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- The FAA is increasing its investigation into aircraft production at Boeing by extending its focus now towards critical parts suppliers. Alaska Airlines and associated parties are now being sued by four passengers who boarded the 737-9 flight that witnessed a door blowout. Meanwhile, Alaska Airlines' CEO has addressed the public and provided updates on the MAX grounding, future outlook and their support of Boeing as a long-time partner.
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When an aircraft manufacturer has to explicitly say that "safety is the number one priority" there is something very wrong.
Your comment is ridiculous
I would think making a product the takes off would be the number one priority.
@@ianmontgomery7534 It's not hard to get a craft to take off, landing is the most difficult. TOGA switches exist for a reason.
We used to joke in the oil and gas industry that the companys that said that safety is the first priority left off the
Second line which said… that we ditch when the times get tough-like if you have to say it, you’re trying to fool yourself
Absolutely! ...
"We, a Boeing Company, stay committed to The Boeing Company" genius statement
Seriously. It was hilarious listening them refer to customers , plural
@@Nope_handlesaretrash Customers IS plural, there is more than one.
@@Davesworld7 For grounded aircraft it's less than one.
Huh?
The passengers should be suing Boeing, not Alaska.
Agreed.
They don’t have balls for traumatizing people and they will lose the suit and they have go back from the social media and recap that’s all.
The customers only have a relationship with the airline, it is the airline that has a relationship with the vendor. So it would be up to the airline to sue the vendor to pass on any judgement in favour of the customers.
Moreover, the damage done to passengers should be pretty minimal as the reports are only for minor injuries. Wounded pride shouldn't be actionable in a civil court.
I think it is the correct way. The passengers have no contract with Boeing but with the airline. Alaska Airlines can sue Boeing subsequently.
Oh, yes, some lawyer will sue Boeing on behalf of the passengers, even on behalf of ground crew that was unnecessary stressed due to the accident.
After the MCAS fiasco you would think safety and “dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s” would have been a priority, but wasn’t. An enormous failure by the CEO and managers. All should be fired and replaced
The only question being, fired out of what, a cannon or one of their aircraft as it experiences a sudden and catostopic depressurization event at altitude?
A CEO is not an employee so they can only be asked to step down as CEO but they still are major shareholders with the right to vote on any company's board they are a member of. Most CEOs are not on on only one board of one company but rather, several. Buy enough stock and you too can be one of them. Our CEO also sits on multiple boards of different companies and conversely, many members of other boards sit on Boeing's board. For instance, the CEO of IBM can only be the CEO of IBM but can and will be on other boards they are not the CEO of. Voting stock is voting stock, CEO or not. We had one lady who remained an hourly employee who had more stick than the CEO and she did attend meetings. She could not be ON the board while being an employee, it's illegal. I do not know if she had any stock on other company's boards.
As far as indiscriminately firing all managers, dumb move which is why you will never be in a position to be able to do something like that. It was the decisions of very few upper managers on the 737 program that led to the MCAS fiasco which was NOT a quality issue, it was a poor and deadly business decision along with a poor design decision imposed by engineering upper management to use only one AOA input for a system few even knew existed. Add to this the high failure rate of the AOA sensor manufacturer (no longer in business) and I need not say more about what could happen. Never in Boeing's history has a single point of failure been designed into a new system like that and most employees as well as managers were kept in the dark if they didn't have any work related to MCAS. While being an Avionics Tech in Preflight and Delivery on the Boeing 777, I was in a different world than the 737 and that was the way I liked it. I left the 737 to work on the 777 on purpose. The only Boeing single-aisle I like is the 757 and it's long gone. Still, NONE of that has anything to do with poor workmanship at Spirit nor the fact that it happened on a MAX.
Typical corporate response is to only look at the cause of systems with issues and related sub systems. Nobody would had thought a door plug would be faulty as it has nothing to do with MCAS. Additionally the fuselage of the 737 Max is mostly the same as it's ever been since the primary changes on Max is wings, engines and electronics (like MCAS). Decades of no issues they certainly got comfortable and nobody, customer, passenger, operator and maintenance would've expected. Yet despite this whoever worked on installing the door plug was definitely not working like they should. CEO and managers wouldn't know anything about what the people on assembly line does.
Boeing will continue to keep everyone in the industry busy.
The lawyer industry mostly…
And journalism, obviously.
But not the FAA to friendly there
My surprise is that Alaska are remaining steadfastly loyal in every regard to Boeing even after all the findings following the incident on Jan. 5th. The CEO appears to be wanting to remain loyal to Boeing even with all these issues consistently coming to light by Alaska and United mechanics during the grounded inspections of the 900 Max variants both carriers were provided by Boeing. Even though this loyalty is costing Alaska mega bucks in the ongoing constant mass cancellations and re-booking of passengers with other carriers (including United who replaced many of the routes affected with other aircraft in their fleet).
maybe they were offered a discount on future planes if they keep quiet.
behind closed doors alaska will be furious, but needs boeing to fix this and also why on a plane having constant warning lights/chimes on this door plug they cleared it for flight (remember they departed with 2 rows of seats empty so they knew the plug was failing) so they messed up too , and they are not going to be able to sell these planes till the all clear anyway resale value will be pitifull for years after this
Keep in mind that switching brands is a major cost. You have to re-train and certify the flight crew, ground crew, and switch out the spare parts inventory. There's probably more that I'm overlooking. It strikes me as unlikely things will return to the bad status quo at Boeing. Not for a long time anyway. Why bail if they're about to get good again?
Yes one would assume they would use the leverage....
They have no money to buy new planes and have to use what they bought. Remember these max 9 were Brand NEW.
And the CEO of Boeing first thought is to lie again to the public. Safety is NOT the primary and first concern of Boeing. PROFIT, PROFIT, and PROFIT are the top three concerns. But gaslighting the public is why he makes the big bucks.
Diversity is ahead of safety as well.
Lies, lies, and more lies to try and protect the stock price!
Safety is indeed the #1 priority. #1 after profits, productivity, DEI, sexual harrassment trainig, and properly labeling bathrooms in the executive offices.
@@TheTransporter007why are you so convinced that diversity bad
@@LexYeenthey just want something to be mad at because they’re snowflakes
Karma for Bombardier's CSeries. No competition results into the BS we are seeing.
Not even the same size class. It is now the Airbus A220.
The C Series is in production now, as the A220. It's still there, but it's not the same class plane as a 737-9, the A321 is.
Boeing needs to adopt the "see something, say something" philosophy. Everyone down the line (designers, engineers, assembly line workers, airline maintenance, etc) needs to have the power to stop production when someone sees a safety/quality issue. FAA inspectors need to be the actual inspectors and stop letting the Boeing inspect itself. Whistleblowers need to be elevated to hero status for bringing issues to the attention of management.
Management would kill you before they would implement such a thing. Management has been pushing for money first, everything else after since they started to have failures with the dreamliner. Which made them lose money by a lot. And hence why they refused to redessign the 737 and use MCAS to cheapen and speed up everything.
STOP OUTSOURCING THE WORK! That plug door was built in Malaysia! Malaysia also builds the 787 fan cowl! Wake up Boeing and protect your reputation! Airbus is a Union represented company.
@@user-yl4rr5no7q it does not matter where the devices are coming from. If the executives wants "cheapest" they will get what they paid, be malaysian or american. See spirit's bullshit. as they are now under investigation.
I have seen first hand some of the garbage coming from Malaysia. I have witnessed a total disrespect for hands on experience, Many companies hire youngsters with no manufacturing experience, Engineers with only textbook knowledge, Managers who don't know how to read a blue print! I've been in the aerospace industry for over 35 years. This is my personal experience I can't speak for others.
Companies can have a policy in practice. In real life, the person who holds up delivery when the salespeople and the bosses worry the customer will go to a competitor next time if delivery is late will still be unpopular. A no-blame policy usually means no blame for the people at the top.
So like if they had 5 inspectors and hired 1 more, that would be a 20% increase in the number of inspectors.
The CEO will supply a bag with bolts with each plane for the client to complete if they wish… 😢😢
Genius. Just start selling Boeing 737 kits. Choose self assembly or unscheduled disassembly.
About time that the FAA takes some real steps. Let's just hope they are actually taking them and not just trying to look good. I for one will continue to avoid all 737 MAX planes if I can help it.
I've worked on them and I will fly on them since the single point of failure has been eliminated. How much do you really know about what steps the FAA is taking? How many years have you been working in Aviation?
@@Davesworld7 I have enough confidence in the plane. It's a proven airframe that has just caught flak because someone somewhere (possibly spirit (also boeing when it comes to MCAS)) sat on their ass watching their phone instead of checking airframes before shipment to washington.
It was inevitable that the investigation would expand to Spirit. There seems to be different issues going on, some Boeing employees and Spirit aren't on the same page as to how these plugs need to be delivered. Sounds like different specs in different plants. The production quality issues which have plagued both companies recently are a second, serious issue
Of course, the investigation would expand to Spirit! They install the plugs into the fuselage before the fuselage is put in a train and sent to Renton, WA. The same plugs have been in use for over 20 years on the 737-900 NextGen for Alaska and United and installed in Wichita. It is purely an escapement, not a design issue, it's poor workmanship plain and simple. Plugs are not delivered. They come preinstalled from Spirit as I said previously. If they are actually bolted in, they will not fail.
I should also mention that I have worked on both the 737-900 Next Gen and the 737-9 Max for Boeing. The fact that this is a max has nothing to do with it this time around in case anyone gets any ideas. Same fuselage structure.
@@Davesworld7 Boing has made a big mistake not reprimanding the inspector thar signed for the bolts.
@@jayreiter268 How do you know they didn't reprimand anyone?
@@Davesworld7 If so they should have publicized it in some way.
@@jayreiter268 They probably did, the media failed you if you didn't know about it. They are too busy trying to equate this with a completely different incident that was NOT workmanship like this one.
They obviously don't have enough quality inspectors yet to check that the fasteners that hold the aircraft together are
A)actually there.
B) tightened to the correct torque
If they did the bloody door wouldn't have blown off!
How they missed QC on that door is beyond understanding.
@@MegaTriumph1 Well they upped the QC inspectors by 20%.
So went from 5 inspectors to 6 perhaps?
If an inspector looks at 100 units and finds nothing wrong then the boss tells him the next 100 units need to be done much quicker how diligent will the inspector be on that batch?
The inspector wants to keep his job; the boss does not want a reduced bonus for not getting the goods out.
In South Africa they use the term Load Shedding for around the clock rolling electricity blackouts, now I see Boeing has caught on by using Quality Escapes for shoddy workmanship.
Quality Escape is nice wording for eff-up.
@@doneB830.Here in the us we call insufficient grid management, rolling blackouts. BTW heading for CPT next Wednesday, for the weekend, on a different Boeing product.
@@bdmvy Bring candles 🤣
Hold on a minute.. it wasn't a door blowing off.. it was a door plug... therefore it was part of the passenger cabin wall (inclusive of a structure known as a door plug) that ejected from the aircraft... big difference... a door is an assembly that actuates.. the wall and door plug have none of those requirements...
This plug can also actuate. If locking bolts are removed it can slide up past its brackets and opened during maintenance if needed. Yes it’s a plug, but it’s also kinda a door that’s just fixed in place.
Full name of this part is "Emergency exit door plug door".
You are correct sir .. Merlin,Metro liners,etc used Clic clacks to shut cabin doors but when closed were part of the fuselage. Designed that way
It's basically a basic dummy door 🚪 with the same attaching points & should have security bolts 🔩 & safety wire to prevent the door from rising on its springs like a normal door & detaching.
If seating capacity is increased, the plug door can be removed & a normal door fitted or vice versa. Also the plug door is removed after fuselage is delivered to Boeing from the subcontractor Spirit to allow easier assembly of the planes interior.
While I do agree that we should specify that it was a door plug, anything that closes a hole on an aircraft that is not permanently fastened is considered a door. Bolts are not permanent fasteners.
They should have sued Boeing, not Alaska Airline
Loving your coverage of this issue.
Unfortunately, the airline I use has a few MAX 8s in their fleet. I ended up on one on my last return flight. At least the engines were impressive, but you just worry what is the next fault that has been swept under a carpet. I hope I can see if it is one, or their proven 737-800s when I book again. I know one of their pilots, and he surprised me how displeased he is with Boeing, even before the MAX had any bad record. I wish the company had A220s and A321s.
There's no need to worry about a next fault with this type
Why isn't he displeased with the FAA for sitting in their hands for a decade?
Surprisingly, the 737-8 has not had any major defects for a long while and seems to be their most reliable coming out of the factory.
@@y00t00b3r The FAA has had its funding slashed therefore it has to allow the plane builders to do in-house inspections. I wondered who has been spending millions on lobbying for the slashing of the FAA budget?
Look on the bright side, you could get the chance to sue them one day. You know, glass half full :)
The 4 avatars of Boeing problems: B37M, B38M, B39M, B3XM. (These are the ICAO codes for each MAX variant)
This now means zero since this plane being a max has nothing to do with poor workmanship on a 20+ year-old plug design. I have worked on both the 737-900 NextGen and the 737-9 Max at Boeing and yes, set the ICAO codes on the flightline. The fact that this happened on a max has nothing to do with it being a max, it is the exact same fuselage structure and the exact same door plugs that have existed since the 2000s when the 737-900 Next Gen first rolled out. I still don't know what point you are trying to make if there actually is a point.
You probably shouldn't assume that the media is on to something when they draw parallels that have nothing to do with the fact that this was an escapement due to poor workmanship at Spirit and this could easily have happened on a 737-900 in 2006 but their sensationalism worked on you didn't it? This is why they do what they do. They make money off of your reaction to their every word.
The booking portals offer selections limited to direct flights or free luggage, I want the option to exclude 737MAX from the list
Me too. Though admittedly I solve the problem by picking an airline that only uses Airbus aircraft.
Ty dj!!
This is the first time your news is relevant to me directly. I am traveling for work. My original Alaksa Airlines flight back home was cancelled because it was on a Max 9. Thankfully I was able to transfer to a 737-900 NG flight but a day later.
Alaska Airlines may be wishing they kept some of their acquired Airbus Aircraft. Some A321s could really come in handy right now.
News flash , Anthony Blinkens 737 just made an emergency landing in Switzerland , a pressurization alarm , nothing to see here , when told he could reboard they reset the alarm , Blinken said " are you nuts ? " and rented a jet.
Thanks for this!
And his 737 is apparently so bad they even gave the reporters on the plane extra visas to Azerbaijan, if the refueling stop there lead to a grounding!
How can the US roll around the world looking like this?! Aren't they ashamed?
My former company (non-aviation) was very quick to put out “Safety is our No 1 priority” but our contractors and members of the public continued to be killed over the years. I always thought “Remaining blameless to avoid legal action” would have more catchy, accurate and honest.
Safety before profits, but it will never happen, too many shareholders
This wont happen to any other company in the world too. it just wont happen. too many shareholders and no company will exist
this is at least the 3rd series of 737 grounded. Anyone remember the NG series
DJ, any chance you can chase down the various photos of the loose bolts sound by airlines with grounded Max9s? And do a report?
Spirit outsourcing of their own...
Malaysian plant was responsible for plug door that blew off on the max 9.
Let's get your QC In your own house and your other plants around the world .
Wanna bet the (Malaysian-made?) plug door was just fine, it was the INSTALLATION at Spirit that was shoddy?
The plug isn't suspect , ASSEMBLY IS 👎
Who built the plug was not an issue. That plug has been being built the same way for twenty years. The person who installed it and the person who bought it off is where the escapement lies.
@@Halli50 it isnt completely installed at Spirit, it is taken out again an Boeing to fit the interior
We had Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction." Sure, Boeing can have "quality escapes."
As I understood it Spirit builds the fuselage including the plug door, but during installing the interior Boeing removes it for better accessibility, which makes Boeing, not Spirit, responsible for the final assembly
First thing I want to know is, does Spirit do DEI hiring.
Unless the CEO resigns...and the new one says..." Safety is number one priority "...
there's zero hope from Boeing
Keep in mind that the FAA has 3 primary goals: finding anyone to blame other than themselves, putting a positive light on their DEI agenda, and getting public pressure off their backs.
The term quality 'escape' is ridiculous. Quality control is not something that can 'escape', it's clearly a failure and Boeing should pay for the lack attitude. No 'escaping' their failure here.
Carefully crafted evasive language. Typical executive BS
FAILURE?
Exactly. It’s a manufacturing and quality control failure.
100% agree, this is word salad with a huge dollop of vomit!!!! It doesn’t matter how they word it, mince it or spin it, it’s still a monstrous failure of epic proportions, there is just NO quality control oversight, because if there was, this would not have happened!!!!
You just need to translate "We had a quality escape" to "We fucked up 5 times on the same part again"
"quality escapes" - i love that. quality negligence is more like it, though
How can you miss these bolts? Even the people put the panels on should’ve seen them. It wouldn’t take much of a eye to catch that. I’m sure I would’ve seen it.
Yes the passengers and the pilots should take legal action against Boeing and Alaska airlines for what they have been put through mentally and physically mentioning the safety aspect too.
Any errors such as these should have been caught and corrected immediately upon a number of quality inspections along the way and most certainly should have been found and fixed at the very least at the final inspection in Seattle. What are final inspections for??? 😒😟
Spirit in Wichita definitely needs improvements in their production assembly process and inspection procedures but Spirit Wichita sure seems to be an easy target 🎯 for placement of blame by corporate Boeing and Spirit upper management. 😔😔
Corporate. We love saying corporate
There are other entities possibly involved, that have not received near-enough attention in this scenario. I refer to the after-market customization shops, that provide and install the passenger entertainment doo-dads, according to what the carrier wants to offer in their marketing. On board wi-fi and cellular telephone service specifically, require additional hardware, installed to the airframe, in order to provide the customer experience as promised in ads. Neither Boeing or Spirit are involved at any point, with that "modification work" within the Boeing QMS. It's done by "small" shops, supposedly goverened by FAA Regulations, but perhaps they don't have robust inspection activities before the airframe is returned to the owner?
Alaska didn't do this. Spirit didn't do this. Boeing did and they are the ones who need to be held accountable.
3:45 A statement from Boeing: "We will improve customer experience by making passenger seats fully washable and stain resistant."
Every time i see this video footage, i only imagine Boeing putting the fuselage backwards on the wings.
Criminal liability should not just end in court...
Where should it end up then?
@DennisMerwood-xk8wp
Actual punishment to persuade any other parties from behaving in a criminally negligent way and relying on lawyers and money to insulate them from justice...
@@janwitts2688 Are you saying Boeing is criminally negligent? Does that make every other aircraft manufacturer who has had a fatality negligent? Was DeHavilland a criminal Company? Or McDonnell Douglas? Or Airbus?
@DennisMerwood
Law is law... perhaps you need to think of how terrible it would be if you and everyone you cared about was placed on an aircraft that was built by diversity hires and not properly inspected due to the owners of the firm knowing they will never see a jail cell due to the law being corrupted by their money... after all it would be just terrible if you and yours were horribly killed because someone hired an unskilled person and let them not tighten a bolt resulting in your body being jettisoned from an aircraft mid-flight.... in your last moments of thought you could see your palls being frted out of the aircraft after you and then just as you were about to loose consciousness you would be low enough to breath and may even enjoy the view of your own descent... the rest of us however would prefer that law was upheld so we could retain our dignity...
Love your content and thoroughness. Accept your apology for the very minor error which strengthens my trust in you. All the best.
All this outside attention to Quality Control, is the best thing for Boeing.
Pay attention to folks like Bill McGee, Ed Pierson on stock buybacks, manufacturing outsourcing, airline maintenance outsourcing overseas, McDonnell Douglas corporate culture, Jack Welch GE negative influence, woefully underfunded and understaffed FAA, much more dirty laundry
Reminder that the 737 Max door plug is the same as the 20+ design used on the 737-900 Nextgen door plug. The fuselage of the Max is nearly the identical to NextGen baring the obvious electronics packages. So the plant this is being assembled at should have a microscope checking everything and should be taken as a good thing. Inspections are not bulletproof and we all know what we already do - changes come due to some event.
Somehow i suspect the focus of these companies is mainly centered on profit above all
Heads is better than percentage, for example if 5 inspectors the 20 percent i 1 extra.
So the root cause of the door plug's failure has yet to be disclosed and I seriously doubt it ever will be. The airplane involved was last seen being worked on outside, under partial canopy, by a 3rd Party that installed its Satellite WiFi system. So far they claim they did not work on the area of the fusilage where the failure occured, but they also did not specifically state whether they did or did not remove that door plug temporarily to access the area they did work on. Probable Cause - Dan Gryder did a story on this. Check it out.
The same Dan Gryder who showed that Google maps image that clearly showed the ladder was set against the fuselage and the door which would block it from being opened
It was revealed the plug door was built by Spirit in Malaysia. I believe the 787 fan cowl is also built in Malaysia. CHEAP LABOR IS NOT SKILLED LABOR, SKILLED LABOR IS NOT CHEAP!
Saying “being all Boeing is a commitment and we are proud to have all Boeing aircrafts” and then admitting they will inspect the aircrafts after delivery is like someone in an abusive relationship saying that they can’t leave because they are in a commitment. They are both relationships with no trust. It’s no secret Boeing is loosing an asinine amount of money and they are trying to make it up where they can. The whistleblower that came out from Boeing that worked on the max line said he will not fly on any of the MAX aircrafts. That says enough to me.
"Proudly all Boeing" ya look where got you Eskimos
How many videos are gonna make of this
Pax from California Sueing there's a shock. If it weren't for th professionalism of the Alaska crew maybe something worse would have happened, Sue Boeing.
It is great that Boeing increased the amount of their inspectors, but what is also needed is more inspections of their sub-contractors that are responsible for more than half of the assembly of the aircraft. Too many hands in the cookie jar. When Boeing was doing more in house there were not the number of screw-ups that are occurring now. They fail to remember that Boring is the name on the aircraft, and it is Boeing that takes the fall when there is a foul-up.
I fear at this rate, it'll be "Boeing... Boeing... Gone!"
Alaska airlines loves to put Freddie Fender on its Tail 😮
Its so difficult to keep up with the 737MAX types..is the MAX10's fuselage longer than the MAX9? Is it approved as yet? Does it have this as a door or a plug?
Some say yes some say no but it is longer and is still yet to be approved. hopefully EIS next year
Yes. No. Depends.
the door will need too be active on the Max 10 due to over 180 passenger so need doors for evac and extra cabin crew
I hope Alaska Airlines doesn't neglect to grease the jack screws on the horizontal stablizers on their aircraft. Flight 261.
Alaska air also uses embrer
The door did not blow off. It was in fact a quality escape.
That is not the CEO you have on your video
Boeing have been using " Lean Manufacturing" for many years and push their suppliers to do likewise.
They might disagree, but this approach puts speed of assembly ahead of every other consideration.
The people who assemble the aircraft work against the clock on a moving assembly line with the time allocated to their part of the process measured to the second.
No amount of quality inspection will find the faults buried in the assembly, caused by too much emphasis on haste.
Lean Manufacturing as it was conceived puts quality ahead of everything and empowers everyone involved to find, fix and prevent errors as soon as they are encountered. Whatever Boeing has been doing is only Lean by name...
Which 737?
Spirit should cover the lawsuits
Is spirit part of the group that became nonunion to save money?
Spirit? Going trying to save too?
The Boeing 737 Max 8-200 has the same emergency exit door, but only the Boeing 737 Max 9 is Grounded?
The Max 8-200 doesn’t have plugs. It has an actual door
Kinda miss the DC 9 Douglas not MacDonald
The name is McDonnell NOT MacDonald!!! They made aircraft and not rubbish hamburgers.
Ok I fly burger king 👑
Remember the problems the USAF had with QA on the KC-46? It seems to be an endemic problem with Boeing recently.
And airbus
@@nickolliver3021 are you still trying to pretend Airbus is just as bad as Boeing?
@@tomstravels520Is that a problem to you still? Fanboyism at its best boo hoo
@@nickolliver3021 you are in no position to talk about fanboyism kid.
@@tomstravels520 Neither are you to talk about the comparison of apples and oranges. 🥱
Airbus is just grabbing the popcorn at this point 😅
If all they have is Boeing they might as well pretend that was a great choice. 🙂
Nothing is going to come of the lawsuits. This was an issue with Boeing and not something airline maintenance could be reasonably expected to find. This is a door plug, not a deactivated door. The plaintiffs need to sue Boeing, and drop the lawyers who didn't tell them this.
Words, words, words....
In my mind, fixing this needs to be to totally change the culture at Boeing to be more like it used to be. I just don't see it happening. Sure, they'll do what they need to do to get over this, but nothing more. If the crashes of the 2 737 Maxs that killed over 300 people didn't wake them up, how will this much less serious issue change things?
I hate the phrase 'Quality Escape', as well. That alone, to me, is a clue to how they are trying hard to minimize the problems...
There was a TV documentary showing quality is rubbish at Boeing according to a whistleblower
Looks like they must have found the big box of Bolts in the trunk of the car of the man who was suppose to fit them?
Ahh MacDonald Douglas i mean Boeing
Is there any anticipation this will affect the Alasker Airline/Hawaiian Airline merger.
1:42 “we Remain focused on the quality of each aircraft” - is “remain” a threat? :)
Alaska should have taken that aircraft out of service and resolved the pressurization issue, just like they should serviced the MD80, better known as AS 261. I put equal blame on AS for not being more vigilant with safety. It could have been rectified had they took a more conservative approach. However, what has transpired, I only see as a positive, and will cause Boeing to be more proactive in making sure issues like this are not happening going forward.
Huh, what else is Spirit Aerosystems going to say?
"quality escape"
n. What happens when the ability to construct quality aircraft escapes the management of the manufacturing company.
I only want to hear what Boeing inspectors have to say. I bet they know everything.
No mention of United grounded 737-9 airplanes??
Sprit was Boeing Military
Flight radar 24 X has just released some news
Inspections taking up to 8 hours yes
I have a flight I booked through Priceline on a 737-9 on the 28th of January. Priceline will not let me cancel my flight. Try to call Alaska air 7 1/2 hour hold time. What a bad joke.
Wow, not like Spirit has been sued for their unacceptable rate of failure in their product by the investors...😂
Some musings of mine. You have been highlighting the point that the focus is on Boeing and not the Max series, which has had its fair share of issues and misfortune. However I am sure there may be a link between these many issues and the design and manufacturing of the 737 Max series. The 737 Max is an incremental upgrade to the ageing 737 series. It's not just aircraft design that evolved over time, so do manufacturing processes, tooling and assembly methods. Is it possible that the old design and a drive not to redesign ancient tooling makes the 737 max series a more complicated plane to manufacture than the 20 years newer A320 design. If you see the ramp up on production rates of Boeing, pressures on an already overstretched workforce with legacy production processes and a labour intensive assembly, the pressure on humans for assembly and inspection is huge, you are potentially creating a perfect storm.
As long as a "system" involves humans interacting with inanimate hardware, in order to create something very complicated from a vast collection of individual pieces, opportunities will remain for non-compliance of completed hardware with design intent. With the modern condition of acquiring technical training in meticulous physical assembly work being very unappealing to at least two generations of prospective employees, all manufacturing companies are hampered in obtaining highly skilled and competent workers to do these levels of complex work.
That's QUALITY FAILURES, not B/S, euphemistic "Escapes".
The Quality Program FAILED when it allowed "Escapes", and the issue isn't the "Escapes", themselves.
I've been part of several 'recovery' operations like this and my experience is the desperation and tunnel vision that will accompany Boeing's efforts and FAA oversight because THEY ARE ALL GUILTY OF LETTING THINGS COME TO THIS STATE.
“Escape” is the worst possible case of a manufacturing failure. It’s the opposite of a euphemism.
ITS NOT A FAILURE. too dramatic as a word.
Exactly. Boeing’s assembly quality control failed and failed hard when they allowed their aircraft out to a customer with an improperly assembled door plug. In the very least it should have been noticed during the Boeing quality control process.
If you focus on profit quality does go down and then profit goes down. The standard for quality is perfection nothing else. Boeing employ the army of quality people you decided you did not need in the past, get rid of all project managers to pay for the quality people. It is the only way you will get people to want to fly in the max.
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It was NOT a door that blew off, but a door PLUG
Semantics. Go outside and touch grass or something
Quality escapes my ass. They are dealing with peoples lives here and money will never EVER replace them. They are losing trust over time. Cutting cost just made them lose more.
There is no "bottom" of the quality escapes at Boeing. There is no definitive answer to the problems with an airliner with an estimated four million parts.
Alaska could buy just ONE Airbus 320 and compare if it's flights will carry more passengers than a Max on the same flight number... Then Alaska will see how many pax are avoiding Max.
Welp, Southwest, United, and Alaska are not going to be considered as a travel option for any flights going forward.
How did this hokey looking door plug even get approved by the FAA in the first place? It’s all about money and short cuts before it even gets to the airlines. I’m glad I retired from airline aircraft line maintenance when I did. I would not want my name attached to any of this mess. Nor it being attached to a crash where passengers died!