, but my belt pouch is already crammed full.
Also, magnets are a PITA when working at a bench, as they grab everything except what I need.
Sorry, no jokes about toenails or safety sandals come to mind.
We use those for building bicycle wheels. They help sometimes inserting spoke nipples into deep section rims. When they wear out(the locking pin falls out), I fix them with a short section of threaded spoke. It's a cycle.
Well, you just accidentally solved a mystery for me.
When my dad passed, I inherited all of his tools. He was an electrician, carried a ton of different drivers in his old tool pouch, and there was one that I couldn't figure out what it was for. It looked like just a regular slot screwdriver, but the driver was split up the middle and part of the handle slid up and down; for lack of any better explanation (until now) I just assumed that maybe it was some weird adjustable slot screwdriver. When you pulled out that Klein at the 12:00 mark I got that "adjustable screwdriver" of my dad's out to look at it. Anybody want to guess what's on the handle?
M. Klein & Sons.
The Philips one has to be set push the collar forward and compress the holder place the screw on it the pull the collar back voila you have a held screw.
Atleast that’s how my Klines work which looks like the same mechanism. I use them for little stainless Philips screws all the time they work great. Not always the most solid hold with every size screw but it’s never completely failed to hold a screw.
I just spent an extra 20 minutes *yesterday* putting up an RV air conditioner overhead because they used non-magnetic self-tapping screws and I kept dropping them - and since they were falling a good 7 feet, they always bounced everywhere. Picked up a set of the Kleins since the Stanley isn't available locally.
wow thanks for the heads up.. another awesome tool
Hmm... the kind I used to use had sliding spring clips that held the head of the screw, so would work with any type of material. No idea what they were called or if they are still available.
I always wondered what those were. 😅
My company issue those with our initial tool kits. I think ours are Proto and they work really well, even the Philips. Despite being the youngest in my area I've taught half of the guys what those actually are. Pays to be cross-trade experienced.
Both types shown sold under many brands for decades. There are more types still sold too. Sometimes they help, other times not. More so on Phillips or worn heads that grab the centers. Various spring holders grab the whole head may help but are often too big to get into small openings.
Definitely nothing wrong with the Proto tools for I had a wrench set that was great
Kline tools makes that one for Phillips and slotted screws. I bought 2 different ones & I also got one from the snap on truck & there all great tools. Like the Stanley to you are showing & I like it better than the new style from Kline but they work good on different situations
Klein has a nice #2 phillips that looks like it will work well.
Really great video about why I should just stick to the magnetic screwdriver, couldn't even work with most of the example screws. And no, magnetic stuff isn't really a problem in computers anymore.
I have a screwdriver that I've had for years that is made like the Kliens and I never knew what sort of use it had until now. lol.
Strong magnet bit chucks work quite well too
Marine tech here.
Can't get away with magnets on boats since you run into almost no steel at all.
I have some screwdrivers made by Southwire with a springloaded horseshoe at the business end of the tool, and it allows the user to lock the screw into the screwdriver TIGHT. You can wave it around and it won't go anyplace.
But, the drawback is that the tools themselves are a bit cumbersome. Great for electrical work, though, where you might have to weave the shaft of the screwdriver past a bundle of wires you don't want to disturb to put a screw into a terminal block, etc. behind them.
I have a plastic version similar to the Stanley style I got in a US work toolkit back in 2008, this had the advantage that the collar that held the blades out had a camming bayonet that released the screw once it reached a decent torque, so you didn't have to reach in and unlock the collar to release the screw once it was started. Never seen one like it in the UK, I'll look up the Stanley part number you mentioned👍
Most of the hard to seat screws I meet are stainless, so magnetic bits don't work- I've used silicone tubing that fits the screwdriver shank at times to grab a screwhead dor long-reach jobs btw
I’ve had the craftsman type mine was bought at Napa 35 ish year’s ago and I remember dad had the Kline type years before that. Don’t remember the brand or what happened to it but when I needed one I remember that it was a tad clumsy compared to the other
Both me and my father as well as my aunt have something called essential tremor. Basically our hands always shake a little if muscles are contracting. It can be truly maddening. Sometimes it makes me very very angry and it really hurts your pride. I have thought about picking up something like this but it always slips my mind when I'm shopping. I'm going to rectify that after watching this.
I should probably invest in one of those. My current solution is to get some extra screws so I have a few to drop.
I’ve been struggling with the models with the plastic sleeve. I’m going to get one of these.
As long as they are magnetic, you could just use a small neodymium magnet and some tape to prevent it from sticking to anything other than your screwdriver. Some older screwdrivers were also completely pass through the handle, with the setting/locking screw for it going all the way through the back of the handle, you can just put the magnet there in those. For non magnetic on hard to reach I used to use a bit of blue tac between the head and the screw, worked fine for 10 odd years so far.
They also have the ones with thin spring steel fingers that hold the head of the srew.
My fingers have barely any feeling but i can still flick a bean lol 😂
LTT getting some love here. It really is a phenomenal screwdriver and the price point is good for what it is.
Yeah, I got one as well, and that knurling saves the day! Hell, even Project Farms was impressed.
I had a Klein style screwdriver that came in a Meccano erector set in the 1960s so it's an old idea. It also came with a nut holder for getting nuts into awkward spots but that wasn't as cool due to the way it held the nuts. If you tightened the nut too much then you couldn't get the tool off....
I need to find one of those that's a good foot long or so. I keep running into automotive screws in ridiculous places where I could really use one of those.
Craftsman made the same style as Klein. I have one somewhere from my dad at least 50 years old.
I got one like the Kleins years ago in some free tools and never knew what the heck it was supposed to do so it just sat around keeping the other drivers company until it finally disappeared at some point. The more you know......
I believe that it’s meant to install the points screw inside distributors. Bought mine also from Sears in the early 80’s.
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