Tbh the biggest pitfall is assuming that just because a fan theory is popular that it adds more credibility In a nutshell never 100% expect a character Also in the golden sun footage that was Matthew not Isaac
The fanbase absolutely has a MASSIVE problem of locking onto like three characters and just FIRMLY convincing themselves that there's absolutely no way they don't make it in. What's worse is that this pass has kind of proven the fanbase relies WAAAAAAY too heavily on leaks and new games to dictate anything; note how literally all of our "frontrunners" are either fanbases that were spurred on from leaks or from seeing a new game and just immediately going "That's getting a character!"
@@smallsoul2374 Also anniversaries. I've seen too many assumptions of "Oh this series has its anniversary this year, therefore this character is definitely coming to Smash!"
I remember when peoples took Reggie saying "all dlc will be new to smash" and The translated versions of sakurai saying "adding new worlds to smash" As them saying DLC will be all third party/new franchise with no representation in smash (Especially when the sakurai statement was only from the translation and he never said that in the original Japanese audio)
@small soul speaking on relying on new release to "confirm character getting in smash" I remember many claiming a rep for the original Xenoblade was way more likely than one from 2 because XCDE was soon to be released (peoples saying that most likely simply wanted a XC1 rep and/or didn’t want a XC2 rep in. Since I don’t really see any actual good logic in their statements)
@drewskidewsk Not banned at all. Just no one in Japan wants to publish it over there. Like there was even a current anime that straight up talked about Mortal Kombat and even showed gameplay.
I welcome more fighting game characters. Their very nature makes their moves translate into Smash almost cripplingly well; this happened with Min Min, and it's looking to happen with Kazuya as well. Really cool to see how those games translate so shockingly well into Smash, and I'd love to see how more unique fighters get translated. (It'll never happen, but a Rivals of Aether character with Smash's engine would be absolutely insane!)
Tldr: Sakurai is fighting game fan and I love it , hope he does that Character introduction thing for like tekken like he did for the the snk characters
Don’t know why people thought it would be impossible to get a Tekken character after the Heihachi mii costumes. Especially since we had THREE CHOICES from Tekken. Heihachi, Kazuya, and Jin. The three stars of the franchise. The mascot/crossover character/the original villain, the original hero turned villain, and the current hero also turned villain. And we got the first protagonist of Tekken as a result. Plus another villain. Which is also great. Ultimately I think Kazuya was a great choice.
Ayumi Takabana So Ayumi is one of the main characters of the famicom detective series and was previously considered for melee by Sakurai, I believe despite being over looked by a lot of people very often that she is more likely than a lot of the most speculated characters like Doom Slayer, Crash Bandicoot, Master Chief, Impa, a gen 8 pokemon, BOTW Zelda, Dante, Phoenix, Sora or Hayabusa. 1 i)Sakurai wants her-While the question of how much power Sakurai has is controverial and up for debate (personally I think he has more power than he lets on but nintendo makes the overall decision unless he can't make a character work) during melee development, “Well, I was thinking about it during the Melee days, Famicon Detective Club…Ayumi even has her own Trophy in that game. But in the end, there’s no way she’d work overseas, so…but I do like Famicon Detective Club.” we can assume that if she was more well known overseas she would already be in 1 ii) nothing is holding her-my last point could be counted by "Sakurai also wanted/wants [blank]" but most of those blanks have either got in, got in a different form or have something pretty obvious holding them back like geno being held back by his 3rd party status and complete irrelivence while characters like min min, pyra/mythra and terry all got in who Sakurai wanted. 2) promotion-Her games are having a remake which could be seen as a good promotion oppotunity for nintendo as it could lead to an increase in the 2 games sales and even potentially her series being revived twitter.com/nintendolife/status/1406918576108417026?s=19 3) Nintendo lacks a core Visual novel series-nintendo has core frantises in most genres but visual novels is one of the exceptions, it would make sense for nintendo to hope with the remakes to finally get a core visual novel series and this could be easily be achived though good promotion though a character in smash 4) VERY SPECULATIVE some people think Jon has sources and he tweeted this twitter.com/JonComms/status/1387106867617353732?s=1
This isn’t aimed at you, Ink, and is just in response to the drama surrounding Kazuya being “yet another fighting game character.” Isn’t Smash technically a fighting game? So, isn’t every character in Smash technically a “fighting game character?” It seems like people just keep finding new ways to complain about this game.
@@colinbrown4562 I was thinking the same thing. I figured the hypocrisy of being angry at “fighting game characters in my fighting game” was the bigger issue though.
@@GurrenPrime I think people are just making excuses for not getting the character that they want. However, these same people would come up with complaints about any of the main fan favorite characters as well. No one will be happy.
@@colinbrown4562 agreed. The shotos, Min Min, Terry, and Kazuya make 5. I don’t see that as overrepresentation. Honestly i’d be totally cool with another fighting game character being added, since we’ve already had several jrpg characters added back fo back. Edit: I know ARMS isn’t one of the traditional fighters and it’s more niche, but it’s still a fighting game. People usually only group the other 4 cause they’re traditional and play like so but still. Not sure if Punch out counts as one either.
I don’t remember who it was that said it whether it was Sakurai, Reggie before he left or someone else from Nintendo but one of them said something along the lines of getting fans of various other franchises into Smash and that’s their approach with the DLC when it cane to the third party characters. I was reminded of this recently after seeing reaction videos from Tekken fans seeing Kazuya’s reveal and how they went and bought a Switch and Smash, that 100% is what Nintendo wanted. And of course it helps out the owners of these third party characters because then the sales of their games increase, after Hero came out more people outside Japan were buying Dragon Quest games, after Terry came out, more people were buying the Fatal Fury and KOF ports and now those people are waiting on KOF15 along with the KOF veterans. In the context of the first party games though, yeah those are very much attempts at getting more sales out of those games, that was made especially clear when they told us we were getting an ARMS character and on that same day they released an ARMS demo which was 3 years after the game’s release so Nintendo were very much trying to get more sales out of that game and that was most likely the intent with Byleth and Pyra/Mythra and their respective games.
For the first party rep being in the sell their game part isn’t really accurate to Pyra&mythra, since they stopped printing physical versions of XC2 before smash released. So I’m pretty sure Pyra&mythra got in because of popularity and relevancy.
@@doom3926 digital version don’t really hit the same way and most peoples would prefer a physical version. (If it was really for advertisement they definitely would’ve started back printing physical version of the game)
@@Zoroark_Master People buy digitally more than most are aware, it’s the whole reason why Microsoft and Sony have digital only versions of their current systems because digital purchases have been doing so well. In the context of Xenoblade 2, just last November it was known to us that the game sold 2.05 million units, and at that point within the last few months, 160,000 copies sold, if what you say is true that they stopped making printing physical copies before Smash Ultimate’s release then most if not all of those those, and most likely more sales than that had to be digital copies and Xenoblade Definitive Edition may have been responsible for Xenoblade 2 getting some extra sales like that which Nintendo and Monolithsoft most likely wanted. For some extra perspective, those 2.05 million units were 2020’s sales, when the sales numbers for the game was reported in 2019 it was 1.92 million. Again, most if not all of the sales between that time in 2019 to November 2020 had to be digital copies and this isn’t even going into digital copies the game must’ve sold before physical copies stopped being printed. So from there it’s not unreasonable to believe that a similar jump in Xenoblade 2’s sales happened after Pyra/Mythra’s release which, again Nintendo and Monolithsoft most likely wanted that.
Yeah its all the characters that were considered for base game (Min Min, Pyra/Mythra) or couldn’t be added in base game (Sephiroth, Kazuya) or have negotiations going on (Steve) Basically Second chances DLC Pass
@@kazzfuchsia1073 Yes, and when we combine it with the parallel theory, Nintendo always gets two reps, Microsoft and Square Enix get 1, and then 2 wild card companies. in the first pass, it wasSega-Atlus and SNK. This time, it was Namco and someone else. Since Rayman has a Trophy render in smash 4, a cloud formation easter egg in K Rool's trailer, and Ubisoft is one of the only companies without a character but has a close enough relationship with Nintendo to create MArio + Rabbids, Rayman fits everything as if the stars have alligned for him.
@@kazzfuchsia1073 Yeah I’ve been saying this alot too. There making up for most things in this pass. Adding characters from games that were considered to get a rep in base game (Min Min & P/M). Finally adding a character that was negotiated for a long time (Steve). Adding a character from a poorly represented series so they could add more content for (Sephiroth). Kazuya could fit this trend/theme since Bandai Namco was lacking another character. I think Crash might be the last character as there was a rumor of a ‘5-year plan’ for him. The main thing that was going to happen in 2021 was him getting into Smash. And all other things on the other years had already happened. So it could be possible that Activision reached out to Nintendo about 5 years ago to negotiate with them so they could add Crash in Smash. Since by that time they were most likely planning on reviving the Crash series. Just my speculation
I’m thinking it will probably be a first party nintendo character or maybe even a smash exclusive character like a character from subspace emissary, just because this is the Last one.
At this point. I’m personally hoping for Neptune from the Neptunia franchise. (Other character I want are pretty much deconfirm or very unlikely for various reasons. Like celica from FE echoes, Elma from Xenoblade chronicles x, Mipha from BOTW, braixen from Pokémon XY, Spyro from Spyro etc. And Neptune is kinda the only realistic choice out of everything I would want, even if she’s herself not that likely) But I got Pyra&mythra alone (specifically my most wanted), so I have no reason to complain.
This Fighters Pass has been Solely focused on going back and adding more to already existing or planned series, so I believe this will be the most logical start point. Series to watch out for would be pre-pass 1, lacking in content in some way, shape, or form, and finally, could have been mentioned before when the devs were talking about content that was considered.
I believe that an advance wars rep has become an actual possibility in terms of smash representation. The last fighter will likely be revealed in a Nintendo fall direct, and since directs are aimed at Nintendo’s core audience as opposed to the general crowd of E3, this fighter will likely be a first party rep. With the remake for the 2 GBA titles coming up, Nintendo may want to promote the game by adding a character from that series into smash. This thought is also supported by the idea that all of the first party picks, especially from the second fighters pass seem to have been chosen to promote series that Nintendo want people to be interested in; Min Min:ARMS Pyra/Mythra:Xenoblade
Smash community talking about how characters get in:Something something representation. Nintendo:Yeah we just pick whoever we think would be cool in Smash.
If Sakurai puts one fighting game character in the game, then adds 10 JRPG characters in a row, and then adds another fighting game character, Smash fans are like “Woah, what’s with all the fighting game characters?!”
It means leaks be dead. And I'm happy about that. I can finally enjoy not knowing who is next. Gotta try and ignore all future leaks til the last reveal now and assume they all a bunch of lying butt Mfers.
I think Smash Fighters Pass 2 could end with a character no one likes and is very controversial, Smash 4's DLC ended with Bayonetta (BC She won the Smash Ballot), Smash Ultimate's base roster ended with Incineroar, Smash Fighters Pass 1 ended with Byleth with Smash Ultimate before the controversial characters that got announced last (ether though the Base Roster or DLC) A Fighting game character was announced before the controversial character. Ken was announced before Incineroar but in the same trailer to end the base roster for Smash Ultimate Terry Bogard was announced before Byleth's reveal Kazuya is from Tekken (a fighting game) and Smash Fighters Pass 2 could end with a character that no one wanted and hates.
i appreciate this video. i think the only predictable thing about sakurai is that he's unpredictable. hero, banjo, and maybe steve were the only characters out of both passes that anyone was able to predict. so it makes me snicker a bit when people cast out their popular, mainstream predictions so confidently
In a perfect world, we have all our most wanted characters in Smash. But in reality, we don’t & not all of our most wanted characters will make it in since it’s impossible for Nintendo & Sakurai to grant all of our wishes. No matter how much people want Crash, Sora, Phoenix Wright, Master Chief, Geno, Dante, & many other highly requested characters, not all will make it since Nintendo choses characters that aren’t on many people’s radar, & they’re very unexpected, such as Joker & Sephiroth. That’s how life is. For people that are expecting Crash & other heavily requested characters in every Smash Reveals, just stop expecting them for Smash! Because you’ll be even more disappointed! I’m not telling you to give up hope for them. In fact, keep your hopes alive since it’s perfectly fine in believing in them. But putting your expectations too high for Crash & other characters will lead you to major disappointment to anger, & then to harassment to Sakurai & other people. It gets ugly by making it you total selfish pricks! So just shut the hell up people! Anyway, one long last thing I got to say to them, expect the unexpected characters & don’t rely too much of the highly requested characters. I learned that a lot from Joker & Sephiroth. I know predicting is hard, but we have to think outside of the box, outside the most wanted characters list. Like any video game character is possible now, heck maybe Nero from Devil May Cry, Yu Narukami from Persona 4, or Tingle from The Legend of Zelda Series might end up as the Final DLC Fighter, & I be cool with that since I’ll always accept & respect anything from Sakurai & Nintendo. Predicting is hard, & when the final DLC Fighter is about to get shown, we should lower our expectations just for safety until we see the character, whether we’re excited or not. That’s all I gotta say. Remember people, expect the unexpected.
Ultimate was the first time I really put some thought in who I wanted. I wanted 5.Neptune from the neptunia series (not that likely, but the most likely out of the characters I want the most currently) 4.celica from FE echoes (FE character, not from the newest release, from a remake and byleth being added pretty much makes her not happening anytime) 3.Mipha from BOTW 2.Elma from Xenoblade chronicles x (Pyra&mythra pretty much deconfirm her) 1.Mythra (and pyra) without Rex (but expected and would’ve been fine with Rex) I maybe currently only got 1/5 of them. But I got my N.1 most wanted, practically exactly how I wanted them, so I have 0 reasons to complain.
@@Zoroark_Master i think you might actually have the worst opinion out of anyone i have ever met or seen on the internet and i say that without a shred of a shadow of a doubt.
@@tataladdd4251 "I don’t like what you like, so your opinion is trash" what a mature response. You know what’s a bad opinion? saying someone opinion is bad because they like/want something you don’t like/want or something different than what you like/want.
@@Zoroark_Master so you wanted some random weeaboo moe shit, a 9th FE rep and some unremarkable character from the one xenoblade nobody likes, and you still want people to be like “hmm, yes, that’s a nice line-up you got going on” no man.
@@tataladdd4251 I think you might actually have the worst opinion out of anyone I have ever met or seen on the internet and I would say that without a shadow of a doubt but surprisingly, as much as you’re being an unnecessary ass because I want/like someone you don’t I’ve definitely seen worse (even so you’re extremely salty because someone dare to like/want something you don’t, kinda pathetic) And you must be really out of the loop to genuinely think nobody like XCX or Elma.
I'm not much of a fighting game fan...but I dang well know about the Tekken lore and the fighters..more focused on The Mishimas. So seeing Kazuya coming in was amazing to see..and sure he's a fighting game character..so what. I'm just amazing Sakurai has implemented one of his 10 hit combos into the game..now that is dedication and determination. But it also makes me think how would he and his team implement characters like Yorha Unit 2B from Nier Automata. Who I want in Smash. Or others like Doomguy, Master Chief, etc.
"A lot of fighting game characters" (4) It's just fascinating to me how smash players think that's a lot, while there are so many characters from one franchise (fire emblem)
My 3 pics. Scorpion - MK is now noticeably absent from Smash. Dovahkiin - Interesting 3rd party and Vault Boy is a Mii Gunner Skin. Reworked Master Hand - It feel be very appropriate to end things there.
I think this fighter pass 2 is all about the missing characters who did not make in smash 4 or smash bros ultimate before release Like min min and pyra was 2017 maybe that time he did not find idea how to put him Steve takes 5 or 6 years to make him Cloud was December 2015 and Spheroth also in December 2020 For kazuya Sakurai ones said he want to put tekken character but he did not find a way to put him in smash I think we will have pokemon decidueye he said before he was thinking to put him we will have pokemon arceus coming soon good for marking
I can see that or maybe they'll put a Gen 8 Pokemon like Urshifu since they already decided on Incineroar to represent Gen 7. Im hoping I'm wrong because the amount of backlash especially from Kazuya. People are nowadays getting spoilt that their favourites are not in the game so they disregard any character they don't know and complain by saying wasted slot. Hardly anyone in the West knew who Ness was so we were forced to know who he is as well as like and appreciate him. I hope people will give Tekken a chance due to Kazuya's inclusion. That's how I knew Kirby, Ness, Captain Falcon and Starfox.
Decidueye will never happen because we've already have a Gen 7 rep already in the game, and that includes Gen 8 because of the backlash of the Sword and Shield for all fans
It would be cool to see crash but I think he isn't isn't most surprising pick since soo many people have asked for crash That if he does get revealed than not many are going to be surprised It's going to be like the banjo situation Almost all the reactions were it's about time this chacter gets in And not wow they added banjo I'm so surprised
I would like to see an another Mega Man character since I am a long time Mega Man fan and main. The only Mega Man character I can see joining Smash is Bass since he has no Mii costume of him yet. Bass would be a great inclusion of more anti-hero character fighters.
Fan favorites, Characters that make sense, throw it out the window. Nintendo has their own ideas don't seem to pay much attention to what hardcore fans think.
I still think -a monster hunter rep -a gen8 Pokémon specifically -any character that is an assist in ultimate -any character that had a DLC mii costume of them in the second pass (and to a certain degree, the ones from the first pass) -a character from the same franchise as one of the other DLC in the pass -impa from Zelda Are all quite unlikely. And thrust me, it isn’t really bias (if I was bias, I would’ve rather zoroark be a playable character than a pokeball. Also would’ve wanted: -Celica from FE echoes -Elma from Xenoblade chronicles x -Mipha from Zelda BOTW -Neptune from the Neptunia series Over the likes of -Kazuya from tekken -Hero from dragon quest -Terry from fatal fury -Steve from minecraft) Also lastly I remember most peoples saying "Pyra&mythra wouldn’t get in on their own without Rex" (even if I was hoping more for Pyra&mythra alone, I kinda was one of those) Well we end up getting the character in the way peoples thought was not gonna happen (although because of technical limitations, like why ice climbers weren’t in smash4)
Slight correction when you said about byleth "who’s a game *game* that’s already widely represented in smash bros" is actually incorrect since FE 3 houses had no representation in smash before byleth got in (which I’m pretty sure you just meant *franchise* instead of game)
I was expecting Crash as well due to him being the most realistic choice and of course I love the series, but at the same time because I love playing Tekken as well back in the PS1 days. Im happy with Kazuya especially the fact that Bandai Namco made Smash and they only have one rep which is Pacman. So a Tekken character was a long time coming and I didn't expect it to happen but I'm glad it did
Mathew or Felix from Golden Sun is possible and Lloyd Irving from Tales of Symphonia are my predictions, but my expectations are low. I want to keep it that way.
I believe that we will be seeing Kos-mos in a future installment of smash bros, as thanks to Pyra getting added to smash. It shows that Nintendo is interested in adding more fighters from the Xeno franchise and Kos-mos is the face of the franchise.
Based on what's sakurai has been saying lately my guess is the final fighter is a sword character from a series sakurai really likes. So it could be sora, wander, zero, etc.
@@davidkerr7350 mynintendonews.com/2021/03/04/sakurai-reiterates-that-its-not-his-decision-whether-to-include-sword-fighters-in-smash-ultimate/ That one's for the sword. The quote saying sakurai is personally excited for the final 4 was in the November famitsu but it got buried by the second November famitsu so if you want you can look for it. Sony and Nintendo get along fine now. In fact, Nintendo had to ask Sony for some of the songs that came with sephiroth in smash. I don't know if they'd go for wander but it's a possibility
Totally agree, Sora is one of the candidates as one of the last fighters. I don't see why Sora's English VA would be a union actor when he still reprise the character throughout the series and with no replacements.
@@davidkerr7350 so basically back in the 90's and early 2000's squarsoft gave partial ownership to everyone involved with the music. This resulted in the ownership of final fantasy music being all over the place and a legal nightmare to obtain(which sakurai mentioned is why cloud got so little content in 4 and ultimate). Advent children however only had square, Warner bros and Sony working on the music so the rights to the songs from the movie are easier to get hense sephiroth got more music in thanks to sony
Dante, now smash dlc are connecting to each other. Dante would be great for multi weapon like byleth. Or Egg man because idk be cool and could connect by another rep
A Character that alot of people aren't forward is Dixie Kong. She's 1st party, underrepresented, planned for Brawl, and isn't a hyped character like what most people are seeing with the dlc pass.
Honestly I'm not how many people are talking about this, but I would love to see Demi-fiend from shin megami tensei nocturne, I mean we got joker and it would pretty cool to rep another Atlus series plus SMT came before persona so I it makes sense
I feel like in the wake of the lack of spirit event (remember Byleth?) and now ESPECIALLY after Kazuya showing up, Frisk is a character being severely overlooked by the fanbase. but maybe i'd like for it to stay that way because if everyone talks about frisk then their chances will instantly plummet given the fanbase's track record
why would they care ? , when they already choose and finalized all the dlc character from 2-3 years ago , recent speculation or recent request mean nothing , recent surge of popularity mean nothing If popular request going to matter it's going to be at least 3 years old popular request and not recent one. At this point I expected the last one to be a 1st party pick and it's going to promote Breath of the Wild 2 , since that make the most sense The game announced in 2019 which mean it's already been in development at least before then , if not at the end of development schedule of BOTW 1.
Pretty sure most DLC choice for the second pass were only finalized in 2019 (not because Steve was in negotiations for 5 years that every character from the second pass were also negotiated for that long)
Not 100% on a MK character, I'm pretty sure that Japanese people didn't like the goriness in the MK franchise, why do you think they censored all M-rated games like Resident Evil from every scene that is gory.
Honestly I think the character is gonna be a semi popular character. Not over the top like Crash and Master Chief but also not super underwhelming like a Pokémon or Mario character. Smash 4 ended with Bayonetta (who’s popular but not REALLY popular). Like Rayman, Phoenix Wright, Astral Chain or even indie characters like Shantae, Reimu and Hollow Knight comes to mind.
3:48 you can't have an MK character and not have the insane gore and dismemberment. Takeing that away from any MK character robs them of the series identity. So it's not possible
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. I've seen his happen at least 9 something times now and I think the only time it was "correct" was Banjo & Kazooie. Its a bit silly how the Smash speculation scene sticks to the same 5 to 10 characters, only for the DLC to be someone they didn't predict but made a ton of sense in hindsight, temporarily lose their minds and then go back to the very same 5-10 characters. Another thing that people either completely overlook or are unwilling to admit is that Smash is very heavily tilted towards Japanese-made games, and the very few Western-made games that made it in are ones that are also super popular in Japan or had a huge influence on Nintendo in the past (Banjo-Kazooie). I've become super wary of character suggestions being ones of Western origins, especially ones where the game series isn't popular in Japan, or in the case of Mortal Kombat, banned. I've got my dream character (Amaterasu from Okami) but at this point its healthier to go with the flow and get excited for whoever they reveal, even if its someone you've never heard of (it never hurts to learn about a game series through Smash anyway).
5:06 Hello, fan favorite characters don't matter!? Banjo, Ridley, K.Rool so many fighters have been cites as influenced by the Wii U ballot and fan demand in interviews.
Since when is 4 of.a genre a lot? Meanwhile...RPG ...oh boy. Half of the DLC, and a significant amount of the roster. Also...how is ARMS anything BUT fighting genre?
I think when smash players think “fighting game”, they think of 2D / linear, which is what the majority of them are. I think it’s because ARMS is so different from most other fighting games and for being niche that people don’t really consider it to be one fully. I’m one of the rare few who groups Min Min with the other four.
To be perfectly honest... the question of 'who's going to get into Smash?' is becoming B.S. to me. Everyone is losing there minds over this and it's becoming a BIG problem to me. Nobody knows who it is and tries to figure it out, only to get there hopes up and waste there time. Seriously, I question this fan base in general.
the speculation community is kinda missing out on jet set radio. it's one of segas most influential franchises imo, it even inspired alot of games, some of these include butterflies, hover and other games. It's influence still bleeds into mainstream media today so i dont understand why no one even speculates them
Yes to this. Just look at Team Reptile's entire output for how much inspiration JSR gives. Lethal League is like a fighting game version of JSR. Not sure how likely it is, but Beat from Jet Set Radio is one of my dream picks for Smash. More obscure picks have happened. (I like Terry, but how many of you guys knew about him before he got into Smash?)
Katsuhiro Harada say on twitter : 1. "You guys are a spammer. I talk with Mr.Sakurai & BandaiNamco's Smash development team so that your request will NOT be approved as much as possible." 2. "If you are still relentlessly spamming, that just means hampering the work of Masahiro Sakurai and Bandai Namco's Smash development team. Just One Tweet is enough for request. DO NOT SPAMMING to us. Developers don't negotiate with Spammer and terrorists." One more thing, Harada hate spam For Smash (Just like a Sora, Master Chief, Spyro, and many more popular character in American and Europe)
Mortal Kombat doesn't even have official CERO rating because Netherrealm doesn't want to censor to go along with CERO. So, why don't you mention Japan as big block for Mortal Kombat? Do you think it's popular at all in east?
I have a hunch that the final character will actually be a Shin Megami Tensei character. SMT is a popular series and is Japanese franchise that would be easy to negotiate with. Especially since we have Joker from Persona 5 in the game. I feel like it's in a similar situation with Tekken where it is a popular series people know of that isn't being talked about much in the speculation scene, but when revealed people would react like "yeah that makes sense, why hasn't this happened sooner". My guess for the SMT character is either Demi Fiend from Nocturne or the new protagonist from SMT 5. The latter one might be tricky since the game isn't even released worldwide. And we don't know how early Sakurai got to play the game to think of a moveset for them. At least with Greninja, Corrin, and Byleth their games were out for 6 months before they were revealed for Smash.
I know this is really obscure but we need more sega representation, more in line with the beat em up genre since we have no beat em up characters in smash, I’m thinking character like Ryo from shenmue, kiryu from yakuza, or go old school and have Axel Stone from streets of rage
I think the last character is going to be a Monster Hunter character. It could be a Hunter, but I could also see them making one of the monsters playable. I just think Monster Hunter is way too popular to have content in the game but not get a playable character spot. If not Monster Hunter, I think another possibility that people are overlooking is Animal Crossing. New Horizons is the 2nd best selling Switch game, and there are tons of AC characters that they could add. There are only two AC characters in the game at the moment. We have 10 Pokémon and Animal Crossing outsells Pokémon at this point, so I think a 3rd AC character is a strong possibility.
Monster hunter developers don’t like their character representing their franchise, rather the monsters so I don’t think so. And Isabelle fills the animal crossing roll
Tbh the biggest pitfall is assuming that just because a fan theory is popular that it adds more credibility
In a nutshell never 100% expect a character
Also in the golden sun footage that was Matthew not Isaac
The fanbase absolutely has a MASSIVE problem of locking onto like three characters and just FIRMLY convincing themselves that there's absolutely no way they don't make it in.
What's worse is that this pass has kind of proven the fanbase relies WAAAAAAY too heavily on leaks and new games to dictate anything; note how literally all of our "frontrunners" are either fanbases that were spurred on from leaks or from seeing a new game and just immediately going "That's getting a character!"
@@smallsoul2374 Also anniversaries. I've seen too many assumptions of "Oh this series has its anniversary this year, therefore this character is definitely coming to Smash!"
You speak the truth
I remember when peoples took Reggie saying "all dlc will be new to smash"
and The translated versions of sakurai saying "adding new worlds to smash"
As them saying DLC will be all third party/new franchise with no representation in smash
(Especially when the sakurai statement was only from the translation and he never said that in the original Japanese audio)
@small soul speaking on relying on new release to "confirm character getting in smash"
I remember many claiming a rep for the original Xenoblade was way more likely than one from 2 because XCDE was soon to be released (peoples saying that most likely simply wanted a XC1 rep and/or didn’t want a XC2 rep in. Since I don’t really see any actual good logic in their statements)
As someone who isn't a fighting game fan, I always found the lack of fighting game characters strange.
Yeah I hope scorpion and subzero get in smash one day
@@flexingfletchyt4756 yes please Mortal Kombat is my favorite fighting game besides Smash.
@drewskidewsk mk 11 isn’t banned in Japan
@drewskidewsk
Not banned at all. Just no one in Japan wants to publish it over there. Like there was even a current anime that straight up talked about Mortal Kombat and even showed gameplay.
@@flexingfletchyt4756 Imagine Ryu vs Kazuya vs Scorpion vs Terry!
I welcome more fighting game characters. Their very nature makes their moves translate into Smash almost cripplingly well; this happened with Min Min, and it's looking to happen with Kazuya as well. Really cool to see how those games translate so shockingly well into Smash, and I'd love to see how more unique fighters get translated. (It'll never happen, but a Rivals of Aether character with Smash's engine would be absolutely insane!)
Tldr: Sakurai is fighting game fan and I love it , hope he does that Character introduction thing for like tekken like he did for the the snk characters
I bet he will
Fanboy Sakurai never fails to emerge when it comes to presenting fighting game reps.
“And now there’s a lot of fighting game characters”
Ryu, Ken, Terry, Min Min, and Kazuya. That’s only 5. That really isn’t a lot
Don’t know why people thought it would be impossible to get a Tekken character after the Heihachi mii costumes. Especially since we had THREE CHOICES from Tekken. Heihachi, Kazuya, and Jin. The three stars of the franchise. The mascot/crossover character/the original villain, the original hero turned villain, and the current hero also turned villain.
And we got the first protagonist of Tekken as a result. Plus another villain. Which is also great.
Ultimately I think Kazuya was a great choice.
Ink Thinks: There’s a lot of fighting game characters in Smash Ultimate!
Actual FGC reps: Only 5
Dog:…IT JUST DON’T ADD UP!?!
And only 4 movesets
5 fighting game reps in a 82 total roster of a crossover fighting game.
_Oh nooo tooo many!!_
Only 4, actually. Ryu, Ken, Terry and Kazuya. Unless you’re counting Akira as well.
@@AarturoSc Akira is an assist Trophy. I referred to Min Min. Min Min is a FGC. ARMS is a Fighting Game.
@@shcgrunt Not really. It’s an arena fighter. Those aren’t really in the same vein.
Ayumi Takabana
So Ayumi is one of the main characters of the famicom detective series and was previously considered for melee by Sakurai, I believe despite being over looked by a lot of people very often that she is more likely than a lot of the most speculated characters like Doom Slayer, Crash Bandicoot, Master Chief, Impa, a gen 8 pokemon, BOTW Zelda, Dante, Phoenix, Sora or Hayabusa.
1 i)Sakurai wants her-While the question of how much power Sakurai has is controverial and up for debate (personally I think he has more power than he lets on but nintendo makes the overall decision unless he can't make a character work) during melee development, “Well, I was thinking about it during the Melee days, Famicon Detective Club…Ayumi even has her own Trophy in that game. But in the end, there’s no way she’d work overseas, so…but I do like Famicon Detective Club.” we can assume that if she was more well known overseas she would already be in
1 ii) nothing is holding her-my last point could be counted by "Sakurai also wanted/wants [blank]" but most of those blanks have either got in, got in a different form or have something pretty obvious holding them back like geno being held back by his 3rd party status and complete irrelivence while characters like min min, pyra/mythra and terry all got in who Sakurai wanted.
2) promotion-Her games are having a remake which could be seen as a good promotion oppotunity for nintendo as it could lead to an increase in the 2 games sales and even potentially her series being revived twitter.com/nintendolife/status/1406918576108417026?s=19
3) Nintendo lacks a core Visual novel series-nintendo has core frantises in most genres but visual novels is one of the exceptions, it would make sense for nintendo to hope with the remakes to finally get a core visual novel series and this could be easily be achived though good promotion though a character in smash
4) VERY SPECULATIVE some people think Jon has sources and he tweeted this twitter.com/JonComms/status/1387106867617353732?s=1
This isn’t aimed at you, Ink, and is just in response to the drama surrounding Kazuya being “yet another fighting game character.” Isn’t Smash technically a fighting game? So, isn’t every character in Smash technically a “fighting game character?” It seems like people just keep finding new ways to complain about this game.
There’s also really isn’t that many fighting game characters, especially when comparing it to other genres such as rpg’s and platformers
@@colinbrown4562 I was thinking the same thing. I figured the hypocrisy of being angry at “fighting game characters in my fighting game” was the bigger issue though.
@@GurrenPrime I think people are just making excuses for not getting the character that they want. However, these same people would come up with complaints about any of the main fan favorite characters as well. No one will be happy.
@@colinbrown4562 agreed. The shotos, Min Min, Terry, and Kazuya make 5. I don’t see that as overrepresentation. Honestly i’d be totally cool with another fighting game character being added, since we’ve already had several jrpg characters added back fo back.
Edit: I know ARMS isn’t one of the traditional fighters and it’s more niche, but it’s still a fighting game. People usually only group the other 4 cause they’re traditional and play like so but still. Not sure if Punch out counts as one either.
I don’t remember who it was that said it whether it was Sakurai, Reggie before he left or someone else from Nintendo but one of them said something along the lines of getting fans of various other franchises into Smash and that’s their approach with the DLC when it cane to the third party characters.
I was reminded of this recently after seeing reaction videos from Tekken fans seeing Kazuya’s reveal and how they went and bought a Switch and Smash, that 100% is what Nintendo wanted. And of course it helps out the owners of these third party characters because then the sales of their games increase, after Hero came out more people outside Japan were buying Dragon Quest games, after Terry came out, more people were buying the Fatal Fury and KOF ports and now those people are waiting on KOF15 along with the KOF veterans.
In the context of the first party games though, yeah those are very much attempts at getting more sales out of those games, that was made especially clear when they told us we were getting an ARMS character and on that same day they released an ARMS demo which was 3 years after the game’s release so Nintendo were very much trying to get more sales out of that game and that was most likely the intent with Byleth and Pyra/Mythra and their respective games.
True! We need this to be pinned since it is such a good explanation on how the dlc is working in smash
For the first party rep being in the sell their game part isn’t really accurate to Pyra&mythra, since they stopped printing physical versions of XC2 before smash released.
So I’m pretty sure Pyra&mythra got in because of popularity and relevancy.
@@Zoroark_Master Xenoblade 2 is still being sold digitally though.
@@doom3926 digital version don’t really hit the same way and most peoples would prefer a physical version. (If it was really for advertisement they definitely would’ve started back printing physical version of the game)
@@Zoroark_Master People buy digitally more than most are aware, it’s the whole reason why Microsoft and Sony have digital only versions of their current systems because digital purchases have been doing so well.
In the context of Xenoblade 2, just last November it was known to us that the game sold 2.05 million units, and at that point within the last few months, 160,000 copies sold, if what you say is true that they stopped making printing physical copies before Smash Ultimate’s release then most if not all of those those, and most likely more sales than that had to be digital copies and Xenoblade Definitive Edition may have been responsible for Xenoblade 2 getting some extra sales like that which Nintendo and Monolithsoft most likely wanted. For some extra perspective, those 2.05 million units were 2020’s sales, when the sales numbers for the game was reported in 2019 it was 1.92 million. Again, most if not all of the sales between that time in 2019 to November 2020 had to be digital copies and this isn’t even going into digital copies the game must’ve sold before physical copies stopped being printed.
So from there it’s not unreasonable to believe that a similar jump in Xenoblade 2’s sales happened after Pyra/Mythra’s release which, again Nintendo and Monolithsoft most likely wanted that.
I think Rayman fits the pattern the most, based on every character in this fighters pass. This pass is much more deliberate than the previous one
Yeah I still hope we can get Rayman in the game. I'd be pretty happy if he were the last character added as dlc.
Yeah its all the characters that were considered for base game (Min Min, Pyra/Mythra) or couldn’t be added in base game (Sephiroth, Kazuya) or have negotiations going on (Steve)
Basically Second chances DLC Pass
Same here let's rooting for rayman #raymanforSmash
@@kazzfuchsia1073 Yes, and when we combine it with the parallel theory, Nintendo always gets two reps, Microsoft and Square Enix get 1, and then 2 wild card companies. in the first pass, it wasSega-Atlus and SNK. This time, it was Namco and someone else. Since Rayman has a Trophy render in smash 4, a cloud formation easter egg in K Rool's trailer, and Ubisoft is one of the only companies without a character but has a close enough relationship with Nintendo to create MArio + Rabbids, Rayman fits everything as if the stars have alligned for him.
@@kazzfuchsia1073 Yeah I’ve been saying this alot too. There making up for most things in this pass. Adding characters from games that were considered to get a rep in base game (Min Min & P/M). Finally adding a character that was negotiated for a long time (Steve). Adding a character from a poorly represented series so they could add more content for (Sephiroth). Kazuya could fit this trend/theme since Bandai Namco was lacking another character. I think Crash might be the last character as there was a rumor of a ‘5-year plan’ for him. The main thing that was going to happen in 2021 was him getting into Smash. And all other things on the other years had already happened. So it could be possible that Activision reached out to Nintendo about 5 years ago to negotiate with them so they could add Crash in Smash. Since by that time they were most likely planning on reviving the Crash series. Just my speculation
I’m thinking it will probably be a first party nintendo character or maybe even a smash exclusive character like a character from subspace emissary, just because this is the Last one.
I’m hoping it’s third party but it very well might be first party
this is not the last 1 the next one after this one is
At this point.
I’m personally hoping for Neptune from the Neptunia franchise.
(Other character I want are pretty much deconfirm or very unlikely for various reasons. Like celica from FE echoes, Elma from Xenoblade chronicles x, Mipha from BOTW, braixen from Pokémon XY, Spyro from Spyro etc. And Neptune is kinda the only realistic choice out of everything I would want, even if she’s herself not that likely)
But I got Pyra&mythra alone (specifically my most wanted), so I have no reason to complain.
I would rather stick with a 1st party.
This Fighters Pass has been Solely focused on going back and adding more to already existing or planned series, so I believe this will be the most logical start point. Series to watch out for would be pre-pass 1, lacking in content in some way, shape, or form, and finally, could have been mentioned before when the devs were talking about content that was considered.
I believe that an advance wars rep has become an actual possibility in terms of smash representation. The last fighter will likely be revealed in a Nintendo fall direct, and since directs are aimed at Nintendo’s core audience as opposed to the general crowd of E3, this fighter will likely be a first party rep. With the remake for the 2 GBA titles coming up, Nintendo may want to promote the game by adding a character from that series into smash. This thought is also supported by the idea that all of the first party picks, especially from the second fighters pass seem to have been chosen to promote series that Nintendo want people to be interested in; Min Min:ARMS Pyra/Mythra:Xenoblade
Smash community talking about how characters get in:Something something representation.
Nintendo:Yeah we just pick whoever we think would be cool in Smash.
If Sakurai puts one fighting game character in the game, then adds 10 JRPG characters in a row, and then adds another fighting game character, Smash fans are like “Woah, what’s with all the fighting game characters?!”
Smash Fan: Smash should be seen as a fighter!
Sakurai adds fighting game character.
Smash Fans: WHY ARE YOU ADDING SO MANY FIGHTING GAME CHARACTERS?!
Im looking forward to playing Kazuya 👍
It means leaks be dead. And I'm happy about that. I can finally enjoy not knowing who is next. Gotta try and ignore all future leaks til the last reveal now and assume they all a bunch of lying butt Mfers.
No need to take everything into gospel
Don't expect your most wanted or the most speculated in smash. That way you won't be disappointed as much
I think Smash Fighters Pass 2 could end with a character no one likes and is very controversial, Smash 4's DLC ended with Bayonetta (BC She won the Smash Ballot), Smash Ultimate's base roster ended with Incineroar, Smash Fighters Pass 1 ended with Byleth with Smash Ultimate before the controversial characters that got announced last (ether though the Base Roster or DLC) A Fighting game character was announced before the controversial character.
Ken was announced before Incineroar but in the same trailer to end the base roster for Smash Ultimate
Terry Bogard was announced before Byleth's reveal
Kazuya is from Tekken (a fighting game) and Smash Fighters Pass 2 could end with a character that no one wanted and hates.
i appreciate this video. i think the only predictable thing about sakurai is that he's unpredictable. hero, banjo, and maybe steve were the only characters out of both passes that anyone was able to predict. so it makes me snicker a bit when people cast out their popular, mainstream predictions so confidently
In a perfect world, we have all our most wanted characters in Smash. But in reality, we don’t & not all of our most wanted characters will make it in since it’s impossible for Nintendo & Sakurai to grant all of our wishes.
No matter how much people want Crash, Sora, Phoenix Wright, Master Chief, Geno, Dante, & many other highly requested characters, not all will make it since Nintendo choses characters that aren’t on many people’s radar, & they’re very unexpected, such as Joker & Sephiroth. That’s how life is. For people that are expecting Crash & other heavily requested characters in every Smash Reveals, just stop expecting them for Smash! Because you’ll be even more disappointed! I’m not telling you to give up hope for them. In fact, keep your hopes alive since it’s perfectly fine in believing in them. But putting your expectations too high for Crash & other characters will lead you to major disappointment to anger, & then to harassment to Sakurai & other people. It gets ugly by making it you total selfish pricks! So just shut the hell up people!
Anyway, one long last thing I got to say to them, expect the unexpected characters & don’t rely too much of the highly requested characters. I learned that a lot from Joker & Sephiroth.
I know predicting is hard, but we have to think outside of the box, outside the most wanted characters list. Like any video game character is possible now, heck maybe Nero from Devil May Cry, Yu Narukami from Persona 4, or Tingle from The Legend of Zelda Series might end up as the Final DLC Fighter, & I be cool with that since I’ll always accept & respect anything from Sakurai & Nintendo. Predicting is hard, & when the final DLC Fighter is about to get shown, we should lower our expectations just for safety until we see the character, whether we’re excited or not. That’s all I gotta say. Remember people, expect the unexpected.
Ultimate was the first time I really put some thought in who I wanted.
I wanted
5.Neptune from the neptunia series (not that likely, but the most likely out of the characters I want the most currently)
4.celica from FE echoes (FE character, not from the newest release, from a remake and byleth being added pretty much makes her not happening anytime)
3.Mipha from BOTW
2.Elma from Xenoblade chronicles x (Pyra&mythra pretty much deconfirm her)
1.Mythra (and pyra) without Rex (but expected and would’ve been fine with Rex)
I maybe currently only got 1/5 of them. But I got my N.1 most wanted, practically exactly how I wanted them, so I have 0 reasons to complain.
@@Zoroark_Master i think you might actually have the worst opinion out of anyone i have ever met or seen on the internet and i say that without a shred of a shadow of a doubt.
@@tataladdd4251 "I don’t like what you like, so your opinion is trash" what a mature response.
You know what’s a bad opinion? saying someone opinion is bad because they like/want something you don’t like/want or something different than what you like/want.
@@Zoroark_Master so you wanted some random weeaboo moe shit, a 9th FE rep and some unremarkable character from the one xenoblade nobody likes, and you still want people to be like “hmm, yes, that’s a nice line-up you got going on”
no man.
@@tataladdd4251 I think you might actually have the worst opinion out of anyone I have ever met or seen on the internet and I would say that without a shadow of a doubt but surprisingly, as much as you’re being an unnecessary ass because I want/like someone you don’t I’ve definitely seen worse (even so you’re extremely salty because someone dare to like/want something you don’t, kinda pathetic)
And you must be really out of the loop to genuinely think nobody like XCX or Elma.
I just want Rayman, but I don't know how likely he is to get in. I also watched a vid on how his moveset is perfect for Smash
I'm not much of a fighting game fan...but I dang well know about the Tekken lore and the fighters..more focused on The Mishimas. So seeing Kazuya coming in was amazing to see..and sure he's a fighting game character..so what. I'm just amazing Sakurai has implemented one of his 10 hit combos into the game..now that is dedication and determination.
But it also makes me think how would he and his team implement characters like Yorha Unit 2B from Nier Automata. Who I want in Smash. Or others like Doomguy, Master Chief, etc.
Conclusion: We were all wrong. There is no pattern. Whoever Sakurai wants.
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS THE WHOLE TIME
Actually Nintendo chooses the dlcs, not Sakurai
Nintendo chooses who comes to Smash...
@@thebowserdude still you get what he meant
@@Player-jh4ko you get what he meant
"A lot of fighting game characters" (4) It's just fascinating to me how smash players think that's a lot, while there are so many characters from one franchise (fire emblem)
I’m excited for kazuya but I would want doomguy and that would be my dream but ya know idk
I think that the four Champions have a good shot
They would Be unique, easy to get, and also in moderate fan demand
@Iron General 1234
The problem is if they can’t make Rex and Pyra work I don’t think BOTW can either.
So pretty much….. everyone is possible.
Except Goku.... ;(
My 3 pics. Scorpion - MK is now noticeably absent from Smash. Dovahkiin - Interesting 3rd party and Vault Boy is a Mii Gunner Skin. Reworked Master Hand - It feel be very appropriate to end things there.
I think this fighter pass 2 is all about the missing characters who did not make in smash 4 or smash bros ultimate before release
Like min min and pyra was 2017 maybe that time he did not find idea how to put him
Steve takes 5 or 6 years to make him
Cloud was December 2015 and Spheroth also in December 2020
For kazuya Sakurai ones said he want to put tekken character but he did not find a way to put him in smash
I think we will have pokemon decidueye he said before he was thinking to put him we will have
pokemon arceus coming soon good for marking
I can see that or maybe they'll put a Gen 8 Pokemon like Urshifu since they already decided on Incineroar to represent Gen 7. Im hoping I'm wrong because the amount of backlash especially from Kazuya.
People are nowadays getting spoilt that their favourites are not in the game so they disregard any character they don't know and complain by saying wasted slot. Hardly anyone in the West knew who Ness was so we were forced to know who he is as well as like and appreciate him. I hope people will give Tekken a chance due to Kazuya's inclusion. That's how I knew Kirby, Ness, Captain Falcon and Starfox.
Decidueye will never happen because we've already have a Gen 7 rep already in the game, and that includes Gen 8 because of the backlash of the Sword and Shield for all fans
Crash Bandicoot: Popular in Japan
All characters Mortal Kombat: MK is Banned in Japan.
Actually the developer of tekken Harada(who is a Japanese person obviously)himself said that mk isn't banned in Japan
crash ain't happening though
It would be cool to see crash but I think he isn't isn't most surprising pick since soo many people have asked for crash
That if he does get revealed than not many are going to be surprised
It's going to be like the banjo situation
Almost all the reactions were it's about time this chacter gets in
And not wow they added banjo I'm so surprised
Not banned, it's just outright not sold in Japan.
Still doesn't look good for MK at all, even if it's not a ban.
Crash still not likely at all.
I would like to see an another Mega Man character since I am a long time Mega Man fan and main. The only Mega Man character I can see joining Smash is Bass since he has no Mii costume of him yet. Bass would be a great inclusion of more anti-hero character fighters.
Fan favorites, Characters that make sense, throw it out the window. Nintendo has their own ideas don't seem to pay much attention to what hardcore fans think.
I still think
-a monster hunter rep
-a gen8 Pokémon specifically
-any character that is an assist in ultimate
-any character that had a DLC mii costume of them in the second pass (and to a certain degree, the ones from the first pass)
-a character from the same franchise as one of the other DLC in the pass
-impa from Zelda
Are all quite unlikely.
And thrust me, it isn’t really bias
(if I was bias, I would’ve rather zoroark be a playable character than a pokeball.
Also would’ve wanted:
-Celica from FE echoes
-Elma from Xenoblade chronicles x
-Mipha from Zelda BOTW
-Neptune from the Neptunia series
Over the likes of
-Kazuya from tekken
-Hero from dragon quest
-Terry from fatal fury
-Steve from minecraft)
Also lastly I remember most peoples saying "Pyra&mythra wouldn’t get in on their own without Rex" (even if I was hoping more for Pyra&mythra alone, I kinda was one of those)
Well we end up getting the character in the way peoples thought was not gonna happen (although because of technical limitations, like why ice climbers weren’t in smash4)
Slight correction when you said about byleth "who’s a game *game* that’s already widely represented in smash bros" is actually incorrect since FE 3 houses had no representation in smash before byleth got in (which I’m pretty sure you just meant *franchise* instead of game)
Bro I'm still holding out for porky to come to smash
Porky Minch last DLC ride or die
To that byleth's genre has decent representation is the biggest understatement
Kinda sad Crash wasn’t revealed but I’m happy for fans of Tekken
Me too. Tekken is my childhood game.
I was expecting Crash as well due to him being the most realistic choice and of course I love the series, but at the same time because I love playing Tekken as well back in the PS1 days. Im happy with Kazuya especially the fact that Bandai Namco made Smash and they only have one rep which is Pacman. So a Tekken character was a long time coming and I didn't expect it to happen but I'm glad it did
At least you're not toxic like the other crash fans
@@thebowserdude thanks :)
I feel like Hat Kid from A Hat in Time somewhat follows the pattern
Mathew or Felix from Golden Sun is possible and Lloyd Irving from Tales of Symphonia are my predictions, but my expectations are low.
I want to keep it that way.
Lloyd is coming as a Mii costume with Kazuya because Bandai Namco.
Mark my words, and weep with me.
@@MHSchonberg I have a feeling he will be a Mii Costume as well, but I shall weep yet also overcome.
They need to have a comeback mechanic. 80% of the time, it works everytime
A character that I seen no one but myself have advocated for being in smash bros is excalibur/the operator from warframe
Does that mean you're not going to make a "Problem with Scrimblo Bimblos" video that caused discourse prior to Kazuya's reveal?
Really we’ve only gotten like 2 platforming reps for DLC, so it’d be nice to get a third
if you think about it, more fgc reps are better since there’s now 4 (if you count ken) which brings more variety, all with different play styles
Yeah, we just have so many fighting game characters, don't we?
All..... 4 of them! 5 if you count Min Min.
How about a roguelike rep? I think it would be interesting to see how the mechanics of roguelikes could translate to Smash.
I believe that we will be seeing Kos-mos in a future installment of smash bros, as thanks to Pyra getting added to smash. It shows that Nintendo is interested in adding more fighters from the Xeno franchise and Kos-mos is the face of the franchise.
Or just because Xenoblade is a popular first party franchise with 2 highly praised games on the switch.
@@Zoroark_Master Wish it was 3 but XBX is stuck on the Wii U
@@Thorcarmine XCX is my favourite game of all time. so if anything, I’m in the group who desperately want it to be ported.
@@Zoroark_Master Yes same here
Based on what's sakurai has been saying lately my guess is the final fighter is a sword character from a series sakurai really likes.
So it could be sora, wander, zero, etc.
ObeseROB
Source? Also no Sony because Nintendo and Sony don’t seem to get along.
@@davidkerr7350 mynintendonews.com/2021/03/04/sakurai-reiterates-that-its-not-his-decision-whether-to-include-sword-fighters-in-smash-ultimate/
That one's for the sword.
The quote saying sakurai is personally excited for the final 4 was in the November famitsu but it got buried by the second November famitsu so if you want you can look for it.
Sony and Nintendo get along fine now. In fact, Nintendo had to ask Sony for some of the songs that came with sephiroth in smash. I don't know if they'd go for wander but it's a possibility
Totally agree, Sora is one of the candidates as one of the last fighters. I don't see why Sora's English VA would be a union actor when he still reprise the character throughout the series and with no replacements.
@ObeseROB
Wait Sephiroth songs are owned by Sony I thought they are owned by Square Enix since they own Sephiroth.
@@davidkerr7350 so basically back in the 90's and early 2000's squarsoft gave partial ownership to everyone involved with the music. This resulted in the ownership of final fantasy music being all over the place and a legal nightmare to obtain(which sakurai mentioned is why cloud got so little content in 4 and ultimate).
Advent children however only had square, Warner bros and Sony working on the music so the rights to the songs from the movie are easier to get hense sephiroth got more music in thanks to sony
Dante, now smash dlc are connecting to each other. Dante would be great for multi weapon like byleth.
Or Egg man because idk be cool and could connect by another rep
Hahahahahahahahaha
A Character that alot of people aren't forward is Dixie Kong. She's 1st party, underrepresented, planned for Brawl, and isn't a hyped character like what most people are seeing with the dlc pass.
Honestly I'm not how many people are talking about this, but I would love to see Demi-fiend from shin megami tensei nocturne, I mean we got joker and it would pretty cool to rep another Atlus series plus SMT came before persona so I it makes sense
We should all prepare for the worst case scenario. A gen 8 pokémon is very likely to happen.
I feel like in the wake of the lack of spirit event (remember Byleth?) and now ESPECIALLY after Kazuya showing up, Frisk is a character being severely overlooked by the fanbase.
but maybe i'd like for it to stay that way because if everyone talks about frisk then their chances will instantly plummet given the fanbase's track record
I’m down for frisk to make it in smash. Cuphead had a spirit event, so why didn’t undertale?
we need a new sonic rep in my opnion
Didn't Nintendo decinfirm ant smash dlc like at all In the e3 direct they said that this is the last dlc
Mithos from tales of symphonia would be epic
why would they care ? , when they already choose and finalized all the dlc character from 2-3 years ago ,
recent speculation or recent request mean nothing , recent surge of popularity mean nothing
If popular request going to matter it's going to be at least 3 years old popular request and not recent one.
At this point I expected the last one to be a 1st party pick and it's going to promote Breath of the Wild 2 , since that make the most sense
The game announced in 2019 which mean it's already been in development at least before then , if not at the end of development schedule of BOTW 1.
Pretty sure most DLC choice for the second pass were only finalized in 2019 (not because Steve was in negotiations for 5 years that every character from the second pass were also negotiated for that long)
Hoping for it being Eggman or Crash(altough Waluigi also would be Nice)
Not 100% on a MK character, I'm pretty sure that Japanese people didn't like the goriness in the MK franchise, why do you think they censored all M-rated games like Resident Evil from every scene that is gory.
I think the most likely character is Dragaux.
Here comes the Legend of Zelda rep and/or a Koei tecmo rep even a Hyrule warriors rep
I agree 5:18, nintendo can do the hell they want
I think it means Kazuya is joining Smash bros
Honestly I think the character is gonna be a semi popular character. Not over the top like Crash and Master Chief but also not super underwhelming like a Pokémon or Mario character. Smash 4 ended with Bayonetta (who’s popular but not REALLY popular). Like Rayman, Phoenix Wright, Astral Chain or even indie characters like Shantae, Reimu and Hollow Knight comes to mind.
its gonna be sora im calling it now
I think e.m.m.i from the upcoming metroid dread. Ever since md was announced and e.m.m.i was reveal i was thinking about it being in smash....
3:48 you can't have an MK character and not have the insane gore and dismemberment. Takeing that away from any MK character robs them of the series identity. So it's not possible
Mean while Mario getting *stabbed through the chest*
@@TheDamnRat let's forget that he wasn't actually stabbed, but thats different from the massive amounts of gore that defines MK
@@riden1234567 I was joking lol
@@TheDamnRat understandable have a nice day.
"a lot of fighting game characters"
3 and an echo
In all fairness, before kazuya, we’ve only got one bandi namco character (pac-man)and they’ve also made the game, so it makes somewhat scenes
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. I've seen his happen at least 9 something times now and I think the only time it was "correct" was Banjo & Kazooie. Its a bit silly how the Smash speculation scene sticks to the same 5 to 10 characters, only for the DLC to be someone they didn't predict but made a ton of sense in hindsight, temporarily lose their minds and then go back to the very same 5-10 characters.
Another thing that people either completely overlook or are unwilling to admit is that Smash is very heavily tilted towards Japanese-made games, and the very few Western-made games that made it in are ones that are also super popular in Japan or had a huge influence on Nintendo in the past (Banjo-Kazooie). I've become super wary of character suggestions being ones of Western origins, especially ones where the game series isn't popular in Japan, or in the case of Mortal Kombat, banned.
I've got my dream character (Amaterasu from Okami) but at this point its healthier to go with the flow and get excited for whoever they reveal, even if its someone you've never heard of (it never hurts to learn about a game series through Smash anyway).
Yeah the western thing is definitely what's going against most fan picks. Albeit with some minor exceptions.
I think Porky has a very good chance of being the last dlc character. He’s nowhere to be seen in smash, and that is extremely odd to me.
@Guy Person
Their are other Nintendo characters that aren’t spirits too you know(Sylux and Adeleine for example.)
Imagine that he gets revealed and he kills everyone
I would lose my shit if we got a MK rep
best puzzle game rep would be zak from zak and wiki idc if nobody knows him
RAYMAN OR EGGMAN IS GONNA BE LAST DLC CHARACTER FOR SMASH ULTIMATE
@Yolo Price
It could be them or someone else.
dovahkiin is in babyyy
My favorite character is Shadow the hedgehog because it fits the fan rules don't matter.
5:06 Hello, fan favorite characters don't matter!? Banjo, Ridley, K.Rool so many fighters have been cites as influenced by the Wii U ballot and fan demand in interviews.
Also Pyra&mythra I might add
Since when is 4 of.a genre a lot?
Meanwhile...RPG
...oh boy. Half of the DLC, and a significant amount of the roster.
Also...how is ARMS anything BUT fighting genre?
I think when smash players think “fighting game”, they think of 2D / linear, which is what the majority of them are. I think it’s because ARMS is so different from most other fighting games and for being niche that people don’t really consider it to be one fully. I’m one of the rare few who groups Min Min with the other four.
To be perfectly honest... the question of 'who's going to get into Smash?' is becoming B.S. to me. Everyone is losing there minds over this and it's becoming a BIG problem to me. Nobody knows who it is and tries to figure it out, only to get there hopes up and waste there time. Seriously, I question this fan base in general.
We will get Balder from bayonetta for the last dlc.
next is akira from virtua fighter
the speculation community is kinda missing out on jet set radio. it's one of segas most influential franchises imo, it even inspired alot of games, some of these include butterflies, hover and other games. It's influence still bleeds into mainstream media today so i dont understand why no one even speculates them
Yes to this. Just look at Team Reptile's entire output for how much inspiration JSR gives. Lethal League is like a fighting game version of JSR. Not sure how likely it is, but Beat from Jet Set Radio is one of my dream picks for Smash. More obscure picks have happened. (I like Terry, but how many of you guys knew about him before he got into Smash?)
MONSTER HUNTER BOIS BACK IN SPECULATION
That exclusive monster hunter 2 spirit was the final nail in the coffin of it
Minecraft is sandbox.
Also survival...
Katsuhiro Harada say on twitter :
1. "You guys are a spammer. I talk with Mr.Sakurai & BandaiNamco's Smash development team so that your request will NOT be approved as much as possible."
2. "If you are still relentlessly spamming, that just means hampering the work of Masahiro Sakurai and Bandai Namco's Smash development team.
Just One Tweet is enough for request. DO NOT SPAMMING to us.
Developers don't negotiate with Spammer and terrorists."
One more thing, Harada hate spam For Smash (Just like a Sora, Master Chief, Spyro, and many more popular character in American and Europe)
Mortal Kombat doesn't even have official CERO rating because Netherrealm doesn't want to censor to go along with CERO. So, why don't you mention Japan as big block for Mortal Kombat? Do you think it's popular at all in east?
It means we won’t have Agumon and any monster tamer representative.
I have a hunch that the final character will actually be a Shin Megami Tensei character. SMT is a popular series and is Japanese franchise that would be easy to negotiate with. Especially since we have Joker from Persona 5 in the game. I feel like it's in a similar situation with Tekken where it is a popular series people know of that isn't being talked about much in the speculation scene, but when revealed people would react like "yeah that makes sense, why hasn't this happened sooner". My guess for the SMT character is either Demi Fiend from Nocturne or the new protagonist from SMT 5. The latter one might be tricky since the game isn't even released worldwide. And we don't know how early Sakurai got to play the game to think of a moveset for them. At least with Greninja, Corrin, and Byleth their games were out for 6 months before they were revealed for Smash.
What makes you say that?
I think Blaze is possible and she hasn’t mentioned a lot for smash, don’t you agree?
Do The Rises Of Weebl’s Stuff And Even Blitzwinger?
I know this is really obscure but we need more sega representation, more in line with the beat em up genre since we have no beat em up characters in smash, I’m thinking character like Ryo from shenmue, kiryu from yakuza, or go old school and have Axel Stone from streets of rage
#raymanforSmash
How is 4 fucking characters “alot”?
Could this mean we’ll get more tekken characters in the future
Very likely IF depends if Sakurai wasnt to make another Smash title or not
I think the last character is going to be a Monster Hunter character. It could be a Hunter, but I could also see them making one of the monsters playable. I just think Monster Hunter is way too popular to have content in the game but not get a playable character spot.
If not Monster Hunter, I think another possibility that people are overlooking is Animal Crossing. New Horizons is the 2nd best selling Switch game, and there are tons of AC characters that they could add. There are only two AC characters in the game at the moment. We have 10 Pokémon and Animal Crossing outsells Pokémon at this point, so I think a 3rd AC character is a strong possibility.
Monster hunter developers don’t like their character representing their franchise, rather the monsters so I don’t think so. And Isabelle fills the animal crossing roll
@@andimari9194 Reading is hard.
@@mrplow8 you’re the one that thinks a third AC character is a strong possibility😂
@@andimari9194 You forgot to put a period at the end of “You’re the one who thinks.”
@@mrplow8 you forgot to put a period at the end of “you forgot to put a period at the end.”
How would hollow knight fit in smash? That would be my choice for a video.
Maybe a video discussing Bomberman?
It means that crash bandicoot dream is dead