To be honest, he definitely deserved to get a win at a major at some point, the fact that he hadn't had a major win is crazy, especially because of how good of a player he is, congratulations to him for the win!
I got timed out by Sonix in a smash4 online event . Personally I’m still salty lol but I’m happy to see the dude succeed like this . I hope a nice sponsor picks him up cause he’s working hard
It's such a shame that Sonic is so good as camping. Sonic's aggressive tools and combos are pretty cool. IMO, when a Sonic isn't camping, he's actually a fun character to watch; and even when he does camp it's still sometimes pretty good. I just feel bad that Sonix gets so much hate, he's really really good at the game, and it's not his fault that Sakurai doesn't know how to consistently design good characters.
@@meee_5155 So no one should pick Sonic at all? Should we should just ban Sonic bc you don't like how he plays? There's always going to be someone representing every top tier character. Sonix just happened to be that guy because (as his name implies) he is a fan of Sonic in general. He probably would've played Sonic even if he wasn't that good. This game has more poorly designed characters than good ones. You could point fingers at any one of them. Complain that the game is bad all you want, but don't take it out on the players. Either appreciate what top level play is in this game, or go find a different game to watch.
@atmes7257 He didn't pick up Sonic so he can win in smash, he picked up smash so he can play Sonic. Also Sonic was considered a mid tier until Sonix developed his meta to this point where people consider him top 3-5 or even top 1 with a character like Steve present
Honestly sonix’s playstyle looks incredible to watch and break down. Maybe it’s because I primarily play turn based games but I love to see decision making and outwitting opponents, watching him set up those situations where he knows he can come out on top is so cool
i always found that if you know smash player like dabuzz sonix acola and hungrybox on melee are the most facinating at work , you can cleary see the mind game , the micro spacing , it a great testament to fundamental
I mainly dislike watching sonic because all his moves look about the same to me as a casual viewer. I can't complain about any camping or timeouts given that I root for Hungrybox in both ultimate and melee.
At least Hbox has to play neutral. Sonic taps B and controls half the screen with no counterplay besides waiting for him to be done. And then he just does it again. The priority on side-B is absurd and you'll be lucky to clank off it instead of missing entirely and eating a combo. Ult is one of my favorite games, but the fact that people play this game competitively is some kind of cruel self-inflicted punishment.
People have to start respecting Sonix more. While yes, his playstyle is not fun to watch, as stated, you have to commend him for maintaining composure and mental strength playing a whole weekend like that, and not only a weekend, countless amount of games. An Iron Will
And with how much hate Sonic gets, it makes his composure even more impressive. No matter if you like him or not, you can't deny that Sonix is an amazing player.
Personally I hope he goes on an absolute tear and inspires a whole bunch of other people to main sonic to great success. Then we can justify banning sonic
Honestly I love Sonic’s playstyle in theory. The idea of a character that is so fast that they gain uncontested control over the tempo of the match is awesome, and I don’t mind Sonic using his speed defensively rather than just offensively. If you could go faster than the speed of sound, you’d be really good at dodging blows too. The issue is the execution. Besides just being kind of basic (especially the dual Spin Dashes), I feel like the main issue is that he has too much vertical movement. I don’t mean he should have poor vertical recovery, but the sheer amount of ways he can get above the stage and stay there is just annoying. He can play defense, just make him a more grounded fighter and focus more on dashing through attacks than jumping past.
I really hope sonic gets a lot of new moves in the next smash game (to be less toxic to fight) Cuz i always wanted to main him since brawl but he's really not fun to play/fight :/
when Sparg0 lost it was almost like he looked over for Sonix reaction to winning then gave him a hug, don't know if I'm reading that right but glad to see Sonix get his flowers
I like going aggro as Sonic as nuch as the next guy but you GOTTA respect Sonix's grind. I'm studying how he plays so I can get better at playing Sonic
Small correction - you said Sonix knew Leo wouldn't fall for the fsmash again, that fsmash is actually a guaranteed confirm off the very late nair Sonix landed in the first game. In that final game, the nair hit was too early, so he could only get bair, so he decided to risk going for a reaction to Leo's airdodge knowing that the bair wouldn't have killed.
Mainly wrong as Sonix dashed back not expecting the nair to hit there as that fsmash was also guaranteed game 3 but since he didn’t react in time he preferred to wait out an option and reset but fsmash after seeing the airdodge
I don't care what people say, i love to watch the current ultimate meta. Sonic and Steve are obviously the best characters but they aren't exactly dominating the rankings
What lol how is the title related to the video? I didn't know sonic was a bad character in ultimate? Seems like more of a top player getting a hard win/1st place they've been going for a long time.
We truly live in a bland timeline for the latest competitive smash game, which is wild bc the game has so many interesting fan favorite roster additions and love poured into its development
Idk what you mean. Maybe I just like patience but I find the slower playstyles are just better than fast ones. If you play reactive and defensive you force approaches. It's why I just played Min Min and Gunner. Sonix is a master of tempo and it makes him a lot more interesting than other players to watch personally.
@@illfordbro he's playing sonic. He literally controls the tempo by default because he gets to choose when he wants to engage. It's the most noncommittal style of play and it's not fun to watch. Notice he's not mentioning Smash Con Sonix gameplay. Even sonix got frustrated with DDee giving him a taste of his own medicine. I'm sure you've seen it but you'll sit here and act as if you don't know Sonix stole Pacman's(DDee) fruit at the start of the game and ran in the corner. Stop the 🧢
@@s3eriousbl9ck26You seem pretty obsessed with shitting on a guy you have never even met just cause he plays a video game in a way you don't like. How about going outside and touching some grass my dude
always remember hate the game not the player. its a smart playstyle in a competitive scene. their playing only for victory, and we need to appreciate his ability to find a unique loophole with an offpick
I’d rather watch sonix camp and time people out than literally any Steve player doing anything with Steve. At least sonix play style requires you to have a brain. Steve just wins because he’s op
Yeah at last some people know hu is amazing for use no dlc or super buff character to win Mk leo use dlc over power characters Spargo use ultra buffer character Acola use crazy dlc chapter Sonix use trash so hu are amazing Sonix
I always hated watching sonic but all the hate sonix has recieved has made me root for him and now I find it atleast decent to watch (not KEN's sonic tho that shit is so much more boring to watch)
Tbh idk how ppl can hate on Sonix so much. The way he understands the game is insane and his decision making is world-fucking-class. Congrats Sonix, I cant imagine what you felt during/after that sigh of relief lol
People people have such short attention spans that if something isnt happening on screen every 2 seconds they freak out and violently hate the person making them wait.
@@eragon78no dude. You know Sonix quit when DDee reversed his timeout situation. Near the start of that same game Sonix stole DDee item and ran to the corner. So not only did he show how petty he can be with the timeout playstyle, he also inadvertently admitted it sucks to play against. This GOML Sonix is different from the Sonix we saw most recently at Smash Con. And we can't act like that is the only time. Before GOML it's was mostly the same. That's the first tourney whr I actually watched most of his matches because he was flowing and not going for sonic cheese. Nbs the shit he did at Smash Con is deadass some of the same shit my 7 year old nephew.
@@s3eriousbl9ck26 He got mad cuz he lost super early in bracket when he was 3rd seed. Literally 90% of top players get mad in those situations. I dont think he cares HOW he lost, just that he DID lose, and for 25th. Besides, when he unplugged, he was already 100% lost. It was 15 seconds left with him down a full stock. It was impossible to win in that scenario, not even just unlikely, literally impossible. Also, Sonix plays to win. Thats how the game is played. You dont have to like it, but if you really hate it that much, either dont watch it, or go play a different game if you really cant stand it. Nobody is forcing you to watch. And yea, it can be frustrating to play against, but this is a tournament. Theyre playing to win. Dont hate the player, hate the game. Besides, some people actually like watching sonic anyways. I personally do myself because I like how intense timeouts actually get, and all the decision making that goes into the few neutral interactions that actually occur, because even a single instance can swing the match. Going for a timeout with a lead, slip up, and suddenly you're the one getting timed out. Thats the exciting part about them. Not for everyone, and thats fine, but its still subjective as to whether or not its enjoyable to watch. And if you really wanna talk about cringy 7 year old behavior, the people who hate on others because they dont like how they play a childrens party game are definitely way cringier. So learn to stop hating people over a video game. You dont have to like the character or the playstyle, but keep it to the character, and dont bring that hate towards the player. Its how the game is played, and if you cant handle that, maybe competitive smash isnt for you.
It's so heartwarming that most Ult spectators have finally gotten over how oppressive and annoying Sonic is in Ult in order to appreciate how much of a hard worker Sonix is.
They really have not. After he lost at Smashcon a toooon of people were ruthlessly dogpiling him and shit talking him. People still hate him a lot simply because he mains sonic. The community is still pretty damn toxic sometimes.
Sonic is not an endurance character. He's simple with low APM, accuracy, and risk. Controlling corridors around the opponent instead of being direct + spin camping is not draining, especially when variations can be chosen at random with little to no consequence.
In the context of a tournament and the fact that he can’t just always auto win just bc he has the lead makes him more of an endurance character than most if not all glass canon characters like Pichu and Fox Even with his spins, he’s still a light character and is whiff punishable due to his hitboxes not being disjointed Playing the character alone is draining and you can’t expect any Sonic player to always win despite even having a stock lead lol
Bro I CAN'T watch Sonic gameplay, this shit just makes me mad. If I had a time machine with one use I'd bring footage of Sonic gameplay to early 2000's Sakurai and prevent the doomed future we live in.
To be honest, he definitely deserved to get a win at a major at some point, the fact that he hadn't had a major win is crazy, especially because of how good of a player he is, congratulations to him for the win!
He did have a major win though. CEO 2022 was a major for ultimate
Sonix is the best in the world when playing tight.
Yeah, he lacked a super mayor win until GOML
He did win a major already though
Well deserved for sure
I got timed out by Sonix in a smash4 online event . Personally I’m still salty lol but I’m happy to see the dude succeed like this . I hope a nice sponsor picks him up cause he’s working hard
Always root for the people who beat you, it’s better to lose to the best player than the worst
I finally understood from where "The MU is inwinnable, Give up" meme come from
Sonix plays to win, not to please.
I respect it.
Lol bruh, it's the worst. This is a fighting game, not a time out simulator
@@rubenpena246Yes, and when you are FIGHTING, one of the best things you can do is play patiently and playing to your advantage...
@@rubenpena246but it's working for him, sonix doesn't have to change his playstile just because a random it's crying
ahh yes I love sweats in video games as well
@@kaishedan37This is a competitive tournament with money on the line. He's not the only sweat there.
Sonix tapped into the power of Archie Sonic rather than Canon Sonic for his run.
Hshahaaaa
Y'all mad sleeping on game sonic.
@@ahmadkazan5473 Archie Sonic does everything regular Sonic does and then some.
The sonic universe only the extent of sonic fans dive Into :/
@@emishimaru-sama6449 What?
It's such a shame that Sonic is so good as camping. Sonic's aggressive tools and combos are pretty cool. IMO, when a Sonic isn't camping, he's actually a fun character to watch; and even when he does camp it's still sometimes pretty good.
I just feel bad that Sonix gets so much hate, he's really really good at the game, and it's not his fault that Sakurai doesn't know how to consistently design good characters.
But it is his fault for choosing to main the character with that play style
@@meee_5155you blaming him for wanting to win?
@@meee_5155 So no one should pick Sonic at all? Should we should just ban Sonic bc you don't like how he plays?
There's always going to be someone representing every top tier character. Sonix just happened to be that guy because (as his name implies) he is a fan of Sonic in general. He probably would've played Sonic even if he wasn't that good.
This game has more poorly designed characters than good ones. You could point fingers at any one of them. Complain that the game is bad all you want, but don't take it out on the players. Either appreciate what top level play is in this game, or go find a different game to watch.
@atmes7257 He didn't pick up Sonic so he can win in smash, he picked up smash so he can play Sonic.
Also Sonic was considered a mid tier until Sonix developed his meta to this point where people consider him top 3-5 or even top 1 with a character like Steve present
ok to say Sakurai doesn't know how to design good characters is cap
Glad to see he could finally put it together after so many close calls. Also cool to see you covering Ult as well as Melee!
Honestly sonix’s playstyle looks incredible to watch and break down.
Maybe it’s because I primarily play turn based games but I love to see decision making and outwitting opponents, watching him set up those situations where he knows he can come out on top is so cool
i always found that if you know smash player like dabuzz sonix acola and hungrybox on melee are the most facinating at work , you can cleary see the mind game , the micro spacing , it a great testament to fundamental
7:30 God DAMN that's some cool analysis, props to Jazara and Walt. Really cool video!
honestly love these PG stats styled vids (may that channel rest in peace) keep up the great content!
I mainly dislike watching sonic because all his moves look about the same to me as a casual viewer. I can't complain about any camping or timeouts given that I root for Hungrybox in both ultimate and melee.
At least Hbox has to play neutral. Sonic taps B and controls half the screen with no counterplay besides waiting for him to be done. And then he just does it again. The priority on side-B is absurd and you'll be lucky to clank off it instead of missing entirely and eating a combo.
Ult is one of my favorite games, but the fact that people play this game competitively is some kind of cruel self-inflicted punishment.
I love when you make ultimate videos! not very many big personalities in ultimate anymore so videos like these are always a pleasure
People have to start respecting Sonix more. While yes, his playstyle is not fun to watch, as stated, you have to commend him for maintaining composure and mental strength playing a whole weekend like that, and not only a weekend, countless amount of games.
An Iron Will
And with how much hate Sonic gets, it makes his composure even more impressive. No matter if you like him or not, you can't deny that Sonix is an amazing player.
Personally I hope he goes on an absolute tear and inspires a whole bunch of other people to main sonic to great success. Then we can justify banning sonic
@@psymarReckless, yet perhaps the correct answer
I just remember how he rage quit from being stalled himself. Can dish it but can't take it Lol
@@affrun11everyone wants that to be a rage quit so bad. he was in checkmate and ended the game lol stop adding your agenda to it
Honestly I love Sonic’s playstyle in theory. The idea of a character that is so fast that they gain uncontested control over the tempo of the match is awesome, and I don’t mind Sonic using his speed defensively rather than just offensively. If you could go faster than the speed of sound, you’d be really good at dodging blows too.
The issue is the execution. Besides just being kind of basic (especially the dual Spin Dashes), I feel like the main issue is that he has too much vertical movement. I don’t mean he should have poor vertical recovery, but the sheer amount of ways he can get above the stage and stay there is just annoying. He can play defense, just make him a more grounded fighter and focus more on dashing through attacks than jumping past.
4:44 you crossed that out for no reason because it applies. Sonix still has to take the offensive at some point to win off the clock.
Theoretically he doesn't have to, but yeah, he usually does play relatively offensively
@@LARAUJO_0 no. To win with a defensive style in combat, one must capitalize on errors made by the opponent to score
Yabba dabba doooooo
Has sonix really never won a major? He’s been a very strong player for a while, I’m surprised
He won the CEO tournament last year against Riddles. VOD not on UA-cam though since it was livestreamed by Team Panda if I recall correctly.
He won CEO 2022, which was a major. TDFW specifies 'first major win in over a year' because of that.
He could have won Collision 2023 but omega choked
I really hope sonic gets a lot of new moves in the next smash game (to be less toxic to fight)
Cuz i always wanted to main him since brawl but he's really not fun to play/fight :/
L E T S G O W A L T
this is the greatest worst character smash bros tournament win of all time
when Sparg0 lost it was almost like he looked over for Sonix reaction to winning then gave him a hug, don't know if I'm reading that right but glad to see Sonix get his flowers
That discord screenshot goes unreal
Yea he became sonic in his effort
Mad respect
Do a video on all the 2nd places sonix has gotten this year
Man i knew Sonix was very good but i never saw him win a big tournament
Nice job
I like going aggro as Sonic as nuch as the next guy but you GOTTA respect Sonix's grind. I'm studying how he plays so I can get better at playing Sonic
Small correction - you said Sonix knew Leo wouldn't fall for the fsmash again, that fsmash is actually a guaranteed confirm off the very late nair Sonix landed in the first game. In that final game, the nair hit was too early, so he could only get bair, so he decided to risk going for a reaction to Leo's airdodge knowing that the bair wouldn't have killed.
Mainly wrong as Sonix dashed back not expecting the nair to hit there as that fsmash was also guaranteed game 3 but since he didn’t react in time he preferred to wait out an option and reset but fsmash after seeing the airdodge
ah thanks that makes sense @@Alibaba-id1cs
I don't care what people say, i love to watch the current ultimate meta. Sonic and Steve are obviously the best characters but they aren't exactly dominating the rankings
sonic is one of the best characters
What lol how is the title related to the video? I didn't know sonic was a bad character in ultimate? Seems like more of a top player getting a hard win/1st place they've been going for a long time.
If they ever make a new smash game and have sonic I it. They need to revamp sonic. Some frontiers inspiration would be good.
When having fun is not an option lol absolute degenerate playstyle. Sonix seems like a nice dude but I can't respect playing like this
We truly live in a bland timeline for the latest competitive smash game, which is wild bc the game has so many interesting fan favorite roster additions and love poured into its development
Idk what you mean. Maybe I just like patience but I find the slower playstyles are just better than fast ones. If you play reactive and defensive you force approaches. It's why I just played Min Min and Gunner. Sonix is a master of tempo and it makes him a lot more interesting than other players to watch personally.
@@illfordbro he's playing sonic. He literally controls the tempo by default because he gets to choose when he wants to engage. It's the most noncommittal style of play and it's not fun to watch.
Notice he's not mentioning Smash Con Sonix gameplay. Even sonix got frustrated with DDee giving him a taste of his own medicine. I'm sure you've seen it but you'll sit here and act as if you don't know Sonix stole Pacman's(DDee) fruit at the start of the game and ran in the corner. Stop the 🧢
@@s3eriousbl9ck26You seem pretty obsessed with shitting on a guy you have never even met just cause he plays a video game in a way you don't like. How about going outside and touching some grass my dude
always remember hate the game not the player. its a smart playstyle in a competitive scene. their playing only for victory, and we need to appreciate his ability to find a unique loophole with an offpick
I’d rather watch sonix camp and time people out than literally any Steve player doing anything with Steve.
At least sonix play style requires you to have a brain. Steve just wins because he’s op
Both play styles are scummy😂
@@rubenpena246 Jab Jab Jab Jab Jab Jab Forward air is a true steve tod combo.
Steve is horrible
@@SchizoCannibal ...Against a few specific characters. Doesn't work on most of the cast.
Yeah at last some people know hu is amazing for use no dlc or super buff character to win
Mk leo use dlc over power characters
Spargo use ultra buffer character
Acola use crazy dlc chapter
Sonix use trash so hu are amazing
Sonix
this video’s editing is a dub
I always hated watching sonic but all the hate sonix has recieved has made me root for him and now I find it atleast decent to watch (not KEN's sonic tho that shit is so much more boring to watch)
13:12 aww, cute hug
This is why I dont watch ultimate and never will
Sonix is a fun to watch sonic player. Stop being salty
If you can watch Hungrybox camp out his opponents in melee then you can definitely watch Sonix 😂😂
@@rebelresourceSmash Con is more recent and he definitely was on some bs
@@tales9342I can't to be honest. I got more into melee when Jmook came around.
Shout outs to Mario 64 Wario Vs Sonic percent.
Thanks for the good vid Walt
Your videos are great
Sounds like Melee puff 🤔
hello ; is it possible to have the list of the music for the video? thx
Neither wavedash nor momocon were majors btw
Sonix is one of the most enjoyable sonics to watch
Thats some big cap
Lol 😂 but still one of the worst players to watch for spectators
Nice joke.
which says a lot about sonic players
does anyone know the music used in this video?
I find Sonix very cool to watch. His decision making is very good, and his punish game and edgeguards are insane.
Tbh idk how ppl can hate on Sonix so much. The way he understands the game is insane and his decision making is world-fucking-class. Congrats Sonix, I cant imagine what you felt during/after that sigh of relief lol
People people have such short attention spans that if something isnt happening on screen every 2 seconds they freak out and violently hate the person making them wait.
@@eragon78no dude. You know Sonix quit when DDee reversed his timeout situation. Near the start of that same game Sonix stole DDee item and ran to the corner. So not only did he show how petty he can be with the timeout playstyle, he also inadvertently admitted it sucks to play against.
This GOML Sonix is different from the Sonix we saw most recently at Smash Con. And we can't act like that is the only time. Before GOML it's was mostly the same. That's the first tourney whr I actually watched most of his matches because he was flowing and not going for sonic cheese. Nbs the shit he did at Smash Con is deadass some of the same shit my 7 year old nephew.
@@s3eriousbl9ck26 He got mad cuz he lost super early in bracket when he was 3rd seed. Literally 90% of top players get mad in those situations. I dont think he cares HOW he lost, just that he DID lose, and for 25th. Besides, when he unplugged, he was already 100% lost. It was 15 seconds left with him down a full stock. It was impossible to win in that scenario, not even just unlikely, literally impossible.
Also, Sonix plays to win. Thats how the game is played. You dont have to like it, but if you really hate it that much, either dont watch it, or go play a different game if you really cant stand it. Nobody is forcing you to watch. And yea, it can be frustrating to play against, but this is a tournament. Theyre playing to win. Dont hate the player, hate the game. Besides, some people actually like watching sonic anyways. I personally do myself because I like how intense timeouts actually get, and all the decision making that goes into the few neutral interactions that actually occur, because even a single instance can swing the match. Going for a timeout with a lead, slip up, and suddenly you're the one getting timed out. Thats the exciting part about them. Not for everyone, and thats fine, but its still subjective as to whether or not its enjoyable to watch.
And if you really wanna talk about cringy 7 year old behavior, the people who hate on others because they dont like how they play a childrens party game are definitely way cringier.
So learn to stop hating people over a video game. You dont have to like the character or the playstyle, but keep it to the character, and dont bring that hate towards the player. Its how the game is played, and if you cant handle that, maybe competitive smash isnt for you.
Naw dude. He was pissed he got timed out. He couldn't take his own medicine. It's all on video dude lol
I hate Sonix if he's beating my favorite player, but other than that he's cool
Sonix is so sick ‼️💥🔥
He's not fun to watch bro. Do you really think anyone wants to watch games that long consistently lolol
Sonix is honestly my favorite player in ultimate right now.
I wonder why
Sonix is horrible to watch😂A spectators worst nightmare!!!
Faith in smash ultimate is gone.
I want a video explaining how acola is almost completely unstoppable
the pgstats thumbnail
walt
‘Sonix is not fun to watch’ is not true for me
Lol well you're one of the few😂
@@rubenpena246 we're one of many my friend😎
we are legions@@rubenpena246
It's so heartwarming that most Ult spectators have finally gotten over how oppressive and annoying Sonic is in Ult in order to appreciate how much of a hard worker Sonix is.
They really have not. After he lost at Smashcon a toooon of people were ruthlessly dogpiling him and shit talking him.
People still hate him a lot simply because he mains sonic. The community is still pretty damn toxic sometimes.
Sonix kills the game on a spectator level. Don't believe me? You'll see😂
@@rubenpena246so? Just don't watch the match if you don't like it.
WALTIMUS MAXIMUS
Sonic is not an endurance character. He's simple with low APM, accuracy, and risk. Controlling corridors around the opponent instead of being direct + spin camping is not draining, especially when variations can be chosen at random with little to no consequence.
In the context of a tournament and the fact that he can’t just always auto win just bc he has the lead makes him more of an endurance character than most if not all glass canon characters like Pichu and Fox
Even with his spins, he’s still a light character and is whiff punishable due to his hitboxes not being disjointed
Playing the character alone is draining and you can’t expect any Sonic player to always win despite even having a stock lead lol
None of what you said related to using endurance. @@Alibaba-id1cs
boring aah playstyle, can be hype to see him lose tho
He's killing the game more then Steve
Bro I CAN'T watch Sonic gameplay, this shit just makes me mad. If I had a time machine with one use I'd bring footage of Sonic gameplay to early 2000's Sakurai and prevent the doomed future we live in.
Sonic's success has ruined the viewing experience and killed the game a lot for me
Me but with corrin
you do realize you could just, not watch him right?
Same, I can't watch his sets. Which kills the spectating aspect for many
@@infernomaster1030 We don't, then viewership drops. This is the issue.
didnt click on another video, be sad walt
I hate ultimate.
i hate sonix but i respect him
:)
booooooooooooooooooooo
FINALLY an Ultimate video! Please upload more Ultimate, you upload too many Melee videos
Sonic is jus too good, the real problems of smash are ness and lucas
I mean, you say that, but Steve is the worst character I know, followed closely by Min-Min. 😏
Ok, I don't really follow smash ultimate religiously, but I thought Steve got banned?