Borodin heard a friend playing the Bach and took the fugue subject in a different direction, basing this entire sonata on it. Borodin based the Allegro of the first movement of his Quartet No. 1 in A-major on a snippet from Beethoven's "Emperor" Piano Concerto, said snippet buried a bit deeper in the movement than the bit of Bach fugue you recognized here. There is a video of a live performance of the A-major quartet by an Australian ensemble that is truly first-rate, as well as a performance with the scrolling score. If you have a bit more than a half-hour to spend, either or both of those vids would be time well-spent.
Wunderschöne und lyrische Interpretation dieses romantischen und ein bisschen ethnisch komponierten Sonate im veränderlichen Tempo mit mildem doch gut phrasiertem Ton des genialen Violoncellos und klar artikuliertem doch zugleich anmutigem Klang des ebenso genialen Klaviers. Der zweite Satz klingt besonders lyrisch und auch nostalgisch. Der intime und perfekt entsprechende Dialog zwischen den beiden Virtuosen ist wahrlich ergreifend. Einfach wundebar!
Listen to his string quartets. The second is pretty good, but the first is nothing short of a masterpiece. Also, his symphonies were highly regarded by Franz Liszt among others. And while listening to the symphonies, also look up the performance of the Scherzo in D-major, played by the Vendradis quartet, available elsewhere on UA-cam. Also, Google the Borodin-Hunsdecker reaction (Yeah, same guy).
very cute :) Borodin used the J. S. Bach's theme (BWV 1001 Violin Sonata/Fuga) as an main element in the 1st movement.. It is a very nice postmodern approach.. He apparently did not try to hide but using that as main building block, and even polyphonic texture as Bach did ... great job
Interesting tidbit: this wasn’t published until the 1980s, because it had only survived in an incomplete version. A musicologist by the name of Goldstein completed and pieced together the work. It’s uncertain how much Goldstein wrote himself, but it is a beautiful work regardless!
Michael Goldstein is notorious for his musical fakes. There is no edition of the piece that reveals what is by Borodin and what is by Goldstein. Until there is, I don't believe in Borodin. But if it is a fake, then it is a very good one. For comparison, you can listen to Goldstein's "Balakirev" (Impromptus for violin and piano) and you can believe that he composed the complete sonata himself.
What an utterly wonderful Sonata. As a cellist and lover of Russian music, how did this pass me by!? I wonder if Rachmaninov knew this sonata? There are several moments that remind me a little of his much more famous sonata. Thank you for uploading.
@@ЕленаШатравка-ц5з He only wrote one, in G minor, around the same time as the famous second piano concerto. There are loads of recordings. Just type Rachmaninov cello Sonata into UA-cam.
@@Leea25, thank you so much! Thank you for patiently answering, and not sending me on a long erotic journey right away;) I will definitely listen to it. I am unlikely to be disappointed, because I adore Rachmaninoff in all his manifestations😊
7:41 I was listening to this in the background and was quite surprised when I thought I heard Borodin’s 2nd symphony, but it seems like it’s just a self-quotation of sorts haha
@@smhmyhead8017 Thanks! Didn't know that. Btw smh means shake my head so your name means shake my head my head, not sure if that was an accident or not.
I made top 80 😁. Grate job, and Borodin is my favorit composer for chamber music. Love his both string quartets, however the 2-d became more popular due to its 2-d mov. Nocturne. But the 1-st string quartet is beating its follower due to all 4 movements are evenly filigree .
Agreed on the A-major Quartet. I would rate Borodin's first quartet as equal or superior to those of Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Shostakovich, Mendelssohn.... Borodin references Haydn and Beethoven in the first movement of the A-major quartet and manages to weave a fugue out of the Beethoven theme that Bach might have envied, the second movement foreshadows some of Shostakovich's eighth quartet, the third movement could have been Mendlssohn's featherstitching, and the finale was the exclamation point on Borodin's chamber masterpiece.
I am currently working on Telemann’s Gamba Sonata in A minor 46:a6 and it’s surprising for me to find a lot of similarities on the motifs and ritmic patrons. I’m not a huge fan of Borodin, as I am more into Early Music. Does somebody knows if Telemann’s work had an influence on Borodin’s?
This is great!! Thank you so much for providing great content. I have been hoping to contact you in regards to a video idea I would love for you to do in the near future....Do you think you could post the music to Mahler’s 8th symphony? I would love to follow the music to that one. Also, if you do, do you think you could use the Robert Shaw telarc recording of the 8th? I have always wanted to hear Robert Shaw’s version of the Mahler 8th. I would be so grateful. 🤗🎶
Personally, I think this work is a hoax - Mikhail Goldstein, who only claims to have completed this work by Borodin, has presented a number of fake works to the public, such as an "Impromptu" by Balakirev or an album leaf by Glazunov - not to mention the "Symphony No. 21 by Nikolai Ovsyanniko-Kulikovsky". Nonetheless, a beautiful work.
Makes you wonder why Goldstein didn't use his obvious talent for composing and imitating, fooling experts, just like Han van Meegeren faking Vermeer, to write his own music.
@@bartjebartmans I would assume the following: From what I know, he wrote the "Symphony No. 21 by Nikolai Ovsyanniko-Kulikovsky" because he was antisemitically criticised for using Ukrainian themes in his own compositions because, as a Jew, he had no connection to the soul of these songs. In response, he wrote this symphony and passed it off as the first Ukrainian symphony in music history, composed in 1809 - which the Soviet music world fell for. As far as Borodin is concerned, I know nothing more. What is clear is that Soviet society was very anti-Semitic, especially after 1945, which ruined many Jewish composers. Perhaps Goldstein only felt complete artistic freedom in writing such hoaxes.
@@derphysiker1774 Makes total sense. In a strange way van Meegeren had something in common with Goldstein. Van Meegeren attempted to make a career as an artist, but art critics dismissed his work. He decided to prove his talent by forging paintings from the Dutch Golden Age. Leading experts of the time accepted his paintings as genuine 17th-century works, including Dr Abraham Bredius. He became a national hero after World War II when it was revealed that he had sold a forged Vermeer painting to Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands.
@@bartjebartmans Quite a good comparison! Nevertheless, van Meegeren said: ,,My triumph as a forger was my failure as a creative artist." I'm not sure if Goldstein would have said that.
@@leonhardeuler6811 oups i didnt knew that you werent french, im really sorry. I forgot that fugue is the same Word in french and english. I wanted to say that bwv539 and bwv 1001 are the same, the fugue has some differences because bwv539 is an adaptation for organ.
@@demandols8555 Inutile de s'excuser. Mon francais, est-ce bien? Je n'utilse pas "google translate". Aussi, je prefere bwv 1001, le fugue est plus adapte pour violon que piano.
Keith Foester -- Yes they did! Each household had their own musical repertory....one to accompany Swill...another for Gruel. Serfdom had moments of great joy!
@@dLP1917 Doesn't a genius compose a whole sonata based on their own personal melodies? Wasn't Bach a genius, or should Bach have written his violin sonata based on someone else's melodies for it to be considered genius?
Composers used each other melodies, themes and phrases all the time. It was common practice. Nobody thought anything of it and at times it was even seen as an honor.
sounds exactly like the Bach fugue from the solo violin sonata no. 1 lol
See info under video.
It's obvious, Borodin uses that theme
Borodin heard a friend playing the Bach and took the fugue subject in a different direction, basing this entire sonata on it.
Borodin based the Allegro of the first movement of his Quartet No. 1 in A-major on a snippet from Beethoven's "Emperor" Piano Concerto, said snippet buried a bit deeper in the movement than the bit of Bach fugue you recognized here.
There is a video of a live performance of the A-major quartet by an Australian ensemble that is truly first-rate, as well as a performance with the scrolling score.
If you have a bit more than a half-hour to spend, either or both of those vids would be time well-spent.
Where?
we are truly blessed to be able to access music like this with such ease. my appreciation.
I didn't think Borodin wrote a cello sonata.
beautiful sonata!
Wunderschöne und lyrische Interpretation dieses romantischen und ein bisschen ethnisch komponierten Sonate im veränderlichen Tempo mit mildem doch gut phrasiertem Ton des genialen Violoncellos und klar artikuliertem doch zugleich anmutigem Klang des ebenso genialen Klaviers. Der zweite Satz klingt besonders lyrisch und auch nostalgisch. Der intime und perfekt entsprechende Dialog zwischen den beiden Virtuosen ist wahrlich ergreifend. Einfach wundebar!
Oh, how fresh and tender sonata!.. I knew Borodin only as the author of "Prince Igor", the stronger my admiration is now
Listen to his string quartets. The second is pretty good, but the first is nothing short of a masterpiece. Also, his symphonies were highly regarded by Franz Liszt among others. And while listening to the symphonies, also look up the performance of the Scherzo in D-major, played by the Vendradis quartet, available elsewhere on UA-cam.
Also, Google the Borodin-Hunsdecker reaction (Yeah, same guy).
very cute :) Borodin used the J. S. Bach's theme (BWV 1001 Violin Sonata/Fuga) as an main element in the 1st movement.. It is a very nice postmodern approach.. He apparently did not try to hide but using that as main building block, and even polyphonic texture as Bach did ... great job
Thank you for sharing this wonderful piece! Keep up the great work
Блестящее исполнение! Огромное вам спасибо!
Interesting tidbit: this wasn’t published until the 1980s, because it had only survived in an incomplete version. A musicologist by the name of Goldstein completed and pieced together the work. It’s uncertain how much Goldstein wrote himself, but it is a beautiful work regardless!
Michael Goldstein is notorious for his musical fakes. There is no edition of the piece that reveals what is by Borodin and what is by Goldstein. Until there is, I don't believe in Borodin. But if it is a fake, then it is a very good one. For comparison, you can listen to Goldstein's "Balakirev" (Impromptus for violin and piano) and you can believe that he composed the complete sonata himself.
I’ve never heard this! Wonderful wonderful music - thank you for sharing!
Thanks for uploading!
Wonderful performance!!
r/PieceoftheDay featured this piece today, September 6th 2021.
Thank you a lot, this is so good
Very beautiful ~ thank you!
What an utterly wonderful Sonata. As a cellist and lover of Russian music, how did this pass me by!? I wonder if Rachmaninov knew this sonata? There are several moments that remind me a little of his much more famous sonata. Thank you for uploading.
The second theme section of the first movement could be a cousin of the Rachmaninov cello sonata
Oh, I've never heard of Rachmaninoff's cello sonatas. Which one are you talking about? Could you please give me a link?
@@ЕленаШатравка-ц5з He only wrote one, in G minor, around the same time as the famous second piano concerto. There are loads of recordings. Just type Rachmaninov cello Sonata into UA-cam.
@@Leea25, thank you so much! Thank you for patiently answering, and not sending me on a long erotic journey right away;) I will definitely listen to it. I am unlikely to be disappointed, because I adore Rachmaninoff in all his manifestations😊
@@ЕленаШатравка-ц5з Enjoy! It is a wonderful piece.
7:41 I was listening to this in the background and was quite surprised when I thought I heard Borodin’s 2nd symphony, but it seems like it’s just a self-quotation of sorts haha
Gives me some Baroque Vibes at some points. Really great.
The theme is literally from the fugue of bach g minor violin sonata
@@smhmyhead8017 Thanks! Didn't know that. Btw smh means shake my head so your name means shake my head my head, not sure if that was an accident or not.
@@benthepen3336 yeah I did it on purpose, it's just a stupid name
excellent, this video is fantastic for me as a composer (my pieces are presented in my new channel), thank you very much❤☘🌱🌿🙏
I made top 80 😁. Grate job, and Borodin is my favorit composer for chamber music. Love his both string quartets, however the 2-d became more popular due to its 2-d mov. Nocturne. But the 1-st string quartet is beating its follower due to all 4 movements are evenly filigree .
Agreed on the A-major Quartet. I would rate Borodin's first quartet as equal or superior to those of Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Shostakovich, Mendelssohn....
Borodin references Haydn and Beethoven in the first movement of the A-major quartet and manages to weave a fugue out of the Beethoven theme that Bach might have envied, the second movement foreshadows some of Shostakovich's eighth quartet, the third movement could have been Mendlssohn's featherstitching, and the finale was the exclamation point on Borodin's chamber masterpiece.
こんなカッコいい曲を書いてたなんて知らなかった…
This is an amazing composition. Even more amazing is that in his own day Borodin was better known as a doctor and chemist than a composer.
😍😍😍
Sounds just like the epic solo violin fugue from the Bach sonata in g minor
That's what this piece was based on
@@JoshuaSobel Well, that explains it then!
6:42
I am currently working on Telemann’s Gamba Sonata in A minor 46:a6 and it’s surprising for me to find a lot of similarities on the motifs and ritmic patrons. I’m not a huge fan of Borodin, as I am more into Early Music. Does somebody knows if Telemann’s work had an influence on Borodin’s?
this piece is based on bachs fugue fron the violin sonata
Do you have the sheet music for this
I've been searching for a year to get them but they're only on sketchy website for a very high price😭
Where did you find the sheet music for this?
nkoda, but unfortunately for a fee
This is great!! Thank you so much for providing great content. I have been hoping to contact you in regards to a video idea I would love for you to do in the near future....Do you think you could post the music to Mahler’s 8th symphony? I would love to follow the music to that one. Also, if you do, do you think you could use the Robert Shaw telarc recording of the 8th? I have always wanted to hear Robert Shaw’s version of the Mahler 8th. I would be so grateful. 🤗🎶
the Robert Shaw recording is on UA-cam. There is already a score video of the 8th with Solti. Let me think about it.
Is it really? I could only find 13 minutes of the recording, the finale, but not the whole thing. Thank you so much for considering. 🤗🎶
Dear Bartje, "The Five" group we call "Moguchaya kuchka" ("Mighty Bunch"?!? Hmmm, I don't think so) in Russia
Keep in mind that info under videos are not my personal opinions but in general taken from trusted sources.
@@bartjebartmans, sure, sir. I'm sincerely sorry
We say "Mighty Handful" in English, but "the Five" is also used and understood.
@@mallorybesom1717, no doubt, but I'm russian-speaking user, so we have the only "Mighty handful" name.
My English is too awful for your eyes, sorry😁
first notes are like a bach's g minor violin fugue
Personally, I think this work is a hoax - Mikhail Goldstein, who only claims to have completed this work by Borodin, has presented a number of fake works to the public, such as an "Impromptu" by Balakirev or an album leaf by Glazunov - not to mention the "Symphony No. 21 by Nikolai Ovsyanniko-Kulikovsky". Nonetheless, a beautiful work.
Makes you wonder why Goldstein didn't use his obvious talent for composing and imitating, fooling experts, just like Han van Meegeren faking Vermeer, to write his own music.
@@bartjebartmans I would assume the following: From what I know, he wrote the "Symphony No. 21 by Nikolai Ovsyanniko-Kulikovsky" because he was antisemitically criticised for using Ukrainian themes in his own compositions because, as a Jew, he had no connection to the soul of these songs. In response, he wrote this symphony and passed it off as the first Ukrainian symphony in music history, composed in 1809 - which the Soviet music world fell for. As far as Borodin is concerned, I know nothing more. What is clear is that Soviet society was very anti-Semitic, especially after 1945, which ruined many Jewish composers. Perhaps Goldstein only felt complete artistic freedom in writing such hoaxes.
@@derphysiker1774 Makes total sense. In a strange way van Meegeren had something in common with Goldstein. Van Meegeren attempted to make a career as an artist, but art critics dismissed his work. He decided to prove his talent by forging paintings from the Dutch Golden Age. Leading experts of the time accepted his paintings as genuine 17th-century works, including Dr Abraham Bredius. He became a national hero after World War II when it was revealed that he had sold a forged Vermeer painting to Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands.
@@bartjebartmans Quite a good comparison! Nevertheless, van Meegeren said: ,,My triumph as a forger was my failure as a creative artist." I'm not sure if Goldstein would have said that.
Bwv539 fugue
bwv 1001
@@leonhardeuler6811 oui également
@@demandols8555 j'ai pris des cours de francais pour 3 ans (lycee), et je ne sais pas quoi "egalement" signifcar.
How was my french lol?
@@leonhardeuler6811 oups i didnt knew that you werent french, im really sorry. I forgot that fugue is the same Word in french and english. I wanted to say that bwv539 and bwv 1001 are the same, the fugue has some differences because bwv539 is an adaptation for organ.
@@demandols8555 Inutile de s'excuser. Mon francais, est-ce bien? Je n'utilse pas "google translate".
Aussi, je prefere bwv 1001, le fugue est plus adapte pour violon que piano.
Where I can find the partition of this composition?
i wonder if the lower classes like the peasants ever hear this music in their time.
Keith Foester -- Yes they did! Each household had their own musical repertory....one to accompany Swill...another for Gruel. Serfdom had moments of great joy!
Didn't like that he just used Bach's melody, feels kind of uninspiring. Still good composition though
You are kidding right? It obviously inspired Borodin otherwise you wouldn't be able to comment on it. Reality check.
Borodin was a genius, he composed a whole sonata inspired by just a few bars of BWV 1001…
@@dLP1917 Doesn't a genius compose a whole sonata based on their own personal melodies? Wasn't Bach a genius, or should Bach have written his violin sonata based on someone else's melodies for it to be considered genius?
Lots of famous masterworks of the classical music was inspired by popular music, actually.
Composers used each other melodies, themes and phrases all the time. It was common practice. Nobody thought anything of it and at times it was even seen as an honor.