They see the future, but this ability is embedded in their language, the weapon as they call it - this is what the whole story is about. We know this for sure because Louise got the power as soon as she started to use the language, on Earth, in the normal atmosphere, without taking any drugs. Even if there was spice in the spaceship, Louise was exposed for just a few minutes, and this is not how spice works. The users need a continuous supply. Their spaceships definitely moved without moving, but that's the only connection. But it's an interesting thought, don't be encouraged by the party poopers.
In both films, the central character (Paul and Louise) is caught in a dilemma, in an existential tension. Either he can go in the direction of a destiny which is not positive (death of Dr Banks' daughter or death of millions of people caused by Paul) and which is already determined in advance (destiny which he sees in the visions of his mind), or he dares to resist this destiny and free himself from it, at the risk of subsequently having the deep regret of not being in harmony with the alignment of the stars. In both films, Arrival and Dune, a fragile faith ultimately leads the central character to delve into the gray area of morality where good and evil are not part of the horizon.
I can see what you're getting at, and there are some interesting similarities which would be cool if they lined up. However, I think one of the crux here is not Denis, but Ted Chiang, the author of Stories of Your Life and Others which Denis adapted into Arrival. If Ted read Dune and used guild navigators as the basis for Heptapods, then there could be some credence here. But I don't know much about the book or Ted, so you'll have to look into that yourself if you wanna pursue this theory.
Would be a great idea if the Dune series wasnt from books already written and was just a modern story that could go in any direction. Then you could do it.
Interesting thought. The main point going for it that I see is that "learning" the heptapod language retraing her mind to be able to see the future too. That implies that they have a LOT in common with humans. But I think that it is pure coincidence though.
@@ControlAltPete Even if it was spice, in the Dune universe the female ability to see the future is limited, and bound to the female side of the bloodline from what I recall.
No. Your theory has no meat on the bones. For starters in Arrival the Aliens, yes they are Aliens, have completely different DNA than us and think (there language structure) in the past, present and future at the same time. The navigators in Dune can see the future, but it's still very limited. And they still think like humans, past, present and future are separate.
The prescience implications in Dune are fascinating, too. In Dune Messiah we are educated, that guild navigators, due to their limited form of prescience, can hide from Pauls vision in the same limited way they can see into the future. The implication here is, that only people with prescience can decide the future and have free will, while the others are on rails and follow the influences. Yet Paul and Leto II lament, that they cannot escape from a predetermined path, otherwise humans will be destroyed. The implication here is, that the people with prescience have no choice and are on rail, while the ones without future sight can choose freely and in the moment.
when your young you like drawing conclusions, and making generalizations,, also this is just artwork and story telling, this is just a way to make money selling ad space and generating content.
The theory is not out of the question. Dennis is a HUGE fan of dune. It is absolutely possible the inspiration of ARRIVAL was partially from his obsession of DUNE. That would be a good question to ask him. ;)
Spice doesn't allow for Navigators (Males) to see into the past. They see the present and the possible futures when ODing on Spice. The Benejerserate see the past memories when taking the water of life, pure spice essense. A Quesat Saterak back do both, but not see alternate pasts because the path has already been travelled. ...perhaps the next stage of developing a supreme being, or Quesat Saterak (however it is spelled) involves travel to the past, and altering past timelines. For now, Dune was only focused on shaping the future to ensure humanity endured no matter the adversity or rise of Artificial Intelligence deciding to purge all of humanity for its imperfections. The question for Immortality of a species was the Golden Path. The what-ifs to be built on that concept, we have yet to weave a story for.
@@Swappin.Thoughts Your Theory may very well be a what-if for the post Golden Path Kwisatz Haderach program. After the future was secured for Humanity, fixing the mistakes of the past may have been the next agenda to be addressed. So, post Golden Path Navigator-Kwisatz Haderach types?
well, you talk like about ww2 happaned during roman times or something, just because someone took inspiration of dune creature doesnt mean... well you are just wate of time and you know it, some people arent emant to think, now go flip the burger
Dune is a universe with no non-human intelligence.
That was Frank Herbert's entire premise of the series.
Butlerian Jihad
@@franklinwilliams3213 but that was destroyed
... sandworms...
@@treborkroy5280 INTELLIGENT Life.
Sandworms ain't so bright.
The machines can never be destroyed. They are smarter than us, smart enough to send backups far out into unexplored space.
No, they're really not.
Was it at least worth thinking about?
I bet you’re fun at parties
@@Swappin.Thoughtsnope
@@Swappin.Thoughts There are no aliens whatsoever in the Dune universe. Except for the Machines, man is completely alone.
They see the future, but this ability is embedded in their language, the weapon as they call it - this is what the whole story is about. We know this for sure because Louise got the power as soon as she started to use the language, on Earth, in the normal atmosphere, without taking any drugs. Even if there was spice in the spaceship, Louise was exposed for just a few minutes, and this is not how spice works. The users need a continuous supply. Their spaceships definitely moved without moving, but that's the only connection. But it's an interesting thought, don't be encouraged by the party poopers.
I appreciate your understanding, and yeah I knew it was pretty far fetched going in but I thought I’d give it a shot. 😂
Nope not buying that for one second. Arrival might have stolen influence from Dune 😂
Bro get off your computer and go outside
Never allow broe to cook again
keep grinding though.much love
I appreciate the love, I’ll try to keep my cooks more realistic next time. 😂
In both films, the central character (Paul and Louise) is caught in a dilemma, in an existential tension. Either he can go in the direction of a destiny which is not positive (death of Dr Banks' daughter or death of millions of people caused by Paul) and which is already determined in advance (destiny which he sees in the visions of his mind), or he dares to resist this destiny and free himself from it, at the risk of subsequently having the deep regret of not being in harmony with the alignment of the stars. In both films, Arrival and Dune, a fragile faith ultimately leads the central character to delve into the gray area of morality where good and evil are not part of the horizon.
So do you think that similarly is intentional, or just because it’s directed by the same person?
I think Denis would speak to this if it were true. It's a fascinating thought, though.
True 😂
I can see what you're getting at, and there are some interesting similarities which would be cool if they lined up. However, I think one of the crux here is not Denis, but Ted Chiang, the author of Stories of Your Life and Others which Denis adapted into Arrival. If Ted read Dune and used guild navigators as the basis for Heptapods, then there could be some credence here. But I don't know much about the book or Ted, so you'll have to look into that yourself if you wanna pursue this theory.
You make good points. Tbh, a theory is a theory and usually there is nothing true about it, but it’s meant to make you think of what’s possible.
Not even going to watch. Just came on to say, "No. They're not."
Doctor the patient didn't take his meds again
😂😂
Why would you even want/need them to be? They're from very different written works
Darth Binks is more plausible.
And no, TES amd Fallout aren't in the same universe either. Nirn has two moons.
😂😂
Would be a great idea if the Dune series wasnt from books already written and was just a modern story that could go in any direction. Then you could do it.
True
Interesting thought. The main point going for it that I see is that "learning" the heptapod language retraing her mind to be able to see the future too. That implies that they have a LOT in common with humans. But I think that it is pure coincidence though.
Yeah you probably right 😂
Louis only gained the ability to see non-linear time after breathing the spice gas!
@@ControlAltPete Even if it was spice, in the Dune universe the female ability to see the future is limited, and bound to the female side of the bloodline from what I recall.
No.
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No. Your theory has no meat on the bones. For starters in Arrival the Aliens, yes they are Aliens, have completely different DNA than us and think (there language structure) in the past, present and future at the same time.
The navigators in Dune can see the future, but it's still very limited. And they still think like humans, past, present and future are separate.
Yeah true, I tried to get enough info to make it worth thinking about, but theories are just theories in the end.
The prescience implications in Dune are fascinating, too. In Dune Messiah we are educated, that guild navigators, due to their limited form of prescience, can hide from Pauls vision in the same limited way they can see into the future. The implication here is, that only people with prescience can decide the future and have free will, while the others are on rails and follow the influences.
Yet Paul and Leto II lament, that they cannot escape from a predetermined path, otherwise humans will be destroyed. The implication here is, that the people with prescience have no choice and are on rail, while the ones without future sight can choose freely and in the moment.
when your young you like drawing conclusions, and making generalizations,, also this is just artwork and story telling, this is just a way to make money selling ad space and generating content.
Theories are just meant to think about. There is usually nothing true about it. A theory is just a theory.
The theory is not out of the question. Dennis is a HUGE fan of dune. It is absolutely possible the inspiration of ARRIVAL was partially from his obsession of DUNE. That would be a good question to ask him. ;)
Yeah look he's a great director. Dune isn't his world. He can have head cannon, and so can we. But Dune is not related to Arrival.
That’s true, although that might explain the similarities.
There are no computers in dune. There are computers in Arrival
@@camerongrant8344 noted,
Bullshit
Spice doesn't allow for Navigators (Males) to see into the past. They see the present and the possible futures when ODing on Spice.
The Benejerserate see the past memories when taking the water of life, pure spice essense.
A Quesat Saterak back do both, but not see alternate pasts because the path has already been travelled.
...perhaps the next stage of developing a supreme being, or Quesat Saterak (however it is spelled) involves travel to the past, and altering past timelines.
For now, Dune was only focused on shaping the future to ensure humanity endured no matter the adversity or rise of Artificial Intelligence deciding to purge all of humanity for its imperfections.
The question for Immortality of a species was the Golden Path. The what-ifs to be built on that concept, we have yet to weave a story for.
*Bene Gesserit
*Kwisatz Haderach
Maybe the butlerian jihad was actually the war with skynet
I see… you’ve spotted the flaws in my theory. 🫡
@@Swappin.Thoughts Your Theory may very well be a what-if for the post Golden Path Kwisatz Haderach program. After the future was secured for Humanity, fixing the mistakes of the past may have been the next agenda to be addressed. So, post Golden Path Navigator-Kwisatz Haderach types?
Nah. Cute, but no.
No
Have a nice day ☺
I hope YOU have a nice day. 🫡
well, you talk like about ww2 happaned during roman times or something, just because someone took inspiration of dune creature doesnt mean... well you are just wate of time and you know it, some people arent emant to think, now go flip the burger
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Interesting thought
If you subscribe I’ll be able to give you even more interesting thoughts 😉
Why are so many people in the comment section offended? Nice theory dude
Thanks! At least someone understands what a theory actually is. 😆
Because it´s a shitty clickbait theory
Denis Villeneuve ruined Dune, and Arrival is trash.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, regardless of how fucking stupid they are. 😅
How’s arrival trash?
@@sebbyh9764 it contains the "boot strap paradox".
😂😂
Elaborate