Hey guys, just to clear up some confusion about our statement at the end, what we were referring to was the period in OWL where because of the delayed patches for the pros in Season 1, Stage 2 and Stage 3 following Mercy's nerfs were Brigitte free up until Stage 4 and saw a bit more double sniper and the dominance of dive/counter-dive with Winston/DVa/Lucio/Zen at the peak of the metagame. While Mercy was still played afterward it wasn't at the pick rates as it previously was which is something that we should have noted. GOATS which we've covered in another video came into full swing during the summer of 2018: ua-cam.com/video/b_qWFax0JKg/v-deo.html
Thanks for taking the time to read the comments and talk about things that were confusing. Other OW UA-camrs would just call these people "haters" and move on to make another 10 min rambling video.
Akshon Esports it’s arguable that dive was still played during moth meta. It wasn’t TRUE dive, with the two original dive supports, but mercy dive was definitely a thing
Yes of course! It wasn't as if she dropped off super hard out of relevancy. She was still played a fair amount, but what we saw was more breathing room opening up for other Support heroes which is a good point to bring up.
Hey! Thanks for bringing this point up. We wanted to keep this video to the period of Oct 2017 - Feb 2018 as that was when "moth meta" was at its prime. The change you mentioned (which is quite the nerf) was pushed to the PTR in July of 2018.
I mean with this nerf she went from dominant main support to sharing time with Lucio in early GOATS while she was played in sniper metas. I think this nerf was necessary, it was the last change to do to balance it well. After GOATS became dominant, Mercy still saw playtime (although it was during stage 3, at the end of the meta) in DPS heavy comps.
@@RLutin I think it was necessary for player perspective, but now that player perspective sees her heals as dogshit and the other supports as good, I dont see why she shouldn't get 60hps again. It was just her heal nerf that made the other supports better though, it was the other supports also getting buffs.
Aside from the fact that Mercy has been played and performing fine since July 2018 (with heals being 50 hps) you’re really not taking into account the value she gets with 60 hps for how little the effort.
What’s surprising is the within a few years the devs managed to kill this game, instead of reworking heroes completely they could’ve just introduced hard counters to the game, not destroy the overwatch that got everyone to play in the first place.
@@MagicalVaati you’re telling me instead of just introducing an anti Brigitte counter it was better to rework nearly every hero around her (like they did) and force a 2-2-2 comp? If it was good that way why did the game die?
@@Twizzzums Brigitte herself was a hard counter answer to Dive. She was designed specifically to do what you’re saying and she ended up being the worst thing that ever happened to the game. Essentially, you’re saying they should’ve tried to cure a plague with another plague, which might’ve fixed the Brigitte problem, but created a hundred more problems in the process. The game’s balance is a lot more delicate than people like to pretend. Metas come and go; heroes shouldn’t be designed with the intention of hard countering them.
@@MagicalVaati They ended doing exactly what you’re complaining about wdym my guy 😂 Dive turned into GOATS because of Brigitte when all they had to do was force a DPS to hard counter briggitte which would’ve destroyed GOATS considering she was the essential part of that meta. Forcing at least one DPS character to be played.
@@moth5414 Honestly just adding the cast time to her old ult would have balanced it since the main problem was her being able to instantly cast it in the middle of the enemy team. It was a low risk, high reward ability. But I wouldn't trade new Mercy for the world. Her old movement was extremely sluggish compared to how it is now and she was far more dependent on teammates. She essentially just feels more fluid now
@@devotion__x1206 yep. She isn't a main support anymore She designt have an defensive ult, she neither has an offensive ult, her rez is basically dying and her healing isnt good
Yeah at least in Masters, I get screamed at if I pick her nowadays. She’s really only good during poke phase nowadays when no one is taking focused Fire.
I love freedo but good god is this accurate or hell do the opposite by putting something in the title or something and just glossing it over at some point during a 15 minute rant about some side topic
as much as i like watching their news roundup, i just dont like freedo. he sounds very entitled for someone whos been on grandmaster for too long to call himself a pro player. also, he called sombra a support at one point
@@yule304 Mercy is much more about positioning and decision making than just pressing shift and holding right click. I pretty much get yelled at by my teammates immediately anytime I pick mercy so I just play Ana now.
Sabrina Jackson it does not take any more skill. You literally speed boost at the choke and push your tanks in. That’s all it takes to play Lucio. He’s just as brain dead as Mercy. He wouldn’t do well in low ranks if he wasn’t easy. Overall he has a six times higher pickrate and a 2% higher winrate when all ranks are taken into account. So he gets used WAY more and still wins more than she does. Even in fucking Bronze he has an ELEVEN percent higher pickrate than Mercy and a 3% higher winrate. So he’s getting picked WAY more often than her and STILL winning way more often. He’s stupid easy to win with. I’m so sick of people pretending he’s actually difficult. When Bronze players are better with him than Mercy, that’s pretty telling. Maybe you’re getting Lucio confused with Zenyatta, the actually difficult off healer? If you want to check anything I wrote, just go to Overbuff and look through the heroes page. Mercy isn’t particularly good anywhere and has negative winrates until Diamond. Funnily enough, that’s usually how the more difficult to play heroes like Ashe’s winrates behave. The only difference is that Mercy’s winrates never really jump dramatically like theirs do once they get higher up.
I mean they buffed Lucio so wallride lasts forever, beat drop gives 750 health up from 500, and boop doesn’t take ammo/sends people further. I’m not saying he’s braindead, but he became substantially easier to play after that.
@@xjustaprofile hes easy in lower sr, but once u get to higher sr, you have to be much more positionally skilled, and use your aura swap more intelligently. Wall riding isn't just for getting to ur team faster, it helps u stay alive if you are very skilled at it. So yes, he's FAR more skilled than mercy.
While I think she was OP asf and needed changes/nerfs after her rework they completely gutted the hero. The dev's wanted her to be more fun and engaging but then deleted everything fun and engaging about her kit. Her healing is too low, her rez is too clunky, her ult is mediocre, her dps was nerfed, her speed was nerfed, and all of her direct impact was just put in the garbage. Like again, she needed nerds but it was just too much. She's not even a hero anymore, she's just a side kick. I'm lucky if my team mates even notices I'm healing them. Like some on dude, I wanna play Mercy/Zen again.
I think whats worse is that they took so long to address what went wrong with her rework that made her OP. Sure, she was too fast, and her pistol did too much, but at the end of the day, it was rez that was the problematic piece. Which was made worse since in order to balance it as a cd ability, they have to make it clunkier. I think shes meh, but she could use a mini-rework to make rez less clunkier as a cd and make Valk more impactful.
@@crestren5996 yaa I think shes meh as well. What I would do is make her E into a single target CC immunity for x amount of time. It would need to be put on someone before they get CCed. I think it would help her mid fight potential, raise her skill ceiling, and give her a little bit of carry potential. Like your Rein Shatter, you toss your E on him, mean enemy Ana throws her sleep dart but it doesn't go off because you kept your Rein protected. It would be good for Genji blade as well and might help his viability. We dont really have CC immunity things so I think it would be a cool ability for mercy. I also think rez should just be tied to her ult in some form .
The community: Thank god the devs nerfed that lower skill ceiling support, I hope a lower skill support never dictates the meta again. Brigitte: PepeLaugh Oh no no no
But actually Brig is on the same situation as Mercy in my opinion. A balanced hero that reward game sense and is still accessible and fun for every player.
4:49 oh that guardian angel patch reminds me the times when mercy in her early stages of 2.0 could fly so far at insane speeds with guardian angel. That was ridiculously fun with a pharah and was the early stages of her being able to jump during her guardian angel.
"BuT yOU cAn lAuncH yoUrselF inTo the AIR!!!" Yeah and get taken out by sniper. And yes, that's what someone had actually said to me in comp when he saw me performing superjump - Sumperjump is broken and makes her incredibly overpower because she can go vertically on her own... Dude didn't think about skilled snipers taking you out easily and even getting down the trick, smh
@@phloxy_fox96528 I can't even perform superjump bruh. That makes me one of the worst Mercy players out there when someone takes my main (Moira). I try to compensate by constantly having my ult doesn't really work out when I'm still trying to get it and a Reaper's on me.
@@esmeraldazamarripa8214 you should look up a guide and set aside some time to practice in the practice range, and if you learn it, I recommend using it as positioning to the high ground if needed.
Super jump is broken if it's done correctly, like pretty much everything else in this game. There's literally no reason to complain about it, or at least complain about actually broken heroes like Moira or Orisa before you complain about a single movement bug on an off meta hero
The hypocrisy of a dps like Reaper leaving the team fight to go hide and ult, or McCree, or Soldier, or Pharah, and others, but when a support tries do it. Heavens forbid.
You can kill or silence reaper mid ult. You can kill McCree mid ult. You can kill soldier mid ult. you can kill or silence Pharah mid ult. You couldn't do any of that with old Mercy. Her ult had no counterplay.
@@pickcollins9910 Hook the Mercy. Flashbang the Mercy. Sleep the Mercy. Harass the Mercy so she runs out to her team for protection. Follow the bright yellow/blue beam. These are for Mercies approaching for mass rez. It was very, very hard, but you could stop mass rez and cause her to lose ult with stuns. If she rezzed everyone, you did another ult. McCree, Reaper, D.Va, Zarya+other, Rein+other, well-placed Pharah, Genji or Genji+Ana. Mercy punished you for ult spam. It's not Mercy's fault you never learned not to hit Q the second the icon lit up.
Just a little nitpick, but the addition of cast time on Rez was not what cemented her fall off the meta, it was actually the support patch afterwards what truly did her for good. Her healing went from 60hps to 50hps on her primary fire and her Valkyrie heals too. Alongside every other healer but brig was buffed, so Mercy's pick rate and win rate took a dive. Blizzard later reverted her healing nerf on Valkyrie as she went from balanced to underpowered after that patch. I wouldn't say she's "fine" at the moment, thanks to power creep on dps almost any dps can outdamage her healing, and she is currently picked as a flex/hybrid healer without the benefits of having an actual off healer such as having a strong defensive Ult or the benefit of having another main healer such as Ana, Bap or Moira since her healing is not only single target but low too.
"DPS power creep" you seem to be completely uninformed about how a game functions as an FPS. Damage is supposed to always be higher than healing, not the other way around and some of the best DPS in the game currently (Hanzo) are only equalling dmg per 10 min, to both Orisa and Sigma. The power creep has always been on the supports and tanks, which is why akshon accurately keeps making these videos on healers, tanks and healer/tank focused metas. DPS have never and still isn´t the problem with balance in the game.
@@bailly1998 Yo do know that dps power creep is on all classes, right? Or do you think only the damage category can shoot? Damage and Tank dps buffs that increase their "dps" are part of the dps power creep. Dps as in "damage per second" not the Damage Category. Seems like the one needing information is you, pal.
@@koto2211 Funny you call it DPS power creep, when that is only one role that has that name funnily enough. The damage creep of all classes is true, but still the numbers speak for themselves, seldom have we seen (OP DPS, as people wrongfully call Hanzo), yet still easily matched by two barrier tanks. The classic trio is Tank/Healer/DPS, and you quite easily said this with "all most any DPS, can out damage her". So no reason to play smart and back peddle now, you are wrong move on sweetheart. If you are still mad, go look at the wayback machine and the current stats.
@@bailly1998 You know darling, maybe you should try "acting smart" and go back to my original comment because last time I checked, I said "almost any dps can outdamage her healing" as in, "almost any damage per second can outheal her healing (per second)" not "only heroes in the damage category can outdamage her" because tanks and supports have received dps buffs. DPS was an already existing term in videogame before overwatch, and it always meant Damage Per Second, I'm surprised a connoisseur of "FPS games" don't know dps means something else besides "a hero in the damage category on overwatch" Lastly you say I'm wrong and backpedalling yet you first state that the power creep existed on tanks and supports, yet on your second comment you admit all classes have been power crept. So like, how am I wrong if you said the exact same thing I did? (that there has been a damage power creep in the game) are we both wrong then? The only thing you have said differently is insinuating that it's okay for damage heroes to be power crept but not tanks and supports because it's an FPS game. Which is cool but this also a MOBA hybrid, and mechanics like Rez, Immortality and barriers fit the MOBA aspect of the game better than the FPS aspect of it. The game currently has an issue where there is too much damage being dealt that it needs crazy amounts of healing to sustain it, you can't nerf one and leave the other alone, even if damage heroes should deal more damage than healers can heal because "it's a FPS game".
@@koto2211 1. Power creep on all roles is not a creep it is a progression. A slow and gradual one as more heroes come out and the game is updated and fine tuned. That is always gonna happen, a creep is a substantial difference between old and new, where no new heroes in the DPS category has ever actually showcased this even Hanzo is far behind any of the tanks or healers that has been introduced, let alone reworked. 2. The creep is mainly on the healers and tanks look at the stats, that clearly show it 3. Your original comment is still clearly talking about DPS, not damage in general. 4. It isn´t a moba hybrid never has been, it was launched as an FPS and now is a hero shooter, blizzard has never stated to have any connection to a MOBA, so stop making more assumptions. 5. You keep back peddling and is just factually wrong, you can even look it up to see, just go and see top damage of tanks now vs back then. 6. No MOBA in the world do you even "Heal" and out sustain damage to begin with, so what is the issue in targets living longer ? They are pushing out 3-2-1 and bans just to reduce the insane amount of time targets are living, GOATS, Double shield and the rest of comps are all showcasings of powercreept, healing/CC/Utility and defense not damage. if you need more help understanding this, dont add me, use a dictionary.
TBH I still think Mass Res wasn't an issue. The hide and seek thing was a nonissue, and even if was, they could have just put LoS on her ult like Lucio and Zen have. Then you couldn't just stand behind walls, and if you wanted to res people on high ground, you'd have to make clever use of your GA and aerial mobility to bring them back with others. Idk why they never tried that before removing it completely.
@@pickcollins9910 Again, having LoS on it would help with that, and they maybe could even give it a cast time. They didnt try any of this, they just took it out
Pick Collins man its almost like thats why you kill them hmmm? Its almost like theres not real counter play against the tf2 medics uber charge because its makes them invulnerable and yet its more balanced than this?
@@iam_vannguyen Or just use a flank hero to seek and destroy her before a fight. "I dont wanna play those heroes!" then tough shit, its a game surrounded by the option to change your hero selection to fit different situations. People play like its LoL
no mention of the fact that what actually killed her meta was when her healing got nerfed from 60hp/s to 50hp/s. other than that, the video was a great watch.
@David Horcher and they all act like they can only play mercy and if she is not meta then the game is trash. there are 30 plus characters in the game you can't expect mercy to always be meta.
i miss the instant res, it was fun, and engaging. she feels simply "OK" in her current state, shes balanced, but shes not really as engaging as i think she could. not sure what can be done at this point considering the game is in a really big mess atm-- and there's other things that need to be prioritized, but i wish we could just play old patches of the game to revisit some of our favorite eras in ow.
She’s super balanced, honestly one of the most balanced hero’s in the game but in overwatchs current state where good and bad hero’s are at polar opposites she’s just ok
Juicebox yup and even though she is balanced I’d love to see some changes to her (because changing one hero is a lot easier than all of them) because they basically killed everything fun abt her
xXsknnylgndx x i would too! I wont complain too much about it bc if you think about it, mercy got a lot of quality of life “bugs” that havent been patched bc they improved her quality of play. Super jump being the obvious one, and the extra mobility when using res in valk, which i personally love bc it allows you to get more riskier/safe resses off. Id be happy if they put her hps to 55. Honestly if they buffed her hps just a little bit, i think id be happy with where she is- and maybe changing rez time back to 1.5 or 1.25 sec. would be a lovely minor buff.
Rez has to go before that can happen. It’s the problem. It’s the reason Valk was so broken when she was reworked. The rest of her kit will always have to be underwhelming to balance out the huge potential Rez has. I was originally in the “keep Rez in her kit at all costs” camp but now after around 10 seasons of Mercy being considered a throw pick at high ranks, I just want to be able to play her again without people reporting me for picking her. Everything about her kit excluding her mobility is lack luster. Jack-of-All-Trades heroes don’t work well anymore unless they’re VERY good at everything (like Hanzo). Mercy isn’t min maxed at all. Her kit is entirely middle of the road right now where she doesn’t excel at one thing but is okay at a lot. Being okay doesn’t cut it anymore.
I want them to remove Rez and replace with anything else (maybe a cleanse to remove stuff like hack, anti grenades, Ashe dynamite, widow mine, etc) and bump her healing back up. She doesn’t feel like a main healer anymore but she doesn’t have a defensive ult like an off healer needs so she’s in a weird middle ground where she’s never a good pick.
@@razrv3lc Ana's technically not a defensive ult. Mercy's ult is to tear down shields when initiating a fight and help DPS get a pick or two. Sometimes her ult includes killing a sniper. She's not a bad pick with a team that works together and honestly sometimes you just need a support teammate who will heal while she amplifies using her ult
I really wish that Blizzard didn't decide to just nerf Mercy's kit to oblivion, rather than just focus on the one obvious thing that made her strong: Her rez. It's ironic that the mass-rez was a lot less overpowered than the reworked rez, especially since, as you said, the hide and seek playstyle was a stupid playstyle anyway and tempo rezzing was just... better. I still prefer playing Mercy over other supports but I also feel less overall useful as Mercy, especially considering her nerfs to her hp/s. I think I would have much rather they dropped the rez entirely and gave her something else instead.
Lol maybe if they made mass rez line of sight then tempo rez would have still been a thing and more fun. Even a cast time if it became a problem for mass rez
Mercy is probably the only gaming character in history who has received 13 (?) consecutive nerfs with no compensation nor attempt at balance. Not even Diana from League of Legends or Bayonetta in Smash got such a treatment and left to rot.
Leroy Smith from Tekken 7 had pretty much 70 nerfs around all the updates in the game, and he's still to this day in the Top 10 best characters in the game.
And from that point they made an iconic character into a boring healbot. Mass ress was never a problem to begin with. And it gave her cool and useful ultimate. Where as today your ultimate is to be an flying spectator.
4:19 Mercy was NEVER forced to hide away from fights. One of these horrible missceonceptions of the old Mercy. Bad players did it to get big rezzes, pad their stats or get Play of the Game.. As someone who played mercy for the longest time and climbed a fair amount with her even previous to her "OP"-ness caused by the rework, I never hid... even when my DPS were yelling at me to do so.. it makes me sick to hear that "Hide n Rez" was the only playstyle Mercy players ever used. Also.. it made way for the return of the Dive Meta? I'm not gonna state that it being the "Golden Age" of Overwatch is by far not true for everyone as many people hated the meta, me included, but the Moth Meta was mostly just another itteration of Dive overall.
Honestly. Moth Meta was horrendous. Mercy and Doomfist went through a godawful time because of people too lazy to A) counterpick, B) track heroes and C) follow the BIG ASS YELLOW/BLUE BEAM TO MERCY. I got multiple rez Potgs as massrez Mercy because I was lucky enough not to get caught in a graviton or something, but the enemy was too busy patting themselves on the back to turn 5 feet to to the right and stab me. Literally anyone that had a teamkilling-potential ult could counter her, and hilariously they're ALSO commonly hide-and-ult heroes. McCree went through a rough patch because his best use was to counter Mass Rez with Deadeye, and since Mercy got nerfed, he indirectly did as well. But any intelligent team NEVER blasted all their ults at once like everyone does now, because if there was a good Mercy, she would undo the work you'd done and you'd have to use more ults to keep the advantage. But you didn't have to be a McCree, D.Va, Reaper or Junkrat to keep Mercy in check- all you had to do was kill her FIRST, or tickle her until she ran back to her team and got caught in the ult your team used to take point. I used to be countered during Tempo rezzes a lot (they would kill 2-3 of my team, then when I rezzed, before they could use abilities again, launch an ult and get them and myself), McCree and Junkrat would pop from the shadows on my way back from spawn, and my god. The Roadhogs. The one Hog I remember like it happened last match killed my attacking team in Eichenwalde with ult, then BODYBLOCKED MY FLIGHT PATH TO MY TEAM. I did not survive the 2 seconds I needed to get 100% ult and rez them, and he got a well deserved play. Sorry for the rant, but so, SO many of Overwatch's problems that everyone hated stemmed from the nightmare surrounding Mercy. Because everyone focused on the bad / rare hide and rez Mercies posting to UA-cam, instead of actually listening. I honestly think the game still hasn't recovered, and it's a shame.
was an old mercy main back when i played overwatch a lot, before the valkyrie ult change. annoyed the shit out of me. i remember reviving 3+,4+,or 5+, but i'd never hide, and i'd rarely see other mercies in my games that hid. i stuck around, healed, strengthened, and rezzed when shit got bad. i'd like to say i was good, looking back, but i dont know how much of that is just my brain embellishing via nostalgia lol. dont understand why mercy was nerfed because like 5 toxic salty bois hated her. i think it was one of the reasons i slowly stopped playing. dunno why this vid acts like every second game a mercy was hiding behind a corner so that they could rez their team after a teamkill.
Every game with a dps moria/layback Lucio on speed/ widow Ana /smo rein Brigs, me as a Mercy main suffers, after the Nerf it was hopeless, and with my tryhard DPS, rush'n'die tanks, I often find my self with 5 gold (20kills or so) with my little'ol BB gun, and still losing
@@dpi_samantha She doesn't have to be broken again, she just has to be relevant, and right now she's irrelevant. Now she only appears in quickplay, you will rarely see her in High-Gold/Low-Platinum tier competitive matches and above.
Idk what elo you play in that half the roster plays hide and seek like mercy did with mass res but I suggest you either get a coach or search a game that suits you more LUL
Put launch brig Moira goats against launch moth dive. Brig instakills tracer but gets rezzed. Winston dies but gets rezzed. Lucio or Moira gets picked, and then moth team wins
I think Mercy in her current state is unwinnable. As in, it is impossible to carry as Mercy. Valkyrie means almost nothing for a team fight. Mercy can't do damage simultaneously while healing, which sets her and her team at a massive disadvantage. Her healing output isn't enough to balance it. She is the worst healer pick in almost every scenario, in my opinion.
She’s hands down the worst pick. She’s in a weird limbo between being a main healer and an off healer. She doesn’t have enough healing potential to be a main healer but doesn’t have a defensive ult to be a true off healer. So there’s no situation where she’s worth picking.
i dunno, i enjoyed pro play the most when my hero was picked so often. i find it less fun to watch brig, zen, or ana every match. GOATs completely killed my interest in the pro league when it was dominant, and i haven't watched it since.
Having played off and on since OW released, I’ve always enjoyed playing Mercy. I’ll still always be salty about the first rework though, after that I felt like I was playing a completely different character. And I miss getting POTGs
Mercy is an off healer right now. People only use her to damage boost a carry dps or to resurrrect. Unless she is in valkrie her healing is as bad as Zen's. If you have the aim Ana or Baptiste are way better choices. If you cannot aim you should can choose brig or moira. Mercy is literally useless for healing.
Yet for some reason I'd rather play against any other support than mercy because damage boost dps and rez are some of the most annoying things as a dps player
i agree i dont understand why ppl had such a problem with her being able to heal a lot i mean unlike other healers she cant heal and do damage therefore it makes sense for her to do a lot of healing
@@cerealonmytoast4663 I wouldn't mind her healing being higher but they would have to nerf damage boost I think otherwise pocketing dps would be too OP. Would you say that is a good trade off or would you keep the damage boost high
As a mercy main i can say watching this just made me sad. I used to play overwatch a TON but left a couple months ago because i found that after all the nerfs my favorite support wasnt very viable anymore. I constantly found myself struggling to carry bad teammates no matter how well i was doing and because of this, i eventually dropped from high diamond to low gold, in just a month.
Just realized the irony of the "on fire" bar with the old mass rez. When mercy mass rez she went from 0-100 in the press of a button making he automatically an objective kill but after the rez her potential dropped drastically to where she wasn't really an obj kill anymore :D
I played the original mercy when the game came out. For a whole year, I enjoyed the team Rez ability. The “hide and seek” mercy gameplay was not something I did on purpose, but I felt it was expected by my teammates. Mercy players were pressured to achieve huge rezes. I mean, the game even had rewards for huge rezes, so can we stop solo-blaming mercy players for that gameplay strategy! The current mercy is shit, btw.
One of my fondest memories was waiting for my Genji to die before executing a 5-man rez on point B of Anubis. Team came back with a fury and wiped up the match easily after that. In retrospect, it was unfair as hell. But watching these old clips - holy shit, was rez really that fast? Oh my god, yeah, that needed a nerf.
This is just another example of Blizzard destroying a character completely. By all means do away with multi-instant rez. But to kill her ability to Rez all together, to nerf her over all healing, to make her basically pointless to have on your team when 95% of support players now only play Moria....this was the dumbest thing Blizzard has done. They have killed off Mercy. They left Reaper's anti G.O.A.T.S. buffs even after 2-2-2. Now days if you have someone picking Mercy and not Moira. You team bitches about there not being enough healing. The whole idea of Mercy is to keep you team alive and Resurrect fallen team members. Not to only deal 50 healing per second and have a Resurrect only available every 30 seconds. Even when you die as Mercy your Res stays on cooldown. Blizzard listens to too many people complaining about not being able to counter Mercy. There are tons of ways to counter her. Launch Mercy...yes she was bad. No one is denying that. But when she used her Ult and it put her Rez from 30 to 10. That is why she has an Ult. What good is her Ult now? 10 more healing per second...wow. All she is able to do now is keep DPS alive. She doesn't heal barely at all when you play as a tank. When the only two Supports capable of cranking out enough heals to keep a tank alive are Ana, Moria, and Baptise. There is a problem. Ana is mainly only useable past Plat and mid Diamond. Hell not even then. You need to be in Masters for you team to know how to play with a Ana. Moria and Baptise are well, more broken than the original Mercy rework. Moria is basically a DPS from plat and below. Baptise, somewhere around Diamond is when you start seeing intelligent players use his kit properly. Now all Mercy is used for is climbing out of gold into plat, and I'd argue that Moria should be used more. Blizzard has killed there best characters. All to appease these pro player's. To stop them from bitching all the time because, team fights take too long to win. That is the whole point of a support, to crank out healing to keep your team alive or give them offensive or defensive support to allow then to stay alive. There are way too many DPS players. Who do not know a damn thing about what their priorities in the games are. And what's worse is, most DPS players won't pick the exact counters for the enemy teams heals and support. So they go on the forums and bitch. Until they get there way, which in term screws over us Tank mains. I was forced into playing Wrecking Ball for seasons 18 and 19. Why? Because of the lack of healing I wouldnt get as a Rein and Orisa main. There is a problem with you game. When as a Tank main you are forced to pick these more self sustainable Tanks to counter the lack of healing. There is an issue. Please someone tell me what is the point of Mercy's Ult now? Unlimited Ammo? 60 heal per second? Being able to fly, not only fly but, fly slower. She isn't a throw pick but when Zen and Mercy and Brig are now the bottom of the Support barrel. Something isn't right.
@Teo Mussalo lmao ok dps player. but you can’t deny that mercy was nerfed way too hard and is actual garbage these days. her only purpose is to damage boost and resurrect. god forbid you try to keep anyone alive with your 0.008 hps. and you can forget all about keeping tanks alive when you can’t even neutralize the damage from winston’s tickle gun with your healing. mercy has absolutely nothing good going for her, no need to add salt to the wound.
I wish they just tweaked the mas res like add a cast time on it and maybe ult charge reduction instead a whole rework but then all the incels would still be mad bc they wasted all their ults and she punished them for it
As a mercy player myself, id rather have a boring mercy than a broken one. The 60 hps felt too easy. They shd prolly get rid of rez tho. (Maybe for smth weaker on a shorter CD)
"Mercy rewards high game sense now, and she now keep anyone she prioritizes alive" Fam, I _quit_ playing Mercy because those exact things AREN'T TRUE after her rework and ensuing nerf marathon. She can't do _squat_ to keep a teammate alive anymore, and rez has been turned into a clunky, anticlimactic self-stun. Bring back mass rez, then rework it so it feels fair to play against. I miss tempo rezzing.
Yes you miss tempo rezzing because you lack skill. You miss the reward and feeling of accomplishment you instantly got, the low risk high reward situation. Google Instant Gratification, it is like a drug and when mercy's rezz became less brain-dead you couldn't have that drug as easy as before anymore. And you want easy gameplay because you have no drive to *earn* the reward. That's what you just screamed out
I was honestly okay with the rework at first. I still missed her Mass-rez, but I was still having fun using her new ult. It was the nerfs afterwards (except maybe the first one) that I felt were unnecessary.
Till this day I always find that moment funny 1:16 chad roadhog sacrificed himself for the sake of denying a team rez and i can already hear them both fall to their demise 🤣
Honestly, I had so much fun during Mercy meta. Never took the game seriously, so it felt like an endless deathmatch where I just get to fly and rez everyone. It was broken as hell, but it was a time I actually had fun playing the game.
Mercy isn’t a good solo target heal she does 50hps and an ana can do 175 hp in a second then pump a crap ton more healing and Moria can just out heal everything
Nightlymold 498 yeah, but ana has no monility and she has to aim at the target. It is not a fair comparison between ana and mercy. I do think that moira does too much heals and ana a bit too though
@@percy9073 sure you don't have to aim,but she doesn't have burst healing like nade or healing orb. her utility is rez and damage boost because her healing is basically useless. She's underwhelming in most situations. like yes, high skill high reward but mercy has little to no impact unlike very other support. her beam is what she does. If only half of what her beam can do is actually useful, something needs to change.
On Patch 1.16b I touched Top100 Mercys Worldwide, she was really fun to play and the heal was great. When the 5 man rez was a thing I was one of those Mercys that considered a 2man rez already worth, and I've never wait for everyone to Die, I Just had nice possitioning so I tried to not get on gravs, or flaked, now Just waiting for OW2.
I loved Mercy's Mass Rez ultimate. The devs said that; it was designed to keep the momentum of a team fight going, another attempt to turn the tides. I had an idea to make Mass Rez tide-turning but not OP. It's a copy of a hero from another game; Faramis. Faramis' ultimate creates a big circle that resurrects his teammates if they die within it while it was active. It lasts for 10 seconds. Pros: - Teammates will keep reviving as long as they die within the circle. No matter how many times they die. Cons: - Revived teammates will only stay alive for 10 seconds after their resurrection. So, the goal of the resurrected allies is to protect the ones still living to keep the push going or finish off all the opponents. If all of the teammates have been revived, then they all will eventually be sent back to the spawn room. A counter to the ult is Roadhog's; he can knock all the opponents out of their Rez circle to prevent them from getting revived. This idea should keep the devs' intention of Mass Rez while not completely negating the efforts of the team fight.
One of my best friends quit Overwatch because of the Mercy changes. They are not good at shooters, and found the hide and seek playstyle to be very noob friendly for them. Now I don't play Overwatch anymore either, partly because none of my friends are into the game anymore either. If I was in charge of game balance I would've taken Mercy's original ult and expairimented with making it bring heroes back with 25% of their max health rather than 100%. This preserves the hide and seek playstyle without making her a must pick.
5:10 what does he mean it doesn’t reset her guardian angel? It doesn’t have to bc by the time u have finished Rez it’s back up already so no. It doesn’t affect her survivability at all
Yeah the nerfs worked in terms of tuning down her effectiveness, but to this day because of the rework Mercy is still stuck in a spot where she's no longer engaging to play, fun to play as or fun to play against. She is essentially a healbot whose only utility is to rez the first teammate who gets picked so that it doesn't snowball into the loss of a teamfight. To top it all off she's stuck with a "jack of all trades, master of none" ultimate that is boring to use, feels unimpactful, and is outclassed by every other support ult. Wanna outheal high DPS? Transcendence. Wanna block burst damage? Sound Barrier (or Immortality Field). Wanna heal and deal damage at the same time? Coalescence (or Amplification Matrix). Wanna turn your team into 6 armored tanks? Rally. Wanna save an ally from death and help enable them to frag? Nano Boost. Valkyrie? No. Never Valkyrie. Your real ult neuters your movement so snipers can easily dome you, only works in a 5 meter radius, and can be interrupted by any boop or CC (Hammond roll, Brig whip or bash, McCree flashbang, Winston primal, Lucio boop, D.Va boop, Pharah boop, Roadhog hook, Mei freeze, Orisa halt, Junkrat mine, Rein charge/shatter, Ana sleep dart, Sombra hack), but at least it's on a 30 second cooldown! ...oh, it's on a 30 second cooldown. So every time it gets interrupted, your value gets cut in half, and then you're stuck hoping that your average healing output is enough to keep your team afloat while you wait half a minute for that mini ult to come off cooldown. Rez also feels as bad for the enemy team as it does for the Mercy trying to pull it off. When the enemy team has a Mercy and you can't interrupt her rez, Mercy getting to undo a skilled pick is almost as frustrating as her getting to undo a multikill from a DPS ult. But instead of reversing the momentum of a teamfight like mass rez would, single tempo rez just shows teamfight momentum (and general gameplay) to a crawl. The value of rez still means that if one team has a good Mercy, the other team is at an inherent disadvantage for not having one. The only person rez feels good for is the person getting rezzed, and possibly the Mercy once the 3-second cast time is *finally* over.
this. I have 300 hours on mercy and I cannot find any time to have an impactful Valk. everytime I Valk, it's so underwhelming, good valk or not. Sometimes I just won't Valk because the beam breakage is fatal, and if I Valk and my beam breaks there's not enough people close enough together to get value, and it's horrible. everytime a rez is interuppted by some bs despite it being perfectly safe, like a sombra coming out of nowhere and making me fucking helpless bc who knows what a peel is. Rez doesn't feel good at all. Playing mercy is fun but not as fun as it once was.
honestly i think mercy has gotten the biggest nerf hammer in overwatch I sadly was not here for the 6 man rez but I still like to play her I got to play overwatch when it was 2019 :-: *(I cry)* but I have a nice 84% win rate for her on ps4 so im making it
Mercy on ps4 is easier to climb and have a good winrate, but on pc you'll get flamed if you pick mercy because her healing is trash and you're taking the spot of either a main healer or strong defensive ult. Way better to choose Moira over Mercy cause she does more healing, better survivability, and a better ult while you can damage. Also, way difficult to climb on her. I played Ana to climb but I love mercy's mobility ;-;
This randomly came across my recomended and I have to say I can't believe you left out the absolute best part of the Moth Meta. That time where Mercy became the best DPS in the game, and Nano Moth reined as the best option for her. You heard me right, There was a time shortly after Mercy's reworked reworked rez was nerfed to only be 1 use with a charge time that the most common stratagy was to nanoboost a valking mercy and have her go erase the entire enemy team with her infinate gun ammo. The thing that baffled most players is that Blizzard's solution to nerf it was to make mercy's healing worse, but give her stronger healing while in Valk, to encourage players to stick to their team while ulting. This did in fact work, however they never directly nerfed nano valk, meaning it is entirely possible to still do it, so long as you can find an Anna willing to nanoboost her fellow support.
As a 250+ hour Mercy Main, I can say that while for the most part I support the balance changes that have been made to her, I would like to see her healing increased. She has the lowest HPS of the main supports, and while I understand she doesn’t have to rely on resources or aim to heal, I still think it’s too low. She doesn’t have the ability to burst heal or heal multiple targets(outside of her ultimate), so I think her primary hps needs to be higher, or she needs a burst heal ability. Honestly I wouldn’t mind if they scrapped Rez in favor of giving her an ability that acts as a burst heal with some kind of additional buff such as the ability to cleanse allies of status effects such as burn, anti, or sleep. Or even something that prevents incoming status effects and damage.
Love how the whole problem stemmed from OW's SR system being performance based, so that getting those huge rezes would benefit the Mercy doing them. If they just went fixed up and down values, this whole thing could have been avoided lol
In the support community yeah, everywhere else it was because she literally had no counter play because lshift turned her into an SR-71 blackbird and Q turned her into a Saturn V, Not to mention her literally unbeatable E and ridiculous hps, and that her ult made her into a better orisa bongo, and that she has a passive self heal, and that she has a tiny hotbox and that support mains complained when she couldn't have a 100% winrate anymore
From having the game-changing ultimate like everyone else to becoming just a heal bot. When a counter to her was legit, just focus and kill her. Heck with soo many 1 shot ko's in the game and crowd control it's a surprise you'd get those rez. Remember she can't dodge while flying to someone. Now her Valkyrie just makes her a bigger target as no tank part of Zarya can protect you while you're mid-air. Have fun being 1 shotted by hit scan or flying genjis or doom fist, or Sombra, or any char with a decent aim. All while your all healing being negated by 1 well-thrown granade, which is not a rare occurrence when your team groups to get those heals. You can use dmg buff, but if your team can't aim to kill them without it, what makes you think they could with a damage buff? It doesn't grant auto-aim. Many of you'll say that I only liked her because she was low skill high reward. There might be some truth to that, but if your class is not considered dps, then it won't take much skill to play in the first place. Mei can spray and pray, torb has auto-aim turret, so does sym, junkrat deals in aoe dmg, so just shoot vaguely in their direction, Hanzo used to have scatter arrow. Heck, even mcree players have over-reliance on his flashbang, which is an AOE stun that gives him a free kill if it lands, at least you can try and counter reaper and he has to be in your face to 1 shot you. Original mercy ult made you feel powerful and there were actual POTG you could do, now all you do is heal, heck even Medic from TF2 is a more active healer them Mercy now, just RB1 and sometimes shift, got ult? pop it and RB1 and sometimes shift. Immeadetly changed to Moira after they took all fun from mercy, sure her numbers are fine, but it's a game, not a year's earning draft.
I miss old mercy tbh, it hink that they should either give her like 2 rez charges but on a 45-60sec cd, or maybe even 3 chargers on a 60-90sec cd. I think they should keep the delay and the ult as they are, so that she isnt op af
I like how Mercy is today, but I think there were better ways to change it, like, she could continue with the original ult, but when the player presses the button, Mercy is an animation that allows the enemy team try counter, not instantaneously as I was, as the Sombra's ult for example, when she's ult there is a small moment of vulnerability in which the ult can be canceled. Or maybe the animation could increase the duration depending on how many allies were there, which would discourage Mercy from waiting for the entire team to die, as it would be more risky. I don't know, but there were other solutions.
Shouldve just left her alone and made Rez extremely hard to charge imo. Make it almost impossible to Rez more than ~2-3x per match and leave the healing alone. Shes just not that fun anymore they went wayyy too extreme on an easily solved issue
I very distinctly remember a game where my team lost the fight, I got a 5 man rez, then they lost again. It was the most frustrating game I've ever had because OMG JUST DO SOMETHING.
Hey guys, just to clear up some confusion about our statement at the end, what we were referring to was the period in OWL where because of the delayed patches for the pros in Season 1, Stage 2 and Stage 3 following Mercy's nerfs were Brigitte free up until Stage 4 and saw a bit more double sniper and the dominance of dive/counter-dive with Winston/DVa/Lucio/Zen at the peak of the metagame. While Mercy was still played afterward it wasn't at the pick rates as it previously was which is something that we should have noted.
GOATS which we've covered in another video came into full swing during the summer of 2018: ua-cam.com/video/b_qWFax0JKg/v-deo.html
Thanks for taking the time to read the comments and talk about things that were confusing. Other OW UA-camrs would just call these people "haters" and move on to make another 10 min rambling video.
Akshon Esports it’s arguable that dive was still played during moth meta. It wasn’t TRUE dive, with the two original dive supports, but mercy dive was definitely a thing
Yeah stage 2-3 of season one were definitely Mercy stages guys, there was some Lucio in stage 2 but Mercy was still super strong then
Yes of course! It wasn't as if she dropped off super hard out of relevancy. She was still played a fair amount, but what we saw was more breathing room opening up for other Support heroes which is a good point to bring up.
@@Akshonesports kapp
"Once high SR players and pros caught on..." still showing Muselk clip lol
Timestamp?
I mean technically he was a pro cause of World Cup, he was just shit
@@jinkwon8410 3:46
he is in masters so it is quite high SR
@Theodore Keller compare to me
Forgot to mention her last nerf : bringing healing beam from 60 hp/s down to 50 hp/s. To me this was just unnecessary
Hey! Thanks for bringing this point up. We wanted to keep this video to the period of Oct 2017 - Feb 2018 as that was when "moth meta" was at its prime. The change you mentioned (which is quite the nerf) was pushed to the PTR in July of 2018.
I mean with this nerf she went from dominant main support to sharing time with Lucio in early GOATS while she was played in sniper metas. I think this nerf was necessary, it was the last change to do to balance it well. After GOATS became dominant, Mercy still saw playtime (although it was during stage 3, at the end of the meta) in DPS heavy comps.
@@RLutin I think it was necessary for player perspective, but now that player perspective sees her heals as dogshit and the other supports as good, I dont see why she shouldn't get 60hps again. It was just her heal nerf that made the other supports better though, it was the other supports also getting buffs.
Aside from the fact that Mercy has been played and performing fine since July 2018 (with heals being 50 hps) you’re really not taking into account the value she gets with 60 hps for how little the effort.
What I don’t understand is why her healing beam can’t be 55 hp/s just to see how that’d do. Like why does it always have to be divisible by 10?
Is it just me or it surprising to know the Mercy Rework was in 2017? Can’t believe it’s been so long , definitely doesn’t feel like it
What’s surprising is the within a few years the devs managed to kill this game, instead of reworking heroes completely they could’ve just introduced hard counters to the game, not destroy the overwatch that got everyone to play in the first place.
@@Twizzzums Hard counters are what hurt the game, not reworks.
@@MagicalVaati you’re telling me instead of just introducing an anti Brigitte counter it was better to rework nearly every hero around her (like they did) and force a 2-2-2 comp? If it was good that way why did the game die?
@@Twizzzums Brigitte herself was a hard counter answer to Dive. She was designed specifically to do what you’re saying and she ended up being the worst thing that ever happened to the game.
Essentially, you’re saying they should’ve tried to cure a plague with another plague, which might’ve fixed the Brigitte problem, but created a hundred more problems in the process. The game’s balance is a lot more delicate than people like to pretend. Metas come and go; heroes shouldn’t be designed with the intention of hard countering them.
@@MagicalVaati They ended doing exactly what you’re complaining about wdym my guy 😂 Dive turned into GOATS because of Brigitte when all they had to do was force a DPS to hard counter briggitte which would’ve destroyed GOATS considering she was the essential part of that meta. Forcing at least one DPS character to be played.
Mass Ress will forever be in my heart.
Mass ress POTG moments
@@Akshonesports mass Rez could have been balanced much easier than valkyrie, but flying sure is fun ngl tho XD
Watchpoint 2nd point rez lol
@@tsvh383 ahahahaha XD
@@moth5414 Honestly just adding the cast time to her old ult would have balanced it since the main problem was her being able to instantly cast it in the middle of the enemy team. It was a low risk, high reward ability. But I wouldn't trade new Mercy for the world. Her old movement was extremely sluggish compared to how it is now and she was far more dependent on teammates. She essentially just feels more fluid now
Oh hey that's my clip at 7:20 - also what a complete garbage play, why did I try to rez that lol
Oh its you hello
ua-cam.com/video/huzZN9k64XE/v-deo.html 2:37
You have good guide videos! im still a gold mercy tho :(
omg I love your plays
@@是老鼠-j5l did you really just link her own video?
"She allows you to keep almost any ally you prioritize alive" - I don't know about that. with 50hp/s you can equalize winston's tickle gun i guess
Nope, Winston does 60dps sorry
Like, honestly. I'd love to see him try to keep a Reinhardt alive while fighting a Reaper. And then get yelled at for not helping.
She's trash now
Her heals are dog crap now
@@devotion__x1206 yep. She isn't a main support anymore
She designt have an defensive ult, she neither has an offensive ult, her rez is basically dying and her healing isnt good
"she allows you to keep almost any ally you prioritize, alive." onononono not with her 2 healing per second onoooooooooo
Yeah I heard that shit and laughed my ass off.
Yeah at least in Masters, I get screamed at if I pick her nowadays. She’s really only good during poke phase nowadays when no one is taking focused Fire.
that was the only thing i just couldnt agree with xD U can put ur beam on someone as much as u want they still poof quite easily with focused fire xDD
but at least winstin can now deal damage to a target being healed by her instead of just neutralizing her heals
obviously because she got nerfed
You guys have the best topics to cover, god damn
Cause I gave it 😃
"She wasn't OP because she was strong, she was OP because she made everyone else stronger"
I always love how akshon gets strait to the point unlike your overwatch who takes 10 minutes talking aboht an ability
Glad i stopped watching them long ago
Freedo has an incredible talent for not saying anything at all whilst talking for 20 minutes
I love freedo but good god is this accurate or hell do the opposite by putting something in the title or something and just glossing it over at some point during a 15 minute rant about some side topic
as much as i like watching their news roundup, i just dont like freedo. he sounds very entitled for someone whos been on grandmaster for too long to call himself a pro player.
also, he called sombra a support at one point
@@diego1marcus918 Because sombra was a support with the hacking mega dive style to charge emp in seconds
It’s funny how in their efforts to kill mercy, they made Lucio a must-pick for years
@@yule304 Mercy is much more about positioning and decision making than just pressing shift and holding right click. I pretty much get yelled at by my teammates immediately anytime I pick mercy so I just play Ana now.
Sabrina Jackson it does not take any more skill. You literally speed boost at the choke and push your tanks in. That’s all it takes to play Lucio. He’s just as brain dead as Mercy. He wouldn’t do well in low ranks if he wasn’t easy. Overall he has a six times higher pickrate and a 2% higher winrate when all ranks are taken into account. So he gets used WAY more and still wins more than she does.
Even in fucking Bronze he has an ELEVEN percent higher pickrate than Mercy and a 3% higher winrate. So he’s getting picked WAY more often than her and STILL winning way more often. He’s stupid easy to win with. I’m so sick of people pretending he’s actually difficult. When Bronze players are better with him than Mercy, that’s pretty telling. Maybe you’re getting Lucio confused with Zenyatta, the actually difficult off healer?
If you want to check anything I wrote, just go to Overbuff and look through the heroes page. Mercy isn’t particularly good anywhere and has negative winrates until Diamond. Funnily enough, that’s usually how the more difficult to play heroes like Ashe’s winrates behave. The only difference is that Mercy’s winrates never really jump dramatically like theirs do once they get higher up.
I mean they buffed Lucio so wallride lasts forever, beat drop gives 750 health up from 500, and boop doesn’t take ammo/sends people further.
I’m not saying he’s braindead, but he became substantially easier to play after that.
@@yule304 Stop pretending Lucio is actually difficult
@@xjustaprofile hes easy in lower sr, but once u get to higher sr, you have to be much more positionally skilled, and use your aura swap more intelligently. Wall riding isn't just for getting to ur team faster, it helps u stay alive if you are very skilled at it. So yes, he's FAR more skilled than mercy.
While I think she was OP asf and needed changes/nerfs after her rework they completely gutted the hero. The dev's wanted her to be more fun and engaging but then deleted everything fun and engaging about her kit. Her healing is too low, her rez is too clunky, her ult is mediocre, her dps was nerfed, her speed was nerfed, and all of her direct impact was just put in the garbage. Like again, she needed nerds but it was just too much. She's not even a hero anymore, she's just a side kick. I'm lucky if my team mates even notices I'm healing them. Like some on dude, I wanna play Mercy/Zen again.
And here's the punch line: Even if i outheal ana/bap, team blame me(as mercy) for their shit
but she have Super-Jump
which is a bug but
window hook bungee is also bug.
@@addmen96 Ive had my fair share of games like this !
I think whats worse is that they took so long to address what went wrong with her rework that made her OP. Sure, she was too fast, and her pistol did too much, but at the end of the day, it was rez that was the problematic piece. Which was made worse since in order to balance it as a cd ability, they have to make it clunkier.
I think shes meh, but she could use a mini-rework to make rez less clunkier as a cd and make Valk more impactful.
@@crestren5996 yaa I think shes meh as well. What I would do is make her E into a single target CC immunity for x amount of time. It would need to be put on someone before they get CCed. I think it would help her mid fight potential, raise her skill ceiling, and give her a little bit of carry potential. Like your Rein Shatter, you toss your E on him, mean enemy Ana throws her sleep dart but it doesn't go off because you kept your Rein protected. It would be good for Genji blade as well and might help his viability. We dont really have CC immunity things so I think it would be a cool ability for mercy. I also think rez should just be tied to her ult in some form .
The community: Thank god the devs nerfed that lower skill ceiling support, I hope a lower skill support never dictates the meta again.
Brigitte: PepeLaugh Oh no no no
LMAO
LULW TRUE
Twitch emotes outside of twitch WeirdChamp haHAA
But actually Brig is on the same situation as Mercy in my opinion. A balanced hero that reward game sense and is still accessible and fun for every player.
Hlodowig Contencin she’s not balanced tho LMAO
4:49 oh that guardian angel patch reminds me the times when mercy in her early stages of 2.0 could fly so far at insane speeds with guardian angel. That was ridiculously fun with a pharah and was the early stages of her being able to jump during her guardian angel.
Recently everyone keeps saying superjump is broken lol- imagine still complaining about Mercy in 2020
"BuT yOU cAn lAuncH yoUrselF inTo the AIR!!!"
Yeah and get taken out by sniper. And yes, that's what someone had actually said to me in comp when he saw me performing superjump - Sumperjump is broken and makes her incredibly overpower because she can go vertically on her own... Dude didn't think about skilled snipers taking you out easily and even getting down the trick, smh
@@phloxy_fox96528 I can't even perform superjump bruh. That makes me one of the worst Mercy players out there when someone takes my main (Moira). I try to compensate by constantly having my ult doesn't really work out when I'm still trying to get it and a Reaper's on me.
“SuPeR jUmP iS bRoKeN!” Yet I still see you playing Mei-
@@esmeraldazamarripa8214 you should look up a guide and set aside some time to practice in the practice range, and if you learn it, I recommend using it as positioning to the high ground if needed.
Super jump is broken if it's done correctly, like pretty much everything else in this game. There's literally no reason to complain about it, or at least complain about actually broken heroes like Moira or Orisa before you complain about a single movement bug on an off meta hero
The hypocrisy of a dps like Reaper leaving the team fight to go hide and ult, or McCree, or Soldier, or Pharah, and others, but when a support tries do it. Heavens forbid.
You can kill or silence reaper mid ult. You can kill McCree mid ult. You can kill soldier mid ult. you can kill or silence Pharah mid ult.
You couldn't do any of that with old Mercy. Her ult had no counterplay.
@@pickcollins9910 Hook the Mercy. Flashbang the Mercy. Sleep the Mercy. Harass the Mercy so she runs out to her team for protection. Follow the bright yellow/blue beam. These are for Mercies approaching for mass rez. It was very, very hard, but you could stop mass rez and cause her to lose ult with stuns.
If she rezzed everyone, you did another ult. McCree, Reaper, D.Va, Zarya+other, Rein+other, well-placed Pharah, Genji or Genji+Ana.
Mercy punished you for ult spam. It's not Mercy's fault you never learned not to hit Q the second the icon lit up.
@@Lollygyrrl that is honestly a really good pov. I never thought abt how mass rez punished ult spam
Just a little nitpick, but the addition of cast time on Rez was not what cemented her fall off the meta, it was actually the support patch afterwards what truly did her for good. Her healing went from 60hps to 50hps on her primary fire and her Valkyrie heals too. Alongside every other healer but brig was buffed, so Mercy's pick rate and win rate took a dive. Blizzard later reverted her healing nerf on Valkyrie as she went from balanced to underpowered after that patch.
I wouldn't say she's "fine" at the moment, thanks to power creep on dps almost any dps can outdamage her healing, and she is currently picked as a flex/hybrid healer without the benefits of having an actual off healer such as having a strong defensive Ult or the benefit of having another main healer such as Ana, Bap or Moira since her healing is not only single target but low too.
"DPS power creep" you seem to be completely uninformed about how a game functions as an FPS. Damage is supposed to always be higher than healing, not the other way around and some of the best DPS in the game currently (Hanzo) are only equalling dmg per 10 min, to both Orisa and Sigma.
The power creep has always been on the supports and tanks, which is why akshon accurately keeps making these videos on healers, tanks and healer/tank focused metas. DPS have never and still isn´t the problem with balance in the game.
@@bailly1998 Yo do know that dps power creep is on all classes, right? Or do you think only the damage category can shoot? Damage and Tank dps buffs that increase their "dps" are part of the dps power creep. Dps as in "damage per second" not the Damage Category. Seems like the one needing information is you, pal.
@@koto2211 Funny you call it DPS power creep, when that is only one role that has that name funnily enough.
The damage creep of all classes is true, but still the numbers speak for themselves, seldom have we seen (OP DPS, as people wrongfully call Hanzo), yet still easily matched by two barrier tanks.
The classic trio is Tank/Healer/DPS, and you quite easily said this with "all most any DPS, can out damage her". So no reason to play smart and back peddle now, you are wrong move on sweetheart. If you are still mad, go look at the wayback machine and the current stats.
@@bailly1998 You know darling, maybe you should try "acting smart" and go back to my original comment because last time I checked, I said "almost any dps can outdamage her healing" as in, "almost any damage per second can outheal her healing (per second)" not "only heroes in the damage category can outdamage her" because tanks and supports have received dps buffs. DPS was an already existing term in videogame before overwatch, and it always meant Damage Per Second, I'm surprised a connoisseur of "FPS games" don't know dps means something else besides "a hero in the damage category on overwatch"
Lastly you say I'm wrong and backpedalling yet you first state that the power creep existed on tanks and supports, yet on your second comment you admit all classes have been power crept. So like, how am I wrong if you said the exact same thing I did? (that there has been a damage power creep in the game) are we both wrong then? The only thing you have said differently is insinuating that it's okay for damage heroes to be power crept but not tanks and supports because it's an FPS game. Which is cool but this also a MOBA hybrid, and mechanics like Rez, Immortality and barriers fit the MOBA aspect of the game better than the FPS aspect of it. The game currently has an issue where there is too much damage being dealt that it needs crazy amounts of healing to sustain it, you can't nerf one and leave the other alone, even if damage heroes should deal more damage than healers can heal because "it's a FPS game".
@@koto2211 1. Power creep on all roles is not a creep it is a progression. A slow and gradual one as more heroes come out and the game is updated and fine tuned. That is always gonna happen, a creep is a substantial difference between old and new, where no new heroes in the DPS category has ever actually showcased this even Hanzo is far behind any of the tanks or healers that has been introduced, let alone reworked.
2. The creep is mainly on the healers and tanks look at the stats, that clearly show it
3. Your original comment is still clearly talking about DPS, not damage in general.
4. It isn´t a moba hybrid never has been, it was launched as an FPS and now is a hero shooter, blizzard has never stated to have any connection to a MOBA, so stop making more assumptions.
5. You keep back peddling and is just factually wrong, you can even look it up to see, just go and see top damage of tanks now vs back then.
6. No MOBA in the world do you even "Heal" and out sustain damage to begin with, so what is the issue in targets living longer ? They are pushing out 3-2-1 and bans just to reduce the insane amount of time targets are living, GOATS, Double shield and the rest of comps are all showcasings of powercreept, healing/CC/Utility and defense not damage.
if you need more help understanding this, dont add me, use a dictionary.
TBH I still think Mass Res wasn't an issue. The hide and seek thing was a nonissue, and even if was, they could have just put LoS on her ult like Lucio and Zen have. Then you couldn't just stand behind walls, and if you wanted to res people on high ground, you'd have to make clever use of your GA and aerial mobility to bring them back with others. Idk why they never tried that before removing it completely.
Bc old Mass Rez had absolutely zero counterplay. There was nothing you could do to stop her from Rezzing or rendering it useless
@@pickcollins9910 Again, having LoS on it would help with that, and they maybe could even give it a cast time. They didnt try any of this, they just took it out
Pick Collins man its almost like thats why you kill them hmmm? Its almost like theres not real counter play against the tf2 medics uber charge because its makes them invulnerable and yet its more balanced than this?
Pick Collins
1. Saving an ult for mercy Rez (Genii ult, grav etc)
2. If you wipe a team u would expect her to come
3. Sombra emp
@@iam_vannguyen Or just use a flank hero to seek and destroy her before a fight. "I dont wanna play those heroes!" then tough shit, its a game surrounded by the option to change your hero selection to fit different situations. People play like its LoL
no mention of the fact that what actually killed her meta was when her healing got nerfed from 60hp/s to 50hp/s. other than that, the video was a great watch.
That was after moth meta was a thing, and some what close to goats meta
The Unknown well i meant killed her pick rate after the meta was over
Im still sad they changed mercy ult, one of the main reasons I left overwatch :(
@David Horcher and they all act like they can only play mercy and if she is not meta then the game is trash. there are 30 plus characters in the game you can't expect mercy to always be meta.
The feeling of playing Mercy became greater when you knew how annoying it was to have to kill three of the enemies twice.
i miss the instant res, it was fun, and engaging. she feels simply "OK" in her current state, shes balanced, but shes not really as engaging as i think she could. not sure what can be done at this point considering the game is in a really big mess atm-- and there's other things that need to be prioritized, but i wish we could just play old patches of the game to revisit some of our favorite eras in ow.
She’s super balanced, honestly one of the most balanced hero’s in the game but in overwatchs current state where good and bad hero’s are at polar opposites she’s just ok
xXsknnylgndx x i definitely agree..
Juicebox yup and even though she is balanced I’d love to see some changes to her (because changing one hero is a lot easier than all of them) because they basically killed everything fun abt her
xXsknnylgndx x i would too! I wont complain too much about it bc if you think about it, mercy got a lot of quality of life “bugs” that havent been patched bc they improved her quality of play. Super jump being the obvious one, and the extra mobility when using res in valk, which i personally love bc it allows you to get more riskier/safe resses off. Id be happy if they put her hps to 55. Honestly if they buffed her hps just a little bit, i think id be happy with where she is- and maybe changing rez time back to 1.5 or 1.25 sec. would be a lovely minor buff.
Rez has to go before that can happen. It’s the problem. It’s the reason Valk was so broken when she was reworked. The rest of her kit will always have to be underwhelming to balance out the huge potential Rez has. I was originally in the “keep Rez in her kit at all costs” camp but now after around 10 seasons of Mercy being considered a throw pick at high ranks, I just want to be able to play her again without people reporting me for picking her. Everything about her kit excluding her mobility is lack luster. Jack-of-All-Trades heroes don’t work well anymore unless they’re VERY good at everything (like Hanzo). Mercy isn’t min maxed at all. Her kit is entirely middle of the road right now where she doesn’t excel at one thing but is okay at a lot. Being okay doesn’t cut it anymore.
you forgot about when they straight up reduced her healing and killed her :)
I want them to buff mercy so bad I love playing her :(
I want them to remove Rez and replace with anything else (maybe a cleanse to remove stuff like hack, anti grenades, Ashe dynamite, widow mine, etc) and bump her healing back up. She doesn’t feel like a main healer anymore but she doesn’t have a defensive ult like an off healer needs so she’s in a weird middle ground where she’s never a good pick.
razrv3lc I agree or maybe add another ability besides Rez like that and nerf Rez but it’s hard she just needs a rework
Some of y'all really wanna nerf mercy into the fucking ground smh
i think she's in a pretty good place right now. Don't let the devs tinker on your hero. They'll just mess up
@@razrv3lc Ana's technically not a defensive ult. Mercy's ult is to tear down shields when initiating a fight and help DPS get a pick or two. Sometimes her ult includes killing a sniper. She's not a bad pick with a team that works together and honestly sometimes you just need a support teammate who will heal while she amplifies using her ult
Forgot to mention that when she got her new ult dps mercy and Nano mercy became meta until they nerfed her gun.
@@polar6066 They did nerf the gun, it actually was too op in her ult at first
@@polar6066 She had unlimited clip in her ult
@@ZNemerald she still does
Pikachu with dem shades She had a faster firing rate if I remember correctly
I really wish that Blizzard didn't decide to just nerf Mercy's kit to oblivion, rather than just focus on the one obvious thing that made her strong: Her rez. It's ironic that the mass-rez was a lot less overpowered than the reworked rez, especially since, as you said, the hide and seek playstyle was a stupid playstyle anyway and tempo rezzing was just... better.
I still prefer playing Mercy over other supports but I also feel less overall useful as Mercy, especially considering her nerfs to her hp/s. I think I would have much rather they dropped the rez entirely and gave her something else instead.
Lol maybe if they made mass rez line of sight then tempo rez would have still been a thing and more fun. Even a cast time if it became a problem for mass rez
I feel useless in most matches because sometimes she's not impactful but I hate playing every other support. there's just no one like her.
Love how this game kill itself for no reason
yes, no reason
Oh my god is that gravity rush 2 in the background. Can’t even concentrate on the analysis because my heart is aching so greatly to be Kat again
Mercy is probably the only gaming character in history who has received 13 (?) consecutive nerfs with no compensation nor attempt at balance. Not even Diana from League of Legends or Bayonetta in Smash got such a treatment and left to rot.
Leroy Smith from Tekken 7 had pretty much 70 nerfs around all the updates in the game, and he's still to this day in the Top 10 best characters in the game.
And from that point they made an iconic character into a boring healbot. Mass ress was never a problem to begin with. And it gave her cool and useful ultimate. Where as today your ultimate is to be an flying spectator.
4:19 Mercy was NEVER forced to hide away from fights. One of these horrible missceonceptions of the old Mercy. Bad players did it to get big rezzes, pad their stats or get Play of the Game.. As someone who played mercy for the longest time and climbed a fair amount with her even previous to her "OP"-ness caused by the rework, I never hid... even when my DPS were yelling at me to do so.. it makes me sick to hear that "Hide n Rez" was the only playstyle Mercy players ever used.
Also.. it made way for the return of the Dive Meta? I'm not gonna state that it being the "Golden Age" of Overwatch is by far not true for everyone as many people hated the meta, me included, but the Moth Meta was mostly just another itteration of Dive overall.
Yea those dps players who demanded mercy players to hide STILL blamed us when for being boosted and wished us to drop from our rank we gained
Wrong
Even if you didn’t do it, everyone else did. And it was stupid since it was instant and had basically no counterplay.
Honestly. Moth Meta was horrendous. Mercy and Doomfist went through a godawful time because of people too lazy to A) counterpick, B) track heroes and C) follow the BIG ASS YELLOW/BLUE BEAM TO MERCY. I got multiple rez Potgs as massrez Mercy because I was lucky enough not to get caught in a graviton or something, but the enemy was too busy patting themselves on the back to turn 5 feet to to the right and stab me.
Literally anyone that had a teamkilling-potential ult could counter her, and hilariously they're ALSO commonly hide-and-ult heroes. McCree went through a rough patch because his best use was to counter Mass Rez with Deadeye, and since Mercy got nerfed, he indirectly did as well. But any intelligent team NEVER blasted all their ults at once like everyone does now, because if there was a good Mercy, she would undo the work you'd done and you'd have to use more ults to keep the advantage. But you didn't have to be a McCree, D.Va, Reaper or Junkrat to keep Mercy in check- all you had to do was kill her FIRST, or tickle her until she ran back to her team and got caught in the ult your team used to take point.
I used to be countered during Tempo rezzes a lot (they would kill 2-3 of my team, then when I rezzed, before they could use abilities again, launch an ult and get them and myself), McCree and Junkrat would pop from the shadows on my way back from spawn, and my god. The Roadhogs.
The one Hog I remember like it happened last match killed my attacking team in Eichenwalde with ult, then BODYBLOCKED MY FLIGHT PATH TO MY TEAM. I did not survive the 2 seconds I needed to get 100% ult and rez them, and he got a well deserved play.
Sorry for the rant, but so, SO many of Overwatch's problems that everyone hated stemmed from the nightmare surrounding Mercy. Because everyone focused on the bad / rare hide and rez Mercies posting to UA-cam, instead of actually listening. I honestly think the game still hasn't recovered, and it's a shame.
was an old mercy main back when i played overwatch a lot, before the valkyrie ult change. annoyed the shit out of me. i remember reviving 3+,4+,or 5+, but i'd never hide, and i'd rarely see other mercies in my games that hid. i stuck around, healed, strengthened, and rezzed when shit got bad. i'd like to say i was good, looking back, but i dont know how much of that is just my brain embellishing via nostalgia lol.
dont understand why mercy was nerfed because like 5 toxic salty bois hated her. i think it was one of the reasons i slowly stopped playing. dunno why this vid acts like every second game a mercy was hiding behind a corner so that they could rez their team after a teamkill.
this really got me in the feels for some reason, i miss old OW
Current mercy
Rein: bro! Heal me!!
Mercy: I am....
Entire Team: mercy is not healing us report her.
Mercy: WHAT!? But I am...
A rein asked my Mercy to go beyond enemy lines and rez him (they had destroyed him when he dove and simply walked to the point) like bruh
They always report me 💀 like I’m sorry that you’re on the other side of the damn map
Every game with a dps moria/layback Lucio on speed/ widow Ana /smo rein Brigs, me as a Mercy main suffers, after the Nerf it was hopeless, and with my tryhard DPS, rush'n'die tanks, I often find my self with 5 gold (20kills or so) with my little'ol BB gun, and still losing
LOL I got reported for not pocketing a shit talking tank because I don't pocket anyone I like to heal everyone
yeah now shes just ass and does nothing but damage boost
She's still overnerfed in reaction to this
Rez is still good to counter a team fight, she's not at all garbage
@@dpi_samantha No need to be garbage, if everything else is just better she's still irrelevant
@@dpi_samantha She doesn't have to be broken again, she just has to be relevant, and right now she's irrelevant.
Now she only appears in quickplay, you will rarely see her in High-Gold/Low-Platinum tier competitive matches and above.
@@victuz she still dominates? You realise just because you don't see her doesn't mean she isn't incredibly strong and seen in higher tiers of play?
@@dpi_samantha 60 HPS again or bust
"Mercy players found themselves playing hide and seek" * forgets that half the roster plays hide and seek" 🤦
*Mcree mains slowly back out of the room*
Idk what elo you play in that half the roster plays hide and seek like mercy did with mass res but I suggest you either get a coach or search a game that suits you more LUL
Primus Invictus half overwatch backs away slowly so primus doesnt see them
Everyone: Mercy was the most overpowered hero in Overwatch history.
Brigitte: aM i A jOkE tO yOu?
No aim
No brain
Brig main
Mercy: respect
Nah I'd say mercy was more broken. Brig was obviously really broken but not as busted
Put launch brig Moira goats against launch moth dive. Brig instakills tracer but gets rezzed. Winston dies but gets rezzed. Lucio or Moira gets picked, and then moth team wins
Nah they just die again
ayembic , Goats would fuck moth meta
I think Mercy in her current state is unwinnable. As in, it is impossible to carry as Mercy. Valkyrie means almost nothing for a team fight. Mercy can't do damage simultaneously while healing, which sets her and her team at a massive disadvantage. Her healing output isn't enough to balance it. She is the worst healer pick in almost every scenario, in my opinion.
She’s hands down the worst pick. She’s in a weird limbo between being a main healer and an off healer. She doesn’t have enough healing potential to be a main healer but doesn’t have a defensive ult to be a true off healer. So there’s no situation where she’s worth picking.
An ult that can save an entire team from death? Crazy. Now imagine that being an E ability.
Eskimo Pie Just kill the mercy 4Head
@@naif9464 i didn't think of that. It's so simple kapp
i dunno, i enjoyed pro play the most when my hero was picked so often. i find it less fun to watch brig, zen, or ana every match. GOATs completely killed my interest in the pro league when it was dominant, and i haven't watched it since.
Having played off and on since OW released, I’ve always enjoyed playing Mercy. I’ll still always be salty about the first rework though, after that I felt like I was playing a completely different character. And I miss getting POTGs
Mercy is an off healer right now. People only use her to damage boost a carry dps or to resurrrect. Unless she is in valkrie her healing is as bad as Zen's. If you have the aim Ana or Baptiste are way better choices. If you cannot aim you should can choose brig or moira. Mercy is literally useless for healing.
Yet for some reason I'd rather play against any other support than mercy because damage boost dps and rez are some of the most annoying things as a dps player
i agree i dont understand why ppl had such a problem with her being able to heal a lot i mean unlike other healers she cant heal and do damage therefore it makes sense for her to do a lot of healing
@@cerealonmytoast4663 I wouldn't mind her healing being higher but they would have to nerf damage boost I think otherwise pocketing dps would be too OP. Would you say that is a good trade off or would you keep the damage boost high
As a mercy main i can say watching this just made me sad. I used to play overwatch a TON but left a couple months ago because i found that after all the nerfs my favorite support wasnt very viable anymore. I constantly found myself struggling to carry bad teammates no matter how well i was doing and because of this, i eventually dropped from high diamond to low gold, in just a month.
So you got boosted by a broken character then cry when you get put back into your correct sr after the nerf lmao
Michael Kopack
I actually never got boosted in my entire time of playing overwatch i just ended up getting teamed up with assholes like you.
@@michaelkopack3715fr
Just realized the irony of the "on fire" bar with the old mass rez. When mercy mass rez she went from 0-100 in the press of a button making he automatically an objective kill but after the rez her potential dropped drastically to where she wasn't really an obj kill anymore :D
I played the original mercy when the game came out. For a whole year, I enjoyed the team Rez ability. The “hide and seek” mercy gameplay was not something I did on purpose, but I felt it was expected by my teammates. Mercy players were pressured to achieve huge rezes. I mean, the game even had rewards for huge rezes, so can we stop solo-blaming mercy players for that gameplay strategy!
The current mercy is shit, btw.
Had to get that play of the game, tbag next to the well played spray while your team dies before zooming for the 5 man res
One of my fondest memories was waiting for my Genji to die before executing a 5-man rez on point B of Anubis. Team came back with a fury and wiped up the match easily after that. In retrospect, it was unfair as hell. But watching these old clips - holy shit, was rez really that fast? Oh my god, yeah, that needed a nerf.
I remember when this happened and became a thing, kind of tainted season 1 of owl
At least back then in old Overwatch there was no Sigma and Orisa double shield. And you didn’t get flamed for being a off tank main lol
This is just another example of Blizzard destroying a character completely. By all means do away with multi-instant rez. But to kill her ability to Rez all together, to nerf her over all healing, to make her basically pointless to have on your team when 95% of support players now only play Moria....this was the dumbest thing Blizzard has done. They have killed off Mercy. They left Reaper's anti G.O.A.T.S. buffs even after 2-2-2. Now days if you have someone picking Mercy and not Moira. You team bitches about there not being enough healing. The whole idea of Mercy is to keep you team alive and Resurrect fallen team members. Not to only deal 50 healing per second and have a Resurrect only available every 30 seconds. Even when you die as Mercy your Res stays on cooldown. Blizzard listens to too many people complaining about not being able to counter Mercy. There are tons of ways to counter her. Launch Mercy...yes she was bad. No one is denying that. But when she used her Ult and it put her Rez from 30 to 10. That is why she has an Ult. What good is her Ult now? 10 more healing per second...wow. All she is able to do now is keep DPS alive. She doesn't heal barely at all when you play as a tank. When the only two Supports capable of cranking out enough heals to keep a tank alive are Ana, Moria, and Baptise. There is a problem. Ana is mainly only useable past Plat and mid Diamond. Hell not even then. You need to be in Masters for you team to know how to play with a Ana. Moria and Baptise are well, more broken than the original Mercy rework. Moria is basically a DPS from plat and below. Baptise, somewhere around Diamond is when you start seeing intelligent players use his kit properly. Now all Mercy is used for is climbing out of gold into plat, and I'd argue that Moria should be used more.
Blizzard has killed there best characters. All to appease these pro player's. To stop them from bitching all the time because, team fights take too long to win. That is the whole point of a support, to crank out healing to keep your team alive or give them offensive or defensive support to allow then to stay alive. There are way too many DPS players. Who do not know a damn thing about what their priorities in the games are. And what's worse is, most DPS players won't pick the exact counters for the enemy teams heals and support. So they go on the forums and bitch. Until they get there way, which in term screws over us Tank mains. I was forced into playing Wrecking Ball for seasons 18 and 19. Why? Because of the lack of healing I wouldnt get as a Rein and Orisa main. There is a problem with you game. When as a Tank main you are forced to pick these more self sustainable Tanks to counter the lack of healing. There is an issue.
Please someone tell me what is the point of Mercy's Ult now? Unlimited Ammo? 60 heal per second? Being able to fly, not only fly but, fly slower. She isn't a throw pick but when Zen and Mercy and Brig are now the bottom of the Support barrel. Something isn't right.
Waah waah
@Teo Mussalo lmao ok dps player. but you can’t deny that mercy was nerfed way too hard and is actual garbage these days. her only purpose is to damage boost and resurrect. god forbid you try to keep anyone alive with your 0.008 hps. and you can forget all about keeping tanks alive when you can’t even neutralize the damage from winston’s tickle gun with your healing. mercy has absolutely nothing good going for her, no need to add salt to the wound.
@@mel.0dy i dont play dps kekw
I wish they just tweaked the mas res like add a cast time on it and maybe ult charge reduction instead a whole rework but then all the incels would still be mad bc they wasted all their ults and she punished them for it
Mercy should get the 60 hps healing back
Nah she is balance now, I think other supports should heal less also
No , she is balanced , stop crying about her
As a mercy player myself, id rather have a boring mercy than a broken one. The 60 hps felt too easy. They shd prolly get rid of rez tho. (Maybe for smth weaker on a shorter CD)
I still think 55 hps would be the sweet spot. I dont see Mercy getting a healing buff than that as she is pretty balanced
that would be cancer if winston ever comes back to the meta
"Mercy rewards high game sense now, and she now keep anyone she prioritizes alive"
Fam, I _quit_ playing Mercy because those exact things AREN'T TRUE after her rework and ensuing nerf marathon. She can't do _squat_ to keep a teammate alive anymore, and rez has been turned into a clunky, anticlimactic self-stun.
Bring back mass rez, then rework it so it feels fair to play against. I miss tempo rezzing.
Yes you miss tempo rezzing because you lack skill. You miss the reward and feeling of accomplishment you instantly got, the low risk high reward situation.
Google Instant Gratification, it is like a drug and when mercy's rezz became less brain-dead you couldn't have that drug as easy as before anymore. And you want easy gameplay because you have no drive to *earn* the reward. That's what you just screamed out
@@PrimusInvictus nobody asked
I was honestly okay with the rework at first. I still missed her Mass-rez, but I was still having fun using her new ult. It was the nerfs afterwards (except maybe the first one) that I felt were unnecessary.
@@xjustaprofile you don't need to be asked to say facts/opinions
I remember playing dive meta and hearing “Kill the mercy first” fun times
Till this day I always find that moment funny 1:16 chad roadhog sacrificed himself for the sake of denying a team rez and i can already hear them both fall to their demise 🤣
Honestly, I had so much fun during Mercy meta. Never took the game seriously, so it felt like an endless deathmatch where I just get to fly and rez everyone. It was broken as hell, but it was a time I actually had fun playing the game.
Mercy isn’t a good solo target heal she does 50hps and an ana can do 175 hp in a second then pump a crap ton more healing and Moria can just out heal everything
Nightlymold 498 yeah, but ana has no monility and she has to aim at the target. It is not a fair comparison between ana and mercy. I do think that moira does too much heals and ana a bit too though
Nightlymold 498 you don’t have to aim with mercy 🤦♀️
@@percy9073 sure you don't have to aim,but she doesn't have burst healing like nade or healing orb. her utility is rez and damage boost because her healing is basically useless. She's underwhelming in most situations. like yes, high skill high reward but mercy has little to no impact unlike very other support. her beam is what she does. If only half of what her beam can do is actually useful, something needs to change.
8:19 "balanced" yeah, I wouldn't use that word personally
On Patch 1.16b I touched Top100 Mercys Worldwide, she was really fun to play and the heal was great. When the 5 man rez was a thing I was one of those Mercys that considered a 2man rez already worth, and I've never wait for everyone to Die, I Just had nice possitioning so I tried to not get on gravs, or flaked, now Just waiting for OW2.
I loved Mercy's Mass Rez ultimate. The devs said that; it was designed to keep the momentum of a team fight going, another attempt to turn the tides.
I had an idea to make Mass Rez tide-turning but not OP. It's a copy of a hero from another game; Faramis.
Faramis' ultimate creates a big circle that resurrects his teammates if they die within it while it was active. It lasts for 10 seconds.
Pros:
- Teammates will keep reviving as long as they die within the circle. No matter how many times they die.
Cons:
- Revived teammates will only stay alive for 10 seconds after their resurrection.
So, the goal of the resurrected allies is to protect the ones still living to keep the push going or finish off all the opponents. If all of the teammates have been revived, then they all will eventually be sent back to the spawn room. A counter to the ult is Roadhog's; he can knock all the opponents out of their Rez circle to prevent them from getting revived.
This idea should keep the devs' intention of Mass Rez while not completely negating the efforts of the team fight.
One of my best friends quit Overwatch because of the Mercy changes. They are not good at shooters, and found the hide and seek playstyle to be very noob friendly for them.
Now I don't play Overwatch anymore either, partly because none of my friends are into the game anymore either.
If I was in charge of game balance I would've taken Mercy's original ult and expairimented with making it bring heroes back with 25% of their max health rather than 100%. This preserves the hide and seek playstyle without making her a must pick.
I can't even earn her rez achievement on the console anymore
I got it a month or so before the rework
@@pinkcheetah7777 Noice, at the time I didn't try out support yet,was only play with Tanks and Defense heroes so I missed out on Mercy :(
bro same i've lost hope of ever getting that trophy
mass rez was so much fun. The old days are missed.
me, mercy main since the launch: sit down my grandchildren. this old woman is about to tell you a story about glory and pain...
This reminds me of the time I got 36 rezzes in one game, god i miss how studpidly broken rezing your whole team was
5:10 what does he mean it doesn’t reset her guardian angel? It doesn’t have to bc by the time u have finished Rez it’s back up already so no. It doesn’t affect her survivability at all
I miss the old OP Mercy, I miss the 5-man resses on one hand and the strategizing to take her out first on the other.
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I loved the moth meta
14 years old Mercy Mains watching this vid: *crying*
I'm 15
@@TheClanBlade or so do you think
I'm 13
Pretty accurate😢
I feel bad for them, one day they'll get to come out of the shadows, one day
Yeah the nerfs worked in terms of tuning down her effectiveness, but to this day because of the rework Mercy is still stuck in a spot where she's no longer engaging to play, fun to play as or fun to play against. She is essentially a healbot whose only utility is to rez the first teammate who gets picked so that it doesn't snowball into the loss of a teamfight.
To top it all off she's stuck with a "jack of all trades, master of none" ultimate that is boring to use, feels unimpactful, and is outclassed by every other support ult.
Wanna outheal high DPS? Transcendence.
Wanna block burst damage? Sound Barrier (or Immortality Field).
Wanna heal and deal damage at the same time? Coalescence (or Amplification Matrix).
Wanna turn your team into 6 armored tanks? Rally.
Wanna save an ally from death and help enable them to frag? Nano Boost.
Valkyrie?
No.
Never Valkyrie.
Your real ult neuters your movement so snipers can easily dome you, only works in a 5 meter radius, and can be interrupted by any boop or CC (Hammond roll, Brig whip or bash, McCree flashbang, Winston primal, Lucio boop, D.Va boop, Pharah boop, Roadhog hook, Mei freeze, Orisa halt, Junkrat mine, Rein charge/shatter, Ana sleep dart, Sombra hack), but at least it's on a 30 second cooldown! ...oh, it's on a 30 second cooldown. So every time it gets interrupted, your value gets cut in half, and then you're stuck hoping that your average healing output is enough to keep your team afloat while you wait half a minute for that mini ult to come off cooldown.
Rez also feels as bad for the enemy team as it does for the Mercy trying to pull it off. When the enemy team has a Mercy and you can't interrupt her rez, Mercy getting to undo a skilled pick is almost as frustrating as her getting to undo a multikill from a DPS ult. But instead of reversing the momentum of a teamfight like mass rez would, single tempo rez just shows teamfight momentum (and general gameplay) to a crawl. The value of rez still means that if one team has a good Mercy, the other team is at an inherent disadvantage for not having one. The only person rez feels good for is the person getting rezzed, and possibly the Mercy once the 3-second cast time is *finally* over.
this. I have 300 hours on mercy and I cannot find any time to have an impactful Valk. everytime I Valk, it's so underwhelming, good valk or not. Sometimes I just won't Valk because the beam breakage is fatal, and if I Valk and my beam breaks there's not enough people close enough together to get value, and it's horrible. everytime a rez is interuppted by some bs despite it being perfectly safe, like a sombra coming out of nowhere and making me fucking helpless bc who knows what a peel is. Rez doesn't feel good at all. Playing mercy is fun but not as fun as it once was.
Reworking Mercy was a mistake, period.
Bring back mass rez
Oh god I hope not. I didn't play the game when it was a thing, but just thinking about it gives me a headache.
idk how mercy meta was a thing, JuSt ClIcK oN hEr HeAD
i thought i heard someone familiar
....... holy shit its muselk hahahah
That clip captured the ridiculousness of the moth meta perfectly.
you forgot about "Battle Mercy" where ana would nano her.
The true golden age of Mercy
The worst meta ever. Just imagine a won teamfight but forgetting that dirty rat that later swoops in and resets the fight.
I miss Moth Meta.
While the support roster wasn’t that diverse, you could pick any dps or tank and it’d work as long as your mercy was competent
honestly i think mercy has gotten the biggest nerf hammer in overwatch I sadly was not here for the 6 man rez but I still like to play her I got to play overwatch when it was 2019 :-: *(I cry)* but I have a nice 84% win rate for her on ps4 so im making it
Mercy on ps4 is easier to climb and have a good winrate, but on pc you'll get flamed if you pick mercy because her healing is trash and you're taking the spot of either a main healer or strong defensive ult. Way better to choose Moira over Mercy cause she does more healing, better survivability, and a better ult while you can damage. Also, way difficult to climb on her. I played Ana to climb but I love mercy's mobility ;-;
Did anyone catch that clever transition at 6:40? When he says "and soon" the mercy goes and heals a player named Soon.
Man, watching these videos really makes you wonder. It makes me miss the old days but also happy that I was able to be a part of the torment.
It was like a high getting that perfect res
8:34 I love the highlight intro sequence
This randomly came across my recomended and I have to say I can't believe you left out the absolute best part of the Moth Meta. That time where Mercy became the best DPS in the game, and Nano Moth reined as the best option for her.
You heard me right, There was a time shortly after Mercy's reworked reworked rez was nerfed to only be 1 use with a charge time that the most common stratagy was to nanoboost a valking mercy and have her go erase the entire enemy team with her infinate gun ammo. The thing that baffled most players is that Blizzard's solution to nerf it was to make mercy's healing worse, but give her stronger healing while in Valk, to encourage players to stick to their team while ulting. This did in fact work, however they never directly nerfed nano valk, meaning it is entirely possible to still do it, so long as you can find an Anna willing to nanoboost her fellow support.
As a 250+ hour Mercy Main, I can say that while for the most part I support the balance changes that have been made to her, I would like to see her healing increased. She has the lowest HPS of the main supports, and while I understand she doesn’t have to rely on resources or aim to heal, I still think it’s too low. She doesn’t have the ability to burst heal or heal multiple targets(outside of her ultimate), so I think her primary hps needs to be higher, or she needs a burst heal ability. Honestly I wouldn’t mind if they scrapped Rez in favor of giving her an ability that acts as a burst heal with some kind of additional buff such as the ability to cleanse allies of status effects such as burn, anti, or sleep. Or even something that prevents incoming status effects and damage.
Well you kinda got that with kiriko now lol
i saw a few clips from a small youtuber - her channel is called niandra, i thought i should mention this cause i didnt see any credit
Love how the whole problem stemmed from OW's SR system being performance based, so that getting those huge rezes would benefit the Mercy doing them. If they just went fixed up and down values, this whole thing could have been avoided lol
The Mercy meta was infamous because of how Blizzard managed her buffs and nerfs and not because of the rework itself.
Prove me wrong.
B VZ You’re not wrong you’re correct in every way.
In the support community yeah, everywhere else it was because she literally had no counter play because lshift turned her into an SR-71 blackbird and Q turned her into a Saturn V, Not to mention her literally unbeatable E and ridiculous hps, and that her ult made her into a better orisa bongo, and that she has a passive self heal, and that she has a tiny hotbox and that support mains complained when she couldn't have a 100% winrate anymore
From having the game-changing ultimate like everyone else to becoming just a heal bot.
When a counter to her was legit, just focus and kill her. Heck with soo many 1 shot ko's in the game and crowd control it's a surprise you'd get those rez. Remember she can't dodge while flying to someone.
Now her Valkyrie just makes her a bigger target as no tank part of Zarya can protect you while you're mid-air. Have fun being 1 shotted by hit scan or flying genjis or doom fist, or Sombra, or any char with a decent aim. All while your all healing being negated by 1 well-thrown granade, which is not a rare occurrence when your team groups to get those heals. You can use dmg buff, but if your team can't aim to kill them without it, what makes you think they could with a damage buff? It doesn't grant auto-aim.
Many of you'll say that I only liked her because she was low skill high reward. There might be some truth to that, but if your class is not considered dps, then it won't take much skill to play in the first place. Mei can spray and pray, torb has auto-aim turret, so does sym, junkrat deals in aoe dmg, so just shoot vaguely in their direction, Hanzo used to have scatter arrow. Heck, even mcree players have over-reliance on his flashbang, which is an AOE stun that gives him a free kill if it lands, at least you can try and counter reaper and he has to be in your face to 1 shot you.
Original mercy ult made you feel powerful and there were actual POTG you could do, now all you do is heal, heck even Medic from TF2 is a more active healer them Mercy now, just RB1 and sometimes shift, got ult? pop it and RB1 and sometimes shift.
Immeadetly changed to Moira after they took all fun from mercy, sure her numbers are fine, but it's a game, not a year's earning draft.
I miss old mercy tbh, it hink that they should either give her like 2 rez charges but on a 45-60sec cd, or maybe even 3 chargers on a 60-90sec cd. I think they should keep the delay and the ult as they are, so that she isnt op af
many people have suggested a mass rez based on how much healing you do, with more healing = more people able to be rezzed. i think thatd be good.
pls dont make me remember this meta !! 😥😥
it was disgusting, seeing that moth flying around making your picks useless
@@collapsingduck bruh exactly xd !!
I don't know why rez is even in the game. Even now it's annoying af
6:22 unrelated but good lord Architect is insane
I like how Mercy is today, but I think there were better ways to change it, like, she could continue with the original ult, but when the player presses the button, Mercy is an animation that allows the enemy team try counter, not instantaneously as I was, as the Sombra's ult for example, when she's ult there is a small moment of vulnerability in which the ult can be canceled. Or maybe the animation could increase the duration depending on how many allies were there, which would discourage Mercy from waiting for the entire team to die, as it would be more risky. I don't know, but there were other solutions.
Who else kinda misses mercy now that we've had moira and bap
Let's be honest, only Genji and Tracer mains consider Dive meta to be the "golden age" of Overwatch.
Shouldve just left her alone and made Rez extremely hard to charge imo. Make it almost impossible to Rez more than ~2-3x per match and leave the healing alone. Shes just not that fun anymore they went wayyy too extreme on an easily solved issue
You made an error you said more healers like Moira but she is a DPS
As someone who is new to the game and really enjoys mercy, why did they ever think such a fast revive ability was ever reasonable?
Because Blizzard is originally an MMO / MMORPG studio. Ow1 was a painful learning process for them. Painful to watch too.
Honestly with how much power creep is in this game, I wouldn’t mind Mercy being able to slow down the game 😕
Honestly, me too. Especially after Baptise even being a character at all.
Love the music at the start, glad to hear some parts of the Gravity Rush series are still being used/appreciated
I very distinctly remember a game where my team lost the fight, I got a 5 man rez, then they lost again. It was the most frustrating game I've ever had because OMG JUST DO SOMETHING.
How about another video about how she got nerfed so bad she's practically unplayable now.