How to Fight (and Win) an Information War | Peter Pomerantsev | TED

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  • @carolyncarlson6410
    @carolyncarlson6410 Місяць тому +342

    The hardest thing is to witness so many good people not questioning the absurd, as though they were under a spell, now discovering their lives will probably be changed in unfortunate ways. They were afraid before based on manipulation of truth, now terrifying hard reality is being revealed more every day

    • @PicoPistolero
      @PicoPistolero Місяць тому +53

      "Those who can convince you to believe absurdities Can convince you to commit atrocities". -Voilaire

    • @wbillich
      @wbillich 26 днів тому +17

      Lol, I wonder what you are referring to? As a former scientist turned teacher, I too am concerned with the anti intellectual movement occuring.

    • @malcifer85
      @malcifer85 26 днів тому +15

      Yes but in that hrd reality there is an opening to wake up those under the spell. At least the ones that were manipulated, the otherwise normal people who don't truly wish harm and we ant to do the right thing deep down. There are always "true believers" who know exactly what they are supporting and willingly commit to it but they will be a small number in comparison. Sadly most people don't care about things untill they directly effect them.

    • @peterpinn5330
      @peterpinn5330 13 днів тому

      What is absurd? If everything that is not in line with the government is absurd (Ukraine war, Corona, LTB, CO2,...) and object to lynchisme, it is propaganda.

    • @tracyholmes9193
      @tracyholmes9193 12 днів тому +1

      Well said.

  • @ronkirk5099
    @ronkirk5099 2 місяці тому +303

    "History is important. If you don't know history it's as if you were born yesterday. And if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." ~Howard Zinn

    • @StopWhining491
      @StopWhining491 Місяць тому +5

      Sefton Delmer: fighting fire with fire.

    • @LemoUtan
      @LemoUtan Місяць тому +1

      Unpersuaded by a faulty syllogism, nevertheless sympathetic.

    • @factChecker01
      @factChecker01 Місяць тому +9

      "We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
      - Georg Hegel, (1770-1831)

    • @elinhulldin5926
      @elinhulldin5926 27 днів тому +6

      What learning from history means: Do what worked before and don't repeat mistakes.
      What people hear: That used to belong to us and you hurt us once, we have to get back for that.

  • @robertginsburg8113
    @robertginsburg8113 24 дні тому +60

    We need more conversations like this. Hanging out with our bubble buddies doesn't move the nations narrative.

  • @KimiPersonal
    @KimiPersonal 26 днів тому +46

    This gives me a little hope. I’d love to hear about who’s running these operations and how to get involved.

  • @niarudle
    @niarudle 2 місяці тому +152

    I wish he went more into detail on how we could do this today.

    • @sciamachy9838
      @sciamachy9838 Місяць тому +28

      I'm writing an essay on how to crack down populism in the EU today: this video was a gold mine: simply take the 3 points written behind and think a lot about them today. for example: foster an alternative community: not one based on nationality but maybe on class, on a neighbourhood and a sense of local community (that one that in the 60s existed), on some idk being gentle or respectful to people, caring about the environment, food whatever... and now with social media is super easy to do. its difficult to engage people online but once you succeed in it its super easy

    • @mimavox-swe
      @mimavox-swe Місяць тому +1

      The real tricky thing in the US, I guess is to figure out how to get through the Fox News propaganda machine.

    • @RegCostello
      @RegCostello Місяць тому

      ​​@@sciamachy9838But who is physically going to do this? Who will provide the funding? I think it's very unlikely that it will happen. I would love it to, but authoritarian propaganda will always be 1000 times more powerful than anything from free countries.

    • @stevep4131
      @stevep4131 Місяць тому +25

      What I took from this video is it isn't about details. It's about emotions.
      So don't waste your time with facts and logic.

    • @RegCostello
      @RegCostello Місяць тому +9

      @@stevep4131 Sefton Delmer and his broadcasts are facts and the way they worked is logic.

  • @VCE4
    @VCE4 25 днів тому +73

    Great TED talk
    The man is right - ignoring, assaulting or insulting people stuck in a echo chamber will not make overall situation better. We need, somehow, reach out to them.

    • @Zen_gineer
      @Zen_gineer 18 днів тому +1

      And listen to them.

    • @piotrkosztirko438
      @piotrkosztirko438 11 днів тому

      ​Absolutely. But listen without approving any of their BS​@@Zen_gineer

  • @davidstorrs
    @davidstorrs 29 днів тому +267

    Problem: the social media platforms that would be an essential part of this project are owned and operated by and for the right wing billionaires who caused the original problem.

    • @Marvinmartion
      @Marvinmartion 28 днів тому +18

      Unfortunately true!

    • @Ermude10
      @Ermude10 27 днів тому +22

      Then do it via the mainstream media! Oh wait...

    • @gopodge
      @gopodge 26 днів тому +12

      UA-cam does seem pretty neutral as a platform and getting off right wing platforms is easy. You can't help others but like the example above, they used alternate platforms (radio) to draw the deluded away.

    • @NonyaBusinessXXLsuspenders
      @NonyaBusinessXXLsuspenders 26 днів тому +22

      ​@@gopodgeThe problem is the algorithmic approach only lets you see what you want to see. You can easily sit in an echo chamber. That doesn't make it biased one way or another. UA-cam is designed to confirm your biases, regardless of affiliation.

    • @michaelmonaganmusic5683
      @michaelmonaganmusic5683 25 днів тому +17

      Create a platform that appears to be right wing, get a lot of listeners, and then work in the ideas suggested here.

  • @darylwilliams7883
    @darylwilliams7883 2 місяці тому +203

    That's a key phrase, 'facts which are counter to someone's identity bounce off'. In my part of the world for example, climate change denial is directly linked to how much of your identity, including job and finances, is linked to how important the oil and gas industry is to you. In fact, I know very intelligent people such as engineers and technicians who should know better but simply refuse to learn anything factual, out of sheer self-interest.
    Like someone said, 'The ability to convince someone of something is zero if their pay check is dependent on not believing it'. And pay check is just the most obvious 'identity' motivation. Politics is a motivation. Race is a motivation. Gender is a motivation. They all involve your most personal myths.

    • @RunninUpThatHillh
      @RunninUpThatHillh 2 місяці тому +3

      Lots of intelligent people, including scientists, disagree about climate change. Lots of people know there’s no human solution to the natural patterns of the earth. Tell yourself whatever you want about other people. I see a lot of individuals whose entire personality is gone, they really believe they have something to fight for with global warming. They feel a sense of belonging and also a feeling of superiority. Kind of like flat earthers.

    • @darylwilliams7883
      @darylwilliams7883 2 місяці тому +48

      @@RunninUpThatHillh You may want to tell yourself that but it's nothing more than a denier catch-phrase. The blunt reality is that the more you know about science the more you realize that the body of knowledge about climate and climate change is not really contestable anymore. Virtually all those who still contest it do so because their livelihood is reliant on fossil fuels, their prosperity is dependent on fossil-fuel driven basis, or increasingly their political fortunes are reliant on opposing measures to combat climate change for purely cynical and selfish reasons of political power.
      But you go ahead and comfort your inability to wrap your head around the implications of climate change by pretending there is a basis for your denial. It's too important to your identity.

    • @remyllebeau77
      @remyllebeau77 2 місяці тому

      The "learning" you demand they do is just propaganda. Science hasn't been based on truth for probably decades. You don't even know there is a "crises of science", you wouldn't know where to find the documentary or who created it.

    • @Ninja9JKD
      @Ninja9JKD 2 місяці тому

      What are you thoughts about carbon and co2?

    • @darylwilliams7883
      @darylwilliams7883 2 місяці тому +7

      @@Ninja9JKD I read the science. If you read it you will know my thoughts.

  • @DroolRockworm
    @DroolRockworm Місяць тому +337

    It’s shocking the amount of Russian disinformation trolls are in this comment, or Trump supporters. These days, you can’t tell the difference

    • @tiarabelle6155
      @tiarabelle6155 Місяць тому +1

      its coz they're both legends

    • @jeffhsu7027
      @jeffhsu7027 28 днів тому

      There's a difference?
      magats disseminating ruzzian disinformation makes them ruzzian assets in my book.

    • @theinvisibleguests
      @theinvisibleguests 28 днів тому +8

      Bingo

    • @Sarcasmarkus
      @Sarcasmarkus 25 днів тому +1

      The non partisan trolls are my favorite

    • @vivalaleta
      @vivalaleta 24 дні тому +7

      Russian disinformation?
      Tell me you've swallowed a shitload of US propaganda without telling me you've swallowed a shitload of US propaganda. lol

  • @bobgardin2347
    @bobgardin2347 27 днів тому +68

    As an urban raised, lower middle-class white male, I understand Trumpers very well and to be willfully ignorant and selfish individuals.

    • @Triple_J.1
      @Triple_J.1 26 днів тому

      Trump is a charlatan who has only managed to keep a small fraction of the wealth he has deprived others of.

    • @kdcndw1
      @kdcndw1 25 днів тому +9

      Let us not forget arrogant

  • @sailbroker6244
    @sailbroker6244 2 місяці тому +710

    “When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.” ― Edward Snowden

    • @OZMus
      @OZMus 2 місяці тому

      I want to ask this guy... with regard to the election and to this: Are you hired to dissuade truth?? I know it sucks bro but i watched legit propaganda videos both on Al Jazeera and through an islamic news source which showed fake acts of war. I dissuade them and they either disappear or i get blocked from seeing that video any longer. / Snowden is a cautionary tale, but a good one.

    • @spokojnik
      @spokojnik 2 місяці тому

      ...and he became a propagandist for sadistic dictator Putin...

    • @IqbalMaulana3-hv9zk
      @IqbalMaulana3-hv9zk 2 місяці тому +5

      Like palestinian

    • @AshLee-jb1kh
      @AshLee-jb1kh 2 місяці тому +64

      A quote by a Russian asset, who himself is Russian propaganda has nothing to do with this video.

    • @tracy419
      @tracy419 2 місяці тому +15

      ​@@AshLee-jb1khSo you disagree with the comment?

  • @rachelbraaten5285
    @rachelbraaten5285 26 днів тому +28

    Teaching the public about cognitive biases and fallacies is the most effective way to reduce the "alternative reality" he's talking about that people are living in.

    • @deshaunx776
      @deshaunx776 24 дні тому +7

      Unfortunately, this would require people to understand what cognitive biases and fallacies even mean. Comprehension and critical thinking skills are poorly addressed in schools on purpose. "Alternative reality" is grounded in confirmation bias, so they don't feel a need or desire to learn anything new. We end up preaching to the choir, and the people who need the message think that "wokeness" (enlightenment/consciousness) is problem.

    • @Th3Adjuster
      @Th3Adjuster 21 день тому +1

      people dont even know what those are, and they dont even care which is the problem

    • @charba9156
      @charba9156 10 днів тому

      Falsification of this assumption appears to be casual empirism... POMERANTSEV's talk was all about exactly this

  • @cookienibz2578
    @cookienibz2578 24 дні тому +13

    More people need to watch this.

    • @AmadeuShinChan
      @AmadeuShinChan 3 дні тому

      More people need to watch the speech Benjamin Freedman bout the Balfour declaration..

  • @W-H-O
    @W-H-O 2 місяці тому +98

    People trapped in a reality shaped by propaganda can easily fall victim to false beliefs due to religious indoctrination. Raised to believe in something regardless of objective reality, they are more inclined to accept the claims of oligarchs that align with their desires. This false reality offers comfort, and their religious upbringing has prepared them to believe in anything.

    • @RunninUpThatHillh
      @RunninUpThatHillh 2 місяці тому +4

      Incorrect. It is those suffering from faithlessness and nihilism who will fall for anything.

    • @W-H-O
      @W-H-O 2 місяці тому +37

      ​@@RunninUpThatHillh I'm not going to argue with you. It's pointless to try to reason with someone who is irrational.

    • @RunninUpThatHillh
      @RunninUpThatHillh 2 місяці тому +3

      @@W-H-O everything you think about others…maybe spend some time looking in the mirror. I have no intentions of reading another reply.

    • @frostillicus2
      @frostillicus2 2 місяці тому +2

      The religion of woke

    • @IqbalMaulana3-hv9zk
      @IqbalMaulana3-hv9zk 2 місяці тому

      I have question for you, what yor arguement for palestine israel war

  • @brandonthedev
    @brandonthedev 19 днів тому +7

    Amazing Ted talk. Don’t give up, we are strong and peace deserves to win ❤💙

  • @Griffolion0
    @Griffolion0 19 днів тому +18

    "You cannot make a man understand something if his salary depends on him not understanding it."
    -- Upton Sinclair

  • @mikaelleinonen6971
    @mikaelleinonen6971 Місяць тому +18

    This guy gives me hope!

    • @stevep4131
      @stevep4131 Місяць тому +3

      This guy makes me despair.
      Facts and logic don't count for much. You persuade most effectively through emotions.
      Principles long discovered by the advertising industry. And a sad summary of humanity.

  • @nathanngumi8467
    @nathanngumi8467 Місяць тому +14

    Very informative talk!

  • @carolyncarlson6410
    @carolyncarlson6410 Місяць тому +37

    Putin & trump use the same playbook, I imagine people in early 1940's eastern Europe must have witnessed the same with one huge difference- internet access to fact checking, which too many were too worked up to want to use. Its like they were under a terrifying spell

    • @tiarabelle6155
      @tiarabelle6155 Місяць тому

      and I like both men. :)

    • @joeferreti9442
      @joeferreti9442 Місяць тому +13

      @@tiarabelle6155 Then you are against freedom and human rights. And you seem to prefer lies over reality. Check you facts and don't let yourself be manipulated by other senses.

    • @joeferreti9442
      @joeferreti9442 Місяць тому +1

      Trump indeed uses russian methods to manipulate the people.

    • @tiarabelle6155
      @tiarabelle6155 Місяць тому

      @@joeferreti9442 don’t tell me what to do

    • @Lennybird91
      @Lennybird91 29 днів тому +5

      ​@tiarabelle6155 Indeed; we can all see you'd prefer someone else do the thinking for you 🤡

  • @crawkn
    @crawkn 27 днів тому +9

    It's odd to see an example from history in which the counter-propaganda clearly failed to prevent the world's greatest atrocities used as an example of how we can succeed. The real lesson of WWII is that once a population has become convinced that injustice is justice, there is little recourse but to restore justice through force. That doesn't mean that counter-propaganda can't reduce harms, however.

    • @GarageExperimental
      @GarageExperimental 26 днів тому +1

      you only perceive the atrocities which occurred while this counter-propaganda effort was under way as "the world's greatest" because you did not grow up - and do not now live - in the world which saw those atrocities eclipsed and/or no such counter-propaganda effort. In the absence of a 2 by 2 controlled trial (with/without both counter-propaganda and military intervention) you conclusion is unfounded.
      That's why, as was noted in the video, "success" was measured by, e.g. percentage of adversary soldiers choosing to listen to the broadcasts. "Are we reaching them?" is about the only figure of merit worth discussing in psywar unless you have access to a multiverse, in which case, just fix the Treaty of Versailles and be done with the whole thing, right?

    • @crawkn
      @crawkn 26 днів тому +4

      @GarageExperimental you make it sound very complicated, but it just isn't. The measures were taken, yet the atrocities happened, ergo the measures did not prevent the atrocities. I clearly stated that I don't think that makes the measures valueless, and they may have reduced harm, but they obviously weren't sufficient to prevent the spread of evil.

    • @GarageExperimental
      @GarageExperimental 25 днів тому +1

      @crawkn I invite you to reread your second last sentence, and imagine yourself to be a late Weimar German facing farcical hyperinflation and an ascendant and well-supported-from-abroad domestic Communist movement. A counter-narrative emerges which casts the economic downfall of post-imperial Germany as directly consequent from the treaties which ended the First World War, which no Francophone European, British nor American government seemed the least bit interested in walking back. Would that constitute an "injustice they had become convinced was justice"?
      If you can't see the propagandist's ability to weaponise your point of view to their own ends even when you so readily demonstrate the path they would need to take with you, it isn't a surprise that you hold your views. Perhaps I can convince you there lies peril in your preference for might-is-right, perhaps not. But people who research such things and use those findings have perhaps devoted more thought to this question than you or I, and perhaps that expertise should be respected for coming from more than a two-phrase summary of the social background to two-three decades of European history, whether mine or yours.

    • @crawkn
      @crawkn 25 днів тому

      @@GarageExperimental In a comments forum, it's usually necessary to use some shorthand, assume some generally accepted knowledge, and elide some nuances. Yes I'm fully aware of the predicament the Germans put themselves in following WWI by causing massive destruction, for which they were then reasonably held liable.
      The lesson that some allowances must be made for the loser of a war to rebuild their economy in spite of their financial and moral debt is one that is hard to accept, and has had to be relearned numerous times throughout history. Yes, I can sympathize with the German point of view, but that is not the same as accepting it as morally justified. Hitler's propaganda was _lies,_ and the majority of Germans knew that, and followed him anyway.
      I have no preference for might-is-right. I would prefer that all resources be shared equitably and amicably among all peoples, but good luck with that. There is a real qualitative difference, however, between might in primary expansionist aggression, and might in defense against it. Also don't make the error of assuming that what propaganda works on a population works on every individual, for example the one you happen to be talking to.

    • @crawkn
      @crawkn 25 днів тому +3

      ​@@GarageExperimental My reply disappeared, so this one will be briefer. Try to assume some common knowledge. Germany incurred debt through their expansionist aggression in WWI, which the allies weren't wise enough to forgive, which isn't the same as injustice. Hitler's propaganda was _lies,_ which most Germans knew, and followed him anyway. Don't assume that propaganda which works on a majority works on every individual. There is a real qualitative difference between might employed in expansionist aggression and that exerted in defense. Those were not fine lines in the world wars.

  • @babeltwo4
    @babeltwo4 20 днів тому +8

    He just described what Russia is doing to the west. It would be nice to think someone on our side has a reply but I think that’s a bit optimistic

  • @KRIGBERT
    @KRIGBERT 29 днів тому +51

    People talk a lot about nineteen-eighty-four, but according to this, we should be talking more about Animal Farm.

    • @Ermude10
      @Ermude10 27 днів тому +9

      Agree but regardless, people should be talking about Orwell more often.

    • @viscountslappy5085
      @viscountslappy5085 27 днів тому +2

      And Brave New World.

    • @Triple_J.1
      @Triple_J.1 26 днів тому +1

      Atlas contains the most articulate critique of the issue. And a solution.

    • @KRIGBERT
      @KRIGBERT 26 днів тому +3

      @@Triple_J.1 Pretty sure Orwell never wrote a book called Atlas :l

    • @victoriaeads6126
      @victoriaeads6126 21 день тому +2

      Animal Farm would definitely be more apt. There are lots of pigs who just will not see that they will be on the menu soon enough.

  • @MartinCarty
    @MartinCarty 26 днів тому +16

    I speak with friends who voted for Brexit and several still believe in it despite the evidence that they made a mistake. A clear case of cognitive dissonance and not wanting to admit to a mistake. Someone cleverer than I said, "When the facts change I change my mind ".

    • @zipperdeedooha
      @zipperdeedooha 19 днів тому

      Here's a question. How many of those who voted either way for Brexit actually considered the ramifications of the EU in 50 years time? The EU was initially sold as a common market when I voted to join. Now becoming a political union. Big difference. Concentrating and centralising power. Don't believe me or this talking head. DYOR. The enemies of freedom are closer than you think. Even TED bans Rupert Sheldrake for his ideas. So much for freedom of thought and information.

    • @NicoleFrenk-h4x
      @NicoleFrenk-h4x 18 днів тому +2

      That clever person, to the best of my knowledge, was the economist John Maynard Keynes.

  • @EyeoftheAbyss
    @EyeoftheAbyss Місяць тому +31

    I’ve been wondering why Hollywood has so consistently failed to do this, to reach the audience they can help.

    • @bill8985
      @bill8985 29 днів тому +9

      I guess the people you refer to don't watch late night comedy shows. The absurdity is explained in complete detail every weeknight. (Late night comedy is actually more accurate editorial than ANY newspaper or traditional television "news" channel.)

    • @BrightBlueJim
      @BrightBlueJim 27 днів тому +7

      Hollywood's problem is that they're too expensive. This makes them dependent on the rich, and on the industries that create the rich. They're not going to bit the hand that feeds them.

    • @trulsfinne9362
      @trulsfinne9362 26 днів тому +3

      Being for profit (Hollywood) as opposed to having no requirement to generate income, but instead have free access to a large amount of funds and expertise in order to combat misinformation (Delmer) is a major part of it. As long as it's for profit business, then usually most good intentions will fade into the background of trying to make more money. A billionaire can happily spend ten million dollars on right-wing misinformation, making it back tenfold in backroom contracts and tax cuts for the wealthy. And there are quite a few billionaires around the world willing to do so - in addition to tech companies with algorithms that pushes the right-wing misinformation. It's a tall order to put together a competitive amount of manpower, expertise and resources to combat it.

  • @TheDengronne
    @TheDengronne 18 днів тому +1

    This should be showen on tv every 14 day

  • @MrMassaraksh
    @MrMassaraksh День тому

    Thank you!
    World should know

  • @ScienceInMedicine
    @ScienceInMedicine 19 днів тому +1

    Great speech

  • @rodm1949
    @rodm1949 Місяць тому +7

    With VR and social media it can be hard for people to completely exit their alternate reality. A world of their making is purely a preference to occupy. Meaning mainly the flight response afflicted paint themselves a better or acceptable world.

  • @eihwazz12
    @eihwazz12 6 днів тому

  • @VolkerGoller
    @VolkerGoller 22 дні тому +1

    Excellent

  • @Marvinmartion
    @Marvinmartion 28 днів тому +37

    Every maga person is living in a bizarre fantasy world! Talk about the trees voting for the axe!

    • @vivigesso3756
      @vivigesso3756 22 дні тому

      Maga is a stone mountain.

    • @alex-xr3lg
      @alex-xr3lg 11 днів тому

      Lol you perfect example of propaganda.

  • @DeborahCooler
    @DeborahCooler 29 днів тому +10

    People need to learn to think critically and vet sources, both of which are sorely lacking these days. When I watch a video, for example, I want to know who this is and why I should listen to them. In the "About," there is usually little or...nothing.

    • @dino0228
      @dino0228 29 днів тому +3

      The point is that half the country doesn’t respond to that tactic.

    • @DeborahCooler
      @DeborahCooler 29 днів тому +3

      @@dino0228 Sad and dangerous. Democracy is preferred, but we need an educated and informed electorate for it to work well. HOWEVER, I know educated people who voted for Trump for all the wrong reasons. Issues lose their significance if we lose the Constitution and the rule of law.

    • @Ermude10
      @Ermude10 27 днів тому +1

      Democracy only works well when the population is informed and act rationally most of the time. Unfortunately, information can be controlled, and humans regularly act irrationally, as any economist will tell you.

    • @ewartmouton
      @ewartmouton 25 днів тому

      I also think a thoughtful person would start by highlighting their own biases. I mean he's from Ukraine 🤔 a country that is being decimated. It would take a very specific kind of person to be remotely objective in his situation.

    • @zipperdeedooha
      @zipperdeedooha 19 днів тому

      Agreed and where their funding comes from. Follow the money. Who does not want the war in Ukraine to cease? The military industrial complex.

  • @EastBayE
    @EastBayE 19 днів тому +2

    Finally a discussion of the solution instead of just narrating the demise of truth, fact, compassion, and reason in our political discourse. Unfortunately, the right wingers, christian-nationalists, and Putin trolls are WAY ahead on this tactic. Who do we have on the side of democracy and freedom that is willing to employ such tactic? The media is content to cash checks by playing to their echo chamber. Let’s keep this discussion alive and try to win our country back before the narcissists and ignoramuses drive it into the ground.

  • @DH-uu5ps
    @DH-uu5ps 25 днів тому +4

    Вступительный анекдот, представленный спикером, является ярким напоминанием о том, кто такие «плохие парни», а кто «хорошие». Военные преступления, совершенные российскими солдатами в агрессивной войне, развязанной их руководством, являются еще одним примером жестокости и бесчеловечности, с которыми мы сталкиваемся в отношении тех, кто позволил себя извратить.
    Тот факт, что некоторые члены новой администрации американского президента предлагают Украине пойти на «территориальные уступки», является еще одним доказательством того, на чьей они стороне. Мы ясно видим это, даже если другие отказываются принимать реальность. На чьей стороне ты? История запомнит.

  • @Kj16V
    @Kj16V 13 днів тому

    This is the first actually useful advice I've heard on how to defeat the far right

  • @popcornfilms1
    @popcornfilms1 10 днів тому

    11:00, wow sounds PERFECT for internet comment sections in the modern age! Would do wild great numbers on social media

  • @Jonsonsan
    @Jonsonsan 21 день тому

    Again what learned!
    Sehr interessant fand ich, mal was über die Zusammenhänge im Hintergrund zu erfahren!
    Schade fand ich dass jetzt nicht so recht klar wurde, ob oder wie erfolgreich die Me163 war!

  • @carrie5490
    @carrie5490 24 дні тому +2

    I watched a doco and a lady in Ukraine whose cousin was Russian had the same. She called her and found that her cousin thought it was all made up and that she was lying about the whole thing. Also spouted all of the Russian lines and rhetoric to her and wouldn’t believe anything she said, even when she video called her and showed her the cousin said it was fake

  • @antoineroccamora
    @antoineroccamora 27 днів тому +3

    Great Topic!! With useful bulletpoints, would love modern day Examples. But maybe that’s a lazy stance..The use of German Comedians in that time is brilliant. Though John Cleese once heared somebody say about German Humor: “It’s not a Laughing Matter”😆
    To be fair we have modern day examples like Jonathan Pie in England and Jon Stewart in the US. Now all we have to do is get those politicians to react to these truths, live on air. Basically what i’m pushing is to get John Oliver, Pie and Stewart to hold debates💡💡💡

  • @ka9dgx
    @ka9dgx 2 місяці тому +38

    This might be helpful for cutting through the corporate echo chamber that envelops the US, and feeds the RepubliCratic duopoly and the donor class that sponsor them.
    Good luck!

    • @RunninUpThatHillh
      @RunninUpThatHillh 2 місяці тому +5

      It’s pretty fucking simple. Don’t watch lamestream news.

    • @RunninUpThatHillh
      @RunninUpThatHillh 2 місяці тому +1

      @legittaco5899 I think it’s a very slow process. Also independent voices sell out. I’m about to give up and start rooting for a king tbh. The majority were never meant to contemplate politics. It’s why everything sounds like village gossip and everyone is so emotional.

    • @oliveleaf7376
      @oliveleaf7376 4 дні тому

      ​​@@RunninUpThatHillhgiving up and ceding power to some higher authority so you can wash your hands of any perverse outcomes is... the exact intent of most of this propaganda... Don't do that.

  • @darrylbradshaw216
    @darrylbradshaw216 10 днів тому

    The irony of this talk isn't lost on me...

  • @santi7470
    @santi7470 13 днів тому +1

    Share this!!!!

  • @thorstenschmidt21
    @thorstenschmidt21 26 днів тому +1

    There is a song from "A perfect circle" called "Pet" which is about that what he is explaining in 15 minutes

  • @CatFindsStuff
    @CatFindsStuff 10 днів тому

    Merc'ing a CEO seems to have started a good conversation....

  • @androidfarmer8863
    @androidfarmer8863 25 днів тому +1

    The issue is that many people don’t believe the propaganda, but want to, and act accordingly.

  • @MsApags
    @MsApags 28 днів тому +3

    This sounds reasonable and do-able but by who? Who will be implementing this advice?

    • @kart182
      @kart182 27 днів тому +1

      Every single one of us, including you

  • @degreaseLLC
    @degreaseLLC 13 днів тому

    This was excellent but we really didn't get any solutions

  • @maartendejong-r4o
    @maartendejong-r4o Місяць тому +3

    Any link to this "Harken"(?)-program he's talking about?

    • @freovegan
      @freovegan 25 днів тому

      I haven’t found it yet. Appreciate if anyone in the know would post it here to share!

  • @creatingyourlifestyle4898
    @creatingyourlifestyle4898 20 днів тому

    At the end of this video, there is an advertisement for the McRib at participating McDonald’s. In America's history, when McDonald’s brings classic menu items back, things are about to get serious.

  • @louisfourie3081
    @louisfourie3081 16 днів тому

    All humans will always choose to believe that which they believe is best for them at that moment. Except if you love the truth more than yourself. A hard truth will always cost a person something. Otherwise there is no distinction between a liar and an honest man.

  • @DroolRockworm
    @DroolRockworm Місяць тому +35

    Warning: trash Russian trolls abound in this comment section

  • @MrCph2200
    @MrCph2200 12 днів тому

    He is teaching us how to do propaganda ourselves

  • @ti2218
    @ti2218 22 дні тому +2

    A US and Russian politician are both drinking at a bar together. After awhile of friendly banter, the US politician bumps the shoulder of his Russian peer.
    "I gotta give it to you, Russian propaganda really is quite convincing!"
    The Russian politician seems quite flattered by this. "Well, thank you, but our propaganda is nothing compared to US propaganda! It's the most convincing in all the nations!"
    The US politician looks dumbfounded. "What do you mean? There's no propaganda in the US..."
    (If you don't get it, that means you're still under the spell of US propaganda!)

    • @Seth9809
      @Seth9809 22 дні тому

      Except Russians think the truth is propaganda and that the CIA is behind everything, including all popular uprisings.

    • @ГлебВерховский-п2р
      @ГлебВерховский-п2р 10 днів тому

      There are no "politicians" in russia. It is a dictatorship. It has only the leader, the bureaucracy and the dissidents.

  • @ohotnitza
    @ohotnitza 24 дні тому +2

    An important point of this is the level of media owned by MAGA-supporting outlets, especially local news. We need to create a new media ecosystem to combat it. If putin takes over Google, we won't have a choice

  • @batrhyme
    @batrhyme 16 днів тому

    War is a (series of) crimes. What is held as criminal is dependent on who is the victor

  • @patlecat
    @patlecat 6 днів тому

    A lot of common sense in this, sadly no politician nor media companies want to do it.

  • @natak.2287
    @natak.2287 14 днів тому

    Goodness .. this hit so many notes right! First - you make people powerless, second - present them with “strong” narcissistic leader , third - prepare to commit vile things in the name of “better whole”.

  • @ryanwporter
    @ryanwporter 2 місяці тому +33

    Every single TED talk that discusses American issues should start with this quote:
    "330 households-or the top 0.0001% hold more wealth than the bottom 90% of the population."
    It underscores every single other issue in this country, down to every single last one , all of them, each individually, in totality, conclusively, completely, and comprehensively. The fact that there is NOT A SINGLE TED talk that specifically addresses these words even made in 2024... shows what TED talks are all about. ALOT OF ENTERTAINMENT that never gets to the point.
    For example, using this golden fact to contextualize Peter Pomerantsev's talk here: misinformation in the United States has been constnat, but really took off in 2015-2016 with the rise of specific candidates, who explicitly use it as their political strategy. This candidate rose to popularity because of mounting frustrations over rising inequality. Its a fact that will accurately juxtapose every single other topic into context supported by reports research and evidence.
    I used to love listening to TED. I still like listening to intelligence at work, but none of what i see from this channel ever gets to the point. Its just another channel adding to the noise of the modern web and "entertainmentification" of issues and real problems.
    Everything i said above is how i KNOW liberals and liberalism in america is losing the battles and the war. Even the fast talking misinformationist mentions the issue by accident or in passing.

    • @joskowal3711
      @joskowal3711 2 місяці тому

      When most of that is tied up in corporate shares it is not true wealth. Yes they can borrow against it but ultimately it is a job qualification.

    • @DroolRockworm
      @DroolRockworm Місяць тому +1

      Bruh what? This is a talk about Russian disinformation it literally has nothing to do with American wealth inequality. Have one too many weed brownies today?

    • @dino0228
      @dino0228 29 днів тому +1

      The point of this talk was to put facts like that in simpler more emotional terms and put it on X and TikTok videos; MAGA doesn’t listen to TED Talks.

    • @johannes1538
      @johannes1538 28 днів тому +1

      You are incorrect according to official sources. If you google "federalreserve Distribution of Household Wealth in the U.S. since 1989":
      2024:Q2 Top 0.1% have 13.5% of wealth
      2024:Q2 Bottom 90% have 33.2% of wealth
      It would be accurate to say that in the US the Top 1% (30.2% of wealth) have almost as much as the bottom 90%, or the Top 0.1% have more than 5 times more than the Bottom 50% (2.5%).
      If I have gotten something wrong, please let me know and add sources so it is not just based on blind trust.

  • @DennepeerRelaxation
    @DennepeerRelaxation 26 днів тому +1

    I think i missed the part where he gave the successrate.

  • @Alwaysiamcaesar
    @Alwaysiamcaesar 25 днів тому +2

    Yeah… This probably didn’t make a lick of difference. The allies just invaded Berlin. You can only fight fascism by force.

  • @maratkopytjuk3490
    @maratkopytjuk3490 Місяць тому +9

    I think the idea is great, but I think the implementation in the modern world will be challenging. It is not that an average Russian does not know about the corruption, I think people just know they cannot speak up because they are living in a police state.
    In the case of right wing people a lot of social networks just reinforce the bubble some of the people are in, so they never see the other side even if the other side speaks in the same language...

  • @sooma-ai
    @sooma-ai 2 місяці тому +10

    Peter Pomerantsev discusses strategies for combating disinformation and propaganda, drawing lessons from a WWII British operation. He emphasizes the importance of tapping into emotions, providing relevant facts, and fostering alternative communities to reach people trapped in propaganda-shaped realities.

  • @StopWhining491
    @StopWhining491 Місяць тому +3

    Excellent explanation for today's extreme politics, whether on the left or on the right. How do we answer the question of the existence of narcissism and innate cruelty? Is it a feature or a bug?

  • @miriamgubova979
    @miriamgubova979 9 днів тому

    Why simple people argue over what media says... It's couse conflicts, not peace. We in war with each other over nothing. Let's leave in peace.

  • @CasparMacRae
    @CasparMacRae 27 днів тому +3

    The "(and Win)" has been done already; the owners of your data chose misinformation.

  • @Therussianthreat
    @Therussianthreat 5 днів тому

    Started strong but lost me half way through boss.

  • @angeladoll9785
    @angeladoll9785 5 днів тому

    I heard "bring back MAD Magazine stat!"

  • @mrmr446
    @mrmr446 17 днів тому +1

    Apparently there are Israelis who view the current conflict as a fight for survival, given the imbalance of forces favours them dramatically I don't see how this makes sense.

  • @jmmeyer1337
    @jmmeyer1337 19 днів тому

    Great playbook für the upcoming German elections

  • @toddjohnson7572
    @toddjohnson7572 11 днів тому

    Well, it's not that easy. It's been tried many which ways. I'm at the point of: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! And you'll be less stressed day to day, too!

  • @trumanhicks6404
    @trumanhicks6404 19 днів тому

    I thought this was Hank green from the picture

  • @JSmart523
    @JSmart523 27 днів тому +1

    I'm not convinced that throwing rocks at people is justified with the schoolyard "well, THEY started it!" defense.
    So when is it okay to do this? (Beyond "If it supports values _I_ agree with"?) I think real and actual war qualifies, but when he alludes to fighting autocratic politics within one's country, when is it okay to smear those who smear?
    Not rhetorical or Socratic. I'm really pondering the ethics, here.

    • @declansteward7863
      @declansteward7863 27 днів тому

      Is this a when does the end justify the means?
      If the end is to survive, I’d say reciprocal means is justified.

  • @rose8968
    @rose8968 2 місяці тому +9

    We are also watching tons of propaganda for another war that’s happening now

    • @joefilter2923
      @joefilter2923 Місяць тому

      And watching propaganda for actual genocide.

    • @dino0228
      @dino0228 29 днів тому

      Middle East conflict doesn’t preclude action at home.

    • @banderson8444
      @banderson8444 28 днів тому +1

      Which war are you referring to? Ukraine's war for freedom and self determination? The war in Syria? Sudan? Yemen? Israel and Iranian backed Hamas & Hezbollah?

    • @rose8968
      @rose8968 28 днів тому

      @ only two wars appear on the news everyday currently.

    • @oliveleaf7376
      @oliveleaf7376 4 дні тому

      I love Israel! I love AIPAC! Criticism of Netanyahu is antisemitic! Israel has done nothing wrong in it's history! There is no apartheid! We must give another $160 billion to Israel over the next four years, and then the next totally different admin will give another $160 billion, and the next, and the next, and the next, and...

  • @VMorgenthaler-yp6yz
    @VMorgenthaler-yp6yz 29 днів тому +7

    Snowden's comment applies to US 2021 until the present moment.

  • @cyberswine
    @cyberswine 25 днів тому +1

    Fight fire with fire?

  • @gking407
    @gking407 29 днів тому +1

    Time for a reset

  • @MrCph2200
    @MrCph2200 12 днів тому

    If this is not Hasbara. I don’t know what it is!!!!!

  • @commonpike
    @commonpike 28 днів тому

    It would be feasible to program ai to deliver that kind of 'conversive' content on social media. Someone is bound to do that soon.
    And then, all good intentions aside, what are we doing 😊

  • @meanderinoranges
    @meanderinoranges 2 місяці тому +15

    You must watch news and comment from both sides of the political spectrum. I don't know how to convince people in a media bubble to do this, but it is one way to break the programming.

    • @alonbinyamin
      @alonbinyamin 2 місяці тому

      Not accurate. In many cases these "news" sources are just copy-paste propaganda themselves.
      It's much easier to spread lies than the truth. So you'll find much more of those lies across the media/web.

    • @Bringadingus
      @Bringadingus 2 місяці тому +1

      Yes, do watch CNN and NBC (conservative) and also get your hands on true left-wing literature representing communist ideology (leftist.) Fox News should be shut down and its staff put in jail.

    • @radvin1417
      @radvin1417 2 місяці тому +1

      giving your brain a pile of crap to process from both sides doesn't help that much either. It's probably better, but not good enough and not time efficient imo. The processes and conclusions derived from a bunch of misinformation is just another misinformation. Personally I choose the 3rd option of just giving up on politics and enjoying my life. The propaganda machine is levels of magnitude stronger than the average person's political capabilites. Dissociating and judging politics based on how it directly affects your life gives you the best most efficient outcome for the average person.

    • @meanderinoranges
      @meanderinoranges 2 місяці тому +10

      @@radvin1417 staying out of politics completely is the surest way to be completely manipulated by it. You owe it to yourself, and to this country, to stay informed on both sides. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, fellow American.

    • @corneliusdinkmeyer2190
      @corneliusdinkmeyer2190 Місяць тому +2

      @@meanderinorangesExactly. Checking out is part of the problem. Apathy doesn’t help anyone & we are interdependent upon one another.

  • @petiboard3098
    @petiboard3098 5 днів тому

    Only answer to Autocracy Inc. is Democracy Inc.

  • @magdalenavalentinastegaru8531
    @magdalenavalentinastegaru8531 8 днів тому

    Because he is so impartial.I clicked on the video hoping for insides against any propaganda. I am not saying he should not have a Ted talk, I am saying the title is misleading.

  • @WinterGK
    @WinterGK 2 місяці тому +8

    I try to answer with facts on UA-cams comment sections, but UA-cam keeps deleting when I do replies.
    Its infuriating when a Top comment is nonsense and I am not allowed to say anything educational so young people that might be misinformed aren't

    • @DeborahCooler
      @DeborahCooler 29 днів тому +4

      Often the top comment is meant to trigger emotions and facilitate engagement (hot debates/hate wars). More activity on their page means more revenue.

  • @mandy2tomtube
    @mandy2tomtube 20 днів тому

    Faster answer that everyone denies that we can do is to end autonomy and make clear the number of post that any user has made obviously if you’re making 10,000 posts a day you’re not real and of course there’s a huge argument for autonomy, but this in of itself is the propaganda Because the social media platforms profit from what they sell to advertisers and if 3/4 of the users aren’t real then what are they selling? So while you are the products that they sell to the advertisers, 3/4 of the products are bots, advertisers, and people who have sold their lives to show products for money sucked into the game the social media video profit model is destroying society

  • @AvvieLanche
    @AvvieLanche 26 днів тому

    Wow, you released this A MONTH AGO??!
    GREAT JOB THERE, WINKLE!!

  • @JMack1053
    @JMack1053 12 днів тому

    Follow this dudes paycheck 😊

  • @Markus-ee7lg
    @Markus-ee7lg 18 днів тому

    Health insurance would have been a perfect in in the USA. And yet...

  • @L-K-Jellyfish
    @L-K-Jellyfish 10 днів тому

    But did those methods work?

  • @99zxk
    @99zxk 21 день тому

    Michael Bolton?

  • @bobgardin2347
    @bobgardin2347 Місяць тому +27

    We should never forget and never forgive a Trump voter

    • @Marvinmartion
      @Marvinmartion 28 днів тому +2

      I’m right there with you!

    • @greentara291
      @greentara291 28 днів тому +9

      I disagree. Much as I loathe what Trump wants to create in my country, not all who voted for him are the same. A number of my extended family voted for him the first time, came to see what he was doing and formally left the Republican party, disappointed with what it's become. They voted Harris/Walz and though we lost, they have no regrets.
      Some Trumpers will never budge, but it's not all of them. We have to support and encourage the slightest opening for discussion.

    • @bobgardin2347
      @bobgardin2347 28 днів тому +1

      ​@greentara291 we can't coddle them. They need to become introspective and admit their rationale. Shame can be a good thing, and a first step towards changing. Do not normalize and justify their ignorance and arrogance when others tried to tell them otherwise.

    • @BrightBlueJim
      @BrightBlueJim 27 днів тому +1

      @@greentara291 At best they are appeasers. No sympathy for them. I agree that some of them aren't in deep enough to be irredeemable, but all are in deep enough to ignore their own better instincts.

    • @greentara291
      @greentara291 27 днів тому +1

      @bobgardin2347 Coddle? These aren't children, regardless of how poor we may find their choices. They're voters. Adults. Citizens. Fellow citizens.
      We have to offer something that enough of these voters choose over their autocrat. This lurch toward autocracy is happening globally, and those autocrats are working together. As should we.

  • @mtr3754
    @mtr3754 13 днів тому +1

    How can our propaganda beat their propaganda? That should be the title.

  • @Luca122
    @Luca122 27 днів тому

    Propaganda é sempre uma coisa má que o nosso inimigo faz. Nós só falamos a verdade, sem interesse geopolítico algum.

  • @neuvocastezero1838
    @neuvocastezero1838 22 дні тому

    "Only the English, with their highly literary sense, would concoct an atrocity in a town called Bucha".
    Apparently, they've never heard of Bernie Madoff.

  • @hiepkhach9988
    @hiepkhach9988 2 місяці тому

    ❤❤❤❤❤Respect

  • @elkudos6262
    @elkudos6262 19 днів тому

    Dude looks like John Green.

  • @Apostate1970
    @Apostate1970 23 дні тому

    "Sadistic strongmen" ... so ... the US state and defense departments?

  • @procurement3681
    @procurement3681 Місяць тому

    These principles seem harder to use in a lot of ways, but he only mentioned how they're easier.

  • @bioboy4519
    @bioboy4519 2 місяці тому +2

    watch ted

  • @philjans1
    @philjans1 5 днів тому +1

    That’s when you realize just how bad is the humain brain 🧠!
    I miss SPOCK 🖖🏼

  • @AmadeuShinChan
    @AmadeuShinChan 3 дні тому

    I wonder if he thinks that Israel is the victim in the Middle East conflict, does he know bout the speech of Benjamin Freedman and the Balfour declaration?

  • @mandy2tomtube
    @mandy2tomtube 20 днів тому

    Thought experiment somebody has the bright idea to give all the monkeys in the zoo. Cell phones their behavior becomes erratic because their monkeys in a zoo you take the cell phones away in our case we’re going to have to evolve.