Very Weird TDI (No Start after Head Swap?)
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2023
- This 2005 VW Passat didn't even make it to 200k miles before needing a new camshaft and cylinder head.
After 2 trips to the shop, the car ran....for 8 miles xD
Now it's a crank no-start, and the owner wants an actual DIAGNOSIS before taking it back to the shop for a THIRD TIME.
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Ivan - Авто та транспорт
Ivan will drive out very early in the cold morning over a mountain to diagnose someone's car. Gives a new meaning to mobile mechanic. I could imagine him being a doctor years ago.
Needs a leather bag for the Pico…
@@williamhague2768 And a white scrub.
@@InsideOfMyOwnMind ivan is very organized, but the white scrub would not remain white for long!
Yup. I've driven 110 miles one way to diagnose a truck no start. After driving and trying to diagnose it in a few hours is indeed pressured. I told my client. Bring it by in a few days. I have another car I need to fix and make room. He eventually got it to my house. I knew what I needed to do. The program I needed to fix his truck I got a new tool plus the new program and got it fixed after 3 hours. Plus new keys. The other car needed keys too. So it was a very successful day.
He’s a champ and he writes like a Dr also😂
One thing i like about ivan is that he try's his hardest for the customer a rare thing these days
He could be my mechanic. But I think Denmark is too long a road trip for him (and me). 220.000 km and nok seen a mechanic yet
This is called tandem pump in my region, as it assists fuel and vacuum for break booster and solenoids. These engines in my experience last very long time, have very low fuel consumption and have reasonable power for the engine size. But there are no engines without problems. Greetings from Estonia! Ivan, good video as usual!
There is only one right way to set the timing correct on a PD TDI and that is adjusting the “Torsion Value”. Using VCDS or another scanner go into “01 Engine” and choose “Group 004” and adjust the “Torsion Value” to +- 2.5 ˚ KW (KW stands for Kurbelwelle ie Crankshaft), when the engine is hot… And that’s it…😊😊😊
This^^
EDC 15 must to be set on 0.0kw and EDC16 must to be set on -2.0 kw
Now that the car is back up and running, I hope the owner gets this procedure done. It is critical for power and mileage.
Alternatively with "TDI Graph".
I manage just fine without VCDS.
I love those dirt roads over the mountain and out of happy valley. Lots of fun and gorgeous views from the top... (4x4 required, of course). Been a while since I have gone that way.
Good vid Ivan, have you ever watched DiagnoseDan ?
He is really good at finding the problems other garages can't... his CAN BUS knowledge is second-to-none, very logical in his diagnosis of vehicles...
He also seems to be the same type of guy as yourself, dedicated to looking after your customer & doing the job right !!
😎👍☘️🍺
This is not so much for you Ivan as for those who watch/appreciate your content.
I’ve been watching Ivan diagnose for quite a while now. It dawned on me recently that I watch several providers that are top notch and almost NEVER like (👍) a video. I’m gonna challenge myself first and maybe some of you to turn a new leaf. Ivan deserves our support! Let’s all agree to develop a new HABIT. Let’s LIKE (👍) every video of IVANs for the entire month of FEBRUARY to show our support and encourage him to keep the faith!
THE ENTIRE MONTH OF FEBRUARY!!!
Leave a short comment too! Thanks Ivan. 🤠🇺🇸
Let’s “Make our Community(s) Great Again!!!” God, Country, Family, Friends and self. The Code.
Let’s “Make our Community(s) Great Again!!!” God, Country, Family, Friends and self. The Code.
Would you please be able to give me your opinion on a misfire on a 95 Mazda mx3 1.6 if I gave you symptoms and what I've done so far?
Thanks, joel
Yeah I'm like you I forget to like. But now you reminded me I will
Thanks Ivan another great video for us to watch (Sunday)
Thanks for posting the scenic drive through the mountains.
That is the tandem pump, not the high pressure pump as it just make a little pressure which is fed to the injectors which are independent pumps actuated by the separate cams on the camshaft. Each injectors produces around 2000 bar when hit by the cam, then it is electrically actuated to inject fuel in the cylinder. This PD was actually invented in the US I think and is one of the most reliable injection technology for diesel, but it has it limits related to emissions ...
Once again logical thinking and following a plan wins. Great job my friend.
There's never a dull moment watching your videos..
Another brilliant diagnostic.
I just put my tv on your channel and let it play all day in the shop! Always something new and interesting to learn on PHAD! 😊
Thank you for the trip across the mountain, very interesting!
In Volkswagen and Audi it’s common to lose the pressure of the fuel on the high pressure pump just because there’s a suck fuel injector or rings and most likely the high pressure pump is ok, seal properly the fuel injectors system and you get back the pressure of the high pressure fuel pump.
Whatever it take to get the job done!! No matter if you have to off road, seal a boat hike a mountain or....cool man keep it up
I can relate some days I get no sleep and go to work at 5 am to diag a car like this keep it up man give mobile mechanics a better name
You sure are a very brilliant man. And you are a great teacher
Nice drive out to the customer 👍🏼
You’ll be doing 4x4 off-road videos soon 😀
Nice frosty ride, great vew
For someone not familiar with diesels, this was a mean call to make. She nearly started but the hi pressure pump had gone too far. Nice fix to get her back on the road and on to the next one.
Way to go, u created farfenugen with ur great diag skills, thanks for bringing us over the moutain
Top man ....well done 💥💥💥
I just sold my 2003 Jetta TDI and I have to say I was very happy to get 316,000 miles out of it. I purchased it new and did all of the maintenance myself. One of the best cars I have ever owned cost per mile.
316K it's just half of it's potential life😄
@@gentrest6421 without a head refresh* :D
@@gentrest6421 I agree. It needed another shot of oven cleaner and I decided it just needed a new home.
Hi Ivan, Good call regarding the pump. I had a problem with my pump here in the UK. To replace the pump was a silly amount of money so purchased a seal kit and springs from a fuel diesel supplier, just needed engine code/year to ensure the right kit. Once done, perfect and no more problems.
I kind of thought it would be pricey. It's the German way
@@mikefoehr235 Wind farms are a prime example!
Nice catch Ivan and yes diesel can be very picky so are injector seals I've had a few over the years it didn't quite workout the first time I had to pull them and reinstall new ones all over again I just wanna strangle myself sometimes no matter how hard I try I to do a perfect job it always some new part that didn't quite workout.
As usual Ivan does only what’s necessary and gets to the end result while being considerate of the customers wallet. I’ve been like that through a 47 year self employed career in home improvements and lived a nice life and never had an unhappy customer. Ivan will only get busier as time rolls on. My grandparents came here from Russia in 1908 so I have that in common with Ivan.
spaciba, hat's off Ivan 👍
Super diag Ivan.... mechanical science is a blast !
That road is smoother than the Pennsylvania Turnpike
You did that once on another tdi and you called the high pressure pump at the time nice call!! But shame that you didn't get it fixed while you were there. But happy ending! Vw are bad for o rings not being replaced! At least it runs great now after pump and o rings! Great video!
Ivan thanks for sharing thank you
Great video very informative
Ya bad "O" rings on a diesel equals lower compression and a misfire. On a gas engine, bad "O" rings can cause vacuum leaks.
Good one Ivan! Good thing you had that waveform from the previous VW diesel for comparison.
Those O rings have got nothing to do with compression. They're there to hold the fuel in galleries built in the cylinder head
Those older bhw engines can be a pain to get the air out of the system. High pressure pump on these engines are also a vacuum pump and arent that high of a fuel pressure. The injectors are what create the high pressure. As to adjusting the cam timing after it starts there is a data pid called torsion value want it as close to 0 as possible.
Ah, yes the HPOP. I have 2 6.0 liter Powerstrokes and I know all about the HPOP. My truck was almost new. I was coming on the interstate and the HPOP failed as I was merging in front of a semi; I had to take the emergency lane. The other was the Excursion; it just stopped like someone turned off the key. The best one was when the STC fittings failed. There must be 540 lbs. of pressure to start the engine. If those fittings leak, you don't get that pressure. We stuck a rag saturated in Ether (yes the glow plugs survived) in the turbo and cranked the engine. It went faster and faster until we got the pressure with the leaking STC fittings and the engine started. I got the thing to a shop, PRONTO! Great video!
When I think about New York, New York City is the first image in my mind. But the country side of New York is unbelievably beautiful. You're lucky to live there, Ivan!!
I'm in PA lol
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those tandem fuel pumps are known to leak fuel into the head. Through the pump shaft seal. And the pumpedüze system is great as long the injectors are seated correctly :)
Master class!
Good work man your really good at figuring out things like that b m w what a money pit
I love how this diag started. Didn’t just jump to timing, but since no codes after clearing Ivan started with basics. LP Fuel, check. Then spark, and timing compared against known good. Then down the diag rabbit hole we go….BUT WE KNOW WE CHOSE THE RIGHT RABBIT HOLE because of the methodical approach. Always enjoyable learning from you Ivan.
@@ericc6384
Occasionally the parts canon will get a direct hit.
Ivan wouldn't be diagnosing spark on a diesel!
Diesels don't have spark. It is a compression ignition engine.
@Eric C Possibly but what if this happens again? Are you going to spend the money to replace all of the parts you did last time because of being to lazy to find out what the real problem was?
@Eric C No way lol
For those torn up Allen bolts.., RBRT bits are the Bees Knees! Bought a set few years ago. No regrets.
Not sure what RBRT bits are, but that plug was so glued in there, that it BARELY came out with the big vise grips clamped to maximum strength haha
I might add the 04 and 05 Passat tdi has only an 18 month sale period in the US and not available everywhere. Only available in the US with the Zf5hp19fl trans.
For those not too familiar with Diesel engines a good check of the condition of an injector is to do a "leak off" check. This involves checking the amount of Diesel coming out of the return/spill lines when running/cranking. Ideally all injectors should return the same quantity.
A defective injector can leak back a lot of fuel and prevent the high pressure from building up. Also combustion gasses can come back up the spill pipes and into the LP side at the filter looking like an air leak.
Keep up the good videos and logical approach.
This works for a common rail diesel not a pump injectors
That is true, for PD systems there is no return line to check for leak back. Also the PD units are quite inaccessible, as they are buried beneath the camshaft.
@@lucianlucian9911 actually beneath the rocker arms which are driven by camshaft
thumbs up, Doctor
I appreciate the video . Interesting.. thanks
It leads one to ponder whether the air you found in the high pressure fuel system was effectively a failed "bubble test" that you would do on a 6.0 Powerstroke.
Awesome countryside there, a lot like here in the PNW.
that air in the fuel system reminds me of my mates diesel tractor, the petcock before the fuel pump had a worn Oring and was letting air into the fuel
Those TDI engines ❤❤❤
🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
All they need a good maintenance and nice driving skills
Nice diag Ivan. I was under the impression that the HP fuel pumps could be damaged if not R&R'd correctly.
It the tandem pump, it quite common in europe, because it has a double job vacum for the engine and pressure for the injectors and sometimes has a inside leak and othertimes outside.
That is the tandem pump, it makes low pressure for the diesel and vacuum for the brakes and other systems, there is a seal kit that can be replaced on these vacuum pumps ...
You are a born teacher Ivan. Do you have one or more teachers who taught you when you started that you would like to thank? The teachers I will always remember are Mr. Lukin, Mr. Manfre, Mr. Zipco, Mr. Nichols, and last but not least, my grandfather. They were strict and may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they taught me skills I use almost daily.
Impressive work my friend
Basically this engine don’t have high pressure pump but they do have injector pump so best solution is take a rocker cover up take injector out and check 3 rubber o ring. To install injector you need adjustment. When camshaft pushed injector rocker maximum in you have to louse nuts and 6mm Alan key screws in maximum and return 180 degrees. After all jobs check injector connector they always to slope
Saw on another show that the cam wave form was inverted because the cam was magnetized
Must be Bernie Thompson and hes DEGAUSSER MACHINE haha
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics thinking it was a Subaru
The PowerStroke system you referred to is called a HEUI it’s electronic based on extremely high oil pressures. As fir cam actuated injection systems that’s going back a ways in technology….. thank Detroit 2 cycle design from the 50s. I’m sure there are also more modern designs of that sort.
Good work as always Ivan. And I’m personally choosing to have my wife to cut my hair. That’s one area I’m cheaper than you lol. I love reading the comments!
I think I’m even cheaper, been cutting My own for about 30 years!
PHAD on the move!
ah yes, our beloved PDTDI
Their driveway will smell just lovely for the next year or so with that eau de diesel fragrance :)
know exactly where that road is. Its a rough one, but a nice drive.
At first, I thought I had started a video of off - road recovery! I had an older VW diesel and sent the head to an expert head rebuilder in St Louis. After repair, the engine could not maintain oil pressure. Turned out the head had been line-bored for oversize bearing journals but had a cam with std bearing journals. Pulled the head and sent it back. The next time it came back, the valves were not recessed enough, and even with the proper thickness head gasket, the valves contacted the pistons. The third time the head came back, the engine ran ok, but a dope-smoker in Kia pulled out in front of me and I hit him at 45-50 MPH. End of VW diesel.
ugh bummer
It's a Volkswagen..... so, yeah. BTW -- Great job as always Ivan !
How was the oil level? The HP fuel pump failure was most likely ALSO allowing diesel to leak internally and mix with the engine oil. The level should be overfilled. However the leaking injector would have contributed to the oil level as well... Strange how the Cam signal randomly inverts. I would imagine a lot of techs getting stuck on that odd behavior and potentially misdiagnosing a no start condition. Great job, Ivan 👍
Ivan I hope you charge for wear and tear that road looked a mess nice video
Hi Ivan, There is a pid in live data for that adjustable cam pulley. IIRC it's something like torque or cam torque. It's a number value IE 1,2, 3 etc. after a belt change you set the pulley to give the correct value in live data. Sorry I can't remember what it should be! I do know that it's a VERY FINE adjustment and a killer to get right. Most mechanics over here don't bother as long as it runs right lol I believe it does affect the MPG
Where i used to work they used to set it 1-1.5 degrese over spec
Also TDIGraph
My first thought was injector orings. If they're bad enough it will look as if the high pressure pump is bad. My practice is to replace any oring or seal that has been disturbed. I also use only oem orings since I've been burnt by after market. Especially on International engines. Never messed with vws but I'm sure same principles apply.
i get my orings from professional fuel injection /turbo service centres never had an issue ten times cheaper.
@@closertothetruth9209 I've never heard of them. Can I get their contact info?
@@donmunro144 im not in the USA but im sure youd have similar companies in your part of the world, here the dealerships etc wanted $10 an oring but at the professional injector/ injector pump repairers i got 10 for a dollar.
@@closertothetruth9209 That's crazy they aren't that expensive here. All the oems are within an hrs drive. For the cost of overnight shipping, I have them the same day.
Oh, because compression is backing up into the fuel...
Are the o rings a copper crush washer? Or is that another type of diesel injection system?
That was interesting, Thank you.
But then again they all are.
Great diagnostic Ivan! Great scenery intro too :-) Seems the other shop mishandled the repair (twice), masking the high pressure pump problem. Why don't customers call you first?
It is a tandem pump (fuel-vacuum)
Cranking dry kill them quick.
Would be nice of you Ivan, if you wouldn't do the purging of fuel line the russian way - directly on to the ground. I'm sure you can have it neatly done with some catching bottle or smthng. Liked the diagnostics still. Thank you
Happy Juice
As of yesterday I now have 5 TDI's. I bought a TDI Jetta for my daughter from a guy who had 7 TDI's and now has 6. With proper care these will last a long time. So far 3 are at 300K, 1 at 200K, and the newest 2015 Passat TDI at 80K. Here in Ohio the rust will take them off the road before anything else.
I thought Ivan would have checked high pressure pump/pressure/scan data I know he could not get it started. There's usually a minimum pressure that the engine demands to start. All good he knows his shit.
Always first and easiest step diagosing those pd engines is to check oil level.
Great diag Ivan! I'm confused how the cam signal inverts on a crank no start, that makes no sense!
That is a PD engine, so the injection pressure is produced by the cam lobes for the injectors. The pump on the end of the cam is only intended to maintan flow through the gallery in the head at low pressure, so not a high pressure pump.
Well it increases pressure from 10psi to 100psi so medium pressure pump 😀
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Fair enough, but the actual injection pressure on these can go even higher than a common rail, they max at about 1650bar, the pd can go up to 2000bar. Got one in a 2005 Golf and I deal with them and common rail ones in Linde forklifts. Carry on the good work.
Nice work Ivan. 👍👍 Prior to going all Toyota about 5 or 6 years ago, My last work transporter was a 81 rabbit diesel p/u . Super simple, 45- 50 mpg but a bit sluggish to put it mildly. Only needed 1 wire to run after starting .
I had diesel Rabbit slow but good mpg.
Simple back then.
What's odd was all the aluminum heads crack between intake exhaust valve seats .
And factory said that was " normal" on VW diesel.. 😂
@@MitzvosGolem1 Only if overheated, and it only took 1 time. Just a head gasket if lucky, but many times the heads would warp and could not be machined, had to be heated to heated and reformed, which seldom ever got done.
@@brianw8963 Actually that's what I thought as a mechanic since 1979 on diesel gas marine industrial stuff .
But no..
I had a few never overheated and had crack between intake exhaust valve s seats . I even cut one head along crack in half and it almost went to coolant.Factory told me it's ok as long as they don't go to deep????? Wtf
I had 6cylinder VW diesel Volvo turbo same thing happened.
Your correct on overheating on any engine with aluminum heads it's done..
Just did a Subaru new head gaskets shaved heads and 6 months later blew them again.
I only will install new heads now OEM .
But older VW pickup trucks were cool.
I would like to get a gas one .
Good luck 👍
@@MitzvosGolem1 Agreed, I like the old VW’s but no more stinking diesels for Me. Unless it is a necessity for a lot of hauling, at 5-6$/gall. and the added expense of maintenance/ repairs, I see no advantage to diesel. As they say, whatever trips your trigger.
@@brianw8963 true I switched over to GM 6.0 gas trucks on my fleet .
Even new age big semis and heavy equipment a nightmare with emissions stuff and computer s .
next episode will see ivan work on a space ship, in the sky!
A little sniff of "Cosby Juice" tells a lot.
Had fun with a Volvo V70 it was o one off in the garage and we were yoused to a type that had the crank pulley on with 4multi spline bolts,this one had one main crank bolt and a key way under it now the key way floated hard a tooth mmmm , so set timing locked of cam pump and kind off crank and put on new water pump and fitting timing kit gates
#runonsentence
Those diesel passats are very very popular over here in Europe
I like them personally because they are actually Audis with their multilink. Modern Passats are just like almost any other VW ever was (MacPherson strut). Well except maybe the beetle and few newer SUVs with more wishbone.
I don't think it needed the tandem pump as it was trying to start, probably the injector o rings and seats would've had it up and running.
You can check the timing on VCDS under torsion value which should be + or - 3° to be in spec.
Gonna need a video soon I'm jonesing
Hi, Love the show. Where did you learn your electrical skills? You are really good at it.
You can check his website. The university :D He is well educated.
Hi Ivan on the skoda fabia which is simlar, that pump is a tandem pump, as you say vacuum for brake servo and fuel pump, that pump only suppies a certain amount of pressure, the injectors them selves have a built in fuel pump that runs off rocker from the cam shaft, if its like a fabia...might be worth a look, might want injectors?...Fred in Uk
1 bar coming out of a 3bar intank fuel pump ! Anything below 2 bar ya got no chance, and you can’t really get a reading on the vacuum pump besides the vacuum side as it’s a different chamber directly into the head. New tank pump ya in business
The German PD engine is unlike most diesel engine tough long living and a very reliable uncomplicated design. Would need to know more on how and what was swapped out on the head from the old one. Important as the injector o rings are they should always be renewed when injectors are disturbed. If leaking the engine oil will dilute. Mechanical operation to pressurise injectors via cam lobe and triggered electronically. The rocker to injector clearance must be set correctly - wind off adjusters, set cam lobe clearance at max lift on each injector in turn, and wind in adjuster until bottoms out and you feel resistance. Back off adjuster off half a turn. This is the basic method to ensure the cam lobe doesn't hammer out the bottom of the injector. Also recommended all cam cap stretch bolts are renewed on assembly. Have seen these come loose Also check in tank pump and that the tandem pump is being pressurised these can commonly fail and while the tandem pump can sometimes lift the fuel from the tank once the system has been broken into it sometimes fails with starting issues resulting. Wiring looms to injectors under the cam cover can also cause issues as loom and contacts become hard and brittle working in hot engine oil they break down usually starts with a misfire. The tandem pump, fuel and vacuum, can be tested for pressure there is a port on the side to connect a gauge. Not as high a pressure as you might imagine. should read 3.5 bar at idle and 7.5 bar at 4000rpm. Additionally at idle, the pump should return back to the filter head 1.2 Lpm at idle. These don't commonly fail in my experience and I would be asking why would it suddenly fail just because the head has been changed.
The PD is in no way as reliable as the regular TDIs with a distribution pump. The camshaft and lifters are much more vulnerable. They are still reliable usually, as long as you make the right choice with oils. With the predecessors you can use many oils ans they still run great.
Hey Ivan I love the videos. Had a quick question, live data shows a fuel pump error as pressure drops and everything is brand new. Think it's a wiring issue or the ecu?? I know it's tough to say over the internet.
hi ivan when i go to diesel no start if it cranks the first thing i do is give it a wiff of brake clean if it fires its fuel then go live data to see pressures but i did have a jeep grand cherokee did few jobs on and owner replaced fuel filter became hard to start looked simmilar to one in the video it had a pin hole and was sucking air that was a pain to find did not leak fuel
Lucky you have the jeep as we call them in Ireland because I don't think a Corolla or Yaris would make it down that road.
That's why you've gotta have the backup AWD Lexus IS. Snowy rings lad.
If fuel is not primed it can damage fuel pump because it’s not being lubricated. These diesel pumps are very sensitive and will fail if you run them dry
Having owned the 98 jetta ahu, 04 jetta alh and now the owner of an 05 passat with the bhw engine, i have to say Ive never experienced a more gruff engine that in no way is as smooth at idle than the alh. Mine even before the balance shaft delete with new mounts and trans mounts has frequency vibrations at idle in gear that are out of place in a car like this.
The TDI PDs are smoother imo.
nice
I've had 3 of these 1.9tdi powered vw's. In general, vw are crap cars if you can't fix them yourself like most Euro's. But I do have a soft spot for these as they get phenomenal fuel mileage and you can't kill them!
There are youtube videos of 400k+ mile examples in a skoda. Running fine, but they take the head off to have a look and it was mint. Just put it back together.
In the 2 polo's I owned. They would average 5L/100km (48mpg) mostly around town. And 3.2L/100km (75mpg) on long freeway trips.
Of course, every other part of the car is full of electrical ghosts, and trims all fail in different ways. I've even seen them run on chip fat biodisel, no problem!
Also unlike the cheaper more lighter framed versions of these rust much easier than these. :P The next model, the B6 is also made kind of like the cheaper models..
@@rkan2 The wagons are all German built and imported . The 98 jettas rust easily
@@gerardmccarthy2432 Yes, all the other VW models (except Touareg etc) had much cheaper made bodies. Thinner steel and less paint/protection materials.
Also you cannot run on full chip fat on the PDs. It was a feature of the regular distribution pump TDIs.
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Got to have good pressure and no air in diesel system at all
Beautiful countryside. What's the Bigfoot situation like up there?
I ❤️ central Pennsylvania, no better place to live!