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Here's a suggestion to The Cold War, to David and Nolan Karimov: since you did a presentation on the Soviet passport (a good one, I might add), why not do a presentation on the 5th row, or "pyataya grafa," of the Soviet passport, which indicated the citizens' nationality, or ethnicity, such as "Russian," "Ukrainian," "Jew," etc. This row in the passport caused many people, especially Jews, Germans, and other ethnicities, to face prejudice and discrimination. My parents, as Jews, experienced a lot of discrimination, and I myself experienced a lot of prejudice, growing up in the former USSR. It would be nice if you made a video on that.
My aunt used to travel in the Soviet Union in the early 80s and told me how backwards it looked like compared to Bulgaria. Back then Soviet citizens could travel easier to Bulgaria than other socialist countries and a lot of them came here for a vacation or to buy something which they couldnt find in the USSR. Aunt used to tell me how they were amazed when they saw that we had discotheques and that we sold Western music which was almost impossible to find in the Soviet Union....
The Cold War Conversation podcast have a story from a person in the communist Czech era. Similar to yours, they are surprised that the hotel workers where they stayed at in Moscow for vacation asked to buy their stockings, because Moscow didn't have those materials...
@@toukairin354 Ah that's nothing. Bulgarians used to stock their luggage with tracksuits and sneakers who were in big demand back then in the USSR in exchange for Soviet leather jackets and materials which were very popular and well made.
A young man that I was friends with told me that in the Soviet Union there was a bribery system not very different than the one in New York. In New York you would attach a folded 50 or 100 dollar bill to the back of your driver's license with a paperclip. When you got stopped you gave the officer the license and didn't say anything. Most of the time, you got a warning and when they gave you back your license, the Paperclip wasn't holding money anymore. If the Officer asked what the money was doing attached to the license, you just said that's where you saved some back-up cash. Soviet citizens, of financial means, would clip a larger paper bill inside their passport for basically the same thing (and excuse, if questioned). Whatever they were doing wrong was ignored and when their 'papers' were handed back to them, it didn't contain money anymore. For as different as the people and systems of government were, people are very similar... Yall Take Care, John
fun fact, komsomol code phrase to talk about stuff like that was translated literally as "solving questions" lol Hey, comrade, can we solve this question? (say with thick russian accent)
I’m using my “internal” Russian passport cover as a banknote holder and a few months ago a patrol officer reprimanded me on trying something inappropriate on him when he was going through my papers during a random street shakedown and saw I had cash stashed there. It still exists.
A similar system exists in China nowadays. It also combines the thousand-year population management tradition. But in recent decades, due to the laborforce need from the big cities, especially due to a specified social event, which discussed in public, nowadays it's not that strict anymore. But it still exists and can be tight up anytime when the government feels necessary. Also, due to the difference between the Social warfare systems of different cities, it is still quite challenging for any citizen who tries to permanently move to another place to live in China. There is a joke among overseas Chinese migrants: The residential right in Shanghai is much more valuable than the citizenship of Australia. But still, I have chosen the latter. XD
Ukraine still had internal passports when I was last there in 2014. A friend of mine came to the U.S. for 3 months and she had her internal passport with her. The internal passport was done away with in favor of an I.D. card similar looking to a U.S. or Canadian drivers license some time between 2016 & 2018.
Yes. As a Ukrainian, as far as I know, all the countries from USSR proper still use separate foreign/internal passports. In my country, the internal passport now is a ID card, but unfortunately, the propiska still exists (though now it's more a really annoying nuisance than a repression tool)
@@theonewhosmellsverynice over here in the U.S. we mostly use our Drivers License like an internal passport the only time anyone will ask to look at it is if going into a financial institution like a bank or if buying something over X amount of dollars with a check. Some employers will ask to see it when applying for a job so that they can do a check your credit history which think is none of their dammed business anyways. Some people can also apply for a none drivers license but I don't know what they look like.
@@billhanna2148 try getting a driver's license in NY changed over if your from another state they provide a list of things they want to see but heaven forbid there is no social security card be ready to be treated like a stateless jew in Nazi Germany.
Here's a suggestion to The Cold War, to David and Nolan Karimov: since you did a presentation on the Soviet passport (a good one, I might add), why not do a presentation on the 5th row, or "pyataya grafa," of the Soviet passport, which indicated the citizens' nationality, or ethnicity, such as "Russian," "Ukrainian," "Jew," etc. This row in the passport caused many people, especially Jews, Germans, and other ethnicities, to face prejudice and discrimination. My parents, as Jews, experienced a lot of discrimination, and I myself experienced a lot of prejudice, growing up in the former USSR. It would be nice if you made a video on that.
Very informative. I have two Soviet Era Passports of mention: 1. Red leather Diplomatic passport printed in both RUSSIAN and FRENCH. Issued in 1946 to Chief of the Section Ministry of Industry and Construction RSS Ukraine. What is especially interesting is it was PRINTED in 1944. Printed in French which likely means June to Dec. D-day to The Battle of the Bulge. 1944 - The war is still going on and the Soviets are planning ahead. 2. Green vinyl "Certificate" "Passport" type Identification booklet with embossed State Seal. Issued to Charles Bvuma for Courses taken (January-June 1979) at Odessa Combined Military School Majoring in Commander of Infantry Battalion "The bearer of the Present Certificate enjoys the privilege for independent activity associated with the Major Subject. Signed by a Major-General reportedly of the GRU. Thus a Soviet trained interventionist in Africa. I purchased it from a "Weapons Brokerage" person who brought it back from Africa.
Just to add to your good video: In the USSR every male was, and still is, required to get a stamp in the passport with the address of permanent residence and the military conscription status. If you wanted to permanently move to another place, you had to find somebody who wants to move to your place (“switch places”). You must also get a military registration before you get a new address in your internal passport. Same procedure was for a temporary move for over 90 days of stay (usually to go to college, etc.) After the fall of the USSR there were some changes: KGB became FSB - only name, “Propiska “ became “Registration” of your address, etc.
You can freely move anywhere within a country and techinicaly do not need to register on an new place, but you won't get many government services in location until registered there. But it's going away rather quickly as global electronic document exchange between regions and government entities was introduced
In America you have American Express traveler's checks: "Don't leave home without it!" In Soviet Union we had Russian Express traveler's checks: "Don't leave home!"...
Internal passport is still a thing now, and penalties - or, rather, police racket - for failing to register remain a thing. It's only a few months that I finally gotten rid of mine after more than a decade in Germany. My great grandma forged a passport to move from the Chernozem - a breadbasket of Russia - all the way to Balkhash sea in Kazakhstan in order to save the family from... hunger. Moscow was another option, but she feared her forgery will be found out. But no one really looked - a worker living in fear is better than a worker living in slightly less fear when you make shock-industrialization. By the way, her cousin went to Moscow, became a metro builder, and no one checked her pass for the same reason. My grandma-in-law had a legal one, but with a twist. Her and neighboring villages in Pskov oblast were burnt down by retreating Germans, and only by luck not with the inhabitants that were already sealed in a barn. Now, with one of those villages burned school, and she, in her mid teens and skipping several years due to the occupation, had to attend one in a town. Because of that, she was given a passport, and that allowed her to then get to Leningrad, get education, and, well, have some pretty decent life for a Soviet citizen in Riga. Her older sister already graduated by the war's begin, therefore has gotten no passport, and thus had to stay at a dugout hut their perished father made of scrapped materials for several decades after the war.
@@toukairin354 No. I just became a citizen of Germany, for which I was obliged to give up Russian citizenship. And boy giving it up - more precisely, getting rid of the propiska - was a battle I fought for more than a year.
as a expat living in Russia I have a internal passport plus I have an ID document from south africa which is the same. thing. the ID number is made up of (DOB). (gender). (skin colour). (stauts eg citizen). and I dont see the problem with it. yes you have to register in russia but the hotel does that for you. I think it the best thing out.
I recalled checking in at a seaside hotel at the Romanian Black Sea resort of Mamaia in 1984 summer - the only hotel opened at the time due to poor upkeeping of the resort, and the Soviet tourist couple in front of me ( I saw their passports) were in their swimsuits during their check-ins! Illustration of how much they wanted to have a good time.
It was real serfdom. I remember my grandma used to say "we worked for ticks in the notebook". She had three kids but no passport and maternity leave in time of stalin's rule was one(!) day. The day of stalin's death is still a kind of holiday for many Ukrainians.
@@badmadcat actually just checked and back in the USSR paternity leave was a thing far earlier than the US and even back in Stalin’s time mothers were talking leave for far longer than a day You can read about it here www.econstor (dot) eu/bitstream/10419/148912/1/860760901.pdf
@@ciggy_ Look, I told you the story of my own grandma. They were like slaves, without any rights. All those papers were just declarations. In the real life, it was state slavery.
@@badmadcat Вони тебе не слухатимуть, друже. Цей хлопчiк живе десь у Швецiи, та важливо вважаэ, що в нiх не досить соцiалки та що Амерiка э ворогом. Я теж ïм намагаюся щось розповiсти про те, що мени казала бабця - вони мени кажуть, що я враль, бу у рад'яньских газетах та конституцiи щось инше написано. И Голодомору не було, тому що "документальных свидетельств нет". They aren't going to listen to you, bro. This guy lives in his Sweden or something, and believes they don't have enough social security and the USA is an enemy. I too am trying to explain them something, the things told me by my granny, for example - and I'm being told that I'm a liar, because soviet newspapers and "constitution" say something else. And that Holodomor wasn't a thing because "there are no direct documental evidences."
I should show this video to my mom. She was born and raised in Leningrad, went to university in Moscow, and worked in both Yalta and Sochy as a laboratory chemist.
In fact, Sergei does a couple of episodes of "The Ushanka Show" on both the Propiska System as well as what life was really like on the Collective Farm, seeing how he has intimate knowledge of the politics there because of his grandparents who were basically bound to one in Northern Ukraine.
Here in the states and Mexico, I'm half Mexican, people don't believe me that some countries require you to have a passport and visa even to travel 100 km to any direction from where you are located.
When you get to the 70s, I hope there's a Chess and the Soviet Union episode that looks at Bobby Fisher crushing them and what the Soviets did to poor Smyslov after he lost 0-6.
Smyslov never lost 6-0 to Fischer. Fischer beat Larsen, a Dane, 6-0 and Taimanov, a Soviet, 6-0. He then beat Petrosian and grabbed the crown from Spassky.
I find it ridiculous and ironic how such an anti-intellectual country like modern America claims Bobby Fischer as their own when he was treated like crap by his own government. Bobby Fischer is not a product of America, he's a product of himself, unlike Soviet chess masters, all the way up to Kramnik. And Karpov was better than Fischer, with all respect to the former American WCC.
@@SerpMolot well atleast bonkers Bobby Fischer can say whatever he wants about the govt without losing his freedom, unlike in the Soviet Union, or even modern Russia
I live in the US for a few years already, but I do still have a Propiska in my home town in Siberia. =) So technically, for the Russian government, I still live in Siberia, lol. In Russia propiska slowly but steadily loses its significance. Like on a recent trip to Russia I had to renew my driver’s license (expired after 10 years) and I was able to do it in Moscow without any problems, while 10 years ago it would not be possible, while 20 years ago you could get in trouble with the cops just by walking down a street in, say, Moscow without local propiska, if they stopped you.
Though people think of the soviet union as its own entity, the passport system was really the soviets still trying to deal with the same issue that the czars government was dealing with, balancing modernity with keeping the serfs in the farm where they don't want to be.
Wha-a-at? Improving quality of life in villages, as well as working conditions in kolkhozes, so the peasants would like to stay? No, no, no, do you think we're some leftists? Let's just prohibit them from having passports! (C) Soviet leadership, 1930s.
You need permission in the west as well. As soon as you book your ticket with your passport the government has to accept your request. It does this via computer so it is seamless but still same !!!!
@@dantheman3022 that's for leaving the country, not the vicinity of your workplace. In no Western country would permission be required to leave your city, or province
@@dantheman3022 Which horrible Western country do you live in that needs an ID check to move internally?? I can hop on an internal flight no problem without ID
@@elliotfineberg9503 I know but it there is so much on soviet football it could be a whole episode in itself like the preferred treatment of certain teams. Players in the 50s sent to the gulag. The soviet sports episode was great was just hoping they could do one on football alone a bit like they did on Hungary
Shhhhhhhh.... They are comrades who are more than happy to sla ... I mean work hard for the betterment of their super.... I mean peers who happen to be in leadership positions.
@@Smittenz1 yes. To be honest, the current state of capitalism is .. s*it but these western Tankies stating that communism is the solution are imbeciles. Now, back to peasants. My grandpa had a family of 5, two cows and no meat( back in the 50's). So, he kills a cow, obviously, and hides the meat... because, well, the cow belonged to the state. One of the neighbors sees that and barabim barabum, the police finds out, bam, 2 years on jail.
@@DerDop Is the current state of capitalism shit? Depends on your point of view but at minimum you have choice. Here they didn't have a choice unless you were lucky enough to be in the party itself.
@@robert48044 all depends on how you define "free". my favorite way to think of this is to consider: imagine being locked in a room with your idol; you "can't do otherwise" because you are locked in the room, you have no choice but to stay in that room; intuitively, one can still "choose" to stay in the room; how can that be a free choice when you had no choice? i think that suggests that as long as you feel free, maybe like Sartre and Beauvoir, as long as you are able to project yourself into future possibilities, you are free.
@@beepboop204 I can make the best of a situation but I'm not blind to the situation. It's often said in China people know the situation isnt the best but go along with the party line where in the States people think their living free while hating on the gov. In both situations the people live a lie of sorts.
something similar exists in China called hukou, it's still in effect in the bigger cities like Beijing as you'll need a Beijing hukou to buy the house and access it's social amenities (education, healthcare) also if you need to renew ID, you'll need to go back to hometown now that China's population is in decline, it doesn't really make sense to have it anymore
China still restricts movement due to them maintaining a one party, communist system. However, they mostly use it to deny government services like healthcare to its own population. For example, many workers illegally leave the countryside for work in the cities. However, they are restricted to only getting Healthcare in the countryside region that government says they are allowed to live in, so if they get sick (from covid for example), then they are unable to get treatment without paying out of pocket.
Definitely not. There was wave of German nationalism going which took elements from other cultures like swastika and roman salute. They then started calling other inferior and germanic races superior. All inferior were killed who tried to destroy Germany. Maybe read things instead of looking typical American
The Germans were inspired by US programs used to irradicate the Indians and mentally ill, etc. Eugenics was born here. Not in Germany. The US financed them too. Look up Prescott Bush...
@@armyofninjas9055 correct. Of course that's being written out of history because the DNC doesn't like it one bit, seeing as they were in control of it all on the US side.
@A Velsen no they didn’t, but Eugenics as a science comes from England and their treatment of Africans, and Americas experiments on black Americans. The Nazis took plans from American concentration camps in Guam and the Philippines to construct their own. Also America did have many plans to utilize Eugenics, especially against disabled people and Native Americans. Between 1900 and 1965 over 60,000 people were sterilized in the US as part of its eugenics programs, mostly mentally disabled women, and gay men.
In a way yes, and this was recognized by Soviet citizens at the time, too. The word zona (zone) became a sort of short-hand for a labor camp with some Russians referring to inside the Gulag system as being in the “little zone” and living in the USSR in general was the “big zone.”
Of all the Soviet atrocities I've heard about over the years, for some reason this is the one that pains me to hear. Famine happens. You get a little skinnier, but you live. Harsh crackdowns can be avoided if you know how to read a room and get out before things get ugly. I've had to do that before, albeit I wasn't facing the government. Staying out of Gulag is a matter of keeping your mouth shut. I've had to do that too. But trapping people on a farm for their whole lives? It's worse than killing them. I'd rather face danger than despair. As long as you're free to move, you have the hope of a better tomorrow. When they take away your wheels, then despair really sets in. People can put up with a lot as long as they have hope, but in the country there's no hope. Miles of open land and nowhere to go.
" Pasport grazhdanina" means "citizen's passport" ( "grazhdanin" in russian stands for "citizen" ). There were many forms of them. Every soviet citizen after he turned 16 years of age, received green, later - red colored " internal passport." After you had received permission to travel outside the Soviet Unoin, you had to make " foreign passport."
What a dehumanising system! I should imagine that there was a lot of toadying to get one of these ‘passports’ in order to live in more desirable locations. This system went on for decades and must have held back the economy.
@@rafal5863 - Go Collingwood!! ... Yeah, nah there having one shitty season, eh? Oh well, there's always next Year, when they all come back from Co-Vid Gulag up in Brisbane!!
@@karlmuller3690 The Saints are not doing much better. Maybe Brisbane is a good move. The new woke socialism seems to have hit your stomping ground much harder than my part of Melbourne. I visited couple of months back and the climbing gym has trans bathrooms and full of face diper Karens.
Modern internal passports are fine as a concept, especially given how they are used as voter ID (that everyone has) in the post-Soviet countries. However, authoritarian regimes have been using passports in a similar way as the Soviets did: for example, in Russia you need a passport to travel between regions, your SIM card is tied to your passport and a few years back they (re)instituted a requirement to change your propiska if you move to live in a different region.
Hi I lived through the Cold War (born 1957) and we heard stuff about the USSR all the time, the first time I heard of it was aged 12, when USSR suppressed the Prague uprising. Very scary to my eyes watching on TV. I am glad young people can watch these videos and learn just what soviet communism was like and how it still affects Russia and the ex soviet state's people today. Delia Morris.
In other East Block countries there was ID looking like pasport with all your data and even your children's names itd. If you moved to another place you had to register that fact at the Interior Ministry or police (militia). For a passport you had to apply there.
“Forbidden cities” were also large cities like Moscow or Leningrad, and the only way to get the ‘propiska’ was to either marry a person from those cities OR to have a profession that was of vital importance for institutions in the ‘closed’ cities. My wife, who recently received her last internal passport has my name in it too. Yepp, spouses and children are also registered. However if we see the citizens’ passport as some kind of slavery, also regard it as an ID. Whatever documents you show will be of little value in Russia, but the passport is the THING. It can also be regarded as a population register. Here in Sweden a national register (handled by the tax authority) all people living in Sweden, but to me it appears that it is up to each and every Russian to keep track of his/her registers. Remember that communication between various departments on low to high level in State administration is very poor, so getting the passport will require visits to several bureaus to get all the documents that will eventually result in the passport (been there, done that ... my wife ran like a rabbit on steroids from office to office when her passport had expired some 15 years ago). Whataboutism: when travelling by train in Sweden, you buy the ticket in your name and may have to show, not only the ticket but your ID to the ticket collector.
“Propiska” (residence) is still the thing in Russia. Whats more to travel abroad you still need to apply for the international passport which you might not get if you are not in a good relations with your government. So basically you are not only being controlled internally where to live/travel but also if you allowed to leave the country.
This is a pretty misleading/dishonest criticism. These days “propiska” refers to just an internal ID, and an address where you’re registered but isn’t generally used to limit where you can travel (although perhaps how, but this is no different than most any other part of the world... try boarding a domestic flight in the US or anywhere else without ID). It’s not really so different from any other state issued ID other than you’re required to have one. It doesn’t mean if you live in Irkutsk that you can’t just jump on a plane to Sochi without prior permission from the state or jump in a car go on a road trip from Moscow to St. Petersburg. And of course you need a passport for international travel, almost every country in the world requires it aside from countries that form customs unions where they don’t do border control between certain other countries... but do you suppose an American can travel to Germany without an international passport? And do you suppose all other countries issue passports without looking at your background?
It's ironic that the thumbnail has jeans with a Soviet passport. Jeans were forbidden till maybe 85, and later just looked down upon and forbidden in schools and so forth.
The Propiska system for Soviet peasants was actually worse than the old serfdom of the pre-Alexander II Russian empire because there was an informal system set up which pretty much meant that your landlord had to give you at least the basic things that you needed to live as well as work with. The so-called 'workers & peasants' state was under no such illusion, especially when it came to peasants on the kolkhoz.
well, technically they were paid. They were paid in the form of the housing, clothing, and food provided them by the kolchoz. Which is of course the same way all slaves are paid...
@@jwenting technically bollocks. When I worked in a hotel and was told I get free food my answer was:pay me properly and I buy my own food, not you scraps. Those peasants were back to serfdom, virtual slavery as you say. It is good to point this out as I see lot of bull how wonderful socialism is
@@aranos6269 that's why I said TECHNICALLY they were getting paid. No doubt had it ever been openly questioned why they got no money that'd have been the answer. And remember that such communal meals and other facilities were the very epitomy of communism. The community provides the same to all, for all. It failed in the USSR as it fails everywhere, but they did force it into being applied at a grander scale than anywhere in the world except maybe communist China.
Not true. The guy is lying. A kolkhoz was deciding how the peasants would be paid (by voting). Very often a payment in goods was much better, because they could sell products at kolkhoz markets for a much higher prices.
Yes, it was new serfdom. The Soviet tyrants wanted to keep people contained, confined, unable to move around too much so they couldn't pick up those pesky ideas about thinking for themselves and so the state could force them to work where it wanted them to.
Russia still has this system, I got a regular passport that I use to travel internationally. But then I also got an inner passport, which right now is used just like an ID. To be honest I don't hate it because it is only given to russian citizens who were born in russia. So I keep telling all of my friends that were born in Canada that I am more russian than them.
Really interesting topic. Honestly hope you guys cover the internal migration of the USA, think it'd be a neat topic to cover. Especially seeing how segration was used to control where minorities of the US could go.
@@Aksak012 This may come as a shock to you, but channel is called The Cold War, not History of The Soviet Union, so covering what happened in the USA during the cold war is in the purview of this channel.
The problem wasn't that you needed permission to enter some restricted private area - no country on earth just lets you enter someone else private property, no questions asked. The problem was that you wheren't allowed to leave. Something no western country has at all.
Ha... Good timing. Just as the world thinks about vaccine Passports and internal border controls between states and regions within countries due to coronavirus, like here in Australia. Good timing.
Funny thing is my grandmother told us this would happen. She worked for the Canadian government after the war she told us that communists were entering and it was known that they planned to infiltrate the educational institutions and brainwash the masses.
Given how many people have died, vaccine passports make total sense. There's literally no good argument against them. If you refuse the vaccine, you're putting other people at risk.
@@fireinthesun2408 Why is it not good? This is a matter of public health and safety. The only people unable to get such a passport would be the unvaccinated. Being unvaccinated is a choice, so you have to accept the consequences.
Everyone who is not born in America need a ID, passport, visa and a corporate permission to stay. Only holidays and people who own enough money and don't need to work can stay
None of that applies to American citizens though - if you live in Texas and want to move to New York, no one will ask you for a passport. In the Soviet Union, if you where a poor farmer, you pegally couldn't leave your village of birth. Nothing like that exists anywhere in the west.
Really? They're the same thing? In one system, you'll be forced to live your entire life in a poor rural village with no hope of getting a better life, because you aren't allowed a passport to let you leave. Purely because thats where you are more useful to the state. In the other, a horrific virus is killing millions and you could be responsible for it killing more if you spread it further. The passport is available to all and doesn't even cost any money. Nithing at all stops you from getting the passport and going wherever you want. How the hell are these the same?
@@fucktochik Ну что это? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_passport_of_Russia И должен сказать что слово "yet" не 100% как "ещё" - "not yet" только возможно сказать о будеше
They've already started doing it, in the form of offender registeries. All they need to do now is pass some law to make it even easier than it already is to wind up on one.
@@patrickward8983 while yes this guy has just self reported. I could see this system being expanded for other felonies but tbh id be more worried about renting out prisoners for labor.
With the exception of kiddie touchers..... No, not the President........ It would be difficult to impose this, since out here in the mountains we're sitting on racks of guns and piles of ammunition and never were serfs. We would chafe under the yoke and prove to be, like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
@@anthonydolan3740 Idiots, I see. Since you avoided the question, I'll just assume that's a yes ... But let me ask you another question. Would you buy products from a company who was habitually fined for fraud, and is immune from liability? Because in the past 20 years Pfizer, AstraZenca, and Johnson & Johnson have paid billions in fines for fraud. DoJ cases. The largest was in 2009 when Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion for fraud. Do you think they're going to sweat it if you croak, when they're immune from liability with these Covid vaccines? They got a licence to print money right now, with no chance of them being sued
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"historical documentary series" - yeah-yeah
Sounds like a more strict version of the Chinese Hukou system
Here's a suggestion to The Cold War, to David and Nolan Karimov: since you did a presentation on the Soviet passport (a good one, I might add), why not do a presentation on the 5th row, or "pyataya grafa," of the Soviet passport, which indicated the citizens' nationality, or ethnicity, such as "Russian," "Ukrainian," "Jew," etc. This row in the passport caused many people, especially Jews, Germans, and other ethnicities, to face prejudice and discrimination. My parents, as Jews, experienced a lot of discrimination, and I myself experienced a lot of prejudice, growing up in the former USSR. It would be nice if you made a video on that.
There's a scene, in "Red October", where the the boat's exec asks Ramius if he can travel between states in the US without passport...
Wow
I would have liked to have seen Montanna.
yeah i remember that scene, he was a good man and deserved to reach US soil alive
Shee Ka Go, bang! bang!
Based idea, I'd deny every California and New York passport from visiting my fly over state
My aunt used to travel in the Soviet Union in the early 80s and told me how backwards it looked like compared to Bulgaria. Back then Soviet citizens could travel easier to Bulgaria than other socialist countries and a lot of them came here for a vacation or to buy something which they couldnt find in the USSR. Aunt used to tell me how they were amazed when they saw that we had discotheques and that we sold Western music which was almost impossible to find in the Soviet Union....
The Cold War Conversation podcast have a story from a person in the communist Czech era. Similar to yours, they are surprised that the hotel workers where they stayed at in Moscow for vacation asked to buy their stockings, because Moscow didn't have those materials...
@@toukairin354 Ah that's nothing. Bulgarians used to stock their luggage with tracksuits and sneakers who were in big demand back then in the USSR in exchange for Soviet leather jackets and materials which were very popular and well made.
The Soviets were also obsessed with Bulgarian ketchup, I’ve heard.
A young man that I was friends with told me that in the Soviet Union there was a bribery system not very different than the one in New York.
In New York you would attach a folded 50 or 100 dollar bill to the back of your driver's license with a paperclip. When you got stopped you gave the officer the license and didn't say anything. Most of the time, you got a warning and when they gave you back your license, the Paperclip wasn't holding money anymore. If the Officer asked what the money was doing attached to the license, you just said that's where you saved some back-up cash.
Soviet citizens, of financial means, would clip a larger paper bill inside their passport for basically the same thing (and excuse, if questioned). Whatever they were doing wrong was ignored and when their 'papers' were handed back to them, it didn't contain money anymore.
For as different as the people and systems of government were, people are very similar...
Yall Take Care, John
fun fact, komsomol code phrase to talk about stuff like that was translated literally as "solving questions" lol
Hey, comrade, can we solve this question? (say with thick russian accent)
I’m using my “internal” Russian passport cover as a banknote holder and a few months ago a patrol officer reprimanded me on trying something inappropriate on him when he was going through my papers during a random street shakedown and saw I had cash stashed there. It still exists.
How was that so common? Did people break the law so often or did the police find reasons to fine people so often?
And remember, the Cold War is like Ramen noodles, it doesn't take long before it becomes heated.
Lol 😆Intresting thought.
On the cover of the video is a passport for traveling abroad, not a normal Soviet passport.
A similar system exists in China nowadays. It also combines the thousand-year population management tradition. But in recent decades, due to the laborforce need from the big cities, especially due to a specified social event, which discussed in public, nowadays it's not that strict anymore. But it still exists and can be tight up anytime when the government feels necessary.
Also, due to the difference between the Social warfare systems of different cities, it is still quite challenging for any citizen who tries to permanently move to another place to live in China.
There is a joke among overseas Chinese migrants: The residential right in Shanghai is much more valuable than the citizenship of Australia. But still, I have chosen the latter. XD
Thanks for your comment, but I think you mean "social welfare" not "social warfare"
Well what about the lock down now?
Ah yes the Hukou system. Glad to have gotten out of China.
Ukraine still had internal passports when I was last there in 2014. A friend of mine came to the U.S. for 3 months and she had her internal passport with her. The internal passport was done away with in favor of an I.D. card similar looking to a U.S. or Canadian drivers license some time between 2016 & 2018.
Yes. As a Ukrainian, as far as I know, all the countries from USSR proper still use separate foreign/internal passports. In my country, the internal passport now is a ID card, but unfortunately, the propiska still exists (though now it's more a really annoying nuisance than a repression tool)
@@theonewhosmellsverynice over here in the U.S. we mostly use our Drivers License like an internal passport the only time anyone will ask to look at it is if going into a financial institution like a bank or if buying something over X amount of dollars with a check. Some employers will ask to see it when applying for a job so that they can do a check your credit history which think is none of their dammed business anyways. Some people can also apply for a none drivers license but I don't know what they look like.
@@billhanna2148 try getting a driver's license in NY changed over if your from another state they provide a list of things they want to see but heaven forbid there is no social security card be ready to be treated like a stateless jew in Nazi Germany.
@@billhanna2148 i lost my wallet for a few day after a drunken night out a few weeks ago. I never realized how often you need an ID until I lost mine
@@TonyFontaine1988 Males?
Here's a suggestion to The Cold War, to David and Nolan Karimov: since you did a presentation on the Soviet passport (a good one, I might add), why not do a presentation on the 5th row, or "pyataya grafa," of the Soviet passport, which indicated the citizens' nationality, or ethnicity, such as "Russian," "Ukrainian," "Jew," etc. This row in the passport caused many people, especially Jews, Germans, and other ethnicities, to face prejudice and discrimination. My parents, as Jews, experienced a lot of discrimination, and I myself experienced a lot of prejudice, growing up in the former USSR. It would be nice if you made a video on that.
"In general, with things unpleasant, the rule is: The sooner you hit bottom, the faster you surface"
- Joseph Brodsky
well hot damn, a Joseph Brodsky quote!
"When I thought I've reached the bottom, there was knocking from below."
- Stanisław Jerzy Lec
@@LukeVilent this made me cry.
Very informative.
I have two Soviet Era Passports of mention:
1. Red leather Diplomatic passport printed in both RUSSIAN and FRENCH. Issued in 1946 to Chief of the Section Ministry of Industry and Construction RSS Ukraine. What is especially interesting is it was PRINTED in 1944. Printed in French which likely means June to Dec. D-day to The Battle of the Bulge. 1944 - The war is still going on and the Soviets are planning ahead.
2. Green vinyl "Certificate" "Passport" type Identification booklet with embossed State Seal. Issued to Charles Bvuma for Courses taken (January-June 1979) at Odessa Combined Military School Majoring in Commander of Infantry Battalion "The bearer of the Present Certificate enjoys the privilege for independent activity associated with the Major Subject. Signed by a Major-General reportedly of the GRU. Thus a Soviet trained interventionist in Africa. I purchased it from a "Weapons Brokerage" person who brought it back from Africa.
Just to add to your good video:
In the USSR every male was, and still is, required to get a stamp in the passport with the address of permanent residence and the military conscription status. If you wanted to permanently move to another place, you had to find somebody who wants to move to your place (“switch places”). You must also get a military registration before you get a new address in your internal passport. Same procedure was for a temporary move for over 90 days of stay (usually to go to college, etc.)
After the fall of the USSR there were some changes:
KGB became FSB - only name,
“Propiska “ became “Registration” of your address, etc.
You can freely move anywhere within a country and techinicaly do not need to register on an new place, but you won't get many government services in location until registered there. But it's going away rather quickly as global electronic document exchange between regions and government entities was introduced
In America you have American Express traveler's checks: "Don't leave home without it!" In Soviet Union we had Russian Express traveler's checks: "Don't leave home!"...
Internal passport is still a thing now, and penalties - or, rather, police racket - for failing to register remain a thing. It's only a few months that I finally gotten rid of mine after more than a decade in Germany.
My great grandma forged a passport to move from the Chernozem - a breadbasket of Russia - all the way to Balkhash sea in Kazakhstan in order to save the family from... hunger. Moscow was another option, but she feared her forgery will be found out. But no one really looked - a worker living in fear is better than a worker living in slightly less fear when you make shock-industrialization. By the way, her cousin went to Moscow, became a metro builder, and no one checked her pass for the same reason.
My grandma-in-law had a legal one, but with a twist. Her and neighboring villages in Pskov oblast were burnt down by retreating Germans, and only by luck not with the inhabitants that were already sealed in a barn. Now, with one of those villages burned school, and she, in her mid teens and skipping several years due to the occupation, had to attend one in a town. Because of that, she was given a passport, and that allowed her to then get to Leningrad, get education, and, well, have some pretty decent life for a Soviet citizen in Riga. Her older sister already graduated by the war's begin, therefore has gotten no passport, and thus had to stay at a dugout hut their perished father made of scrapped materials for several decades after the war.
So if a Russian becomes an expat, in practice that is the loophope to escape mandatory internal passport?
@@toukairin354 No. I just became a citizen of Germany, for which I was obliged to give up Russian citizenship. And boy giving it up - more precisely, getting rid of the propiska - was a battle I fought for more than a year.
This is very a very interesting insight! Thank you for sharing.
as a expat living in Russia I have a internal passport plus I have an ID document from south africa which is the same. thing. the ID number is made up of (DOB). (gender). (skin colour). (stauts eg citizen). and I dont see the problem with it. yes you have to register in russia but the hotel does that for you. I think it the best thing out.
@@tzarputin2285 "as a expat living in Russia"
You keep using that word. ... I do not think it means what you think it means.
I recalled checking in at a seaside hotel at the Romanian Black Sea resort of Mamaia in 1984 summer - the only hotel opened at the time due to poor upkeeping of the resort, and the Soviet tourist couple in front of me ( I saw their passports) were in their swimsuits during their check-ins! Illustration of how much they wanted to have a good time.
Just found this channel and absolutely loving it so far! I've been binging it all damn day today. 👍
I wonder if this was the inspiration for the naming of "City 17" in Half Life 2.
Most likely!
City 17 seems very much based in Russia or other former USSR land, so probobly
Yes that's correct. The soviet union did numbers its cities internally and privately.
@Erich Kirk secret cities in ussr were usually named as "name of nearby normal city - some number"
City 17 is set in Serbia if I'm correct. Confirmed by Gaben himself
It was real serfdom. I remember my grandma used to say "we worked for ticks in the notebook". She had three kids but no passport and maternity leave in time of stalin's rule was one(!) day. The day of stalin's death is still a kind of holiday for many Ukrainians.
It’s so weird that paid maternity leave still doesn’t exist in the US, I guess that wasn’t much better in the 20s
@@ciggy_ Do not compare modern US and stalin's regime. One day leave meant that you MUST work the next day in the field under the summer sun.
@@badmadcat actually just checked and back in the USSR paternity leave was a thing far earlier than the US and even back in Stalin’s time mothers were talking leave for far longer than a day
You can read about it here
www.econstor (dot) eu/bitstream/10419/148912/1/860760901.pdf
@@ciggy_ Look, I told you the story of my own grandma. They were like slaves, without any rights.
All those papers were just declarations. In the real life, it was state slavery.
@@badmadcat Вони тебе не слухатимуть, друже. Цей хлопчiк живе десь у Швецiи, та важливо вважаэ, що в нiх не досить соцiалки та що Амерiка э ворогом. Я теж ïм намагаюся щось розповiсти про те, що мени казала бабця - вони мени кажуть, що я враль, бу у рад'яньских газетах та конституцiи щось инше написано. И Голодомору не було, тому що "документальных свидетельств нет".
They aren't going to listen to you, bro. This guy lives in his Sweden or something, and believes they don't have enough social security and the USA is an enemy. I too am trying to explain them something, the things told me by my granny, for example - and I'm being told that I'm a liar, because soviet newspapers and "constitution" say something else. And that Holodomor wasn't a thing because "there are no direct documental evidences."
Now I see where the chinese got the idea.
And North Korea
The idea of complete freedom of movement is a very recent concept.
Of course bud. They haven't had an original thought since rope.
@@raymondfrye5017 how is the US constitution old? You are acting like the last 250 years has been humanity’s default state
As recent as the early 2000’s, you had to show paperwork to enter Shenzhen from other parts of China when entering by road.
That clip of the secret city entrance is trippy
I should show this video to my mom. She was born and raised in Leningrad, went to university in Moscow, and worked in both Yalta and Sochy as a laboratory chemist.
The good ole, "Show me your papers," trope used in the movies about living in or escaping police states.
"PAPIERE, BITTE!!!"
In fact, Sergei does a couple of episodes of "The Ushanka Show" on both the Propiska System as well as what life was really like on the Collective Farm, seeing how he has intimate knowledge of the politics there because of his grandparents who were basically bound to one in Northern Ukraine.
Nicely informative video. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
I love the way he closes these videos, exhorting viewers to like and subscribe with Soviet govspeak similar to lingo used in the video. Good stuff!
Here in the states and Mexico, I'm half Mexican, people don't believe me that some countries require you to have a passport and visa even to travel 100 km to any direction from where you are located.
Sgt Maj Ybarra
@@worldoftancraft gringos dont require a visa to travel to Mexico
When you get to the 70s, I hope there's a Chess and the Soviet Union episode that looks at Bobby Fisher crushing them and what the Soviets did to poor Smyslov after he lost 0-6.
Smyslov never lost 6-0 to Fischer. Fischer beat Larsen, a Dane, 6-0 and Taimanov, a Soviet, 6-0. He then beat Petrosian and grabbed the crown from Spassky.
I find it ridiculous and ironic how such an anti-intellectual country like modern America claims Bobby Fischer as their own when he was treated like crap by his own government.
Bobby Fischer is not a product of America, he's a product of himself, unlike Soviet chess masters, all the way up to Kramnik.
And Karpov was better than Fischer, with all respect to the former American WCC.
@@SerpMolot well atleast bonkers Bobby Fischer can say whatever he wants about the govt without losing his freedom, unlike in the Soviet Union, or even modern Russia
@@Guapo10292 well obviously not, if there was a warrant out for his arrest.
I live in the US for a few years already, but I do still have a Propiska in my home town in Siberia. =) So technically, for the Russian government, I still live in Siberia, lol. In Russia propiska slowly but steadily loses its significance. Like on a recent trip to Russia I had to renew my driver’s license (expired after 10 years) and I was able to do it in Moscow without any problems, while 10 years ago it would not be possible, while 20 years ago you could get in trouble with the cops just by walking down a street in, say, Moscow without local propiska, if they stopped you.
Though people think of the soviet union as its own entity, the passport system was really the soviets still trying to deal with the same issue that the czars government was dealing with, balancing modernity with keeping the serfs in the farm where they don't want to be.
Wha-a-at? Improving quality of life in villages, as well as working conditions in kolkhozes, so the peasants would like to stay? No, no, no, do you think we're some leftists? Let's just prohibit them from having passports!
(C) Soviet leadership, 1930s.
Great channel. Thank you!
16:54 In the USSR everybody was equal. It’s just that some were more equal than others.
The level of whataboutism and faulty comparaisons in this comment section is staggering.
You have to get permission to leave?
If so then you are a Serf.
You need permission in the west as well. As soon as you book your ticket with your passport the government has to accept your request. It does this via computer so it is seamless but still same !!!!
@@dantheman3022 that's for leaving the country, not the vicinity of your workplace. In no Western country would permission be required to leave your city, or province
@@dantheman3022 Which horrible Western country do you live in that needs an ID check to move internally?? I can hop on an internal flight no problem without ID
Are you guys going to do a episode about soviet football, its a very interesting and unique story
They DID. David did a great interview about Soviet sport - mostly football and ice hockey.
@@elliotfineberg9503 I know but it there is so much on soviet football it could be a whole episode in itself like the preferred treatment of certain teams. Players in the 50s sent to the gulag. The soviet sports episode was great was just hoping they could do one on football alone a bit like they did on Hungary
Wow o interesting!
This part is overlooked by western Tankies: the peasants were literally slaves.
Shhhhhhhh.... They are comrades who are more than happy to sla ... I mean work hard for the betterment of their super.... I mean peers who happen to be in leadership positions.
@@Smittenz1 yes. To be honest, the current state of capitalism is .. s*it but these western Tankies stating that communism is the solution are imbeciles.
Now, back to peasants. My grandpa had a family of 5, two cows and no meat( back in the 50's).
So, he kills a cow, obviously, and hides the meat... because, well, the cow belonged to the state.
One of the neighbors sees that and barabim barabum, the police finds out, bam, 2 years on jail.
why don’t we just not make them slaves next time?
@@DerDop Is the current state of capitalism shit? Depends on your point of view but at minimum you have choice. Here they didn't have a choice unless you were lucky enough to be in the party itself.
@@Smittenz1 again, I'm not saying that communism is or was the solution.
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” -George Orwell
Im like getting the impression the Soviet Union was kinda an authoritarian dictatorship or something
Is it better to know you're not free or to think you're free when you're not?
Oh no, it's a utopia. - That's all just western propaganda and there's no one alive to admit there were any problems.
@@robert48044 all depends on how you define "free". my favorite way to think of this is to consider:
imagine being locked in a room with your idol; you "can't do otherwise" because you are locked in the room, you have no choice but to stay in that room; intuitively, one can still "choose" to stay in the room; how can that be a free choice when you had no choice?
i think that suggests that as long as you feel free, maybe like Sartre and Beauvoir, as long as you are able to project yourself into future possibilities, you are free.
nah, it's the great socialist eutopia. Was signed, every backroom socialist in the west ever.
@@beepboop204 I can make the best of a situation but I'm not blind to the situation. It's often said in China people know the situation isnt the best but go along with the party line where in the States people think their living free while hating on the gov. In both situations the people live a lie of sorts.
something similar exists in China called hukou, it's still in effect in the bigger cities like Beijing as you'll need a Beijing hukou to buy the house and access it's social amenities (education, healthcare)
also if you need to renew ID, you'll need to go back to hometown
now that China's population is in decline, it doesn't really make sense to have it anymore
China still restricts movement due to them maintaining a one party, communist system. However, they mostly use it to deny government services like healthcare to its own population.
For example, many workers illegally leave the countryside for work in the cities. However, they are restricted to only getting Healthcare in the countryside region that government says they are allowed to live in, so if they get sick (from covid for example), then they are unable to get treatment without paying out of pocket.
0:04 I have my own version of human rights
"Undesirable citizens" "1920s" ah, so that's where Germany got the idea
nah, they got it from the US Democratic party who talked about blacks, mentally handicapped, and Jews that way long before the Germans ever did.
Definitely not. There was wave of German nationalism going which took elements from other cultures like swastika and roman salute. They then started calling other inferior and germanic races superior. All inferior were killed who tried to destroy Germany. Maybe read things instead of looking typical American
The Germans were inspired by US programs used to irradicate the Indians and mentally ill, etc. Eugenics was born here. Not in Germany. The US financed them too. Look up Prescott Bush...
@@armyofninjas9055 correct. Of course that's being written out of history because the DNC doesn't like it one bit, seeing as they were in control of it all on the US side.
@A Velsen no they didn’t, but Eugenics as a science comes from England and their treatment of Africans, and Americas experiments on black Americans. The Nazis took plans from American concentration camps in Guam and the Philippines to construct their own.
Also America did have many plans to utilize Eugenics, especially against disabled people and Native Americans. Between 1900 and 1965 over 60,000 people were sterilized in the US as part of its eugenics programs, mostly mentally disabled women, and gay men.
I'm loving these videos so much. I love hearing about the social history and everyday lives of the Soviets, it really gives a new perspective.
thanks for the great work! I pressed the like button to avoid deportation to Magadan.
The USSR was basically one big prison
In a way yes, and this was recognized by Soviet citizens at the time, too. The word zona (zone) became a sort of short-hand for a labor camp with some Russians referring to inside the Gulag system as being in the “little zone” and living in the USSR in general was the “big zone.”
Of all the Soviet atrocities I've heard about over the years, for some reason this is the one that pains me to hear. Famine happens. You get a little skinnier, but you live. Harsh crackdowns can be avoided if you know how to read a room and get out before things get ugly. I've had to do that before, albeit I wasn't facing the government. Staying out of Gulag is a matter of keeping your mouth shut. I've had to do that too. But trapping people on a farm for their whole lives? It's worse than killing them. I'd rather face danger than despair. As long as you're free to move, you have the hope of a better tomorrow. When they take away your wheels, then despair really sets in. People can put up with a lot as long as they have hope, but in the country there's no hope. Miles of open land and nowhere to go.
" Pasport grazhdanina" means "citizen's passport" ( "grazhdanin" in russian stands for "citizen" ). There were many forms of them. Every soviet citizen after he turned 16 years of age, received green, later - red colored " internal passport." After you had received permission to travel outside the Soviet Unoin, you had to make " foreign passport."
Coming soon to a country near you.
ln Haiti, we had also the system of internal passports to travel inside the country during the 1860-1920 period.
What a dehumanising system! I should imagine that there was a lot of toadying to get one of these ‘passports’ in order to live in more desirable locations. This system went on for decades and must have held back the economy.
Papers Please, real life.
Escaped form behind the curtain in 80s now live the Melbournes Australia kolhoz.
Glory to Arstozka!
@@rafal5863 - Go Collingwood!! ... Yeah, nah there having one shitty season,
eh? Oh well, there's always next Year, when they all come back from
Co-Vid Gulag up in Brisbane!!
@@karlmuller3690 The Saints are not doing much better. Maybe Brisbane is a good move. The new woke socialism seems to have hit your stomping ground much harder than my part of Melbourne. I visited couple of months back and the climbing gym has trans bathrooms and full of face diper Karens.
Modern internal passports are fine as a concept, especially given how they are used as voter ID (that everyone has) in the post-Soviet countries.
However, authoritarian regimes have been using passports in a similar way as the Soviets did: for example, in Russia you need a passport to travel between regions, your SIM card is tied to your passport and a few years back they (re)instituted a requirement to change your propiska if you move to live in a different region.
The sim card thing is the same in Europe.
But yes, It is scary how far things can go.
Does anyone know what videos to start with from the beginning I’d like to watch these in order?
Ah yes. Khrushchev reform once again xD
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Hi I lived through the Cold War (born 1957) and we heard stuff about the USSR all the time, the first time I heard of it was aged 12, when USSR suppressed the Prague uprising. Very scary to my eyes watching on TV. I am glad young people can watch these videos and learn just what soviet communism was like and how it still affects Russia and the ex soviet state's people today. Delia Morris.
As you say you lived there yet you still dont know the name of the political system.
In other East Block countries there was ID looking like pasport with all your data and even your children's names itd. If you moved to another place you had to register that fact at the Interior Ministry or police (militia). For a passport you had to apply there.
“Forbidden cities” were also large cities like Moscow or Leningrad, and the only way to get the ‘propiska’ was to either marry a person from those cities OR to have a profession that was of vital importance for institutions in the ‘closed’ cities.
My wife, who recently received her last internal passport has my name in it too. Yepp, spouses and children are also registered. However if we see the citizens’ passport as some kind of slavery, also regard it as an ID. Whatever documents you show will be of little value in Russia, but the passport is the THING. It can also be regarded as a population register. Here in Sweden a national register (handled by the tax authority) all people living in Sweden, but to me it appears that it is up to each and every Russian to keep track of his/her registers. Remember that communication between various departments on low to high level in State administration is very poor, so getting the passport will require visits to several bureaus to get all the documents that will eventually result in the passport (been there, done that ... my wife ran like a rabbit on steroids from office to office when her passport had expired some 15 years ago).
Whataboutism: when travelling by train in Sweden, you buy the ticket in your name and may have to show, not only the ticket but your ID to the ticket collector.
Thanks
“Propiska” (residence) is still the thing in Russia. Whats more to travel abroad you still need to apply for the international passport which you might not get if you are not in a good relations with your government. So basically you are not only being controlled internally where to live/travel but also if you allowed to leave the country.
This is a pretty misleading/dishonest criticism. These days “propiska” refers to just an internal ID, and an address where you’re registered but isn’t generally used to limit where you can travel (although perhaps how, but this is no different than most any other part of the world... try boarding a domestic flight in the US or anywhere else without ID). It’s not really so different from any other state issued ID other than you’re required to have one. It doesn’t mean if you live in Irkutsk that you can’t just jump on a plane to Sochi without prior permission from the state or jump in a car go on a road trip from Moscow to St. Petersburg. And of course you need a passport for international travel, almost every country in the world requires it aside from countries that form customs unions where they don’t do border control between certain other countries... but do you suppose an American can travel to Germany without an international passport? And do you suppose all other countries issue passports without looking at your background?
It's ironic that the thumbnail has jeans with a Soviet passport. Jeans were forbidden till maybe 85, and later just looked down upon and forbidden in schools and so forth.
The Propiska system for Soviet peasants was actually worse than the old serfdom of the pre-Alexander II Russian empire because there was an informal system set up which pretty much meant that your landlord had to give you at least the basic things that you needed to live as well as work with. The so-called 'workers & peasants' state was under no such illusion, especially when it came to peasants on the kolkhoz.
so in his attempt to modernize Russia, Peter the Great implemented a system that was already out of date by his day.
police: show me your papers
me: this is my papers have them
police: no, no, not the toilet paper!
Спасибо
Can you please cite your sources? Thank you.
Where can I find the sources for your videos?
See ushanka show. Kolchoznics ie peasants did not get internal passports till 1978. Also they were not payed wages for their work
well, technically they were paid. They were paid in the form of the housing, clothing, and food provided them by the kolchoz.
Which is of course the same way all slaves are paid...
@@jwenting technically bollocks. When I worked in a hotel and was told I get free food my answer was:pay me properly and I buy my own food, not you scraps. Those peasants were back to serfdom, virtual slavery as you say. It is good to point this out as I see lot of bull how wonderful socialism is
@@aranos6269 that's why I said TECHNICALLY they were getting paid.
No doubt had it ever been openly questioned why they got no money that'd have been the answer.
And remember that such communal meals and other facilities were the very epitomy of communism. The community provides the same to all, for all.
It failed in the USSR as it fails everywhere, but they did force it into being applied at a grander scale than anywhere in the world except maybe communist China.
@@jwenting if you questioned it you went to gulag or were shot
Not true. The guy is lying.
A kolkhoz was deciding how the peasants would be paid (by voting). Very often a payment in goods was much better, because they could sell products at kolkhoz markets for a much higher prices.
Yes, it was new serfdom. The Soviet tyrants wanted to keep people contained, confined, unable to move around too much so they couldn't pick up those pesky ideas about thinking for themselves and so the state could force them to work where it wanted them to.
Um, where is your bibliography?
Russia still has this system, I got a regular passport that I use to travel internationally. But then I also got an inner passport, which right now is used just like an ID. To be honest I don't hate it because it is only given to russian citizens who were born in russia. So I keep telling all of my friends that were born in Canada that I am more russian than them.
Spoiler: serfdom.
@Dan Pos I can assure you my Finnish passport is not serfdom. I can go to Japan without a visa.
oh I have one of these
Дякую
So the Soviets had their Area 51
Don't worry america totally won't do this with vaccine cards
Really interesting topic.
Honestly hope you guys cover the internal migration of the USA, think it'd be a neat topic to cover.
Especially seeing how segration was used to control where minorities of the US could go.
The channel is about Soviet Union, stop whataboutism.
@@Aksak012 It's not?
@@Aksak012 This may come as a shock to you, but channel is called The Cold War, not History of The Soviet Union, so covering what happened in the USA during the cold war is in the purview of this channel.
@@Bladezer3000 it is still whataboutism isnt it?
The Jim Crow laws were already had a video on them.
Still wasn't as bad as a internal passport.
Will you be looking into famous historical artists, like Paul Robeson and the like?
Tyranny at its worst
So you can't go see your relatives.
the soviet union is the country where there was the largest segregation in the world with a rigid caste system
At least they werent that racist, unlike a certain nation in the middle east
@@AlexVanChezlaw in the Soviet Union, only Russians were racist
That’s not true. The apartheid state of Israel is the world’s most segregated country
@@goranborjesson5593 what ? (That’s not true) , I think you are illiterate
@@AlexVanChezlaw and in Israel there is practically no racism and we are not obliged to give citizenship to everyone
There's still internal passports in Russia, NFKRZ talked about his everyday carry in one of his videos and mentioned it.
What about gated communities? Do I need a passport to enter them Beard?
what, you failed to make pizza delivery to one of those or something?
Whataboutism
No, and you're always free to go out of them and say what your job is and where you actually live, Beard.
The problem wasn't that you needed permission to enter some restricted private area - no country on earth just lets you enter someone else private property, no questions asked.
The problem was that you wheren't allowed to leave.
Something no western country has at all.
What was a yellow passport?
That was a work permit for prostitutes back in tsarist times.
It sounds familiar to the vaccine passport system they're suggesting.
Vaccine passports for interstate travel.
Ha... Good timing. Just as the world thinks about vaccine Passports and internal border controls between states and regions within countries due to coronavirus, like here in Australia. Good timing.
Totalitarian minds think alike
Could not agree more my friend exactly what I was thinking! The UK has announced a passport system for certain events, not good whatsoever.
Funny thing is my grandmother told us this would happen. She worked for the Canadian government after the war she told us that communists were entering and it was known that they planned to infiltrate the educational institutions and brainwash the masses.
Given how many people have died, vaccine passports make total sense. There's literally no good argument against them. If you refuse the vaccine, you're putting other people at risk.
@@fireinthesun2408 Why is it not good? This is a matter of public health and safety. The only people unable to get such a passport would be the unvaccinated. Being unvaccinated is a choice, so you have to accept the consequences.
The Propisscuh
Pape, Please!
I'll make some white smoke
I read this as "Pope, Please!", which is basically the moment where cardinals are trying to choose a new pope.
PAPERS!............. Your papers are not in order.................
Everyone who is not born in America need a ID, passport, visa and a corporate permission to stay. Only holidays and people who own enough money and don't need to work can stay
None of that applies to American citizens though - if you live in Texas and want to move to New York, no one will ask you for a passport.
In the Soviet Union, if you where a poor farmer, you pegally couldn't leave your village of birth.
Nothing like that exists anywhere in the west.
It was the same in other Commie countries as well. In Romania, my first id ( called "buletin") was like a small passport.
Do they have something similar in today’s Russia, or was it completely abolished?
Its the same as covid passports
but with those anyone can get them if they just get their dang vaccine, and you can actually move somewhere else if you want.
@@Game_Hero for now vacconrd wont be free forever
@@AB-ov1zm source, buddy?
Really?
They're the same thing?
In one system, you'll be forced to live your entire life in a poor rural village with no hope of getting a better life, because you aren't allowed a passport to let you leave. Purely because thats where you are more useful to the state.
In the other, a horrific virus is killing millions and you could be responsible for it killing more if you spread it further.
The passport is available to all and doesn't even cost any money. Nithing at all stops you from getting the passport and going wherever you want.
How the hell are these the same?
Covid passport and social credit
Russians still have an internal passport :/
Not yet.
@@fucktochik Ну что это?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_passport_of_Russia
И должен сказать что слово "yet" не 100% как "ещё" - "not yet" только возможно сказать о будеше
Is the russian word pasport a loanword from english?
No, from french "Passeport"
Just seeing what's in the future for the USA
They've already started doing it, in the form of offender registeries. All they need to do now is pass some law to make it even easier than it already is to wind up on one.
@@MrMontanaNights you mean the sex offender registry, way to out yourself my dude.
@@patrickward8983 while yes this guy has just self reported. I could see this system being expanded for other felonies but tbh id be more worried about renting out prisoners for labor.
With the exception of kiddie touchers..... No, not the President........ It would be difficult to impose this, since out here in the mountains we're sitting on racks of guns and piles of ammunition and never were serfs. We would chafe under the yoke and prove to be, like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
@@karlbrundage7472 what was trump doing with Epstein all that time ya know, makes you think
Do a Olympics one for ussr and usa
We used to have freedom of movement in Canada now we have two classes of citizens vaccinated and unvaccinated two classes of citizens thanks Trudeau
Aww, you poor snowflake.
@@anthonydolan3740 So you're in favour of vaccine passports?
@@Mullet-ZubazPants I'm against covid, and idiots that won't get vaccinnated.
@@anthonydolan3740 Idiots, I see. Since you avoided the question, I'll just assume that's a yes ... But let me ask you another question. Would you buy products from a company who was habitually fined for fraud, and is immune from liability? Because in the past 20 years Pfizer, AstraZenca, and Johnson & Johnson have paid billions in fines for fraud. DoJ cases. The largest was in 2009 when Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion for fraud. Do you think they're going to sweat it if you croak, when they're immune from liability with these Covid vaccines? They got a licence to print money right now, with no chance of them being sued
@@Mullet-ZubazPants Do you have any evidence the vaccines are unsafe?