The Importance Of Deno 2.0
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- I am actually pretty hyped about Deno 2.0 and you should be too.
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Deno regardless of version is incredibly important because it represents a clean slate opportunity. No garbage CJS/require, only ES modules, built in TypeScript. Those alone eradicate a whole set of problems and footguns.
Now that Deno is compatible with NPM, doesn't that imply that they had to support CJS
@@voidmind They support it from NPM, but fortunately they don't let you use it outside of that.
@@lloydatkinson8030 With Deno 2 you can do that if your file has `.cjs` extension
I really love deno for the capability and permission model, which allows us to run untrusted code without much worries. It's a niche use case, but it makes data protection pretty easy
I'm increasingly thinking that most commentors don't watch the videos at all... This comment directly contradicts main points of the announcement.
Theo misunderstood what `deno bundle` does. Deno bundle just works as a bundler such as `esbuild`, combining source files to one file. What Theo described was `deno compile` which WAS NOT deprecated. Deno compile still very much exists.
This ^^w
Expecting Theo to read 😂. Dude barely skims something, goes on a rant, then proceeds to pretend like his rant is what the article talks about. He’s just filling in YT watch time at this point, I doubt he actually gives 2 sh*ts about any of it.
@@anonymousalexander6005 yeah he often says x or y is so cool and exciting, then proceeds to still use only react & nextjs
i actually am excited about deno 2.0 and will use it for all my personal projects if it really fulfills its promises (no pun intended)
@@anonymousalexander6005 Don't think he's not giving a shit, maybe he just thinks he can do 50 things without compromising the quality, which is impossible but wouldn't undermine the effort from couple of mistakes.
Deno is doing major work, it's just a question of time until I play with it. The standard library + linting + formatting completely part of the language makes so much sense 😭
The doc test feature is one of the reasons that I love rust so much. Glad that deno is getting it now as well.
In 4 years we will have "6 things i regret about DENO" and them the release of DONE, its a cycle
naa there's atleast 10 years before they get to done, next is gonna be like enod, oned etc until they get to done
Thanks fireship
deezode
This really does feels like the first version of Deno I'd actually consider using
Feels like Deno made a lot of bets on the ecosystem moving way quicker than it has and now they've rolled back so it's possible for people to actually use it before they run out of money
Theo is sometimes pronouncing "Deno" the way Ryan Dahl originally pronounced it, but he and the rest of the org agreed to pronounce it "Dee-no" in 2020.
What about "executable" and "attributes"? Is this a West Coast thing? I'm from the Midwest and we pronounce it differently.
They should have gone with dee yes
The nice thing about the moustache devs reacting to the same content is that I can watch the one that has dark reader installed.
Not mentioning vercel in a video challenge: impossible
29:41 Funny you mention, there was a recent syntax episode with i believe the creator of Tauri where they said with the new Deno release they would consider adding runtimes for it
On syntax’s page “Is Tauri the Electron Killer” at about 11 minutes for anyone wondering!
I think one of the developers of Tauri said on a podcast that their main problem wasn't the JS engine Tauri uses, but rather Webkit itself. Unlike Electron, where it just bundles Chrome and Node by itself. Tauri apps aim to just have the minimal JS and Rust bundle, leveraging existing tools in the OS itself to deliver a cross platform experience. Of course, in practice, that is not the case, which is why the only true cross-platform no OS specific code runtime/environment is the browser.
its pronounced deeno, its literally a dinosaur in the logo...
In which case it would be pronounced dino, but its pronounced deeno(rightfully so but still)
@@ARandomUserOfThisWorld dino is pronounced deeno in german
AKCHEWALLY… I used to be Fred Flintstone at a Hanna Barbara theme park and my pet dinosaur was named DINO, not Deno.
I must be the only one confused here by your comments.
you are saying it's deeno. and thern mention the DINOsaur logo.
and then backing that up with some stuff about Germany... uhm then what was the stuff about the dinosaur.
you mean deen .. z nuts?
What you're talking about when commenting deno bundle is actually deno compile, which is not deprecated.
And so, for creating native executables, deno still supports compile. On the other hand, for bundling JS for the web, they are now advising to use ESBuild 😁
Saying JavaScript is the true Unix gave me an aneurysm
It seems like Ryn read the problem and solved it correctly and very well. Very good job.
Wow! Finaly we can consider using deno instead of node without invalidated our currently projects
I am waiting for DONE rc
Hyper?
Deno Deploy (and Deno KV and Deno Queues, and Deno Cron) is also based af and is going to give Cloudflare and Vercel a run for their money.
That is NOT how you use "based"
But i fully agree Deno Deploy is amazing. I use it for one of my services that gets a few million requests a day with no issues
Love deno. TS setup/configured out of the box, better handling of libs, ect.
Makes spinning up web server/API seamless
TIL Deno 2.0 is out now. I've been using it for a scraping project I started last night. Neat. Will update later
the bun pun in the very beginning got me 😂
How does deno compare to bun?
Everyone's so worried about misgendering people, but then completely disregard the correct pronunciation of names...
It's pronounced "dee-no", just look it up! It's literally the first thing on the Wikipedia page or Deno docs
26:30 I fully suport that state of mind.
Permissions are second most annoying part of deno. To be able to run any meaningful project you have to grant bunch of permissions. But then all malicious packages get them too. So nothing changes at cost of extra work
The face in the thumbnail always makes me not wanna click these videos but I admit the content is good so I watch it anyway.
I’m concern about production disk usage of Deno 2. May you make a video for it?
feels like they’re taking steps in the right direction but still not on the same level as bun tbh
Funny. It's significantly better than Bun. Bun will forever be the Ruby of JS runtimes.
Bun is just rewriting Node in Zig and Jscore with some Deno feature, imho it's not that compelling
They're just hyping that bun is faster than node and deno while cherry picking benchmarks
I don't think node and npm support in bun is better than deno
Tbf bun younger than deno, so in the future it might be better
I don't think bun have webgpu and jupyter notebook support too
You're confused about tauri - it uses the system webview instead of bundling *chromium*, it has nothing to do with V8 binding. It also doesn't bundle a JS runtime because you write the backend in Rust.
Thank you so much for this video
I love Tauri since my exported app size is 1.2mb rather than minimum 88mb for Electron. For simple things not dealing with the Rust layer, it's great. You don't need your chat/alarm clock/list app to come bundled with Playstation controller drivers.
I like tauri, what is your problem with it specifically?
His problem is Rust. He hates that Rust is not as loose as TS and forces you to write more correct programs, thus hurting "iteration speed"
Really if it contains Rust, he hates it. He even was critical agains Turbopack by Vercel being written in Rust
@@araozu While I overall disagree on his Rust takes, that is NOT AT ALL why he doesn't like it. He specifically mentioned he doesn't like the fact that Tauri relies on native browser thingies embedded in operating systems, which I'm assuming is because it's not a consistent experience cross-platform.
@@comradepeter87 I don't see how much different is this from making websites... and in the end it's more like 2 (or 3, now with Android and iOS support) engines that you have to support, most of them are using WebKit like Linux, MacOS and iOS (I don't know which engine do Android use to be honest), the only different one is Windows, that uses WebView2. I can see how this can be a pain in the ass depending on your application, but isn't it as difficult as using something like Electron? Since most of the time what I see is companies using one Electron app for the desktop and having another app built using React Native, Flutter or going straight up with Java, Kotlin or Swift for mobile. Isn't this inconsistent enough?
For these reasons I'll continue using Tauri, especially v2 that can now compile to mobile.
But it really misunderstands the whole philosophy of Tauri. The idea of Tauri is that you shouldn’t need to package the entire runtime to run an application. Putting in V8 would kill one of the main attractions to using Tauri and honestly if you’re using something so esoteric that you’re worried about chrome vs safari javascript incompatibilities, you probably shouldn’t use Tauri, or write your logic in rust to begin with.
When running simulations in one another, be careful when you go deeper then 3 levels :D
is Deno interchangeable with Node? I wanted to get into TypeScript to use it with Tauri, but I'm not a frontend guy. If Deno now is the hot new thing, should I use it instead of Node? Am I asking stupid questions here?
30:00 Check out Dioxus sometime and see what you think about their approach. It's comparatively younger than Tauri, but I haven't looked back after picking up Dioxus.
I call it, Den-o
Under semver, breaking changes under 0.x version means increasing the minor number, not the major version.
So a breaking change in 0.10.4 would result in 0.11.0.
I like deno’s permissions but wish they let you sandbox the filesystem access so it could only access a certain folder instead of my entire system
Node is not stuck with gyp. Node doesn't want to invest in smth else. There's a cmake module that you can use for building C++ Node modules with so much ease. Don't know if it's still maintained or not. But don't say they're stuck on Gyp because they can unstuck themselves whenever they want.
The Birth & Death of JavaScript is starting to look more real than ever expected...
NOICE!
Python DOES have packagers to make executable files. I use them all the time for people who don't want to learn anything
Refer to your video Stop using new tech (seriously). Deno 2 effect
its DEENO, have you seen the flintstones?
they wrote that whole post and not one mention of bun
Dont worry bun lovers..
Bun is still much faster than bun
So this Deno thingy can run.. literally everything? Browser code, node code, anything wasm AND anything C? What kind of genius code wizard could come up with it?
Have a look at Astral UV for Python. I had the similar headaches and it pretty much solved them.
Ryan says "dee-no"
Only for it seems overcomplicated? They tried to simplify but brought even more configs to configure and new syntax 😂
While it's nice that you all cover this news. I am a tad frustrated. After Prime covered it, I went to deno expecting it would be ready to use. It's a RC. There are not even easy to find instructions for install. I'll stay a little longer on node/npm then.
`deno upgrade rc`
@@BlackAsLight448 Exactly. One has to install deno v1 then upgrade. No fresh direct install.
does theo use Deno in prod
im also a dinosaurius
x-eh-cute-uh-bowl
Correction, ex-eh-cute-uh-bull
@@TrulySinclair I like that better
how would you pronounce the logo? its a DINOsaur..... i cant watch this video with how you are pronouncing deno.. go with deeno or dyno
Uh... I am so unqualified to weigh-in on this pronunciation. But given the branding, isn't it obviously pronounced "Dino"? 🦖🤔
Don't think there's any argument there, Theo even mentioned that it's suggesting "de-node-ing" which would be "dee-no" as well....
That's "dino" in the Flintstones sense!
@@Tekapeel and yet he says “Deh-no” about half the time. But I can’t tell if he’s trolling… just heard him pronounce “gist” (as in a GitHub gist) with a hard g, and it felt like a troll.
Node =>Deno =>Done?
Can anyone let me know which port manager tool he is suggesting 18:11 want to try it out
He said it, raycast with port manager extension i believe
11:02 - Nuitka doesn't help? ;-)
Pretty good video as always
Pronouncing executable like executive is definitely something, great video though!
30:11
I literally spent 3 hours into searching things about this idea, Rusty_v8 + Some webview
Then I have came to the conclusion that if I use Rusty_v8, I will have to implement all the Native APIs myself,
which is exactly what NodeJS/ Deno did 🤣
So I might just use Deno + Rust + Wry to make the library 😂
Theo your videos have gotten so dark! more light!!!
Bun
node projects are build to break
This guy said JS is the true Unix? Have you no shame at all lol
It’s deeno
So basically, deno 2.0 doesn't matter at all and this is just a hype video.
You should have read the article before making this video
gyp has to be the worst name for a technical project since GIMP arguably worse since it's going to be heard as a slur 🙃
Its pronounced de-no like d yes and d no.
Would you be interested in covering how ABBYY fired its every Russian citizen employee (not in Russia, the ones they themselves relocated elsewhere - Cyprus, Serbia, Hungary)? I know it's not exactly your wheelhouse, but you called out Cloudflare on their bs, so maybe. I think that needs coverage.
deno deploy pricing is insane tbh, more expensive than vercel
maybe because they using GCP instead AWS
@@IyaRivvikyn 0 sense, GCP is not more expensive than AWS
So i should go for the thing that the guy built wrong the first time ? 🙂
Tell you what, f*ck this runtime wars, let's just stick to Internet Explorer. They did it so right they don't even release new versions anymore, like literally nothing to improve.
TypeScript support is cool, but when will someone write JavaScript 2.0? I don't wanna see this ugly and mess TS syntax anymore
first!
Also good to see you talking about deno, what about bun?
nevermind ig bun is deno...
Deno is pronounced "deeno" (dēno)
It's 2024, takes 1 quick search to know how to pronounce a word.
It's actually really interesting how far people will go to avoid changing their behavior. Saying "I don't care" is relatively mild. In more extreme cases people will actually say they hate or actively avoid people who do things they don't want to learn
But sometimes authors insist on obviously stupid ways to pronounce things they named. “Vite” is the best example: no one would ever call it “veet” if they didn’t specify it
English is not the best language when it comes to figuring out how to pronounce words based on their spellings only btw
@@Мартынов-х3ъ I'm not sure you can confidently say that about vite, has there been some representative survey to that effect? The first time I saw "vite" i pronounced it... vite, because it's a word I already knew so it was the easiest way to intuitively pronounce it. Vite pronounced "Vight" isn't a word apart from maybe in the world of scam supplement companies.
@@Tekapeel no i don’t refer to any researches, but for me it’s kinda obvious to pronounce it like “vight”. I mean, there are lime, time, wise, rise, side and a lot of other words of the same structure. Don’t you have any background in French?
@@Мартынов-х3ъ The entire English language is full of words that are pronounced inconsistently.
deno is no longer interesting because it's caved from its initial vision. but they raised investor money and have to play catch up now
Very demure very mindful
U r just bad in python 🫠
I'll watch the video anyway, BUT when the official promo says /diːnoʊ/, then you really should care just enough to drop your former mispronunciation and start using the one used by the damn creator. Is it really THAT hard? 🙃