5:48 Turles shenanigans LMAO edit: as a fan of both characters, they should have been a support unit, it will at least have more value than just the seal
I think a defensive focus would have been best. They need to stay alive so they can keep the seal, so I think a focus on them being able to take hits (and maybe having endurance) would have worked really well (alongside a little bit of support for allies), even if it meant their offence was not good outside of the seal. The seal is so valuable in of itself that that trade-off would be well worth it.
TBF the sealing mechanic is one of the best in the game. So I get why they held back on them, but they should have gotten a bit more. I think making them a defensive unit would have synergized better with the seal. They need to stay alive so they can keep the seal, so I think a focus on them being able to take hits (and maybe having endurance) would have worked really well (alongside a little bit of support for allies), even if it meant their offence was not good outside of the seal. The seal is so valuable in of itself that that trade-off would be well worth it.
Allies subcounts down synergized well, but perhaps they lack an indispensable partner for them i think. Great potential for zk buff despite the stats being... But good analysis, thanks for commenting
If they had more base damage, cover null on swaps instead of green and replace cover null on green for something like 100% vanish restore (once each side), drew a card on tag and had higher base defenses they coulda been good
I think the setup Goresh used in this one didn’t do them justice. Don’t let the winrate in the video distract you from the fact that in all matches that went to timer, they effectively instant killed someone through endurance/indestructible/comeback. He just couldn’t win on damage because his team was too defensive.
I think the whole point of using cellza is to reduce the fight in a 2.5 v 2. Your two units other than cellza have to beat their 2 units. As an advantage, you have the option to swap to cellza to get an additional vanish. Even with that advantage if you're losing in 2v2, then there's something wrong with either your gameplay or your team.
In my experience, they do a lot of damage. You should try putting them maybe on a less defensive setup, maybe. But i think they are pretty solid, and I love their animations
To each their own. I really like Omega's English voice myself and the japanese one just sounds like an old man to me. But my favorite is syn shenrons english voice
I’ve really enjoyed leader slotting these guys with Red Broly on powerful opponent. Forcing the opponent into 2v3 makes Brolys gimmick work much more effectively
Frieza & Cell aren’t high power character, you can’t pull him on Defense type team and said it’s not good😢they are so strong with Majin vegeta or new VB
I think something they couldve did is give them support/healing when they switch out. So you can seal someone then switch out and get their support. It wouldnt make them the best but it would certainly give you a reason to run them besides the seal.
Because he rarely uploads his losses. When he does, it's to show a "point". I don't believe he always wins when recording. Any logical person or youtuber knows that's impossible for many reasons.
@@1DAR26 this is just wrong. we are talking about one of the best pvpers in the game with THE best box in the game. if his skill isn’t enough to win, the star difference between opponents is. it’s just dumb to think he scraps entire matches for a showcase just because he lost. if he actually did, you would literally never see him losing. just watch the god rank grind videos. you’re telling me out of the 30+ matches he shows, he cuts out a decent chunk just because he lost? that’s not only a stupid decision on his end, but it also removes content from us that could’ve gotten interactions. use your brain.
they are a fun gimmick character honestly, i love using them. but after you used up their Awakened arts card... there isnt much else left to do with them. what i dont like with their minor disrupt is that, the opponent has to use a card while they are on the battlefield for them to get a type null defensive, means you wont get that effect on cover change since card is used prior to them entering.
Putting them with two defensive characters when they are a gimmick/support type is not really fair, I am using them with the 2 new LFs and they are very good a sniping someone with the seal and making the match easy for the other two.
Seems like a lot of people missed out on your intial 3 star video. Goresh used this team specifically to showcase CellZa ability to be used on wide variety of teams. The issue is not every team Cellza can be combined with will gurantee a win when timer hits.
11:56 WHY DIDIN'T HE RUSH THERE?????????? Type advantage, lots of buffs, 1 less character to worry about, more damage for the time out, still showing the value that the unit brings to the table, since the opponent has to play with one less very powerful character. I swear that Goresh has an opinion of a unit before he even plays with it and tries to spin the whole video around that idea.
Nice showcase you have here, showing that though their gimmick is strong the shortcomings of their kit bring their usability down a good amount. However. YOU"RE COOKED!
problem with them is that their dmg isn't great, so they need 2 units on their team that can do that, putting them with someone like garlic is a mistake. I feel like overall they're good if you manage to seal the first or second option of the opposing team
Yeah u put them on a team with 2 defense oriented characters and complain when u lose every single damage rush match. Pair them with LF black and VB and its one of the most oppressive teams in the game. Being able to force a 2v3 with that lineup almost guarantees a win and insane combo uptime
Idk this unit is okay. Their obviously only useful after you seal an opponent and that's if you can keep them alive long enough to kill both of the other characters. Other than that they do more harm then good, especially if you have them at low stars
I hate to be the "erm actually you used the character incorrectly" guy but I feel like you really do not want to run these guys with a hyper-defensive character. You kept mentioning your frustration at not being able to do anything after sealing a character but that's because you were running Garlic Jr. You wanna run these guys with the big damage units, you want em next to transforming Broly, Vegito, UMV, UG4, kid Buu, or CMZ. Slapping Jr next to them leaves the third unit having to do enough damage for 3 and Omega does have good, consistent damage, but not 3 characters' worth.
I think this one percent sparking is a what if tag characters in my opinion never seen these two fight alongside, with each other if I remember correctly what I do like about the strike animation for Frieza. Both of them do Guile slice kicks from Street Fighter what I don't like is the awakened arts cards, one thing I've learned about is that they're awakened arts card if one of them has it you tag switch that card will disappear.
Yeah, all this unit can do is to seal you and that's all. There should be Blast Armor and if they had an endurance effect then I'm sure this unit would've been one of the best 1% sparking ever.
I hate that legends always likes to make the actually cool characters bad and the characters that no one wanted good. Like who actually really wants to use Mai when you could you cell and frieza.
they are garbage, too many boxes to tick to make them work You need to a rush target that needs to do damage, a combo breaker and another character that is a damage dealer Roshi himself at least did damage so he could fit easily on defensive teams
Bro uses him on a team with only stalling units and calls them bad when they go to time with less damage, if 1 of those guys was more offensive then you’d feel it. Please use a future team like frieza & cell, vegito and goku black they aren’t a powerhouse they’re an incredible "support" since the rest of the match is easier it’s a 2v3
5:47 that "WHAT!!??" was from the bottom of his soul he was genuinely confused
5:38 he just hit a chain of black flashes 😭😭😭
Almost the same analogy 😂
Interesting note that at 15:40 ulthan came back with his attack gauge
That's a switch . It's normal. Sealing a character doesn't mean stop his time.
5:08 the reason he was able to switch back in was because he was under 50% health when he got hit and he shortens allies sub counts by 10
@@jasondonuts2571 copy cat
@@CoreyK200 Multiple ppl said the same thing, ain't no one copying anyone 🤦🏾♂️
@ I said it first
@CoreyK200 Who cares 50 other ppl said the same thing cuz they wanted to give the reasoning. There's zero reason to complain about it
@ ok then don’t say anything
5:48 Turles shenanigans LMAO
edit: as a fan of both characters, they should have been a support unit, it will at least have more value than just the seal
I think a defensive focus would have been best. They need to stay alive so they can keep the seal, so I think a focus on them being able to take hits (and maybe having endurance) would have worked really well (alongside a little bit of support for allies), even if it meant their offence was not good outside of the seal. The seal is so valuable in of itself that that trade-off would be well worth it.
Can’t believe we got a first ever tag with a sealing ability
Ik this isn’t important but fusing gogeta has subcount reduction when the disrupt goes off in case you were wondering
When you use Cells blue card using English voices he says “YOU”RE COOKED!” 💀
everyone known that
8:48 i'm in a Goresh video, nice (i rush with vegeto because i don't remember cell and frieza kit and forgot about garlic jr sub count down)
And you beat him too, nice lol
Nice win
time was on your side this time, good win tho very respectable
Grosh can you legendary finish inside of me?
Goresh fans are a different breed….
💀
Oh nah 💀
Your not the only one wishing for that 😢😢😢😢
Alright, that's enough ☠️🙏
Putting them besides two non damage dealers probably isn’t the play to be fair Goresh
Omega is one of the most consistent damage dealing units in the game
@@hello3262 Omega isn’t even top 7 in damage dealing in legends. His support, dragon ball ability, and defense are his highlights
@@manfancy MV, VB, Gotenks, Fusing SV, UG4 and who else is better offensively
@ ultimate Gohan, CMZ, or maybe Turles if you want to count post comeback
@@hello3262 TVB and late game evoken (dont kill me pls)
The GOATs of Legends Fest 2024 🗣🔥
TBF the sealing mechanic is one of the best in the game. So I get why they held back on them, but they should have gotten a bit more.
I think making them a defensive unit would have synergized better with the seal. They need to stay alive so they can keep the seal, so I think a focus on them being able to take hits (and maybe having endurance) would have worked really well (alongside a little bit of support for allies), even if it meant their offence was not good outside of the seal. The seal is so valuable in of itself that that trade-off would be well worth it.
Allies subcounts down synergized well, but perhaps they lack an indispensable partner for them i think. Great potential for zk buff despite the stats being... But good analysis, thanks for commenting
5:07 the reason turles could switch back in here is because you proc’d their distrupt, which lowers all sub counts by 10
5:20 when they reduce the ki, they also reduce subcounts
If they had more base damage, cover null on swaps instead of green and replace cover null on green for something like 100% vanish restore (once each side), drew a card on tag and had higher base defenses they coulda been good
And blast armor
Yeah they’re just in the verge of being really good, longer card draw speed on switch or gauge restore on switch would’ve been so good
I think the setup Goresh used in this one didn’t do them justice. Don’t let the winrate in the video distract you from the fact that in all matches that went to timer, they effectively instant killed someone through endurance/indestructible/comeback. He just couldn’t win on damage because his team was too defensive.
fr he stacked 2 defensive units with a unit that is meant to be defensive.
And he was running them on a more blast heavy setup when they are strike heavy units
@@mewderator6410
Omega literally does insane damage, even as a defensive unit
cant wait for the zenkai trunks to die on zenkai because the frieza side is purple
5:00 FGB went under 50% reduce all sub counts, that is why he switched like that.
Run them with Goku black and majin vegeta. That's their best team, seal a character with cellza then u can snipe the 2nd character with umv
I think the whole point of using cellza is to reduce the fight in a 2.5 v 2. Your two units other than cellza have to beat their 2 units. As an advantage, you have the option to swap to cellza to get an additional vanish. Even with that advantage if you're losing in 2v2, then there's something wrong with either your gameplay or your team.
In my experience, they do a lot of damage. You should try putting them maybe on a less defensive setup, maybe. But i think they are pretty solid, and I love their animations
I keep forgetting just how much better the Japanese voice for Omega Shenron is
To each their own. I really like Omega's English voice myself and the japanese one just sounds like an old man to me. But my favorite is syn shenrons english voice
I’ve really enjoyed leader slotting these guys with Red Broly on powerful opponent. Forcing the opponent into 2v3 makes Brolys gimmick work much more effectively
Wish this character was better, an LF of these 2 that was way better would help so many teams and be a great value character
On god they should've been an LF
Frieza & Cell aren’t high power character, you can’t pull him on Defense type team and said it’s not good😢they are so strong with Majin vegeta or new VB
I think something they couldve did is give them support/healing when they switch out. So you can seal someone then switch out and get their support. It wouldnt make them the best but it would certainly give you a reason to run them besides the seal.
never seen goresh lose 2 times in the same video
when he showcases some 3 year old bum it happens
Because he rarely uploads his losses. When he does, it's to show a "point". I don't believe he always wins when recording. Any logical person or youtuber knows that's impossible for many reasons.
He's a great player but it's nice to know he still loses sometimes
@@1DAR26 this is just wrong. we are talking about one of the best pvpers in the game with THE best box in the game. if his skill isn’t enough to win, the star difference between opponents is. it’s just dumb to think he scraps entire matches for a showcase just because he lost. if he actually did, you would literally never see him losing. just watch the god rank grind videos. you’re telling me out of the 30+ matches he shows, he cuts out a decent chunk just because he lost? that’s not only a stupid decision on his end, but it also removes content from us that could’ve gotten interactions. use your brain.
@@dabonethug i totally agree with you
they are a fun gimmick character honestly, i love using them.
but after you used up their Awakened arts card... there isnt much else left to do with them.
what i dont like with their minor disrupt is that, the opponent has to use a card while they are on the battlefield for them to get a type null defensive, means you wont get that effect on cover change since card is used prior to them entering.
4:50 "we can just force him to take this" Goresh 2024
your unit my choice
I read this as he said it
Goresh, you and Frieza can tag team me any day, Cell can watch!
Bro wants to get jumped ✊👊
Either they should get easy cover null or blast armor on their strikes to make this character complete.
Goresh, you haven’t come back in 3 years. I miss you 😞
Putting them with two defensive characters when they are a gimmick/support type is not really fair, I am using them with the 2 new LFs and they are very good a sniping someone with the seal and making the match easy for the other two.
23:52 ost's name please?
PHY Golden Frieza and #17 ost from dokkan.
@Batzuki thank you man
Goresh pls make a top 10 best Exetremes on release 🙏
Seems like a lot of people missed out on your intial 3 star video. Goresh used this team specifically to showcase CellZa ability to be used on wide variety of teams. The issue is not every team Cellza can be combined with will gurantee a win when timer hits.
just put the go in the resh lil bro
I can't believe that the only character I can pull just happens to be the worst
5:35 1/750 correct me if I’m wrong (3/4 strikes and blasts destroyed dragon balls)
11:56 WHY DIDIN'T HE RUSH THERE?????????? Type advantage, lots of buffs, 1 less character to worry about, more damage for the time out, still showing the value that the unit brings to the table, since the opponent has to play with one less very powerful character.
I swear that Goresh has an opinion of a unit before he even plays with it and tries to spin the whole video around that idea.
use them with turtle. you just need to seal and then that comeback gets 10x stronger. shouldn't have to but it works well
5:00 under half hp they reduce ki and sub count by ten
I think their main selling point is how easily they can be Zenkai buffed
a 6 minute match is insane
Nice showcase you have here, showing that though their gimmick is strong the shortcomings of their kit bring their usability down a good amount. However. YOU"RE COOKED!
He just mismanagement their team.
Look at the team he used
Please do a LOE revisit with these guys🙏🙏🙏🙏
Fax gang
problem with them is that their dmg isn't great, so they need 2 units on their team that can do that, putting them with someone like garlic is a mistake. I feel like overall they're good if you manage to seal the first or second option of the opposing team
Rocking these mfs at 4 stars (5 zenkai buffed tho) and they one shot like a billion vegitos
Yeah u put them on a team with 2 defense oriented characters and complain when u lose every single damage rush match. Pair them with LF black and VB and its one of the most oppressive teams in the game. Being able to force a 2v3 with that lineup almost guarantees a win and insane combo uptime
Just want them to remove perfect vanish at this point
Idk this unit is okay. Their obviously only useful after you seal an opponent and that's if you can keep them alive long enough to kill both of the other characters. Other than that they do more harm then good, especially if you have them at low stars
I got lf transforming vegito from my second summon on the banner for the first time
15:50 Gohan wins by doing literally nothing
I hate to be the "erm actually you used the character incorrectly" guy but I feel like you really do not want to run these guys with a hyper-defensive character. You kept mentioning your frustration at not being able to do anything after sealing a character but that's because you were running Garlic Jr. You wanna run these guys with the big damage units, you want em next to transforming Broly, Vegito, UMV, UG4, kid Buu, or CMZ. Slapping Jr next to them leaves the third unit having to do enough damage for 3 and Omega does have good, consistent damage, but not 3 characters' worth.
Should've been an LF unit... I weep
Your Cooked
do a máster roshi and Cell/Frieza showcase
Frieza/Cell and Master Roshi in the same team, just for a video, what do you think?
Need a game Originals Jiren and Hit or Jiren and Frieza tag unit
I think this one percent sparking is a what if tag characters in my opinion never seen these two fight alongside, with each other if I remember correctly what I do like about the strike animation for Frieza.
Both of them do Guile slice kicks from Street Fighter what I don't like is the awakened arts cards, one thing I've learned about is that they're awakened arts card if one of them has it you tag switch that card will disappear.
Yeah, all this unit can do is to seal you and that's all. There should be Blast Armor and if they had an endurance effect then I'm sure this unit would've been one of the best 1% sparking ever.
My 3 star cell/freeza killed ug4 with their special at full health
imagine being the odd one out of the 4 units and theyre technically the worst one 😭😭
Throw them on a gt team and they test them out
feel like golden frieza would have cooked
I hate that legends always likes to make the actually cool characters bad and the characters that no one wanted good. Like who actually really wants to use Mai when you could you cell and frieza.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't Kid Goku clap these two in base form? No wonder they're underwhelming. ᗜˬᗜ
Its crazy to think that goresh is telling the truth you cannot nake a viable team without putting a zenkai on the team
maybe change garlick jr with ultra golden frieza
15:49 Goresh L???? 💀💀💀
Man why both of the villain units have “but” in the title for their videos 😭 justice for goku black. ✊
Goresh what is that team lmao
why don't the models have halos though?
In gt no halos
Save cc for the ultra.
You can't seal 2 characters in a single match.
Does Cell say "You're cooked" in Japanese too?
The fact that they're not a support unit is just pure idiocy because they contribute nothing.
Hi grosh
Noooo 😢
Who tf is lf jiren buffing?
garlic
@weazy22 garlic is not po
@ he literally is 💀 what are you on about
These comments are getting wilder with every video
they are garbage, too many boxes to tick to make them work
You need to a rush target that needs to do damage, a combo breaker and another character that is a damage dealer
Roshi himself at least did damage so he could fit easily on defensive teams
They sucked but I was actually surprised how good Mai was. Idk they couldn’t do the same for this guys.
Villians almost always get the short end of the sticks
They hels back because the sealing mechanic is so powerful
held*
Bro uses him on a team with only stalling units and calls them bad when they go to time with less damage, if 1 of those guys was more offensive then you’d feel it. Please use a future team like frieza & cell, vegito and goku black they aren’t a powerhouse they’re an incredible "support" since the rest of the match is easier it’s a 2v3
I’ve got these wankers at 11 stars and no goku black 😞
More effort put into their green card than both LFs combined
Let make Cell and Frieza LF super vegeta but more horrible and trash.
And only have the Seal the most advantage of the game I see no one else In the world playing this unit in 2024-2025
But fortnite
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L you lol
14 STAR CELL AND FRIEZA HAVE AN INTERESTING GIMMICK BUT….. WILL GORESH USE HIS INTERESTING GIMMICK ON ME?!?!
They're cooked?
Wow im early 😅
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