I love this story/film… Saw it on PBS when I was in middle-school, and it made me consider alternate realities in an interesting way. I had forgotten it was written by Leguin. She’s an amazing author.
Partly correct. The current DVD is constructed from various sources, not just the 'found' tape. Viewers who had high quality recordings donated segments to complete the film as originally shown. And yes, the Beatles song was replaced due to copyright. Mad fools.
I just love the idea that reality could constantly be changing underneath our feet every night. And also the moral questions Jor Jor has to go through. Should you try to keep things as they are even if imperfect? Or would changing things to try and perfect make you a dictator, no matter how good your intentions are?
@@33Luger ah okay I see. I only read a little bit of the book but I know in the movie the alien working at the antique store calls him Jor Jor like mispronouncing his name.
Yeah I saw it back then too and was blown away. I distinctly remember that it had been playing a few times on WGBH during the week and after the Saturday night viewing of it we changed the channel to NBC and watched Gary Newman and the Tubeway Army perform Cars on Saturday Night Live with Elliot Gould as the host. I was trippin' on mescaline too!
Ther're still copies of this,around, though, they did a DVD release recently. It's from a videotape recording, yes, but it's decent enough. it was the original *film* that they didn't bother to save, assuming licensing issues (there's a Beatles recording, 'with a little help from my friends', used in it) would mean they wouldn't be able to show it after the original broadcast and stuff.
I actually happen to own a copy of this film, two years ago I stumbled across a box of VHS tapes that had movies and stuff recorded on them from back in the 80's as well as some other things that someone was throwing away and on one of those tapes is an original airing of this movie straight from PBS and you say that the original/master tapes of this film were erased? man that sucks, though this movie kind of messed with my head I really like it.
We forget the child in us to the tumult of the lives we make, only to return back to what we came. When the world was infinite and new brave and innocent.
I watched The Lathe of Heaven on PBS. I was part of a group and all of us were firmly in its grip. I can watch all sorts of stupid black and white TV episodes from the sixties, maybe earlier, but not this special presentation? It was an event watching it, not just any TV watching. What a shame.
one of the best fantasy fiction stories ever written, and this is the only version that did it justice (well, for the pre-cgi era time it was made in). the only attempt to remake it was made for TNT or USA, and it failed miserably with james caan as dr. haber. epic miscast, and the likely recipient of half the budget. i've always felt this story was due for a polished, thoughtful and mind-bending modern update. in the meantime, the compelling story of the '80 version goes a long way.
I'd heard bad things about the remake, but eventually had to watch it, it was astonishingly bad, talented actors, but the director was terrible, and why they decided to rewrite so much, why they thought they knew better than LeGuin, how to tell her story is beyond me. also they tried to put sex in it all over the place which was woefully misguided. it's only value is to make me appreciate the original even more than I already do, it's my favourite film.
If you enjoyed the book, this was a fine adaptation that stuck close to the source material. Honestly though, I would love to see a new adaptation. The book already reads like a movie with quick pacing, action, a little romance and a well-fitted climax. Modern special effects would really do this book justice.
@@stuartbear922 "Hardy har har!" (Ralph Cramden sarcasm laugh) But seriously, you had me at "....a very good remake. Came out last year." For 1/100 of a second my heart leapt with joy. And then sh-t got all "I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart!" Now word on the street is they got a bear named Stuart, #992, locked away in an NSI lab on the same Army base the NY Times revealed as being the storage and research facility for recovered spacecraft of extra-solar origin, and they gots all kinds of wired and tubes stuck in him, making dat formerly "It's OK to play with the Taoist Lathe of (comedy) Heaven" joker bear dreamin' all kinds of crazy sh-t into existence according to the caprice of the lead researcher. Dat fool's got a penchant for the finer things, can you dig it? Latest word from my friend's cousin's girlfriend's dad, a staff Sgt. MP in charge of securing that sh-t for the man, is that Mr. Superfreak Lead Scientist has dat bear dreaming up every damn thing from a young Marilyn Monroe AND that chick from Untamed Youth Mammy Van Door-Hen or something but, like, hyper-intellectual versions, mountains of 07% cocaine like his homes was Sherlock Holmes, a cherry 1993 Subaru Impreza, in white w/#7 racing tags and a wicked black stripe runnin' down the middle, 1st year they made 'em, but like an STI WRX version w/all-modern internals, functional blower, fuzzy dice and bongos in the back, a new lab straight out of Saturday Night Fever (dat flick with the Scientologist guy who played Fonzi in Grease), the 1984 lineup of Van Halen playing their Women and Children First joint non-stop with breaks to do lines with the science guy, a functional hot tub time machine and all manner of whack-ass mad scientist shit to, um, enhance the NIS' research in a Real Genius meets Weird Science kind of way + the mountains of cocaine, disco ball and all the other sh-t. Oh, and he made him dream that reality within the lab is rendered like the animation from Gravity Falls, the episode in which Mabel doses on that crazy banned-in-the-USA candy-powder and trips balls. So yeah, business as usual at d NIS, just way cooler now that they tappin' d power of StuartBear992. They keeping dat bear dosed but word from my other friend's GF's mom's ex-husband's former boss who did IT work for da' entire base is dat Mr. Bear came close to dreaming his way to freedom more than once and was only secured thanks to those mountains of cocaine I waz talkin' 'bout b4. Cocaine bears dreaming sh-t into existence: can you dig it? D-amn man, and I would've settled for a contemporary/high-quality adaptation of The Lathe of Heaven.
By invite only to an engineering conference held inside MIT's Electrical Engineering Dept. on Vassar Street of Cambridge, MA. a Dr. Scott Chubb giving me a lecture on Feynman's theories so I said ":If Feynman is plausible a nuclear bomb is a time machine and if anyone ever inquired to do so they would be labeled "dangerous" and thrown in padded cell" so Dr. Scott Chubb responded "mystics claim "dreams and nightmares are interference patterns between parallel universes" ever since Ursula K. Le Guin's "Lathe of Heaven"".
One of the funniest things about the book, to me, is that a couple of years ago, they finally did build the "funicular" between old OHSU and their new campus by the river, just as LeGuin predicted, and she is sooooo not the sort of SF writer who writes predictions that are expected to come true!
I totally agree with you. But the film was indeed destroyed. PBS station engineers erased the masters after rights issues made them believe - mistakenly - that the film wouldn't be seen again. "The Fools, the mad fools."
trivial facts: the original master copy had so many copyrights attached, that WNET destroyed the master thinking they could never afford updating of all the copyrights. a 2" video was found in the WNET basement, and remastered for dvd release. there was one distinct change. when george orr plays 'a little help from my friends' on an old record player, it is no longer the version by the beattles (the copyright issue rearing its ugly head), and is instead an obscure cover version of the song.
The book is much better just for the reason that it leaves a great space for contemplation and imagination. im still wondering why didn't someone like Kubrick didn't show interest on this book, the movie is too cybernetic and less psico-creepy; the book is much deeper.
They destroyed the negative of the film? Are you sure? I had heard PBS was responsible for the destruction over copyright worries that it'd never be able to be rebroadcast due to the Beatles' song. And the current DVD is made of different copies, donated from viewers. If the negs were destroyed, that would mean they'd have the original cine transfers tapes since this was transferred from film to videotape. It was never intended for theatrical release, so transfer was always part of the plan.
As I understand it, PBS foolishly erased the master tapes at the studio for reuse of the expensive tapes. BBC also, over the years erased master tapes of original productions as standard procedure to reuse tapes. Simply unbelievable.
I really wish someone would upload the 2002 remake version of this movie. I liked that movie much better. Generations X and Y loved the 2002 version as a cult classic while Baby Boomers loved the 1980s version better. I like how they updated the movie and made it more modern and used famous Hollywood actors like Lukas Haas and Lisa Bonet in the remake. Both versions are good but the 2002 version to me and my generation is so much better! We need someone to upload it in English the ordinal language of both movie versions.
i hate this creepy freaky movie. it's so old and dumb. the book gave me nightmares. if you want to read a book, read the moon is a harsh mistress. Now that's a book that will KILL you!!
I love this story/film… Saw it on PBS when I was in middle-school, and it made me consider alternate realities in an interesting way. I had forgotten it was written by Leguin. She’s an amazing author.
Love the trippy music!
I remember when this first came on pbs. I loved this movie so much I still do.
one of my all time favourite films, very true to the book, and excellent.
Partly correct. The current DVD is constructed from various sources, not just the 'found' tape. Viewers who had high quality recordings donated segments to complete the film as originally shown. And yes, the Beatles song was replaced due to copyright. Mad fools.
Incredible movie
I love an authentic Synth soundtrack, modern approximations less so.
I just love the idea that reality could constantly be changing underneath our feet every night. And also the moral questions Jor Jor has to go through. Should you try to keep things as they are even if imperfect? Or would changing things to try and perfect make you a dictator, no matter how good your intentions are?
George Orr
@@MrBojangles788 Jor Jor, a name from Barsoom is a little joke LeGuin made in her novel.
@@33Luger ah okay I see. I only read a little bit of the book but I know in the movie the alien working at the antique store calls him Jor Jor like mispronouncing his name.
Yeah I saw it back then too and was blown away.
I distinctly remember that it had been playing a few times on WGBH during the week and after the Saturday night viewing of it we changed the channel to NBC and watched Gary Newman and the Tubeway Army perform Cars on Saturday Night Live with Elliot Gould as the host.
I was trippin' on mescaline too!
Ther're still copies of this,around, though, they did a DVD release recently. It's from a videotape recording, yes, but it's decent enough.
it was the original *film* that they didn't bother to save, assuming licensing issues (there's a Beatles recording, 'with a little help from my friends', used in it) would mean they wouldn't be able to show it after the original broadcast and stuff.
I actually happen to own a copy of this film, two years ago I stumbled across a box of VHS tapes that had movies and stuff recorded on them from back in the 80's as well as some other things that someone was throwing away and on one of those tapes is an original airing of this movie straight from PBS and you say that the original/master tapes of this film were erased? man that sucks, though this movie kind of messed with my head I really like it.
We forget the child in us to the tumult of the lives we make, only to return back to what we came. When the world was infinite and new brave and innocent.
I watched The Lathe of Heaven on PBS. I was part of a group and all of us were firmly in its grip. I can watch all sorts of stupid black and white TV episodes from the sixties, maybe earlier, but not this special presentation? It was an event watching it, not just any TV watching. What a shame.
one of the best fantasy fiction stories ever written, and this is the only version that did it justice (well, for the pre-cgi era time it was made in). the only attempt to remake it was made for TNT or USA, and it failed miserably with james caan as dr. haber. epic miscast, and the likely recipient of half the budget. i've always felt this story was due for a polished, thoughtful and mind-bending modern update. in the meantime, the compelling story of the '80 version goes a long way.
Thanks for the useful information concerning The Lathe of Heaven adaptations.
I'd heard bad things about the remake, but eventually had to watch it, it was astonishingly bad, talented actors, but the director was terrible, and why they decided to rewrite so much, why they thought they knew better than LeGuin, how to tell her story is beyond me. also they tried to put sex in it all over the place which was woefully misguided. it's only value is to make me appreciate the original even more than I already do, it's my favourite film.
Ya, this is a clip, not a trailer.
If you enjoyed the book, this was a fine adaptation that stuck close to the source material.
Honestly though, I would love to see a new adaptation. The book already reads like a movie with quick pacing, action, a little romance and a well-fitted climax. Modern special effects would really do this book justice.
They did a new adaptation about 10 years ago with Lisa Bonet and James Caan. It sucked.
They actually made a very good remake. Came out last year. However my last effective dream changed reality and now it doesn't exist. Sorry.
@@stuartbear922 Well played Sir! (Golf clap)
@@stuartbear922 "Hardy har har!" (Ralph Cramden sarcasm laugh) But seriously, you had me at "....a very good remake. Came out last year." For 1/100 of a second my heart leapt with joy. And then sh-t got all "I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart!" Now word on the street is they got a bear named Stuart, #992, locked away in an NSI lab on the same Army base the NY Times revealed as being the storage and research facility for recovered spacecraft of extra-solar origin, and they gots all kinds of wired and tubes stuck in him, making dat formerly "It's OK to play with the Taoist Lathe of (comedy) Heaven" joker bear dreamin' all kinds of crazy sh-t into existence according to the caprice of the lead researcher. Dat fool's got a penchant for the finer things, can you dig it? Latest word from my friend's cousin's girlfriend's dad, a staff Sgt. MP in charge of securing that sh-t for the man, is that Mr. Superfreak Lead Scientist has dat bear dreaming up every damn thing from a young Marilyn Monroe AND that chick from Untamed Youth Mammy Van Door-Hen or something but, like, hyper-intellectual versions, mountains of 07% cocaine like his homes was Sherlock Holmes, a cherry 1993 Subaru Impreza, in white w/#7 racing tags and a wicked black stripe runnin' down the middle, 1st year they made 'em, but like an STI WRX version w/all-modern internals, functional blower, fuzzy dice and bongos in the back, a new lab straight out of Saturday Night Fever (dat flick with the Scientologist guy who played Fonzi in Grease), the 1984 lineup of Van Halen playing their Women and Children First joint non-stop with breaks to do lines with the science guy, a functional hot tub time machine and all manner of whack-ass mad scientist shit to, um, enhance the NIS' research in a Real Genius meets Weird Science kind of way + the mountains of cocaine, disco ball and all the other sh-t. Oh, and he made him dream that reality within the lab is rendered like the animation from Gravity Falls, the episode in which Mabel doses on that crazy banned-in-the-USA candy-powder and trips balls. So yeah, business as usual at d NIS, just way cooler now that they tappin' d power of StuartBear992. They keeping dat bear dosed but word from my other friend's GF's mom's ex-husband's former boss who did IT work for da' entire base is dat Mr. Bear came close to dreaming his way to freedom more than once and was only secured thanks to those mountains of cocaine I waz talkin' 'bout b4. Cocaine bears dreaming sh-t into existence: can you dig it? D-amn man, and I would've settled for a contemporary/high-quality adaptation of The Lathe of Heaven.
There’s PBS… not quite getting how trailers work.
By invite only to an engineering conference held inside MIT's Electrical Engineering Dept. on Vassar Street of Cambridge, MA. a Dr. Scott Chubb giving me a lecture on Feynman's theories so I said ":If Feynman is plausible a nuclear bomb is a time machine and if anyone ever inquired to do so they would be labeled "dangerous" and thrown in padded cell" so Dr. Scott Chubb responded "mystics claim "dreams and nightmares are interference patterns between parallel universes" ever since Ursula K. Le Guin's "Lathe of Heaven"".
One of the funniest things about the book, to me, is that a couple of years ago, they finally did build the "funicular" between old OHSU and their new campus by the river, just as LeGuin predicted, and she is sooooo not the sort of SF writer who writes predictions that are expected to come true!
I totally agree with you. But the film was indeed destroyed. PBS station engineers erased the masters after rights issues made them believe - mistakenly - that the film wouldn't be seen again. "The Fools, the mad fools."
trivial facts: the original master copy had so many copyrights attached, that WNET destroyed the master thinking they could never afford updating of all the copyrights. a 2" video was found in the WNET basement, and remastered for dvd release. there was one distinct change. when george orr plays 'a little help from my friends' on an old record player, it is no longer the version by the beattles (the copyright issue rearing its ugly head), and is instead an obscure cover version of the song.
Great Movie!
One of the scariest Sci-Fi movies I ever saw...SOOOO close to reality of the scariest SCI-FI movies I ever saw......soooooo close to reality...
I read the book and cant see how you could make it a movie.. but apparently they did a good job.
It certainly would not be a movie for general release.
This was an an amazing life changing movie, so you say it is lost? Worse than the loss of the moon landing tapes:((((
Saw this trailer right after watching Volgun's video about SCP-1237.
@JuanUmana Actually I like the movie better, maybe because I saw it before I read the book. Still love the book too.
What was the name of the PBS program that aired The Lathe of Heaven in 1980?
The book is much better just for the reason that it leaves a great space for contemplation and imagination. im still wondering why didn't someone like Kubrick didn't show interest on this book, the movie is too cybernetic and less psico-creepy; the book is much deeper.
Perhaps because Kubrick already did his own cerebral sci fi film in 2001 a space odyssey and didn't want to go to the well again.
If you liked TLOH, read All Our Wrong Todays by Elan Mastai. It's about time travel, but has similarities to Lathe.
The Jacket with Adrian Brody and Jennifer Jason Leigh has a similar vibe, though it's a little less creepy.
a & e did a version that had james caan as the psychiatrist,etc...came out in the late90's I think.
They destroyed the negative of the film? Are you sure? I had heard PBS was responsible for the destruction over copyright worries that it'd never be able to be rebroadcast due to the Beatles' song. And the current DVD is made of different copies, donated from viewers. If the negs were destroyed, that would mean they'd have the original cine transfers tapes since this was transferred from film to videotape. It was never intended for theatrical release, so transfer was always part of the plan.
remake this movie!
As I understand it, PBS foolishly erased the master tapes at the studio for reuse of the expensive tapes. BBC also, over the years erased master tapes of original productions as standard procedure to reuse tapes. Simply unbelievable.
They were most likely legally required to do so if there was a case of IP irregularity.
Ah, so I never got to see it again, specifically because of the part I liked best. The bitter irony...
just search the web for a copy... you will find one ; )
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I really wish someone would upload the 2002 remake version of this movie. I liked that movie much better. Generations X and Y loved the 2002 version as a cult classic while Baby Boomers loved the 1980s version better. I like how they updated the movie and made it more modern and used famous Hollywood actors like Lukas Haas and Lisa Bonet in the remake. Both versions are good but the 2002 version to me and my generation is so much better! We need someone to upload it in English the ordinal language of both movie versions.
i hate this creepy freaky movie. it's so old and dumb. the book gave me nightmares. if you want to read a book, read the moon is a harsh mistress. Now that's a book that will KILL you!!
You will always have Star Wars.