Hill & MAC Spanish CETME-L Overview
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- My friend JC purchased this rifle from Copper Custom. It is supposed to be 1 of 100 units that Hill & Mac made. These are not common in the US in general and I was pleased to be able to shoot one, and hope to shoot it again.
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The good one is the 7.62 Cetme-C with wooded stock and handguard called "Chopo" in Spain. As far as I Know, HK based its G3 assault rifle in the CETME.
the g3 is a cetme with manufacturing license.
@@j.c.l.djedefre6611 Not exactly although it does use some stuff from CETME (after all they helped to develop it). Personally I don't like the G3, it's more cu,bersome than the CETME an I HATE the clip?
TheBayzent when Hk adquired the licence to produce the CETME C it was a sewing machines company. Yes the CETME was originally developed in Spain by German engineers, just as US space program ....
Cetme G3 gave HK's G3 and S.A.S cqc versions.
7.62 ua-cam.com/video/xmtDVNl3wTU/v-deo.html , being able to cross 3 people at 400 meters, Raul este si que era bueno, bueno hehehehe
El CETME "L" es un arma bastante fiable, a pesar de su aspecto... Pero si de verdad te gusta disparar el fusil que te gustará es su hermano mayor, el CETME, modelo "C", el "Chopo" como se le llama en España. Ése sí es un arma de hombres, con su armazón de madera, su gran tamaño y su calibre 7'62... Yo tenía uno en el Ejército, y cada vez que disparaba el corazón se me encogía en el pecho. Era como si el mismo Thor golpeara con su martillo en la montaña.
Buscaros uno. Os lo recomiendo.
Me parece que el "L" no se definía por su fiabilidad, lo sufrí unos 10 años. Muy sensible a la suciedad, la bocacha abierta se llenaba enseguida de barro, las vainas se pegaban a la recámara.
Los cargadores provocaban aún más interrupciones que el propio arma.
Por no hablar de los " anillos" que salían en el interior del cañón al cabo de un uso intensivo
@@kfo351 Sí. Y difícil de limpiar.
@@kfo351 ... Hasta en eso era mejor el "C".
No era muy fiable, el plástico se jodía muy a menudo y las piezas tenían demasiado poco espacio entre ellas. Si lo comparas con otros rifles de la êpoca con piezas de plástico sí era fiable, pero el bueno era el Chopo (aunque las hostias que daba a veces al disparar tocaban mucho los cojones)
@@TheBayzent Exacto. Pero eso, precisamente, es lo que a uno le queda en la memoria después de disparar con el "C": la sensación de potencia... y los moratones en el hueco entre el hombro y el pecho.
La marca de los machotes.
We started to use it in 1983, I remember that very well. I had one shorter because i was a sergeant, with a retreated butt
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El cetme-L era un buen fusil y con un bonito diseño,pero al abaratar costes,dejo un resultado mediocre
demasiao mediocres comparado con su antecesor
Cierto basta cogerlo otra compañia y hacerlo igual con materiales de primera y dispara hasta embarrado
@Ignacio Muñoz Diaz Porque lo hacías mal.
@Ignacio Muñoz Diaz si doblabas el fusil en los cuerpos a tierra es porque los hacías mal. Y el L tiene una fiabilidad penosa, pero al menos el sistema de apuntado era bueno de puro simple que era.
"Bultos" otro fantoche aspirante a chusquero. Seguro que capabas la gorra y llevabas borlas en los cordones de las botas.
I was shooting with the old wooden version in spanish military service.
my primary rifle when i was in my military service.
This firearm held a very good design and advanced materials for its time. But, unfortunately, when it came to be manufactured, Spanish government (manufacturer was part of a public trust) shrunk required costs to make it competitive just under money parameters.
As a result, prototypes were amazing, but final product was crap.
This is the sad story of the end of CETME series.
Really?, políticians messing all up? I do not believe it!!
It was one of the guns when I served in early nineties along with Mg,s and "Z" the 9 mm submachine gun
Effectively. There was a big difference between those that I used when I was in the Civil Guard (much more expensive) than those that the Spanish military used later. The ones I used never failed.
yes, the spanish army wanted a modern rifle assault but at the price of the CETME-C, and that was impossible, the result is a lot of cheap plastic pieces and problems, but the units acquired by the Guardia Civil were better, they payed the double of price for them and there were better made than the army's units.
@@sergiofernandez4566 What the Spanish Army wanted was a 5.56 NATO CETME C. They gave us this.
it is not designed influenced on hk its basically the opposite.... hk was inspired by cetme
Excelente fusil..a los únicos que no les gusta es a los españoles que jamas muestran respeto por sus propios logros..
As a spanish Marine in 1990 this was my weapon and it was crap! Overheating and corrosion issues! The old CETME C was much better! Nice looking weapon though
I had only problems with the first shot every round, the first bullet didnt go up on correct position
Excellent engineering, BUT crappy, shitty, hateful, "too cheap" manufacture. A decent manufacture and you have a good weapon.
pa ser "marine" español tu nombre es demasiado japonés jajajja, un poquito mas de orgullo por tu vinculo con la que fueran las armadas invencibles del mundo, tio, supongo que hablando ingles no te comiste la leyenda negra y ahora vivas en yankilandia, la mayor colonia del pirata ingles y de su reina lagartija
@@carloko08 Las Palmas de Gran Canaria! Gichin Funakochi fue el fundador del Karate Do Shotokan, mi camino en esta vida desde hace mas de 25 años! Saludos! Solo fui infante de marina por obligación, mili obligatoria en aquellos años!
@@MrGichinfunakoshi Ahí cerrando bocazas jajajaja muy bien dicho señor
Yo utilice el L en el ejercito español y según mi opinión es malísimo
I love ❤️ CETME 👌🏻🇪🇸👏🏻
Pero el CETME C no?
Un saludo
Great arm!
El CETME C ES EL MEJOR
YEAAAAAA AMERI.... sorry... SPAIN!!!. spanish people know hoy to make a rifle! Grettings from Burgos (North of Spain)
Yo nunca probé un CETME-L, todas las prácticas de tiro que hice fueron con el CETME-C el "CHOPO" original. Pero aseguran que el CETME-L fue un verdadero fracaso
Yo tuve los 3 L y no es para tanto. El unico problema que vi fue que se doblara un cañon. Pero eso fue despues de 420 cartuchos en rafaga parando un segundo para cambiar cargadores que pasaba a mi binomio. Eso si para no tener problemas necesitaba una buena limpieza para que bloquearan bien los rodillos.
Si colega era una mierda. Yo los estrene en la Bripac y se me partieron dos y en ráfagas de tres se encasquilla. .este arma tenía tiro a tiro. Seguro ráfaga de tres y ráfaga. Hablo de los primeros CETME L. .
Pero sin lugar alguna el CETME C (Chopo) es una máquina un fusil de asalto eso sí en cada esquina un rincón de mierda.
@@fernandomesagil5577 A mi al menos el Clase C me parecía mas fusil que el otro de "juguete"😂😂😂😂😂
If I remember correctly, you can lock the bolt back by keeping the charging handle back and with the other hand you press that button on the rear sight assembly.
Yo estuve con uno 9 meses tirando todas las semanas
Al cetme por ahi le llaman : cada esquina tiene mierda escondida
Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida
Great hearing from the Spaniards who have left comments. Mine is the Marcolmar version. Recoil is straight back and rather light. There's no muzzle rise in rapid fire. It's impossible to get it completely clean, so I just work on it with a tooth brush and paint safe powder solvent. You can get it cleaner, but not perfectly clean.
I served in the Spanish Army in the 90's, and that was our rifle in those days. CETME had been used for decades, I never understood why the project was discontinued.
I’m from Spain, the rifle is 100% spanish not hk copy , the rifle designed in the 50’ by CETME and the police version cost already 2500-3000 pts (750€) , the military version cost 1200pts (300-450€) , the military version is a piece of shit , very bad materials in the military versions.
He means the L model which did have HK input. The shitty changes it had compared to the C, mostly.
The "Chopo" C.etme mod C cal 7,61x51mm was a great battle rifle
Sorry 7,62x51 mm
Beautiful assault rifle !!
This is the last CETME but the best an authentic was the CETME 7'62 NATO amunition....I start my obligatory in Spain Military service in 13 April 1983 and finish in May 1985...the wood Guard of the CETME was beautiful...and was a assault gun more better than AK47 and M16 ...in the video is the plastic CETME...was the last and shit gun.
Tampoco te pases...puede q sea mas fiable q el M16..pero no q el AK 47
Cetme C..... Mi "chopo" in my military service
Este es el "L"
Cuánto abuelo cebolleta. El Cetme del vídeo es una versión moderna desarrollada por una empresa americana, no es la mierda que tuvo el ejército. Un Cetme L hecho con buenos materiales ha demostrado ser un arma a la altura del G36 o de otras. El eterno problema de España, el Síndrome del Submarino de Peral: nosotros mismos boicoteamos y echamos a perder nuestros desarrollos. Cómo les cunden a algunos los 6 meses de mili
En España 🇪🇸 lo que pasó fué el negocio del político, por eso pasó lo que pasó, ese arma es una auténtica máquina de disparar igual que la Ameli lo que aquí el negocio del político es lo primero, ¿por qué el ministerio de defensa no mandó a corregir los fallos del arma a la fábrica?, pues simple y llanamente porque el presupuesto para armamento se lo llevaban ellos y les daban cuatro perras a la fábrica y que hicieran lo que pudieran con esa limosna, es para mi una vergüenza ver nuestro fusil funcionando perfectamente en otro país incluso superando a los AK rusos y a los M16 americanos, la legión con ellos ha ganado concursos de tiro ya que son muy precisos, si al G36 ese se les diera el trato que se le daba aquí al C cuando la mili era obligatoria aguantarían menos que el L, el L es un gran fusil bien construido, así los americanos están contentísimos con el
@@danielfarina3171 esto es como los coches o cualquier maquinaria cuando pasa por mil manos y se le da caña pues dura muchisimo menos
Claro eso es a lo que yo me refiero de que si en España se hicieran las cosas bien en vez de la chupadera de tanto político corrupto y los españoles fuéramos más unidos las cosas irían mejor, lo mismo pasó con el Santana Anibal que el abaratamiento de los materiales y el politiqueo de Andalucia mandaron a Santana a la quiebra y cuándo empezó la fabricación del vehículo los modelos de prueba superaron a los Land Rover con creces lo mismo que la AMELI que los modelos de prueba para los ingleses salieron buenísimas y las que les vendieron después no sirvieron y las devolvieron todas
This model (L) is the "toy" version of model C
Fellow American: Absolutely exquisite
Spanish gunfreak: Its a turd that spits 5.56 NATO
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure, I suppose.
Lo use del 2000 al 2003 k recuerdos
A ver donde se puede ver algo de este cetme en castellano
Yo fui de los primeros por no decir el primero en estrenar este fusil en los años 87/88 en el agrucan ( infantería de Marina cuartel Manuel Lois)
I love how 90% of the comments are from Spanish people
Cierto 😉
Spanish gun, spanish comments 💃
@@jesterk7089 suffered?
No! Enjoy It!
from C.etme C "El Chopo" to mod L,Spaniards things,ajajj or hahaha
Soy español
There r 2 versions,one was x the army (cheap material) and another x the guardia civil ( military police,like gendarmerie) more expensive ,the first had a lot of problems, the second was 5*****,the diference was the quality of materials
If you try CETME-C 7,62...You'll fall in love. But it's only for men!!
thats a great ammo belt, what model is that?
"exquisite" Spanish military would disagree
A real Spanish CETME is made by CETME
This rifle failed in Spanish army due they skimped on the manufacturing materials.
First Cetme are the father of G3, late the Cheap Cetme was a Bad Rifle.
Se nota que es el sucesor espiritual del mp/stg44. Un arma muy bonita, al igual que el cetme c y la ameli
Pull back the lever and press the button under the rear sight to rest the bolt in open an safe position.
Correct, if you have 30 rounds, shot 31 rouds, to sound CLICK.
I was in Spanish army 6 years.. I had the cetme with telescopic sight.. Sooo cool
Did you just say "was designed with H&K input"?... this gun has nothing to do with H&K man....
This gun has everything to do with HK. G3 IS a HK gun, that was produced with collaboration with CETME. Look at this gun the look at it's HK counterpart, the HK33, then say again it has nothing to do with HK
The project of the G3/CETME Model 58 comes from the Mauser design and project which was an evolution of the STG45. HK is the modern incarnation of Mauser so
My beautiful and amazing Princess Not completely right. The original CETME was designed by Mauser engineers who came to Spain after the war, basing the design on the STG44. Later on, the rifle came out to be very successful and CETME (which stands for Centro de Estudios Técnicos de Material Especial or in English Special Material Technical Studies Centre) and the CETME C designs were sold to HK and they sold the famous HK G3. Fun fact: inside the Spanish Army the CETME C was nicknamed “chopo” because of its unbeatable reliability.
@@estanislao7964 Yes, HK was founded by former Mauser engineers and workers, it is basically the modern day incarnation of Mauser
However the G3 was not actually based on the STG44, but a later evolution, the STG55, that was a delayed blow roll back system just like the CETME Model 58/HK G3 is. that Mauser was commissioned to develop by the German government, but WW2 ended before they could implement it propely and the resources were scare too ofc since it was the later stages of a war. So Mauser approached the CETME engineering center, recently created by the Spanish government, and they collabed to make the G3/Model 58
The 44 was a gas piston system similar to the AR rifles (that took much of its inspiration from the STG44)
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess the g3 came later than the model C CETME, un fact it's almost a copy of it, it was based on the cetme C, it was not designed at the same time as the original CETME
@@ramonmerino3726 The G3 is not a copy in the slightest. HK IS Mauser, it's the modern incarnation of it, was formed by former Mauser employees/engineers when the former disbanded, because of the piece of shit allies
The CETME Model 58/G3 is the evolution of the STG45, that was being commissioned to Mauser by the German government before ww2 ended. It's a roller delayed blow back, while the Stg 44 was a gas piston a little similar to the AR rifle (that took much of its inspiration from the STG44).
For all purposes you could argue that yes, HK bought the license of the G3 from CETME/Spain government, but it's not a copy, because HK is Mauser, the people who made the rifle.
Furthermore, both rifles evolved into families of rifles based on the C / G3, chambered in other calibers like the the model L/ Hk 33 in 5.56, etc. They are similar and offer have interchangeable parts but are different enough, since they're made by different companies
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They are smooth firing riffles.
i remenber when i was shooting up with one, but it's so problematic and it was reemplaced in a few year.
I really like u cute boy 😘😍😍
You have a button on the right side of your rear sight with which you can lock your bolt open. It is good practice to know your firearms well before handling/shooting them.
Other than that, the rifle was promising, but ended up being crap. Accuracy was all over the place, double feeds were common, and the safe/fire mode selector had a tendency to jiggle up and down at its own will, so go figure how fun that is when you want your rifle in safe or you get an unexpected burst out of your muzzle, when you actually wanted to fire in semi-auto. Reason for this, budget. Government wanted it cheaper, factory said fine, this is the crap you paid for.
Your unit looks brand new. It should work well for years unless you take it to war and use it the way a military rifle is meant to be used.
At the beginning of November, the CETME C and the rest of the rifles converted to semi-automatic mode for sale to the civilian market will be practically prohibited after a modification of the Spanish Arms Regulations.
These weapons cannot be sold or transferred, and in the event that their owners lose their licenses, these rifles will be destroyed.
And magazines with a capacity of more than ten cartridges are now prohibited and must be delivered to police stations where they will be confiscated without compensation.
Part of our gun history will be lost, and the shooters will become quasi-criminals.
I have a CETME C "civilian" with which I remember my times of military service and I am really sad.
CETME used to stand for: Cada esquina tiene mierda escondida (every corner has hidden dirt) so hard assault rifle to keep clean, but for sure my favorite weapon while my time in the military (over the submg star z, mg42, llama m82 and even the browning 50 cal)
Автоматически может?
Hice la Mili con él (1994)
Tercera compañia tercio de armada
4/87 agrucan unir
The spanish cetme no setmi
thanks for chek this weapon
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The Cetme is a remarkable weapon, especially the Cetme model C although as a Spaniard I should not boast about it, generally we do not give it importance.
Keep it up man
Buen vídeo!!
Yo lo use durante un año (1/91) y los cargadores eran muy malos.
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I haved this rifle in the spanish army
Me too
El pasado del verbo "to have" es "had" porque es irregular
@@pericodelospalotes5738 gracias por la correccion, anotado
Bastante cerca le ha rondado a acertar, una persona que hizo mili y disparó el cetme no tiene por qué tener mucho nivel de inglés.
No es como ahora que te llenan de inglés desde la guardería.
@@davidgutierrezlucas8003 pues no la verdd, ni para tirar con cetme ni con la mg
El sistema de rodillos es peor que el de gases
El de gases, bien hecho, es mucho mejor. El problema es que no hay rifle europeo que sea capaz de diseñar un sistema de gas que funcione correctamente en combate de larga duración, el G3 es una puta mierda que pierde precisión increíblemente rápido (además de que no puedes compartir clips con los yankees usando la M4, así que te deja en pelotas muchas veces en operaciones conjuntas) en condiciones extremas, mientras que los rodillos funcionan muy bien en todos los ambientes. Los yankees tienen carabinas de gas que van de puta madre, pero les ha costado llegar allí.
Es todo I+D, tener menos guerras directas a gran escala tiene eso de malo.
El cetme L era poco mas que una escopeta Gamo....
Si la gamo hiciera los boquetes que hacia el cetme L quedaria solo la cola del gorrion
Yo hice el sevicio militar en el año 1994 con un cetme l y eso no vale nada de maniobras se atascaba por el polbo era malisimo
My friend, that is by far the WORST rifle to ever have disgraced a professional army. Throw away that piece of obsolete junk and get yourself a proper, modern and reliable weapon.
Like many people said above, it's a good design but the spanish army wanted them cheap, so the production units were crappy. He has one manufactured by Hill&Mac, should be as good as he says.
una mierda de fusil, los acabamos vendiendo y compramos los nuevos de hk, mucho mejores
Qué se basan en el diseño del CETME, con licencia. Listo.
Cuando la mili obligatoria si habia cetmes hechos un cristo, para los de la mili claro está, pero los cetme de “no mili” eran crema fina, la compra de hkas y otros productos tienen más que ver con politica comisiones y demas sinvergüenceria, ponte al dia
@@jm.2127 Los G36E que reemplazaron a los L no están basados en el CETME, el principio de funcionamiento es totalmente diferente. El G3, que es anterior, sí (concretamente en la linea que desembocó en el modelo C), pero ese fusil jamás lo adquirió el ejército español sino el alemán. Aunque se podría decir que el CETME es una adaptación del mecanismo de las ametralladoras MG42 alemanas a un fusil (lo que no deja de tener su mérito).
@@odin4043 alemania manda nos hemos comido casi todos sus lanzamientos masivos
There is notgood gun!
Friki
The is the same as the HK 33, but the CETME version, I love it's resemblance of the STG 44/45 design. This era of HK and CETME rifles from the G3/Model 58 (the first one, chambered in 7.62) is my favorite looking gun!
They were cool indeed, I loved cetme c with wooden parts, impossible to break it and very accurate and reliable
They are the STG44 but with bigger pieces (later models) and a more efficent gas chamber.
La versión para Paracas si que molaba...