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Masturbation Myths | How much is too much? | Urologist explains the truth about masturbation
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2024
- Dr. Eric dives into the topic of masturbation, dispelling common myths and sharing valuable insights. He highlights that masturbation is not limited to men and explores its many benefits, including mood improvement, stress reduction, and the release of positive hormones. Dr. Eric also addresses misconceptions such as its impact on relationships and erectile function. He emphasizes that masturbation is a normal part of sexual development, safe, and can help individuals better understand their bodies and desires. The video concludes by presenting the truth about masturbation as a healthy and pleasurable experience with no associated health risks and even potential benefits.
Dr. Eric Tygenhof is a board-certified expert urologist specializing in general urology, with a particular emphasis in stone disease and robotic surgery. He practices in Fullerton, California as a partner at Southland Urology. He is also a Fellow of the American College of Surgeons.
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I’m not married anymore, so masturbation (in my opinion) is a physical necessity. I treat it the same as brushing my teeth and other bodily necessities.
I brush my teeth twice a day, so you know what else I do.
If brushing and flossing were as pleasurable as masturbation, no one would ever get a cavity 😊
Anyone that mentions addiction then denies it is probably addicted.
No one has ever been told their addicted to brushing their teeth.
Nor have they been told they brush too much.
Correct... it's human need... like eating...sleeping...cuddle...etc
I'm almost 70 and single. It's what I use in place of a sleeping pill. Still seems to do the job!
Talk about being desperate.
@@michaelcaza6766Talk about being a dumbass.
I wouldn't call it desperate, just enjoy a good nights sleep. @@michaelcaza6766
Take a hike!!! @@michaelcaza6766
@@michaelcaza6766🤡😂🤣🤡
Thanks doc. I never listened to the nonsense chatter about the myths. I'm 60 and very active and not ashamed at all.
Same.
@@ddsforever168 here.
Loves
Same here buddy! 63 and going real strong! Been 2x’s a day long as I can remember. More on weekends. No shame here at all!
@@SuperGman314 salutes
It’s your body. Use it how you please. 😊 I mean, I wouldn’t feel embarrassed. It’s yours. The one thing that will always be yours.
at least until the red states classify sperm as babies and outlaw ejaculation.
5th 1:50
👍....80 and still going strong.
thanks to garlic and ginger and viagra... jk great job
Hell yeah dude!
Bravo.
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Oh yeah brother! Keep it up n flowin! 👍🏻
I'm proud to say that I'm 70 years old and I did it 4 times yesterday
Congratulations!!!!
Hell yeah man!
Prove it🤓
This is what happens in old age.. one forgets the difference between 4 days and 4 years 😂
@@Boxerr007 bahahahaha good one.
It's my earliest childhood memory. Younger brother and I shared a bed. Every night he told me to stop shaking the bed. Now, at 80+. with an uninterested spouse, I'm still going strong.
At what age you start doing it sir??
If your spouse isn't interested then.... 🚪😏🛏️
LOL
same but I was the younger brother and told my brother to stop shaking the bed
Go man go! 63 here same situation- keep it strong brother!
I’m 59 and I still do it everyday. Helps me sleep and keeps me relaxed and away from stress.
me too✌️
@@ATM9490 ayaw mong ibang kamay ang jaks SA deks mo
Behave there are kids here 😂😂😂 i am 2 years old
Good professional advice, I always remember Woody Allens one liner in one of his movies when asked about this topic - 'At least I am doing it with someone I love'
It was a great surprise 1st time I did it when I was 13 and now almost 68 and it does help calm you and with depression.
How much time you do in a day ?
Ditto! Your first masturbation orgasm is a great experience---makes you all the happier that you have a penis! It's truly a great thing to have.
Thanks for giving us a HAND on these once HARD to believe myths.
You sure summarized that in a few simple words! Great job!
I'm surprised by the way that comment SHOOTED right out of you.
@@02chevyguy I edged for a while about commenting but I waited long enough!
😊
This video made me use my head!
Life's way too short do whatever makes you feel good we're only around for a short limited time enjoy life 🙏
Absofuckinglutely! 😁👍
Far as I'm concerned, masturbation is a beautiful gift from God---the power of sexuality is one of the greatest things he gave us. It's not something to shun or be ashamed of.
@@davidl570btw. Why are there teachings about why jerking off is bad. And semen retention is the healthy way to go? Theres spiritual teachings about it. I mean not gonna lie. Being on semen retention for months actually made me feel good and healthy/strong compared to if your releasing often. You can feel the difference.
I'm 75 and I've slowed down recently. I do it only once a day now. There was the time I needed it more. Thank God, that's not the case now. I just don't have the energy as I've lost 90 percent of my lungs. But the one time per day is plenty.
wow very horny
Damn! I'm lucky if I can do it twice a week.
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Damn, sorry about the lungs situation! Keep hanging in there---and once a day at 75 is pretty impressive!
14yo guy here and i was worried if i’m doing it too much or too often. thank you soo muchh
At your age. It is normal to do this 3 times daily. I am 21 now still doing it in a daily basis . 2 or 3 times a day.
@@rk7750 @nze69 don't listen to him. it is not normal to do 3x a day, this is what the people in power want, it will decrease testosterone and make you feel horrible. give it a 2 week retention, promise it will be worth it.
@@rk7750 so my comment was deleted huh? interesting
all i said was don't listen to this person. remember p*rn is a weapon. increase testosterone and stop fapping
As long as there is no pain. You'll know when there is dull throbbing from within & sometimes even blood mixed with semen but none when you pee. If this happens should try stopping for a few days, then maybe try once or twice a week.
Visit a doctor if there is still blood past a week or 2.
Can't remember the last day I didn't do it at least once. You gotta release that stuff man. Doing something that feels that good is a gift.
Not many things left in life that bring pleasure & are free¡
It clears the sludge out of the prostate which helps prevent prostate cancer! Once a day is best! Scientifically proven!
Yep, (for those who believe in God like me), I think it's one of the best gifts he gave us! He knew what he was doing when he created the male body and gave us the gift of sexuality and orgasm. The penis and scrotum are beautiful works of art and shouldn't be shunned or considered gross or cringy, far as I'm concerned.
@@davidl570 totally agree!!!!
I wish I had known that it could prevent prostate cancer as I would’ve done it much more frequently. Bottom line, I got it, had radiation and my orgasms were destroyed. Makes me feel like my manhood was taken from me. But I guess I shouldn’t complain as I am alive.
Really? What does the radiation do to stop you reaching a climax? That's awful
I’m so sorry to hear!
Do you still feel pleasure? That’s what is really important! 🥲
When I was 10 or 11, I was camping in a camper with my Dad and older Brother. I was in my own bunk bed - going to town on my new found mission and my Dad yelled across the dark camper - "What are you doing over there?!?! I wasn't embarrassed, I was just a kid, I didn't think it was wrong, I just knew it felt good. But I stopped and only did it when I was alone after that. I'm sure he knew what I was doing. Maybe knew. HOWEVER - it was NEVER mentioned again. Thank GOD!
I guess you didn't have the horrifying experience of having mom or dad walk in in you. That never happened to me, but a few of my friends did.
@@infledermaus If they did, I'm guessing they just turned away quickly and got out of the room. When I was an adult I asked them - Why didn't you ever tell me about the facts of life? They told me "We always figured you knew more than us."
I did find it funny that the pop up ad before this was about carpal tunnel. Which is caused by overuse of the wrist ?
Make sure you get carpal tunnel on the SAME hand. Otherwise it might be from using computer mouse too much
I find it funny that it ... popped up.
The last item was the most important, I think. Masturbation might lower the risc of prostate cancer.
It is so important that I think it should initiate big research efforts, since since there are so many deaths from it.
Thank you so much for all that information. Society spreads those false myths and sometimes could hurt relations, self~steem and promote controversial beliefs
Doing it every day keeps your libido intense even at the age older than 70 y.o.
Thank you so much for your video Dr.Eric. 🌹🌹👍👍💕💕💕💕
Thanks for all the good advice and debunking the myths.
I give this video "2 palms up"!
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😂😂😜
Haha, can't stop laughing
Where are you from brother
Insane that the blindness thing even needs to be addressed in 2024. 😂
Who tf said masturbading makes you blind?????
Hmmm yeah but look at his glasses???
@@Pick3Lotto 🤣🤣🤣⚰
What? I temporarily blinded my right eye from it. Shot myself in the eye! Damn that hurt!
@@infledermaus *resists urge to vomit*
They say doing it too often interferes with your ability to finish sentences but
damn you’re ri
Cra
I thenk it demages your speling to.
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Lol
50 and still do. Best decision, less problems, less drama.
I should hope so. 50 is no age!!!
Agree brother! Can do it whenever I need to without all the drama and hassle! Early 60’s here. Still going real strong! Keep up the good work!
I agree, women are to much of headache but someone who still has a strong sex drive I need to release frequent loads during the week
@@gregXxo Totally agree. We men have to release - it’s part of bein a man - plus it feels awesome!
@@SuperGman314 and guys who say dont do it all act like a-holes because THEY'RE NOT getting off regularly
Such a handsome man talking so intelligently about these topics just does it for me. Love your videos
Did it get you into 🤌🏽🍌💦💯😋
I bet you're fun at jails...
Who came here just for the comments? 😅😅
I definitely came
I did its interesting to see what all wankers have out here cheers
Tbh I was hoping there'd be some b-roll footage 😅
@@koenigkorczak🤣🤣
What you should know is that all these comments are for masturbators because if they are not they wouldn't be in this comment section and you are also a masturbator😂😂
Logical practical information. Masturbation has been an avid hobby of mine since I was about 9 or 10. I turned out alright. Thanks for the affirmation,, doctor. :-)
What's your age now?
@@Boxerr007 I'm as old as Yoda, and equally as robust. ;-)
@@johnclement9370so you're getting to fade away in your sleep
Get a girlfriend 😂😂
Never too much Keep on wackin’
It kills your braincells by the look of it.
It's great with another male friend
Nothing like a jack off buddy.😎👍
@@chrismcpherson1586 do you desire man too?
@@user-vj6hb5ls7x Do it til you get callouses even with a greazy palm
I'm 97 y.o. doing it 3x a week. Makes me strong and happy. Just do it. It's your body and no one has the right to tell you what is good or bad.
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Yaa true I m 100 year old
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❤❤, let me see you...pls..
Somebody lying 😂
I'm 47 and single. I do it at least 3 times a week.
Where you live I'm here nuevo Mexico USA nice to meet you 🌈🥰
@@user-sz2jn8gn2b Philippines
@@user-sz2jn8gn2b Philippines
Finally a doctor that's not FOS on this subject.
Just like coffee, it calms you down, and picks you up!
Picks what up?
@@ilhamrj2599 ...your mood...
@@ilhamrj2599...your mood...
Coffee increases Blood pressure 😂
@@Boxerr007 ...all the better, then, that masturbation is caffeine-free..!
It’s like One A Day vitamin for some.
More research needed regarding its effects on slowing down the aging process.
Once everyday maybe too much activity although in my late teen years at least 4 times a day was satisfying. Then I discovered the body needed replenishment until once a week became the norm. It feels nice having a few days load.
It sure does, it releases so much stress and it's healthy too .👍😎
Too much is when you are finally satisfied, happy and exhausted.
I remembered a myth you didn’t cover: When I was hanging out with a bunch of guys in my high school, one of us stated that masturbation causes tiny hairs to grow on the palms of your hands. He laughed and pointed his finger at all the guys who turned their palms over to inspect and see if this was true!
Now I know why I needed glasses after 12y.o.,ha
What a craziness...and nonsense! 🤦
Surprised he didn't cover that myth in this video, considering that he mentioned the stupid "blind" myth! (Can't believe he even had to mention that........................LORD!).
Only a 5 second mention on the beneficial effects it has on delaying the development of prostate cancer???
Please elaborate more on this.
I always feel horribly guilty and depressed after. I dont feel right for a day or two. I'm weird. I can go months, to the point of wet dreams.
That’s because of toxic, untrue religious and cultural socialization. Masturbation is normal, healthy, and a beautiful part of life. Embrace it and forget the lies.
Masturbation is a good thing...period! When I was a boy, I LOVED TO MASTURBATE!!...and I still do today...and I'm a happy 78 year old! "Jacking Off" is a good thing...bottom line!
@@hturt4 Yep, I'm Catholic and a good priest friend even told me that it's one of God's greatest gifts. He was right.
@@davidl570😂
Im 65 and have been doing it since 11yrs old at least 5 times a week.
Since 7 here. 70 now and hoping I can do it on my death bed. Still doing it a few times a week.
5 times a week is awesome at 65! Glad your libido is still going strong.
I’m right there age & quantity wise with yuh& am a much nicer person 4 it so BFD whomever judges this
5 times a week.that a LIE dont you go to eork every morning
@@augustinetwumasi5031 I don't lie cupcake and I just got don doing it
I don't know if you post answers or comments to those who post comments. I'm almost 75 and I live alone. For me masturbation is a welcome way of release. I make it something very enjoyable and my "happy ending" is beyond belief. I also use Testosterone gel 1.62, 2 pumps after I shower each day. I often will skip a day or so but generally at least 3 times a week. I enjoy your videos. On occasion I have the good fortune to have a playmate and I always have a great time. I generally do something about 3 or 4 times weekly.
I’m going blind and growing a pelt of hair on the palm of my right hand. Should I lay off on my daily quickies?
Yeah, I think you’ve been overdoing it 😂😂😂
Sounds like you are doing it correctly.
Jus have fun, do what you want..
But i got the humour ....😊
Nah . . . just get some glasses and change hands
I touch myself, I have been touching to others, perhaps not the same strokes of life.
At 64 once in the morning and once at night daily. I highly recommend it!
While it is not dangerous on a physical level, masturbation is still best enjoyed responsibly keeping the natural side effects in mind - for example, for me it causes a phase of relaxation and sleepiness afterwards, so it can be detrimental when I need to be alert and active afterwards. There is also an element of mental hygene - e.g. the images and imaginations one nutures during masturbation can freely drift in all kinds of directions when they are discoupled from a partner like that, this can ultimately lead to a kind of social dysfunction if not minded out and kept in check. But you can also actively shape your life using masturbation fantasies as a technique. You should try it sometime.
Re: Myth # 5 - In my late 20’s I was diagnosed with OCD. I was also sent to a therapist who was very sex negative. As someone who identified male at the time and was, well, in my late 20’s, I easily masturbated 5x a week. Not long sessions, just 7-15 minutes, then get on with my day. But my therapist insisted doing it more than monthly was a sign of sex addiction especially in someone with OCD and insisted I go to 12 step program for that. It really messed me up around sex and intimacy for a long time. There are some really sick therapists out there.
As Dryden said of corrupt priests, "The corruption of the best is the worst". I agree that there are more bad therapists than good ones; however, a good one is worth his/her weight in gold! x
@@tangogent I am lucky to have an excellent therapist now. 🙏
I started tugging when I was 12 years old and had my first erection. Here it is 35 years later and I'm enjoying it more than ever. Looking at p*** helps too get to the finish line a little quicker.
Sounds like a quack to me.
Yay! Thanks for sharing this topic on masturbation! 👍👍✌✌😸😸😛😛With me, I look at the positive side of masturbation is always HEALTHY as long as it doesn't get in the way of my life like you mentioned. Kudos to you, Dr. Eric! 😛😛😸😸👍👍✌✌🌈🌈
Thank you im 20 and living stress free life due to this.
Best day of my adolescence was when my big brother showed me how to do it.
And he got carried away and took it in his mouth 👄?
My brother showed me too. Well, he didn’t _show me,_ more like I caught him doing it a few times. I’m a quick learner!
He showed you? On himself or you? lol!
Lol im curious now too. How were you...shown?
@@nathanbernabei Brotherly love. Lol
Hey Doc, Howcome we can't see your hands in the clip?
Because he is stroking his buddy lol
I am single and I do it 2-3 times a week and to be honest it helps me a lot. Otherwise, I cannot sleep, something does not allow me to sleep until I let it out. It must go out, then i can sleep well.
Try no fap once in a while
Great that this physician dispels a lot of misinformation or "untruths" about a natural & healthy function for both men & women.
I a long term arraign masturbation is common as a sexual relief when no partner sex is allowed -shit happens when one partners sex drive doesn’t match the other ---online porn is the refuge for the partner with a higher sex drive -no shame in that !
Why are you with a partner that doesn’t match your sex drive?
Some people don't like a lot of sex , that happens too.👍😎
Exactly right! Porn is wonderful too!
Twice a day seems perfect. I have been on the road for 10 years, so it's something i do often. 43 and never no issues. Both morning and night, i have good loads. Morning being more volume and power. Nights are good, but nothing like mornings. Dont plan on changing habit 😊
Hey buddy same here- 63 and a am/pm guy. Been doin it for as long as I can remember. Sometimes more if that urge hits. Keep going strong man!
Never get the opportunity when urge gits. Always at a crazy shipper / receiver. Places are a dam nightmare
@@steveobeav8376 I get u man. U need to find a private place just for you. Good luck buddy 👍🏻
sounds about right to me. especially when you eat a lot of celery and pineapple and drink lots of water they'll be even better . . . Oh . . . and no smoking
I never heard of pineapple & celery. I just stick with water & magnesium & zinc Seems to produce a good mess 2× a day
I am diabetic and have ED and this is something I sorely miss,and I am 73,soon to be 74
Don't worry,I shall help to overcome ed. Pls le5 me see you dear...loves...
@@matthai67 hi!
Great video Doctor! I have a question about using Tamsulosin - after stopping using it I experience retrograde issues - will it ever get back to normal?
Short answer is Yes,it gets better. It’s been 5 months since you posted this. How’s it going for you?
Thanks for asking Doctor. Nothing has changed in my condition. I have just had to learn to live with it. I had hoped it would work itself out and return to normal function.
I’m not the doctor. Just a guy who went through the same thing you described. I stopped taking Tamsulosin after about a year. And it’s taken another year to get back to normal. I take pumpkin seed supplements to help prostate health.
If it causes you to go blind, can I keep doing it just till I need glasses
I have a white cane on standby in the corner of my bedroom.
Not going to lie, this video got me in the mood to do it ;)
😂😂😂😂
That’s hot dude.
Same here !
Let’s all do it together ;)
@@iamsuperfritz hehe, I'd love to join 😉
I'm now enlightened. Thanks Doc!
Sadly I still say that it is a very poor substitute for the real thing but when you don’t have a partner, what else can you do?
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I agree on the second part, and I hate these so called motivational NoFap videos saying that we need to completely quit masturbation and that other hobbies will help us forget, except that it doesnt matter what you do, how healthy you are, the urge will still come and thats natural.
@@Dinosaur315 from one dinosaur to another! I completely agree with you!
Good to meet you!
@@Dinosaur315 Whoever thought the NoFap crap up is an idiot. It's actually unhealthy to abstain from it too long!
I've heard it said that even if masturbation did cause blindness, most people would choose to do it a little & wear glasses!
Yeah, like someone once said, your palms would grow hair also, L O L .👍😎
I disagree.
Thank you, Doctor, for an excellent, intelligent and informative video on masturbation. I thoroughly agree with you that masturbation is a healthy act for young boys and men, and women. I wished that you would have made some comments on the myth that masturbation causes acne.
Thank you again for your excellent video on masturbation. I hope that a lot of young people...and their parents!...view it.
I realize this was a serious video, but if I was filming it, I absolutely would have had the guy wear sunglasses when he got to the myth about masturbation causing blindness.
Now can we talk about carpal tunnel syndrome?
Okay, that made me laugh, so...thanks for that!
@@j.b.delaney3444 I had gastric surgery and my drive increased to the point where I say carpal tunnel surgery is next
True story. The pop up ad before I watched this was about carpal tunnel!
tunnel? 😂😂😂
I totally agree but I’d add the aspect of p*rn. Cuz I don’t think the way the act is illustrated is healthy and that it can interfere with real life experiences and even Lower your self esteem
my grade 8 teacher said,99% of people do it......the other one per cent lie.
Good teacher! If you have NEVER done it, you're not human.
Don’t understand why, but it helps me get to sleep when I have insomnia. It’s far more effective (and pleasurable) than a Tylenol PM. 🤷🏻♂️
It's cause it makes you release endorphines which make you relax and feel sleepy
I think a lot of not being able to get hard and stay that way has to do with being with someone you’re not that into. I have a feeling most people are with someone who they aren’t that into
Hey, a person needs what a person needs.:) especially when with someone who isn’t interested in helping!
Has there been any studies that show a link between masturbation and decreased risk of prostate cancer?
I wonder too.
Your hand will never say ‘ not tonyt I have headache’ !!
😂😂😂
Thank you for this video
Do you guys do it everyday? How many times in a day?
Whith you anytime =): have good day 🌈👍
@@user-sz2jn8gn2b😂👍
@@user-sz2jn8gn2b😂lmao gays for days
It's just a sexual release ...it's healthy. The body is yours ...just use it But don't abuse it. Embrace it well with love and care.
I disagree with Myth 5. It's actually quite stupid thing to say that there is no such thing is too much masturbation.
How about 100 times a day?
Like every freaking hour. Is that still normal.
No it's not.
Human beings should have certain amount of impulse control, whether that's hunger or sexual or aggressive impulse.
If you can't control impulses at all, that's also very problematic.
I masturbate sometimes every other day, sometimes once a day, sometimes I skip few days. I try to postpone it.
Delaying gratification is not a bad thing. It actually makes the whole act more fulfilling.
At the same time, I consider nofap to be a waste of will power because you are focusing too much on not doing it. And will power/ conscious energy/ focus is a limited resource that should better be applied to other constructive activities.
What's your opinion about Hematospermia? Is it because of overdoing it?
I use the "quick shot" by fleshlight ,so much better.
Fleshlight edging bestest.
It's really good to watch your videos
I've also heard that there is evidence that frequent ejaculation reduces the risk of prostate cancer. The idea is that it prevents potentially cancer-causing agents to accumulate.
Not sure why this video popped up in my feed, but, hang on I'll be back in 10 minutes
it helps with my chronic back pain as well
Eiii😂
No problem with #3, sometimes 4x a day maybe more, especially if smoking some good herb.
Edibles here.
Weed always got me in the mood quicker than buze🤪
@@bradleyhamman9426 I know that's right. It makes me more mellow.
Been getting my groove on solo since I was 11-no unwanted kids and great de-stresser I’m now 58 no harm done😊🎉😮
What can you say about semen retention with regards to masturbation?
This teaching is killer
I think it was CNN's Jeffery Toobin that did a story on this exact topic.
...well, indirectly! 😮😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
One thing that really suprises me is people doing it 4/5 times a day lol.... If I do it twice in a day I'll feel sick after the 2nd time
Even just once I black out and feel extremely tired now 4 to 3 times people are strong
Absolutely right. Healthy mind and body goes with that pressure. MYTH makes lots of people think IT IS BAD. Healthy Diet , add to your energy.
I would never limit my little friend. He's the one who through tough times kept me going and relatively happy whenever I had a dry spell. He knows when its needed and I happily oblige. He makes me feel happy and my friend likes the way I play with him. And so does my other little friend back there. Her warmth, depth and sensitivity are without equal. They often get together and deliver some of the highest sexual thrills of my lifetime. Why would I deny myself pleasure of that magnitude ?
Thats why religions that suppress sexuality or masturbation is not good,
Im a married 30yr old author and I've got the same libido as when I was a teenager. I have to release at least 9 times a day. It works great 😁
Dude I'm 28 and I maaturbate WAY more now than as a teenager. Feels better every time I do it. Lol
Doing it right now.
Great …. Thank you doc, I did sent your video to many of my friends 😊
Sometimes a guy has just gotta “clean the pipes”. And at 68, I’m a pro at keeping my pipes clean!
Same here fellas -63 yo here. Daily - sometimes 2xs a day - maybe more on the weekends!
I totally agree, keep on busting those loads. Use it lose it they say!
when you're senior and solo . . . it's gr8 to find a few friends for some group JO activity . . . like maybe in a circle.
@@tthom2459
But how do you find them?
@@tthom2459 sounds like a good plan buddy!👍🏻
good stuff Doc - thanks
You smiling ☺️🌈🥰 like keep doing you look gorgeous and happy
How many times should a man do musturbation in a week or month
We are all different!
It's whatever suits you!
We shouldn't really be influenced by others!
Unless it falls off carry on.😊
Yeah. Can you demonstrate?
I do sll the time
That chapter 7 title on this video is crazy work loll
Well, those were all of my concerns
I do it about 6-10 times a day I hope it’s ok. I take vitamin pills to replace lost vitamins
that seems a little excessive tbh.
I think you probably lose water and a small amount salt from sweating.
How do you find the time for all that?? (And I agree that's a little excessive, but whatever floats your boat).