Holy Cow! I received my Sub Mini yesterday, pairing with Arc, and wow, am I impressed! You were right! In my small apartment, I can't imagine having the Sub Gen 3. The mini at standard levels was incredible! Music especially felt dramatically enhanced. I wanted a system where I could enjoy equally music and movie experience, without overwhelming neighbors, or even my experience!.....Well, the sub mini delivered! Base was clear, deep and precise, in all the right places for both music and movie application. A must buy if you're either in a small place or don't want to be overwhelmed. It's not so mini! That was something I was really afraid would happen, that I would it wouldn't be enough, and I would make a mistake and regret it. I am really impressed and it delivered like I wanted it to. Thanks Peter!
Your videos have been getting more and more polished and slick, aside from your always very detailed reviews, it’s great to see you’ve upped your editing game.
@@PeterPee great video! Hey can I please ask: I recently ordered and received the White Sub Gen 3 (to pair with my Beam 2), and it’s Gloss white. Not Matte white. Does this mean it’s a Sub Gen 2 that they sent me?
@@PeterPee also… I don’t care about my neighbor, (just kidding.. I turned it up 70% volume and went outside near the property line and cannot hear anything hardly).. but the Sub Gen 3 DEFINITELY outclasses that poor little Beam 2… so I’m still in the return window and considering returning to Best Buy and upgrading to the Arc… thoughts??
We all know Peter is gonna review the heck out of the Mini and will share information not found elsewhere. Quality content as always, and all the best at your live video this Sunday!
Dear Peter, thank you for your advice. I have replaced my YAMAHA RX-V657 AV Receiver - Surround 7.1 with small KEF KHT 1005 speakers for the SONOS ARC - 2x ERA 300 and bought, after 2 weeks, the SUB-mini. (Had to convince my wife LOL) I can only confirm your observation and technical analysis. The SUB-mini fits perfectly and provides the good base sound balance which suits the size of my living room. Greetings from Belgium.
This review was a seller for the mini to my application. Well rounded, small size for a small room, tight response, expensive but still budget accessible to work with the beam gen 2. Super easy to setup with the existing beam g2. The mini greatly enhanced the experience for my applications. Almost to the mind blowing difference that really freed up the beams performance. A huge sell..... Thanks for the review
Just got my Sub Mini today to go with my Beam gen 2 and Ikea surrounds. It absolutely booms bass and I can feel it in my bones! Almost got a Sub gen 3 but this is more than enough. Tried with Armageddon, Transformers and Matrix movies. Music improved dramatically too. God Tier!
@@jedlomax100 Defo. I've gone from a large wired higher end solution to a more simple wireless one and I love it. The only downside is I keep thinking someone is at the door with the surrounds ;)
Looks fantastic. Sonos really has a grip on this area of audio. I just wish they would invest a bit more into refining sound quality. These things leave me feeling “cold” with shrill sound. Anyway, as usual, Peter’s reviews are second to none!
I just purchased an Arc and found the bass a little lite for both movies and music. Most reviews recommend only using the Gen 3 sub with the Arc, but being a very conscientious neighbor and somewhat frugal, I decided against adding a sub. Your review solved my dilemma with the Mini Sub. Thanks for a very thorough and understandable review.
I pinched the sub mini from my living room setup (beam plus one surrounds) for my cinema room setup (just replaced Panasonic sound bar + Panasonic sub with an Arc) temporarily until I get my Sub Gen 3 (just have to sneak the spend past the wife)- it's a fairly large room - around 5x7 meters with a cathedral roof - but the mini does an admirable job. Fortunately my neighbors are a fair way away so no issues there, so I will definitely go sub gen 3, but for now it's very enjoyable.
You are the best Sonos reviewer out there so much good information your channel is extremely valuable. Thank you so much and you have a great way of speaking to make everybody understand.
Hi Peter! Well done, great review. I bought both the Sub Gen 3 and the Mini, deciding to keep the Gen 3 because it is more performing for watching movies, with more present and thunderous bass. So I returned the Sub Mini. The sub is in a surround system together with Beam 2 and 2 One SL, all in a 25 square meters room. In daily listening I realize that, perhaps due to the small environment, the Gen 3 is very invasive, not so much for watching movies, but especially for listening to music, where sometimes it is almost too present and leads me to lower it by a couple of points. Now I'm thinking of buying a Sub Mini again to retest it properly because it makes no sense to have so much power if I then have to lower it, better than to increase the smoother bass of a Mini, also considering the physical dimensions and the better aesthetics of the smaller sub.
I just got the Sub Mini and oh boy why didn't I get that way before!? It's one of the best investment I have done to my Sonos system. I have paired to two Play:1 and the music and bass from that system had put a great smile on my face when listening to music. The music just sounds so much better! And the bass is touching! Got damn, so much fun and joy to my ears. Will recommend everybody to get the Sub Mini to really take their Sonos system to the next level!
Just got the sub mini and paired with my beam gen 2 and 2 SL Ones's. My room is 12.6 by 20.6 ft. Trying to explain the quality of sound is a little difficult. The bass doesn't take over it just becomes immersive and blends seamlessly with the rest of the speakers to give a sound quality that is truly remarkable. If you want a bass that's going to shake and rattle the walls this is not what you need, get the sub gen 3. But if it's quality sound for movies and music that is just right this is the speaker for you. Many said adding the sub mini makes the beam gen 2 sound even better as it is not trying to put out bass and just worries with the mid-range and highs and they are spot on. This is one of the best purchases I have made to complete the sound with my sonos system.
Yes. What you are describing is like perfect bass/sub integration. Sealed subs are a little easier to integrate. And when well integrated you will find yourself wondering how come all the bass is coming out from the sound bar or speakers. You won’t be able to localised where the sub is.
Thank you so much for this video! Would love to see how Sonos Arc, Sun Mini and the IKEA Lamp Speakers all go together but so happy found your channel!
It depends on the room size. If you can spare the cash and the space for the bigger sub the gen 3 is definitely more powerful. Unless you are placing it in a small to average size room.
This is something I have been wanting for a while, I am so glad I did not get another Sonos sub. We have multiple Sonos devices and only one sub in the living room. I have wanted another for the bedroom. I even moved our Sonos sub there for a while, but it did not work out well. Too loud if my wife fell asleep, and too pricey to only be used sometimes. My wife also is not thrilled with the size and finish. This seems to check off all the boxes.
Hands down one of the best Sub mini/ sub gen 3 reviews out there for pairing with the Arc! Thanks for helping me with all the questions and thoughts I had on whether to go with the sub mini or not! I'm in a small apartment and listen 50% music, 50% movies, and you made it easier to decide. I've just purchased the sub-mini and can't wait to hear it in my own environment. Thank you!
Peter....You just get better and better. I fall in the group that likes the amount of bass my Gen3 produces. I'm looking forward to adding a second Gen 3 to fill my open-concept room evenly. 🤞
Thank you Peter! I am already convinced! I have the Arc and was worried they would not go well together but this has reassured me! I am the 50/50 category :D Thanks again!
Go for it! The recording was done with an arc! Yes UA-cam compresses it and so many recording factors that will deteriorate the sound but you get a good idea of how it sounds relative to each other. And also, the spectrum analyser should give you a good visual indication!
Bought it after watching your video. Solid buy, yes. Absolutely. Living room of 20x20ft, paired to a Beam2, there's more than ample bass to go around and my equalizer is only set to+3. Mini? What mini? The bass "boom" is felt at all rooms in the house... and also by my neighbours. I have to turn on night mode after 11pm.
Dear Peter, thanks for all your reviews. Perhaps I should watch this video a few more times, because there is a lot of information you have analyzed and presented here. Basically I prefer to listen to music. I have a fairly expensive ProAc Response based Hi-Fi stereo system, but I don't listen to it all the time because I have to sit down, select music, turn everything on (and put your phone away) and then enjoy. It takes time and mood, which I don't always have. That's why I listen to Sonos all day and night. Let me describe my Sonos configuration. I have an Arc + 2 Sonos One for the movie in the sittng room. And 2 Fives + Sub Gen 3 for music in another room. I use 2 Fives with Sub Gen 3 and I'm happy with the everyday music and almost happy with the bass, it is deep, powerfool but it's not very dynamic. I also feel that Arc lacks bass a bit when I watch movies. What should I do? Buy Sub Mini and connect with Arc? Or connect Arc with Gen 3, and Fives with Sub Mini? My head is exploding with options. Thank you in advance for your opinion.
maybe maybe. What are your preferences and considerations? I plan to try a closed subwoofer design. I think this bass should be more precise, but less powerful. It will be easier for the neighbors))
@@vladislavgaitukaev3919 my living room is 18ft 11 width ( ) and 13ft 6 length. I love blasting music and watching movies but sadly i live in an apartment building so i can not always be blasting music as my neighbors are sensitive to noise 🙄. i wish i lived next to neighbors that are just as noisy as me.
@@vladislavgaitukaev3919 yea one day i will own my house and make the best sound system with sound proof walls. But sadly i live in NYC where the houses that are aforable which is around $700,000 suck and aren’t so big. i want to move to a different state and get a bigger house for less.
Never seen your videos in my feed before, but in looking for more in-depth reviews for the sub mini your video cames up and I'm really glad I oped it!! Great stuff.
Man I love your videos. As a novice you just taught me that getting a sub (potential this sub) will actually improve the sound coming out of my other sonos speakers.
This is really helpful. I have a playbar at the moment but a speaker has blown so I’ve purchased the arc. Unfortunately I’m wait to get into a new property so can’t set it up yet but the fact that you have done this comparison has definitely made me sway more to the sub mini. Really helpful thanks
Great review. As an owner of a Sub Gen 2, I must say I am tempted to downgrade to Mini. But, there are two reasons not to. Firstly, I would be able to sell my Sub Gen 2 for less than 350 dollars and would have to add money to buy somewhat a less powerfull Sub. Second, and I think others will agree, Sonos soundbars are not really for music. I use my Sonos in ratio 80% to 20% in favour of movies, TV and TV shows. All of my music is done by surrounds (play 3's) which with Sub gen 2 sound really good. So, switching to Mini would mean less powerfull home theater and slightly better balanced music. I think I should save my money for the switch from Playbar to Arc. But Mini does looks really cool.
Sorry to hijack your comment but just wanted to ask.. you said for music play back is just done by your surrounds, is that the surrounds that are part of your soundbar/sub/surround setup? And if so, can you help me understand how I could do that? Thanks!
@@PeterPee I would only be happy If I could somewhat replace the Playbar and Sub Gen2 with Beam Gen2 and Sub Mini bet in a way I am left over with funds to buy a single Five or a pair of One's. But, i doubt I could get it.
@@benward8302 I'll be glad to. All my Sonos (Playbar, Sub Gen 2 and a pair of Play 3's) are in the same group called Family room, so only one source can be played at a a time. The surrounds are directly behind my seating area, 2,5 metres apart and the Sub is in between them. I basically like background music while playing with the kids but every one in a while I do want some critical listening. I simply go into my Sonos app settings/System/Family Room/Surround Audio. I'll check if my Music Playback is Full and I drag the Music level slider to +15. That really 'mutes' the Playbar and I get stereo Play 3's with the Sub. My only gripe is I have to turn around to face stereo setup properly.
Already pre-ordered! Can’t wait. I read on another article that said it’s better for movies than music which is good news to me but contradictory to other things I’ve heard about sealed subs.
Nice! I think better or not it’s subjective too. In general sealed subs are better for music. I have also been trying it out in a Sonos play:1 stereo setup and amp paired with Yamaha ceiling speakers and amp paired with NAD 8020 speakers for music. Your experience may vary from mine.
My finding is leading me to keep the Sub though I have it in a rather small room for music listening. I have a small room of 11' x 13' with a 8' ceiling. I normally run a Sub. Tested the Sub Mini by switching back and forth about 7 times. I also swaped positions to make sure that all the room notes etc are identical. I WANTED to hear more resolution from the Mini due to its sealed design. Also, both are rated to 25hz and I figured that for a room as small as mine, I would get the same visceral impact as the larger sub. I would love to get that bit of floor space back. HOWEVER, I did not find that at all. Everyime I thought that the Mini had better resolution, I'll switch the Sub back and heard the same resolution. The KEY difference though is that the Sub simply had a lot more impact. Thicker, deeper, more present. A lot more visceral. It was a lot more enjoyable. This is unfortunate. So the Sub Mini is going back to Sonos. Added note: I went on youtube and ran some 'subwoofer tests' - and the difference is even clearer with these exaggerated tests. The Mini clearly add significant bass, but nothing like the Sub even in a small room.
Hey thanks for sharing that. I agree with you. At the same settings, in a side by side A-B comparison testing, the larger sub is always going to perform better. There is no fighting the physics of it. You will get the sub mini to perform at the same levels if you push a +5 to +8 to match it. But if you need to push it to a +8, you really need the sub gen 3 either because of your room size or your preference.
@@PeterPee Actually, I bumped up the MINI to maximum in the sub setting, and the regular Sub to about 15% up on that scale. I think the SUB actually reaches down lower - or has a lot more quantity on the lowest registers. But my greatest surprise is that I did not hear a lot more resolution with that sealed Mini as I expected. This is all for music listening. I just watched an hour of film yesterday with deep bass and it just is not the same - even in my small bedroom sized area. For me, I'll call it 'polite' - you know the sub is there, but politely behaving so as not to be overly intrusive. THe regular sub however, can be quite intrusive if you set it 50% higher than the middle setting. And sometimes with a sub and movies, you just want that intrusiveness to FEEL the rumble.
Just found your review on release day having never heard of this new Sub! This is what I was waiting for and I have one here now. It’s perfect for my setup with a Beam and 2 One SLs Excellent video, thanks! Subscribed 👍🏼
I really appreciated this review of yours. I Bought Sub Gen 3 2 years ago and returned it a week later because it simply outputs too much bass for my liking. Your recommendation makes a lot sense to me to go for the Sub mini. I'll visit Best Buy and get one for my home theatre today.
Glad you enjoyed it! I wonder if they already had the Sub mini planned 2 years ago when they released the sub gen 3. They probably decided to launch the Gen 3 first else no one wants to get the bigger sub. :)
Best of your videos to date. Lots of info and I was undecided about getting a sub. Thought about sub gen 3 but it may be to much for how I’m set up. So I waited for the mini but didn’t want a lackluster sub. I have now decided based on your video to buy the Mini. I believe it will be perfect for my system. Thank you
Thnx for putting the graphs side by side for I for one hate going back and forth between the two. Excellent review 👌🏼 Very informative Is it just a sub is it like an all in one solution? Wifi only? No BT? If so which version. Th Mx again :D
Peter!! I was so waiting for this video. You just nailed it. I always gets amazed the way you answer all the questions come to my mind. Ok so I am the user with 2 Play ones as surround and Sonos ARC and was waiting for you to give verdict on sub mini. I am all hands down going for sub mini. Thanks for your recommendation+the RGY response chart and finally my 50-50 usage of music+movies. Truly appreciate your time however needless to say I will surely wait for youe Arc+sub mini combination video. Have a great day!!
I probably covered the important Arc + Sub content in this video but I will want to do one with the trueplay sorted and the surrounds added. I am waiting to get enough funds to buy the stuff now that Sonos has taken back the review units. :)
I got the Sub mini to add to my Beam Gen 1 and two Symfonisk bookshelf surround speakers to LG OLED 55C9 in master bedroom. I already had a Gen 3 sub+Gen 1 Beam+2 One SLs in my office and liked the improvement the sub added to the sound quality and extra bass. I just couldn't get the sub mini to stay connected to my system for more than a few minutes. I've tried multiple times troubleshooting in the app, wired/wifi connections, running app diagnostics, and calling Sonos tech support for help. It would work for a little bit and then show "not connected" in the app a few minutes later. Ended up sending the sub mini back after a few days of getting nowhere with it. First time having an issue connecting any Sonos product I have (two Beam Gen 1, One Arc, three Gen 3 Subs, four Symfonisk bookshelf, two Fives, two One SL, two Roams).
@@PeterPee I figured it out. I thought it was an issue with the sub mini; but, I had the same issue when I replaced with a Gen 3 sub. Did the old Google search on Sonos connection issues and it was the Sonos sub being too close to my wireless router causing the issue. Not sure why the Beam Gen 1 can sit 12 inches away wireless from the router without issues; but, the Sonos sub being 2-3 feet away from the Beam would disconnect? Moved the sub 16 feet away near the rear of the room and it has stayed connected.
I think, it also depends on the genre of music you listen to. Ported and seald can both sound great for music, but for genres like hiphop, esp modern hip-hop, some pop and some EDM. Ported can really shine. Lots of lower frequencies, below 30hz and can sound great. But, it's all preference and taste as you mentioned.
Got a sub mini with a gen2 beam, ones at rear, eq base setting 4 and treble 5, sub output plus 6 and it sounds awesome I love it, great video peter your the man
I just bought a Sonos Beam Gen 2. I’m happy with the performance but definitely would like more bass. So happy this was released. Went on ahead and preordered. I’ll add the Sonos One SL’s by Christmas. Should be a decent setup for a smaller living room.
@@46ASM I just bought the One’s this past week. So I have the full setup now. It’s great. The sub mini isn’t earth shaking but it’s enough to give movies and music more punch. If/when I move to our next house I plan to keep this set for the living room. And then have a main movie room with the arc and regular sub.
Great video Peter! Always a great and detailed review! Thank you for sharing! What do you think if you use the sub mini in a large room? 40m2 with high ceilings?
That's a pretty big space... I am going to recommend you go for the Sub gen 3. Or Sub Gen 2. I am imagining a space of 5m x 8m with 3+M ceiling height... It's too much air for the Sub Mini to pressurise.
Hey Peter! One year late to your review, but I wanted to suggest you start including F3 and F6 numbers for subs. Since you have done the measurements already.
I felt like I kept the volume on most old Sonos products very low. Especially the rear speakers. Even Ikea bookshelf as rear speakers are probably overkill for me as I can’t have my couch far away from the wall. Sonos was over kill for me so I’m glad they have added smaller, cheaper units. I’ll move in to an apartment again soon. I am worried about neighbours as I stay up quite late. I hope the beam 2 + Sub mini + 2 ikea bookshelf will sound good. The Sony HT-A9 would just look so much better though.
I have to agree on the HT-A9... Looks are killer. If you are considering the beam gen 2 + sub mini with surrounds, I think that is the killer combination from Sonos right now.
@@PeterPee Did I understand correctly that we don't have to worry for our neighbours with Sonos Sub Mini (living in a flat as well) ? Thanks for the great review by the way !
Hi Peter, thanks for the great review, I was awaiting for your review before committing and now I'm convinced, thanks to u! Do you have a coupon code to sweeten the deal? For Singapore usage.
Yes I do! I will be releasing it in the live stream on Sunday 10am! Wait for that! It's not a large amount but probably the best I can negotiate for you guys.
It's decided, thank you for the review! The thing you said about there might be too much bass in the Gen3 convinced me I should buy the Mini. My neighbours wouldn't like that and I'm more into music than movies
Great review peter... currently have a dedicated room with arc,sl's and dual subs. Have been considering putting a simple 2ch setup together. It's nice to have a sealed option now. Iam assuming i will prefer its accuracy and roll off characteristics over the G3 for dedicated music applications. Looking forward to getting my hands on one.
The only negative thing i can say about this sub, is that the frequency range is super gated. Theres no room for adjustment in the app, so if you find yourself listening to a song where a bass guitar balance on that gated frequency line, the sub kicks in and out on that bassline. Id love to be able to rise the frequency just a little and soften the "gate" slightly.
Always top notch content!!! I'd love to know if you'd think it's better to add the Sub Mini or two One SLs to the Arc. I'm leaning towards the mini in hopes the ones get upgraded this year. Thoughts???
Great Video I'm just waiting for your test of the Mini paired with 2 x Five's. For playing only music.That will be the main reason to purchase the Mini for me!
Now I understand why SONOS did not install the possibility of pairing 2 sub-mini, because buying 2 would give you better sound than the One Sub2 or Sub3, for music and movies. Thanks for video, Peter.
Same reason why they don’t make an AMP with a centre channel and rear surrounds. Nobody would buy their ARC home theatre package, when you could get superior aftermarket speakers for the price.
As always, an amazing Video Peter! Keep Up the Good Work. I was wondering about the correct orientation of Sub-Mini and the slot. It is Advertised (At Least Most Photos) with the slot facing toward to the listener, but the connect button on all sonos are at the back. Does this means that the slots are facing sideways and not at front? Did you manage to play around with different directions and if so, does it have different impact to acoustics?
There is definitely a difference. I am trying to get enough time to make a video on that. Please be patient. For now, just use what you feel sounds ok to you. In most product shots, they have to show the slot. If not it looks really bland and plain. The sub mini is almost featureless on most sides.
I have a Beam (gen 1) and two One speakers. Last year I found a gen2 Sub open box from Best Buy for $300. It definitely upped both the home theatre and music experience a lot. The sub mini seems like a great option now - there was no way I was going to pay full price for a Gen 3 sub.
@@PeterPee True, but at the time there was no sub mini. So I had to keep an eye out for a used or discounted sub gen2 because I couldn't justify a new gen 3. If available at the time, I would have bought a new Sub mini.
Great review Peter, i've been waiting for a more affordable and compact sub option from Sonos. Looks like the wait is over. I am curious if you have the dimensions to the box? Am planning to get it during my visit to Australia soon and hand carry it back.
Hi, great review. At what volume level are you testing frequency response with Arc? I wonder if it falls of with higher volume - my guess would be around 60%.
Great review thanks. I have what may seem like a silly question but here goes………I intend to buy the sub mini soon, but unfortunately my layout means that my tv is in the corner of a square room, so my sub will be in one of those corners also. Would you face the open slot so that as you look through it you can see the corner, or would you have the slot so that each side faces a wall? I am thinking that this could make a big difference to the sound, and just wondered what your thoughts were? (If this makes sense lol).
@Peter... For me and many more you are the lighthouse that guides us to a good port... For this reason and thinking of all users focused on music I want to ask you for a specific analysis of the SONOS One + sub mini versus 2 five stereo pair. How close are they? At the moment I use my One without trueplay, since I feel that when activating the trueplay all the music loses a lot of presence and body ... Trueplay flattens them.
I have been using the Play:1s with sub mini for a few days. I really love that sound. I think the Ones with Sub is a very close contender for the best stereo music setup against a pair of Fives. I have to test them and measure them though.
@@PeterPee ^__^= but it will be worth it.. your very passionate and no one goes to town like you do.. hence why your on Sonos radar 😊 and well deserved too.
Holy Cow! I received my Sub Mini yesterday, pairing with Arc, and wow, am I impressed! You were right! In my small apartment, I can't imagine having the Sub Gen 3. The mini at standard levels was incredible! Music especially felt dramatically enhanced. I wanted a system where I could enjoy equally music and movie experience, without overwhelming neighbors, or even my experience!.....Well, the sub mini delivered! Base was clear, deep and precise, in all the right places for both music and movie application. A must buy if you're either in a small place or don't want to be overwhelmed. It's not so mini! That was something I was really afraid would happen, that I would it wouldn't be enough, and I would make a mistake and regret it. I am really impressed and it delivered like I wanted it to. Thanks Peter!
Your videos have been getting more and more polished and slick, aside from your always very detailed reviews, it’s great to see you’ve upped your editing game.
Glad you like them! I really appreciate the feedback!
@@PeterPee Ya, with all the Plug-ins. Nice! From MotionVFX?
@@PeterPee great video! Hey can I please ask: I recently ordered and received the White Sub Gen 3 (to pair with my Beam 2), and it’s Gloss white. Not Matte white. Does this mean it’s a Sub Gen 2 that they sent me?
@@PeterPee also… I don’t care about my neighbor, (just kidding.. I turned it up 70% volume and went outside near the property line and cannot hear anything hardly).. but the Sub Gen 3 DEFINITELY outclasses that poor little Beam 2… so I’m still in the return window and considering returning to Best Buy and upgrading to the Arc… thoughts??
We all know Peter is gonna review the heck out of the Mini and will share information not found elsewhere. Quality content as always, and all the best at your live video this Sunday!
Thanks Michael! Always appreciative of your support!
Your channel has grown in quality so much over the years man! Come to you first for any Sonos content. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for your very kind words and support Marian!
Dear Peter, thank you for your advice. I have replaced my YAMAHA RX-V657 AV Receiver - Surround 7.1 with small KEF KHT 1005 speakers for the SONOS ARC - 2x ERA 300 and bought, after 2 weeks, the SUB-mini. (Had to convince my wife LOL) I can only confirm your observation and technical analysis. The SUB-mini fits perfectly and provides the good base sound balance which suits the size of my living room. Greetings from Belgium.
Considering same setup as yours
This review was a seller for the mini to my application.
Well rounded, small size for a small room, tight response, expensive but still budget accessible to work with the beam gen 2. Super easy to setup with the existing beam g2.
The mini greatly enhanced the experience for my applications. Almost to the mind blowing difference that really freed up the beams performance. A huge sell.....
Thanks for the review
I am glad to have you on board!
One of the most detailed guys in UA-cam. It always boggles me why he doesn't have more subscribers
Boggles? Good term. I would go with Bamboozled. Lol
Just got my Sub Mini today to go with my Beam gen 2 and Ikea surrounds. It absolutely booms bass and I can feel it in my bones! Almost got a Sub gen 3 but this is more than enough. Tried with Armageddon, Transformers and Matrix movies. Music improved dramatically too. God Tier!
GOD TIER indeed! I really loved that guy if your space doesn't need more.
I am thinking of this exact setup. My room is quite small. So you'd recommend?
@@jedlomax100 Defo. I've gone from a large wired higher end solution to a more simple wireless one and I love it. The only downside is I keep thinking someone is at the door with the surrounds ;)
Looks fantastic. Sonos really has a grip on this area of audio. I just wish they would invest a bit more into refining sound quality. These things leave me feeling “cold” with shrill sound. Anyway, as usual, Peter’s reviews are second to none!
Thanks for your kind support there!
They sound great on cafes I guess :)
@@RennieAsh “sound great on cafes”??……What is your point?
I just purchased an Arc and found the bass a little lite for both movies and music. Most reviews recommend only using the Gen 3 sub with the Arc, but being a very conscientious neighbor and somewhat frugal, I decided against adding a sub. Your review solved my dilemma with the Mini Sub.
Thanks for a very thorough and understandable review.
I pinched the sub mini from my living room setup (beam plus one surrounds) for my cinema room setup (just replaced Panasonic sound bar + Panasonic sub with an Arc) temporarily until I get my Sub Gen 3 (just have to sneak the spend past the wife)- it's a fairly large room - around 5x7 meters with a cathedral roof - but the mini does an admirable job. Fortunately my neighbors are a fair way away so no issues there, so I will definitely go sub gen 3, but for now it's very enjoyable.
You are the best Sonos reviewer out there so much good information your channel is extremely valuable. Thank you so much and you have a great way of speaking to make everybody understand.
Thanks for this Stephen!
Hi Peter! Well done, great review. I bought both the Sub Gen 3 and the Mini, deciding to keep the Gen 3 because it is more performing for watching movies, with more present and thunderous bass. So I returned the Sub Mini. The sub is in a surround system together with Beam 2 and 2 One SL, all in a 25 square meters room. In daily listening I realize that, perhaps due to the small environment, the Gen 3 is very invasive, not so much for watching movies, but especially for listening to music, where sometimes it is almost too present and leads me to lower it by a couple of points. Now I'm thinking of buying a Sub Mini again to retest it properly because it makes no sense to have so much power if I then have to lower it, better than to increase the smoother bass of a Mini, also considering the physical dimensions and the better aesthetics of the smaller sub.
Thanks for review by the time mini sub announced I already fall in love with the design. I will get one.
Good choice! Thanks for your kind support!
I just got the Sub Mini and oh boy why didn't I get that way before!? It's one of the best investment I have done to my Sonos system. I have paired to two Play:1 and the music and bass from that system had put a great smile on my face when listening to music. The music just sounds so much better! And the bass is touching! Got damn, so much fun and joy to my ears. Will recommend everybody to get the Sub Mini to really take their Sonos system to the next level!
Just got the sub mini and paired with my beam gen 2 and 2 SL Ones's. My room is 12.6 by 20.6 ft. Trying to explain the quality of sound is a little difficult. The bass doesn't take over it just becomes immersive and blends seamlessly with the rest of the speakers to give a sound quality that is truly remarkable. If you want a bass that's going to shake and rattle the walls this is not what you need, get the sub gen 3. But if it's quality sound for movies and music that is just right this is the speaker for you. Many said adding the sub mini makes the beam gen 2 sound even better as it is not trying to put out bass and just worries with the mid-range and highs and they are spot on. This is one of the best purchases I have made to complete the sound with my sonos system.
Yes. What you are describing is like perfect bass/sub integration. Sealed subs are a little easier to integrate. And when well integrated you will find yourself wondering how come all the bass is coming out from the sound bar or speakers. You won’t be able to localised where the sub is.
Next level of editing prowess. Very slick, Pete. Twenty four minutes of the meaty Sonos details we desire.
Hey Finch! Thanks for this and I appreciate!
Thank you so much for this video! Would love to see how Sonos Arc, Sun Mini and the IKEA Lamp Speakers all go together but so happy found your channel!
Amazing video! I almost never comment but this was a super helpful video and love your technical knowledge. Learned many new things.
Outstanding work! This video was so comprehensive and so well thought out covering so many setups. You are fantastic at what you do!
Thanks for your compliments!
Peter, thank you for your review! I have ordered the Gen 3 a week ago.. Now i might reconsider my decision..
It depends on the room size. If you can spare the cash and the space for the bigger sub the gen 3 is definitely more powerful. Unless you are placing it in a small to average size room.
This is something I have been wanting for a while, I am so glad I did not get another Sonos sub. We have multiple Sonos devices and only one sub in the living room. I have wanted another for the bedroom. I even moved our Sonos sub there for a while, but it did not work out well. Too loud if my wife fell asleep, and too pricey to only be used sometimes. My wife also is not thrilled with the size and finish. This seems to check off all the boxes.
Put a pair of earrings on top. She’ll love it.
Hands down one of the best Sub mini/ sub gen 3 reviews out there for pairing with the Arc! Thanks for helping me with all the questions and thoughts I had on whether to go with the sub mini or not! I'm in a small apartment and listen 50% music, 50% movies, and you made it easier to decide. I've just purchased the sub-mini and can't wait to hear it in my own environment. Thank you!
With music, you will feel that it is better. :)
What’s your experience and opinion on the arc + sub mini combo?
Peter....You just get better and better.
I fall in the group that likes the amount of bass my Gen3 produces. I'm looking forward to adding a second Gen 3 to fill my open-concept room evenly. 🤞
Aiyoh, I am so flattered. Thank you!
This is one of the best product reviews I've ever seen. Thank you!
Thank you Jim!
You reassured me and I'm going to get one. They're on sale at the moment here in the U.S.
Thank you Peter! I am already convinced! I have the Arc and was worried they would not go well together but this has reassured me! I am the 50/50 category :D Thanks again!
Go for it! The recording was done with an arc! Yes UA-cam compresses it and so many recording factors that will deteriorate the sound but you get a good idea of how it sounds relative to each other. And also, the spectrum analyser should give you a good visual indication!
Bought it after watching your video. Solid buy, yes. Absolutely. Living room of 20x20ft, paired to a Beam2, there's more than ample bass to go around and my equalizer is only set to+3. Mini? What mini? The bass "boom" is felt at all rooms in the house... and also by my neighbours. I have to turn on night mode after 11pm.
I have never said this before for any UA-cam producer. I am putting you in my 2022 budget
Dear Peter, thanks for all your reviews. Perhaps I should watch this video a few more times, because there is a lot of information you have analyzed and presented here. Basically I prefer to listen to music.
I have a fairly expensive ProAc Response based Hi-Fi stereo system, but I don't listen to it all the time because I have to sit down, select music, turn everything on (and put your phone away) and then enjoy. It takes time and mood, which I don't always have.
That's why I listen to Sonos all day and night.
Let me describe my Sonos configuration. I have an Arc + 2 Sonos One for the movie in the sittng room. And 2 Fives + Sub Gen 3 for music in another room. I use 2 Fives with Sub Gen 3 and I'm happy with the everyday music and almost happy with the bass, it is deep, powerfool but it's not very dynamic. I also feel that Arc lacks bass a bit when I watch movies. What should I do? Buy Sub Mini and connect with Arc? Or connect Arc with Gen 3, and Fives with Sub Mini?
My head is exploding with options.
Thank you in advance for your opinion.
im in the same boat as you man. This sub mini looks nice and i also have an arc + 2 SL one speakers
maybe maybe. What are your preferences and considerations? I plan to try a closed subwoofer design. I think this bass should be more precise, but less powerful. It will be easier for the neighbors))
@@vladislavgaitukaev3919 my living room is 18ft 11 width ( ) and 13ft 6 length. I love blasting music and watching movies but sadly i live in an apartment building so i can not always be blasting music as my neighbors are sensitive to noise 🙄. i wish i lived next to neighbors that are just as noisy as me.
@@kevinortiz28 Wish you to have your own big house and two Sub Gen3 for movies and 5 Sub Mini +Sonos Five in each room 🤑
@@vladislavgaitukaev3919 yea one day i will own my house and make the best sound system with sound proof walls. But sadly i live in NYC where the houses that are aforable which is around $700,000 suck and aren’t so big. i want to move to a different state and get a bigger house for less.
Never seen your videos in my feed before, but in looking for more in-depth reviews for the sub mini your video cames up and I'm really glad I oped it!! Great stuff.
Thank you for your compliment!
Man I love your videos. As a novice you just taught me that getting a sub (potential this sub) will actually improve the sound coming out of my other sonos speakers.
Great! Happy to have shared something useful!
If you look at the video I am launching later, you will notice how much of an improvement adding a sub can bring to the other speakers!
Wow super excited for future videos!! I have a Beam Gen 1 and really want this sub so I can't wait to see how that would sound!
I plan to make that video next!
This is really helpful. I have a playbar at the moment but a speaker has blown so I’ve purchased the arc. Unfortunately I’m wait to get into a new property so can’t set it up yet but the fact that you have done this comparison has definitely made me sway more to the sub mini. Really helpful thanks
Great review. As an owner of a Sub Gen 2, I must say I am tempted to downgrade to Mini. But, there are two reasons not to. Firstly, I would be able to sell my Sub Gen 2 for less than 350 dollars and would have to add money to buy somewhat a less powerfull Sub. Second, and I think others will agree, Sonos soundbars are not really for music. I use my Sonos in ratio 80% to 20% in favour of movies, TV and TV shows. All of my music is done by surrounds (play 3's) which with Sub gen 2 sound really good. So, switching to Mini would mean less powerfull home theater and slightly better balanced music. I think I should save my money for the switch from Playbar to Arc. But Mini does looks really cool.
I second your line of thoughts. Good analysis. The sub mini will not be as powerful as the sub gen 2.
Sorry to hijack your comment but just wanted to ask.. you said for music play back is just done by your surrounds, is that the surrounds that are part of your soundbar/sub/surround setup? And if so, can you help me understand how I could do that? Thanks!
@@PeterPee I would only be happy If I could somewhat replace the Playbar and Sub Gen2 with Beam Gen2 and Sub Mini bet in a way I am left over with funds to buy a single Five or a pair of One's. But, i doubt I could get it.
@@benward8302 I'll be glad to. All my Sonos (Playbar, Sub Gen 2 and a pair of Play 3's) are in the same group called Family room, so only one source can be played at a a time. The surrounds are directly behind my seating area, 2,5 metres apart and the Sub is in between them. I basically like background music while playing with the kids but every one in a while I do want some critical listening. I simply go into my Sonos app settings/System/Family Room/Surround Audio. I'll check if my Music Playback is Full and I drag the Music level slider to +15. That really 'mutes' the Playbar and I get stereo Play 3's with the Sub. My only gripe is I have to turn around to face stereo setup properly.
@@nevenmiskulin Absolute legend mate, thanks for confirming!
You do the best reviews! Just ordered my Sub Mini based on your positive feedback. You are awesome!!!
Hope you enjoy it! I have been really enjoying mine!
Your videos are very helpful. The most helpful I can find on YT considering Sonos, thanks a lot
Remains to fix the possibility to pile the subs Mini to achieve a total experience ! Thanks for this wonderfull project and study.
Yeah. You can hack it today even if it’s not supported natively. But let me play around with they first.
I have a pair of Ones and I'm thinking to buy the mini for listening to music.
Thank you for your excellent video.
I have been listening to that combo! Although with the play:1s. Sonically quite similar though.
And I love it. For music.
Thank you for your response, greetings from Greece!
Can't wait to listen to it, already pre-ordered.
Already pre-ordered! Can’t wait. I read on another article that said it’s better for movies than music which is good news to me but contradictory to other things I’ve heard about sealed subs.
Nice! I think better or not it’s subjective too. In general sealed subs are better for music. I have also been trying it out in a Sonos play:1 stereo setup and amp paired with Yamaha ceiling speakers and amp paired with NAD 8020 speakers for music. Your experience may vary from mine.
Excellent review love your reviews .Well informed and actually learned more about sub woofers than I expected.
Glad I could help!
My finding is leading me to keep the Sub though I have it in a rather small room for music listening. I have a small room of 11' x 13' with a 8' ceiling. I normally run a Sub. Tested the Sub Mini by switching back and forth about 7 times. I also swaped positions to make sure that all the room notes etc are identical. I WANTED to hear more resolution from the Mini due to its sealed design. Also, both are rated to 25hz and I figured that for a room as small as mine, I would get the same visceral impact as the larger sub. I would love to get that bit of floor space back. HOWEVER, I did not find that at all. Everyime I thought that the Mini had better resolution, I'll switch the Sub back and heard the same resolution. The KEY difference though is that the Sub simply had a lot more impact. Thicker, deeper, more present. A lot more visceral. It was a lot more enjoyable. This is unfortunate. So the Sub Mini is going back to Sonos. Added note: I went on youtube and ran some 'subwoofer tests' - and the difference is even clearer with these exaggerated tests. The Mini clearly add significant bass, but nothing like the Sub even in a small room.
Hey thanks for sharing that. I agree with you. At the same settings, in a side by side A-B comparison testing, the larger sub is always going to perform better. There is no fighting the physics of it. You will get the sub mini to perform at the same levels if you push a +5 to +8 to match it. But if you need to push it to a +8, you really need the sub gen 3 either because of your room size or your preference.
@@PeterPee Actually, I bumped up the MINI to maximum in the sub setting, and the regular Sub to about 15% up on that scale. I think the SUB actually reaches down lower - or has a lot more quantity on the lowest registers. But my greatest surprise is that I did not hear a lot more resolution with that sealed Mini as I expected. This is all for music listening. I just watched an hour of film yesterday with deep bass and it just is not the same - even in my small bedroom sized area. For me, I'll call it 'polite' - you know the sub is there, but politely behaving so as not to be overly intrusive. THe regular sub however, can be quite intrusive if you set it 50% higher than the middle setting. And sometimes with a sub and movies, you just want that intrusiveness to FEEL the rumble.
You have the BEST reviews!! Everyone should watch you!
Thanks Jeff!
Hey Peter, your video was really helpful. Because of it I bought the sub mini along with my arc. And so far I am quite satisfied with the sound. 💥💥💥
Great to hear!
Just found your review on release day having never heard of this new Sub! This is what I was waiting for and I have one here now. It’s perfect for my setup with a Beam and 2 One SLs
Excellent video, thanks!
Subscribed 👍🏼
Thanks for being here! I’m sure you’re enjoying it a ton! I have been relistening to so much of my music and rewatching movies.
this really impressive work. well done and thank you
I appreciate the BASS, and your sense of humor. Subbed.
Looking forward to receiving mine! Thanks for the review!
You’re welcome and I’m excited for you! 1 more week!
I really appreciated this review of yours. I Bought Sub Gen 3 2 years ago and returned it a week later because it simply outputs too much bass for my liking. Your recommendation makes a lot sense to me to go for the Sub mini. I'll visit Best Buy and get one for my home theatre today.
Oh yes, if the Sub Gen 3 is too much for your room setup then the Sub mini comes in perfectly.
@@PeterPee got it already, works perfectly for me😁
Good Video as always, thanks Peter.
Demonstrates the law of diminishing returns brilliantly!
Glad you enjoyed it! I wonder if they already had the Sub mini planned 2 years ago when they released the sub gen 3. They probably decided to launch the Gen 3 first else no one wants to get the bigger sub. :)
My bass needs to be tight! Awesome review, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Best of your videos to date. Lots of info and I was undecided about getting a sub. Thought about sub gen 3 but it may be to much for how I’m set up. So I waited for the mini but didn’t want a lackluster sub. I have now decided based on your video to buy the Mini. I believe it will be perfect for my system. Thank you
Fantastic! I am glad that I was able to help!
Thank you for sharing your professional expertise.
Hardly la. You speak highly of me and I am humbled. I only share what I feel and experience. I thank you for your faith in me!
Great review - very detailed. I’ve pre ordered for my Arc.
Thanks! Hope you enjoy it! Actually I know you will.
Thnx for putting the graphs side by side for I for one hate going back and forth between the two.
Excellent review 👌🏼
Very informative
Is it just a sub is it like an all in one solution?
Wifi only? No BT? If so which version. Th Mx again :D
This is just for the sub. For Sonos you will need either a soundbar or speaker (except the portable ones)
Thanks for the help. I have arc already. So finger crossed. Let’s preorder
Fingers crossed! You won't be disappointed!
Peter!! I was so waiting for this video. You just nailed it. I always gets amazed the way you answer all the questions come to my mind.
Ok so I am the user with 2 Play ones as surround and Sonos ARC and was waiting for you to give verdict on sub mini. I am all hands down going for sub mini. Thanks for your recommendation+the RGY response chart and finally my 50-50 usage of music+movies. Truly appreciate your time however needless to say I will surely wait for youe Arc+sub mini combination video. Have a great day!!
I probably covered the important Arc + Sub content in this video but I will want to do one with the trueplay sorted and the surrounds added. I am waiting to get enough funds to buy the stuff now that Sonos has taken back the review units. :)
I got the Sub mini to add to my Beam Gen 1 and two Symfonisk bookshelf surround speakers to LG OLED 55C9 in master bedroom. I already had a Gen 3 sub+Gen 1 Beam+2 One SLs in my office and liked the improvement the sub added to the sound quality and extra bass. I just couldn't get the sub mini to stay connected to my system for more than a few minutes. I've tried multiple times troubleshooting in the app, wired/wifi connections, running app diagnostics, and calling Sonos tech support for help. It would work for a little bit and then show "not connected" in the app a few minutes later. Ended up sending the sub mini back after a few days of getting nowhere with it. First time having an issue connecting any Sonos product I have (two Beam Gen 1, One Arc, three Gen 3 Subs, four Symfonisk bookshelf, two Fives, two One SL, two Roams).
Hmmm.. that's strange. I have two sub minis and both are stable with their connection.
@@PeterPee I figured it out. I thought it was an issue with the sub mini; but, I had the same issue when I replaced with a Gen 3 sub. Did the old Google search on Sonos connection issues and it was the Sonos sub being too close to my wireless router causing the issue. Not sure why the Beam Gen 1 can sit 12 inches away wireless from the router without issues; but, the Sonos sub being 2-3 feet away from the Beam would disconnect? Moved the sub 16 feet away near the rear of the room and it has stayed connected.
Sub Gen 4 coming and it’s gunna be a BANGER.
I think, it also depends on the genre of music you listen to. Ported and seald can both sound great for music, but for genres like hiphop, esp modern hip-hop, some pop and some EDM. Ported can really shine. Lots of lower frequencies, below 30hz and can sound great. But, it's all preference and taste as you mentioned.
Peter Pee, thank you for your video it is very informative and has reasured me about my pre-order of the Sub Mini. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jon! You'll love it!
Please help!!! Would you pair the sub mini with 2 sonos fives???? Thank you and hi from Mexico. Awesome work!!!
Got a sub mini with a gen2 beam, ones at rear, eq base setting 4 and treble 5, sub output plus 6 and it sounds awesome I love it, great video peter your the man
Thanks Robert!
I just bought a Sonos Beam Gen 2. I’m happy with the performance but definitely would like more bass. So happy this was released. Went on ahead and preordered. I’ll add the Sonos One SL’s by Christmas. Should be a decent setup for a smaller living room.
I think you just opted for the best value Sonos setup available at the moment.
Same set up for me .i started with the beam2 ,later a pair of One sl ,and i m going now to buy this mini sub .( That looks not so mini 😁.)
@@46ASM I just bought the One’s this past week. So I have the full setup now. It’s great. The sub mini isn’t earth shaking but it’s enough to give movies and music more punch. If/when I move to our next house I plan to keep this set for the living room. And then have a main movie room with the arc and regular sub.
Great review man. That’s my only concern I’m living in a 12 unit apartment complex. Currently have a sonos arc.
Assuming you are living in the middle, you are at most pissing 4 others off. :D
Big thank you, Peter. Nice review and it was comprehensive!!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video Peter! Always a great and detailed review! Thank you for sharing! What do you think if you use the sub mini in a large room? 40m2 with high ceilings?
That's a pretty big space... I am going to recommend you go for the Sub gen 3. Or Sub Gen 2. I am imagining a space of 5m x 8m with 3+M ceiling height... It's too much air for the Sub Mini to pressurise.
Preorder in and ready for the arrival next weekend. Should be a fun weekend crank up the movies and tunes. 👍👍
I had sleepless nights since....
Great video brother. Thank you for this!!!!!
My pleasure!
Fantastic video!
Thank you for the incredible detail.
Hey Peter! One year late to your review, but I wanted to suggest you start including F3 and F6 numbers for subs. Since you have done the measurements already.
Ese subwoofer sería la pareja ideal para mi Sonos Five.
¡Estoy de acuerdo!
i have a sonos arc. should i pair it with the sub mini or the sub gen 3? im wondering if itll make a huge difference or not
I felt like I kept the volume on most old Sonos products very low. Especially the rear speakers. Even Ikea bookshelf as rear speakers are probably overkill for me as I can’t have my couch far away from the wall. Sonos was over kill for me so I’m glad they have added smaller, cheaper units.
I’ll move in to an apartment again soon. I am worried about neighbours as I stay up quite late. I hope the beam 2 + Sub mini + 2 ikea bookshelf will sound good.
The Sony HT-A9 would just look so much better though.
I have to agree on the HT-A9... Looks are killer. If you are considering the beam gen 2 + sub mini with surrounds, I think that is the killer combination from Sonos right now.
@@PeterPee Did I understand correctly that we don't have to worry for our neighbours with Sonos Sub Mini (living in a flat as well) ?
Thanks for the great review by the way !
Sorry, I read the other comments meanwhile ;)
Awesome video! I can’t wait to get one!
I think you’ll be pleased with yourself for getting it! After all, it’s Christmas. Around there la.
Hi Peter, thanks for the great review, I was awaiting for your review before committing and now I'm convinced, thanks to u! Do you have a coupon code to sweeten the deal? For Singapore usage.
Yes I do! I will be releasing it in the live stream on Sunday 10am! Wait for that! It's not a large amount but probably the best I can negotiate for you guys.
It's decided, thank you for the review! The thing you said about there might be too much bass in the Gen3 convinced me I should buy the Mini. My neighbours wouldn't like that and I'm more into music than movies
Cool! Glad that I was able to help you reach a decision!
Great review peter... currently have a dedicated room with arc,sl's and dual subs. Have been considering putting a simple 2ch setup together. It's nice to have a sealed option now. Iam assuming i will prefer its accuracy and roll off characteristics over the G3 for dedicated music applications. Looking forward to getting my hands on one.
I love the sub mini for that exact reason. I have been listening to the sub mini a lot for music paired with the Play:1s and Amp!
The only negative thing i can say about this sub, is that the frequency range is super gated. Theres no room for adjustment in the app, so if you find yourself listening to a song where a bass guitar balance on that gated frequency line, the sub kicks in and out on that bassline. Id love to be able to rise the frequency just a little and soften the "gate" slightly.
Always top notch content!!! I'd love to know if you'd think it's better to add the Sub Mini or two One SLs to the Arc. I'm leaning towards the mini in hopes the ones get upgraded this year. Thoughts???
Still the best reviews on UA-cam…
Thanks!
Great Video
I'm just waiting for your test of the Mini paired with 2 x Five's. For playing only music.That will be the main reason to purchase the Mini for me!
I don't think it will add a lot though.
This is a superb review. I am super impressed. Great job!
Thanks Sabrina!
Here playback with sub gen3. Got the mini first but now way could fill the room
Now I understand why SONOS did not install the possibility of pairing 2 sub-mini, because buying 2 would give you better sound than the One Sub2 or Sub3, for music and movies.
Thanks for video, Peter.
Good point!
Same reason why they don’t make an AMP with a centre channel and rear surrounds. Nobody would buy their ARC home theatre package, when you could get superior aftermarket speakers for the price.
As always, an amazing Video Peter! Keep Up the Good Work. I was wondering about the correct orientation of Sub-Mini and the slot. It is Advertised (At Least Most Photos) with the slot facing toward to the listener, but the connect button on all sonos are at the back. Does this means that the slots are facing sideways and not at front? Did you manage to play around with different directions and if so, does it have different impact to acoustics?
There is definitely a difference. I am trying to get enough time to make a video on that. Please be patient. For now, just use what you feel sounds ok to you. In most product shots, they have to show the slot. If not it looks really bland and plain. The sub mini is almost featureless on most sides.
Excellent video , I have absolutely no qualms about paring it with my arc and two ones now. Thank you peter
Cool! Before you get your hands on it, you can listen to the demo tracks at the end of the video a few more times! :)
Peter Pee ! master of knowledge ,Great review Sir.
Thanks for the praise!
Thanks Peter! Would really like to see/hear the Beam 2 and Beam 2 + Sub Mini frequency curves.
Same request for me 😉 thanks Peter !
Coming next!
For the record, Peter delivered! Thanks Peter!
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I have a Beam (gen 1) and two One speakers. Last year I found a gen2 Sub open box from Best Buy for $300. It definitely upped both the home theatre and music experience a lot. The sub mini seems like a great option now - there was no way I was going to pay full price for a Gen 3 sub.
But the Sub gen 2 is actually going to have more bass than the Sub mini ya.
@@PeterPee True, but at the time there was no sub mini. So I had to keep an eye out for a used or discounted sub gen2 because I couldn't justify a new gen 3. If available at the time, I would have bought a new Sub mini.
Wow, absolute score on that sub for 300$ i picked up a g2 new old stock lil while back for 425$ and i though that was a score!!!!
@@kjw7228 it didn't even come in a Sonos box. Just a plain cardboard box. But I didn't mind!
For your Beam is the Best Way to used your SUB II ☝️ Sub Mini is much lower in Sound like Sub II 🤷♀️
Great review Peter, i've been waiting for a more affordable and compact sub option from Sonos. Looks like the wait is over. I am curious if you have the dimensions to the box? Am planning to get it during my visit to Australia soon and hand carry it back.
Box dimensions as follow
Height 44cm. Base is 31cm x 31cm.
Keep up the good work mate!
Really good video as always from you 🎉
Thanks bro!
Hi, great review. At what volume level are you testing frequency response with Arc? I wonder if it falls of with higher volume - my guess would be around 60%.
YOU ARE SPOT ON! How the heck did you guess that?! I was testing at 60.
This guy is Superfantastic.
Great review thanks. I have what may seem like a silly question but here goes………I intend to buy the sub mini soon, but unfortunately my layout means that my tv is in the corner of a square room, so my sub will be in one of those corners also. Would you face the open slot so that as you look through it you can see the corner, or would you have the slot so that each side faces a wall? I am thinking that this could make a big difference to the sound, and just wondered what your thoughts were? (If this makes sense lol).
@Peter...
For me and many more you are the lighthouse that guides us to a good port...
For this reason and thinking of all users focused on music I want to ask you for a specific analysis of the SONOS One + sub mini versus 2 five stereo pair.
How close are they?
At the moment I use my One without trueplay, since I feel that when activating the trueplay all the music loses a lot of presence and body ... Trueplay flattens them.
I have been using the Play:1s with sub mini for a few days. I really love that sound. I think the Ones with Sub is a very close contender for the best stereo music setup against a pair of Fives. I have to test them and measure them though.
does adding a sub to the Sonos ARC noticeably improve the mids and highs on the ARC by allowing them to work less and cleaner????
I've seen the Sub Mini advertised as the best companion to the Beam, this might be true but IMHO the Mini will shine when paired with 2 Ones.
Yep, I have people prioritising surrounds, and some prioritising subs.
great video. very detailed and great quality in content.
Much appreciated and thanks for showing it!
Can’t wait for all your in depth videos..
I have so many planned up I think I need to take unpaid leave to do it all.
@@PeterPee ^__^= but it will be worth it.. your very passionate and no one goes to town like you do.. hence why your on Sonos radar 😊 and well deserved too.